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:00:00. > :00:00.Hello and welcome to Wednesday's Look East.

:00:07. > :00:11.but not an extremist - the former boss of the Westminster

:00:12. > :00:16.attacker says he wasn't radicalised in Luton.

:00:17. > :00:23.No contact with extremist groups. A practising Muslim, committed to his

:00:24. > :00:24.faith and family, focused on his career.

:00:25. > :00:35.and fears around the region as the UK starts to leave the EU.

:00:36. > :00:37.Silver skater - a Peterborough ice skater wins a medal

:00:38. > :00:39.at the Special Olympics - we talk to him

:00:40. > :00:46.And five months after being attacked, Finn the police dog gets

:00:47. > :00:51.ready to retire. First tonight, the former boss

:00:52. > :00:54.of the Westminster attacker has told BBC Look East that he was not

:00:55. > :00:58.radicalised in Luton. Khalid Masood killed four

:00:59. > :01:00.people in his murderous Five years ago he was working

:01:01. > :01:08.at a language school in Luton. A colleague there says

:01:09. > :01:10.he was not involved And that tallies with comments

:01:11. > :01:13.from Bedfordshire Police We'll hear from the director

:01:14. > :01:18.of the school in a moment, Khalid Masood, who killed

:01:19. > :01:24.and caused horrific injuries. A man who taught English

:01:25. > :01:33.as a foreign language in Luton. In the classes where he worked,

:01:34. > :01:36.described as a good teacher. He would pray here

:01:37. > :01:40.during his lunch break. A Muslim, but he was no extremist,

:01:41. > :01:48.his former boss told us. This is the street where he first

:01:49. > :01:51.lived in Luton, spending around It is known by the time he moved

:01:52. > :01:55.here, he had already converted to Islam and changed his name

:01:56. > :01:58.to Khalid Masood. But the police say, at that time,

:01:59. > :02:00.there was no evidence I would more described him

:02:01. > :02:09.as somebody who has been exploited. He has come up from

:02:10. > :02:14.the basement, so to speak. To commit a murderous

:02:15. > :02:16.and cowardly attack. Muslims in the town say

:02:17. > :02:22.Khalid Masood was not known to them. They don't know which mosque

:02:23. > :02:25.he played at, and he most certainly We really don't know

:02:26. > :02:32.what he was up to in Luton. But what we can say is,

:02:33. > :02:39.if he was doing those when he was in Luton,

:02:40. > :02:42.if he was radicalised, we would have known

:02:43. > :02:43.about it straightaway. Because at that time,

:02:44. > :02:46.the police and many other community organisations knew who the people,

:02:47. > :02:48.the extreme individuals are. Who we need to counter,

:02:49. > :02:50.we need to speak against. However, he wasn't one

:02:51. > :02:55.of the individuals we saw outside standing on the street,

:02:56. > :02:57.giving leaflets. Once again, it is a town

:02:58. > :02:59.of defending itself But if Khalid Masood

:03:00. > :03:02.was radicalised, prominent voices within this community say it

:03:03. > :03:07.didn't happen here. And Mike Cartwright went to meet

:03:08. > :03:09.the former director of the language He says he was shocked to hear that

:03:10. > :03:14.Masood was responsible for the Westminster attacks,

:03:15. > :03:17.but says the man he knew This is Farasat's first

:03:18. > :03:20.television interview. He asked that we didn't

:03:21. > :03:24.reveal his full identity. What went through your mind

:03:25. > :03:27.when you knew for sure it was him? He asked me, the way he asked me

:03:28. > :03:47.was quite dismissive. I don't think he was influenced

:03:48. > :03:51.by extremist groups at all. The attack that they,

:03:52. > :03:54.was it a terror attack? I haven't spoken

:03:55. > :03:57.to him for four years. I don't think the attack

:03:58. > :03:59.was motivated by his religion. What did he do, what

:04:00. > :04:12.did he talk about? He was friendly.

:04:13. > :04:21.Very serious about his job. I don't know about outside interest

:04:22. > :04:24.except training, he was very much The last person I thought

:04:25. > :04:32.were to a hideous act like he did. When he heard that the EDL

:04:33. > :04:36.were coming to Luton. Very upset they were

:04:37. > :04:39.being allowed to march. That is probably the first time

:04:40. > :04:42.I saw any emotion from him. There is no suggestion he was not

:04:43. > :04:46.radicalised in Luton. To learn that he probably

:04:47. > :04:48.wasn't must be some I mean, many other journalists

:04:49. > :05:00.asking what mosque did he pray in. The question is

:05:01. > :05:02.completely irrelevant. Irrespective of the most keep

:05:03. > :05:04.reading, none of the mosques If it did, they would be

:05:05. > :05:08.closed down tomorrow. He was very focused on his family,

:05:09. > :05:11.his career, and just He was already on the straight

:05:12. > :05:15.and narrow, he was keen Definitely, his period in Luton,

:05:16. > :05:21.and before, he wasn't a radical. In prison, in Saudi Arabia,

:05:22. > :05:24.and in the period he spent in Luton. If he was, I would have

:05:25. > :05:28.identified those signs. As we've been hearing,

:05:29. > :05:30.the UK Government has formally started the process for Britain

:05:31. > :05:34.to leave the European Union - enacting the referendum

:05:35. > :05:38.result of nine months ago. And while our region as a whole

:05:39. > :05:41.marginally backed Brexit - there were big differences

:05:42. > :05:45.within it. In Cambridgeshire 40

:05:46. > :05:49.miles separates Wisbech - where 71% voted Leave -

:05:50. > :05:52.and Cambridge where Our political reporter

:05:53. > :06:08.Mousumi Bakshi joins us now Cambridge was one of just five areas

:06:09. > :06:13.in the East of England to vote remain. An international city. One

:06:14. > :06:16.of the major concerns, the impact it could have on students and companies

:06:17. > :06:21.choosing to invest here. But the triggering of Article 50 was

:06:22. > :06:24.welcomed here in Wisbech, where people had been worried by rising

:06:25. > :06:26.levels of migration. Poles apart, but part

:06:27. > :06:28.of the same county. When it came to in our out,

:06:29. > :06:34.Cambridge and Wisbech reacted very Almost 74% of voters in Cambridge

:06:35. > :06:41.wanted to stay in the EU. One of the biggest Remain

:06:42. > :06:43.votes in the country. The city has a large European

:06:44. > :07:01.population, and last week, the Lib Dem leader

:07:02. > :07:04.are sought to reassure them. I often say to people

:07:05. > :07:06.who are EU nationals who are panicking about the future, I

:07:07. > :07:10.say, I am 90% sure you will be fine. But Brexit has made many

:07:11. > :07:12.foreign investors nervous. We are probably looking

:07:13. > :07:14.to set up more offices in the continental Europe

:07:15. > :07:15.because of this. As I mentioned earlier,

:07:16. > :07:18.yesterday I had an e-mail from the Germans asking me to move our

:07:19. > :07:20.business over there. A lot of people from home asking me

:07:21. > :07:23.if I felt any hostile But, no, to be fair, I think

:07:24. > :07:27.Cambridge is a Since Brexit, it raises

:07:28. > :07:30.a bit of uncertainty. For some members of

:07:31. > :07:32.our team from Europe. They say, oh, what

:07:33. > :07:34.will happen in the Cambridge may boast some of the most

:07:35. > :07:41.intelligent minds in the But it was the Brexiteers

:07:42. > :07:44.of Fenland who saw More than 71% of people

:07:45. > :07:48.here in Wisbech opted For many, today could

:07:49. > :07:51.not come soon enough. We just had an influx

:07:52. > :07:53.of people coming in. We haven't got enough schools,

:07:54. > :07:58.the hospitals are overflowing. We have the right to

:07:59. > :08:00.rule our own country. I think

:08:01. > :08:13.we should rule ourselves anyway. But for some, the past

:08:14. > :08:15.nine months has Mum and dad wanted

:08:16. > :08:19.to leave, the children wanted to remain, and

:08:20. > :08:21.now, second thoughts. My daughter was really,

:08:22. > :08:22.really disappointed. One of the things she said

:08:23. > :08:25.to me, she said, you That is quite hard to

:08:26. > :08:29.take first thing in the I reflect back on it, you think,

:08:30. > :08:36.did I make the right But it is, we don't know how

:08:37. > :08:42.it is going to be for We may now be in the departure

:08:43. > :08:47.lounge as we prepare to leave the But which direction

:08:48. > :08:59.we take remains unknown. As you saw, uncertainty about what

:09:00. > :09:05.Brexit might look like and how it might affect people. The family in

:09:06. > :09:07.Wisbech may have had second thoughts, but broadly speaking,

:09:08. > :09:11.people pragmatic here about their future. Those people staunchly

:09:12. > :09:13.opposed to Brexit here in Cambridge, they are now considering their next

:09:14. > :09:15.move. As the clock starts ticking,

:09:16. > :09:17.businesses across this region will be watching

:09:18. > :09:24.the negotiations closely. Our local car industry has

:09:25. > :09:27.a turnover of nearly ?3.5 billion employs more than nine

:09:28. > :09:28.thousand people. And those figures don't

:09:29. > :09:30.include the national firms Nationally, the industry accounts

:09:31. > :09:38.for 12% of all UK exports. So there's lots at stake,

:09:39. > :09:40.but also opportunities, Automatic parking technology

:09:41. > :09:55.being tested here in Milton Keynes. The firm SBD Automotive helps

:09:56. > :09:57.develop new onboard systems. Trading with countries

:09:58. > :09:58.around the world. Today, as Britain begins

:09:59. > :10:04.the process of leaving the EU, the question of what it will mean

:10:05. > :10:07.to let go seems a difficult I don't think anybody knows

:10:08. > :10:10.any specific details. We see that as an

:10:11. > :10:12.opportunity, I think. We deal with customers

:10:13. > :10:14.all around the world. More scope to get to Europe, to

:10:15. > :10:21.travel to Europe, visit customers. But I don't really see barriers

:10:22. > :10:24.being put in front of us. SBD works with car manufacturers

:10:25. > :10:30.to improve on-board technology. Some of those firms

:10:31. > :10:35.are within the EU. It seems at the moment the Brexit

:10:36. > :10:40.effect has been a lucrative one. So far, it has had, in terms

:10:41. > :10:43.of the pound going down, it has had a positive impact

:10:44. > :10:46.because most of our There are downsides, of course,

:10:47. > :10:51.but from our perspective, Hopefully, Brexit negotiations can

:10:52. > :10:55.be kept on a positive note. So that it doesn't cause

:10:56. > :11:01.any potential issues. 20 miles down the M1,

:11:02. > :11:10.and the Vauxhall factory Parent company GM is selling

:11:11. > :11:19.is European arm to the French owner While it won't mean plant closures,

:11:20. > :11:29.it is thought to negotiations could But we will be making

:11:30. > :11:37.certain that it is a Brexit on our terms, on the terms

:11:38. > :11:39.of ordinary working people. So we can secure the

:11:40. > :11:41.future for the plant. The type of trade deal we might

:11:42. > :11:44.secure is absolutely critical We saw a peak in production back

:11:45. > :11:48.in 1972, again in 1999. We don't want Brexit to be yet

:11:49. > :11:50.another turning point. It is key we avoid tariff barriers,

:11:51. > :11:54.but also that we have a regulatory agreement with Europe so we can

:11:55. > :11:57.avoid any other barriers to cars Back in Milton Keynes,

:11:58. > :12:03.and while ministers navigate our exit from the union,

:12:04. > :12:05.this firm is about to open It seems likely to be

:12:06. > :12:09.a long road ahead. So how far will the public be

:12:10. > :12:21.updated as the Brexit A professor of European Law

:12:22. > :12:25.at the University of Cambridge, Catherine Barnard, joined me

:12:26. > :12:27.in the studio earlier - and I began by asking if we'll hear

:12:28. > :12:31.news on trade or immigration deals The EU itself is talking

:12:32. > :12:36.about being a very transparent and having

:12:37. > :12:38.all the detail on the website. If it is the case,

:12:39. > :12:41.of course, we will get the It is putting pressure

:12:42. > :12:47.on the UK to say, what once the information coming out

:12:48. > :13:00.from the EU side, we will pick it up We will have a reasonable idea

:13:01. > :13:04.of what is going on. What about free movement

:13:05. > :13:06.of EU workers, then? Do you think there

:13:07. > :13:10.will be a kind of mixed formula whereby skilled

:13:11. > :13:12.workers, scientists, to come and work here and vice

:13:13. > :13:20.versa, unskilled workers won't, or is that kind of thing

:13:21. > :13:22.far too complicated? The Government, the message coming

:13:23. > :13:25.out from the Government at the moment, is that it is not in favour

:13:26. > :13:28.of having separate deals. So then the issue is, do we apply

:13:29. > :13:30.a non-discriminatory approach? And EU workers are

:13:31. > :13:32.treated in exactly the same way as Pakistani, Canadian,

:13:33. > :13:34.Indian workers are treated? Or, as part of the

:13:35. > :13:36.future negotiations, will there still be some sort

:13:37. > :13:39.of arrangement whereby a more relaxed work permit scheme applies

:13:40. > :13:43.to EU workers, and it is still easier to

:13:44. > :13:47.come to the UK as an EU worker as, Businesses here have got a really

:13:48. > :13:51.strong feelings about that. This is an issue for

:13:52. > :13:56.lobbying their MPs. To explain to their MPs

:13:57. > :13:58.what their particular Contacting the Department

:13:59. > :14:03.for Exiting the European Union. So they actually get

:14:04. > :14:05.to know what the And also responding

:14:06. > :14:09.to Select Committee There are a lot of them taking

:14:10. > :14:14.place at the moment. Just to explain what

:14:15. > :14:16.is going on in their The Prime Minister

:14:17. > :14:19.famously said that no deal Is it?

:14:20. > :14:25.Is no deal possible? People say there is a 50-50 chance.

:14:26. > :14:28.That there might be no deal at all. I think it will be in

:14:29. > :14:34.the country's interest and in the EU's that a deal

:14:35. > :14:37.is struck so that certainty I am sure I will be coming back

:14:38. > :14:41.to you when the time Other news now, and flights

:14:42. > :14:53.to Stansted Airport The runway was closed

:14:54. > :15:02.for nearly an hour and a half. The protesters were

:15:03. > :15:05.objecting to people being Five police officers will face no

:15:06. > :15:08.charges over the way they dealt with a man who broke his neck

:15:09. > :15:12.during an incident outside a Bedford 23-year-old student Julian Cole

:15:13. > :15:15.suffered severe brain damage The Crown Prosecution Service says

:15:16. > :15:18.there is insufficient The police watchdog had recommended

:15:19. > :15:23.disciplinary charges be brought, and Mr Cole's mother has said

:15:24. > :15:25.she will seek a review Bedfordshire Police says

:15:26. > :15:28.a gross misconduct hearing Cambridge University is set

:15:29. > :15:39.to receive ?40 million from the Health Foundation to fund

:15:40. > :15:41.new research Based at the Cambridge Biomedical

:15:42. > :15:44.Campus and Homerton College, the new research institute will be

:15:45. > :15:47.the first of its kind in Europe. The idea is to develop large scale

:15:48. > :15:51.evidence across the NHS about how You're watching Look

:15:52. > :15:59.East from the BBC. Alex will have our weather shortly -

:16:00. > :16:01.with temperatures And also ahead: police

:16:02. > :16:06.dogs put their paces - vying for a place in

:16:07. > :16:13.the national trials. A skater from Peterborough

:16:14. > :16:15.has won a silver medal Calum Titmus - who has autism -

:16:16. > :16:23.won the medal at the world winter games for athletes

:16:24. > :16:25.with intellectual disabilities. James Burridge has been

:16:26. > :16:28.to his family home in Great Gidding Callum Titmus, born

:16:29. > :16:56.to perform on the big stage. Tell me about Austria.

:16:57. > :17:04.What was the best bit? This was his routine,

:17:05. > :17:15.to his favourite tune Callum is such a ham

:17:16. > :17:33.he will raise his game for a performance and

:17:34. > :17:35.that was the biggest I knew he might not win,

:17:36. > :17:39.but I knew that Callum would perform on the day.

:17:40. > :17:42.He always does. It was even watched by two

:17:43. > :17:45.of Britain's most famous skaters. Absolutely.

:17:46. > :17:55.Sure, yes. We did a healthy athlete programme

:17:56. > :18:01.and one of the doctors asked him if he had made any new friends

:18:02. > :18:04.and he said Chris and Jane. Quite heavy.

:18:05. > :18:08.Yes. My favourite medal.

:18:09. > :18:17.Yes. Team Titmus are already planning

:18:18. > :18:27.for his next sporting triumph, an indoor rowing championship

:18:28. > :18:30.followed by another ice skating The fun never stops,

:18:31. > :18:44.and neither will the medals. injured as he apprehended

:18:45. > :18:51.a criminal? Well, he's not only back at work -

:18:52. > :18:55.he's now competing to be the best Dogs and handlers from

:18:56. > :18:57.the Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire forces took part

:18:58. > :19:00.in the Eastern Regional Police Dog Trials today -

:19:01. > :19:02.with the best going forward Our region's best police dogs put

:19:03. > :19:13.through their paces. Like your arm is in a vice.

:19:14. > :19:33.It is really, really hard. You can't feel the teeth

:19:34. > :19:36.through the sleeve, but you can feel Alongside Tex, Raxor

:19:37. > :19:43.and Evo, is Finn. An eight-year-old German

:19:44. > :19:46.shepherd who almost lost his life last October

:19:47. > :19:52.after he was stabbed in Stevenage. I think that is him saying

:19:53. > :19:55.he doesn't want to. Today, a limp stopped him

:19:56. > :19:57.performing to his best. But his handler still

:19:58. > :20:00.proud and grateful. Without Finn being there that night,

:20:01. > :20:03.I probably wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have been able

:20:04. > :20:08.to go home to my family. It was a stage where

:20:09. > :20:10.we were not sure. We were not sure whether Finn

:20:11. > :20:14.was going to make it. Even before that, we had had

:20:15. > :20:16.a long career together. Obviously, since that,

:20:17. > :20:21.he is my partner. This boy retires tomorrow,

:20:22. > :20:29.his legacy, Finn's Law, The hope is that police animals

:20:30. > :20:36.attacked in the line of duty get It is really important,

:20:37. > :20:44.I think, to recognise how valuable the dogs are,

:20:45. > :20:46.the bravery they showed. We often talk about how brave

:20:47. > :20:48.officers are, but actually, the dogs put their lives on the line

:20:49. > :20:52.all the time as well to protect It is vitally important

:20:53. > :20:56.there is something there Despite injury, Finn still picked up

:20:57. > :21:00.three titles this afternoon. What does a dog like

:21:01. > :21:04.this do in retirement? He has already got a trip planned

:21:05. > :21:10.to the seaside next week. As a police dog, they are not

:21:11. > :21:13.allowed out of the county. He has only ever been

:21:14. > :21:17.to the seaside once. And then, just put up

:21:18. > :21:26.his paws and relax. Let's go back to the main

:21:27. > :21:29.story of the day now - the Prime Minister's triggering

:21:30. > :21:31.of Article 50 to start A big day for Westminster so let's

:21:32. > :21:38.go there now and join our political Andrew what's the reaction

:21:39. > :21:49.been down there today?. The Prime Minister said that today

:21:50. > :21:53.was a day of celebration, for some, a day of this appointment for

:21:54. > :22:01.others. Four members of the league campaign, close to tears today. --

:22:02. > :22:07.for members of the Leave campaign. Putting a brave face on it. But the

:22:08. > :22:11.Bedfordshire MP, a grim faced, sat with his arms folded throughout the

:22:12. > :22:15.statement. There was in the Leave campaign says it will be a success.

:22:16. > :22:30.Otherwise, not so sure. Few days in politics where you can

:22:31. > :22:33.really say it is an ultra More important than most general

:22:34. > :22:38.elections we have had. This is the day when

:22:39. > :22:40.we can really begin to believe that the governing party,

:22:41. > :22:43.that was a Remain party, is fully I am absolutely certain,

:22:44. > :22:48.when we come out of the EU, we are going to be better off

:22:49. > :22:50.financially, democratically. That is what the British people

:22:51. > :22:52.realise, that is why My concern is that we are

:22:53. > :22:58.entering a period of No-one really knows

:22:59. > :23:01.how this is going to My worry is that it is not really

:23:02. > :23:05.two years to negotiate this. It looks much more

:23:06. > :23:07.like 14 of 15 months. We could end up in a situation

:23:08. > :23:10.at the end where we just If that happens, it

:23:11. > :23:14.would be very damaging. Particularly for an area

:23:15. > :23:16.like Cambridge and the East of England which relies

:23:17. > :23:31.so much on our links What are the most important issues

:23:32. > :23:38.for our region? Conducted nationally, but there are some

:23:39. > :23:40.things... We have lost him again. We will try to go back to him at the

:23:41. > :24:03.end. Now, the weather. Temperatures got a 16 or 17 today.

:24:04. > :24:08.From the satellite image, you can see this weather system has pushed

:24:09. > :24:13.the clouds across a lot of the country today. The odd shower and

:24:14. > :24:17.drizzle. Not an entirely dry picture for this evening and overnight. Not

:24:18. > :24:24.a complete wash-out. Some areas of the showery rain. As we move through

:24:25. > :24:30.the night. Staying cloudy, but by the end of the night, still quite

:24:31. > :24:34.damp, the odd shower still possible. Tomorrow, we start with temperatures

:24:35. > :24:37.not dropping lower than 10 Celsius. Staying in double figures with a

:24:38. > :24:45.light to moderate south-westerly wind. First thing, the odd shower.

:24:46. > :24:50.The weather system to our West. A slight change in wind direction,

:24:51. > :24:54.more of a southerly, dry, continental area. Pushing the cloud

:24:55. > :25:00.out of the way. More sunshine, we should see. Saudi note, the odd

:25:01. > :25:08.shower, gradually the cloud is expected to shift and break. Good

:25:09. > :25:14.spells of sunshine in -- expected. 19 Celcius, perhaps even higher.

:25:15. > :25:19.Light to moderate southerly wind. A bit of a breeze, but in any surgeon,

:25:20. > :25:25.feeling quite present. A little cooler on the coastal areas. Part of

:25:26. > :25:28.Suffolk and Essex. Generally, pretty respectable temperatures for this

:25:29. > :25:33.time of year. Good spells of sunshine for the abdomen. They find

:25:34. > :25:42.a expected. Then, changes on the way. -- slightly cooler, pressure

:25:43. > :25:47.conditions for the weekend in this cold front. It was expected later,

:25:48. > :25:52.we would hold onto the warm weather, but now it looks like it will move

:25:53. > :25:56.through quickly. After a dry start, some rain moving after the cloud.

:25:57. > :26:03.Temperatures back into the mid teens. Showers around on Saturday.

:26:04. > :26:07.The odd heavy one. High pressure building in for Sunday will settle

:26:08. > :26:14.things. We should see some good spells of such a on Sunday. A little

:26:15. > :26:19.cooler and fresher. The ten lucky, back to our political

:26:20. > :26:25.correspondence. Andrew, the key issues in these negotiations? A lot

:26:26. > :26:31.of people broadcasting from down here, sorry. Conducted nationally,

:26:32. > :26:36.but a fewer things to watch closely in the East. Top of the list,

:26:37. > :26:39.science and technology, will we be able to continue the corporation

:26:40. > :26:43.which our scientists any Cambridge and Bedfordshire have with

:26:44. > :26:48.scientists across the European Union? Ease of movement, those

:26:49. > :26:52.organisations need to be able to get the brightest and best to come over

:26:53. > :26:56.here to work. Our farmers need agricultural workers to pick the

:26:57. > :27:04.harvest. Care homes and NHS rely heavily on EU nationals as well.

:27:05. > :27:09.Then things like airports. Luton Airport, Stansted. Universities like

:27:10. > :27:14.Cambridge and Anglia Ruskin. Hoping student exchanges will continue. All

:27:15. > :27:29.affected by this, and it all starts now. Thank you.

:27:30. > :27:42.A rare Ferrari has been sold for the East Anglian Air Ambulance charity.

:27:43. > :27:46.Once, the ambulance came to the aid of a fellow Ferrari driver. Have a

:27:47. > :27:52.good evening. I expect you'll want to become

:27:53. > :27:54.a schoolmaster? That's what most of the gentlemen

:27:55. > :27:57.does that get sent down for indecent behaviour.

:27:58. > :27:59.Evelyn Waugh's classic novel. Have you ever been in love,

:28:00. > :28:02.Mr Pennyfeather? No, not yet. The fire escape is very dangerous

:28:03. > :28:04.and never to be used, MasterChef is back, to find the

:28:05. > :28:17.country's best home chef. The MasterChef kitchen is alive once

:28:18. > :28:22.more. Come on, let's go! That's one of the hardest things

:28:23. > :28:30.I've ever had to do in my life.