01/07/2011

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:00:04. > :00:07.Good evening, and welcome to BBC Look North. The headlines tonight:

:00:07. > :00:17.How foreign workers are keeping industries in East Yorkshire and

:00:17. > :00:17.

:00:17. > :00:23.Lincolnshire alive. You can only employed people who come for the

:00:23. > :00:27.jobs. We have around 70 % of migrant workers at the factory.

:00:27. > :00:35.The Lincoln mum fighting to save a heart unit from closing as final

:00:35. > :00:40.appeals are made. It caused us a great worry to not know where the

:00:40. > :00:49.future will be. And a new kit for Lincoln City as

:00:49. > :00:56.the team prepares for life outside the Football League. I am live at

:00:56. > :01:01.RAF Waddington. These aircraft are preparing to take to the skies and

:01:01. > :01:08.entertain around 100,000 people and will there be sunshine over the

:01:08. > :01:14.weekend? I will have the sole forecast later.

:01:14. > :01:17.-- the full forecast. "We'd be lost without them." That

:01:17. > :01:23.is the view of agricultural leaders in Lincolnshire about their non-

:01:23. > :01:26.British workforce. But the Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan

:01:26. > :01:31.Smith, is urging businesses to take on more unemployed Britons and stop

:01:31. > :01:34.relying on labour from abroad. Tonight, there are calls for the

:01:34. > :01:44.government to provide better training to make the british

:01:44. > :01:44.

:01:44. > :01:48.workforce more suitable. Paul Murphy has the story.

:01:48. > :01:52.Two-thirds of the workforce at this onion packing factory are migrants.

:01:52. > :01:56.That is not unusual in the Lincolnshire food processing

:01:56. > :02:01.industry. This company says it tries to recruit British workers,

:02:01. > :02:07.but struggles to find them. You can only employed the people who come

:02:07. > :02:13.for the jobs. We have around 70 % of migrant workers at the factory,

:02:13. > :02:19.and the majority of jobs that we have advertised we get very few

:02:19. > :02:23.English, British people coming for the interviews. Iain Duncan-Smith's

:02:23. > :02:28.comments signal a clear hardening of the stands on the use of migrant

:02:28. > :02:32.labour. We have to ensure that our immigration service works in the

:02:33. > :02:39.interest of Britain, enabling us to make it realistic promise to our

:02:39. > :02:42.young people. The National Farmers' Union in Lincolnshire says the

:02:42. > :02:47.government needs to recognise that British workers can sometimes be

:02:47. > :02:51.unwilling or unsuitable for farm work. When employees have equipment

:02:51. > :02:55.worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, and we are expected to take

:02:56. > :02:59.young people on, we need an incentive to be able to train them

:02:59. > :03:05.properly. We also need the people to come with an ethic of wanting to

:03:05. > :03:10.work. Jobseeker's in Hull, and there are around 40 for every

:03:10. > :03:17.vacancy, say competition is fierce. For I think at the moment I am

:03:17. > :03:22.struggling to find work, a few years ago he it was easier. How I

:03:22. > :03:28.think a lot of the jobs are taken up by people who come from other

:03:28. > :03:33.countries. The British are lazy. There are so many jobs out there.

:03:33. > :03:37.But the do not like them. Back at the onion factory, they will tell

:03:37. > :03:44.you that nationality is irrelevant. They just want the best people for

:03:44. > :03:47.the job, and, at this point in time, few of them are British.

:03:47. > :03:51.Earlier, I spoke to Alp Mehmet from the independent body Migration

:03:51. > :04:01.Watch UK. He told me he supported what Iain Duncan Smith had said

:04:01. > :04:02.

:04:02. > :04:05.today. Of course, what he said needed to be said. For the first

:04:05. > :04:10.time, as soon knew a member of the government has had the guts to come

:04:10. > :04:14.out with something that a lot of people have known for a long time.

:04:14. > :04:19.We support and encourage and welcomed what he has said. There

:04:19. > :04:23.are jobs out there, particularly in this part of the world, in the

:04:23. > :04:31.agricultural sector. But employers say that British people do not want

:04:31. > :04:36.those jobs. Some may not want to, but what I look at is the overall

:04:36. > :04:40.figures. If we have nearly one million youngsters between 16 and

:04:40. > :04:46.24 unemployed. No one is telling me that out of that one million, there

:04:46. > :04:51.are not those who are desperate for work. But the employers are telling

:04:51. > :04:56.us, I have spoken to a farmer, they do not apply for the jobs. If he

:04:56. > :05:01.does not have the migrant workers, he does not have a work force.

:05:01. > :05:06.you look at particular areas, there may be difficulties. But I am sure

:05:06. > :05:09.that a new area, there are many people outside the agricultural

:05:09. > :05:13.sector who are desperate for work, and they would have liked an

:05:13. > :05:19.opportunity. It the migrant workers do not do the jobs, and British

:05:19. > :05:23.people do, that will cost, it will cost employers, and the tax payer

:05:24. > :05:26.will end up paying for that, won't they? For why should it do that?

:05:26. > :05:31.Why should we be paying for foreigners who come here looking

:05:31. > :05:36.for work and do not get it? Because the employers will have to pay more

:05:36. > :05:42.money. If you are saying that those who are being employed from

:05:42. > :05:46.overseas cost less, they are cheaper to employee, they are

:05:46. > :05:50.easier to hire and fire, they are easier to push around, I do not

:05:50. > :05:56.think that is a good enough reason to be employed in foreigners at the

:05:56. > :06:02.expense of British workers. What needs to change? I think that this

:06:02. > :06:06.is something that needs to go over a period. We need to look at

:06:06. > :06:10.apprenticeships, for example, apprenticeships were something that

:06:10. > :06:14.were a feature of the employment scene here over many years, and

:06:14. > :06:18.suddenly they seem to have disappeared. We need to look at

:06:18. > :06:21.that, and we need to encourage young people to get the necessary

:06:21. > :06:25.skills. But it is no good saying that we do not have the skills here,

:06:25. > :06:30.when we have one million people unemployed, who we could be

:06:30. > :06:33.training so that we have the skills base in the future. And then

:06:33. > :06:43.complaining in 10 years' time because we do not have those skills

:06:43. > :06:47.around, because we have not trained them. Thank you for your time.

:06:47. > :06:49.Many people are saying that Iain Duncan-Smith is very brave of for

:06:49. > :06:53.speaking out. What do you think about this story?

:06:53. > :06:56.Is it time for businesses to employ more British workers and rely less

:06:56. > :07:06.on foreign migrants? What impact would that have on an industry like

:07:06. > :07:25.

:07:25. > :07:29.agriculture in Lincolnshire? How local people have help to

:07:30. > :07:32.revive a struggling Lincolnshire town.

:07:33. > :07:36.It is claimed families of children with heart problems could face long

:07:36. > :07:39.journeys at times of extreme stress in order to get future treatment.

:07:39. > :07:45.The NHS is planning to close our nearest child heart surgery units

:07:45. > :07:50.in Leeds and Leicester in order to create new Centres of Excellence.

:07:50. > :07:57.The consultation ends today, with a decision expected later this year.

:07:57. > :07:59.Crispin Rolfe reports. A normal toddler playing ball. But

:07:59. > :08:03.Ed was born with heart complications, which have meant two

:08:03. > :08:07.major operations. Up until now, they have been conducted at the

:08:07. > :08:16.Child Heart Unit in Leicester. But that now faces closure, leaving mum

:08:16. > :08:19.Mel to wonder where her son's third operation will take place. It is

:08:20. > :08:24.easier to know you only have one hour to go down the road. To know

:08:24. > :08:29.that it could be two-and-a-half hours, it brings an amount of worry

:08:29. > :08:35.to any parent. It causes me so much worry to think we might not naked

:08:35. > :08:38.in time if he goes into heart failure. An NHS review could see

:08:38. > :08:40.specialist child heart units close in both Leicester and Leeds,

:08:40. > :08:43.forcing families to travel to Birmingham, London or Newcastle for

:08:43. > :08:47.future treatment. But with only 31 child heart surgeons in England and

:08:47. > :08:50.Wales, it is claimed a core of 6 or 7 specialist units would help staff

:08:50. > :09:00.improve their skills for the 3500 operations which take place each

:09:00. > :09:04.

:09:04. > :09:09.year. Although some parents agree with the mauve, others are

:09:09. > :09:13.protesting. The committee that is giving this recommendation will go

:09:13. > :09:19.through all the documents that have been sent through the consultation

:09:19. > :09:24.period over the last four months, and then we will come to some

:09:24. > :09:27.recommendations of which centres to stay open and which to close.

:09:27. > :09:30.Hull mum Julie Chambers is supporting the move. Her daughter

:09:30. > :09:37.Zoe underwent a heart transplant in Newcastle, which helped prolong her

:09:37. > :09:42.short life. I would travel to the end of the earth to get at. So

:09:42. > :09:46.travel is important, but I do it all the time, and I would do it

:09:46. > :09:49.again. Today has been the last day of this consultation, and for

:09:49. > :09:52.families like Mel's it is as much about the uncertainty as the

:09:52. > :09:55.distance or change. But when the decision is made this autumn, it

:09:55. > :10:00.seems likely that in Ed faces a long journey for the treatment

:10:00. > :10:02.which will help him lead a healthy life.

:10:02. > :10:05.Earlier I spoke to Cecilia Yardley from the Children's Heart

:10:05. > :10:15.Federation and asked her what the benefits of these changes would be

:10:15. > :10:23.for patients. These changes are all about bringing better care for

:10:24. > :10:27.children, better care at the time of surgery and also ongoing. So

:10:27. > :10:32.parents should be reassured that their children will have a better

:10:32. > :10:36.quality of life after these changes. Some parents are saying they have

:10:36. > :10:40.to travel further afield at already distressing times. And that it will

:10:40. > :10:46.put added pressure on them and maybe even put the children's lives

:10:46. > :10:51.at risk? We are taking very seriously those concerns, and we

:10:51. > :10:56.have asked for particularly -- particular help for families on low

:10:56. > :11:00.income has war who do not have access to a car. Most children only

:11:00. > :11:05.need one operation. So the surgery changes and the travelling should

:11:05. > :11:09.not affect families on an ongoing basis. The cardiology services, the

:11:09. > :11:12.ongoing care and support will remain in the same places. Is there

:11:12. > :11:18.not a danger that this is more about saving money than saving

:11:18. > :11:22.lives? No, in fact, this review has grown out of the Bristol baby

:11:22. > :11:27.tragedy, where it became clear that it was very important to bring

:11:27. > :11:32.surgeons together into larger teams, doing more operations, to build up

:11:32. > :11:40.their skills. This is an entirely clinically driven programme, to

:11:40. > :11:43.make the lives of children better for them. Thank you for your time.

:11:43. > :11:47.Pig farmers from East Yorkshire have been demanding a fairer deal

:11:47. > :11:50.for their fellow farmers from one of the world's biggest retailers.

:11:50. > :11:54.Tesco says it is working with the pig industry to help suppliers deal

:11:54. > :12:03.with rising costs. But that didn't stop demonstrations which were held

:12:03. > :12:08.outside the supermarket's annual general meeting today. Major

:12:08. > :12:13.retailers are making on average �16 million per week profit out of the

:12:13. > :12:17.pigs that pig farmers sell to them. If but the farmers are losing �3

:12:17. > :12:21.million per week on those same animals. If there is something

:12:21. > :12:24.fundamentally wrong when there is that imbalance, and I see no reason

:12:24. > :12:30.why I should be subsidising the profits of the shareholders in that

:12:30. > :12:34.meeting. Investigators say an electrical

:12:34. > :12:38.fault sparked a fire at a Lincolnshire nightclub. People were

:12:38. > :12:44.rescued last night after the fire took hold. More than 35

:12:44. > :12:47.firefighters were called out to deal with the incident.

:12:47. > :12:55.Still ahead tonight: Lincoln City unveil their new kit

:12:55. > :13:05.as the team prepares for life outside the Football League.

:13:05. > :13:39.

:13:39. > :13:44.And Waddington prepares for the It has been a lovely Day Today, and

:13:44. > :13:49.we have seen some sunshine. That will be the story through the

:13:49. > :13:52.weekend. Bright, sunny at times and mostly dry. There will be at a

:13:52. > :13:58.range of high-pressure keeping the weather settled through the weekend

:13:58. > :14:03.and at the start of next week. Earlier, we have broken cloud.

:14:03. > :14:10.Three this evening, we are looking at broken cloud overnight. There

:14:10. > :14:18.will be some clear spells, the wind will be lighter. Temperatures of 10

:14:18. > :14:28.to 12 degrees Celsius. The sun will rise tomorrow morning at 4:35am,

:14:28. > :14:30.

:14:30. > :14:35.and set at 9:25pm. Tomorrow, Don is bright, there will be patches of

:14:35. > :14:39.cloud, but they will move around to the cause of the day. There will be

:14:39. > :14:47.spells of sunshine, there is the chance of a light shower, but for

:14:47. > :14:51.most of us it will be dry. A decent amount of sunshine, Variable cloud,

:14:51. > :14:56.and temperatures tomorrow should be higher than today, the breeze will

:14:56. > :15:04.be light and variable, around 16 degrees Celsius on the coast, but

:15:04. > :15:08.17-20 degrees Celsius in Lincoln. Overnight and into Sunday, it will

:15:08. > :15:17.be a cool night, temperatures down to 10 degrees Celsius. But on

:15:17. > :15:21.Sunday, there sunshine continues. For the start of next week, it will

:15:21. > :15:26.turn a milder with south-westerly winds. Temperatures around 23

:15:26. > :15:36.degrees Celsius on Monday, a risk of showers on Tuesday are still

:15:36. > :15:48.

:15:48. > :15:52.feeling warm. Pubs closing, shops being boarded

:15:52. > :15:54.up, and falling school numbers - we are constantly being told how our

:15:54. > :15:57.rural communities are struggling to survive. But one town in

:15:57. > :15:59.Lincolnshire appears to be bucking the trend. Millions of pounds have

:15:59. > :16:03.been invested in regeneration, and new businesses are opening every

:16:03. > :16:13.month. Vicky Johnson has been to Caistor to see how they are doing

:16:13. > :16:15.

:16:15. > :16:21.it. There is a real sense of renewal and optimism here. These

:16:21. > :16:25.architects and builders have been behind the improvements. I think we

:16:25. > :16:30.did eight projects in total. They claim it has been a big community

:16:30. > :16:34.effort, with counsellors helping them access grant funding. It is

:16:34. > :16:38.nice to have worked on such a success. Along with the district

:16:38. > :16:43.council and all of the teams that have been involved. It has been a

:16:43. > :16:47.complete success story. Much as that success is down to this man,

:16:47. > :16:54.Roy Schofield. He spent more than 10 years lobbying the various

:16:54. > :17:03.bodies for money. For his conversion of a chapel interest

:17:03. > :17:07.projects. The first chunk of money was at the heritage initiative the.

:17:07. > :17:14.That was �1.6 million. Their county council put some money into

:17:14. > :17:18.renovate the cans bed -- the market place. This investment seems to be

:17:18. > :17:24.paying off. A restaurant and bar opens just three weeks ago, also

:17:24. > :17:29.new to the town are an equestrian outfitters and a deli and catering

:17:29. > :17:39.business. It just proves confidence in the people and the town itself,

:17:39. > :17:43.

:17:43. > :17:48.the whole place looks a bit smarter and that is an a way of getting

:17:48. > :17:53.people to come. I have noticed the shops, everything looks prettier.

:17:53. > :18:02.It has smartened up no end over the last couple years full stope they

:18:02. > :18:09.have been lots of changes. Yuri Gagarin's renaissance is an example

:18:09. > :18:14.of what can be achieved when people power is mobilised -- Caistor.

:18:14. > :18:19.There are still a number of facilities that need to be in the

:18:19. > :18:24.centre is, so yes, there are still buildings that we could live cat.

:18:24. > :18:29.Caistor is certainly under going quite a transportation, and there

:18:29. > :18:32.are whispers of yet more investment in the pipeline. So others

:18:32. > :18:41.struggling communities could certainly learn a lesson or two

:18:41. > :18:45.from the people of this town. It is one of the biggest events in

:18:46. > :18:51.the Lincolnshire Callander, with more than 100,000 people expected

:18:51. > :18:59.at the Waddington airshow. But it is not just about funfair rides and

:18:59. > :19:04.fast jets, it is a vital fundraiser a. Philip Norton reports.

:19:04. > :19:09.It has grown to become the largest RAF air show in the country. It

:19:09. > :19:13.brings in around 100,000 visitors every year. It is enormous, the

:19:13. > :19:17.single biggest engagement event in the East Midlands, the biggest

:19:17. > :19:21.thing that the Royal Air Force does in terms of putting itself on show.

:19:21. > :19:26.It is a great opportunity for us to bring people into our lives, and

:19:26. > :19:30.help them understand a bit about the air force. As well as the

:19:30. > :19:40.military aircraft, there is a lot of fun to be had. If there is a

:19:40. > :19:41.

:19:41. > :19:48.fair, stalls, exhibitions and music. They are aerobatic displays from

:19:48. > :19:52.this Thunderbirds and the Red Arrows. They have come all away

:19:52. > :19:57.from Las Vegas. Last time we were here it was the year 2000, we are

:19:57. > :20:04.very excited to be here, if we have a lot of demonstration teams from

:20:04. > :20:08.around the world and we are privileged to be part of this show.

:20:08. > :20:12.The Vulcan will also be flying, always a favourite at Waddington

:20:13. > :20:17.where it was based during the Cold War. It follows a funding campaign

:20:17. > :20:20.to return her to the skies. If the public have been very generous,

:20:20. > :20:25.because the commercial sponsorship is not happening and we are very

:20:25. > :20:29.dependent on the public's generosity. If there is also a

:20:29. > :20:34.serious side. If the event raises thousands of pounds for charity,

:20:34. > :20:40.including the RAF Benevolent Fund, which has helped Jacqui Thompson

:20:40. > :20:44.after her husband Gary was killed. It enabled me to try to live a

:20:44. > :20:51.normal life, knowing that one part of our lives were taking care of,

:20:51. > :20:54.and I would be able to help the girls, and be of use to them.

:20:54. > :20:57.final preparations now being made, and made all the noise and

:20:57. > :21:05.aerobatics it is easy to forget that this is a vital, working

:21:05. > :21:08.station. Around 25 % of our people are currently employed overseas.

:21:08. > :21:15.are currently employed overseas. Hopefully, this week we are focused

:21:15. > :21:21.on the air show here at Waddington. Those operations overseas will

:21:21. > :21:25.continue long after this weekend's extravaganza of.

:21:25. > :21:31.Philip is live at Waddington, probably looking very smug after

:21:31. > :21:35.that trip of a lifetime. What a highlight this weekend?

:21:36. > :21:40.It has been a glorious day, the sun is just going down and the forecast

:21:40. > :21:45.is good. But there have been many aircraft arriving over the last

:21:45. > :21:50.couple of days, including aircraft like this. If this is an Apache

:21:50. > :21:54.attack helicopter. There have been an ever increasing number of

:21:55. > :22:03.enthusiasts, the A 15 has been something to see, they have all

:22:03. > :22:08.been up on ladders trying to get a glimpse of aircraft like this. For

:22:08. > :22:13.and who better to ask what to look at than these enthusiasts? Here are

:22:13. > :22:20.their highlights. Thunderbirds, they are very good, very fast.

:22:20. > :22:29.Thunderbirds, definitely. It is just the aircraft and the skill of

:22:29. > :22:34.the men are flying the aeroplanes. With some forecast for the weekend,

:22:34. > :22:40.it promises to be lovely. The gates open at 8:00am, and the first

:22:40. > :22:45.display is at about 10am. If the organisers are advising people not

:22:45. > :22:51.to arrive before 10am -- a day and. It promises to be a great weekend.

:22:51. > :22:54.The advice, bring a bit of sun cream.

:22:54. > :22:57.Lincoln City has made its first summer signing on the day it

:22:57. > :23:00.revealed its new strip. The club aims to bounce back into the league

:23:00. > :23:10.after relegation last season. But as Simon Clark explains, Lincoln is

:23:10. > :23:12.

:23:12. > :23:16.still coming to terms with demotion. It is a significant departure.

:23:16. > :23:23.Thinner red-and-white stripes, and, at 10am, when the shirts went on

:23:23. > :23:27.sale, there were some he wanted to be first. I think it does look a

:23:27. > :23:34.lot better, it is a modern design and hopefully it will bring success

:23:34. > :23:38.this season. I have a collection of sheds at home, I like it.

:23:38. > :23:45.manager took time out to inspect the kids before naming his first

:23:45. > :23:53.signing of the summer, Jamie take. He scored 19 in all competitions

:23:53. > :24:00.last year, speaking to managers in the conference, I think it is

:24:00. > :24:06.important to have players that have had that little bit of experience.

:24:06. > :24:11.They are going to be the top two or three teams in the conference, size

:24:11. > :24:17.wise. So to come from a small club to Lincoln is a massive move for me.

:24:17. > :24:25.Relegation has cost up to �500,000. They are only tenor players signed

:24:25. > :24:30.on, and training starts next week. Lincoln City head off to their

:24:30. > :24:35.Brave New World. And unique, and a new shirt. But the big question

:24:35. > :24:39.remains - will a player wearing the shirt be holding the Conference

:24:39. > :24:44.trophy in May? This former captain and manager wants to see more

:24:44. > :24:48.activity. He says fans wants to see tangible action to bring confidence

:24:48. > :24:52.ahead of the new campaign. They have to try to get more localised

:24:52. > :24:58.players, and get the community spirit back. That is what has gone

:24:58. > :25:03.missing. And I think the supporters will always be behind them, but

:25:03. > :25:10.they just wants to see some proactive business going on. Link

:25:10. > :25:13.in a certainly hope to leave plenty of these.

:25:13. > :25:16.Three Lincoln City Ladies players were on the pitch as the England

:25:16. > :25:19.women's football team took on New Zealand. Sophie Bradley, Sue Smith

:25:19. > :25:22.and Jess Clarke were all chosen for the squad. New Zealand scored after

:25:22. > :25:26.17 minutes, with England taking an equaliser in the second half and

:25:26. > :25:34.then that winning goal came through 20 minutes later. The final score -

:25:34. > :25:37.England 2, New Zealand 1. Their next game is against Japan on

:25:37. > :25:39.Tuesday. Hull FC have travelled to St Helens

:25:39. > :25:43.with Kirk Yeaman for tonight's Superleague game following his

:25:43. > :25:51.medical scare last weekend. BBC Radio Humberside are on air now on

:25:51. > :26:01.95.9FM and online. Hull KR's home game against Wakefield on Sunday is

:26:01. > :26:06.

:26:06. > :26:10.also on FM and Online. The game kicks off at 3.30pm.

:26:10. > :26:12.They are known for their cunning, but a fox cub in East Yorkshire is

:26:13. > :26:22.having to have daily swimming lessons after getting trapped in a

:26:23. > :26:25.

:26:25. > :26:33.crisp packet. Basil, as she is known, is fitted with a life jacket.

:26:33. > :26:38.She then exercises in water to help rebuild strength in her broken hip.

:26:38. > :26:42.A daily dose of doggy paddle is exactly what the doctor ordered for

:26:42. > :26:47.Basil after she was found dehydrated and injured, trapped in

:26:47. > :26:52.a crisp packet. When she came in she was very poorly, extremely

:26:52. > :26:57.dehydrated, and it was a case of, make a decision, do we try for her

:26:57. > :27:03.or kindly let her go. And we decided to give her a chance.

:27:03. > :27:08.helps to strengthen her broken hip. But she is not been tamed! Bahrain

:27:08. > :27:14.is not to turn her into a pet, but you get her released back into the

:27:14. > :27:18.wild. The quicker we can get her back into the wild, the less chance

:27:18. > :27:23.she has of being humanised, Laura both becoming reliant on people or

:27:23. > :27:33.even being too friendly with them. After all that exercise, a well-

:27:33. > :27:40.earned rest. She has become a East Yorkshire's fantastic Mrs Fox.

:27:40. > :27:43.A recap of the main headlines: Andy Murray's Wimbledon hopes have come

:27:43. > :27:48.to an end. He was beaten in the semi-finals

:27:48. > :27:52.for the second year in a row. And as the Government urges

:27:52. > :27:56.businesses to employ it more or Britons, agricultural leaders say

:27:56. > :28:01.they would be lost without foreign workers.

:28:01. > :28:08.Tomorrow's weather: at a bright day, stop temperatures of 20 degrees

:28:08. > :28:13.Celsius. Responses are coming in on the

:28:13. > :28:23.subject of migrant and British workers. Steve says that people in

:28:23. > :28:28.this country do not want to work. - - do want to work. My son has

:28:28. > :28:32.applied for 20 apprenticeships. This e-mail says that employers

:28:32. > :28:34.need to be aware that English citizens may feel they are