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:00:00. > :00:13.warm with nine to 15 Celsius. Hello, I'm Nik Gowing, with BBC

:00:14. > :00:17.World News. Our top stories: Death in the desert - survivor tells us of

:00:18. > :00:23.the migrant convoy which broke down in the Sahara desert, leaving more

:00:24. > :00:28.than 90 dead. After a day, my second sister died. On the third day, my

:00:29. > :00:31.mother died. I buried all of them myself.

:00:32. > :00:35.Doubts over the Syria peace conference - the international envoy

:00:36. > :00:41.tells the BBC it is not certain that it will take place let this month.

:00:42. > :00:50.We are making progress. Whether that will be enough for the conference to

:00:51. > :00:53.take place soon is not certain. The fugitive intelligence contract

:00:54. > :00:58.Edward Snowden offers to travel from Russia to Berlin to help investigate

:00:59. > :01:02.allegations that the US armed Angela Merkel's mobile phone.

:01:03. > :01:05.And obesity becomes a worldwide epidemic. The authorities are

:01:06. > :01:24.increasingly looking at taxing sugary drinks.

:01:25. > :01:30.Three days of national mourning have been declared in Niger after the

:01:31. > :01:34.bodies of more than 90 migrants were found in the Sahara earlier this

:01:35. > :01:38.week. The group, mainly women and children, died of thirst when the

:01:39. > :01:43.convoy they were travelling in broke down in the desert. But against the

:01:44. > :01:50.odds, some migrants survived. Our reporter in Dakar in Senegal has

:01:51. > :01:53.been hearing their stories. The local authorities and rescue

:01:54. > :01:59.workers are still trying to pin down exactly what happened in the past

:02:00. > :02:05.few weeks for these migrants, who went across the Sahara desert to

:02:06. > :02:11.reach Nigeria. We have the account of one of the survivors. She is 18

:02:12. > :02:18.age, a 14-year-old -- Shias a teenager. TRANSLATION: We waited in

:02:19. > :02:24.the desert. No food, no water, before we decided to start walking.

:02:25. > :02:31.Some vehicles passed us. We tried to stop them, but no one would stop. We

:02:32. > :02:34.sat under a tree, and that was when one of my sisters died. We buried

:02:35. > :02:40.her there. Then we continued walking, and after a day, my second

:02:41. > :02:49.sister died. On the third day, my mother died. I buried all of them

:02:50. > :02:53.myself. I am living with my aunt. I heard that only myself and a little

:02:54. > :03:05.girl and 18 men survived the journey out of more than 100 of us. So

:03:06. > :03:13.horrific account from a 14-year-old who survived this ordeal in the

:03:14. > :03:22.Sahara desert. They could not find any water. We were told she has now

:03:23. > :03:27.been sent back home to her village in the south of Niger.

:03:28. > :03:33.What about what this reveals about the scale of this migrant path

:03:34. > :03:39.across various parts of the desert, the number of people taking the risk

:03:40. > :03:49.who do get through, or others who don't? We are told by those who took

:03:50. > :03:54.part in the rescue operation that they had never seen anything on this

:03:55. > :04:02.scale, especially the fact that more than half of the 92 people who were

:04:03. > :04:06.found dead were children. They said they do find dead bodies here and

:04:07. > :04:14.there sometimes, but they had never found that many. So clearly, this is

:04:15. > :04:17.a real tragedy. Hundreds of thousands go across the Sahara

:04:18. > :04:22.desert each year through northern Niger, either into Libya or Algeria,

:04:23. > :04:26.hoping to reach the North Africa and Coast and perhaps get on a boat

:04:27. > :04:34.across the Mediterranean Sea and then reach the gateway to Europe,

:04:35. > :04:38.hoping for a better life. Now to Syria. The UN and Arab

:04:39. > :04:42.League's special envoy to Syria has told the BBC that progress is being

:04:43. > :04:45.made towards a peace conference. But Lakhdar Brahimi says he's not

:04:46. > :04:49.certain whether the talks as Geneva two will take place as planned in

:04:50. > :04:57.just over three weeks. Lakhdar Brahimi has been on his first visit

:04:58. > :05:00.to Damascus in nearly a year. He met President Assad. The BBC's

:05:01. > :05:06.correspondent is also in Damascus. She asked him how successful his

:05:07. > :05:10.visit had been. We are making progress. Whether that will be

:05:11. > :05:25.enough for the conference to take place soon is not certain. But we

:05:26. > :05:29.are having meetings in Geneva to prepare. Meanwhile, a US official

:05:30. > :05:34.has confirmed to the BBC that Israel used its warplanes to attack a

:05:35. > :05:38.military base in the Syrian city of Latakia. The area is a stronghold of

:05:39. > :05:43.President Assad's Alawites community. It is believed the target

:05:44. > :05:45.was a consignment of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles being

:05:46. > :05:53.shipped to the militant Lebanese Shi'ite movement Hezbollah. So what

:05:54. > :05:57.is the view from Lebanon and Israel? Jim Muir in Beirut, what is known

:05:58. > :06:02.about events in Latakia? The Syrians are saying nothing. The Israelis, as

:06:03. > :06:07.always, are completely mute on their actions outside their borders. So

:06:08. > :06:13.nothing official. All we have is the word from American officials and

:06:14. > :06:17.some information circulating on Arabic satellite stations and some

:06:18. > :06:25.activist groups, indicating that there was some kind of strike near

:06:26. > :06:27.Latakia at a Syrian air base. The assumption is that anti-aircraft

:06:28. > :06:43.missiles, possibly on the way to Hezbollah, which was the target. It

:06:44. > :06:48.may have been an Israeli strike into Syria. Not on the same scale as the

:06:49. > :06:53.most spectacular one inmate, when the whole sky around Damascus was

:06:54. > :06:56.lit up by a massive explosion which shook the capital, which the Syrian

:06:57. > :07:03.regime had to acknowledge and threaten reprisal for, should it

:07:04. > :07:06.happen again. This time, it is not on that scale. It has gone

:07:07. > :07:11.completely unannounced by either side, which means the repercussions

:07:12. > :07:15.may be less unless there is something we don't know. Kevin

:07:16. > :07:24.Connelly injuries shall, anything from the Israeli government?

:07:25. > :07:29.Nothing. It is of course Israel's long-standing policy not to give any

:07:30. > :07:33.running commentary on specific operations. We do know that in

:07:34. > :07:41.general, Israel is comfortable with the idea that its capabilities to

:07:42. > :07:45.carry out these operations are clear to its enemies . and Israel also has

:07:46. > :07:49.what it calls a red line. It has said repeatedly that it will not

:07:50. > :07:56.allow the Assad regime in Damascus to transfer dangerous weaponry to

:07:57. > :08:01.Hezbollah, the Shia militia in southern Lebanon, which is the Assad

:08:02. > :08:08.regime's Allied and has the capacity to target cities in Israel. The

:08:09. > :08:16.speculation here is that the operation was designed with that

:08:17. > :08:20.goal in mind. But as Jim was saying, this all takes place in what I have

:08:21. > :08:25.heard described as a zone of deniability. It has become a strange

:08:26. > :08:29.sub bot of the Syrian war that Israel carries out these attacks

:08:30. > :08:32.without saying it has done so. And generally, Syria absorbed the

:08:33. > :08:37.attacks without saying that Israel has done so either so that it does

:08:38. > :08:41.not feel so obligated to respond, because Syria of course does not

:08:42. > :08:45.have the capacity while fighting a civil war to engage in any kind of

:08:46. > :08:52.confrontation with Israel. Jim, let me pick up on what we heard from

:08:53. > :08:56.Lakhdar Brahimi saying in Damascus. Mr Brahimi has been in Damascus for

:08:57. > :08:59.the last couple of days. He saw President Assad. What is your

:09:00. > :09:06.reading of his language to Lyse Doucet? He has confirmed a trend we

:09:07. > :09:16.have picked up on, which is that the Geneva talks, which were possibly

:09:17. > :09:24.set the 23rd of month, look likely to slide. It is not in Damascus that

:09:25. > :09:28.he will get a breakthrough on that front. The real problem is with the

:09:29. > :09:33.Syrian opposition, as he indicated. Even if they could assemble a

:09:34. > :09:36.delegation, how credible would it be and could it deliver in a situation

:09:37. > :09:41.where the bulk of the fighting forces on the ground say that

:09:42. > :09:45.anybody who goes to Geneva is a traitor, and they don't want to

:09:46. > :09:50.negotiate with the regime? It is a very tricky situation, and how you

:09:51. > :09:54.assemble a credible opposition delegation at this stage is very

:09:55. > :09:58.hard to see, especially when you have all these fundamentalist groups

:09:59. > :10:02.who do not believe in democracy, don't want to negotiate at all,

:10:03. > :10:08.apart from the mainstream ones, which also have reservations about

:10:09. > :10:12.Geneva. Now to Thailand, which has taken the

:10:13. > :10:15.first steps towards a political amnesty. It could pave the way for

:10:16. > :10:19.the former prime minister Paxson should know what to return from

:10:20. > :10:23.exile. He was deposed in a military coup seven years ago and charged

:10:24. > :10:27.with abuse of power. Critics fear that the amnesty will let him return

:10:28. > :10:31.to Thailand without serving a two-year jail sentence. Our reporter

:10:32. > :10:37.is in Bangkok. I asked him, what is the origin of this amnesty? They

:10:38. > :10:41.have been talking about this ever since the terrible events here in

:10:42. > :10:47.2010, when we saw more than 90 people killed in clashes between

:10:48. > :10:55.government troops and pro-president demonstrators. Ever since he was

:10:56. > :11:02.ousted by a coup in 2006, the idea of an amnesty is that a lot of

:11:03. > :11:06.ordinary street protest have spent time in jail and it would be helpful

:11:07. > :11:11.in the process of reconciliation. It started off as a modest ill that

:11:12. > :11:16.would only have affect did ordinary people, but was suddenly expanded

:11:17. > :11:23.two weeks ago to include anybody who was investigated by bodies set up

:11:24. > :11:27.after that coup in 2006. That would include the former president, the

:11:28. > :11:30.figure at the very heart of Thailand's divide. It would

:11:31. > :11:36.potentially invalidate the conviction against him in 2008 and

:11:37. > :11:40.would allow him to come back from five years in exile. But it is a

:11:41. > :11:45.whole different ball game, and has sparked off furious opposition from

:11:46. > :11:49.the main Democrat party, who are determined that he should not come

:11:50. > :11:52.back, and other groups as well. Many say a blanket amnesty simply

:11:53. > :11:57.whitewashes all the things that are happening, including some of Thaksin

:11:58. > :12:00.Shinawatra's supporters, who were killed. It is a controversial

:12:01. > :12:05.proposal. It has gone through Parliament. The next age is the

:12:06. > :12:10.Senate. They will start considering it extra week. It is possible that

:12:11. > :12:13.this bill could go through in the next few weeks.

:12:14. > :12:16.Now to Germany, where a member of the Bundestag, the German

:12:17. > :12:19.parliament, says the fugitive intelligence contract Edward Snowden

:12:20. > :12:24.is willing to help investigations into claims that Angela Merkel's

:12:25. > :12:30.mobile phone was monitored by US intelligence. The Green Party MP is

:12:31. > :12:34.at this moment giving a briefing in Berlin. He is speaking after

:12:35. > :12:40.travelling to Russia to meet Mr Snowden. He says the former NSA

:12:41. > :12:45.contract is even willing to travel to Germany, at his lawyer has told

:12:46. > :12:49.the BBC Mr Snowden would not be able to leave Russia because it would be

:12:50. > :12:58.a breach of his temporary political asylum status. Let's go to the

:12:59. > :13:07.BBC's Steve Evans. What is the Green MP saying? Some interesting things.

:13:08. > :13:12.He says Mr Snowden told him he would come to Germany, knowing that he

:13:13. > :13:17.could not go back to Russia, if he was sure that it was not then going

:13:18. > :13:23.to be extradited to the US. He also said Mr Snowden told him he would

:13:24. > :13:29.like to talk to the US Congress, clearly, that was not possible. So

:13:30. > :13:33.we are seeing an attempt by Mr Snowden to look at life beyond

:13:34. > :13:42.Russia, should his visa not be extended in June, and also to start

:13:43. > :13:48.becoming more public in his stance and start saying to people, that is

:13:49. > :13:55.what I did and I am prepared to talk about it. Do we know where he met Mr

:13:56. > :14:01.Snowden in Russia? We don't know. Mr Stroebele has described a long and

:14:02. > :14:06.tortuous journey. I don't mean days. He said he had had his bags

:14:07. > :14:13.packed for some months, waiting for permission to go. Then it suddenly

:14:14. > :14:18.came, and he stayed in a hotel in Moscow and then was taken in a car

:14:19. > :14:22.for some distance. It is not clear from listening to the German MP

:14:23. > :14:28.whether that meant a trip out of Moscow. It must be in the environs

:14:29. > :14:33.of Moscow, because we are talking about a few hours in a car. But

:14:34. > :14:40.whether it is the centre of Moscow is not clear. Finally, I have just

:14:41. > :14:48.received sight of the English letter from Mr Snowden, dated yesterday, in

:14:49. > :14:53.which he makes an appeal and says his position is clear about what he

:14:54. > :15:03.has done and what he would like to do next. That is right. He seems to

:15:04. > :15:10.be saying that the allegations that he has spilled treasonous secrets

:15:11. > :15:15.are not valid. He stands by his position as what you might call a

:15:16. > :15:26.noble whistle-blower, in that traditional reaching trust because

:15:27. > :15:32.of a greater good. Had been still to come: We preview the battle of the

:15:33. > :15:41.African giants of club football at Orlando Pirates prepare to take on

:15:42. > :15:45.the Egyptian side. What is the point of going to church

:15:46. > :15:49.if you don't believe in God? There is a new nonreligious church in

:15:50. > :15:58.Britain that thinks there is one. Aiming to attract former believers

:15:59. > :16:02.and no, sir tal Joint Intelligence Committee believers.

:16:03. > :16:06.-- nostalgic believers. They are meeting in a church and

:16:07. > :16:09.they have a choir. They also have moments of quiet

:16:10. > :16:14.contemplation. They even have a collection.

:16:15. > :16:26.The one thing they don't have, however is any reference to God or

:16:27. > :16:33.religion. Sanderson Jones is the cofounder of

:16:34. > :16:38.the Sunday Assembly Movement, so no surprise, the gatherings are

:16:39. > :16:41.peppered with humour, he is a comedian.

:16:42. > :16:44.Just because you are doing something serious, does not mean you can't

:16:45. > :16:51.have fun. We are changing the world. That is a big claim, changing the

:16:52. > :16:55.world, how? We started off with zero assemblyis in January, there are 35,

:16:56. > :17:01.there may be 40 by the end of the year. Imagine what could happen if

:17:02. > :17:05.30% of the people in Britain who are nonreligious and don't have a

:17:06. > :17:19.church, what happens if they get inspired to not only help each other

:17:20. > :17:25.but to help in the community? Do you class yourself as an atheist, a

:17:26. > :17:29.humanist or some other label? I don't think labels are helpful. We

:17:30. > :17:34.celebrate one thing we have in common, that is that we are alive.

:17:35. > :17:38.So, he is clear about why he is here but what about his first

:17:39. > :17:43.congregation. I think it would be nice to harness

:17:44. > :17:48.the goodness in people, without using religion to do it. I am hoping

:17:49. > :17:53.to find out what this is about and feel a bit of love.

:17:54. > :17:56.Now you may be asking, a congregation who do not believe in

:17:57. > :18:02.God, a service without religious content, so why choose a church for

:18:03. > :18:07.their inaugural meeting? Well, apparently this was the only space

:18:08. > :18:11.available tonight. However, they say, it is not the building that

:18:12. > :18:20.matters, more what goes on inside of it.

:18:21. > :18:27.You are with BBC World News with me, Nik Going. The death in the desert.

:18:28. > :18:33.A teenage girl tells of the convoy that broke down in the Sahara

:18:34. > :18:41.desert, leaving more than 90 dead. There are doubts that a Syrian peace

:18:42. > :18:45.summit will take part later this month.

:18:46. > :18:50.Now to the ba thele of the African football giants, Orlando Pirates has

:18:51. > :18:58.once again reached the African Champions League final. Facing the

:18:59. > :19:05.legendary seven-time winners, the Egyptian side. Well Orlando Pirates

:19:06. > :19:09.have been visited by Milton Nkosi. He found there is only one story in

:19:10. > :19:13.town. Orlando Pirates, the players, they

:19:14. > :19:20.are put through their paces ahead of what is likely to be the biggest

:19:21. > :19:24.game of the careers for them. It is the African Champions League final.

:19:25. > :19:30.Their coach, a former goalkeeper for the national team. Told the BBC that

:19:31. > :19:34.the game is not just about the Orlando Pirates.

:19:35. > :19:38.It is nice for us to meet the Egyptians and others, it is the

:19:39. > :19:44.opportunity it has given us from the first go. We say to the players to

:19:45. > :19:48.measure ourselves, to see where we are against the so-called giants of

:19:49. > :19:52.African football. We can match them step for step. It is great that the

:19:53. > :19:58.players are starting to believe that there is a confidence in the squad.

:19:59. > :20:04.The Buccaneers have once won the title in 1995. For that, they end

:20:05. > :20:19.this championship star on the badge. Now they are chasing the second one.

:20:20. > :20:27.Seven-time African champions, who will it be? Africa's renowned sports

:20:28. > :20:31.caster, says that the stakes could not be higher.

:20:32. > :20:35.The Egyptians are coming here limping, with blue eyes, how do you

:20:36. > :20:40.take advantage of a person that is coming through as injured as they

:20:41. > :20:44.are? They want to prove a point. They have a reputation. They have

:20:45. > :20:50.the stars lined up to say that they have done this seven times.

:20:51. > :20:54.So, as you can see, the Buccaneers' training session is in full swing.

:20:55. > :20:58.They are going for gold, but what do South Africans on the streets think

:20:59. > :21:02.about the importance of this game? This particular game, it is not

:21:03. > :21:12.representing just the Pirates but South Africa as a hole. The

:21:13. > :21:19.Egyptians are strong but we know that the Pirates can win. If they

:21:20. > :21:24.lose, I don't know. The people have nailed their colours

:21:25. > :21:29.to the mast for the sea robbers but remember, the second leg of this

:21:30. > :21:34.final, will be played in Egypt, where the Red Defendant yells will

:21:35. > :21:38.be just as confidence. -- confident.

:21:39. > :21:42.Now more people in the world are looking like this, as the waist

:21:43. > :21:46.lines continue to expand. The world's population is getting larger

:21:47. > :21:53.and larger because of what people eat and drink. One option is to tax

:21:54. > :21:59.these, the fizzy drinks, those packed full of sugar or sweeteners.

:22:00. > :22:05.Here in Britain, let me give you the data, around one in four of the

:22:06. > :22:10.population is obese. The British Medical Journal says that a 20% tax

:22:11. > :22:17.would reduce sales of fizzy drinks by 15%. Cutting the number of obese

:22:18. > :22:22.and overweight adults by about 285,000.

:22:23. > :22:28.Mexico, has already approved a tax of 8 cents per litre on fizzy

:22:29. > :22:34.drinks. In New York, the Mayor, Michael bloomburg opposed a tax but

:22:35. > :22:39.the Supreme Court declared it illegal as it did not apply to all

:22:40. > :22:45.food establishments in the city. We asked some of you on Facebook in a

:22:46. > :22:50.tax like this could work in in your country? It has been said that it

:22:51. > :23:03.has been done in Portugal and seems to work.

:23:04. > :23:10.Well, let's hear what the doctors say. Dr Mike Rayner is the director

:23:11. > :23:13.of British Heart Foundation Health Promotion Research Group. He joins

:23:14. > :23:17.me from Oxford. Dr Mike Rayner, are you telling me that spending

:23:18. > :23:22.patterns, raising money and raising taxes will stop people drinking

:23:23. > :23:27.fizzy drinks or limit the consumption or not? Yes, basically,

:23:28. > :23:32.we are saying that, yes. Do you have evidence of that? There

:23:33. > :23:36.is lots of evidence. Evidence done in canteens, with vending machines,

:23:37. > :23:41.showing if you raise the price of food in those settings then people

:23:42. > :23:45.cut down on the food that you raise the prices on. There are studies

:23:46. > :23:49.from experiments done in Ireland, around the world, showing if you

:23:50. > :23:54.raise the price of foods through taxation, you can affect

:23:55. > :23:59.consumption, the greatest example is the Danish fat tax. And a study, one

:24:00. > :24:02.of which we have published today, bringing together a range of

:24:03. > :24:06.evidence from a range of sources to come to conclusions about what would

:24:07. > :24:11.happen if you raise the price of things like fizzy drinks.

:24:12. > :24:15.So, what you are saying, Dr Mike Rayner, that for medical conditions,

:24:16. > :24:21.pricing is critical, whether it is for fizzy drinks or three for two,

:24:22. > :24:25.in other words, pricing affects what people buy? Of course, yes. Ask

:24:26. > :24:30.anyone in the street that question, if they are affected by the price of

:24:31. > :24:35.booze, they will say yes. What about the implications of

:24:36. > :24:40.285,000 that could be saved from becoming obese. Is there that level

:24:41. > :24:46.of cause and effect between pricing and increasing obesity? Yes, when

:24:47. > :24:50.people have looked at the modelling studies and examined what happened

:24:51. > :24:54.in real life, this have come to the conclusion that the studies do were

:24:55. > :25:00.dekt what happens in real life. So the studies done around the Danish

:25:01. > :25:06.saturated fat tax predicted we could get about a 4% drop in saturated fat

:25:07. > :25:12.in Denmark and indeed they have that drop in saturated fat in Denmark.

:25:13. > :25:17.Finally, Dr Mike Rayner, how serious is this now? Is it really an

:25:18. > :25:21.epidemic? One in four in Britain, we are seeing it everywhere in the

:25:22. > :25:26.world? Yes, in Mexico it is really bad. In lots of developing countries

:25:27. > :25:30.obesity is rocketing. We have to do something about this. In the study

:25:31. > :25:34.we have published today, we are saying that this is one of the

:25:35. > :25:40.things you can do to prevent obesity. It is not the panacea. It

:25:41. > :25:46.will be one of all of the things we must do to combat the epidemic.

:25:47. > :25:48.Dr Mike Rayner from the British Heart Foundation Health Promotion

:25:49. > :25:50.Research Group, thank you very much for joining me on BBC World News

:25:51. > :25:53.from Oxford. Thank you.

:25:54. > :25:57.Finally, let me show you pictures from the US where ten children and a

:25:58. > :26:03.school bus driver were pulled to safety. That is after their school

:26:04. > :26:07.bus toppled into the water and landed half submerged on its side.

:26:08. > :26:12.The accident happened outside of a small town in Kansas. The children

:26:13. > :26:18.aged 13 and younger, clambered through a roof hatch to await for

:26:19. > :26:20.rescue it is unclear how the accident happened.

:26:21. > :26:24.And the main news: Three days of national mourning have been declared

:26:25. > :26:31.in West Africa, after the bodies of more than 9 o -- 90 migrants were

:26:32. > :26:35.found this week in the Sahara. The group died of thirs when the convoy

:26:36. > :26:46.that they were travelling in broke down in the desert. -- tlirs. Niger

:26:47. > :26:50.is a major migrant route between sub-Sahara and Africa and Europe.

:26:51. > :26:55.Also Lakhdar Brahimi has been in Damascus, he says that he doesn't

:26:56. > :27:00.see much chance of a national conference on Syria later this

:27:01. > :27:03.month. Thank you very much goodbye.