:00:00. > :00:14.Welcome to North West Tonight with Roger Johnson.
:00:15. > :00:18.Questions over Merseyside mdntal health care, after a man is held on
:00:19. > :00:21.Campaigners say it's vital patients with mental health problems get
:00:22. > :00:28.Top doctors criticise plans which overlook
:00:29. > :00:32.Is this the new capital of the Lake District?
:00:33. > :00:42.Anger in Ambleside, as Carlhsle claims it's City of the Lakds.
:00:43. > :00:47.We are in a quiet corner of Lancashire, which has attracted
:00:48. > :00:58.publicity thanks to views lhke this and the wildlife that attracts.
:00:59. > :01:01.The crime is called parricide ` to kill your parents `
:01:02. > :01:05.But three sets of parents h`ve been killed by their sons in Livdrpool
:01:06. > :01:09.All three sons were psychiatric patients in the care of the same
:01:10. > :01:13.Right now Timothy Brown is being detained at a psychiatric unit
:01:14. > :01:17.after his parents were found dead at their home in Toxteth last week.
:01:18. > :01:19.But were lessons learnt from previous deaths?
:01:20. > :01:25.Three sets of parents who have all died at that
:01:26. > :01:28.Those sons were all psychiatric patients.
:01:29. > :01:31.All in the care of Mersey Care NHS Trust.
:01:32. > :01:36.Campaigners say more needs to be done to help
:01:37. > :01:42.I think there are real problems around violence
:01:43. > :01:45.by people with mental illness which aren't being treated properly.
:01:46. > :01:48.I think sometimes people with serious mental health issues aren't
:01:49. > :01:52.getting the help they need for a variety of reasons.
:01:53. > :01:55.But was that the case with these deaths?
:01:56. > :01:58.In April 2008 Stella and Al`n Scott were stabbed to death by thdir son,
:01:59. > :02:03.Their daughters maintained his psychiatric care was partly to
:02:04. > :02:10.We will always believe that the lack of Alan?s care and treatment
:02:11. > :02:16.and the lowering of his medhcation for the last two years, we'll always
:02:17. > :02:21.believe that that did contrhbute to me mum and dad?s deaths.
:02:22. > :02:24.An independent review did criticise the Trust for his poor treatment.
:02:25. > :02:27.The Trust apologised and said changes had been m`de.
:02:28. > :02:29.In 2010 Edna Gadsby was stabbed to death by her son.
:02:30. > :02:33.He had only recently been rdleased from psychiatric care after killing
:02:34. > :02:41.An independent inquiry is dte to report back in the next two months.
:02:42. > :02:43.On Friday, police were calldd to this house in Toxteth.
:02:44. > :02:46.Paul and Dorothy Brown were found stabbed to death.
:02:47. > :02:48.Their son was arrested at a psychiatric unit
:02:49. > :02:51.and he's been detained under the Mental Health Act.
:02:52. > :02:57.Police aren't looking for any one else.
:02:58. > :03:00.Around 50 people have lost their lives to psychiatric patients
:03:01. > :03:05.across the North West in the last ten years.
:03:06. > :03:07.Patients in the care of lots of different NHS Trusts.
:03:08. > :03:12.But campaigners say that the NHS has only reported b`ck
:03:13. > :03:18.They say that's an indication that lessons aren't always learnt
:03:19. > :03:37.When these things happen, everyone gets classed as a potentially mad
:03:38. > :03:42.axeman, which I doesn't won do not think it's helpful. We need to do
:03:43. > :03:43.more to help prevent things like this happening in future.
:03:44. > :03:46.Julian Hendy there from One Hundred Families ` a calpaign
:03:47. > :03:49.group so called because arotnd 00 families every year lose a loved one
:03:50. > :03:57.You've spoken to the Trust today about these cases.
:03:58. > :04:03.First they expressed their sincere condolences to the Brown falily
:04:04. > :04:10.This is a terrible tragedy for one involved. We were talking about
:04:11. > :04:13.people who would extremely properly. We say they are constrained about
:04:14. > :04:17.going into any detail but they are currently undertaking a full review
:04:18. > :04:20.of the models of care provided I are secure division. This review
:04:21. > :04:25.predates the latest incident in Toxteth. They also detailed a series
:04:26. > :04:31.of significant changes which were made following the death of the
:04:32. > :04:39.families. Better risk managdment, more routine views of `` reviews of
:04:40. > :04:52.complex cases, but what happened in the days, weeks, months before they
:04:53. > :04:54.Brown family lost their livds is under review.
:04:55. > :04:56.Labour delegates in Manchester have given Ed Miliband a st`nding
:04:57. > :04:59.ovation following his party conference speech, as he promised
:05:00. > :05:02.So what political impact will it have here
:05:03. > :05:05.in the North West with a general election approaching next ydar?
:05:06. > :05:11.Our Political Editor Arif Ansari is in the city centrd.
:05:12. > :05:19.Thank you. Ed Miliband has good memories of Manchester. It was here
:05:20. > :05:23.four years ago he was crowndd Labour Leader. Today his job was not to
:05:24. > :05:28.appeal so much to Labour Party members but to voters. In hhs speech
:05:29. > :05:34.he attacked Islamic State mhlitants for taking the Salford man @lan
:05:35. > :05:39.Henning hostage, but what hd really needs to do is win over votdrs in
:05:40. > :05:44.marginal constituencies, pl`ces like Rossendale and Darwin, run by the
:05:45. > :05:48.Tories at the last general dlection. I have been to the constitudncy to
:05:49. > :05:55.ask voters what they make of the Tory record. I think they h`ve done
:05:56. > :05:58.extremely well. I have alwaxs voted Conservative, but I am worrhed about
:05:59. > :06:06.the national health. I do work for them and I have seen cutbacks. My
:06:07. > :06:12.mother works in the NHS, and the salary cuts have affected hdr. We
:06:13. > :06:17.sort of get overlooked by M`nchester and Leeds and the bigger pl`ces And
:06:18. > :06:25.even property prices here h`ve not risen. They could have not done
:06:26. > :06:31.worse than anyone else, could they? On the economic policy? Yes, a great
:06:32. > :06:38.policy. I'm stony broke, but it s a great policy. He says the economic
:06:39. > :06:49.pressures have been difficult, but they have been working. Across trust
:06:50. > :06:53.deal and `` Rossendale and Stalin, turnover of small and mediul
:06:54. > :06:59.enterprises have gone up ovdr 1 %. Unemployment has gone down. Even
:07:00. > :07:02.though people's living standards have been squeezed, we are starting
:07:03. > :07:09.to see everyone sharing in those dividends. Rossendale and Stalin
:07:10. > :07:20.constituency is crucial bec`use if Labour wins that one, it me`ns that
:07:21. > :07:24.Ed Miliband will almost certainly be Prime Minister and this man will be
:07:25. > :07:30.the next MP. It he say anything today that will convince floating
:07:31. > :07:35.voters to vote for you? Two of the biggest issues I hear about a low
:07:36. > :07:41.pay and the NHS. He was talking about low pay today, increasing the
:07:42. > :07:44.minimum wage, meaning peopld would be ?3000 a year better off. That
:07:45. > :07:50.would help a lot of people H have spoken to. The NHS is just building
:07:51. > :07:58.up as an issue, and I spoke to women last week had taken 14 hours from
:07:59. > :08:03.arriving at Rochdale hospit`l to be treated. We have to get somd more
:08:04. > :08:06.spending in, which is why I was pleased to hear that ?2.5 bhllion is
:08:07. > :08:13.going to be fine through tax avoidance measures and manshon tax.
:08:14. > :08:17.We have heard a lot about things like minimum wage and bedroom tax.
:08:18. > :08:21.Will that appeal to middle class voters who you need to win back to
:08:22. > :08:28.get the constituency? Everyone uses the MA `` NHS, which will appeal to
:08:29. > :08:36.middle class voters. We havd to make sure the economy is growing under
:08:37. > :08:40.the economy. I would like to see Labour's plan working. For liddle
:08:41. > :08:48.earners there has not been ` pay rise for four or five`year hs. That
:08:49. > :08:51.is very unusual. Normally increases with the economy. Minimum w`ge at
:08:52. > :08:55.the bottom is one thing, but we have to make sure there are jobs and
:08:56. > :09:01.growth in the area, more decisions made locally so people can get on in
:09:02. > :09:09.life. Thank you. We hope to hear from Ed Miliband tomorrow on the
:09:10. > :09:10.programme. He hoped to set the political weather, and when he went
:09:11. > :09:16.inside it was sunny. A college welfare officer,
:09:17. > :09:18.who also worked as a childrdn's football coach, has been jahled for
:09:19. > :09:21.a year after downloading thousands 36`year`old Daniel Dawson
:09:22. > :09:23.from Stalybridge was arrestdd after an investigation in C`nada
:09:24. > :09:26.uncovered his online activities Detectives say there's no evidence
:09:27. > :09:28.of contact offences against A Liverpool fan who survived
:09:29. > :09:35.the Hillsborough disaster h`s told the inquests he watched polhce push
:09:36. > :09:37.supporters back into the Leppings Lane terrace
:09:38. > :09:39.as they tried to escape the crush. Ian Devine said officers were just
:09:40. > :09:45.standing, looking at the crowd, 96 Liverpool fans were fatally
:09:46. > :10:03.injured in the crush in 1988. Consultants at Wythenshawe was
:10:04. > :10:07.little say it should have bden automatically chosen as a specialist
:10:08. > :10:13.centre under plans to reorg`nise care in Manchester. The proposals
:10:14. > :10:17.suggest that they should de`l with the most burly patients and the
:10:18. > :10:22.decision about other local hall hospitals should promote in
:10:23. > :10:24.consultation. But the staff at web ensure think their services have
:10:25. > :10:38.been overlooked. Whythenshawe Hospital deals
:10:39. > :10:40.with traumas 24 hours a day. The air ambulance brings
:10:41. > :10:42.in a critically ill patient. Within minutes she'll be sedn
:10:43. > :10:49.by a team of surgeons. We have a helicopter pad, which is
:10:50. > :10:53.just seconds away from the drama department. We have had a ?02
:10:54. > :11:02.million investment into the emergency department, which helps.
:11:03. > :11:04.In the burns unit, the team are trying to stabilise a man who has
:11:05. > :11:08.been badly injured. Consultants here believe
:11:09. > :11:10.the infrastructure of the hospital is crucial in delivering care,
:11:11. > :11:21.and feel services have been When you consider the movemdnt of
:11:22. > :11:26.specialised staff, and we are surrounded by the other specialties
:11:27. > :11:30.we need to support us, means that unless one is put into a situation
:11:31. > :11:36.of being surrounded by thosd services also, we have a significant
:11:37. > :11:42.problem in continuing to deliver. The countdown for the decishon on
:11:43. > :11:47.the future has begun. The hdalthier together consultation is thd biggest
:11:48. > :11:52.reorganisation of accident `nd emergency in over 70 years.
:11:53. > :11:57.Wythenshawe has good motorw`y links tram stop. One of the biggest
:11:58. > :12:00.concerns in the waiting rool is having to travel further th`n the
:12:01. > :12:10.local accident and emergencx. It can deliver `` difficult for patients
:12:11. > :12:16.who have large distances to travel. It should be a specialist hospital.
:12:17. > :12:21.The consultation ends on thd 30th of September.
:12:22. > :12:24.As you saw in Elaine's report, the North West Air Ambulancd
:12:25. > :12:26.Service brings its patients to Wythenshaw because
:12:27. > :12:28.it is the only hospital between Preston and Staffordshire that has
:12:29. > :12:32.This allows patients to be transferred quickly to
:12:33. > :12:38.With us now is Jenny Haskey from the North West Air Ambtlance.
:12:39. > :12:45.What is it going to mean for your service for the air Ambulance
:12:46. > :12:50.Service and its patients if Wythenshawe does not become a
:12:51. > :12:54.specialist hospital? Our prhority is to get the patients to the right
:12:55. > :12:57.hospital for the treatment `s quickly as possible. Losing
:12:58. > :13:01.specialist status will mean, as you have said, between Preston `nd
:13:02. > :13:14.Staffordshire, there will bd nowhere the helicopter, and next `` can land
:13:15. > :13:20.next to this specialist centre. So, it Salford becomes a specialist for
:13:21. > :13:26.trauma and you pick up a patient that needs urgent trauma care, what
:13:27. > :13:30.would happen? We would not be able to land, we would have to l`nd up a
:13:31. > :13:34.second or the site, and wait for a land ambulance to arrive to transfer
:13:35. > :13:40.the patient. It is adding on that time which is really crucial and
:13:41. > :13:47.critical for patients. The `ir ambulance has not been constlted
:13:48. > :13:52.separately about the propos`ls. If you had been, what would yot
:13:53. > :13:56.suggest? With the glove, in an ideal world, if the specialist centre to
:13:57. > :14:00.have a helipad on site next to their emergency department. We re`lise
:14:01. > :14:15.these things are very expensive but it is really important. You would
:14:16. > :14:19.not be able to do your job because you would not be able to get the
:14:20. > :14:24.patient to the specialist cdntre. Yes, anything that adds timd onto
:14:25. > :14:28.getting a patient to the spdcialist centre is difficult. Will you now be
:14:29. > :14:35.talking to them to get your point across? Yes, most definitelx.
:14:36. > :14:38.If I asked you to mention a few place names from the Lake
:14:39. > :14:40.District you might say Winddrmere, Ambleside ` maybe Hawkshead.
:14:41. > :14:42.But Carlisle probably wouldn't come readily to mind.
:14:43. > :14:45.Yet the city has now declardd itself City of the Lakes,
:14:46. > :14:48.even though it's miles away from the nearest body of water!
:14:49. > :14:50.Some in the Lake District are far from
:14:51. > :15:05.this is a district with a lot of lakes. I know many of them `re not
:15:06. > :15:12.lakes, but the fact is it h`s some beautiful bodies of water,
:15:13. > :15:16.surrounded by stunning scendry. TARDIS has a cathedral and ` castle,
:15:17. > :15:23.but it is pretty short on bodies of water. However, it has now named
:15:24. > :15:27.itself the city of the lakes. This is about raising the profild of
:15:28. > :15:32.Carlisle, and what better w`y than to highlight its proximity to one of
:15:33. > :15:37.the world's great attractions? Meanwhile, in the Lake District not
:15:38. > :15:44.everyone is impressed. It whll not do them any good because yot can
:15:45. > :15:47.imagine tourists arriving at Carlisle, imagining they will find
:15:48. > :15:55.themselves in the Lake District but they are 40 miles away. He has a
:15:56. > :16:00.point. The nearest lake is 40 miles `` 28 miles as the crow flids. It is
:16:01. > :16:08.29 miles if you drive. If you want to go to Windermere, it is 49 miles.
:16:09. > :16:15.Carlisle doesn't even come hnto the equation. Now, it is not considered
:16:16. > :16:22.part of the Lake District. The subject has certainly been buzzing
:16:23. > :16:26.on Twitter. Carlisle, city of the lakes? You might as well call
:16:27. > :16:30.Birmingham the city of Hadrhan s Wall. There are others who `re less
:16:31. > :16:37.bothered if this. Are some people, the appeal of the city offer that
:16:38. > :16:41.they have an complement what we have in the country. Whatever thd new
:16:42. > :16:50.strapline, there is only ond Lake District. It is like when Croydon
:16:51. > :16:52.claimed to be the real Lake District the couple of years ago bec`use it
:16:53. > :16:54.has more lakes. Cricket now, and Lancashire have
:16:55. > :16:56.made a good start in their crucial county chalpionship
:16:57. > :16:59.relegation decider against Liddlesex Lancashire need to win
:17:00. > :17:01.decisively to stay up. Stuart Pollitt is there and, Stuart,
:17:02. > :17:14.they've boosted Yes, before this lovely auttmnal
:17:15. > :17:20.rain came down at Old Trafford, Lancashire had a very good day
:17:21. > :17:28.indeed. They flew in a Pakistani fast bowler for this, but in the end
:17:29. > :17:36.they relied on two Lancastrhans Both of those boulders took four
:17:37. > :17:40.wickets to ball out Middlesdx. That gives Lancashire a really good
:17:41. > :17:45.chance of avoiding relegation. The nights are drawing in, then the
:17:46. > :17:49.liked is artificial for the final chapter of the cricket season. If
:17:50. > :17:53.Lancashire are to spend the winter as a Division 1 side, they lust
:17:54. > :17:59.catch and overtake opponents Middlesex. It is a huge club with a
:18:00. > :18:04.huge following, a wonderful cricket ground, so hopefully we shotld hold
:18:05. > :18:08.our state is. It is going to be difficult, we know that. I think the
:18:09. > :18:18.players are excited about these days because they could achieve something
:18:19. > :18:22.special. `` our status. Do the supporters believe they can overcome
:18:23. > :18:29.longer rods this time to kedp First Division cricket here at Emhrates
:18:30. > :18:32.Old Trafford? When we held the championship it was great, so
:18:33. > :18:37.hopefully we'll will see solething similar. Who's going to survive this
:18:38. > :18:44.weekend? It will be very difficult for Lancashire. I think Lancashire
:18:45. > :18:56.are going to go down. It will be difficult for them, but nevdr mind.
:18:57. > :19:01.BBC Radio 4 commentator has seen a lot of them over the season. What
:19:02. > :19:06.would relegation mean? The players do not want to be in division two.
:19:07. > :19:15.Bigger and better counties `re in division one. But it still leans a
:19:16. > :19:20.lot. Lancashire are on top, but avoiding relegation still looks like
:19:21. > :19:25.mission improbable. Lancashhre need to score at least 350 in thdir first
:19:26. > :19:30.innings tomorrow and win thd game to stay up. The batsmen have only
:19:31. > :19:34.managed more than 350 on three occasions this season. But hf the
:19:35. > :19:37.tough order comes good, thex have a good chance of beating Middlesex if
:19:38. > :19:44.they can also beat the weather. It is forecast that the forecast will
:19:45. > :19:46.be coming later on. And by the look of it, not a very good one coming.
:19:47. > :19:49.given permission to increasd Anfield's capacity by nearlx 14 000
:19:50. > :19:52.extra seats. It's part of a ?10 hundred million expansion plan,
:19:53. > :19:55.afternoon. Construction will begin next year for completion
:19:56. > :20:08.Today is officially the first day of autumn, the leaves are f`lling
:20:09. > :20:13.off the trees ` and the nights are well and truly drawing in.
:20:14. > :20:16.And an idyllic quiet corner of Lancashire is about to gdt
:20:17. > :20:20.The RSPB's Leighton Moss Nature Reserve will play host to the BBC's
:20:21. > :20:22.Autumnwatch nature programmd next month for the second year rtnning,
:20:23. > :20:39.and Peter Marshall is there to see how preparations are coming along.
:20:40. > :20:44.A beautiful view. It seems that Autumnwatch cannot resist this
:20:45. > :20:51.either. If you have a look through here, you will understand why. 70
:20:52. > :21:01.acres and all the wildlife that this attract. What more could prove ramp
:21:02. > :21:04.`` programme producers want? It seems that Autumnwatch is attracted
:21:05. > :21:11.by Leighton Moss as its manx visitors. It is a place to come to
:21:12. > :21:16.see a part of nature, reallx. There is a lot of wildlife, it is really
:21:17. > :21:27.accessible, baby easy, and there it is. It is nice! When you get to my
:21:28. > :21:34.age it is lovely to sit anywhere! Last medal got this real gel.
:21:35. > :21:37.Interesting behaviour. The BBC nature programme will return at the
:21:38. > :21:43.end of October. Drawn by thd variety of wildlife attracted to its
:21:44. > :21:48.reedbeds. We might have a flock of birds here next week, but when we
:21:49. > :21:54.returned in May not be here. They have to tailor what they tr`nsmit on
:21:55. > :21:59.what is here at the time. That is one of the exciting, unpredhctable
:22:00. > :22:05.elements of Autumnwatch. But it is not just about birds. You are also
:22:06. > :22:12.likely to spot something larger The publicity generated by Autulnwatch
:22:13. > :22:17.will benefit not only Leighton Moss. Leighton Moss is an area of
:22:18. > :22:23.outstanding natural beauty, so having Autumnwatch showcasing the
:22:24. > :22:29.area will benefit local bushnesses because visitors come to thd area to
:22:30. > :22:37.see the wildlife, and there is just so much to see here. It is
:22:38. > :22:44.absolutely fantastic. Last xear s visit soccer visitors incre`sed by
:22:45. > :22:50.70%. Another airing could provide a similar boost. Autumnwatch starts on
:22:51. > :22:55.Tuesday, October the 28th, `nd runs until the Friday. It is on BBC Two
:22:56. > :23:00.at eight o'clock. The producers could not ask for more than this,
:23:01. > :23:05.but they will be asking for more cake in the canteen because
:23:06. > :23:12.apparently the crew just loves it! Be looks very at home they `re. ``
:23:13. > :23:16.Peter looks very at home. across the region reeling! Look at
:23:17. > :23:23.the size of this ` it's a 90 pound common carp, caught by an alateur
:23:24. > :23:29.angler from Denton in Greatdr Manchester. Warren Harrison caught
:23:30. > :23:31.it during a fishing holiday earlier this month. It's believed to be the
:23:32. > :23:35.largest of its kind in the world. And that's not all he caught `
:23:36. > :23:55.they get bigger! 91 English pounds. What a fhsh. What
:23:56. > :24:00.a fish indeed. Back home after a two week fishing holiday, the sdventh of
:24:01. > :24:05.the year. But it was seventh time lucky. I have chased the big fish in
:24:06. > :24:13.Europe, and I have been tryhng to catch a fish over ?90, and H have
:24:14. > :24:23.actually done it. And this was the heaviest. At ?94, this was his catch
:24:24. > :24:28.of the day. The fish was in charge, and I slowly but surely got an inch,
:24:29. > :24:32.an inch, and it was 30 minutes later that I put the net under it and it
:24:33. > :24:38.was massive. I was elated. Unbelievable. Every dream h`d come
:24:39. > :24:43.true. And then there was thd baby of the bunch. Heavy perhaps, btt the
:24:44. > :24:51.lightest of them, tipping the scales at a mere 87 pound. As you can see,
:24:52. > :24:56.he spent decades waiting to make the monster catch, and denied hd has
:24:57. > :25:05.done it there is no stopping him. I am now under the hundred potnd carp.
:25:06. > :25:13.I think I will do it, my luck is in. He's rapidly becoming a big fish in
:25:14. > :25:15.a small pond. What if it had jumped out of his
:25:16. > :25:20.hands? They are really slippery.
:25:21. > :25:26.Can anyone spot a bit of a wardrobe clash?
:25:27. > :25:30.There is no talking before we go on air.
:25:31. > :25:34.By the time I realised you were winning it, it had taken me ten
:25:35. > :25:35.minutes to get into it and H did not have ten minutes to get back out of
:25:36. > :25:48.it! Do leaving. I have some good news
:25:49. > :25:50.for you. After a very dismal day today, tomorrow is fine and dry
:25:51. > :25:54.Eventually the afternoon will be the best part of the day. This line of
:25:55. > :25:57.rain that has moved just about everywhere through the afternoon has
:25:58. > :26:03.made a dismal end to the dax, and it is not over yet. Some areas look
:26:04. > :26:07.better now, but we have mord rain to come as we head through the evening
:26:08. > :26:13.and overnight. They will merge over the top of us, so there is lore
:26:14. > :26:18.waiting in the wings, and it will move everywhere. For many of us it
:26:19. > :26:23.will water the garden, but the good news is that is coming in over
:26:24. > :26:28.night, where it tends not to bother to many of us. The cloud cover run
:26:29. > :26:33.dream means it is not cool, it is 1213. Might be a NEET here `nd
:26:34. > :26:39.there, but that does not fedl too bad. When you get up tomorrow, there
:26:40. > :26:50.will be some showers around. They will move away relatively qtickly,
:26:51. > :27:00.and you can see that... You will see some spells of sunshine. As we get
:27:01. > :27:03.into the afternoon, it will be much brighter and it is a real nhce
:27:04. > :27:08.difference from the morning to the afternoon. When the weather fronts
:27:09. > :27:13.come through, we get a change in the wind direction. It will be cooler
:27:14. > :27:16.and fresher, so you will have hours of sunshine, but the best
:27:17. > :27:24.temperatures we can expect ` 16 degrees. You can feel that. It will
:27:25. > :27:28.feel fairly cold. Not a bad day Not too bad for the start of autumn.
:27:29. > :27:35.The cricketers will be pleased if it does not rain. We need good weather
:27:36. > :27:39.for the next few days. I wotld be interested to see what you board
:27:40. > :27:44.where tomorrow morning. Will we wear purple tomorrow? Have a
:27:45. > :27:50.lovely evening. Thanks for watching.