:00:00. > :00:00.Welcome to BBC Points West with Alex Lovell and David Garmston.
:00:00. > :00:13.He's confronted by a worshipper after talking about trade deals
:00:14. > :00:20.on alcohol inside a Sikh Temple in Brisitol.
:00:21. > :00:25.I don't want alcohol. I'm a practising Sikh. To me, that is
:00:26. > :00:27.absolutely outrageous. Mr Johnson says he was
:00:28. > :00:29.making a good point. We'll have the latest
:00:30. > :00:37.on the election campaign. Rough justice. A soldier
:00:38. > :00:41.from Wiltshire is trapped by paedophile hunters on
:00:42. > :00:46.his way to a non-existent date. The new housing estate where
:00:47. > :00:50.the homes appear very different from the terms of
:00:51. > :00:52.the planning consent. And journey's end - the fan from
:00:53. > :00:57.Austrialia who turned up for the There's been criticism of
:00:58. > :01:10.Boris Johnson after an uncomfortable He was taken to task for talking
:01:11. > :01:16.about boosting sales of alcohol Members of the community were also
:01:17. > :01:21.unhappy with other aspects Here's our political
:01:22. > :01:25.editor, Paul Barltrop. But plenty of phones recorded
:01:26. > :01:29.what happened at the Sikh What started as a standard
:01:30. > :01:38.political visit To deliver a strong and table
:01:39. > :01:45.approach to those... about boosting sales
:01:46. > :01:49.of whisky to India. Their religion
:01:50. > :01:57.disapproves of alcohol. When I heard that on the news, I was
:01:58. > :02:04.like, no way am I going to vote Tory. I don't want alcohol. I'm a
:02:05. > :02:05.practising Sikh. To me, that's outrageous.
:02:06. > :02:09.Later, a discussion about foreign affairs caused further friction.
:02:10. > :02:15.We think there is no more evidence to be produced. Are I don't think
:02:16. > :02:17.that's a very good answer. The Foreign Secretary's visit
:02:18. > :02:28.clearly didn't go well. Surprise the way it was handled. He
:02:29. > :02:33.did manage somehow. Could have been handled a little bit better. People
:02:34. > :02:38.are not happy about that. Not too many happy. Because, everybody wants
:02:39. > :02:43.some help there. It wasn't very useful? I think so, yeah. Not too
:02:44. > :02:45.many people happy about this. Up the road in Yate,
:02:46. > :02:49.he was on easier ground at a cafe - the day's only event where TV
:02:50. > :02:53.cameras were allowed. He was reluctant, but eventually
:02:54. > :03:03.explained what had happened earlier. I think, if I remember correctly, he
:03:04. > :03:07.she said she'd some personal experience of alcohol abuse within
:03:08. > :03:12.her family. I said I was sorry to hear about her own circumstances.
:03:13. > :03:17.That was the issue. There was a clear political significance to
:03:18. > :03:20.today's visit. This temple is in Bristol East, a Labour constituency
:03:21. > :03:26.the Tories would have much like to take. The visit shows their
:03:27. > :03:31.determination to hold on to a seat with the west ease smallest
:03:32. > :03:32.majority. As is so often the case with Boris Johnson, the atension was
:03:33. > :03:34.on other things. And this is what they'd
:03:35. > :03:36.hoped today's visit - but instead became
:03:37. > :03:43.another Boris moment. Joining me now from St George
:03:44. > :03:46.is the person who challenged Boris Johnson on today's visit
:03:47. > :04:00.to the Sikh Temple, Balbir Kaur. For coming on the programme. Why
:04:01. > :04:07.were you so offended? Sorry, I didn't hear you. Why were you so
:04:08. > :04:13.offended by what Mr Johnson said? Basically, he was standing inside
:04:14. > :04:22.the prayer room next to the holy book. He was promoting, selling
:04:23. > :04:28.alcohol to India. Doing free trade with India. It shocked me because
:04:29. > :04:33.he's in a temple which promotes no alcohol. Sikhism abhors alcohol at
:04:34. > :04:39.all times. Alcohol is not good for you. Also, the fact alcohol... Sorry
:04:40. > :04:45.to interrupt. It is doing so much damage already in India. There's so
:04:46. > :04:50.much people dying of alcoholism. The Indian Government is buying alcohol
:04:51. > :04:54.from Britain and then giving it away free to buy votes. Let me put the
:04:55. > :05:00.other side of the story to you, if I could. He'd covered his head, taken
:05:01. > :05:05.off his shoes. He was trying to respectful and not all Sikhs ban
:05:06. > :05:18.alcohol. Many Sikhs in Britain enjoy it and in India, billions of litres
:05:19. > :05:24.of the stuff are sold? It's not consumed by baptised Sikhs. He was
:05:25. > :05:29.in our temple which is about Sikhism. Alcohol is not something
:05:30. > :05:32.you will promote. If he wanted to talk about alcohol, he could have
:05:33. > :05:36.talked somewhere else. He should have made it apparent to the people
:05:37. > :05:40.who arranged this meeting, they should have done it outside the
:05:41. > :05:44.temple. It is not a place where they should be discussing alcohol.
:05:45. > :05:50.Especially to promote it. If he was saying they were doing something
:05:51. > :05:55.about stopping alcohol, I would have no objection. But it was the fact he
:05:56. > :05:59.was actually promoting it and he was promoting it to the fact of asking
:06:00. > :06:05.people to vote for them so they can do free trade with India so they can
:06:06. > :06:10.sell more and get more people drunk and let more people die. It needs to
:06:11. > :06:14.be stopped not just in India but in England as well. Governments should
:06:15. > :06:19.be standing against alcoholism not promoting it. Anybody who wants to
:06:20. > :06:24.vote for the Tories, who want to do free trade with any country with
:06:25. > :06:27.alcohol, should not be voted for. We're fighting against a bad line
:06:28. > :06:30.with you. We'll leave it there. Thank you for coming on the
:06:31. > :06:31.programme. Nice to see you. Thank you.
:06:32. > :06:34.And tomorrow, we're on the election trail again.
:06:35. > :06:36.This time in Cheltenham, a seat the Lib Dems
:06:37. > :06:38.would very much like to win back from the Conservatives.
:06:39. > :06:49.So, if you spot me and the sofa, come over and have a chat.
:06:50. > :06:53.A soldier from Wiltshire has admitted attempting to meet a child
:06:54. > :06:55.after being trapped by a vigilante detective.
:06:56. > :06:58.Private Sam Dallow thought he'd been chatting to a 14-year-old girl
:06:59. > :07:01.online and arranged to meet her at a train station.
:07:02. > :07:03.But when he arrived, he found he'd been set-up.
:07:04. > :07:05.It's the latest case to use evidence gathered by groups
:07:06. > :07:06.calling themselves Paedophile Hunters.
:07:07. > :07:14.their work has been heavily criticised by the police.
:07:15. > :07:17.What are you doing here? Waiting for a friend.
:07:18. > :07:20.Private Sam Dallow says he was waiting for a friend -
:07:21. > :07:23.But really he was waiting for what he thought was a 14
:07:24. > :07:25.-year-old girl he'd been chatting to online.
:07:26. > :07:26.That girl was actually Shane Brannigan -
:07:27. > :07:33.He poses as underage girls on the internet then tricks
:07:34. > :07:35.paedophiles into meeting him - before handing them
:07:36. > :07:45.You're scum. You are a disgusting individual.
:07:46. > :07:48.This meeting at a train station was all streamed live on Facebook -
:07:49. > :07:50.and then uploaded to Shane Brannigan's website
:07:51. > :08:00.It's the latest case to use evidence gathered by paedophile hunters.
:08:01. > :08:05.Shane Brannigan was posing as a young girl. As part of his work,
:08:06. > :08:10.Shane Brannigan printed those messages off and handed them over to
:08:11. > :08:18.police alongside the video of his meeting with Dalow. It's that
:08:19. > :08:23.evidence that's led Dalow to an offence of meeting a child. Dalow
:08:24. > :08:28.will be back on June 8th for sentencing. The judge said maximum
:08:29. > :08:29.credit will be given for admitting the offence but to expect a
:08:30. > :08:31.custodial sentence. It's the latest case to use evidence
:08:32. > :08:34.gathered by paedophile hunters. There's now at least 15
:08:35. > :08:36.of these groups in Britain. The vigilantes say they're
:08:37. > :08:38.helping out police forces - claiming their budgets
:08:39. > :08:41.are at breaking point - by doing the detective work
:08:42. > :08:50.detectives are unable They've no money, resources, no
:08:51. > :08:55.funding. There isn't enough people in the teams to do this. Leave it to
:08:56. > :08:59.people like me who care about the investigation.
:09:00. > :09:01.But the police are critical of these amateur detectives.
:09:02. > :09:03.They say they can jeopardise ongoing investigations giving paedophiles
:09:04. > :09:07.And their actions can have other consequences -
:09:08. > :09:09.This sting by paedophile hunters in Essex caused this mass
:09:10. > :09:13.brawl outside a shopping centre on Easter Sunday -
:09:14. > :09:29.they are taking the law into their own hands
:09:30. > :09:32.and they are taking in my view risks that are simply not acceptable
:09:33. > :09:34.and the risks that they are posing to children
:09:35. > :09:36.are simply inappropriate" As tonight Sam Dallow
:09:37. > :09:38.begins his sentence in prison - caught by another paedophile hunter
:09:39. > :09:43.- the debate about the vigilantes and their work continues.
:09:44. > :09:47.A wet Wednesday, and you're watching BBC Points West.
:09:48. > :09:50.Stay with us, as there's much more still to bring you tonight.
:09:51. > :09:55.We find out how gloucestershire students duped journalists
:09:56. > :10:07.And the rain will depart. Tomorrow is much brighter and drier. Details
:10:08. > :10:14.towards the end of the programme. A new housing development in Bristol
:10:15. > :10:21.has been pulled from the market as Three-bedroom homes were supposed
:10:22. > :10:26.to be built on the site in Bridgwater Road - but instead
:10:27. > :10:29.four-bed houses have appeared, Now the council is considering
:10:30. > :10:34.whether to pull the buildings down. These are three and
:10:35. > :10:42.four bedroom homes. The thing is, the developer,
:10:43. > :10:46.Highridge Homes, only has permission The planning application shows
:10:47. > :10:51.what they're supposed to look like. The reality is very different -
:10:52. > :10:55.they're taller, and include dormers Catherine Withers says
:10:56. > :11:10.no-one locally is against What they are against is
:11:11. > :11:14.the developers being allowed to get We're desperately disappointed
:11:15. > :11:19.with Bristol City Council, with the actions of the planning
:11:20. > :11:29.department. I got in touch with enforcement
:11:30. > :11:32.and we thought there's be some action in 10 days -
:11:33. > :11:35.no action was taken. For one resident, though,
:11:36. > :11:37.the development's Highridge Homes, using different
:11:38. > :11:41.trade names, has been using Jo Hopkins's address
:11:42. > :11:44.to drop off their deliveries. And she's now starting to get
:11:45. > :11:46.demands through the door On top of that, she believes they're
:11:47. > :11:50.trying to grab her land. This triangle of land
:11:51. > :11:53.belongs to her house. The developers need it
:11:54. > :11:55.for their access road. Jo says they've already knocked
:11:56. > :11:58.down the fence once, and used the land to put in gas
:11:59. > :12:01.and electricity supplies. Also, every attempt
:12:02. > :12:03.she's made to contact I just feels like
:12:04. > :12:11.nobody's listening. We've told the council
:12:12. > :12:14.about our land, we've reiterated the protocol about how to develop
:12:15. > :12:18.on land not solely owned If we come to sell, we'd be
:12:19. > :12:35.answerable if we let this go. High ridge homes have amollingised
:12:36. > :12:39.and will take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. As for the
:12:40. > :12:42.land, they say it was offered for sale but they declined to buy it.
:12:43. > :12:43.In a statement, Bristol City council acknowledges
:12:44. > :12:45.the development is unauthorised, and says a retrospective planning
:12:46. > :12:49.application has been submitted for consideration.
:12:50. > :12:51.A decision will be made by the Council's Development
:12:52. > :12:57.If councillors refuse planning permission they do have the power
:12:58. > :13:01.to force the developers to rebuild the homes to the correct size.
:13:02. > :13:04.But it's not something councils like to do.
:13:05. > :13:06.In the meantime, the estate agents marketing the homes have
:13:07. > :13:16.An inquest has heard that concerns were raised about the mental health
:13:17. > :13:20.of a young father from Cheltenham who took his own life in prison
:13:21. > :13:25.27-year-old Callum Smith had a history of mental illness
:13:26. > :13:29.when he was remanded in custody last February.
:13:30. > :13:32.after threatening to burn down his mother's house.
:13:33. > :13:35.His family want to know whether more could have been done
:13:36. > :13:39.Meanwhile in Bristol people at risk of a mental health
:13:40. > :13:41.crisis are being offered a new card to carry.
:13:42. > :13:47.It contains details of how they can be helped if they have a breakdown.
:13:48. > :13:50.The trial scheme is the first of its kind in the West and it's
:13:51. > :13:53.hoped it will relieve pressure on the emergency services.
:13:54. > :14:00.This is the first design of the card.
:14:01. > :14:03.Printed on one side are the details of helplines.
:14:04. > :14:07.But the idea is the person carrying the card fills in the other side.
:14:08. > :14:10.Meaning that someone who finds them in a mental health crisis might
:14:11. > :14:22.The ambition is that people have a better experience of response in a
:14:23. > :14:24.crisis situation but also that we can steer them away from using the
:14:25. > :14:26.blue light services. Mark's an artist and raises
:14:27. > :14:28.awareness of mental health through exhibitions -
:14:29. > :14:36.and his own experiences. Suffering from anxiety myself, I
:14:37. > :14:42.find it really hard to find my voice. So, I think those cards would
:14:43. > :14:48.be really, really good. All the information is there. So then when I
:14:49. > :14:51.feel like really anxious, if I'm in a social situation, somebody, if
:14:52. > :14:54.they do want to help me, they can see it all there in front of them.
:14:55. > :14:57.But if they're to work - people need to know to look for them.
:14:58. > :15:03.Jayne has epilepsy and has also struggled with depression.
:15:04. > :15:11.I've had it where people have walked past me and I've really needed help
:15:12. > :15:17.and I've felt really scared. Scared to ask anyone. You feel a bit of a
:15:18. > :15:23.freak. But if somebody goes up and they can look in your pocket and
:15:24. > :15:25.they can see it, then they know that you've got a problem. You can help
:15:26. > :15:26.somebody. At the moment there are only 1,500
:15:27. > :15:29.cards as part of the trial. But if it's successful they could be
:15:30. > :15:36.rolled out across the city. A video of a Gloucestershire
:15:37. > :15:41.student getting a first after finishing his assignment
:15:42. > :15:43.in a nightclub has gone viral But it turns out the film
:15:44. > :15:51.and story was entirely fake. University students created it
:15:52. > :15:55.as part of a project but then went one step further
:15:56. > :15:57.when the press got interested. Here's our Gloucestershire
:15:58. > :16:01.reporter, Steve Knibbs. It started as a project to create
:16:02. > :16:05.a comedy video and see how far it And it soon went viral -
:16:06. > :16:09.not long after the press association, a well respected
:16:10. > :16:12.trusted source, contacted the students who decided to keep
:16:13. > :16:15.the fake story going... PA published the story
:16:16. > :16:18.and which was then picked up by several news organisations
:16:19. > :16:32.online, including the BBC local A university student filmed working
:16:33. > :16:39.ons an he is say working in a nightclub revealed he got a first
:16:40. > :16:42.for the assignment. Shows a lack of diligence in the press. Makes you
:16:43. > :16:47.think what's real and fake out there. People should be wiser when
:16:48. > :16:53.they open their newspapers. I'm a little shocked in terms of they
:16:54. > :16:57.haven't checked their sources. Taken everything at face value. They were
:16:58. > :17:01.just a group of students trying to make a video viral. I call the fake
:17:02. > :17:03.news the enemy of the people. The fake news.
:17:04. > :17:06.Of course fake news isn't new, and this was just a frivolous story
:17:07. > :17:09.but the press association said it spoke to the students
:17:10. > :17:32.Were the students right to mislead the press in that way? We don't
:17:33. > :17:34.condone any students, or any members of the staff, deliberately
:17:35. > :17:38.misleading the press. What the Press Association didn't do was to contact
:17:39. > :17:42.our press office at the University of Gloucestershire and talk to us
:17:43. > :17:44.about the story. Had they done that, we had very explained the situation.
:17:45. > :17:46.This is the second time the film production course
:17:47. > :17:50.In this era of the internet, it seems that not believing everything
:17:51. > :17:52.you read and see may on occasion be true.
:17:53. > :18:05.Are you tell me the truth now? No, of course I am. Yes, I'm telling the
:18:06. > :18:07.truth. It is all staged. Who do we believe anymore? Helpfully our next
:18:08. > :18:08.guest. Ian Mean is a journalist with over
:18:09. > :18:10.50 years experience, with Gloucestershire Media,
:18:11. > :18:12.the Western Daily Press, the Daily Mail and the Express
:18:13. > :18:20.and he joins us now. Thank you for joining us. The fact
:18:21. > :18:27.checking here was done. The student said, this is real. What more could
:18:28. > :18:33.have been done? Well, Alex, they went out to deceive straightaway.
:18:34. > :18:38.There are two red lines in journalism, whether it's in print or
:18:39. > :18:46.broadcast media. One of those red lines is trust. And the other, the
:18:47. > :18:52.most important, is accuracy. In my view, the person who's running this
:18:53. > :18:57.course didn't do a great job. If he's actually encouraging students
:18:58. > :19:02.to lie - because that's what they did - let's be really clear, when
:19:03. > :19:10.Donald Trump talks about fake news as he has done a great deal today,
:19:11. > :19:15.in my view, that is untrue news. And it's totally unacceptable. Of
:19:16. > :19:20.course, we understand as you do, this was frivolous by the very
:19:21. > :19:22.nature of it. However, it can be more serious as you've alluded to,
:19:23. > :19:27.Donald Trump there, we're in a period coming up to an election. We
:19:28. > :19:31.are indeed. I think if you look at the political parties and you
:19:32. > :19:37.analyse the newspapers every morning, as you do and I do, you
:19:38. > :19:42.could say there's a lot of fake news in those newspapers. Fake news ie
:19:43. > :19:49.stories that are not going to come true. One of the issues I think we
:19:50. > :19:53.have today in journalism is that there's too much reliance,
:19:54. > :19:59.particularly by inexperienced reporters on social media. They grab
:20:00. > :20:02.at a social media story immediately, believing it to be totally true.
:20:03. > :20:09.Sometimes, without checking the facts. In this story, as Steve
:20:10. > :20:15.Knibbs did, it would have been clear early on with a simple call to the
:20:16. > :20:19.press office, was this a true story or was it frivolous? So, when you
:20:20. > :20:25.have a story like this, you know, I was always taught on the Daily Mail,
:20:26. > :20:31.you probably need three good sources to stand that story up and be clear
:20:32. > :20:34.that it is true. Of course, the Daily Mail's not always without
:20:35. > :20:38.blame but I do understand your point. With regards to consumers out
:20:39. > :20:43.there, people are sitting at home thinking, What am I meant to do? If
:20:44. > :20:47.it comes from a reputable source, then I believe it. Even these fake
:20:48. > :20:53.news stories people people doubt those. What would you do as a
:20:54. > :20:59.consumer? You make up your own mind. Whether you look at Points West or
:21:00. > :21:04.another channel or you buy my old paper the Daily Mail or the Daily
:21:05. > :21:11.Mirror. It is a simple choice. But you do need, Alex, trusted news. The
:21:12. > :21:15.Press Association you quoted in this story is the national news agency of
:21:16. > :21:19.this country. Highly yes reliable. Very, very respectable. The students
:21:20. > :21:27.lied to them basically. Well, thank you so much for joining us to
:21:28. > :21:32.discuss this. Very interesting. I think probably read as many papers
:21:33. > :21:37.as you can, listen to things. The social media site's taking it really
:21:38. > :21:39.seriously. They're going to have little alarms come up if there's any
:21:40. > :21:43.doubt to the validity of the story. Now, it's 40 years to the day
:21:44. > :21:45.that the BBC's Antiques Roadshow Today, the show was in Minehead
:21:46. > :21:49.kicking off it's new series, as ever, trying
:21:50. > :21:52.to unearth some gems. And the awful weather
:21:53. > :21:55.didn't put off the crowds, The queue told it's own story 3000
:21:56. > :22:18.people who weren't to be I have a nice little teddy here.
:22:19. > :22:27.He's 60 years old. His birthday soon. It is a 1930s German pillar
:22:28. > :22:33.drill. Where did that come from? My dad's shed. A wooden Meccano box.
:22:34. > :22:35.The Beatles, a hard day's night. Some had made quite
:22:36. > :22:38.an effort to be here. Like the man from from
:22:39. > :22:40.New Zealand desperate to get an Antiques Roadshow opinion
:22:41. > :22:49.on his vase. We watch the Antiques road show a
:22:50. > :22:53.lot. We enjoy it. When we were coming here, I thought, if there's a
:22:54. > :22:58.show on while we were here, I'd like to come. If you have brought any
:22:59. > :22:59.arms, armour, guns, knives... As for the experts, well, every show
:23:00. > :23:08.throws up a surprise or two. This morning, we have had a
:23:09. > :23:10.deactivated bomb from the 1930s. Now used as a door stop. It will not go
:23:11. > :23:16.bang, I can promise you that. Then there's John, who doesn't bring
:23:17. > :23:23.treasures to be valued. In fact, he's watched
:23:24. > :23:29.200 live shows. Do the now get bored? No, different
:23:30. > :23:32.place, different people, different items. It's all different.
:23:33. > :23:35.It's 20 years since Antique Roadshow was last here.
:23:36. > :23:38.It was a working railway station then.
:23:39. > :23:51.So did a Picasso, a hidden gem turned up today.
:23:52. > :23:54.Well, you'll need to wait until this show is broadcast.
:23:55. > :24:03.And that'll be some time in the autumn.
:24:04. > :24:10.Our locals are the hidden gems. And those people queueing up in the
:24:11. > :24:14.rain, I take my hat off to you. I would if it wasn't raining! We saw
:24:15. > :24:22.the rain but I think it will be a bit brighter. I've had an e-mail
:24:23. > :24:28.from someone asking if I've had enough rain for my garden. I've
:24:29. > :24:34.wished for it too much and am being blamed for it.
:24:35. > :24:41.Always this dichotomy with the weather, I'm conscious it is cold to
:24:42. > :24:45.wet, dry, we need to be somewhere down the middle. Some people want
:24:46. > :24:49.the rain and others will be quite the opposite. Let's look at the
:24:50. > :24:54.forecast into tomorrow. If you're not after further rain, a good deal
:24:55. > :24:58.of you will be pretty happy. It will be a very different day. A much
:24:59. > :25:01.brighter and warmer one. For the most part, a fair amount of sunshine
:25:02. > :25:05.around. There will be the risk of showers as well. Not necessarily
:25:06. > :25:09.every where. A favoured area for those which I'll come to in a
:25:10. > :25:14.minute. Here's how things shape up on a wider scale. The front giving
:25:15. > :25:17.the rain today easing out to the east. Taking the last of the
:25:18. > :25:22.drizzle. Skies clearing during the course of tonight. A much quieter
:25:23. > :25:26.story for the most part tomorrow barring the risk of some showers
:25:27. > :25:30.developing into the afternoon. For the time being, the rain is dragging
:25:31. > :25:33.its heels. A lot of drizzly rain at the moment still across some western
:25:34. > :25:37.areas. The back edge of all of this has been closing in through the
:25:38. > :25:42.likes of ex-poor into the Bristol Channel. It will take a while for
:25:43. > :25:46.the last of the light rain to go. Ultimately, the skies start to clear
:25:47. > :25:52.tonight. It will be a noticeably cooler or chillier night in places
:25:53. > :25:57.compared to the last two. Gones are the 13-15 Celsius. More like 5-8
:25:58. > :26:02.Celsius. Tomorrow, a bright and dry start. We'll see one or two showers
:26:03. > :26:07.forming towards late morning into the early afternoon. As the
:26:08. > :26:13.afternoon wears on, a strip through parts of Somerset, close to the
:26:14. > :26:17.Mendips across into Bath, North East Somerset and wilt shire catching
:26:18. > :26:22.showers. Temperatures tomorrow getting up to 16-18 Celsius. With
:26:23. > :26:29.light winds t will feel a good deal warmer. That's about from us now. No
:26:30. > :26:52.fake news. We better leave it there, I think. See you again tomorrow.
:26:53. > :26:56.The choice you now face is all about the future.
:26:57. > :27:01.Whoever wins on the 8th of June will face one overriding task -
:27:02. > :27:06.to get the best possible deal for this United Kingdom from Brexit,
:27:07. > :27:13.because making Brexit a success is central to our national interest