:00:00. > :00:00.Good evening and welcome to BBC Look North.
:00:00. > :00:09.Investigations begin to see if there were clues that
:00:10. > :00:16.two teenagers would go on to murder a mother and daughter from Spalding.
:00:17. > :00:19.Local voices add to the pressure to take a knighthood off
:00:20. > :00:30.Calls for action as the forler head of Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals
:00:31. > :00:36.Defends himself. I don't think I was ever part of the
:00:37. > :00:39.problem. I think I took the organisation to a strong pl`ce.
:00:40. > :00:42.The council that can't decide on the right name for one
:00:43. > :00:48.And for a detailed look at the weather over the next few d`ys,
:00:49. > :00:48.And for a detailed look at the weather over the next few days, join
:00:49. > :00:57.weather over the next few d`ys, join me in 15 minutes.
:00:58. > :01:01.An investigation will held to see if any signs were missed th`t
:01:02. > :01:03.could have prevented the murder of a mother and
:01:04. > :01:09.Liz and Katie Edwards were killed earlier this year
:01:10. > :01:14.A 15-year-old girl and a 15-year-old boy who can't be named
:01:15. > :01:18.for legal reasons - will be sentenced next month.
:01:19. > :01:21.Today authorities said they would examine the contact
:01:22. > :01:24.the killers had with teachers, social workers and other
:01:25. > :01:32.There's no escaping the horror that took place here,
:01:33. > :01:39.the shocking details revealed for all to see.
:01:40. > :01:45.Disgusting, to be honest. It is wrong.
:01:46. > :01:48.It kind of makes you a little bit insecure, you do not know what is
:01:49. > :01:53.going on in the streets. It's not like it used to be. It is
:01:54. > :01:58.different. It has changed, so we're wanting to move out Spaulding.
:01:59. > :01:59.It is a bit disconcerting that something like that could h`ppen,
:02:00. > :02:03.something like that could happen, especially when it is young
:02:04. > :02:06.teenagers. You just don't expect that.
:02:07. > :02:09.The couple were 14 when thex committed the murders, making them
:02:10. > :02:11.among the youngest child killers in the country.
:02:12. > :02:13.Perhaps the most famous case was when Jon Venables
:02:14. > :02:16.and Robert Thompson murdered toddler James Bulger in Liverpool in 19 3.
:02:17. > :02:25.In 2004, 16-year-old Alan Pdnnell was jailed for a minimum of
:02:26. > :02:28.12 years for killing 14-year-old Luke Walmsley at the
:02:29. > :02:29.Birkbeck College in North Lincolnshire.
:02:30. > :02:31.And three years ago, schoolboy Will Cornick
:02:32. > :02:33.was 15 when he stabbed and killed his teacher
:02:34. > :02:37.But despite very high profile examples, murders by childrdn
:02:38. > :02:47.Violence amongst young people generally is quite rare, and the
:02:48. > :02:51.extreme crimes such as murddr happen extreme crimes such as murddr happen
:02:52. > :02:54.very infrequently. I think the background is likely to be very
:02:55. > :02:57.significant, and what is st`rting to significant, and what is st`rting to
:02:58. > :03:00.materialise and emerges that their backgrounds were quite
:03:01. > :03:04.dysfunctional. During the 15-year-old girl's trial
:03:05. > :03:06.we heard that she had tried to kill herself in the past, and th`t
:03:07. > :03:06.we heard that she had tried to kill herself in the past, and that she
:03:07. > :03:08.herself in the past, and th`t she had frequent dealings with the
:03:09. > :03:11.authorities and health care professionals. Today, Lincolnshire
:03:12. > :03:13.County Council have announcdd the reviewing her case to see if any
:03:14. > :03:15.lessons can be learned. Elizabeth and Katie will always be
:03:16. > :03:17.remembered but the community They were so upset when it happened,
:03:18. > :03:26.so upset when it happened, and They were so upset when it happened,
:03:27. > :03:28.so upset when it happened, `nd now, with more graphic details coming out
:03:29. > :03:32.in the press, people just cannot in the press, people just c`nnot
:03:33. > :03:37.believe how bad it actually was, in the press, people just cannot
:03:38. > :03:40.believe how bad it actually was and believe how bad it actually was, and
:03:41. > :03:42.they are so shocked and devastated. But there is a positivity, they want
:03:43. > :03:43.to move on. We have got to love But there is a positivity, they want
:03:44. > :03:44.to move on. We have got to move on. Fresh flowers lay at the scene
:03:45. > :03:47.where the brutal murders took place. Residents do want closure,
:03:48. > :03:49.but many questions still remain as to how this could happen
:03:50. > :03:56.to such a loving family. The two killers cannot be named
:03:57. > :04:00.because of their age. Andrew Taylor is a criminal
:04:01. > :04:03.barrister who believes their Peter Dawson is the Director
:04:04. > :04:09.of the Prison Reform Trust. He thinks they should
:04:10. > :04:15.remain anonymous. Earlier I spoke to them both
:04:16. > :04:18.and started by asking Andrew Taylor I think it is in very unusual
:04:19. > :04:25.circumstances that we do nale I think it is in very unusu`l
:04:26. > :04:26.circumstances that we do name young circumstances that we do name young
:04:27. > :04:30.people like this, but the p`rticular people like this, but the p`rticular
:04:31. > :04:35.facts and circumstances of this case were so horrendous, the planning of
:04:36. > :04:38.the execution of this murder of two people in their own homes, hs such I
:04:39. > :04:41.people in their own homes, is such I think that society needs to know
:04:42. > :04:46.their identities. We need to do that because society needs to protect
:04:47. > :04:49.itself. While we have duties of care towards young people, we also have
:04:50. > :04:51.care and duties towards the greater community.
:04:52. > :04:52.But, many people would agree with But, many people would agred with
:04:53. > :04:57.that. This is a terrible thing which that. This is a terrible thhng which
:04:58. > :05:00.has been done. Why should they not be named?
:05:01. > :05:06.I don't understand what the purpose of naming The Miz. Society rightly
:05:07. > :05:10.expects that justice is seen to be done, and it has seemed to have been
:05:11. > :05:12.done. The terrible details of this case have been reported on the front
:05:13. > :05:16.page of pretty much every ndwspaper. page of pretty much every ndwspaper.
:05:17. > :05:20.When it comes to protecting the public from future crime, none of
:05:21. > :05:23.these people is going to be out in the public for many years to come.
:05:24. > :05:27.They have to have a life until then which allows us to find out more
:05:28. > :05:29.about them, and to make any risk of reoffending much smaller.
:05:30. > :05:31.Many people have been in totch reoffending much smaller.
:05:32. > :05:32.Many people have been in totch with us today, they think they should be
:05:33. > :05:34.named. Don't the public havd us today, they think they should be
:05:35. > :05:35.named. Don't the public have a us today, they think they should be
:05:36. > :05:38.named. Don't the public havd a right to know? For their own safety, if
:05:39. > :05:43.nothing else. The state has two duties, to catch
:05:44. > :05:48.them, to put them to trial, and it has met that duty. It has a new set
:05:49. > :05:52.of duties now, about their welfare and about what happens in the
:05:53. > :05:55.future. It is a difficult balancing act, and if they are named H do not
:05:56. > :05:56.act, and if they are named I do not see what is gained by it. Htge
:05:57. > :05:59.see what is gained by it. Huge amount is lost.
:06:00. > :06:03.What is gained, Mr Taylor? Xou want What is gained, Mr Taylor? You want
:06:04. > :06:06.to know their names, but many will say they are still children and
:06:07. > :06:10.their must be hope of rehabilitation, and leading a normal
:06:11. > :06:13.life in the future. I sincerely hope they do
:06:14. > :06:16.rehabilitate themselves, but they certainly did not behave like
:06:17. > :06:20.children when they went into this home and callously executed two
:06:21. > :06:26.people, cos that's what it was. This was execution. As a precedent for
:06:27. > :06:29.this, we named the killers of Jamie Bulger, and this is arguably more
:06:30. > :06:32.Bulger, and this is arguablx more serious and more heinous a crime
:06:33. > :06:36.than the killing of that little boy. Society needs to know because these
:06:37. > :06:40.people may well be out in 20-30 years' time. That might mean they
:06:41. > :06:44.are still relatively young, and people who commit serious like
:06:45. > :06:46.are still relatively young, and people who commit serious lhke this,
:06:47. > :06:49.they go on to commit other offences. Isn't that a very good point, Mr
:06:50. > :06:57.Dawson? The state has every till it could
:06:58. > :07:02.possibly need -- two. They will be released on licence for the rest of
:07:03. > :07:06.their lives, as they could be called back to prison at any moment that
:07:07. > :07:11.the Probation Service think there may be a risk. The state does not
:07:12. > :07:15.need any more tools to protect us. The parole board do not havd
:07:16. > :07:16.need any more tools to protdct us. The parole board do not have a
:07:17. > :07:17.perfect record for a good rdason. perfect record for a good reason.
:07:18. > :07:19.Nobody could look inside thd man a Nobody could look inside the man a
:07:20. > :07:25.woman's mind, and neither c`n the woman's mind, and neither can the
:07:26. > :07:27.parole board. If these people are released in 20-30 years' tile, I
:07:28. > :07:30.released in 20-30 years' time, I would like to know if they `re
:07:31. > :07:31.living next to me in my neighbourhood, or of my children or
:07:32. > :07:32.grandchildren happen to comd neighbourhood, or of my children or
:07:33. > :07:37.grandchildren happen to comd into contact with them. These people
:07:38. > :07:40.committed very serious murddrs. Mr Taylor, if they are named, they
:07:41. > :07:44.will have to be given false identities. The pair have not been
:07:45. > :07:48.sentenced yet. The judge will rule on when they should be identified.
:07:49. > :07:52.What would your message be for him or her?
:07:53. > :07:54.I do not need to give him a message, he is very learned in the lawful
:07:55. > :07:58.he is very learned in the l`wful stop but other people have been
:07:59. > :08:02.named. If you look at the criteria for naming young people, all those
:08:03. > :08:06.criteria have been met and well in advance of anything that has gone on
:08:07. > :08:07.another cases. These people do not need necessarily to have anonymity,
:08:08. > :08:09.we need to know who they ard, need necessarily to have anonymity,
:08:10. > :08:11.we need to know who they are, so that if and when they are rdleased
:08:12. > :08:15.that if and when they are released we know about them and we know that
:08:16. > :08:20.we can prevent them. And Mr Dawson?
:08:21. > :08:22.It is an unenviable situation, but my message would be that thhs is
:08:23. > :08:23.It is an unenviable situation, but my message would be that this is the
:08:24. > :08:27.moment to be dispassionate, to stand back from the emotion of thhs
:08:28. > :08:29.terrible crime and to make a terrible crime and to make `
:08:30. > :08:33.decision which will reverberate for the next 20 or 30 years and make a
:08:34. > :08:37.difference between these people having a future life or not.
:08:38. > :08:40.Very good to talk to you, thank you very much indeed.
:08:41. > :08:45.We will certainly be very kden to We will certainly be very kden to
:08:46. > :08:49.know what you think should these and other children, who commit serious
:08:50. > :08:54.crimes, teenagers, we named. Mr Taylor argues that they shotld be,
:08:55. > :08:57.Taylor argues that they should be, whereas Mr Dawson thinks thdre is no
:08:58. > :09:00.whereas Mr Dawson thinks there is no need to know the names of young
:09:01. > :09:02.offenders, no matter how serious the Crown. Your views on this one,
:09:03. > :09:08.should teenagers be named? @nd why? should teenagers be named? And why?
:09:09. > :09:14.And if they should not be, why as well? We both have a sample of your
:09:15. > :09:22.thoughts before we finish. Here are the details...
:09:23. > :09:25.The company's collapse led to thousands of job losses
:09:26. > :09:27.and marked the end of an era on our high streets.
:09:28. > :09:30.Now, Grimsby's MP Melanie Onn has added her voice to calls
:09:31. > :09:32.for the former BHS boss Sir Philip Green to be
:09:33. > :09:37.A vote is due to take place in parliament.
:09:38. > :09:40.Many BHS workers, including a former store manager from Lincoln have
:09:41. > :09:44.campaigned for the billionahre retail boss to lose his title.
:09:45. > :09:47.More from our Political Editor Tim Iredale.
:09:48. > :09:51.Back in the summer, BHS shut up shop for the last time.
:09:52. > :09:55.Stores in Hull, Lincoln, Grimsby and Scunthorpe closdd down,
:09:56. > :10:00.ending the firm's 88 year presence on the British high street.
:10:01. > :10:04.In 2015, Sir Philip Green sold the company for just ?1 to a former
:10:05. > :10:11.The company's collapse meant the loss of 11,000 jobs
:10:12. > :10:15.and a whacking great hole in its pension scheme.
:10:16. > :10:20.Lin MacMillan used to be the deputy manager of the BHS Lincoln store.
:10:21. > :10:23.She's in no doubt who's to blame for the demise of the firm.
:10:24. > :10:27.Philip Green now has three xachts, one of which cost ?100 million.
:10:28. > :10:30.In the meantime, 11,000 people have lost their jobs,
:10:31. > :10:33.and 20,000 pensioners are fdaring for what is going to
:10:34. > :10:39.Sir Philip Green said this week he was sorry for the hardshhp caused
:10:40. > :10:43.by the downfall of BHS and said he did everything possible to keep
:10:44. > :10:49.But number of MPs have backdd a Commons motion calling for him
:10:50. > :10:55.Giving somebody a knighthood of the realm is one of the highest
:10:56. > :10:58.He was given that for his services to retail.
:10:59. > :11:00.Has he really served retail and the people
:11:01. > :11:04.I think the majority of people who work for the company,
:11:05. > :11:07.the majority of people who look at the incredible amount of wealth
:11:08. > :11:11.The plight of BHS still provokes a strong reaction
:11:12. > :11:16.I used to love BHS, you know, and I was shocked when
:11:17. > :11:22.We don't want this building to stay like this, how it is, it is closing.
:11:23. > :11:25.I think when he was in front of the select committee he said
:11:26. > :11:28.he would sort it out, but he has not done yet.
:11:29. > :11:32.So if he does, just let him keep his knighthood.
:11:33. > :11:35.If he does not, strip him of it, wait and see.
:11:36. > :11:38.MPs can't force the removal of a knighthood.
:11:39. > :11:42.That's down to a separate committee, but many at Westminster want to send
:11:43. > :11:52.a clear signal to the man they blame for the downfall of a retail giant.
:11:53. > :11:59.This is another one you might have a view on, maybe you work that one of
:12:00. > :12:03.the branches of BHS in East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Should
:12:04. > :12:08.Philip Green lose his knighthood? There is the e-mail address and text
:12:09. > :12:10.number. Is he to be held responsible for the collapse of the company?
:12:11. > :12:11.for the collapse of the company Look forward to hearing from you.
:12:12. > :12:14.Look forward to hearing frol you. There will be more on that story in
:12:15. > :12:16.our late programme at 10:30pm. The family and friends
:12:17. > :12:18.of a 50-year-old man from Cleethorpes who died
:12:19. > :12:21.in the Lake District on Saturday - have said he was an inspiration
:12:22. > :12:24.who loved sports and found time Kevin Ryan was preparing to spend
:12:25. > :12:28.the night with a group of eight friends at the Priest's Hold cave,
:12:29. > :12:31.seen here in a recent BBC documentary, when he fell 500 feet
:12:32. > :12:37.down the face of Dove Crag. There's been a rise in unemployment
:12:38. > :12:39.across our area 160,000 people are out of work
:12:40. > :12:43.in Yorkshire and the Humber - But there's been a smaller increase
:12:44. > :12:47.in the East Midlands 109,000 people are unemployed -
:12:48. > :12:57.There's been a rise in unemployment Phil Morley left his job as head
:12:58. > :13:02.of Hull and East Yorkshire's hospital two years ago
:13:03. > :13:12.amid allegations of bullying He took up a similar role with
:13:13. > :13:17.another hospital trust in Essex which has now been rated as
:13:18. > :13:24.inadequate under his leadership. The Howell MP -- Hull MP Diana Johnson
:13:25. > :13:30.says there should be more controls to stop people moving from one job
:13:31. > :13:34.to another. Why is Mr morally such a
:13:35. > :13:35.controversial figure? Phil Morley first came to public
:13:36. > :13:41.attention when he started m`king big attention when he started m`king big
:13:42. > :13:41.cuts to try to tackle the Hull and East Yorkshire's huge deficht
:13:42. > :13:42.cuts to try to tackle the Htll and East Yorkshire's huge deficit at
:13:43. > :13:42.cuts to try to tackle the Hull and East Yorkshire's huge deficht at the
:13:43. > :13:47.time. He then attracted widespread time. He then attracted widdspread
:13:48. > :13:52.criticism for his Superman staff training video. Less amusing were
:13:53. > :13:55.reports of a bullying culture which were highlighted by a critical CQC
:13:56. > :14:00.report, which was published just weeks after he left the trust, which
:14:01. > :14:01.rated the trust as inadequate. A few months later, it was revealdd he
:14:02. > :14:02.rated the trust as inadequate. A few months later, it was revealed he had
:14:03. > :14:08.months later, it was revealdd he had spent around ?50,000 on his NHS
:14:09. > :14:12.credit card. NHS investigators are still looking at that. He
:14:13. > :14:18.strenuously denies any wrongdoing. Today, the Hull MP Diana Johnson
:14:19. > :14:23.expressed her anger that Mr Morley has apparently failed at another
:14:24. > :14:25.hospital trust. He is still under investigation by
:14:26. > :14:28.NHS protectors well, that h`s not NHS protectors well, that has not
:14:29. > :14:32.been concluded. It is almost two years now. I would like to see that
:14:33. > :14:33.done. I have written to Jeremy Hunt to say, we need to take somd
:14:34. > :14:35.done. I have written to Jerdmy Hunt to say, we need to take some action.
:14:36. > :14:40.to say, we need to take somd action. He needs to look at how Phil morally
:14:41. > :14:46.was allowed to move on to a new post so easy.
:14:47. > :14:51.Standard that the Harlow trust, where Mr morally is now in charge,
:14:52. > :14:54.have gone down to being inadequate, and it looks like the trust will be
:14:55. > :14:59.put into special measures. Despite the criticisms now and during his
:15:00. > :15:04.time at the Hull trust, Phil Morley insisted today that he has been a
:15:05. > :15:09.successful manager. I think you find from my history in
:15:10. > :15:11.the NHS both as a clinician and a senior leader, I have done some
:15:12. > :15:16.really successful things. I was nominated for inspirational leader
:15:17. > :15:21.of the year, I was the first person to win an international turnaround
:15:22. > :15:24.award for turning a hospital around. You can look at my track record and
:15:25. > :15:25.I can feel really proud of the differences I have made. I don't
:15:26. > :15:27.think I was ever part of the differences I have made. I don't
:15:28. > :15:31.think I was ever part of thd problem at Hull, I took that organisation to
:15:32. > :15:33.a strong place. Some people will never liked the decisions you have
:15:34. > :15:36.to make. Phil Morley has told the BBC today
:15:37. > :15:40.that he wants to continue hhs that he wants to continue hhs
:15:41. > :15:46.current job which carries a 6-figure salary. Diana Johnson, meanwhile,
:15:47. > :15:48.says she will press on with her recommendations to see that hospital
:15:49. > :15:52.managers who have failed cannot just hop from job to job.
:15:53. > :15:55.County Councillors in Lincolnshire have claimed more than ?1.3 million
:15:56. > :15:57.in allowances and expenses over the last financial year.
:15:58. > :15:59.This is a slight increase from the previous year.
:16:00. > :16:01.30 councillors claimed more than ?20,000 -
:16:02. > :16:06.The Council leader, Martin Hill claimed just over ?35,000.
:16:07. > :16:16.However, the authority say that s less than he was entitled to claim.
:16:17. > :16:22.The time is 6:45pm. Thank you for choosing Look North. Still ahead on
:16:23. > :16:25.choosing Look North. Still `head on the programme: The non-league
:16:26. > :16:26.the programme: The non-leagte football team celebrating being
:16:27. > :16:26.the programme: The non-league football team celebrating bding in
:16:27. > :16:31.the first round of the FA Cup for the first round of the FA Cup for
:16:32. > :16:36.the first time in their history. And the council confused about what to
:16:37. > :16:44.cull one of its own tourist attractions -- coal.
:16:45. > :16:54.Tonight's photograph was taken by Ian, he took this autumn in East
:16:55. > :16:56.Park in Hull this morning. Thank you very much indeed, very autumnal.
:16:57. > :16:57.Park in Hull this morning. Thank you very much indeed, very autulnal Who
:16:58. > :17:00.very much indeed, very autumnal. Who needs the weather forecast, I could
:17:01. > :17:04.do it myself and we could s`ve a bob or two.
:17:05. > :17:06.You can point to look at the You can point to look at the
:17:07. > :17:12.Stevenson screen and make a weather recording. I will let you know if
:17:13. > :17:15.I've got a spare day. Every day is a spare day, Peter. Let's have a look
:17:16. > :17:21.spare day, Peter. Let's havd a look at the headlines for the next 24
:17:22. > :17:23.hours. Not much going on, v`riable cloud, one or two showers around.
:17:24. > :17:28.Friday's chart shows a ridge of high Friday's chart shows a ridgd of high
:17:29. > :17:32.pressure. The jet stream will pale back to Spain and Portugal. We may
:17:33. > :17:37.see the first widespread frost of the season first light Frid`y
:17:38. > :17:41.morning. But the breeze continues to come in from the North and
:17:42. > :17:44.north-east, it has been a gusty and north-east, it has been a gtsty and
:17:45. > :17:46.chilly day along the coast, and the wind will blow in showers from time
:17:47. > :17:50.to time this evening and overnight. to time this evening and overnight.
:17:51. > :17:52.It is a night of variable cloud again, with a scattering of showers,
:17:53. > :17:54.but there will be quite a bit of again, with a scattering of showers,
:17:55. > :17:55.but there will be quite a bht of dry but there will be quite a bht of dry
:17:56. > :18:01.weather in between those showers as well. When we get some shelter,
:18:02. > :18:06.rural areas in the West will have temperatures of around 6-7d
:18:07. > :18:15.elsewhere. Nine or 10 Celsits, 0 Fahrenheit elsewhere. High water
:18:16. > :18:20.time... Thursday, variable cloud with some
:18:21. > :18:24.sunshine. One or two showers drifting in from the North Sea, but
:18:25. > :18:29.they will be few and far between. Quite a few of us will be dry and
:18:30. > :18:31.there will be further sunny spells. The wind will slowly ease,
:18:32. > :18:37.particularly in coastal areas. particularly in coastal areas.
:18:38. > :18:41.Temperatures close to today's values, 13 Celsius, 55 Fahrdnheit.
:18:42. > :18:44.values, 13 Celsius, 55 Fahrenheit. Any isolated showers will dhe away
:18:45. > :18:47.on Thursday night, skies will clear and the wind will fault. A bit of a
:18:48. > :18:51.touch of frost first light Friday morning. Friday looks dry with
:18:52. > :18:52.morning. Friday looks dry whth sunshine, Saturday and Sunday the
:18:53. > :18:53.sunshine, Saturday and Sund`y the breeze picks up, variable cloud,
:18:54. > :18:58.sunny spells again, and a ftrther sunny spells again, and a further
:18:59. > :19:00.scattering of showers. That is the forecast.
:19:01. > :19:05.Things seemed to go with this theme. Things seemed to go with thhs theme.
:19:06. > :19:19.Please tell Paul Hudson that padded shoulders went out with Joan
:19:20. > :19:21.Crawford! It was a fashion comment. You related to Michael Crawford?
:19:22. > :19:26.Give me strength. See you tomorrow. The non-league team Stamford have
:19:27. > :19:29.made it into the FA Cup first round for the first time
:19:30. > :19:31.in their history. They won a dramatic match
:19:32. > :19:33.at Wrexham last night. The manager celebrated by having
:19:34. > :19:36.a day off from his job as a bricklayer, but one pl`yer had
:19:37. > :19:39.just two hours sleep before Laundry day after one of thd biggest
:19:40. > :19:59.games in Stamford AFC's history. It is massive for the club, for the
:20:00. > :20:00.town. It is just a great achievement.
:20:01. > :20:02.Last night the team - which includes a postman,
:20:03. > :20:05.delivery driver, a few builders, teachers and an electrician,
:20:06. > :20:08.beat National League side Wrexham in a thrilling game to qualify
:20:09. > :20:11.for the first round proper of the FA Cup for the
:20:12. > :20:19.But 2-0 up with four minutes to go, it almost went horribly wrong.
:20:20. > :20:25.Wrexham drew level, taking the game to extra time.
:20:26. > :20:26.We kept going, and when that free kick went and it was a relief. When
:20:27. > :20:31.kick went and it was a relidf. When the final whistle went, did not know
:20:32. > :20:33.where to be! Two minutes to go in extra time, crawling on his hands
:20:34. > :20:35.and knees, being sick on thd extra time, crawling on his hands
:20:36. > :20:37.and knees, being sick on the pitch, and knees, being sick on the pitch,
:20:38. > :20:39.the ball goes next to him on the pitch, he runs after it agahn and
:20:40. > :20:45.pitch, he runs after it again and then the players are crying on the
:20:46. > :20:46.pitch at the end of it, wow Wrexham are three leagues above
:20:47. > :20:50.Stamford FC, who play in thd Stamford FC, who play in the
:20:51. > :20:56.Northern league Premier League division South. The 80 of English
:20:57. > :20:59.football. They will face Hartlepool United, but who are Stamford AFC?
:21:00. > :21:04.after Daniel Lambert, known as the fattest man in England,
:21:05. > :21:10.The club has won the United Counties League eight times.
:21:11. > :21:13.But the biggest moment in their history came in 1980
:21:14. > :21:15.at Wembley when they won the FA Vase.
:21:16. > :21:18.Today blurry-eyed fans who returned from Wales in the early hours
:21:19. > :21:30.It was unbelievable, as a fan I think most of us have lost our
:21:31. > :21:32.voices today. My heart stopped started several
:21:33. > :21:36.times, there were men in thd times, there were men in the
:21:37. > :21:38.terraces crying. It was amazing. Put us on the
:21:39. > :21:42.football map, Stamford is f`mous for football map, Stamford is f`mous for
:21:43. > :21:43.a few things, hopefully now the football.
:21:44. > :21:45.Stamford will play hartlepool on November 5th ,
:21:46. > :21:47.and this Lincolnshire town will have fingers crossed
:21:48. > :21:57.-- Hartlepool. Great night for Stamford.
:21:58. > :22:00.And also in the FA Cup last night Lincoln City reached the first
:22:01. > :22:13.There are some reports circtlating this evening that Hull City has been
:22:14. > :22:18.sold to a consortium in China for ?130 million. The BBC has contacted
:22:19. > :22:19.the club, but there has been no official confirmation if there is
:22:20. > :22:23.official confirmation if thdre is any change, we will let you know,
:22:24. > :22:24.the next from us will be at 10:30pm the next from us will be at 10: 0pm
:22:25. > :22:26.tonight. How hard can it be for a cotncil
:22:27. > :22:29.to write a signpost directing people Very hard, it seems,
:22:30. > :22:34.in North Lincolnshire. Nestled on the south bank
:22:35. > :22:40.of the Humber, it must have been easy to name the Waters' Edge
:22:41. > :22:44.visitor centre but it seems punctuating the signs that `dvertise
:22:45. > :22:49.it has proven more difficult. Mike Nind from Chesterfield
:22:50. > :22:52.was visiting North Lincolnshire when he noticed a curious anomaly
:22:53. > :22:57.between brown signs. We just drove past one sign
:22:58. > :23:00.and I saw it after the S, We then past another one
:23:01. > :23:05.and it was before the S. I thought it was strange thdy have
:23:06. > :23:07.got it two ways. And then we drove past the one
:23:08. > :23:10.behind us and that didn't Certainly, on an official shgn,
:23:11. > :23:15.they should get it right. In Winterton, more than nine miles
:23:16. > :23:17.away from the visitor centrd, on the first of two signs,
:23:18. > :23:20.the apostrophe is But less than 200 metres away,
:23:21. > :23:28.on the same stretch of road, a second sign, which uses
:23:29. > :23:43.the apostrophe in a different way. Back in Barton, do those enjoying
:23:44. > :23:55.the park now which sinus dramatically correct?
:23:56. > :23:58.I think that one. Being old-fashioned, I think that
:23:59. > :24:03.one, because that is how we were taught in school.
:24:04. > :24:04.Either that one or... Actually, I don't know.
:24:05. > :24:06.The Plain English Campaign says an apostrophe is required
:24:07. > :24:08.in Waters' Edge but says there should be consistency
:24:09. > :24:12.The edge belongs to the water, doesn't it?
:24:13. > :24:15.It is the edge of the water so it needs the apostrophe of possession.
:24:16. > :24:18.No apostrophe at all is not really an option.
:24:19. > :24:20.These marks are not just little blobs which are stuck into writing
:24:21. > :24:31.They are signs which show pdople how to understand the piece of writing.
:24:32. > :24:34.How to read it, how to make sense of it. They are there to help.
:24:35. > :24:37.North Lincolnshire Council says placing the apostrophe after the S
:24:38. > :24:39.is correct and will now look to change the spelling on shgns
:24:40. > :24:54.And Mike, who you saw there in the film, got in touch
:24:55. > :25:00.If you have a story you think we should know about, drop us an e-mail
:25:01. > :25:01.and also telephone. Let's get a recap of the national
:25:02. > :25:05.and regional headlines There's a row following the arrival
:25:06. > :25:08.of child migrants as one Tory MP calls for dental checks to
:25:09. > :25:12.determine their age. Investigations begin to see
:25:13. > :25:14.if there were clues that two teenagers would murder a mother
:25:15. > :25:26.and daughter from Spalding. Tomorrow's weather, mostly dry and
:25:27. > :25:33.bright with cloud of sunny spells as well. Top temperature, 13 Celsius,
:25:34. > :25:38.55 Fahrenheit. That's livelx discussion about children who commit
:25:39. > :25:43.serious crimes, should they be named? We heard both sides, a big
:25:44. > :25:46.response. Keith said, this hs another example of the do-gooders
:25:47. > :25:50.excusing the perpetrators of crime and ignoring the rights of the
:25:51. > :25:54.victims. Samantha says, this was a mindless and calculate the brutal
:25:55. > :25:58.crime. These children have crossed a line, there is no way back from it,
:25:59. > :26:02.name them. Kelly says, what is the point of naming them, it will only
:26:03. > :26:08.cost money to give them a whole new identity if they were ever released.
:26:09. > :26:11.Paul says, if they are old dnough to commit a crime, they are old enough
:26:12. > :26:16.to be named and face the consequences. I cannot understand
:26:17. > :26:18.why they do not name minors. John says they should be named and shamed
:26:19. > :26:20.whatever their age. Agnes s`ys, says they should be named and shamed
:26:21. > :26:21.whatever their age. Agnes says, why whatever their age. Agnes s`ys, why
:26:22. > :26:26.should they have the right to anonymity? We as the public have a
:26:27. > :26:31.right to know. J says, I think they should be named as part of their
:26:32. > :26:34.sentence and punishment will stop Andy says, they have committed a
:26:35. > :26:39.horrendous crime, they will be sentenced accordingly, therd is no
:26:40. > :26:41.reason to know their names. There we are, opinions on both sides. Thank
:26:42. > :26:45.you for those, and thank yot for you for those, and thank yot for
:26:46. > :26:52.watching. We will have more on our late news that have passed ten. Join
:26:53. > :26:56.us then if you can -- 10:30pm. Have a nice evening, goodbye.