:00:09. > :00:17.This is BBC World News Today with me, Zeinab Badawi.
:00:17. > :00:22.Tributes to the Greek pensioner who killed himself outside parliament.
:00:22. > :00:31.The 77 year-old said he could not survive on his pension. His death
:00:31. > :00:34.has prompted riots in Athens will stop --. He is a hero. If it is how
:00:34. > :00:36.it is appears to be, then he is a hero.
:00:36. > :00:38.The economy moves centre stage in the French presidential elections -
:00:38. > :00:40.and not before time, say some. As intense fighting continues
:00:40. > :00:44.around Damascus, the UN Security Council backs the deadline of next
:00:45. > :00:48.Tuesday for Syrian forces to end their offensive.
:00:49. > :00:54.Also coming up in the programme: A landmark birthday for one of the
:00:54. > :00:59.greatest footballers, Tom Finney turns 90 today. How does the part-
:00:59. > :01:03.time plumber compare to the superstar players of today?
:01:03. > :01:07.He invented the Marshall amp - and rock music got a whole lot louder.
:01:07. > :01:17.We remember Jim Marshall who died today. But he also reckoned his
:01:17. > :01:18.
:01:18. > :01:28.amps never damaged anyone's hearing. The amount of guitarists I ate meat
:01:28. > :01:29.
:01:30. > :01:33.worldwide, they never said to me, pardon, what did you say?
:01:33. > :01:34.Hello and welcome. The deep desperation being felt by Greeks
:01:35. > :01:41.struggling with the country's economic crisis has now been
:01:41. > :01:43.defined by the actions of one pensioner. 77-year-old Dimitris
:01:43. > :01:50.Christoulas shot himself dead in a square opposite the Greek
:01:50. > :01:52.parliament in Athens. In a note he left behind, he accused the
:01:52. > :01:57.government of reducing his pension to nothing, leaving him unable to
:01:57. > :02:03.meet his debts. His death has sent demonstrators back onto the streets,
:02:03. > :02:10.leading to some clashes with security forces. For more on this,
:02:10. > :02:14.joining me from Athens is the BBC's Mark Lowen. Considerable anger and
:02:14. > :02:19.shock at the actions of this one pensioner?
:02:19. > :02:26.A lot of anger here in Athens. There is a tense atmosphere at this
:02:26. > :02:31.evening, riot police are already deployed braced for possible second
:02:31. > :02:37.evening of protest. Greece once had the lowest suicide rate in the
:02:37. > :02:41.European Union but that has brought to have doubled since the financial
:02:41. > :02:46.crisis. Still they keep coming, crowds arriving to pay their
:02:46. > :02:50.respects, leaving flowers and candles at the spot where a
:02:50. > :02:56.pensioner shot himself in broad daylight. 77 year-old Dimitris
:02:56. > :03:03.Christoulas, apparently despairing for his financial future. He left a
:03:03. > :03:08.note, I see no other solution, he said, than his dignified end so as
:03:08. > :03:12.not to resort to vision through rubbish bins. This is a tragic
:03:12. > :03:17.moment for Greek society, the only thing needed now is contemplation
:03:18. > :03:25.and silence. We are all heading there, today I
:03:25. > :03:32.got paid might Easter bonus and instead of 400 Europe, I got 180. I
:03:32. > :03:36.cannot manage to live on this. Dimitris Christoulas was a retired
:03:36. > :03:40.pharmacist. Colleagues said he could no longer afford his
:03:40. > :03:45.medication duty cuts to his pension. The farmers see where he used to
:03:45. > :03:49.work stands locked up. He should have enjoyed a comfortable
:03:49. > :03:52.retirement but these are the middle classes hit by punishing austerity.
:03:52. > :03:58.And Labour voiced admiration for his actions.
:03:58. > :04:06.He is a hero, it it is how it appears to be then he is the euro.
:04:06. > :04:10.It is not easy to do something like this. Who can do it?
:04:10. > :04:14.The outpouring of emotion here is in part because this case seems to
:04:14. > :04:19.represent a collective suffering of the Greek nation, a people whose
:04:19. > :04:23.social fabric is tearing apart. Suicides, homelessness all on the
:04:23. > :04:29.rise. And Dimitris Christoulas could yet become a rallying point
:04:29. > :04:33.for the anger of this country. That anger boiled over on to the streets
:04:33. > :04:41.last night. Protesters who had gathered for a vigil Major clashed
:04:41. > :04:46.with riot police. They heard petrol bombs and officers responded with
:04:46. > :04:50.it's done grenades and tear gas. The peer is that there could be
:04:50. > :04:54.further eruptions ahead. -- the fear.
:04:54. > :04:58.There were some minor scuffles in here next to where Dimitris
:04:58. > :05:01.Christoulas took his life earlier in the evening. But for the time
:05:01. > :05:06.being it seems relatively quiet. But passions are running high in
:05:06. > :05:09.Greece, elections are just around the corner, at times when the Greek
:05:09. > :05:14.people will vent their emotions. And the dominant emotion here at
:05:14. > :05:23.the moment his anger. Joining us now from Athens is
:05:23. > :05:28.psyhcologist Aris Violatzis, who works for a suicide hotline. The
:05:28. > :05:38.death of this one pensioner is going to have quite an impact on
:05:38. > :05:39.
:05:39. > :05:44.the Greek Psyche, isn't it? Good evening from Athens. It is
:05:44. > :05:49.definitely going to have an impact but let us not lose the big picture.
:05:49. > :05:54.This is something that I'm afraid is going to happen. Things like
:05:54. > :06:04.that has been going on in Greece day-in, day-out. There are many
:06:04. > :06:12.people who have died by suicide. Gallas Moore, the suicide rate we
:06:12. > :06:16.understand has gone up something like 40%. A using a kind of pattern
:06:16. > :06:23.among the people who are taking their lines?
:06:23. > :06:32.There are many more men who died by suicide, six times more of them
:06:32. > :06:38.then of women. Women try to die by suicide three or four more times
:06:38. > :06:44.higher. Is it because the male is traditionally the breadwinner in
:06:44. > :06:54.the family and feels unable to look after his family? That is one part
:06:54. > :06:55.
:06:55. > :07:02.of it. And the other part of it is that Greek men are more accustomed
:07:02. > :07:08.to violence, bodily pain and things like that. They have demystified
:07:08. > :07:13.the idea of using a gun or taking their lives because of Greek men
:07:13. > :07:19.joining the Army. What kind of hell do you offer people on your suicide
:07:19. > :07:22.hotline, what kind of problems do they come to you with? Are they
:07:22. > :07:28.almost now exclusively linked to the economic crisis one way or
:07:28. > :07:38.another? The economic crisis is greatly associated with the
:07:38. > :07:44.
:07:44. > :07:52.phenomenon. But there is not just one calls. -- One calls. The Greek
:07:52. > :07:58.social environment might now is not functioning. So the phenomenon has
:07:58. > :08:08.been on the rise. That is why many people have been calling us trying
:08:08. > :08:11.to ask for help, trying to break the isolation that they live in.
:08:11. > :08:17.Because all those economic difficulties make people feel
:08:17. > :08:24.burdened. That they are burden to others and others would be better
:08:24. > :08:34.off without them. And the feeling of social belonging is also
:08:34. > :08:35.
:08:35. > :08:37.faltering because of the economic difficulties they face.
:08:37. > :08:39.Another Eurozone country struggling to manage its economy is France. In
:08:39. > :08:42.recent weeks, President Sarkozy has largely focussed his attention on
:08:42. > :08:47.the threat of terrorism, an issue which helped him claw back ground
:08:47. > :08:49.in opinion polls. Now, just under three weeks before the first round
:08:49. > :08:56.of the Presidential election, Mr Sarkozy is reassuring voters that
:08:56. > :08:58.the economy is on his agenda. In a campaign speech, he promised to
:08:58. > :09:02.balance the budget and freeze French contributions to the
:09:02. > :09:12.European Union. And he said he didn't want France to suffer the
:09:12. > :09:13.
:09:13. > :09:19.same fate as what he called its European friends.
:09:19. > :09:21.TRANSLATION: There is not a single French person who wishes that our
:09:22. > :09:29.country should go through the same situation as that of Greece, or
:09:29. > :09:31.that Spain is going through today. We should be aware of one thing.
:09:32. > :09:34.Any let up on our commitments, any distancing ourselves from our
:09:34. > :09:41.commitments, if there is any crisis of trust, we will find ourselves in
:09:41. > :09:45.the same situation as that of Spain. I've been talking to Sophie Pedder,
:09:45. > :09:51.Bureau Chief at The Economist in Paris. She outlined for us what she
:09:51. > :09:57.believes are the real challenges facing the next French President.
:09:57. > :10:01.The paradox about France is that it faces and is going to face some of
:10:01. > :10:06.the most difficult questions about the future of its welfare state,
:10:06. > :10:11.what it can really afford especially at a time of crisis in
:10:11. > :10:16.the euro-zone. How it will finance pensions, child care. But these
:10:16. > :10:21.issues are completely absent from the campaign. It will involve
:10:21. > :10:26.difficult decisions for this next president, whoever is elected. It
:10:26. > :10:30.will be difficult and unpopular decisions in some cases. And the
:10:30. > :10:35.difficulty is that because they're not on the table during the
:10:35. > :10:38.campaign, the risk is there will be a lot of disappointment and
:10:38. > :10:43.incomprehension on the part of the French. They feel that these
:10:43. > :10:48.questions have not been discussed and therefore where are all these
:10:48. > :10:54.hard decisions coming from? Today they set out their stalls. Francois
:10:54. > :11:00.Hollande said that this is what he would do after being elected. And
:11:00. > :11:05.President Sarkozy has also spoken of his economic plans. Is this
:11:05. > :11:10.campaign and to be fought on the economy? I do not figure it is, to
:11:10. > :11:16.be honest. The Quested of the economy is now coming back onto the
:11:16. > :11:20.agenda. And there is a responsible level of debate about reducing the
:11:20. > :11:29.deficit on both sides. The difficulty is how they do it and
:11:29. > :11:39.both sides, in particular Francois Hollande, is focused on reducing
:11:39. > :11:40.
:11:40. > :11:44.taxes. But their cautious on public spending, cautious about having to
:11:44. > :11:48.get across a painful message which is to say that there will be
:11:48. > :11:52.spending cuts. So I do not think that that will be part of this
:11:52. > :11:57.campaign at all. I think where it will be fought will be more a
:11:57. > :12:02.question of will is the stronger leader, the more convincing present
:12:02. > :12:06.to take France drew the next five years. Lizard that the French
:12:06. > :12:10.really want to Trust as their next president. That could touch on
:12:10. > :12:20.economic issues but also comes down to other things such as security
:12:20. > :12:25.
:12:25. > :12:28.and social policy for stock --. United Nations-Arab League envoy to
:12:28. > :12:30.Syria, Kofi Annan, says he expects all fighting there to have stopped
:12:30. > :12:31.within a week. He reported "alarming levels" of casualties
:12:31. > :12:39.from the government's ongoing assault on rebels, despite regime
:12:39. > :12:41.claims of partial withdrawals from three cities. But reports from
:12:41. > :12:51.inside the country suggest clashes are continuing and more refugees
:12:51. > :12:51.
:12:51. > :12:55.have been fleeing into Turkey. Jim Muir reports from Beirut.
:12:55. > :12:59.Just 30 minutes' drive from Damascus city centre, shelling and
:12:59. > :13:03.shooting in the suburb of Douma. Just four days from the deadline
:13:03. > :13:08.for it to call off its crackdown, the regime seems to be pulling out
:13:08. > :13:13.all the stops to finish all resistants were ever it finds it.
:13:13. > :13:19.Activists say there is a real state of war here. Even closer to the
:13:19. > :13:23.city centre, a video shows large numbers of government troops. No
:13:23. > :13:33.sign here of the withdrawal that the Syrians say they have already
:13:33. > :13:35.
:13:35. > :13:37.begun. And defines to the regime continues. Protesters laid siege to
:13:37. > :13:43.a local government building near Damascus and tried to raise the
:13:43. > :13:50.rebel flag. Far away to the bourse, government forces were also in
:13:50. > :13:54.action attacking several towns including this one. Debtor to the
:13:54. > :14:04.Lord. But the third biggest city in central Syria continues to take the
:14:04. > :14:04.
:14:04. > :14:12.brunt of the battling. Clashes continue. Rebel fighters displayed
:14:12. > :14:16.tenacity. Some of them took over and National Hospital. Under the
:14:16. > :14:21.peace plan, rebel fighters are also supposed to stop their attacks
:14:21. > :14:24.within two days of the government seizing all by events next Tuesday.
:14:24. > :14:29.So everything depends on the government itself complying with
:14:29. > :14:35.that Tuesday deadline. Kofi Annan was clearly concerned at the
:14:35. > :14:40.continuing bloodshed. All points of the planet are
:14:40. > :14:46.crucial. But one his most urgent - the need for the cessation of
:14:46. > :14:52.violence. Clearly the violence is still continuing. Alarming levels
:14:52. > :14:58.of casualties and other abuses continued to be reported daily.
:14:58. > :15:02.Military operations and civilian operations. Rasho plays a key role
:15:02. > :15:06.in securing Sirin compliance and is critical of Western and Arab
:15:06. > :15:11.support for the opposition, especially those calling for it to
:15:11. > :15:15.be unarmed. TRANSLATION: even if the opposition
:15:15. > :15:20.is armed to the teeth there will not defeat the Syrian army and
:15:20. > :15:23.there will simply be slaughter and mutual destruction for many years.
:15:23. > :15:28.Despite the supposedly imminent peace agreement, frightened
:15:28. > :15:38.civilians are still fleeing across the border such as these families
:15:38. > :15:42.
:15:42. > :15:49.Thousands of others have fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. If the
:15:49. > :15:51.plan fails, there may be many more to follow. Here with me in the
:15:51. > :15:54.studio, is the former Foreign Office Minister, Lord Mark Malloch-
:15:54. > :16:03.Brown, who also served as deputy to Kofi Annan when he was Secretary-
:16:03. > :16:09.General of the United Nations. How far do you think the Syrian
:16:09. > :16:15.authorities understand they would have to have the regime --
:16:15. > :16:20.ceasefire? They came up with the date of 10th April which is
:16:20. > :16:25.different. It is not an outside imposed date with no exceptions.
:16:25. > :16:29.This was as a result of a negotiation with Kofi Annan, it
:16:29. > :16:34.usually takes a day or so for the shooting to complete the stop
:16:34. > :16:39.because each side test each other and there are incidents. I think
:16:39. > :16:46.they would be surprised at this final drop deadline for fighting to
:16:46. > :16:51.stop. I suspect they anticipated something like that. Do you think
:16:51. > :16:58.they have been racing fast at the moment to try to mop up as much
:16:58. > :17:02.opposition strongholds as they can? Without a doubt. If you go to
:17:02. > :17:06.before they accepted it, it was alarming, though using negotiations
:17:06. > :17:11.as a cover to extend the period where they could clean up pockets
:17:11. > :17:16.of armed opposition. There is a deadline now which makes the days
:17:16. > :17:21.before it uncomfortable but as long as they implement it and meet the
:17:21. > :17:25.commitments it does offer a date for this phase of the conflict.
:17:25. > :17:29.Security Council said it would consider further steps if they do
:17:29. > :17:37.not abide by what I have said they will. But it's not clear what can
:17:37. > :17:42.be done, what is the or else? first good news is it is a UN
:17:42. > :17:47.security council tentatively United with Russia and China still on the
:17:47. > :17:51.outside. A unanimous presidential statement backing Kofi and an's
:17:51. > :17:57.deadline. An early and important result for the diplomacy has been
:17:57. > :18:02.to get Russia and China back onside. For the Syrians who look to the
:18:02. > :18:06.Russians as their principal ally, this is a changed again. It is less
:18:06. > :18:09.likely they will buck the revolution -- resolution, not
:18:09. > :18:16.certain because they have broken their word lots of times in the
:18:16. > :18:19.past. And knowing Kofi Annan, there was a great deal of resting on his
:18:19. > :18:25.shoulders and there was scepticism the Syrian authorities might be
:18:25. > :18:30.buying time by saying yes and the Turks are saying it is the only
:18:30. > :18:36.show in town but they are sceptical. Will he be able to see it through?
:18:36. > :18:39.Scepticism is the right thing to look at this win. He himself would
:18:39. > :18:44.describe himself as sceptical. The Syrians have a terrible track
:18:44. > :18:48.record of keeping their word. The opposition is fragmented and it's
:18:48. > :18:54.hard to know who can guarantee the opposition is going to stop
:18:54. > :19:00.fighting. It's a very tricky situation. But the major criticism
:19:00. > :19:04.being made of his plan which is it does not call for regime change and
:19:04. > :19:09.President Assad to sit down is unrealistic. You never start
:19:09. > :19:13.negotiation asking for them to step down. That is a political death
:19:13. > :19:18.warrant. It was why it was impossible to negotiate with
:19:18. > :19:23.Colonel Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. If you get everyone around the
:19:23. > :19:26.table and begin negotiation that is a reasonable and after the
:19:26. > :19:31.civilians who have died, an inevitable end result but Passat
:19:31. > :19:36.will go. It is not the right place to start if you want negotiations
:19:36. > :19:39.to get going -- President Assad. Thank you. Now a look at some of
:19:39. > :19:42.the days other news: The Algerian news agency is reporting that seven
:19:42. > :19:46.of the country's diplomats have been abducted in northern Mali. The
:19:46. > :19:48.region has fallen to Tuareg led rebel groups. Algeria's Consul and
:19:48. > :19:53.five officials were reportedly forced to leave the diplomatic
:19:53. > :19:56.mission in the town of Gao by an unidentified group. The town has
:19:56. > :20:00.fallen to Tuareg led rebel groups who are fighting for the autonomy
:20:00. > :20:03.of the area. The Libyan government has insisted
:20:03. > :20:06.that Saif al Islam Gaddafi, the son of the country's ousted ruler will
:20:06. > :20:11.be tried in Libya and not handed over to the International Criminal
:20:11. > :20:15.Court. This follows an ICC ruling a day ago that Libya must make
:20:15. > :20:17.arrangements to hand him over. Saif al Islam is wanted in connection
:20:17. > :20:27.with the violent suppression of protests during last year's Libyan
:20:27. > :20:31.uprising. In France, too small fires the
:20:31. > :20:36.breakout of the country's nuclear reactor have been put out. Smoke
:20:36. > :20:39.inside the reactor triggered an automatic shutdown of installation.
:20:39. > :20:49.The country's utilities services say the fires are caused by hot oil
:20:49. > :20:58.
:20:58. > :21:02.leaking from a pump on the primary cooling circuit of the reactor.
:21:03. > :21:06.Ears ringing? Well, the man to blame might be Jim Marshall. The
:21:06. > :21:09.famous - even iconic - Marshall Amps - were his creation. Today the
:21:09. > :21:12.man who become known as the "Father of Loud" has died aged 88. Jim
:21:12. > :21:15.Marshall originally owned a music shop in London before he expanded
:21:16. > :21:18.his business. His amps went on to be used by most of the biggest
:21:18. > :21:24.names in rock including Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain. Andrew
:21:24. > :21:30.Plant reports. His equipment would be used by the world's most famous
:21:30. > :21:36.musicians. Helping create some of the industry's most iconic music
:21:36. > :21:41.and burning Jim Marshall the nickname the father of loud. How do
:21:41. > :21:49.you feel when you hear people say electronically amplified sounds
:21:49. > :21:54.damage people's hearing? It is over exaggerated. Because the amount of
:21:54. > :21:59.guitarists I meet worldwide, and I meet them all, they never say,
:21:59. > :22:04.pardon, what did you say? His first amplifier was built in a
:22:04. > :22:12.small London shop in the 60s, before long it became required kit
:22:12. > :22:18.for a new style of sound. Making his name around the world. Born in
:22:18. > :22:23.West London in 1923, he began drumming during World War II but it
:22:23. > :22:30.was the Qatada made his name. The gunfire was popular with Jimi
:22:30. > :22:35.Hendrix and his iconic and a fire finding fame in This Is Spinal Tap.
:22:35. > :22:45.This is what we used on stage but it's very special. If you can see,
:22:45. > :22:45.
:22:45. > :22:52.the numbers all go to 11. Right across the board. 11, 11, 11.
:22:52. > :22:58.that mean it is louder? Well, it is one ladder. Jim Marshall donated
:22:58. > :23:01.several million to charities and received the OBE in 2003. The
:23:01. > :23:05.success of his amplifiers lives on, tributes have been building up on
:23:05. > :23:15.the internet site twitter in their thousands spanning several
:23:15. > :23:16.
:23:17. > :23:26.Now, one of the Grail legends of English football celebrates his
:23:26. > :23:29.90th birthday today. The forward, who devastated defences for Preston
:23:29. > :23:36.North End his entire career, also played for England 76 times,
:23:37. > :23:41.competing in three World Cups. But paid just �20 a week, he had to fit
:23:41. > :23:44.the games around his job as a plumber. With his beautiful
:23:44. > :23:46.dribbling skills and easy charm, at least one former team-mate insists
:23:46. > :23:52.the only player worthy of comparison is current Barcelona
:23:52. > :23:56.player Lionel Messi. So how do the legends of yesteryear compare to
:23:56. > :23:59.the highly paid megastars of today's global game? With me here
:23:59. > :24:09.in the studio is the sports watcher and commentator for the London
:24:09. > :24:11.
:24:11. > :24:17.It is more like the $30, I was trying to figure it out. My
:24:17. > :24:21.prismatic -- but arithmetic needs help. It was quite good money. It
:24:21. > :24:28.doesn't compare to the millions of David Beckham. But, it was good
:24:28. > :24:33.money in those days. Were their spin-offs where top footballers get
:24:33. > :24:39.big advertising contracts, there wasn't that side to it? Tom Finney
:24:39. > :24:42.did not benefit from that, no. And you showed a clip of him dribbling
:24:42. > :24:49.but it is a rare club because he played when not much of it was
:24:49. > :24:53.recorded. TV have not come about. YouTube was not known. A player
:24:53. > :25:03.like Lionel Messi who he has been compared with, you see him almost
:25:03. > :25:09.every day. Like Lionel Messi is a good player. Tom Finney was never
:25:09. > :25:15.booked. He was a player he was well behaved. And his contemporaries say
:25:15. > :25:19.he was the best player. He never won a medal, he got a loses FA Cup
:25:19. > :25:27.medal and was part of the England team that made the debut and lost
:25:27. > :25:31.to America, a fairly infamous match. Everybody you talk to of the era
:25:32. > :25:36.remembers him and says he was the best player. He had the technical
:25:36. > :25:42.ability, normally players are one footed, strong or the left or right,
:25:42. > :25:47.he started for England on the right wing and went to the left wing. He
:25:47. > :25:54.endlessly supplied goals including scoring goals with his head. He
:25:54. > :25:59.played a game where you illustrated the fact he was a plumber by trade.
:25:59. > :26:06.You wonder how he fitted the time to fit it in! When you look at the
:26:06. > :26:12.football greats, George Best in the UK, how does he sit? Most people
:26:12. > :26:18.say he is part of that quartet, Maradona, George Best and some
:26:18. > :26:23.people rate him a player who has earned greater honours, Stanley
:26:23. > :26:28.Matthews, higher than Stanley Matthews. People have a generation
:26:28. > :26:31.talk about him and now they say it Lionel Messi is the nearest to Tom
:26:32. > :26:40.Finney. We will be able to judge and that is the pity, you cannot
:26:40. > :26:45.really Gedge... It is difficult to compare different eras. The top
:26:45. > :26:50.story: vigils are being held in Athens after a 77-year-old shot
:26:50. > :27:00.himself dead outside the Greek parliament. And that is all from
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:27:00. > :27:04.the programme. Next, the weather. The weather will take an
:27:04. > :27:12.increasingly cloudy issue, not just tomorrow but also much of the
:27:12. > :27:15.Easter period. Increasing cloud and occasional rain. High pressure in
:27:15. > :27:23.the mid-Atlantic with a north-west air flow and the weather front
:27:23. > :27:25.pushing down in the float to bring thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain.
:27:25. > :27:35.Patchy rain sinking star puts across Scotland and Northern
:27:35. > :27:36.
:27:36. > :27:40.Ireland, a few spots for the coast. Isolated spots for Norfolk but
:27:40. > :27:46.otherwise drive. A cold start in the south with a widespread frost
:27:46. > :27:51.in rural areas. It stays sunny for most of the day with patchy cloud.
:27:51. > :27:57.Sunny spells in southern Wales, and the Midlands, clouding over from
:27:57. > :28:03.the north and west with isolated spots in the afternoon. For
:28:03. > :28:08.Northern Ireland, a similar picture, overcast for much of the day, the
:28:08. > :28:15.cloud of thick enough to give light isolated showers. More general rain