27/01/2012

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:00:03. > :00:09.Dominic Heale, and me, Anne Davies. Our top story tonight, a workplace

:00:10. > :00:17.parking blow for Boots workers. Staff are told they'll have to pay

:00:17. > :00:20.the lion's share of the new levy. Free because jail breached his

:00:20. > :00:29.human's rights, but his father says he should If you can't do the time,

:00:29. > :00:37.don't do the crime. It is as simple as that.

:00:37. > :00:43.Should a council pension fund be investing in tobacco?

:00:43. > :00:49.And how boy Max what his Russian orphanage for a top private school

:00:49. > :00:59.in Derbyshire. -- Maksim. I am really enjoying the school.

:00:59. > :01:00.

:01:00. > :01:03.Everything is great and I want to Good evening and welcome to

:01:03. > :01:07.Friday's programme. One of the biggest employers in Nottingham has

:01:07. > :01:12.said it'll be passing on most of the cost of the workplace parking

:01:12. > :01:18.tax to its staff. A majority of the workforce at Boots will be paying

:01:18. > :01:22.�180 to park at work for a year from April. The council says it's a

:01:22. > :01:32.relatively small amount to help the city grow and prosper. Mike

:01:32. > :01:33.

:01:33. > :01:38.O'Sullivan is at Boots and can tell us more.

:01:38. > :01:42.Big firm Boots, big decision on the Workplace Parking Levy. Passing on

:01:42. > :01:46.most of the cost on to its employees. The sort of decision

:01:46. > :01:50.many firms and organisations are having to wrestle within Nottingham

:01:50. > :01:55.as the Workplace Parking Levy looms large.

:01:55. > :01:59.Commuting by car. Boots in Nottingham faced a big bill. 3,000

:01:59. > :02:03.spaces liable for the Workplace Parking Levy. Now the company has

:02:03. > :02:09.decided that most of that cost will be passed on to the workforce.

:02:09. > :02:13.is unfair for the company to pass that on to employees. I can

:02:13. > :02:16.understand the company's objection to paying it, given the location of

:02:16. > :02:25.where they are, but far better to pay that than the individuals

:02:25. > :02:30.themselves. The tax is �288 plus VAT. It is for businesses and

:02:30. > :02:35.organisations with 11 or more liable places from April. Paying at

:02:35. > :02:42.Boots will be linked to salary and most of well-paid �180 the year

:02:42. > :02:47.including VAT. -- most staff will pay. But some will pay �80. The

:02:47. > :02:57.company is topping it up with a �200,000 subsidy. In a statement,

:02:57. > :03:06.

:03:06. > :03:12.Many commuters will be finding out sooner whether or not they have got

:03:12. > :03:16.to pay this new tax. I asked people in Nottingham who should pay. The

:03:16. > :03:20.employer or the employee. I don't think it should be passed on to the

:03:20. > :03:25.staff because wages are a bit like that at the moment anyway. It is a

:03:25. > :03:30.lot of money. I think the employers should pay. But I agree with it

:03:30. > :03:35.because I think we need the trams. The employers should pay. But I

:03:35. > :03:40.don't think anybody should pay. council or the Government should be

:03:40. > :03:44.paying. The levy will be used by the council to help pay for two new

:03:44. > :03:48.tramlines and other public transport improvements, including a

:03:49. > :03:52.revamp of the city's railway station. The kind of renounce Boots

:03:52. > :03:56.employees are being asked to pay our small amounts which help us

:03:56. > :04:03.grow as a city and prosper long into the future. The city council

:04:03. > :04:07.says it has been advising Boots, which still opposes the levy.

:04:07. > :04:12.Boots has been one of the biggest critics of the Workplace Parking

:04:12. > :04:19.Levy, joining the business campaign that fail to stop it. But the

:04:19. > :04:23.council would say, get over it and let's concentrate on it. It is a

:04:23. > :04:26.law. The arrangement is here for the first year and they are

:04:26. > :04:30.continuing to look at the long term approach to paying the tax,

:04:30. > :04:33.including parking pay and display metres. Thank you.

:04:33. > :04:36.The father of a burglar from Nottingham who was convicted of

:04:36. > :04:39.assault says he should be sent to prison. Last May, 34-year-old Wayne

:04:39. > :04:43.Bishop, from Clifton, was released early from an eight-month jail

:04:43. > :04:49.sentence so he could look after his children. He said jail had breached

:04:49. > :04:53.his human rights as a parent. But yesterday he and his brother were

:04:53. > :04:57.found guilty of assaulting a man in Broxtowe. Angelina Socci has been

:04:57. > :05:05.speaking to their father, Phillip Wheelhouse. She started off by

:05:05. > :05:14.asking for his reaction to yesterday's verdict.

:05:14. > :05:20.Well, it is wrong, what they have done. More Wayne because he got off

:05:20. > :05:24.because he used the young rights for his children. And my belief is

:05:24. > :05:30.that if Wayne had been inside, it wouldn't have happened. The chap I

:05:30. > :05:34.wouldn't have got hurt. So to me, he deserves to go back from where

:05:34. > :05:41.Bobby came from. And you mentioned he was released from prison early.

:05:41. > :05:46.He had been released after a month. He need to care for his children.

:05:46. > :05:51.What was or -- your reaction when that happened? Well, if Poppy were

:05:51. > :05:57.that concerned about his children, you wouldn't have got into trouble.

:05:57. > :06:02.-- if he were concerned. The children have got a mother that can

:06:02. > :06:05.care for them as well. But at the end of the day, he is your son.

:06:05. > :06:10.Should you have taken more responsibility for the way he has

:06:10. > :06:16.turned out? I could be saying the same about my parents. It was their

:06:16. > :06:20.responsibility when I got into trouble. He had a good upbringing

:06:21. > :06:29.when he was a child. How do you feel when you see both your sons in

:06:29. > :06:36.the news for what they have done? If it is bad. What they have done.

:06:36. > :06:39.They have got to accept the punishment. Both Wayne and his

:06:39. > :06:46.brother are due to be sentenced at a later date.

:06:46. > :06:51.Still to come on the programme, in the weather, is winter on the way?

:06:51. > :06:55.You could say that. We have quite a lot of wintry showers around

:06:55. > :07:01.falling as snow of a higher ground, and when they die away, we have a

:07:01. > :07:07.weather warning out for ice. Not to talk about and I will be back later

:07:07. > :07:09.on. -- locks to talk about. Next, is it right to invest in the

:07:09. > :07:12.tobacco industry? A leading doctor is calling on Nottinghamshire

:07:12. > :07:16.County Council to withdraw millions of pounds that its pension fund

:07:16. > :07:18.puts into cigarette firms. Dr Greg Place says it's a conflict of

:07:18. > :07:24.interest for the authority to support the cigarette industry

:07:24. > :07:34.while promoting public health. Rob Sissons, our health correspondent,

:07:34. > :07:35.

:07:35. > :07:39.has this report. Smoking kills. But cigarettes make

:07:39. > :07:44.money and why pension funds invest. But is it right that local

:07:44. > :07:48.government schemes put money into Debacker? This GP in

:07:48. > :07:54.Nottinghamshire sees the impact of smoking on patients. It is in a

:07:54. > :07:58.day's work. He says the investments sent out mixed messages. The County

:07:58. > :08:01.Council will be involved in managing public health and 2013 and

:08:01. > :08:06.they cannot do that and says smoking is bad for you and, at the

:08:06. > :08:11.same time, invest in tobacco. pension trustees would not tell --

:08:11. > :08:18.dream of telling you how to do your job. What gives you the right to

:08:18. > :08:28.tell them how to invest? It is incompatible with their role as

:08:28. > :08:30.

:08:31. > :08:37.politicians. Over 100 employers are -- have investments into punching -

:08:37. > :08:40.- pension funds on their behalf. Other schemes invest in tobacco.

:08:40. > :08:45.Nottinghamshire has �36 million of shares. In Derby, the figure is

:08:45. > :08:51.even higher at �48 million. In Nottingham, I asked people what

:08:51. > :08:58.they thought. I don't see a problem. In light of what they say about

:08:58. > :09:03.smoking, it seems a bit crazy. seems wrong that they are investing.

:09:03. > :09:08.It is a bit unethical. The County Council said it did not want to put

:09:08. > :09:13.anybody up for interview but said investments are separate from

:09:13. > :09:17.pension activities. They say it only represents 1% of the pension

:09:17. > :09:22.fund. What does the tobacco industry have

:09:22. > :09:27.to say? Nottingham his cigarette city. We make millions of

:09:27. > :09:31.cigarettes and it used to be a massive employer in Nottingham.

:09:31. > :09:36.Players still employs 750 people but they said they were not dream

:09:36. > :09:43.of telling anybody else -- they would not dream of telling anybody

:09:43. > :09:47.else how to invest. Will these arguments go away? No and they

:09:47. > :09:51.could gather momentum, as we have heard from Dr Greg Place, as we

:09:51. > :09:55.have heard the County Council is taking on the responsibility of

:09:55. > :09:58.public health and telling people to quit smoking from 2013. These

:09:58. > :10:01.arguments will run and run. Thank you.

:10:01. > :10:05.A motorist from Leicester has been banned for a year after being

:10:05. > :10:08.caught driving with four children lying in the boot of his car!

:10:08. > :10:13.Police found a total of 11 people travelling with 38-year-old Soltan

:10:13. > :10:17.Lakatos from Belgrave in his Audi A4 saloon. Three adults and another

:10:17. > :10:21.two children were sitting on the back seat.

:10:21. > :10:24.A cyclist has been taken to hospital after being hit by a van

:10:24. > :10:28.which was being followed by Nottinghamshire Police. It happened

:10:28. > :10:32.just after midnight on Nottingham Road in Long Eaton. The cycle rider

:10:32. > :10:34.was taken to hospital with non life-threatening injuries. The van

:10:34. > :10:38.driver has been arrested for dangerous driving, failing a

:10:38. > :10:43.roadside breath test and failing to stop. The force has referred the

:10:43. > :10:46.incident to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

:10:46. > :10:50.Police say they have a new lead in their investigation into a violent

:10:50. > :10:53.armed robbery. It follows a reconstruction of the attack on the

:10:53. > :10:56.Crimewatch programme last night. A couple who ran a business at

:10:56. > :11:00.Shireoaks in Nottinghamshire were tied up and held at gunpoint during

:11:00. > :11:04.the robbery last November. Police say they now have a new name to

:11:04. > :11:07.investigate. A Nottinghamshire farmer has been

:11:07. > :11:13.jailed for a year after admitting cruelty charges and breaching

:11:13. > :11:17.regulations for the disposal of dead livestock. Keith Littlewood

:11:17. > :11:20.left scores of animal carcasses on his land near Bestwood village.

:11:20. > :11:24.Trading Standards Officers told Nottingham Crown Court it was the

:11:24. > :11:29.most horrific case they had dealt with. Pigs, cattle, poultry and a

:11:29. > :11:33.donkey lay decomposing. Emaciated animals were left to roam around

:11:33. > :11:37.dilapidated sheds and pens. Inspectors filmed scenes which were

:11:37. > :11:43.too distressing to be shown. Many of the animals found alive had to

:11:43. > :11:46.be destroyed. Dr Steven McOrist is a spokesman for the British

:11:46. > :11:56.Veterinary Association. I asked him how common such cases of shocking

:11:56. > :12:00.

:12:00. > :12:05.neglect were. Certainly these cases are very rare, fortunately. I have

:12:05. > :12:11.been a vet for 30 years and I have seen five or six cases that was

:12:11. > :12:16.similar. What sort of checks are there for farmers like this?

:12:16. > :12:20.national quality assurance programme for pigs in the UK, the

:12:20. > :12:30.farms and a better revisit a scheduled every quarter, so are

:12:30. > :12:30.

:12:30. > :12:35.four times a year. -- a better and revisit. 8% are expected to have a

:12:35. > :12:39.local scheme in place. Other animals are involved as well?

:12:40. > :12:44.Certainly, but each scheme tends to be organised under each animal

:12:44. > :12:48.species. So cattle required a cattle passport to track their

:12:48. > :12:53.movements following the foot and mouth outbreak. That seems quite a

:12:53. > :13:01.lot. How has this fallen through the net? Her the Net is that there

:13:01. > :13:05.is no strategy -- statutory legal obligation on the farmer to have

:13:05. > :13:11.this. It is between the farm and a retailer who purchases the

:13:11. > :13:15.livestock to sort this out. Do you think there should be more testing?

:13:15. > :13:18.Certainly. That is one a possibility and we have considered

:13:18. > :13:27.that and would certainly help move towards guidelines along those

:13:27. > :13:31.lines. Thank you very much for For a charity which helps

:13:31. > :13:35.disadvantaged Russian children is celebrating its 20th anniversary.

:13:35. > :13:38.The it has given more than 50 youngsters a chance to spend a year

:13:38. > :13:43.at a top private school in Derbyshire.

:13:43. > :13:47.We have been to visit the latest boy to benefit.

:13:47. > :13:52.Early morning. The it is a preparatory school for the famous

:13:52. > :13:57.Repton School nearby. Queuing up for breakfast is his latest pupil,

:13:57. > :14:04.for all the way from St Petersburg in Russia. He has swapped his

:14:04. > :14:10.orphanage for the South Derbyshire countryside.

:14:10. > :14:15.He only speaks a little English, but he already understand a lot.

:14:15. > :14:20.I am really enjoying this school, everything is great and I really

:14:20. > :14:24.want to stay in England forever. But in a year, he will go back to

:14:24. > :14:28.Russia, with love and a promise of future help.

:14:28. > :14:34.A it opens up all kinds of possibilities for him, the

:14:34. > :14:37.education system that he will then go into should give him chances

:14:37. > :14:42.that he would not otherwise have had.

:14:42. > :14:52.His place is paid for by a charity set up by a former headmaster

:14:52. > :14:56.Richard a Theobald. The it is amazing how quickly he has got --

:14:56. > :15:00.taking to live here. He has a constant smiler and he is

:15:00. > :15:10.so keen to improve his English and to really get hold of all the

:15:10. > :15:11.

:15:11. > :15:19.opportunities he has presented to. When I grow older, I want to be a

:15:19. > :15:28.pilot in British Airways. You want to be a pilot? Yes.

:15:28. > :15:32.Later we will return to see how he is getting on for stopper --.

:15:32. > :15:36.A man who admitted robbing two banks in Nottingham has been jailed

:15:37. > :15:44.for more than five years. Victor Franklin, who was caught on CCTV,

:15:44. > :15:49.pleaded guilty at -- to robbing Lloyds-TSB at Low Pavement and

:15:49. > :15:53.Lower Parliament Street last year. He also admitted possession of an

:15:53. > :15:58.imitation firearm. He was arrested after Handy himself into a police

:15:58. > :16:02.station after seeing an appeal for information on Crimewatch.

:16:02. > :16:06.Local schoolchildren and survivors have marked the anniversary of the

:16:06. > :16:11.Holocaust at a memorial centre. The Holocaust centre at Laxton near

:16:11. > :16:15.Newark has been at running sessions to raise awareness of racism and

:16:15. > :16:23.hate crime. Survivors lit candles to honour those who lost their

:16:23. > :16:31.lives. Actress Maureen Lipman was there to run help.

:16:31. > :16:36.It was exactly what a Holocaust Day, or any genocide day was therefore.

:16:36. > :16:40.To make us remember that this must never happen again.

:16:40. > :16:45.On the Sunday Politics for the East Midlands, Marie Ashby will be

:16:45. > :16:49.leading a debate on an issue which divides our politicians.

:16:49. > :16:53.We will be asking whether elected police commissioners really are the

:16:53. > :16:57.good idea David Cameron says they are. His party leader in Darby says

:16:57. > :17:01.it could end up politicising our forces. Will it make it more

:17:01. > :17:08.difficult for me police to do their job?

:17:08. > :17:14.That is Sunday Politics from 12pm with Marie Ashby and Andrew Neil.

:17:14. > :17:18.We'll be having a look ahead to the sport and the full weather forecast.

:17:18. > :17:26.And I am at the factory that is making schools got that could save

:17:26. > :17:32.children's lives by glowing in the dark.

:17:32. > :17:36.They look rather good! Time for the sport now.

:17:36. > :17:39.A a bit of news to start with. Nottingham Forest have confirmed

:17:39. > :17:45.they are considering a third bid from Leicester City board defender

:17:45. > :17:50.Wes Morgan. Nigel Pearson is keeping pretty tight-lipped.

:17:50. > :17:56.I cannot control how the club's deal with bits that have been put

:17:56. > :18:02.in and how they use the information. We have made a number of inquiries

:18:02. > :18:08.for players in this window. Unfortunately, on certain fronts,

:18:08. > :18:11.it has not yet been successful. Leicester do have an intriguing FA

:18:11. > :18:17.Cup tie, they are up against Swindon, which will bring back a

:18:17. > :18:23.lot of memories. Two teams, Leicester and Swindon.

:18:24. > :18:29.Cast your mind back to a dramatic afternoon in 1993. It was the play-

:18:30. > :18:34.off final at Wembley, the Foxes were trailing by three goals when

:18:34. > :18:38.suddenly in 11 breathtaking minutes they brought it back to a draw. But

:18:38. > :18:44.heartache was to follow, and Swindon were awarded a penalty and

:18:44. > :18:49.grabs the winner. So, almost 19 years on, can we expect a seven-

:18:49. > :18:53.goal thriller when the two sides meet this weekend?

:18:53. > :18:58.I would take a narrow victory if you gave it to me now! That would

:18:58. > :19:02.be good enough for me! Life is good at Leicester at the

:19:02. > :19:07.moment following on from two impressive wins. And they go into

:19:07. > :19:12.this game as big favourites. But this is the FA Cup, and anything

:19:12. > :19:16.could happen. A lot of things can happen in the

:19:16. > :19:20.FA Cup, and I have been on the end of them before, and I have also

:19:20. > :19:24.experienced winning against teams from higher divisions. So we all

:19:24. > :19:28.going like we do every game, and we will not get complacent. We will

:19:28. > :19:34.look at Swindon as if they are a Premier League team. If we play our

:19:34. > :19:36.game, we will hopefully get through. Leicester have not won a three

:19:36. > :19:44.games and a row all season. They will be hoping that that changes

:19:44. > :19:50.tomorrow. Paolo Di Canio on the way, what a

:19:50. > :19:54.prospect! Premier League stoke are the visitors to Derby County. They

:19:54. > :19:59.bring a former Derby star who now lives in Duffield, surrounded by

:19:59. > :20:04.Derby fans. He is as famous for his throwing as his football. I have

:20:04. > :20:09.been to see Rory Delap. Once one of Derby's young

:20:09. > :20:15.Premiership players, now a promotion winner and Cup finalist

:20:15. > :20:22.in -- for Stoke. My wife said wouldn't it be funny

:20:22. > :20:26.if Derby came at? So it is greater, because I still have a lot of

:20:26. > :20:29.friends who work in Derby. It was inevitable, stepping out

:20:29. > :20:34.again for the club he never wanted to leave.

:20:34. > :20:38.Financially it was a good move for me, but I never wanted to go. I was

:20:38. > :20:43.in tears. There was a chance for something special to happen, but it

:20:43. > :20:46.was broken up before we got a chance. We all lived around the

:20:46. > :20:51.same villages and we would see each other all the time. It was a great

:20:51. > :20:55.time. Stoke come to Pride Park with a

:20:55. > :21:01.reputation for, to be kind, direct ness. How many of the stereotypes

:21:01. > :21:06.are true? All of them! Everything?

:21:06. > :21:09.To be honest, it has played in our favour at times. Both teams have

:21:09. > :21:13.turned up and you can see in their eyes that they just do not want to

:21:13. > :21:17.be there. You probably get sick of being

:21:17. > :21:22.asked about your throw-ins. It is good to be famous for

:21:22. > :21:27.something! When I first got the exposure, people were asking me to

:21:27. > :21:34.do all sorts, to throw a Christmas pudding Overy double-decker bus.

:21:34. > :21:38.Did you do that? No, I turn that one down!

:21:38. > :21:43.So how will he feel about going back to the club that he supports?

:21:43. > :21:47.If I play, once the game starts, you have got to put that behind it.

:21:47. > :21:52.I will only enjoy it if we get the right result.

:21:52. > :21:57.I will be there at Pride Park tomorrow. At Robbie Savage has been

:21:57. > :22:02.back as well, bringing the noise back to the training ground.

:22:02. > :22:11.Is our manager going to put Peter Crouch up on Saturday? This is our

:22:11. > :22:17.secret manager -- secret weapon! You could never do that!

:22:17. > :22:23.We are hanging on in there. We have got some young lads in

:22:23. > :22:28.midfield now. You can see more of it here on BBC

:22:28. > :22:32.One upon Football Focus. There is another new arrival at

:22:32. > :22:37.Notts County, striker Jonathan Forte, who has had two spells with

:22:37. > :22:42.them before. He arrives from Southampton, and comes in as they

:22:42. > :22:47.prepare to go into the cup tomorrow. We are the underdogs and are right

:22:47. > :22:50.up against it. This is the toughest game, without a shadow of a doubt.

:22:50. > :22:56.Sutton and Doncaster were tough, and now we have another draw away

:22:56. > :23:00.from home. This is the toughest team of the lot. We will have to be

:23:00. > :23:05.absolutely spot-on and ready for this one.

:23:05. > :23:08.Leicester Tigers are playing in the LV Cup next weekend, while

:23:08. > :23:13.Nottingham play London Scottish in the Championship.

:23:13. > :23:19.Good luck to Graeme Swann and Stuart Broad as they try to

:23:19. > :23:23.capitalise against Pakistan today. England looking good. Also to the

:23:23. > :23:28.Leicester ladies who form the GB hockey squad, they are playing in

:23:28. > :23:32.the Champions Trophy in London. Finally, good luck to our ice

:23:32. > :23:41.dancers Nick Buckland and Penny Coomes, they are in 4th place in

:23:41. > :23:49.the year -- in the European Figure Skating Championships.

:23:49. > :23:52.Fingers crossed! How many times have you been a bit

:23:52. > :23:56.concerned when the kids go off to school and it is pitch black?

:23:56. > :24:01.Earth it is something every parent has to do, but now I Leicestershire

:24:01. > :24:06.company has come up with a rather bright idea to solve the problem.

:24:06. > :24:11.They make starts with a difference, as Tom Brown explains.

:24:11. > :24:16.At this family business, they make ropes and school scarves. And this

:24:16. > :24:20.is more than just the latest fashion accessory. When the

:24:20. > :24:25.children before school and it is dark outside, this scarf reflects

:24:25. > :24:29.in the headlights. And it is already been warned and

:24:29. > :24:34.appreciated by school children across the county.

:24:34. > :24:38.It is excellent because cars can see you're.

:24:39. > :24:42.I think they are really comfortable, because they light up, and the cars

:24:42. > :24:46.will be able to see you if you are going across the road.

:24:46. > :24:51.I think they are fantastic. Children will wear them, because

:24:51. > :24:54.they do not like wearing yellow jacket. It is in school colours,

:24:54. > :25:00.and they are not aware that they light up in the dark, which is

:25:00. > :25:04.brilliant. The machines can produce up to 2005

:25:04. > :25:11.Roberts got every week, as they are distributed across the county. --

:25:11. > :25:18.scarfs. You are the chief executive. Why did you come up with this idea?

:25:18. > :25:22.I was walking down the canal and tripped over a broker for a boat. -

:25:22. > :25:27.- a rope. We thought if we could eliminate it, we could stop

:25:27. > :25:33.accidents. And then I thought there was a market for children's scarfs.

:25:33. > :25:37.We developed one. As far as I know, we're the only ones who do it.

:25:37. > :25:44.The matter what your school's colours, there is a scarf that is

:25:44. > :25:54.sure to match. This is a company with a bright future.

:25:54. > :25:54.

:25:54. > :26:02.A very illuminating report! You will need as Garth for the

:26:02. > :26:11.early part of next week. -- Aysgarth.

:26:12. > :26:19.Thank you for sending this picture in. The shower was just starting to

:26:19. > :26:25.reach the A46. We have still got a warning in force for snow. It has

:26:25. > :26:29.been extended by the Met Office. It starts to expire just after 7pm.

:26:29. > :26:36.They are starting to cut across parts of the East Midlands and

:26:36. > :26:39.falling as no at lower levels. Temperatures will start to drop in

:26:39. > :26:45.the evening, and in the north of the region, we could start to see

:26:45. > :26:50.it turning quite icy as well. We do have a weather warning in force.

:26:50. > :26:59.Tonight's minimum temperature is about one Celsius. It will go below

:26:59. > :27:06.freezing in Ruairi us. CAC 40 across the south of the region. --

:27:06. > :27:11.cloud across the south of the reason. Just a small amount of fair

:27:11. > :27:18.weather CAC 40 around. Daytime temperatures reaching a maximum of

:27:18. > :27:24.six Celsius. -- cloud. We will start to see quite extensive fog

:27:24. > :27:28.developing. It could take a large amount of time to live a -- lift.