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:00:00. > :00:00.from the BBC News at Six. So it's goodbye from me, and on BBC One, we

:00:00. > :00:00.can now goodbye from me, and on BBC One, we

:00:00. > :00:10.can now join the BBC's news teams Good evening and welcome to BBC Look

:00:11. > :00:13.North. The headlines tonight: Hull City fans get an apology from

:00:14. > :00:20.the police after travel restrictions to an away match last season. In

:00:21. > :00:23.football terms, if not a victory it is certainly a result.

:00:24. > :00:27.Campaigners fight new plans to breed dogs for animal testing.

:00:28. > :00:32.The magic moment that's brought one photographer worldwide praise.

:00:33. > :00:43.And pausing for thought ` the dog with a blog and 5,000 fans.

:00:44. > :00:47.And it has been a cold and grey day. Writer and milder prospects for

:00:48. > :00:54.tomorrow. I'll will be back later. Brighter.

:00:55. > :00:59.One of the most senior police officers in the country has

:01:00. > :01:04.apologised to hundreds of Hull City football fans for their treatment

:01:05. > :01:07.over travel arrangements to a match. The Chief Constable of West

:01:08. > :01:11.Yorkshire Police has said that the force was wrong to make supporters

:01:12. > :01:17.take organised travel to a game at Huddersfield last season. At the

:01:18. > :01:20.time officers said the decision was taken on safety grounds, but tonight

:01:21. > :01:24.Hull City say they dispute there was any legitimate risk of trouble, as

:01:25. > :01:32.our sports reporter Simon Clark reports.

:01:33. > :01:37.It was a match many City fans were looking forward to, heading up the

:01:38. > :01:40.road to Huddersfield Town. But when the match was chosen for live

:01:41. > :01:45.television with a different kick`off time, West Yorkshire Police stepped

:01:46. > :01:48.in. They felt their intelligence made the change difficult so instead

:01:49. > :01:55.devised a scheme where whole city fans travel to the game by organised

:01:56. > :02:00.bus. `` Hull City fans. But a review said that was wrong. In the Karl

:02:01. > :02:05.Turner was one of those who objected to the travelling position. It

:02:06. > :02:09.vindicates City fans, which I am delighted about. People were up in

:02:10. > :02:17.arms about this and they are right to be, so this is definitely a

:02:18. > :02:20.vindication for law`abiding fans. NA 40 page review, some key

:02:21. > :02:31.recommendations were made, including...

:02:32. > :02:37.Peter Johnson was one of those fans who had contacted West Yorkshire

:02:38. > :02:42.Police before the game to express his concern. To some extent, there

:02:43. > :02:49.was a slight slur on the football fan on the basis of what West

:02:50. > :02:54.Yorkshire Police introduced for that game, and as to be realised that

:02:55. > :03:04.football fans are normal members of the public. `` and it has to be

:03:05. > :03:07.realised. This afternoon, Hull City released a statement fundamentally

:03:08. > :03:15.disagreeing would be police's concerned that there were potential

:03:16. > :03:19.problems around the match. Simon is live at the KC Stadium for

:03:20. > :03:24.us tonight. Hull City aren't happy with this report, Simon. What else

:03:25. > :03:31.have they been saying tonight? They are still unhappy that, in a sense,

:03:32. > :03:35.they were attempting to slow the fans, as said in that report, that

:03:36. > :03:40.the police were criminalising elements of the fans that wanted to

:03:41. > :03:44.make the journey. What have learned is that there has been a

:03:45. > :03:50.communication between West Yorkshire Police and Hull City. There has been

:03:51. > :03:55.suggestion that an apology will appear in the match day programme

:03:56. > :03:58.but as yet, nothing on that. Thank you. We will continue to follow that

:03:59. > :04:01.story. In a moment, claims Hull needs a

:04:02. > :04:05.Boris`style mayor if it's to turn its fortunes around.

:04:06. > :04:09.Campaigners say they'll hold a protest this weekend against plans

:04:10. > :04:13.by a company in East Yorkshire to breed dogs for medical testing. B

:04:14. > :04:16.Universal want to extend their current site in Grimston, where they

:04:17. > :04:23.already breed some small animals for lab work. There's a legal

:04:24. > :04:26.requirement in the UK for all new medicines to be tested on animals,

:04:27. > :04:32.as our rural affairs correspondent Linsey Smith reports.

:04:33. > :04:35.This video from a company that promotes animals research shows the

:04:36. > :04:40.type of facility B Universal want to build in Grimston. It will allow

:04:41. > :04:44.animals to be bred on`site and kept permanently indoors. At present,

:04:45. > :04:53.they are transported in as puppies and reared until they are required

:04:54. > :04:58.by biomedical research labs. Insulin, for example, was discovered

:04:59. > :05:09.using experiments on just 12 dogs and discovered to be how we could

:05:10. > :05:11.treat type 1 diabetes. And 371 million people are alive today

:05:12. > :05:14.because of that treatment. But Deborah Minns still has doubts.

:05:15. > :05:20.She's organising a protest in Hull tomorrow. You've got the animal

:05:21. > :05:24.experiment is on one side saying, this is saving your child's life,

:05:25. > :05:27.but they don't seem to have any evidence, and on the other side, you

:05:28. > :05:34.have these leading scientists saying, this is delaying cures for

:05:35. > :05:37.humans. So we just want something in Parliament supported by MPs saying,

:05:38. > :05:46.can we have a debate between new two? The UK is at the cutting edge

:05:47. > :05:52.of finding solutions to animal testing. The group of scientists

:05:53. > :05:59.previously set up say they are not quite there yet and there is still a

:06:00. > :06:03.need for animal testing. The Government spends ?3 million each

:06:04. > :06:07.year looking how to refine, reduce and replace animals in research, but

:06:08. > :06:12.unfortunately, we have no blanket replacement for the use of animals.

:06:13. > :06:16.Eventually, after it has worked its way through test tubes and computer

:06:17. > :06:20.simulations, we need to try a drug in a whole organism. It's not the

:06:21. > :06:24.first time owners have tried to build a bigger facility. In 2011,

:06:25. > :06:28.plans were rejected by East Riding Council because they were too big.

:06:29. > :06:33.This new application has been scaled down but villagers say they'll

:06:34. > :06:38.object again. During the build period, if it was to be passed, the

:06:39. > :06:42.traffic would involve heavy vehicles coming to and fro on this tiny farm

:06:43. > :06:47.track, really. It is just a paved over from track. And, as you can

:06:48. > :06:51.see, the road is full of small, sharp bends. The company insists it

:06:52. > :06:55.is just supplying the demands of science. Protestors have told us

:06:56. > :06:59.more demonstrations are planned. So this village may be quaint but not

:07:00. > :07:02.quiet for long. Earlier I spoke to Dr Victoria

:07:03. > :07:06.Martindale, who is from Humane Society International, and asked her

:07:07. > :07:09.whether she would be happy for dogs to be used for medical purposes if

:07:10. > :07:21.scientists can't find an alternative. The trouble with using

:07:22. > :07:25.dogs or any animals for toxicology testing is the fact that they cannot

:07:26. > :07:30.predict the wide range of effects of a drug in a human. And these dogs

:07:31. > :07:34.have to be given very high doses, sometimes 1,000 times the dose level

:07:35. > :07:39.a human would normally encounter, which, of course, doesn't represent

:07:40. > :07:46.the normal situation at all. So when we try to extrapolate the evidence

:07:47. > :07:50.for humans, it is inaccurate. UK Cancer Research says this sort of

:07:51. > :07:55.experimentation is essential if they are to find a cure for cancer. We

:07:56. > :08:01.have been trying to find a cure for cancer for decades, yet there have

:08:02. > :08:04.been very few breakthroughs and very little progress. That doesn't mean

:08:05. > :08:10.we just have to give up, though, does it? Well, we're missing out on

:08:11. > :08:14.the huge potential that modern science has to offer and therefore

:08:15. > :08:18.we are missing out all the medical progress and breakthroughs in

:08:19. > :08:24.development that could occur from modern science. But dogs have helped

:08:25. > :08:28.find, for example, insulin to help treat diabetes. If we want to tackle

:08:29. > :08:36.these things, like MS, diabetes, aids, then there is no `` and there

:08:37. > :08:42.is no alternative, shouldn't we continue using dogs? You are talking

:08:43. > :08:47.about a process developed decades and centuries ago. We have many more

:08:48. > :08:51.methods available to us. For example, instead of cutting open the

:08:52. > :08:55.brain of a cat or monkey to look at its brain, instead, we can use

:08:56. > :09:00.highly sophisticated human imaging techniques to look at a human brain

:09:01. > :09:08.at the level of a single neuron. But they say that is not possible and

:09:09. > :09:12.they need live animals. It is possible. The more time and money we

:09:13. > :09:15.spend on that, the less time and money we have for new methods to

:09:16. > :09:25.progress medicine. We want to hear from you on this

:09:26. > :09:29.story. Do you think there need to be more alternatives to testing new

:09:30. > :09:31.medicines on animals? Or do we need to use animals if we are to find

:09:32. > :09:56.cures as soon as we can? We will have some of your thoughts

:09:57. > :09:59.on that before we finish tonight. A Grade`II listed building in

:10:00. > :10:03.Grimsby has been described as one of the most threatened buildings in the

:10:04. > :10:05.country. The Victorian Society has published its top ten most

:10:06. > :10:08.endangered buildings and it includes the former Wintringham School and

:10:09. > :10:17.School Board Offices on Eleanor Street in the town. It's furry sad

:10:18. > :10:25.to see them in that way. There was hardly a pane of glass not broken.

:10:26. > :10:32.It really is appalling. `` it's very sad. I was particularly struck by

:10:33. > :10:33.just how dilapidated these buildings are and how precarious their

:10:34. > :10:35.position is. Artists' impressions of a

:10:36. > :10:39.multi`million pound tourist attraction that could be built at

:10:40. > :10:43.the base of the Red Arrows in Lincolnshire have been revealed.

:10:44. > :10:46.Lincolnshire County Council wants to create an aviation heritage centre

:10:47. > :10:52.at RAF Scampton. It's currently in talks with the Ministry of Defence

:10:53. > :10:55.and the RAF about the plans. When Samantha Svendsen from Grimsby

:10:56. > :10:58.was awarded almost ?3 million compensation it was supposed to take

:10:59. > :11:02.care of her life, but a court has heard how her mother and stepfather

:11:03. > :11:07.spent the money instead on expensive cars, jewellery and holidays. Cathy

:11:08. > :11:11.Watson and Robert Hills are alleged to have stolen more than ?500,000

:11:12. > :11:16.from the money meant for their diasbled daughter. Today, Robert

:11:17. > :11:23.Hills, who has admitted theft, told the court he and his now ex`wife

:11:24. > :11:31.lived well beyond their means. Jake Zuckerman has this report from

:11:32. > :11:36.Doncaster Crown Court. The case concerns the theft of

:11:37. > :11:39.compensation money paid out by the NHS to Samantha Svensons, who

:11:40. > :11:46.suffered permanent brain damage as a child due to medical negligence. She

:11:47. > :11:50.was awarded ?2.6 million in 1999. Her mother, 44`year`old Cathy Watson

:11:51. > :11:55.from Scunthorpe, and her stepfather, Robert Hills, who is 49 and from

:11:56. > :11:59.Grimsby, were charged with the theft of more than half ?1 million in

:12:00. > :12:03.total, money that was supposed to pay for Samantha's ongoing care

:12:04. > :12:09.throughout her life. The court heard the couple lived a lavish lifestyle,

:12:10. > :12:15.spending more than ?200,000 on cars, ?18,000 on jewellery and several

:12:16. > :12:18.thousand pounds on credit cards. They bought several properties in

:12:19. > :12:23.Yorkshire that were supposed to be investments for Samantha but when

:12:24. > :12:31.the properties were sold the court maintains the couple kept the money

:12:32. > :12:34.for themselves. Cathy Watson has not admitted to the counts of theft

:12:35. > :12:41.while Robert Hills has admitted theft. He maintained they acted

:12:42. > :12:45.together and lived way beyond their means, and when it was put to him

:12:46. > :12:48.that he was lying to spread the blame and had volunteered to be a

:12:49. > :12:52.witness to try to receive a lesser sentence, he replied, a prepared to

:12:53. > :12:57.take responsibility for my actions but I will not take it for decisions

:12:58. > :12:59.that she took. The case, which is expected to last two weeks, was

:13:00. > :13:10.adjourned until Monday. Thank you for watching tonight.

:13:11. > :13:14.Still ahead tonight, the Bempton gannets caught on camera. Now their

:13:15. > :13:21.photographer is named one of the best in the world. When you actually

:13:22. > :13:30.capture on the back of your camera that special image, you just look at

:13:31. > :13:35.that and you know, that is the one. More on that in just a moment and if

:13:36. > :13:40.you have one you are proud of, do send it in and we will show it next

:13:41. > :13:43.week. We have some belters for you! Here they are.

:13:44. > :13:53.This was taken last Tuesday on one of the remaining sunny days.

:13:54. > :14:05.Now for the weather. I hope you are going to be nice to me tonight.

:14:06. > :14:17.White? Because you have me for the next two weeks! You are brave to do

:14:18. > :14:28.that! We have had a lot of cloud today and

:14:29. > :14:33.it has been low, so quite grey and dank, but after a grey start

:14:34. > :14:37.tomorrow, it will brighten up and feel milder, with temperatures in

:14:38. > :14:46.the mid teens. The weather will continue to be dominated by low

:14:47. > :14:49.pressure with the isobars Paddy `` fairly packed. Looking at relatively

:14:50. > :14:55.mild conditions for the next two days and into next week, it looks

:14:56. > :15:00.frost free, you will be pleased to know. The cloud has been producing

:15:01. > :15:04.some patchy drizzle. As we head into this evening and overnight, further

:15:05. > :15:09.spells of rain and drizzle will push in, so a damp night to come and

:15:10. > :15:18.breezy, too. But vary mild with temperatures down to just 12 or 13

:15:19. > :15:27.degrees. The sun rises at just after 7:30am tomorrow morning and sets

:15:28. > :15:31.just before 6pm. These are the high water times. We start tomorrow with

:15:32. > :15:37.a loss of cloud around and it will still be producing out rakes of rain

:15:38. > :15:41.and drizzle. `` a lot of. `` outbreaks. We should cease and

:15:42. > :15:45.spells of sunshine and it will feel pleasant as well. `` we should see

:15:46. > :16:00.some spells. Looking further ahead, on Sunday,

:16:01. > :16:04.more of a mix. Sunshine and blustery showers and wet and windy weather to

:16:05. > :16:09.come on Monday and then Tuesday. I will try to wear my glasses for next

:16:10. > :16:15.Monday! You are struggling! But we can see you! Your fans will be alive

:16:16. > :16:16.on Twitter now you have given them your schedule for the next two

:16:17. > :16:22.weeks! Hull needs a Boris Johnson`style

:16:23. > :16:26.elected mayor if it's to compete with other cities for government

:16:27. > :16:29.money. That's according to the former Deputy Prime Minister Lord

:16:30. > :16:32.Heseltine, who's been reacting to a controversial magazine article that

:16:33. > :16:35.said Hull was decaying and people should be encouraged to find jobs

:16:36. > :16:39.elsewhere. Lord Heseltine says the city can learn lessons from

:16:40. > :16:41.Liverpool, where he led a programme of economic regeneration in the

:16:42. > :16:50.1980s. Here's our political editor, Tim Iredale.

:16:51. > :16:54.With its waterfront, docks and industrial heritage, Liverpool has

:16:55. > :16:59.much in common with Hull, its fellow maritime city at the other end of

:17:00. > :17:04.the 62. Many people in Hull will look at Liverpool with some envy. In

:17:05. > :17:08.recent years, it has had one of the fastest`growing economies in the UK

:17:09. > :17:14.so it is hard to imagine that just over 30 years ago, there was talk in

:17:15. > :17:18.government of abandoning this city. Archive documents reveal that

:17:19. > :17:27.following riots in the report in 1981, the then Chancellor, Geoffrey

:17:28. > :17:30.Howe, suggested a programme of managed decline. There was an echo

:17:31. > :17:34.of that Iran in the latest edition of the Economist. An article

:17:35. > :17:38.entitled Britain's Decaying Towns suggested the Government should not

:17:39. > :17:43.pour any more money into so`called failing cities such as Hull. We had

:17:44. > :17:47.a think`tank a few years ago saying places in the North should be

:17:48. > :17:53.abandoned and everybody move down to London, and this is nonsense. Any

:17:54. > :17:57.forward`looking government, any forward`looking society would want

:17:58. > :18:02.to invest in Hull as they invest in difficult. Now the man credited with

:18:03. > :18:06.turning Liverpool's fortunes around back in the 80s has entered the

:18:07. > :18:10.debate. Lord Heseltine has been commissioned by the present

:18:11. > :18:14.government to look at ways of boosting economic growth in cities

:18:15. > :18:18.like Hull. The first thing is to find out who is in charge and that

:18:19. > :18:24.is why I believe in directly elected chief executives or mayors, because

:18:25. > :18:27.then you know. Everybody knows about London's Boris Johnson. You'd be

:18:28. > :18:32.much better off saying, what would you do if you were originated the

:18:33. > :18:37.idea is? Because you know what Hull needs. So let's start from the

:18:38. > :18:43.bottom up. Ministers have been talking about struggling Northern

:18:44. > :18:46.cities being abandoned, a move sure to make waves from the Humber to the

:18:47. > :18:49.Mersey. Tim Iredale will be here with the

:18:50. > :18:52.Sunday Politics this weekend discussing the issues raised by Lord

:18:53. > :18:57.Heseltine's comments on BBC One at 11am.

:18:58. > :19:02.Yesterday we told you about the secondary school in Hull that's

:19:03. > :19:06.handed out free iPhones to its students. The head teacher at Sydney

:19:07. > :19:09.Smith School says the phones will help pupils with research, revision

:19:10. > :19:13.and coursework when used as a mini tablet. They were handed out without

:19:14. > :19:20.consulting parents. We've had lots of responses on this

:19:21. > :19:23.one. Not surprisingly. Thank you for all of them that you have sent. We

:19:24. > :20:07.do read them all. Thank you for those.

:20:08. > :20:11.A man who captured this amazing image of two gannets at Bempton in

:20:12. > :20:15.East Yorkshire has been named in a prestigious competition as one the

:20:16. > :20:18.worlds best wildlife photographers. The image taken by Steve Race was

:20:19. > :20:21.selected out of 46,000 entries from all over the world. Phil Connell has

:20:22. > :20:37.been to meet him. For any wildlife photographer, it is

:20:38. > :20:44.the early bird who catches the worm. And Steve often starts work at 5am.

:20:45. > :20:48.The best time of day to capture his award`winning pic shows. It is the

:20:49. > :20:53.buzz of being outdoors in a wild place and space and sitting for a

:20:54. > :21:02.while quietly, like here, and seeing what comes across your path. `` his

:21:03. > :21:06.award`winning pictures. But now it is this picture of two gannet that

:21:07. > :21:11.has brought in to the attention of the world. The photograph was chosen

:21:12. > :21:16.out of 46,000 worldwide entries, with Steve just one of six British

:21:17. > :21:20.people to be commended. To get this true, special moment of them

:21:21. > :21:24.offering flowers to each other and then the necklace to actually go

:21:25. > :21:31.around the neck of the bird was, for me, exceptional. I've had wows and

:21:32. > :21:38.amazing, and then sheer silence, because people look at it and say,

:21:39. > :21:47.that is really something special. Steve's interest in wildlife to ``

:21:48. > :21:52.began at the age of just ten. He has now captured thousands of images on

:21:53. > :21:56.his camera. It can be instant, which is again it was, or it can take

:21:57. > :22:01.time, but when you capture that special image, you know. You just

:22:02. > :22:07.look at it and think, that is the one. It feels fantastic. Steve's

:22:08. > :22:11.photo is now part of a touring exhibition. But he is already up and

:22:12. > :22:15.out searching for that next magic moment.

:22:16. > :22:19.Hull City are back in action this weekend and manager Steve Bruce says

:22:20. > :22:23.his side will be in for a tough time when they travel to play Everton.

:22:24. > :22:26.The Tigers are only a point behind tomorrow's opponents and a victory

:22:27. > :22:35.could potentially lift them into the top five. David Moyes has left a

:22:36. > :22:39.very good side and of course, new managers come in with different

:22:40. > :22:43.ideas and they have got off to a great start. It will be a hell of a

:22:44. > :22:47.difficult game but one we will also look forward to.

:22:48. > :22:50.And of course there'll be full coverage of the game and match

:22:51. > :22:53.build`up on BBC Radio Humberside from 1:30pm.

:22:54. > :22:57.Scunthorpe United's game against Exeter is on AM.

:22:58. > :22:59.Grimsby Town v Forest Green Rovers is on DAB and online.

:23:00. > :23:01.BBC Radio Lincolnshire will have full commentary of Lincoln City's

:23:02. > :23:15.match at Kidderminster. Enjoy your football!

:23:16. > :23:19.Scientists at the University of Lincoln have been given a grant of

:23:20. > :23:24.almost ?500,000 to study the facial expressions of cats. They say the

:23:25. > :23:27.animal's faces could reveal how they're feeling emotionally and let

:23:28. > :23:40.owners know when they're sick or in pain. Cats clearly can communicate a

:23:41. > :23:43.lot with their face though it is much more subtle than something like

:23:44. > :23:47.a dog, which we are more familiar with. We are really only at the

:23:48. > :23:50.beginnings of beginning to explore this so we are going to learn a lot

:23:51. > :23:53.whatever happens. Now, having your own website or blog

:23:54. > :23:57.on the internet has been around for many years, but one blogger in North

:23:58. > :24:01.Lincolnshire has been capturing world attention. Polly the dog has

:24:02. > :24:05.had more than 5,000 hits from people wanting to know about her travels,

:24:06. > :24:10.videos and photos. Simon Spark has been to find out more.

:24:11. > :24:13.Meet Polly. She loves to play like any other dog. But when she's

:24:14. > :24:18.finished and settled, she doesn't just go to sleep like any other dog.

:24:19. > :24:23.She contemplates what she's going to tell her 5,000 fans. Because Polly's

:24:24. > :24:28.a dog with a blog. Here she is writing her latest edition now. Some

:24:29. > :24:32.of you have asked why the camera loves me so much. I have been told

:24:33. > :24:36.it is a mixture of bone structure and genetics. I think it has

:24:37. > :24:40.something to do with me being so very cute. Today it was bike`ride

:24:41. > :24:41.day, something she really enjoys and no doubt will blog about, adding to

:24:42. > :25:02.her many other travels. Polly, when did you start blogging?

:25:03. > :25:07.OK, here's the truth. Polly doesn't actually do the blogging. It's her

:25:08. > :25:13.owner David, who by chance wasn't available today, so his wife Lyn

:25:14. > :25:18.told us everything. I can't believe anybody outside the family is

:25:19. > :25:24.reading what Polly does! It was basically for our amusement. And it

:25:25. > :25:29.has just got bigger! 40% from the UK, 40% from America and then there

:25:30. > :25:35.are places like China, Canada, Korea. And so it goes on. It is

:25:36. > :25:38.relieved as, isn't it! Really bizarre! I can't even believe I'm

:25:39. > :25:42.talking about it! Well, actually it's not as bizarre as you think.

:25:43. > :25:46.For example, George W Bush's dog Barney had his own video blog and he

:25:47. > :25:51.did the Christmas decorations at the White House, apparently. Then

:25:52. > :25:54.there's Pudsey the dancing dog who also tweets to 44,000 followers. But

:25:55. > :25:59.David Cameron's cat, Larry the tabby, has fewer than 2,000

:26:00. > :26:02.followers. So, Polly, it looks like your blogs are already more popular

:26:03. > :26:05.and it doesn't look like they'll stop soon. Good job you're so very

:26:06. > :26:21.cute after all. A reminder, if you have a story you

:26:22. > :26:27.would like to tell us about, do drop us an e`mail and give us a telephone

:26:28. > :26:31.number as well. Or maybe tweet me directly.

:26:32. > :26:36.Let's get a recap of the national and regional headlines.

:26:37. > :26:39.A coroner has ruled the collector played a part in the deaths of five

:26:40. > :26:42.elderly people in a care home. West Yorkshire Police says sorry to

:26:43. > :26:46.the Hull City fans stopped from making their own way to a game.

:26:47. > :26:49.Tomorrow's weather ` a grey start with some drizzle at first but then

:26:50. > :26:57.becoming drier and brighter, with highs of 17 C.

:26:58. > :27:02.Our conversation there about testing on animals. Sheila has texted in to

:27:03. > :27:05.say, would those who demonstrated against animal testing refuse life

:27:06. > :27:10.saving treatment if the queue had been testing on animals? Do they ask

:27:11. > :27:16.if it has been tested on animals before they use it? Another says, I

:27:17. > :27:25.don't care how queue is found for MS, I have. `` how a cure is found.

:27:26. > :27:30.Another woman says, there must be a way to experiment without using

:27:31. > :27:34.those poor animals. Georgina said, I wanted to hear more from the

:27:35. > :27:38.scientists. My mother has cancer and if animal experiments don't work, I

:27:39. > :27:42.want to know how and what we can do to support this if they don't find

:27:43. > :27:45.the cure. I want to hear the scientists debate publicly so we can

:27:46. > :27:52.hear both sides. Have a peaceful weekend. Good night.