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:00:12. > :00:15.This is BBC World News Today with me Kirsty Lang. Pressure a News

:00:15. > :00:19.International mounts following allegations that the News of the

:00:19. > :00:22.world hacked into the form of a murdered schoolgirl.

:00:22. > :00:25.What I have read in the papers is quite shocking, that someone could

:00:25. > :00:30.do this actually knowing that the police were trying to find this

:00:30. > :00:33.person and trying to find out what had happened.

:00:33. > :00:36.The Dutch state is found responsible for the deaths of three

:00:36. > :00:42.Bosnian Muslims they handed over to Serbian forces just before the

:00:42. > :00:44.Srebrenica massacre. The human tragedy of unimaginable

:00:44. > :00:50.proportions - the UN's warning about the drought affecting 10

:00:50. > :00:54.million people in East Africa. And still mourning Salman Taseer -

:00:54. > :01:04.murdered Pakistani politician and Governor of Punjab province. We

:01:04. > :01:15.

:01:15. > :01:18.speak to his son, the novelist Hello and welcome. The methods

:01:18. > :01:21.employed by the British tabloid press to get scoops had been under

:01:21. > :01:24.the spotlight ever since it was first revealed that reporters from

:01:24. > :01:27.the News of the world had been hacking into celebrities phones.

:01:27. > :01:30.But this latest allegation that the phone of murdered schoolgirl Milly

:01:30. > :01:33.Dowler was also tapped into by a private detective working for the

:01:33. > :01:37.paper has caused a political storm. David Cameron said if it is true,

:01:37. > :01:39.it is a truly dreadful act. And the Ford car manufacturers have said

:01:39. > :01:49.they are pulling all advertising from the paper. Our political

:01:49. > :01:50.

:01:50. > :01:54.correspondent reports. Four months this scandal has been growing as

:01:54. > :01:59.more and more celebrities and politicians were informed their

:01:59. > :02:04.phones have been hacked. Now, a much more serious allegation has

:02:04. > :02:09.shocked the country. 13-year-old Milly Dowler went missing in 2002.

:02:09. > :02:13.Her body was found six months later. The latest claim is that the News

:02:13. > :02:19.of the World hacked into her phone where she was missing and that some

:02:19. > :02:24.messages may even have been deleted in the process. David Cameron, who

:02:24. > :02:30.is on a trip to Afghanistan, made his feelings clear. If they are

:02:30. > :02:34.true, this is a truly dreadful act and a dreadful situation. If what I

:02:34. > :02:38.have read in the papers is true, it is quite shocking that someone

:02:38. > :02:45.could do this, actually knowing that the police were trying to find

:02:45. > :02:50.this person and trying to find out what had happened. All this puts

:02:50. > :02:55.more pressure on Rebekah Brooks. She is the chief executive of News

:02:55. > :03:00.International in the UK. She was also the editor of the News of the

:03:00. > :03:04.World when Malik -- Milly Dowler went missing. She and other

:03:04. > :03:09.executives at the paper has always said she did not know about the

:03:09. > :03:13.actions of a few rogue reporters. News International argues she is as

:03:13. > :03:18.shocked as everyone else. They make it plain she does not intend to

:03:18. > :03:26.resign. She has been clear today that is absolutely what she will

:03:26. > :03:30.not do. This happened in 2002. She is now chief executive of a company

:03:30. > :03:34.in 2011. She is determined to get to the bottom of the issue.

:03:34. > :03:39.political heat has been turned up on their empire of Rupert Murdoch.

:03:39. > :03:43.The House of Commons will debate the allegations on Wednesday.

:03:43. > :03:48.Opposition politicians say they want a full require a set up. They

:03:48. > :03:54.also think Rebekah Brooks should go. The is was not just one individual.

:03:54. > :03:57.It was a series of things which happened. What I want from News

:03:57. > :04:02.International is for people to start taking responsibility. It is

:04:02. > :04:08.not just News International which has difficult questions to answer.

:04:08. > :04:10.The police originally said phone hacking which used to target a

:04:10. > :04:16.handful of celebrities. The latest claims prompt more uncomfortable

:04:16. > :04:19.questions about whether a blind eye was turned by Scotland Yard.

:04:19. > :04:23.The British actor Hugh Grant who has himself been the victim of some

:04:23. > :04:27.sensational stories in the News of the world has joined calls for a

:04:27. > :04:30.full public inquiry into the British media. He said the phone

:04:30. > :04:39.hacking issue now leads to questions about who we can trust in

:04:39. > :04:46.society. The problem with this whole issue has been that we cannot

:04:46. > :04:51.entirely trust the normal mechanisms to write a terrible

:04:51. > :04:55.wrong in the centre of our society. We cannot entirely trust the police.

:04:55. > :05:00.There is a new team now at the police to replace the old one which

:05:00. > :05:05.was clearly dragging their feet. To what extent they were in the pocket

:05:05. > :05:09.of News International we do not know. Rebekah Brooks has admitted

:05:09. > :05:14.that money often changed hands between News International and the

:05:14. > :05:18.Metropolitan Police. We cannot rely on that government sadly because

:05:18. > :05:23.successive administrations have needed the murder press so badly to

:05:23. > :05:27.get re-elected. They had been terrified of the revenge of News

:05:28. > :05:32.International, in terms of digging skeletons from their cupboards that

:05:32. > :05:37.they have basically been their puppets. We think we live in a

:05:37. > :05:41.democracy but really, our prime ministers are elected by Rupert

:05:41. > :05:46.Murdoch. It is a great wrong in this country and a public inquiry

:05:46. > :05:50.seems to me to be the beginning to how we uncover just how corrupt

:05:50. > :05:58.that whole cabal has been. Hugh Grant.

:05:58. > :06:03.With me now it is a broadcaster and media analyst Steve Hewlett.

:06:03. > :06:07.Picking up. Hugh Grant made about the political power wielded by News

:06:07. > :06:15.International in this country, could we see that unravelling it

:06:15. > :06:22.end his political storm? Maybe. It is an interesting question but

:06:22. > :06:28.Rupert Murdoch own some begging newspapers in their UK. Famously,

:06:28. > :06:35.it was said of elections that the sun won it but induce, what papers

:06:35. > :06:39.and others have been smart hats, by my analysis, is following public

:06:39. > :06:45.opinion. We did not need Rupert Murdoch to tell us that John Major

:06:45. > :06:49.had run out of road and Tony Blair was the up and coming thing. Nor

:06:49. > :06:54.that Gordon Brown had been finished either. You can overstate this

:06:54. > :07:01.matter. In terms of the influence of the press, there are all sorts

:07:01. > :07:06.of things conspiring to reduce that, not least the Internet. We heard

:07:06. > :07:10.tonight that Ford, the car manufacturer, is pulling

:07:10. > :07:16.advertising from News of the World. Presumably this will increase the

:07:16. > :07:25.pressure on the top executive of News International? No question. It

:07:25. > :07:30.represents that, we have known this practice has been going on on an

:07:30. > :07:35.industrial steel by which I mean in that -- phone hacking. The Milly

:07:35. > :07:43.Dowler story has seen this jump the wall. It is no longer Westminster

:07:43. > :07:49.village, and celebrities, and media land. It is now out in the public

:07:49. > :07:54.domain in a way which in packs on people more broadly. The

:07:54. > :07:57.advertisers are understandably, starting to think that appearing in

:07:57. > :08:03.the News of the World might make them not look the best in the face

:08:03. > :08:09.of their customers. This is a significant shift. It moves from

:08:09. > :08:16.the media fringes for the story to the mainstream. A change which will

:08:16. > :08:20.add to pressure on Rebekah Brooks who is the chief executive of News

:08:20. > :08:25.International but who was editor of News of the World at that time?

:08:25. > :08:31.There are three aspects. Generally, if it was this widespread, it looks

:08:31. > :08:37.like he was going on for years, certainly, for a good part of 2000

:08:37. > :08:42.and over a long period of time with a succession of editors. First, if

:08:42. > :08:46.it is that widespread, it is implausible that the senior

:08:46. > :08:51.management did not know about it. Secondly, it is hard to imagine

:08:51. > :08:56.that the editor of the paper at the time would not have been aware of

:08:56. > :09:00.the details. But even if you accept that both those counts mean that

:09:00. > :09:06.they knew nothing, give them every piece of doubt going, they still

:09:06. > :09:11.told us on a number of occasions they had inquired fully and found

:09:11. > :09:18.nothing. They have denied that every stage that this went on. Then

:09:18. > :09:21.they settled a very big civil action for at �800,000. They

:09:21. > :09:27.settled it out of court after the discovery process would have

:09:27. > :09:32.revealed to both sides some of what we now know was in the evidence

:09:32. > :09:35.that the police had. When they settled back case, there were

:09:35. > :09:41.people en News International at a senior level, who knew something

:09:41. > :09:45.had gone on. So even if they did not know what was going on at the

:09:45. > :09:53.time, they have been involved in something which I have to say looks

:09:53. > :09:56.like,... Thank you very much. It is 16 years since the massacre

:09:56. > :09:59.of nearly 8,000 Bosnian Muslims in the un administered enclave at

:09:59. > :10:01.Srebrenica. Today a Dutch appeals court found that the Netherlands,

:10:01. > :10:05.whose peacekeepers were guarding the UN declared safe zone, was

:10:05. > :10:08.responsible for the death of three Muslim men. In what is a landmark

:10:08. > :10:12.ruling - the court said Dutch troops should not have handed the

:10:12. > :10:22.three men over to Bosnian Serb troops who later murdered them. Our

:10:22. > :10:23.

:10:23. > :10:30.world affairs correspondent Peter Biles reports. Srebrenica July 1995.

:10:30. > :10:35.A so-called UN safe area but one that was overrun by Bosnian forces.

:10:35. > :10:39.The Bosnian Muslims thought they had the protection of Dutch UN

:10:39. > :10:45.peacekeepers. They were wrong. About 8,000 Muslim men and boys

:10:45. > :10:49.were massacred by the Bosnian Serbs. Today in a surprise legal ruling, a

:10:49. > :10:55.court in the Netherlands decided that the Dutch government bore some

:10:55. > :10:58.responsibility. The presiding judge said the appeals court believe the

:10:58. > :11:04.Dutch state had acted illegally towards the three Bosnian Muslims

:11:04. > :11:10.and would have to pay compensation. It has been a long painful legal

:11:10. > :11:14.ordeal for the relatives of the victims. I am after the killers of

:11:14. > :11:19.my family, the Serbs who lived in Bosnia. One of them works in the

:11:19. > :11:23.same building that I work in, can you imagine that? I have to go to

:11:23. > :11:27.my office every day to the same building and he is still there.

:11:27. > :11:32.Believe me, it is just one of the cases I had been dealing with for

:11:32. > :11:35.the last 15 years. The families had filed the loss it's because the

:11:35. > :11:41.three Bosnian men who were killed had been working for the Dutch

:11:41. > :11:44.peacekeepers. The outcome of the case surprised even the lawyers.

:11:44. > :11:49.did not consider this possible within the borders of the

:11:49. > :11:54.Netherlands. I thought we had to go outside to an international

:11:54. > :11:59.tribunal because we're all too much involved. It is too big and too

:11:59. > :12:06.much about, in her estate. I thought the court would not be able

:12:06. > :12:10.to disentangle themselves. -- our state. 16 years after the massacre,

:12:11. > :12:14.this court ruling about the three men who were turned over to the

:12:14. > :12:22.Serbs could have implications for similar cases against the Dutch

:12:22. > :12:25.state. David Cameron has made a direct

:12:25. > :12:29.appeal to the Taleban, telling them to put down their weapons and

:12:29. > :12:33.joined the political process but on the second day of his visit to

:12:33. > :12:41.Afghanistan, four and 80 soldiers were killed and the question

:12:41. > :12:49.remains, what will happen when the coalition forces finally draw down.

:12:49. > :12:53.-- four NATO soldiers. British troops in Helmand province.

:12:53. > :12:59.Dropping into area region the Taleban previously controlled. The

:12:59. > :13:04.Taleban, wisely, were not there to meet them. So far the soldiers have

:13:04. > :13:10.not run into any opposition. Usually when the insurgency NATO

:13:10. > :13:16.coming in strength, they retreat but not always. One of the

:13:16. > :13:23.villagers hopes things will improve without the insurgents around. The

:13:23. > :13:28.Taleban still her foot, he says. I am very poor but if I protest, they

:13:28. > :13:34.say I support NATO. Natal is successfully pushing the Taleban

:13:35. > :13:41.out of places like this. In Helmand, that is because 10,000 British

:13:41. > :13:44.troops are reinforced by 20,000 Americans. David Cameron said in

:13:45. > :13:49.Kabul today that progress was good enough to withdraw more British

:13:49. > :13:54.troops. He will make the announcement tomorrow. It will

:13:54. > :13:58.probably be just a few hundred soldiers but by 2015, there will be

:13:58. > :14:04.no British combat forces here at all. I think the British people

:14:04. > :14:08.deserve a deadline because we have been in Helmand problems since 2006.

:14:08. > :14:13.We had been in Afghanistan since 2001. I believe the Afghan

:14:13. > :14:20.government and people and Army deserve a deadline so they can plan

:14:20. > :14:25.properly towards transition. It is over to the Afghan forces. In the

:14:25. > :14:32.village, the police seemed willing to help themselves to food, just

:14:32. > :14:37.like the Taleban. They did find a Taleban ammunitions - in the garden.

:14:37. > :14:45.The insurgents haven't gone away. They were sniping at the soldiers

:14:45. > :14:50.on the operation we joined. The Afghan forces lack much. British

:14:50. > :14:55.officers say private lake there is still a big problem with corruption.

:14:55. > :15:02.The question now it is will the Afghans be able to do the job the

:15:02. > :15:07.British soldiers had been doing as they start to leave?

:15:07. > :15:10.Now a look at some other news: More than 30 people in Iraq have been

:15:10. > :15:13.killed by two co-ordinated bomb blast at a government office.

:15:13. > :15:16.Officials say the building in the town of Taji, about 20 kilometres

:15:16. > :15:19.north of Baghdad, was full of people at the time. The first

:15:19. > :15:29.attack was a car bomb, then a roadside bomb exploded as people

:15:29. > :15:32.

:15:32. > :15:41.Syrian security forces are reported to have shot dead LE6 anti-

:15:41. > :15:45.government protesters in Hama on the second day of clashes. They say

:15:45. > :15:48.they are continuing to surround Hama and the authorities are trying

:15:48. > :15:53.to assert control. The European Union has banned the

:15:53. > :16:03.sale of some categories of seeds and beans from Egypt. The report

:16:03. > :16:04.

:16:04. > :16:09.macro says a single batch of that seeds was the likely source of E-

:16:09. > :16:13.coli eight that killed 50 people. Prince William and Catherine have

:16:13. > :16:20.arrived in the far north of Canada for the latest up in their first

:16:20. > :16:28.official tour. They are meeting groups and will have an afternoon

:16:28. > :16:33.of singing and art export. The United Nations refugee agency

:16:33. > :16:41.has said the drought in East Africa is a tragedy of unimaginable will

:16:41. > :16:48.proportions. Many people are facing shortages of food, shelter and

:16:48. > :16:54.health services. This report from Ben Brown.

:16:54. > :17:00.Day after day, mile after mile, they walk and they walk. These are

:17:00. > :17:06.the people of the drought. They are also escaping from the civil war in

:17:06. > :17:12.Somalia. They walk vast distances a cross land where it no longer seems

:17:12. > :17:19.to rain. Some are sick, like this six month old. Some will die along

:17:19. > :17:24.the way. These people we came across are from the same village.

:17:24. > :17:31.What they carry it is all they possess.

:17:31. > :17:38.The journey was too long. We have no food. No water. There were

:17:38. > :17:44.threats from wild animals. This group of villagers have been

:17:44. > :17:49.walking for five days to get here. Others travelled longer than that,

:17:49. > :17:53.sometimes several weeks. They are looking for food, water and medical

:17:53. > :17:59.supplies. And they are pleading for help from the international

:17:59. > :18:06.community. When they arrive at the Dadaab camp, they are desperate.

:18:06. > :18:10.The camp has been overwhelmed. The United Nations say they give basic

:18:10. > :18:15.rations to everyone who arrives. Some refugees say they can wait for

:18:15. > :18:20.days and weeks without getting proper food supplies. Unless we can

:18:21. > :18:25.get aid into this part of the world and increase our operation to meet

:18:25. > :18:32.the growing need, this crisis could turn into a catastrophe. This is

:18:32. > :18:36.what we have to stop. The most vulnerable in the camp are the

:18:36. > :18:44.malnourished children who have just arrived. Often they die within a

:18:44. > :18:50.day of getting here. And so the graveyards are filling up fast.

:18:50. > :19:00.Mainly, it is children and babies. Families who come in search of food

:19:00. > :19:01.

:19:01. > :19:04.and water have found death instead. A Libyan government spokesman

:19:04. > :19:09.denied negotiations are taking place about Colonel Gaddafi giving

:19:09. > :19:15.up power or seeking safe refuge. Moussa Ibrahim said the claims were

:19:15. > :19:19.untrue. Talks have taken place in Italy, Egypt and Norway with senior

:19:19. > :19:28.figures in the Libyan opposition, but they focus on finding a

:19:28. > :19:33.peaceful way out of the conflict. Crossing Libya's empty desert is

:19:33. > :19:37.exhausting. For the journalists, and even for the camels. We are on

:19:37. > :19:42.our way to the front line to meet the loyal fighters of Colonel

:19:42. > :19:49.Gaddafi, we are told. Instead, after 10 hours' driving, this is

:19:50. > :19:55.where we end up. It is, we are told, the latest handiwork of NATO. The

:19:55. > :20:02.point of the trip becomes apparent, to witness how NATO is to strike

:20:02. > :20:12.Libya's economic infrastructure. -- is destroying. The welcoming

:20:12. > :20:17.

:20:17. > :20:24.committee is out and in a full voice. We are not army. Look. But,

:20:24. > :20:29.we are standing here. This is our land. The anger may be genuine. As

:20:29. > :20:35.with so much in Libya, it is hard to tell what is real and what is

:20:35. > :20:39.staged for the cameras. We have been brought here to see the damage

:20:39. > :20:46.that the locals say was caused by a NATO strike and to a family home,

:20:46. > :20:50.which they say was destroyed by the NATO strike. Once again, there are

:20:50. > :20:57.strange things about the bomb site. In particular, this, an ejector

:20:57. > :21:02.seat from a fighter jet. It appears to be from a Russian-built aircraft.

:21:02. > :21:08.Nobody can explain what it is doing in the middle of a bombed site

:21:08. > :21:15.supposedly caused by NATO. There are other anomalies. Spent aircraft

:21:15. > :21:22.around sleaze to the ground. -- anti-aircraft rounds of litter the

:21:22. > :21:26.ground. And we are taken to see this. The regime say they have seen

:21:26. > :21:30.this been smuggled to the rebels from NATO ships in the

:21:30. > :21:36.Mediterranean. When we say we need people to discuss peace fully how

:21:36. > :21:42.to solve the Libyan crisis, nobody agrees to sit down with us. When it

:21:42. > :21:48.comes to supplying weapons to the rebels, everybody wants to.

:21:48. > :21:52.message is that it is NATO and its allies that is fuelling the war.

:21:53. > :21:58.The only problem is that nobody outside Tripoli seems to believe

:21:59. > :22:05.them. A Pakistani religious scholar has

:22:05. > :22:09.demanded the killer of a politician be released from prison. Salmaan

:22:09. > :22:14.Taseer was a prominent liberal politician when he was murdered by

:22:14. > :22:20.his bodyguard. His assassin has since been turned into a martyr by

:22:20. > :22:29.Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan. The murdered man's San it is the

:22:29. > :22:34.novelist Aatish Taseer, whose novel tells of someone who goes to meet

:22:34. > :22:38.the father he has never met. It must be distressing for you to hear

:22:39. > :22:45.the calls for your father's murder to be released from prison. It is

:22:45. > :22:53.hideous but sadly predictable. has been turned into a martyr.

:22:53. > :23:00.killer is a hero. There are posters celebrating him. It is to hideous.

:23:00. > :23:05.Do your family hope... They hope he will be brought to trial, but do

:23:05. > :23:10.they fear he will not be brought to trial? There is that fear. It would

:23:10. > :23:16.take a strong government to have the courage to bring him to trial.

:23:16. > :23:22.I fear there is not the political will to do that. And there is a

:23:22. > :23:26.groundswell in Pakistan in support of the killer. It is a very small

:23:26. > :23:31.beleaguered number of people who are standing by my father and what

:23:31. > :23:41.he represented. I understand your novel, Noon, has been dragged into

:23:41. > :23:41.

:23:41. > :23:47.the debate. The first book, stranger to History, has been used.

:23:47. > :23:52.It is the worst nightmare to have your writing that was written at

:23:52. > :23:58.another time with another intention to be used in this way and turned

:23:58. > :24:04.against. It is a horrible thing to go through. I cannot speak for the

:24:04. > :24:10.book. It is now in unsafe hands, as it were. They are trying to insure

:24:10. > :24:15.it towards the conclusion and some how damaged my father's credentials

:24:15. > :24:20.as a Muslim, almost making the case that he deserve to die because he

:24:20. > :24:25.was not a good enough Muslim. This shows you the society we are

:24:26. > :24:29.thinking about. You did not meet your father until you were 21. Your

:24:29. > :24:39.parents separated when you were young. Was it a problem for him

:24:39. > :24:44.that you were born of a Indian mother. It was damaging. It is

:24:44. > :24:50.something they used against him. In the trial it is a victory for the

:24:51. > :24:56.prosecution lawyer to prove that he had an association with this woman

:24:56. > :25:02.and a half Indian child. It was damaging. Do you feel Indian or

:25:03. > :25:10.Pakistani? I feel Indian in the undivided sense. When I am in

:25:10. > :25:19.Punjab, I feel a monk my own people. I have no love for the idea of

:25:19. > :25:25.Pakistan -- I feel a month my own people. -- amongst my own people.

:25:25. > :25:31.Will your new book be published in Pakistan? I am not sure. I hope it

:25:31. > :25:37.will be distributed in Pakistan. This is a volatile time. Because of

:25:37. > :25:45.the way that the other book was used, I am almost reluctant to have

:25:45. > :25:50.my writing published in Pakistan. Thank you very much.

:25:50. > :25:58.Before we go, breaking news is coming in. The ratings agency

:25:58. > :26:03.Moody's has cut Portugal's credit rating by it four levels. It is two

:26:03. > :26:08.notches above junk territory. It is said it will need a second round of

:26:08. > :26:14.bail-out before it can return to the capital markets. And a reminder

:26:14. > :26:18.of the main stories. Pressure is growing for the chief executive of

:26:18. > :26:23.News International Media Group to resign. This follows allegations

:26:23. > :26:27.that a private investigator or was working for the News Of The World

:26:27. > :26:31.and hacked into the mobile phone of a missing British schoolgirl.

:26:31. > :26:39.Rebekah Brooks says she is appalled by the allegations and has written

:26:39. > :26:46.to the family. And an appeal court in the Netherlands has found the

:26:46. > :26:56.Dutch state was responsible for deaths in Srebrenica in 1995.

:26:56. > :27:04.

:27:04. > :27:09.In the sunshine in eastern England today the temperature reached up to

:27:09. > :27:15.the are per 20s. But keep the umbrella us tomorrow, because there

:27:15. > :27:20.will be heavy showers. Low-pressure moving in from the Atlantic and

:27:20. > :27:27.that will dominate the weather for the rest of the week. We will have

:27:27. > :27:35.unsettled weather. These are the showers throughout a Wednesday. At

:27:35. > :27:40.4pm, it is not constant rain. They will be showers with brighter

:27:40. > :27:46.spells in between. But the showers could well be heavy and thundery of.

:27:46. > :27:51.In London, we make it up to 22 degrees. In the showers,

:27:51. > :27:55.temperatures will drop quickly. More general rain will approach

:27:55. > :28:01.south-west England towards the end of the afternoon. In Northern

:28:01. > :28:07.Ireland, sunshine and showers. In the sunshine, it will not feel too