:00:14. > :00:19.This is BBC World News today with me, David Eades. Cold and come,
:00:19. > :00:24.powered by drugs, pursuing his own revolution. It portrait of Anders
:00:24. > :00:30.Behring Breivik by his lawyer. is in a war. He sinks that the rest
:00:30. > :00:34.of the world cannot understand his point of view. -- she thinks.
:00:34. > :00:37.happens if nobody blinks? The deadline looms on the US debt
:00:37. > :00:41.crisis with growing signs of antagonism between Republicans and
:00:41. > :00:45.Democrats. The Palestinian solution for
:00:45. > :00:50.statehood, a negotiating chip or a genuine bid for UN recognition?
:00:50. > :01:00.And new art but with a traditional Islamic influence, we look at the
:01:00. > :01:04.
:01:04. > :01:07.shortlisted works for the Jameel Welcome to the programme. The
:01:08. > :01:11.lawyer of the man who has admitted carrying out the mass killings in
:01:11. > :01:15.Norway on Friday has said everything about the case suggests
:01:15. > :01:20.his client is insane. He said it was too early to know whether
:01:20. > :01:23.Anders Behring Breivik would pleasing sanity at his trial. He
:01:23. > :01:27.said that he had used drugs before the attacks and expected to be
:01:27. > :01:37.killed during the operation. He believes himself to be at war with
:01:37. > :01:41.democracy. -- pleading insanity. The official naming of Norway's
:01:41. > :01:45.debt is underway. A shocking reminder that most victims were
:01:45. > :01:47.children or very young adults. Among them, Ismail Haji Ahmed, a
:01:47. > :01:56.Among them, Ismail Haji Ahmed, a 20-year-old model and dancer. The
:01:56. > :02:03.youngest, Johannes Buo, just 14. Among stores tipped as future stars,
:02:03. > :02:09.Tore Eikeland, 21, and described as one of the country's most promising
:02:09. > :02:12.use -- most promising youth politicians. Among those missing
:02:12. > :02:17.trying to swim away was Hanne Kristine Fridtun, who addressed the
:02:17. > :02:20.Labour Party conference in April. And Monica bowside, who had run the
:02:20. > :02:24.And Monica bowside, who had run the summer camp for years. This is
:02:24. > :02:32.their self-confessed killer, Anders Behring Breivik. Today, the lawyer
:02:33. > :02:37.defending him described him as insane. This whole case, he has
:02:37. > :02:42.indicated he is insane. What does he say? He says the rest of the
:02:42. > :02:49.world does not understand his point of view. He thinks that in 60
:02:49. > :02:53.years' time, we will understand him. He was asked if he showed any
:02:53. > :02:57.remorse. He says that he is sorry that he had to do this but that it
:02:57. > :03:02.was necessary to start the revolution in the Western world.
:03:02. > :03:05.An exchange a text messages between a 16-year-old girl and her mother
:03:05. > :03:15.at a height of the attack has been released by the family.
:03:15. > :03:29.
:03:29. > :03:36.teenager believes that private is a The girl survived the massacre. And
:03:36. > :03:41.this is part, just part of Norway's response to that. AC of flowers
:03:41. > :03:45.outside Oslo Cathedral. -- A C. Norwegians say they are determined
:03:45. > :03:49.to prove the killer wrong in every way. Wrong for what he did, and
:03:49. > :03:53.also wrong if he really believed that the massacre would destroy
:03:53. > :03:56.Norway or start some kind of revolution. But some Norwegians are
:03:56. > :04:01.critical of the police and the Government. The police, for taking
:04:01. > :04:06.too long to reach the island, and the Government for failing to
:04:06. > :04:13.provide helicopters for a rapid response. I do not think this could
:04:13. > :04:20.have gone faster. I cannot see how that could have been possible under
:04:20. > :04:25.these conditions. By we will always try to be better, but I cannot see
:04:25. > :04:30.how we could have done this faster. For now, Norway's focuses on the
:04:30. > :04:34.dead and those still missing. Each evening, the police release more
:04:34. > :04:42.names as the terrible process of identifying all of -- all who have
:04:42. > :04:45.been lost goes on. As the days pass, events will be
:04:45. > :04:51.seen with an ever more critical eye in Norway, hence the focus on the
:04:51. > :04:55.speed with which the police reach the island where Breivik went on
:04:55. > :05:00.that run page. The father of one young man who died spoke today of
:05:00. > :05:05.the phone call he had with his son as the killing started. "Dad,
:05:05. > :05:10.someone has started shooting", those were the last words he heard
:05:10. > :05:15.his son utter. Gavin Hewitt has been talking to some of the
:05:15. > :05:19.rescuers. Across from the island were so many
:05:19. > :05:23.died, there are people still waiting with young people still
:05:23. > :05:29.missing. What is emerging here is the story of those rescued and
:05:29. > :05:34.questions about the police response. The heart of the rescue was a
:05:34. > :05:37.campsite and small boats. This couple launched their boats to help
:05:37. > :05:42.people swimming from the island when a man dressed as a policeman
:05:42. > :05:48.was hunting down their friends. first thing was that they did not
:05:48. > :05:53.trust us. They shouted from the water, "Can I trust you?" And we
:05:53. > :05:56.had to give them some comfort, to say that yes, they could trust us.
:05:56. > :06:00.The gunmen roamed the island for over an hour and many of the young
:06:00. > :06:06.people were using their mobiles to call for help. So one had to call
:06:06. > :06:10.the police and then some of the girls said that they had already
:06:10. > :06:16.but they did not believe them. injured were driven to the nearby
:06:16. > :06:20.town, where the police were waiting for assault units. The robot -- the
:06:20. > :06:25.road block terrified those rescued. There was a police woman with a
:06:25. > :06:29.black suit and a gun. And all the seven people in the car were
:06:29. > :06:34.screaming. They shouted at me, don't stop, don't stop! Because
:06:34. > :06:39.that is how the guy was dressed. When the Swat teams arrived, they
:06:39. > :06:42.used a local police boat but it was too small for them. It quickly to
:06:42. > :06:52.corn water and broke down so they have to turn to private boats like
:06:52. > :06:52.
:06:53. > :06:57.this. This was the boat eventually used by the Swat teams. They
:06:57. > :07:02.captured the gunman after just two minutes. It was a press helicopter
:07:02. > :07:07.that took this picture of Breivik on the island. But the police
:07:07. > :07:09.helicopter was to the south and the police team travelled by road. The
:07:09. > :07:13.local community is reluctant to criticise the police response, but
:07:13. > :07:18.it is the people of a small campsite who were the rescuers of
:07:18. > :07:25.shivering and injured young people. I have seen things that nobody
:07:25. > :07:29.should have to see. The overriding problem was that the gunman had
:07:29. > :07:33.calculated that by setting off an explosion in Oslo, he would draw
:07:33. > :07:43.the police there while he had time to massacre young people at a
:07:43. > :07:46.summer camp. Aslak Sira Myhre is the former
:07:46. > :07:49.leader of the Red Electoral Alliance Party who has often warned
:07:49. > :07:52.about extreme right-wing sentiment in Norway. I put it to him that
:07:52. > :07:59.this kind of violence was on a different level from the far right
:07:59. > :08:05.debate that has been going on in recent years. This is extremely
:08:05. > :08:11.special, rare and horrible in awe way. But the question of right-wing
:08:11. > :08:18.terror is not new, neither in the world nor in Norway. We seem to be
:08:18. > :08:21.starting to think that the act of violence against innocents is
:08:21. > :08:25.something with the characteristics of the other, something that
:08:25. > :08:32.fundamentalist Muslims, the other, not Europeans, have within them.
:08:32. > :08:36.But if we look at our history, especially in Norway, the few acts
:08:36. > :08:42.of terror that have been perpetrated in Norway have been
:08:43. > :08:47.from Neil Nazis, racists and the extreme right. -- neo-Nazi is.
:08:47. > :08:51.D Maycock you're fellow countrymen and women, who by and large
:08:51. > :08:58.probably did think this was some sort of Islamic fundamentalist
:08:58. > :09:01.attack. That is what Western Europe has come to expect. There are many
:09:01. > :09:05.lessons to be learned from this and one of the lessons is that we all
:09:05. > :09:09.fought in the beginning that this had to be Muslims. Some of us
:09:09. > :09:16.because of the war that Norway has participated in in Afghanistan and
:09:16. > :09:24.in Libya, but all too many because we think it is them, it is always
:09:24. > :09:28.them. Secondly, it is interesting to learn from how we reacted. It
:09:28. > :09:31.seemed to be a fundamentalist Islamic attack and probably does
:09:31. > :09:36.said they would stand by Norway in the struggle and used the same
:09:37. > :09:41.rhetoric as they used after 9/11 and as they have used in the war of
:09:41. > :09:48.terror. And when it seems to not be a fundamentalist Muslim attack but
:09:48. > :09:51.the opposite, it is not a Muslim butter muslin 80, then it changes
:09:51. > :10:00.and it becomes storm back sorry to interrupt but you have a level of
:10:00. > :10:05.criticism there of the knee-jerk response to a major event like this.
:10:05. > :10:08.What about the proper response, the ways that Norwegians have come out
:10:08. > :10:12.in hundred some -- in their hundreds of thousands and expressed
:10:12. > :10:16.the need for greater openness and tolerance? I am extremely proud to
:10:16. > :10:21.be Norwegian these days. It is fantastic to see how our country
:10:21. > :10:31.has reacted and stood together, how people want to share the grief of
:10:31. > :10:36.the wounded and the families of the dead, how people react as a nation.
:10:36. > :10:42.There is only one thing to say, I am proud and hopefully we can use
:10:42. > :10:46.this to change the way that we speak and discuss things in the
:10:46. > :10:52.future. Unfortunately, I am not certain that we would have reacted
:10:52. > :10:55.the same way if this was a Norwegian Muslim boy with
:10:55. > :10:58.connections to Al-Qaeda. I am not certain that we would have been
:10:58. > :11:03.able to react in the same collective way, but we should be
:11:03. > :11:09.able to do that. I think this is one of the things that we can take
:11:09. > :11:17.out of this tragic catastrophe, that this is the way that we should
:11:17. > :11:21.act on all kinds off charges -- national tragedies.
:11:21. > :11:25.To the story that everyone said was bound to end in a deal and yet,
:11:25. > :11:30.like a classic thriller, the American debt crisis is moving ever
:11:30. > :11:34.closer to the precipice. In seven days' time, the US government could
:11:34. > :11:37.default on its debts if Republicans and Democrats fail to settle their
:11:37. > :11:41.differences and raise the debt ceiling as required by law to allow
:11:41. > :11:46.further borrowing. Seven days may sound like one enough but the two
:11:46. > :11:50.sides are drifting further from a compromise.
:11:50. > :11:54.-- like long enough. Six days and counting before the world's biggest
:11:54. > :11:59.bore a were risks defaulting on its debts and a new global economic
:11:59. > :12:03.crisis. -- borrow or risks. President Obama
:12:03. > :12:07.and his opponents are at a stalemate.
:12:07. > :12:13.Unfortunately, a Republican House met -- house members has said that
:12:13. > :12:20.the only way they will vote to prevent the default is that if the
:12:20. > :12:23.rest -- is it the rest of us agreed to... The battle is being fought
:12:23. > :12:27.out on television with of Republican leaders saying that
:12:27. > :12:32.Obama is holding up the deal. President wanted a blank cheque six
:12:32. > :12:36.months ago and he wants a blank cheque today. As the threat of
:12:36. > :12:41.meltdown draws closer, opinion poll numbers just favour Obama. More
:12:41. > :12:44.Americans prefer his next of spending cuts and tax rises. With
:12:44. > :12:49.world stock markets down, fears are growing that the US could actually
:12:49. > :12:58.do fault and see its credit rating downgraded. -- actually default.
:12:58. > :13:02.have a default or to have a significant downgrading of the
:13:02. > :13:06.United States signature would be a very serious event, not for the
:13:06. > :13:10.United States alone, but for the global economy at large. Behind
:13:10. > :13:14.these windows, politicians are feeling the pressure. Four lines of
:13:14. > :13:19.the US Congress are jammed after President Obama called on Americans
:13:19. > :13:24.to lobby their representatives to get a deal done. -- form lines. For
:13:24. > :13:30.the first time, there is the smell of panic in air. The inconceivable
:13:30. > :13:37.could happen and America will be unable to pay its bills. After that,
:13:37. > :13:39.no one is sure what will happen. Time for a look at some of the
:13:39. > :13:45.day's other news. New figures suggest the British economy
:13:45. > :13:48.achieved only feeble growth in the three months to June as output rose
:13:48. > :13:52.just 0.2%. Experts think it may have been affected by one-off
:13:52. > :13:55.factors including a bank holiday for the royal wedding in April.
:13:55. > :14:00.Observers say the figures may increase pressure on the Government
:14:00. > :14:04.to take steps to boost the recovery. 78 people were killed and three
:14:04. > :14:08.seriously injured when a Moroccan military transport plane crashed
:14:08. > :14:12.into a mountain in the south of the country. The Hercules C-130
:14:12. > :14:17.aircraft was attempting to land near the city of Guelmim. The army
:14:17. > :14:22.blames poor weather for the crash. There were nine crew, 60 troops and
:14:22. > :14:25.12 civilians on board. NATO bombing raids in Libya are
:14:25. > :14:28.putting the health service in Tripoli under strain according to
:14:28. > :14:32.the United Nations mission in the country. They say that medical
:14:32. > :14:36.supplies are running low and most foreign medical staff have left the
:14:36. > :14:41.city. The mission has highlighted shortages in food, electricity and
:14:41. > :14:46.petrol with power cuts rising prices and the queues at fuel
:14:46. > :14:49.stations. China has ordered a rail safety
:14:49. > :14:53.campaign amid public outrage following a train crash that killed
:14:53. > :14:59.nearly 40 people. The cause of the crash is not yet known. Chinese
:14:59. > :15:02.media say the government has begun to compensate victims' relatives.
:15:02. > :15:07.The funeral has taken place in London of Amy Winehouse, found dead
:15:07. > :15:12.at her home on Saturday. The service included prayers in both
:15:12. > :15:18.English and Hebrew. It ended with the congregation being invited to
:15:18. > :15:28.sing Amy Winehouse's favourite song, So Far Away, by Carol Kane. The
:15:28. > :15:29.
:15:29. > :15:34.cause of her -- has not yet been Palestinians have the support of
:15:34. > :15:40.the Arab state, but Israel and the United States to oppose the move.
:15:40. > :15:47.They want peace talks to be be entered. Jon Donnison reports from
:15:47. > :15:54.Ramallah. Palestinians. A people without a state. They conflict with
:15:54. > :16:02.Israel, the Middle East's most difficult problem. Negotiations
:16:02. > :16:08.have failed. President -- President Obama launched the most recent plea
:16:08. > :16:17.for peace. But talks collapsed after less than a month. Now the
:16:17. > :16:21.Palestinians have changed tack. territory has been occupied for 63
:16:21. > :16:25.years now. We need best solution based on international doors like
:16:25. > :16:33.other countries. We want to be represented in the United Nations
:16:33. > :16:43.other country. The President is threatening to go to the UN's
:16:43. > :16:45.
:16:45. > :16:50.general Assembly in October to pushed to become a member state.
:16:50. > :17:00.Some in the international community are of similar mind. I want to get
:17:00. > :17:01.
:17:01. > :17:11.Inigo see Asian restarted again at some point -- a negotiation. But at
:17:11. > :17:12.
:17:12. > :17:17.a vote, Pallister -- Israel has a key ally in the United States. In
:17:17. > :17:21.has the power of veto and can block the Palestinian move. But the
:17:21. > :17:24.Palestinians say they are pushing ahead regardless. Most Palestinians
:17:24. > :17:31.here know that the UN bid in September will not change reality
:17:31. > :17:39.on the ground. Good will not end his role's occupation. But for the
:17:39. > :17:42.Palestinian leadership, it is about putting pressure on Israel.
:17:42. > :17:45.To discuss this some more I'm joined here in the studio by Manuel
:17:45. > :17:47.Hassassian, the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, and from our
:17:47. > :17:50.New York studio by Akram Baker, a Palestinian political analyst and
:17:50. > :17:55.former advisor to Faisal Husseini, First Minister of Jerusalem Affairs
:17:55. > :18:00.under Yasser Arafat. The Israelis will not take this. The Americans
:18:00. > :18:05.don't want it. What is the point? Is well should understand that by
:18:05. > :18:10.us going to the UN, it is a serious thing for it is rare to understand
:18:10. > :18:19.that they have to have engaged back in the political process. But the
:18:19. > :18:25.message coming back from the other side is that you must re-engage.
:18:25. > :18:28.Our first and second and third options are negotiations. But we
:18:28. > :18:35.have no option to go to the United Nations. But they should not be
:18:35. > :18:40.understood that it is a substitute for negotiations. If the United
:18:40. > :18:50.States is going to be towed this, we are going to pursue it in the
:18:50. > :18:50.
:18:50. > :18:57.General Assembly -- if they are not going to allow this. Given the
:18:57. > :19:00.situation at the moment, given the general state of operations with
:19:00. > :19:10.the Palestinian Authority, are you in any position at all to declare
:19:10. > :19:13.
:19:13. > :19:18.yourself the state? First of all, Hamas and feta are in the process
:19:18. > :19:24.off peace talks. It has nothing to do with negotiations, this is our
:19:24. > :19:32.right. It has to be about negotiations, doesn't it? We all
:19:32. > :19:40.know you cannot get a solution and left -- unless everyone is in on it.
:19:40. > :19:45.But we have to protect it from action by Israel. As soon as we get
:19:45. > :19:54.recognition as a member of the United Nations, the whole ball game
:19:54. > :20:04.will be different. In a political discussion, you have to end the
:20:04. > :20:08.
:20:08. > :20:16.permanent status. Thank you for joining us. Do you see a genuine
:20:16. > :20:22.purpose to pursuing this in the UN? I see there is no other alternative,
:20:22. > :20:28.because the entire peace process is stalled. It doesn't even exist.
:20:28. > :20:38.it is better than nothing? I don't think they have a choice because
:20:38. > :20:42.
:20:42. > :20:48.they have not been any kind of progress, nothing on the part of
:20:48. > :20:55.the United Nations or the United States government. -- there has not
:20:55. > :21:00.been any kind of progress. Americans don't want it, let's not
:21:00. > :21:07.be too surprised, the Israelis don't want it either. If the
:21:07. > :21:14.Americans don't want it, it is not going to help. I think that the PA
:21:14. > :21:23.should be dissolved any way. If they don't want a peace process,
:21:23. > :21:29.nor do they want this thing, then throw them back the keys. If this
:21:29. > :21:36.does not work, you have shot your bald. We have tried this, you have
:21:36. > :21:41.further alienated the United States in Israel. First of all, this
:21:41. > :21:44.process of going to the United Nations is not to do with the
:21:44. > :21:53.United States. We still believe that United States should be the
:21:53. > :22:03.broker for peace. You can't have someone who should be the broker
:22:03. > :22:08.that you're not going to play it their way. The process has been
:22:08. > :22:11.stalling for a long time. We have done our share. We haven't seen the
:22:12. > :22:21.Israeli side doing anything and we haven't seen any pressure from the
:22:22. > :22:23.
:22:23. > :22:31.United States against Israel. do seem to exude a sense of
:22:31. > :22:38.frustration? 20 years ago, before the Oslo process, when I was a
:22:38. > :22:42.spokesman, they had a Palestinian negotiator. All the meetings, we
:22:42. > :22:48.were saying, stop the settlements. 20 years later, we're saying the
:22:48. > :22:58.same thing. Nothing has gone forward. What do expect the
:22:58. > :22:59.
:22:59. > :23:04.Palestinians to do? We have to end it on that question. Thank you are
:23:04. > :23:08.very much for joining a. Some of the finest new works
:23:08. > :23:12.influenced by the Islamic tradition and design are on show at the
:23:12. > :23:15.Victoria and Albert Museum in London. They're all nominated for
:23:15. > :23:21.the �25,000 Jameel Prize. The winner will be announced in
:23:21. > :23:31.September and contenders come from countries as diverse as Iran, the
:23:31. > :23:41.
:23:41. > :23:45.USA, Iraq and Pakistan. We had a There is a real relevance with all
:23:45. > :23:49.of these traditions. A lot of artists are gradually being lost in
:23:49. > :23:56.society, so by including this in their work they give it a new
:23:56. > :24:03.meaning and celebrate its importance. We have an Arabian
:24:03. > :24:13.artist best in the States and we have shortlisted to have her works.
:24:13. > :24:14.
:24:14. > :24:24.-- based in the States. And another woman inserts her own fare -- a
:24:24. > :24:24.
:24:24. > :24:28.photographic images of life in Iran. And we have the theme of fashion
:24:28. > :24:34.Week, a fashion spectacle where she has used images of a woman walking
:24:34. > :24:39.down the street. We have another Iranian artist, again one of the
:24:39. > :24:42.youngest artists in her late twenties, based in the States. Her
:24:42. > :24:52.practice over the last 10 years has involved hand writing and printing
:24:52. > :25:10.
:25:10. > :25:18.the word -- love. We have another artist based in Canada, Iranian,
:25:18. > :25:21.who has produced a new work for the prize. He has used the patterns of
:25:21. > :25:31.the met -- nomadic carpet as a blueprint but architectural models
:25:31. > :25:40.
:25:40. > :25:45.that sit on top of this. -- With all of the 10 artists and
:25:45. > :25:50.designers, they show a real knowledge of Kraft and design and
:25:50. > :25:53.the material itself. Some of these materials like brickwork have
:25:53. > :25:57.traditionally been used as decoration, but now they have
:25:57. > :26:01.become the subject for the work and not just as important as the
:26:01. > :26:05.concept. What is great about the prize is that it really broadens
:26:05. > :26:09.people's minds about what they think Islamic work entails. More
:26:09. > :26:13.than anything, it shows that these traditions are very much alive,
:26:13. > :26:17.very much relevant now. By integrating that in their work,
:26:17. > :26:27.they give it new meaning and show that in -- interaction is really
:26:27. > :26:35.
:26:35. > :26:37.Some powerful designs bear. I just want to remind you of our main news.
:26:37. > :26:40.The lawyer for the man who's admitted carrying out the mass
:26:40. > :26:45.killings in Norway on Friday has said everything about the case
:26:45. > :26:48.suggests his client is insane. Meanwhile, police have defended
:26:48. > :26:52.their handling of the event in which 76 people died in the bombing
:26:52. > :27:02.in Oslo and a shooting spree on a nearby island. We have got the
:27:02. > :27:11.
:27:11. > :27:16.There has been some unusual snow across parts of South Africa, but
:27:16. > :27:21.things quieten him down throughout the day on Wednesday. Quite cloudy
:27:21. > :27:26.skies at times in Cape Town. More hot sunshine as we would expect at
:27:26. > :27:32.this time of year across much of North Africa. Some sunshine to the
:27:32. > :27:37.east and West of the Mediterranean, but in the -- in between some brain.
:27:37. > :27:43.Things cold and cloudy on Wednesday. But things tanning warm at the end
:27:43. > :27:53.of the week. It is a drier forecast for the next couple of days. Across
:27:53. > :27:53.