:00:00. > :00:00.Coming up this evening on BBC London:
:00:00. > :00:07.Not enough resources to deal with the threat of terror -
:00:08. > :00:09.the stark warning from the man in charge at Scotland
:00:10. > :00:17.Londoners are warned about having valuables out on show, as moped
:00:18. > :00:27.We go up to them and we advise them, and they say to us, "I've already
:00:28. > :00:30.had it stolen three or four times," and we are like, "Wow,
:00:31. > :00:45.Campaigners claim dozens are under threat from developers.
:00:46. > :00:54.Hoping to be pitch perfect - the fans chosen to sing in front
:00:55. > :01:04.of thousands ahead of this weekend's FA Cup final at Wembley.
:01:05. > :01:08.The man in charge of the Metropolitan Police
:01:09. > :01:11.during the 7/7 bombings has warned there will never be enough resources
:01:12. > :01:16.to prevent future terror attacks from taking place.
:01:17. > :01:20.Lord Blair said difficult choices will always need to be made in order
:01:21. > :01:26.In a moment, we'll look at what's being done to stop people
:01:27. > :01:29.being radicalised in the first place, but first our home
:01:30. > :01:31.affairs correspondent, Nick Beake, looks at the scale
:01:32. > :01:46.Outside Scotland Yard, they paused to
:01:47. > :01:49.Outside Scotland Yard, they paused to remember the victims of the
:01:50. > :01:51.Among those murdered was a police officer.
:01:52. > :01:53.Elaine McIver, off-duty at the concert.
:01:54. > :01:55.The Met is the beating heart of the UK's
:01:56. > :02:02.counterterrorism network but today a reality check from former boss.
:02:03. > :02:10.It is a numbers game. There just are not enough resources and they could
:02:11. > :02:14.never be enough resources to cover everybody inevitably, and I do think
:02:15. > :02:18.the Government is completely right to raise the situation to Critical,
:02:19. > :02:23.because he cannot have done this alone. So what exactly is the size
:02:24. > :02:29.of the threat facing the police and security services at the moment? We
:02:30. > :02:34.are told around 3500 people are of interest in the UK. Among them will
:02:35. > :02:40.be the 200 or so Londoners who have been to Syria to fight and have now
:02:41. > :02:43.returned. We're also told there are around 500 life counterterrorism
:02:44. > :02:49.investigations in play at any one time. Many of those will be in and
:02:50. > :02:55.around London. The Manchester attack is the first time since 7/7, when 52
:02:56. > :03:02.killed. The terrorists have now succeeded again inducing explosives.
:03:03. > :03:07.In August 2006, the thwarted plan to blow up planes between and America
:03:08. > :03:16.was another. This was a demonstration for the BBC of what
:03:17. > :03:21.could happen. In June 2007, outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub, police
:03:22. > :03:27.found an explosive device filled with nails and nuts and bolts just
:03:28. > :03:33.in time. Then another plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange. And in
:03:34. > :03:36.2012, a plan to attach an explosive to a remote controlled car and
:03:37. > :03:40.target the Territorial Army centre in Newton was also foiled.
:03:41. > :03:48.I think we have some of the best police services in the world and
:03:49. > :03:51.they really respect our capability. It is a capability that has got
:03:52. > :03:54.better with time and should carry on getting better with time. It has
:03:55. > :03:58.some of the most talented people in the country doing a very difficult
:03:59. > :04:02.job. But the Manchester suicide bomber
:04:03. > :04:06.was reported to the authorities. Once again, the question of
:04:07. > :04:07.resources and which suspects to concentrate on has been brought into
:04:08. > :04:08.focus. Well, the controversial government
:04:09. > :04:10.strategy aimed at stopping people from becoming terrorists is called
:04:11. > :04:13.Prevent. It's controversial because some
:04:14. > :04:16.communities feel it Yet that hasn't stopped them
:04:17. > :04:21.from trying to stand up to violent extremism themselves,
:04:22. > :04:37.as Frankie McCamley These two people might look like
:04:38. > :04:42.they are having fun but they are here to work. They have been
:04:43. > :04:47.specially trained to spot signs of radicalisation. Not talking to
:04:48. > :04:51.people as much as they used to, a different atmosphere in their tone,
:04:52. > :04:57.their voice, everything. Even the small things make differences. The
:04:58. > :05:02.17-year-old says it is just a matter of speaking to people in everyday
:05:03. > :05:08.life, counteracting the tactics group like so-called -- groups like
:05:09. > :05:11.so-called Islamic State use. We use the same tactics, get to those
:05:12. > :05:15.people who are vulnerable, get them in a safe space where they can speak
:05:16. > :05:20.to us and let go of those emotions and make sure those emotions don't
:05:21. > :05:22.stay in them and doesn't end up turning into something detrimental
:05:23. > :05:34.to themselves than society around them. This is part of a charity that
:05:35. > :05:36.tries to stop the spread of extremism. This man used to work
:05:37. > :05:38.with the Government's Prevent strategy which tries to stop people
:05:39. > :05:45.getting into terrorism, but he believes it is not working. Al focus
:05:46. > :05:51.has now moved from intense effective work to soft fluffy approaches. --
:05:52. > :05:55.our focus has now moved. We need a team that can speak to the experts
:05:56. > :06:00.who know what the hell is going on to tackle the problem. It is no
:06:01. > :06:04.secret. This strategy has been controversial. But the government
:06:05. > :06:08.says it has reached hundreds of thousands of people and stopped many
:06:09. > :06:13.others travelling to places like Syria and Iraq. But hundreds across
:06:14. > :06:18.the UK have still been radicalised, including the three Bethnal Green
:06:19. > :06:24.schoolgirls, jihadi Jon and this woman. As for Iran, she says she
:06:25. > :06:26.will continue to keep her eyes and ears open in the hope of making a
:06:27. > :06:30.difference in her community. Our homes affairs correspondent,
:06:31. > :06:32.Nick Beake, is here. Just how big a challenge does
:06:33. > :06:44.the security services now face? The Met says there is something like
:06:45. > :06:48.3000 people of interest to them across the UK. Clearly they can't
:06:49. > :06:53.follow all of those. Just look at what a former head of MI5 has said
:06:54. > :06:59.in the past. To pursue just one person for 24 hours requires a team
:07:00. > :07:04.of 18, so you have to prioritise. We understand counterterrorism officers
:07:05. > :07:08.are making an arrest each day, so hard to prioritise. We will see in
:07:09. > :07:11.the coming days how the threat is expanding but also changing. A
:07:12. > :07:15.bigger debate about the roles of what used to be controlled orders to
:07:16. > :07:19.attract people and also how the Prevent strategy might be changed,
:07:20. > :07:26.as we saw in that BT there. But also the role of social media. -- in that
:07:27. > :07:29.video there. I had a fascinating conversation earlier this week and
:07:30. > :07:34.the counterterrorism police were saying there are real concerns they
:07:35. > :07:38.cannot access the communications tween suspects in the way they could
:07:39. > :07:42.ten years ago, so that sort of political debate is one we will see
:07:43. > :07:45.in the coming weeks. -- the communications between suspects.
:07:46. > :07:50.This is what's still to come before the end of the programme:
:07:51. > :07:53.We are live at the Chelsea Flower Show, looking at ways to make the
:07:54. > :08:04.most of small spaces. And is this hot, dry, sunny spell
:08:05. > :08:08.going to last into the bank holiday weekend? Join me later to find out.
:08:09. > :08:10.Most mopeds stolen in London are being used to commit further
:08:11. > :08:13.crime, like grabbing mobile phones or handbags from
:08:14. > :08:19.Figures show a 40% increase in the crime, which today led police
:08:20. > :08:23.to take to the streets of Islington, advising Londoners
:08:24. > :08:41.They are fearless and they are aggressive. They work alone or in a
:08:42. > :08:44.group. Some are as young as 12. London's thieves are using stolen
:08:45. > :08:49.mopeds more than ever and it is our mobiles they are mostly after. Here
:08:50. > :08:54.in Islington last week, 31 phones were stolen in a single hour. In
:08:55. > :08:59.just five minutes, we found two people it had happened to. There was
:09:00. > :09:03.one guy driving and one guy on the back. Just took it out of my hand,
:09:04. > :09:07.split second, didn't have a chance to think about it. Your phone just
:09:08. > :09:11.disappears out of your hand and you kind of realise what happened, and
:09:12. > :09:15.then you beat up your -- you beat yourself up, why didn't I hold onto
:09:16. > :09:21.my phone? Think about chasing after him, probably don't. But police say
:09:22. > :09:26.we are still walking around with our phones in full view. We go up to
:09:27. > :09:31.them and they say, we have already had them stolen three or four times.
:09:32. > :09:34.And we say, wow, you are still doing it! What they say they know somebody
:09:35. > :09:41.who has had their phone stolen in a mobile robbery. In the past year
:09:42. > :09:46.15,000 scooters have been stolen. A jump of 41%. They are then used to
:09:47. > :09:50.commit more crime. The man fighting this theft wants us to know just how
:09:51. > :09:54.vulnerable they are. In under 20 seconds he showed us how to steal
:09:55. > :09:58.one. The bike like this without a lock on the back wheel, you can just
:09:59. > :10:03.grab hold of the steering wheel... We can't show you any more of that,
:10:04. > :10:09.sorry! But what we can show you is how to keep your mopeds safer. The
:10:10. > :10:12.way to do it is put a big chain through the back wheel and put
:10:13. > :10:21.something heavy on the street. When it's at home, put a big hook into
:10:22. > :10:26.the concrete. This is one of 22 stolen every day and the police say
:10:27. > :10:31.they only sold about 5% of the crimes associated with mopeds. This
:10:32. > :10:39.is another picked up at Islington. A second-hand mopeds collect around
:10:40. > :10:44.700, so more people are choosing the cheaper option and writing off the
:10:45. > :10:45.cost of a stolen scooter. It seems Londoners need better habits to stay
:10:46. > :10:47.safe. The Government's consultation
:10:48. > :10:53.on plans to build a third runway To the election now,
:10:54. > :10:56.and as we've been hearing, Ukip has launched its election
:10:57. > :10:58.manifesto with criticism of Theresa May's record
:10:59. > :10:59.on tackling extremism. Let's get more from our political
:11:00. > :11:01.editor, Tim Donovan, who's been speaking to the party
:11:02. > :11:06.leader, Paul Nuttall. Yes, the party leader and his party
:11:07. > :11:11.have wasted little time in trying to draw lessons from the events in
:11:12. > :11:16.Manchester. A two pronged failure, if you like. A failure to tackle
:11:17. > :11:22.radicalisation and the causes of it, and then resources, cutting back on
:11:23. > :11:25.policing, border controls, not doing enough about immigration. But to
:11:26. > :11:34.this message have the same relevance and resonance here in the capital,
:11:35. > :11:38.with its long history of immigration and, many will say, integration. Did
:11:39. > :11:48.the leader Paul Nuttall accept his message was inadequate? A
:11:49. > :11:54.significant report has shown people simply aren't mixing. You know, we
:11:55. > :11:59.are becoming a more divided community, not integrating at all,
:12:00. > :12:04.and... Well, I've just given you the evidence. What evidence or proof is
:12:05. > :12:09.there that that is a problem in this capital city? A capital city which
:12:10. > :12:14.just a year ago elected a Muslim mayor, for instance? Gas, and we
:12:15. > :12:21.have two members of the London Assembly. -- yes, and we have two
:12:22. > :12:25.members. They add to our economy, they love this country and they are
:12:26. > :12:31.a great asset. They have brought a lot of culture to this country. It's
:12:32. > :12:37.fantastic. There was a small minority of people who are a
:12:38. > :12:39.problem, and these are fundamentalist Islamist and they
:12:40. > :12:48.hate our way of life and our freedom.
:12:49. > :12:55.In terms of Heathrow Airport, they said they would scrap HS2, the
:12:56. > :12:59.congestion charge, the low emissions zone. But the big question is about
:13:00. > :13:06.the party's own future. There have been concerns on what it did in the
:13:07. > :13:09.local elections and even council by-elections. Their vote has been
:13:10. > :13:12.falling away and there is a serious question here in the capital of what
:13:13. > :13:15.they are going to do, not least because they are only standing in 48
:13:16. > :13:18.of London's 73 seats. Events in Manchester earlier this
:13:19. > :13:20.week threw a spotlight on the incredible work
:13:21. > :13:22.of our emergency services, with many facing horrific scenes
:13:23. > :13:25.in the immediate aftermath While understandably much
:13:26. > :13:28.of the focus is on the victims and their families, what about those
:13:29. > :13:31.who were first to respond? A man who knows all too well
:13:32. > :13:35.is Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent John Sutherland,
:13:36. > :13:38.who suffered with crippling depression as a result of dealing
:13:39. > :13:44.with upsetting cases. He's now written a book about it,
:13:45. > :13:47.and I asked him earlier what it's like to go into a scene like that
:13:48. > :14:03.faced in Manchester. When you're in the midst those
:14:04. > :14:07.events, that precious old-fashioned sense of duty takes over and just
:14:08. > :14:11.the physical adrenaline and your training, and in amongst it, you are
:14:12. > :14:15.just focused on doing your job and doing it to the best of your
:14:16. > :14:19.ability. It's only afterwards really that you pause and consider what the
:14:20. > :14:24.impact might have been. And some people are very good at processing
:14:25. > :14:31.that quite quickly. Some people like me tuck it away, not perhaps knowing
:14:32. > :14:35.that it's there, only for it to reappear later on. And although you
:14:36. > :14:38.might be going in to deal with people with injuries and trauma in a
:14:39. > :14:41.very physical way, the issues you are talking about are very much
:14:42. > :14:48.mental issues, aren't they? Absolutely. Mental health is still
:14:49. > :14:53.something of a taboo subject, although I think as a society we are
:14:54. > :14:58.beginning a much more open and compassionate conversation about it.
:14:59. > :15:02.I think police officers and their colleagues in the emergency services
:15:03. > :15:08.as well are the most extraordinary people. They go where most wouldn't
:15:09. > :15:12.and they do what most couldn't. And I think we would be less than human
:15:13. > :15:16.if we weren't impacted in some very significant way by the things we've
:15:17. > :15:22.seen. I'm wondering what the cumulative effect of this is. Years
:15:23. > :15:25.later. So for instance, this week, when we are seeing those terrible
:15:26. > :15:31.pictures of what happened in Manchester, how do you deal with it?
:15:32. > :15:35.How do you watch it at home? I can't any more. That is one of the
:15:36. > :15:39.consequences of my illness. I find it very difficult to deal with the
:15:40. > :15:43.trauma, so I find it very difficult to look at the pictures and listen
:15:44. > :15:47.to the accounts. I would liken it, I suppose, to one of those time
:15:48. > :15:50.capsules that you would bury and leave to be discovered at some
:15:51. > :15:55.indeterminate point in the future. I think that's very much what it's
:15:56. > :16:01.been for me over the course of my policing life. I've slowly added to
:16:02. > :16:04.the contents of that capsule and they just came -- there came a point
:16:05. > :16:08.in time when I couldn't take any more. You are being very honest with
:16:09. > :16:13.me now and you are very honest in your book, and the fact you've had
:16:14. > :16:16.to take antidepressants to deal with the difficulties you've faced. Is
:16:17. > :16:21.that one of the solutions, to be able to talk openly and not be
:16:22. > :16:27.embarrassed? Absolutely. I think when it first happened to me, it was
:16:28. > :16:32.an utterly overwhelming thing. It smashed me to the ground. I was off
:16:33. > :16:40.work for seven months and four years later I'm still recovering. I think
:16:41. > :16:44.I felt shame initially. I felt the shame of falling, I felt ashamed of
:16:45. > :16:49.not being strong enough, the shame of not being there for my
:16:50. > :16:53.colleagues, who, whilst I was recovering at home, were still out
:16:54. > :16:56.there taking the calls. But I don't feel ashamed any more and I think
:16:57. > :17:01.one of the best and most constructive things you can do is to
:17:02. > :17:04.talk about it. Just very quickly, if you had to go back and start your
:17:05. > :17:10.career again as a police officer knowing what you know, would you
:17:11. > :17:13.join up? I would unequivocally do it all again. Thank you for your time.
:17:14. > :17:15.A fascinating insight. London has more green spaces
:17:16. > :17:17.than many capital cities, but with space running out
:17:18. > :17:19.and demand for homes increasing, there's concern that developers
:17:20. > :17:22.are getting ready to move in. The group CPRE London has now
:17:23. > :17:25.produced a map to show spaces under threat,
:17:26. > :17:38.and Marc Ashdown has With Wembley Stadium not so far
:17:39. > :17:42.away, this site is earmarked as a new football centre. The trouble is,
:17:43. > :17:47.this is metropolitan open land and should have the same protections as
:17:48. > :17:56.the green belt. It does indicate how much less land we are going to have.
:17:57. > :17:59.Queens Park Rangers plan for a new complex has horrified locals, many
:18:00. > :18:04.expecting this always to be open for all. What it will do is take all of
:18:05. > :18:09.this beautiful space away from the community. The boundary will be
:18:10. > :18:14.completely sealed off. Access to it will be controlled by QPR if this
:18:15. > :18:18.all goes ahead. And people won't be able to come in. The Campaign to
:18:19. > :18:23.Protect Rural England is today publishing a map of 56 green spaces
:18:24. > :18:28.across the capital which it says are under threat. And they are not all
:18:29. > :18:32.on the outskirts. There are proposals to build here. Victoria
:18:33. > :18:38.Tower Gardens, a green oasis in the heart of Westminster. Perhaps not
:18:39. > :18:43.for long. A Holocaust memorial and Museum is planned which could mean
:18:44. > :18:47.all this is paved over. This park is one of the only green spaces in this
:18:48. > :18:51.part of London... Campaigners aren't against the memorial but feel it is
:18:52. > :18:57.another example of poor planning. We don't need to build on these sites.
:18:58. > :19:01.We have tonnes of Brownfield space but we also have spaces that can be
:19:02. > :19:05.regenerated, so the point of land projection is used up the
:19:06. > :19:07.development of green space but you also encourage developer Don
:19:08. > :19:14.Brownfield or spaces which need regeneration, of which we have
:19:15. > :19:19.plenty in London. -- encourage development on Brownfield spaces.
:19:20. > :19:24.These sources bows of the protected land that could now be developed on
:19:25. > :19:28.on this map. For this comes in the middle of Chelsea Flower Show, which
:19:29. > :19:36.gloriously celebrates all the best outdoors has to offer. The owners of
:19:37. > :19:39.the QPR site says it has always been looking at this developer and.
:19:40. > :19:44.Residents say it is a reminder to fight for London's green lungs
:19:45. > :19:48.wherever they may be. -- looking at this development.
:19:49. > :19:58.We are still at the Chelsea Flower Show this evening. It is still
:19:59. > :20:02.glorious. We are in a garden entitled City Living. Is there a
:20:03. > :20:07.balance between building houses and keeping that greenery? Yes, we have
:20:08. > :20:13.to think about how we are planting to sue the space we've got. Your
:20:14. > :20:16.garden celebrates that. Talk to us about it. It is encouraging people
:20:17. > :20:23.to bring greenery into their lives, isn't it? Yes, this is about blocks
:20:24. > :20:29.of colour and green that people can walk past as they go to their front
:20:30. > :20:35.doors. You need to be planting the right plants in the right place. And
:20:36. > :20:39.it doesn't matter how big or small your garden is? No, absolutely not.
:20:40. > :20:44.The smaller the better. If you want to get green into your flat, even if
:20:45. > :20:50.you live in a concrete area, how can you do that? If you are going to go
:20:51. > :20:53.through the space 365 days a year, try to bring evergreens in and use
:20:54. > :20:58.plants that will grow big, because you don't have to garden them as
:20:59. > :21:03.much. Thank you so much for inviting us in. So some advice for government
:21:04. > :21:07.and planners and also advice to all of us to get a bit creative with
:21:08. > :21:08.your gardens as well. Some good advice there from the
:21:09. > :21:12.Chelsea Flower Show. Thank you. Originally written as a poem
:21:13. > :21:14.by Scottish vicar Henry Lyte before being put to music,
:21:15. > :21:17.Abide With Me has been sung before every FA Cup final
:21:18. > :21:19.for the past 90 years. But this weekend, before Arsenal
:21:20. > :21:21.meet Chelsea at Wembley, a select group of fans has been
:21:22. > :21:24.invited by the FA to come But earplugs at the ready,
:21:25. > :21:29.because as Chris Slegg found out, they've not all been chosen
:21:30. > :21:42.for their musical ability. Sutton fan Steve, Chelsea fans
:21:43. > :21:48.Stefan and Arsenal fan Daniel. All warming up the vocal cords for the
:21:49. > :21:54.performance of a lifetime. # Hold down thy cross
:21:55. > :21:57.# Before my closing eyes... 90,000 fans await them on Saturday,
:21:58. > :22:12.when they will help lead the singing of Abide With Me.
:22:13. > :22:22.What sort of singing standard can we expect from you? Let's say about
:22:23. > :22:29.five out of ten. As for Steve, even a less likely chorister! Steve,
:22:30. > :22:33.having heard that, you've not been chosen for your singing skills! I
:22:34. > :22:38.think you'll be a bit nervous about having to do that in front of
:22:39. > :22:42.90,000? Not at all! I don't expect to be doing any solos on the day!
:22:43. > :22:50.The men have been chosen because of the work they've been doing in
:22:51. > :22:54.charity for their clubs. Being there and singing in front of all those
:22:55. > :23:02.people, it is more of an honour than being scared.
:23:03. > :23:08.# Lord with me abide. On Saturday they will be joined by
:23:09. > :23:17.five other fans... # When other helpers...
:23:18. > :23:31.And don't worry, a 25 strong choir as well.
:23:32. > :23:35.# Abide with me... I can't sing to save my life but apologies for the
:23:36. > :23:38.loss of sound there! It might have been done on purpose!
:23:39. > :23:50.It has been incredible! We saw 27 across Heathrow, so pretty
:23:51. > :23:54.impressive. We saw a breeze picking up through the afternoon and
:23:55. > :23:57.temperatures dropped a bit, but certainly lovely pictures coming
:23:58. > :24:02.through with the blue sky. Some fairweather cloud building up from
:24:03. > :24:08.time to time but the sunshine was in abundance, and, as you know, it felt
:24:09. > :24:13.very warm indeed. A fair old breeze coming in from the south-east. Clear
:24:14. > :24:18.skies and a warm and humid night, certainly in the city centre. It
:24:19. > :24:23.could be even higher where the roads and buildings have been heating up.
:24:24. > :24:27.Hot and sunny tomorrow, and temperatures could be a touch warmer
:24:28. > :24:33.than today. Certainly in central and western parts of the region, for
:24:34. > :24:39.example. A brisk breeze blowing in from the south-east, so slightly
:24:40. > :24:42.fresher towards the east. 27 or 28 across central and western areas.
:24:43. > :24:46.This dry spell isn't going to last through the whole bank holiday
:24:47. > :24:51.weekend. This weather front will be coming into play during Friday night
:24:52. > :24:55.and it will introduce some showers and thunderstorms. Then moving
:24:56. > :24:59.through Saturday as well. Saturday will start off sunny and quite warm.
:25:00. > :25:02.Then we are expecting a line of showers and thunderstorms to push in
:25:03. > :25:07.from the south-west into the afternoon. It will be heavier to the
:25:08. > :25:11.north of the region but then it will brighten up into the afternoon. With
:25:12. > :25:18.the humid air around, it could feel even hotter on Saturday. 28 or 29.
:25:19. > :25:22.So a hot and humid day to come. From the south, we see cloud moving up on
:25:23. > :25:26.Sunday with the potential of some rain, which could be thundery as
:25:27. > :25:29.well. Temperatures just down a notch. On Monday, a touch cooler
:25:30. > :25:33.still. So a mixed bag. Before we go this evening,
:25:34. > :25:35.a recap on the day's main BBC Greater Manchester Police have
:25:36. > :25:39.reported good progress with their investigation
:25:40. > :25:42.into the suicide attack on Monday night, making significant arrests
:25:43. > :25:49.and seizing important items. President Trump has said
:25:50. > :25:52.that the culprit who leaked the name of the Manchester bomber
:25:53. > :25:54.and pictures from the crime scene The information emerged
:25:55. > :25:59.against the wishes of police here. The Queen has been to the Royal
:26:00. > :26:01.Manchester Children's Hospital to visit some of those
:26:02. > :26:04.who are injured, as well meeting She told them the attack
:26:05. > :26:12.had been very wicked. That's it from the BBC
:26:13. > :26:14.London team for now. We'd love to hear from you about any
:26:15. > :26:17.of the stories we've covered today, or tell us
:26:18. > :26:19.about something we didn't. Get in touch on Twitter,
:26:20. > :26:21.Facebook or email. I didn't apply to university there,
:26:22. > :27:26.because it was too close to home. It was the place we went to when
:27:27. > :27:32.we got to 18 - well, maybe 17 -