:00:10. > :00:13.Good evening. Welcome to North West Tonight. Our top story: Police say
:00:13. > :00:23.proving that those who died at Stepping Hill were killed may be
:00:23. > :00:24.
:00:24. > :00:30.impossible. By can assure people we will do everything we can to find
:00:30. > :00:36.out what happened. -- I can assure. The would be Facebook rioters are
:00:36. > :00:39.told their sentences will be upheld. And a tragedy waiting to happen.
:00:39. > :00:46.Cocklers are warned not to brave the sands after lifeboats sent to
:00:46. > :00:56.rescue vessels caught up in stormy And The Stone Roses come out of
:00:56. > :01:06.
:01:06. > :01:09.The man in charge of the investigation into the poisoning of
:01:09. > :01:12.three people at a Stockport hospital says they may never be
:01:12. > :01:16.able to charge anyone with murder. Tracey Arden, Arnold Lancaster and
:01:16. > :01:19.Alfred Weaver all died at Stepping Hill Hospital in the summer.
:01:19. > :01:21.Yesterday police confirmed that 17 people, including the three people
:01:21. > :01:29.who died, were poisoned by contaminated saline solution at the
:01:29. > :01:33.hospital and they are still looking into a further nine cases. Our
:01:33. > :01:36.health correspondent reports. It is the most complex of
:01:36. > :01:42.investigations. Huge in numbers and scale and complicated by
:01:42. > :01:46.painstaking medical and forensic detail. It is these three faces at
:01:46. > :01:51.the centre of this story. The deaths of Tracey Arden, Alfred
:01:51. > :01:55.Weaver and Arnold Lancaster are still being investigated. Police
:01:55. > :01:58.know they were given saline contaminated with insulin. But what
:01:58. > :02:06.they say they may never know is whether that caused or contributed
:02:06. > :02:10.to their deaths. When people are in hospital they have a variety of
:02:10. > :02:13.medical conditions. The difficulty is differentiating between was the
:02:13. > :02:16.cause of the deaths and illnesses and then breaking that down to see
:02:16. > :02:19.if there is any connection with the contamination. What if you cannot
:02:19. > :02:22.prove a link between saline and the deaths? That while that will
:02:22. > :02:28.preclude prosecution for homicide, what it will not preclude is
:02:28. > :02:30.prosecution for contamination offences. It was those sort of
:02:30. > :02:34.offences that nurse Rebecca Leighton was charged with back in
:02:34. > :02:37.July. But six weeks later all charges were dropped and Rebecca
:02:37. > :02:45.Leighton was released from prison. Do you regret arresting Rebecca
:02:45. > :02:52.Leighton so early? No, not at all, the arrest took
:02:52. > :02:55.place with the appropriate level of evidence. It is important that when
:02:55. > :02:58.an opportunity takes place you take steps because if it had progressed
:02:58. > :03:02.and Rebecca Leighton was the person responsible and she remains in the
:03:02. > :03:05.pool of people we are looking at because she is one of the 700
:03:05. > :03:09.people that we take the step to prevent any further harm.
:03:09. > :03:14.police investigation spans a six week period in a busy hospital. So
:03:14. > :03:22.far detectives have interviewed almost 500 people. And they have
:03:22. > :03:25.more than 1,600 exhibits or pieces of evidence to look at.
:03:25. > :03:28.You set your parameters as wide as possible to capture all the
:03:28. > :03:31.incidents that may have taken place all the people who had contact in
:03:31. > :03:34.that environment then we will start to funnel down to the individuals
:03:35. > :03:38.you have had more access more motive we will funnel that down and
:03:39. > :03:42.re-interview people and sift through that information again.
:03:42. > :03:46.It might be that we never get to that outcome that we are looking
:03:46. > :03:49.for but I can assure people we will do everything we can to make sure
:03:49. > :03:51.we do not miss the opportunities because the victims who have been
:03:51. > :03:59.contaminated deserve that justice. And getting there, he says could
:03:59. > :04:09.take months, even years. A very complex case and they have many
:04:09. > :04:13.
:04:13. > :04:16.experts working with them. Who are they? And also interestingly
:04:16. > :04:18.predict future behaviour of the person who has done this. They are
:04:18. > :04:22.also working with someone from the nursing and midwifery council They
:04:22. > :04:24.are helping the police make sense of the huge amount of medical notes
:04:24. > :04:27.and records they're having to go through. Then there is a
:04:27. > :04:30.toxicologist who we understand is one of the country's best. And of
:04:30. > :04:34.course a pathologist as well. Not only might these experts prove
:04:34. > :04:36.crucial in helping the police find out who has done this, it is the
:04:36. > :04:39.toxicologist and pathologist who hold the key to proving what effect
:04:39. > :04:42.the contaminated saline had on the three people who died.
:04:42. > :04:44.Two men from Cheshire who were jailed for inciting disorder on
:04:44. > :04:47.Facebook during the summer riots have had their appeals rejected.
:04:47. > :04:50.The Court of Appeal also dismissed the appeals of three other men
:04:50. > :04:52.jailed for burglary offences. But the judge did halve the sentences
:04:52. > :04:55.of another three. Today legal reform groups said too much
:04:55. > :04:58.emphasis was being put on the need to give out deterrent sentences.
:04:58. > :05:04.August 8th this year, and riots were flaring up across the UK.
:05:04. > :05:09.Jordan Blackshaw was at home in Northwich. That night, he created a
:05:09. > :05:16.face that page that urged people to meet here, behind the McDonald's,
:05:16. > :05:18.at 1 o'clock the and the next day. He added a message of encouragement.
:05:18. > :05:20.Meanwhile, in Warrington, Perry John Sutcliffe created a Facebook
:05:20. > :05:23.page called Warrington Riots, naming a time and place people
:05:23. > :05:27.should meet. Both pages were intercepted by police. No disorder
:05:27. > :05:35.occurred as a result. Both men received four year
:05:35. > :05:39.sentences which they appealed. had hoped that although he did not
:05:39. > :05:47.expect it to be reduced to a non- custodial sentence that it would be
:05:47. > :05:49.reduced. But in Northwich today, the scene of one of the would be
:05:49. > :05:57.riots, few had any sympathy for Blackshaw or Sutcliffe. There was
:05:57. > :06:01.no need for an attempt to start a riot. I would definitely jailed
:06:01. > :06:03.them. Six others from the North West jailed at Manchester Crown
:06:03. > :06:05.Court during the riots also appealed against their sentences
:06:05. > :06:12.last month Hassan Halloway, Enrico Vanasco and Michael Gillespie-
:06:12. > :06:15.Doyle were all jailed for burglary offences. Lawyers argued their
:06:15. > :06:17.sentences were manifestly excessive. Today their appeals too were
:06:17. > :06:20.dismissed. But in the cases of three other men
:06:20. > :06:30.jailed for handling offences, the Court of Appeal today halved their
:06:30. > :06:35.
:06:35. > :06:42.The concern we have is that by demonstrating the need for
:06:42. > :06:47.deterrence that the Court of Appeal is taking the wrong approach. The
:06:48. > :06:52.evidence suggests that deterrent affecting in sentencing is minimal
:06:52. > :06:56.at best and it is unlikely to deter future people from committing
:06:56. > :06:59.crimes. There is a mini goldrush on the
:06:59. > :07:02.Lancashire coast at the moment. Hundreds of fishermen gather every
:07:02. > :07:05.day to dig out cockles from a newly opened bed near Lytham. But, seven
:07:05. > :07:09.years on from the Morecambe Bay disaster, there are fears there
:07:09. > :07:11.could be another tragedy. Fisheries chiefs in the region say
:07:11. > :07:14.inexperienced fishermen in unsafe boats are putting themselves and
:07:14. > :07:24.others at risk. Last night lifeboats were called for the fifth
:07:24. > :07:25.
:07:25. > :07:31.time in a few weeks. Let's join our reporter.
:07:31. > :07:36.Just behind me is a cockle bed that was only opened at the beginning of
:07:36. > :07:42.next month and is said to contain 2000 tonnes of its valuable copper
:07:42. > :07:46.just there for the taking. There are no shortage -- there is no
:07:46. > :07:50.shortage of takers but some of those who are trying to take the
:07:50. > :07:54.cockles have been risking their lives.
:07:54. > :07:58.There is no shortage of those keen to harvest this lucrative crop.
:07:58. > :08:04.This is not surprising when you consider that they have been
:08:04. > :08:09.getting up to �1,200 per tonne for the cockles gathered here. But some
:08:09. > :08:15.people are putting their lives at risk in trying to reap the harvest.
:08:15. > :08:18.The tides here are treacherous and unforgiving of the unwary. Life
:08:18. > :08:23.boats have been launched half a dozen times in the last three weeks
:08:24. > :08:30.to save people who have gotten in trouble. The last incident was just
:08:30. > :08:33.yesterday. The engine was not working on the boat and they had no
:08:33. > :08:38.way to communicate. They were not properly equipped for the
:08:38. > :08:44.conditions out there. He should have a means of communications at
:08:44. > :08:48.the very least a mobile phone were radio. A local fisherman says that
:08:48. > :08:53.many of those arriving here do not have enough experience. Some of the
:08:53. > :08:57.lads have been coming across from the Southport side and it is a long
:08:57. > :09:02.way back if the weather changes. I fear those men could be in trouble.
:09:02. > :09:09.Wouldn't you have thought that people would have learned from the
:09:09. > :09:13.disaster? People have very short memories. They will take risks.
:09:13. > :09:22.They lifeboat crew hope that people will take notice of the warnings to
:09:22. > :09:27.avoid further call-outs. Perhaps, even, a major tragedy.
:09:27. > :09:33.There was a meeting today to discuss the situation. The Health
:09:33. > :09:41.and Safety Executive was looking into making sure that these vessels
:09:41. > :09:51.are seaworthy and are not unreliable. They want to prevent a
:09:51. > :09:57.disaster like the one at Morecambe Bay from happening again. A former
:09:57. > :10:06.star of the soap opera Brookside allegedly lured a man to his debt
:10:06. > :10:11.according to a chord. He is accused of ferrying a nightclub bar man to
:10:11. > :10:14.a shooting. Continuing strong winds have been
:10:14. > :10:17.causing disruption in Cumbria. Railway lines between Barrow and
:10:17. > :10:20.Grange over Sands were closed overnight after trees were blown
:10:20. > :10:27.onto the line. In Barrow a wall collapsed onto three cars and a van,
:10:27. > :10:37.with initial fears someone could have been trapped. We will have a
:10:37. > :10:40.full weather forecast coming up shortly.
:10:40. > :10:47.Celebrations took place at BAE Systems in Warton today to mark the
:10:47. > :10:49.Tornado jet clocking up a million flying hours. BAE workers in
:10:49. > :10:54.started, have played a key role in the RAF's Tornado programme. The
:10:54. > :10:59.House of Commons has been the scene of many historic moments, but there
:10:59. > :11:02.can not have been few occasions that the House of Commons was as
:11:02. > :11:06.emotional as it was during the Hillsborough debate. In a moment we
:11:06. > :11:11.will hear from someone who was at the game at the time but now we
:11:11. > :11:15.will hear a flavour of the speeches which underline how upsetting it
:11:15. > :11:23.was for the families and politicians. The tragic nature of
:11:24. > :11:27.their debts was exasperated -- exasperated by what happened next.
:11:27. > :11:36.A co-ordinated campaign began to shift the blame and look for
:11:36. > :11:42.scapegoats. I was sat in our front room with my dad and I can still
:11:42. > :11:50.see the look on his face now. He knew what was happening. Football
:11:50. > :11:54.fans all over Britain near. They were watching on TV, listening on
:11:54. > :12:04.radios, thousands and thousands were gripped with horror as the
:12:04. > :12:05.
:12:05. > :12:15.bodies were pulled out. I remember simply going back to the box and
:12:15. > :12:18.
:12:18. > :12:22.sitting there with directors and crying. What else can you do? This
:12:22. > :12:28.was a disaster in my football ground. 96 people died before our
:12:28. > :12:38.eyes. Parliament has never recorded their names in Hansard for
:12:38. > :12:39.
:12:39. > :12:49.posterity but they can at least put one wrong right today. Alfred
:12:49. > :12:52.
:12:52. > :13:02.Anderson, 62. Coral Ashcroft, 19. James Aspinall, 18. Mark his ball,
:13:02. > :13:07.
:13:07. > :13:10.One of the key people in the debate was the MP for Liverpool Walton,
:13:10. > :13:12.Steve Rotheram. He has been a powerful campaigner for full
:13:12. > :13:15.disclosure of all documents relating to Hillsborough. A little
:13:15. > :13:20.earlier I asked him for his reaction to last night's events.
:13:20. > :13:25.Was one of last night was one of those occasions that will -- last
:13:25. > :13:28.night was one of those occasions that will put forward the case for
:13:28. > :13:34.the truth. Theresa May is the Home Secretary of responsible for that
:13:34. > :13:44.and she has agreed to release all of the documentation related to
:13:44. > :13:44.
:13:44. > :13:52.A I you confident that means the battle for the truth is all but
:13:52. > :13:55.one? Certainly, we know that this is the end of this particular
:13:55. > :14:01.chapter and the independent panel report, hopefully in May or June
:14:01. > :14:06.next year, will be the truth as far as anybody can pull together an
:14:07. > :14:12.accurate picture now that this suite of documents will be released.
:14:12. > :14:17.This has been a personal crusade for you and started back in 1989,
:14:17. > :14:22.you were a supporter at Hillsborough all that day. I was,
:14:22. > :14:27.one of the lucky ones. I had swapped my ticket and was in the
:14:27. > :14:32.stand behind that end and watched as young children were dragged from
:14:32. > :14:38.the terrace, some of them not surviving. And the names of all 96
:14:38. > :14:44.who died were read out by you last night, an unusual thing to happen.
:14:44. > :14:48.Why did you feel that was so important? It was one of those
:14:48. > :14:55.decisions that I agonised over, I have wanted to make certain I did
:14:55. > :14:59.justice to the families. I was not certain that a House of Commons and
:14:59. > :15:03.the Chamber was the appropriate forum to read out all 96 lives, but
:15:03. > :15:09.I decided on Sunday night that I thought it would be a poignant
:15:09. > :15:17.tribute and that is why I did it. I think most people respected that.
:15:17. > :15:21.It is 22 years now. Does it live with you every day? Yes. Not to the
:15:21. > :15:27.extent that the 96 families up to. It was not just the deaths of their
:15:27. > :15:33.loved ones, but it cover up by the establishment and anger pipa --
:15:33. > :15:38.anger felt try to get sued and justice -- truth and justice.
:15:38. > :15:42.you. Still to come tonight... United and
:15:42. > :15:46.City fight for their first wins in the Champions League. We are live
:15:46. > :15:50.at Eastlands. And surely every Liverpool fan's
:15:50. > :16:00.schoolboy dream. Steven Gerrard and Kenny Dalglish play themselves on
:16:00. > :16:07.
:16:07. > :16:10.More about that later. It is less than a year to the Olympics. But if
:16:10. > :16:15.they are taking place in London, why should we in the North West
:16:15. > :16:18.care? In the first of a series of reports, former swimmer, Steve
:16:18. > :16:21.Parry, has been speaking to those closest to him, and the cycling
:16:21. > :16:27.legend, to gauge opinion. We all know what the Olympics look
:16:27. > :16:35.like, what the Olympics sound like. But what will be Games you like to
:16:35. > :16:41.us in the North West? -- what will be Games feel like? Chris Boardman
:16:41. > :16:47.should know, a gold medal whose -- a gold medallist who has been at
:16:47. > :16:52.every games since 1988. We it is such an incredible brand. People
:16:52. > :16:58.know what Olympic gold medal means. It penetrates the whole world. For
:16:58. > :17:05.the first time, it will be outside your door. Not everyone is into
:17:05. > :17:10.sport. Take by parents, who would have no idea what is happening in
:17:10. > :17:16.football, Formula One or Rugby. But after watching the in Sydney, the
:17:16. > :17:21.Olympics are different. It brings people together. It has to be. It
:17:22. > :17:28.is so exciting. You get caught up in it. I think people are very slow
:17:28. > :17:32.to start with, but has momentum increases, the enjoy it. Chris has
:17:32. > :17:37.had critics in all sevens -- all seven of his Games, but feels the
:17:37. > :17:42.feel-good factor of Olympics will bring us over. In it involves
:17:42. > :17:48.people than ever before. You have a personal investment. It is a memory
:17:48. > :17:54.people will keep forever. Canada hosted the Olympic Games in 2010,
:17:54. > :17:58.and so be sure that 96% of the 35 million population rated the games
:17:58. > :18:04.as good for the country. If my mother gets her way, their approval
:18:04. > :18:14.rate for London will be back her. We will be running around the
:18:14. > :18:15.
:18:15. > :18:20.garden. Gardner Olympics? But we do. I give them a medal.
:18:20. > :18:29.No wonder he is so nice, with lovely parents. The gardener
:18:29. > :18:38.Olympics, about my level. Did you get tickets? I didn't. Did you?
:18:38. > :18:41.did not. Moving on to football. It is a huge
:18:41. > :18:44.night in the Champions' League. Manchester City and Manchester
:18:44. > :18:48.United are both desperate to get their first wins in the competition
:18:48. > :18:50.tonight. United are in Romania for their third match in Group C. In
:18:50. > :18:53.Group B, Manchester City host Spanish side Villareal at the
:18:53. > :18:59.Etihad Stadium. That is where we can now join Ian Haslam.
:18:59. > :19:04.A massive sense of anticipation here. Already that unique
:19:04. > :19:09.atmosphere building. I am told by Manchester City this game is not a
:19:09. > :19:15.sell-out, although they are expecting it to be fairly full.
:19:15. > :19:20.Kick-off is at 7:45pm, as it is in Romania were Manchester United are
:19:20. > :19:26.also in action. Sir Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini spoke last
:19:26. > :19:36.night. We hear from both men now. City might be topping the Premier
:19:36. > :19:39.League table. But so far, it has been a different story in Europe. A
:19:39. > :19:43.draw and a defeat means they have yet tomade their mark in the
:19:43. > :19:47.competition. Naive is a word that has been levelled at them. I think
:19:47. > :19:51.we need to learn, because it is the second game we have played in the
:19:51. > :19:54.Champions' League. But I think we need only one victory. Mancini's
:19:54. > :19:58.side are five points behind group A leaders Bayern Munich. And three
:19:58. > :20:08.behind Napoli in second. A City victory could change everything.
:20:08. > :20:10.need all our supporters. It will be very important. We have a chance, I
:20:10. > :20:13.think. Manchester United are up against Romanian champions Otelul
:20:13. > :20:16.Galati. Their entire squad cost less than Wayne Rooney's monthly
:20:16. > :20:20.wage packet. And their home ground does not meet UEFA standards.
:20:20. > :20:25.Tonight's game takes place at Bucharest's national arena.
:20:25. > :20:30.We have to progress, are without question. We have a good idea how
:20:30. > :20:33.to play the game tomorrow. A win could be enough to move so Alex
:20:33. > :20:36.Ferguson's side top of Group C, ahead of Sunday's Manchester derby.
:20:36. > :20:40.If post Champions' League fatigue is to be an issue in the Premier
:20:40. > :20:43.League, it will be the same for both sides. City are in the same
:20:43. > :20:48.position anyway. Fitness wise, they should not have a problem in terms
:20:48. > :20:51.of recovery. Whatever team I pick tomorrow, a lot will play on Sunday.
:20:51. > :20:55.United's opponents are nicknamed the steelworkers. They might just
:20:55. > :20:59.change that to the miracle workers if they get a result tonight.
:20:59. > :21:07.Excitement is building behind us. Real optimism that Manchester
:21:07. > :21:13.United get a first ever victory. You can listen on BBC Radio
:21:13. > :21:18.Manchester and we have reviews of all matches from 6:30pm tomorrow.
:21:18. > :21:24.Thank you. City hoping to win the Champions' League for the first
:21:24. > :21:27.time. A new film, set around Liverpool's 2005 Champions League
:21:27. > :21:30.final against AC Milan, premiered at the weekend, as Tinseltown came
:21:30. > :21:35.to Merseyside. Manager Kenny Dalglish appears in Will, about a
:21:35. > :21:38.boy who runs a way to Istanbul to watch the game. Steven Gerrard and
:21:38. > :21:46.Jamie Carragher also make an appearance. But did they make it to
:21:46. > :21:50.the red carpet? Dozens lining the red carpet, not
:21:50. > :21:58.for Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt, but because Kenny Dalglish was on his
:21:58. > :22:01.way. We might not be in Los Angeles, but anyone who remembers the 2005
:22:01. > :22:10.Champions League final, it is the sort of story Hollywood films are
:22:10. > :22:13.made of. The Champions League final! Will
:22:13. > :22:22.follows the story of a young boy desperate to be part of the magic
:22:22. > :22:27.in is that bill. -- Istanbul. That Liverpool comeback was the perfect
:22:27. > :22:32.match to reflect his of -- reflect his adventure and not bad for one
:22:32. > :22:39.Liverpool fan. Today is a massive. The experience of making the film
:22:39. > :22:48.was amazing. But it watching football is -- watching footballers
:22:48. > :22:57.acting is not your thing, look away now. Well, is that you? Kenny
:22:57. > :23:02.Dalglish! A 01, that is the way now. Making it look easy, but how does
:23:02. > :23:08.standing in front of a camera compare with that and she --
:23:09. > :23:14.compare with the touchline? One way his comfort zone, and it is
:23:14. > :23:18.something else. It was good fun. The people I've worked with were
:23:18. > :23:24.good. The ease Liverpool fans and probably most Hollywood producers
:23:24. > :23:28.will be pleased to know that any will not give up his day job just
:23:28. > :23:36.yet. I think he is loving his new
:23:36. > :23:40.starring role. He is, isn't he? for a well-told story. Once you
:23:40. > :23:45.were great friends. But you fell out in a big way. Years later,
:23:45. > :23:47.there is a chance of getting back together. What do you do?
:23:47. > :23:54.Manchester band, The Stone Roses, have announced their reunion. But
:23:54. > :23:58.15 years after falling apart, can it ever be the same?
:23:58. > :24:02.Manchester! 1989. The Empress Ballroom,
:24:02. > :24:12.Blackpool. Three months after their debut album, The Stone Roses have
:24:12. > :24:17.arrived. Seven years later, they have gone. An acrimonious break-up
:24:17. > :24:19.makes today's announcement a bit of a surprise. The band is getting
:24:19. > :24:27.back together for shows in Manchester's Heaton Park next
:24:27. > :24:29.summer before hitting the road. much new stuff can we expect?
:24:29. > :24:34.how can they forget all the bitterness that forced them apart
:24:34. > :24:44.in the first place? And let us face it, they are not the first to
:24:44. > :24:48.
:24:48. > :24:56.break-up and make-up. It is never the band that used to be, so there
:24:56. > :25:05.is massive nostalgia and let us satisfy the bank manager. Cream did
:25:05. > :25:13.a reunion in 2005 at the Royal Albert Hall. It -- these weird beat
:25:13. > :25:19.-- you cannot quite recapture it. We have all tried to go back. How
:25:19. > :25:23.many are buyers do not want to see class mates again? Years later, we
:25:23. > :25:25.cannot wait to get back to this school reunion. Pupils from
:25:25. > :25:30.Withington Girls School in the Seventies reunited this summer.
:25:30. > :25:36.Aren't there are people you do not want to see again? Those sort of
:25:36. > :25:39.things tend to fade away. We have not had any arguments and yet.
:25:39. > :25:44.now, all is sweetness and light with The Stone Roses. The plan is
:25:44. > :25:52.to take on the world. Let's hope they do not end up taking on each
:25:52. > :25:59.other. I would not count on it. I think
:25:59. > :26:09.the bank manager is smiling. Brings back memories. Nothing wrong with
:26:09. > :26:12.
:26:12. > :26:17.The weather has been extremely windy. Even central Manchester had
:26:17. > :26:23.winds of 45 miles an hour and showers piling in all the way
:26:23. > :26:27.through. A similar story through the night and parts of tomorrow.
:26:27. > :26:32.Showers coming in right the way through the North West. Fairly
:26:32. > :26:41.widespread up until about midnight, places inland then becoming drier
:26:41. > :26:47.and clearer. And pretty low temperatures. Along the coast,
:26:47. > :26:52.where the showers keep on coming, around six or seven. Cool Abbey we
:26:52. > :26:57.are waking up tomorrow. Tomorrow or was a complete North-South divide.
:26:57. > :27:02.The North part of the region seeing the best weather. A cloudy start
:27:02. > :27:08.for all of us, and a showery start. Showers dying away from parts of
:27:08. > :27:13.Cumbria, Lancashire. Further south, into parts of Merseyside and
:27:13. > :27:20.Greater Manchester, showers keep on coming. All cheering up towards
:27:20. > :27:27.teatime and temperatures 10 Celsius. As queues as cities. -- as good as
:27:27. > :27:33.it is. Come back for a reunion. We due at they go to a school reunion?