:00:00. > 3:59:59things turning cooler and more blustery. Thank you very much. That
:00:00. > :00:18.is all from us. The billion pound question, who will
:00:19. > :00:25.be taking care of health care in Cambridgeshire? Health care is not a
:00:26. > :00:28.business, it is about looking after people and people's welfare, and
:00:29. > :00:31.that has to come first. The major study that offers hope to
:00:32. > :00:35.thousands of mums at risk of stillbirth.
:00:36. > :00:39.We will be here later in thd programme as they new look
:00:40. > :00:45.Antarctica hits the Times Atlas A Cambridge scientist has cre`ted a
:00:46. > :00:47.map of the continent without the ice sheets.
:00:48. > :00:48.And, from the front line to the water line, how one young w`r
:00:49. > :00:57.veteran is making waves. It's a contract worth almost
:00:58. > :01:00.?1 billion, and it'll decide who takes charge
:01:01. > :01:03.of elderly care in Cambridgdshire. The commissioning group which holds
:01:04. > :01:06.the reins says outsourcing will improve patient care,
:01:07. > :01:09.but campaigners say it's silply the The winner will be named tolorrow
:01:10. > :01:16.morning, but what does it all mean for thousands of older people
:01:17. > :01:17.in the county. At ?800 million,
:01:18. > :01:26.this could become the biggest health contract in England to be awarded to
:01:27. > :01:29.a private company. The winning bidder will provide
:01:30. > :01:32.a range of health services, including things like distrhct
:01:33. > :01:34.nurses, physiotherapists and mental health care, mainly for
:01:35. > :01:38.older people, in Cambridgeshire Three organisations have
:01:39. > :01:44.made it to the shortlist. Virgin Care, a private comp`ny,
:01:45. > :01:48.Care for Life, a bid led And, Uniting Care Partnershhp,
:01:49. > :01:52.formed The decision is
:01:53. > :01:57.down to the Cambridgeshire `nd Peterborough Clinical Commissioning
:01:58. > :02:00.Group, which is made up of local They decide where and how hdalth
:02:01. > :02:05.care is provided in this arda. They say their aim is to improve
:02:06. > :02:08.quality of care, while at the Because with more people living
:02:09. > :02:14.longer, there's an increasing demand for services, but lilited
:02:15. > :02:21.funding to pay for them. It is among the most import`nt
:02:22. > :02:23.health services to get right. The care of elderly,
:02:24. > :02:25.often vulnerable, people. The idea is that providing better
:02:26. > :02:28.care at home reduces the nedd Better for the patients thex say,
:02:29. > :02:37.as well as saving money. But some fear this landmark
:02:38. > :02:39.contract, the biggest of its kind, would have a negative impact
:02:40. > :02:41.on care. A protest outside the headqtarters
:02:42. > :02:44.of the clinical commissioning group Campaigners say their petithon has
:02:45. > :02:58.gathered over 5000 signaturds. Our concern is that by definition it
:02:59. > :03:03.almost doesn't matter which private company it is, they have to put
:03:04. > :03:08.their shareholder's interests first. Health care is not a business, it is
:03:09. > :03:09.about looking after people, and people's welfare that has to come
:03:10. > :03:11.first. Private companies already provide
:03:12. > :03:13.some health services in this county. Hinchingbrooke Hospital bec`me
:03:14. > :03:16.the first in England to be privately Spending was brought under control
:03:17. > :03:20.and it was seen as a success. But this week a letter
:03:21. > :03:23.from inspectors revealed serious concerns about the treatment
:03:24. > :03:26.of patients and staff. Yet some see this contract
:03:27. > :03:41.for elderly care as a chancd to make People don't get the best lhnk ups
:03:42. > :03:45.between community care, mental health care, social service care. We
:03:46. > :03:49.can bring it all together, `nd make it so people don't need to know
:03:50. > :03:52.which particular bit of the NHS provides the service, but they will
:03:53. > :03:55.get the service when they nded it. I think the dead from Addenbrooke s
:03:56. > :03:58.Hospital and the mental health trust is the best for these purposes.
:03:59. > :04:00.The decision is being made behind closed doors because
:04:01. > :04:04.The winning bidder will be revealed publicly tomorrow, and will take
:04:05. > :04:10.Next, how research carried out in one of our hospitals could lead
:04:11. > :04:13.the way in preventing stillbirths across the UK.
:04:14. > :04:16.We have one of the worst rates of stillbirths in the developed world.
:04:17. > :04:19.And here in the East 350 babies were stillborn last year alone.
:04:20. > :04:21.Now the Rosie Maternity Hospital in Cambridge has been involved
:04:22. > :04:30.In a moment we'll be talking to the man behind that research,
:04:31. > :04:36.Professor Gordon Smith, but first this report from Anna Todd.
:04:37. > :04:39.Filmed for BBC1's Panorama programme last night.
:04:40. > :04:43.These parents bond over the babies they lost.
:04:44. > :04:46.Tiny beings who were perfectly formed.
:04:47. > :04:56.but in the final weeks, something went drastically wrong.
:04:57. > :05:03.First of all we saw a midwife who tried to strap me up to listen to
:05:04. > :05:11.the heartbeat externally, and she couldn't. She did not flap. She said
:05:12. > :05:16.Wright, OK, let's get you scanned. Then I don't really remember very
:05:17. > :05:21.much. Before that, you are so excited, you have got so much hope.
:05:22. > :05:29.I was going to be a stay at home dad with Katie, so my life was `bout to
:05:30. > :05:32.change, for me in a really positive way and in a blink it had all gone.
:05:33. > :05:35.Absolutely devastating. There is already rigorous
:05:36. > :05:37.technologically advanced tests for Down's Syndrome, but sthllbirth
:05:38. > :05:40.screening is based on a tapd Last year, out
:05:41. > :05:47.of 700,000 babies born nationwide, But 350 of those babies werd
:05:48. > :05:53.stillborn, and 90% of those babies Most of
:05:54. > :06:01.the mothers experienced completely Doctors are now asking the puestion,
:06:02. > :06:18.could these deaths be avoiddd? In the womb, the baby receives food,
:06:19. > :06:23.nutrients and oxygen from the placenta. If there is a problem and
:06:24. > :06:29.the blood flow is abnormal, the baby's growth is likely to slow The
:06:30. > :06:30.challenge is to spot which babies are struggling, and save thdm before
:06:31. > :06:31.it is too late. Researchers at
:06:32. > :06:35.Addenbrooke's Hospital are looking at whether ultrasound scans
:06:36. > :06:37.and blood tests combined might provide valuable information about
:06:38. > :06:39.a placenta's functionality, and They say
:06:40. > :06:46.if they knew earlier that something was going wrong they could deliver
:06:47. > :07:09.the baby a couple of weeks darly Professor Gordon Smith joins us this
:07:10. > :07:13.evening. To hear that 90% of these lives could have been saved must be
:07:14. > :07:18.the most heartbreaking thing to hear for parents who have lost a child.
:07:19. > :07:22.Is it really the case? More than 90% of the babies are structurally
:07:23. > :07:30.normal, they don't have somd lethal congenital absolutely. Dash`macro
:07:31. > :07:34.abnormality. Really what we are working on is to try and develop
:07:35. > :07:40.better methods of identifying which babies are vulnerable and hhgh risk
:07:41. > :07:43.so we can target care, but ht is not straightforward, to look at large
:07:44. > :07:46.numbers of very healthy womdn and identify the relatively small number
:07:47. > :07:53.who are at high risk of convocations. Why is it, th`t the UK
:07:54. > :07:56.has made great medical advances in some areas, is so far behind other
:07:57. > :08:00.countries when it comes to stillbirth? It is a more difficult
:08:01. > :08:07.question to answer than you might think. The UK is in the lowdr end of
:08:08. > :08:14.the range with stillbirth in Europe, but Norway uses the UK guiddline for
:08:15. > :08:18.antenatal care and has the lowest rate of stillbirth. Is it shmply a
:08:19. > :08:22.variation in care that we are doing something different to them, but
:08:23. > :08:26.actually Norway uses the sale guidelines as ours. There is not an
:08:27. > :08:30.obvious reason, and that is one of the motivations for focusing our
:08:31. > :08:34.research will stop but when it comes to monitoring a baby's growth, there
:08:35. > :08:41.are blood test and scams, btt we also use a tape measure. Is it time
:08:42. > :08:44.that we were a bit more progressive. The tape measure is limited in what
:08:45. > :08:48.it can achieve. I really fedl that the basis for making inroads into
:08:49. > :08:51.this is to combine the information we can get from measuring the size
:08:52. > :08:55.of the baby, the blood flow measurements that we can make in a
:08:56. > :09:02.ultrasound scan, and combind these with measurements we can make from
:09:03. > :09:06.the mother's blood regarding proteins. Stillbirth is anything
:09:07. > :09:11.after 24 weeks, and at the loment there is no scam after 24 wdeks
:09:12. > :09:15.Routine scanning is at 12 wdeks and 20 weeks. Thereafter, the t`pe
:09:16. > :09:20.measure measures the size of the bump. We want something mord
:09:21. > :09:25.informative. Briefly, you are in the early stages of this. What have you
:09:26. > :09:28.found so far? At the moment we are looking at the ultrasound
:09:29. > :09:34.measurements. That is the process of analysis. We have 17,000 salples,
:09:35. > :09:39.and we are making measurements of proteins of these samples. Over the
:09:40. > :09:44.next year we will combine these with the scan information we alrdady have
:09:45. > :09:48.and see what we can detect hn terms of identifying growth restrhction.
:09:49. > :09:49.It is a devastating thing for patients and parents to go through,
:09:50. > :09:52.thank you for joining us. The Luton and Dunstable guided
:09:53. > :09:55.busway project is to be invdstigated by the National Audit Officd
:09:56. > :09:57.after reports that potential passenger numbers were infl`ted to
:09:58. > :09:59.attract more government funding The busway is now a year old
:10:00. > :10:02.and carrying fewer than 4000 people The original business plan
:10:03. > :10:06.predicted around 9,000 passdngers. The Taxpayers Alliance has described
:10:07. > :10:10.the situation as "disgraceftl", A ?90 million project that fell
:10:11. > :10:17.well short of its own predictions. The original business plan
:10:18. > :10:19.anticipated 9,000 trips a d`y. Then came the frank admission
:10:20. > :10:31.of a councillor ` that the numbers were exaggdrated to
:10:32. > :10:47.secure government funding. You always pump up the figures, as
:10:48. > :10:51.much as anything else. I did not need you would do that. Of course
:10:52. > :10:55.you do it. You embarrassed to the government when you are tryhng to
:10:56. > :11:02.get ?80 billion? Of course xou do. I am so naive. Today, and apology I
:11:03. > :11:05.must apologise. It was my f`ult for concentrating on the most optimistic
:11:06. > :11:09.figures of 3 million. The btsiness case was actually three different
:11:10. > :11:15.figures. The pessimistic, the most likely, and the optimistic figures.
:11:16. > :11:20.I think if we stick with thd most likely case, we are certainly on
:11:21. > :11:22.target. I apologise again, ht was not my intention to mislead anyone.
:11:23. > :11:24.That's something the Taxpayers Alliance has todax
:11:25. > :11:43.We understand Margaret Hodgd has now asked the National Audit Office to
:11:44. > :11:47.look into the matter and report back to her.
:11:48. > :11:49.Only last week, the busway celebrated its first anniversary.
:11:50. > :11:51.Despite the revelations its use is to be extended to include
:11:52. > :12:01.a service to Leighton Buzzard and Milton Keynes.
:12:02. > :12:03.It's the last day for peopld in Northamptonshire
:12:04. > :12:06.and Buckinghamshire to have their say on the compensation scheme
:12:07. > :12:09.for those living close to the proposed HS2 railway line.
:12:10. > :12:11.Campaign groups claim more than a 170,000 homes are blighted
:12:12. > :12:16.by the route, but only 3,000 are likely to get compensation.
:12:17. > :12:20.Work on the ?43 billion project should start in 2017.
:12:21. > :12:39.The deadline for comments is just before midnight tonight.
:12:40. > :12:48.The stunning maps that show us what the poles would look
:12:49. > :12:51.And, from the front line, to the waterline.
:12:52. > :13:11.How one young war veteran is making waves.
:13:12. > :13:14.Since 2001, thousands of soldiers and aircrews from this region have
:13:15. > :13:17.served and fought in Afghanhstan. Nearly 70 lost their lives, and
:13:18. > :13:19.hundreds more suffered terrhble injuries from bombs and minds. But
:13:20. > :13:22.now, the UK mission is almost over. Our defence reporter Alex Dtnlop has
:13:23. > :13:25.been to Afghanistan, to see the drawdown for himself. In thd first
:13:26. > :13:28.of three special reports, wd focus on the Tornado jets from RAF Marham
:13:29. > :13:30.in Norfolk, which have been there for five years.
:13:31. > :13:37.Every day and night, they start up and move out. By Christmas, the
:13:38. > :13:45.region's tornadoes will fly their last from Kandahar. They have been
:13:46. > :13:52.here more than a decade. 31 Squadron will be the last to leave.
:13:53. > :13:56.Don't be false by the relaxdd banter, Jamie and his fellow airmen
:13:57. > :14:01.could be scrambled within mhnutes. We need to keep on our game but at
:14:02. > :14:06.the same time force ourselvds to relax so we are not burnt ott when
:14:07. > :14:13.the time comes. This may be a drill, but two
:14:14. > :14:18.tornadoes are always primed for take`off within minutes.
:14:19. > :14:22.It takes 45 minutes to cross Afghanistan but with top ups from
:14:23. > :14:26.tankers each can last up to eight hours.
:14:27. > :14:31.Meanwhile, in the heat of the hangars, a huge team of enghneers
:14:32. > :14:34.work in temperatures reaching 5 Celsius, to keep these plands in the
:14:35. > :14:42.air. It can be complex. There ard better
:14:43. > :14:53.systems out there. It still does the job.
:14:54. > :14:59.On his first tour, he got bombed `` bombs on insurgents.
:15:00. > :15:12.We are more likely to use mobile weapons.
:15:13. > :15:18.This is no weapon of choice? The role of reconnaissance fills the
:15:19. > :15:24.gap. The high`tech cameras can detect disturbed earth by a bomb is
:15:25. > :15:29.buried, or even innocent activity near a mosque. Jack is lookhng for
:15:30. > :15:40.signs of a drugs factory. In these areas, you can see these
:15:41. > :15:44.are normal food crops. Coffdy feels `` you have to know where you are
:15:45. > :15:47.looking, the cultural background of that country, to know their normal
:15:48. > :15:53.pattern of life. A lot of the time what you `re
:15:54. > :15:59.analysing is not suspicious. Most of the time, no. It is rare to
:16:00. > :16:05.see other activity. It is poignant 31 Squadron should be
:16:06. > :16:09.the last to be deployed herd. Afghanistan is a part of its long
:16:10. > :16:16.history. At the end of the First World War, 31 Squadron was deployed
:16:17. > :16:23.here in 1990 as part of a British campaign against Afghan rebdls.
:16:24. > :16:29.You must have learned so many lessons from this?
:16:30. > :16:32.It has been an immensely beneficial learning experience, working with
:16:33. > :16:42.coalition partners, particularly in Kandahar, how to support thd army
:16:43. > :16:45.better. Those lessons will be carried forward into other
:16:46. > :16:47.operations. Before this operation has drawn down, another one 140
:16:48. > :16:52.miles away over Iraq is drawing in the ageing tornadoes.
:16:53. > :16:54.This adaptable aircraft has fought in two Gulf wars and could be flying
:16:55. > :16:57.into a third. And tomorrow,
:16:58. > :17:03.Alex looks at the massive logistical exercise to pull out our colbat
:17:04. > :17:06.troops and equipment, after more The latest tourism figures `re out,
:17:07. > :17:11.and have been described as Here in the East, 200,000 pdople
:17:12. > :17:15.work in the industry, ?6.2 billion goes into our dconomy
:17:16. > :17:19.from tourism every year, and the So far this year, visitor ntmbers
:17:20. > :17:25.are up, and they are spending more. This, from our chief reportdr,
:17:26. > :17:40.Kim Riley. Another beautiful morning in the
:17:41. > :17:44.forest on the Norfolk Suffolk border, the gateway to woodland
:17:45. > :17:52.trails looked after by the Forestry Commission.
:17:53. > :18:02.In terms of visitor numbers, it is a special year, attendance is on
:18:03. > :18:08.target to reach 400,000. A fantastic year. Superb we`ther,
:18:09. > :18:12.the best on record, 33% up on the previous four year average.
:18:13. > :18:13.promenade at Southwold visiting `` promenade at Southwold visiting ``
:18:14. > :18:18.and a weak sunshine that thhs is worth an extra ?80 million to
:18:19. > :18:22.tourism industry. The peer was taken over last year and it has bden
:18:23. > :18:27.pulling in the crowds. We are obviously affected bx the
:18:28. > :18:30.weather. We did lose a little in August. September has been `mazing
:18:31. > :18:38.for us. The incredible creation Tour appear
:18:39. > :18:43.like no other. This couple from London are on their first vhsit
:18:44. > :18:51.We have been to others but this is very striking, I like it. It is very
:18:52. > :18:54.special. People have very fond memories.
:18:55. > :18:57.In Essex, the county benefited from the arrival of the Tour de France in
:18:58. > :19:03.July. We saw so many people lining the
:19:04. > :19:09.streets. The weather helped stop it put us on the international stage.
:19:10. > :19:13.Everyone saw Essex in its bdst light. People have said thex did not
:19:14. > :19:18.realise Essex was like that, so rural, so much to see.
:19:19. > :19:22.At Whipsnade the Khutsishvili they have welcomed half a million
:19:23. > :19:33.visitors so far. We put a lot of that down to the
:19:34. > :19:39.weather being so great. It has been prolonged this year, summer has
:19:40. > :19:44.extended into September which helps. Reports say the Julie of thd final
:19:45. > :19:56.section of the A11 will givd a boost to attractions.
:19:57. > :19:57.Short breaks are on the up. And with the sunshine, has come
:19:58. > :19:58.The ice in the Antarctic is very, very thick.
:19:59. > :20:00.In places, it's more than 4,000 metres deep.
:20:01. > :20:05.And, for years, no`one knew what the landscape looked like underneath.
:20:06. > :20:08.But, thanks to a scientist at thd British
:20:09. > :20:11.Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, we now have some stunning m`ps.
:20:12. > :20:14.And now, for the first time, they've been published in The Times Atlas.
:20:15. > :20:36.A map now printed in the most prestigious atl`s of
:20:37. > :20:56.The map is made using satellite data, radar from aircraft,
:20:57. > :21:04.It really shows important science on a global level.
:21:05. > :21:06.Being in the Times Atlas shows growing
:21:07. > :21:09.recognition of the importance of this landscape under the ice
:21:10. > :21:14.Although it is totally inaccessible and we can never visit it, ht plays
:21:15. > :21:17.an important role in controlling global sea level, and which parts of
:21:18. > :21:21.Hidden under the ice, mountain ranges.
:21:22. > :21:32.And valleys, some of the dedpest on the globe.
:21:33. > :21:35.This is a 3D model of the continent with ice stripped
:21:36. > :21:38.The dark blue is the deep sda, the light blue where
:21:39. > :21:41.The red tops are the tips of the mountain ranges.
:21:42. > :21:48.By knowing where the bed rock begins, you can calculate how much
:21:49. > :21:50.ice there is which will potdntially help people calculate how qtickly
:21:51. > :21:57.the ice is melting and how far the levels may rise
:21:58. > :22:00.How the subsurface reacts to the ice controls how vulner`ble
:22:01. > :22:07.If ice melts in Antarctica, it raises sea levels globally.
:22:08. > :22:09.After a century of explorathon, some of the mysteries
:22:10. > :22:19.of this continent have now been uncovered by an extraordinary map.
:22:20. > :22:21.We've already heard tonight about the soldiers and airmdn
:22:22. > :22:25.from this region finally pulling out of Afghanistan.
:22:26. > :22:27.Owen Pick from Suffolk servdd there with the Royal Anglian Regilent and,
:22:28. > :22:32.in 2010, he had his right ldg amputated below the knee after
:22:33. > :22:42.But Owen refused to let the injury beat him.
:22:43. > :22:42.Instead, he set his heart on becoming a champion in the sport
:22:43. > :22:46.of wakeboarding, and now he's one of the best in the country.
:22:47. > :22:55.For many ex`soldiers, the scars of war are hard to overcome.
:22:56. > :22:58.But for Owen Pick, his life has never been better.
:22:59. > :23:02.Some people think life changed in a bad way but, for me personally,
:23:03. > :23:11.If I hadn't have lost my leg, I wouldn't have
:23:12. > :23:12.the opportunity to do what H do now, and living this crazy life.
:23:13. > :23:15.Owen has the wakeboarding btg, pulled along by a cable,
:23:16. > :23:20.Amazingly, he has only been doing it three years, after his mhlitary
:23:21. > :23:24.This is just after our homecoming parade.
:23:25. > :23:31.It was nice to be there and receive my medal.
:23:32. > :23:34.Three months into his first tour of Afghanistan, aged just 18, Owen
:23:35. > :23:36.stepped on an explosive devhce, shattering his right leg and foot.
:23:37. > :23:40.He took the difficult decishon finally to have his right ldg
:23:41. > :23:57.When all the boys came back from Afghan, I sat
:23:58. > :24:00.I was having bad nightmares, I didn't remember.
:24:01. > :24:02.My mind was telling me what had happened.
:24:03. > :24:11.He didn't get sad about it, or upset about it.
:24:12. > :24:24.Which I think is a really ilportant thing to do
:24:25. > :24:29.You can dwell on it or get on, and Owen is a person who gets
:24:30. > :24:34.Owen is 23 and swaps coaching sessions for free training time
:24:35. > :24:45.It helped him to finish inside the top ten
:24:46. > :24:51.at national championships, competing alongside able`bodied athletes.
:24:52. > :24:58.But there is something else, his big goal, a four`year journey to
:24:59. > :25:05.My aim, personally, is to bring back the first gold for Britain
:25:06. > :25:11.The next four years of training will be building up to
:25:12. > :25:11.the Paralympics, and in 2018 going there and hopefully winning.
:25:12. > :25:11.Next week, Owen swaps wakeboarding for snowboarding in Austria.
:25:12. > :25:12.Winter training starts with the British ski team.
:25:13. > :25:20.You get the feeling there is a lot more to come from Owen Pick.
:25:21. > :25:46.You were saying you would lhke to have a go at that!
:25:47. > :26:37.It has been the driest Septdmber since records began in 1910. There
:26:38. > :26:46.is some rain in the forecast moving into October, but not a gre`t
:26:47. > :27:04.we have had some lovely sunshine across the region. There is a
:27:05. > :27:06.weather front bringing more cloud and some patchy rain but not a great
:27:07. > :27:08.deal. A largely fine end and clear skies
:27:09. > :27:09.to start the night. The clotd is well broken but it will turn misty
:27:10. > :27:11.with a phew fog patches and increasing amounts of cloud bringing
:27:12. > :27:13.patchy rain. Some of us may stay dry through the night. Mild oncd more,
:27:14. > :27:14.temperatures, 14 degrees. It means this weather front will
:27:15. > :27:16.linger first thing. A cloudx start with patchy rain first thing. It is
:27:17. > :27:18.looking better in the second half of the day with the prospect of
:27:19. > :27:20.brighter weather once this weather front is out of the way.
:27:21. > :27:24.It may linger over eastern counties. Elsewhere, the cloud will break and
:27:25. > :27:26.we will see some sunshine in the afternoon.
:27:27. > :27:28.In the sunshine, temperaturds will reach 20 Celsius.
:27:29. > :27:30.A light wind tomorrow. It is looking largely drive for the afternoon with
:27:31. > :27:31.the chance of the odd shower developing, particularly across
:27:32. > :27:32.western counties. A look ahead to the rest of the
:27:33. > :27:34.week. A few shifting patterns. This weather front is pushing in late on
:27:35. > :27:36.Friday. That means it will turn things quite breezy by the dnd of
:27:37. > :27:38.the week. Behind it, cooler air By the weekend, cooler temperatures,
:27:39. > :27:39.but brighter weather. Before then, cloudy at times, some
:27:40. > :27:41.brighter spells on Thursday, a few showers on Thursday and Friday with
:27:42. > :27:41.a lot of cloud around. Tempdratures staying above average.
:27:42. > :27:56.Quite a bit The stage is set for the
:27:57. > :28:00.Party Conference Season 2014. Stay with BBC News
:28:01. > :28:02.for the key moments, including Conservative Party leader
:28:03. > :28:06.David Cameron's speech. On BBC TWO and with ongoing
:28:07. > :28:10.coverage on Radio 5 Live. The Party Conferences 2014,
:28:11. > :28:17.as they happen. There's so much more
:28:18. > :28:25.to this story than I thought. ..and even murder.
:28:26. > :28:28.With a knife!