:00:00. > :00:09.This is BBC World News Today with me, Philippa Thomas. Petrol bombs,
:00:10. > :00:17.rubber bullets and now deaths in the streets of Ukraine's capital Kiev.
:00:18. > :00:21.Two people have died from bullet wounds in the escalating violence,
:00:22. > :00:23.the first fatality is it since the political crisis started in
:00:24. > :00:26.November. Together at last - Syria's
:00:27. > :00:31.government and opposition join the international peace conference in
:00:32. > :00:34.Switzerland. But Syria insists President Assad must stay despite
:00:35. > :00:38.this warning from Washington. You cannot restore Syria, you cannot
:00:39. > :00:51.save the Syrian people, so long as Bashar Al Assad is in power. The
:00:52. > :01:00.kind of provocative statements, repetitive statements, old
:01:01. > :01:08.language, based on hatred towards the Syrian government. Why are we
:01:09. > :01:12.being moved on? Also coming up: The perils of reporting China. Our
:01:13. > :01:15.correspondent is moved on while covering the trial of a prominent
:01:16. > :01:18.human rights lawyer. And how to get information to the
:01:19. > :01:22.world's most isolated nation. We'll talk to the human rights group using
:01:23. > :01:35.weather balloons to reach the people of North Korea.
:01:36. > :01:39.Hello and welcome. At least two protestors have died from bullet
:01:40. > :01:42.wounds in the Ukrainian capital Kiev, the first fatalities since
:01:43. > :01:45.Ukraine was gripped by political crisis in November, on the day that
:01:46. > :01:51.a new law restricting demonstrations came into force. Anti-government
:01:52. > :01:55.protestors have been throwing petrol bombs and stones. The police have
:01:56. > :01:59.responded with rubber bullets, stun grenades and tear gas. This report
:02:00. > :02:10.from our correspondent, Daniel Sandford, in Kiev.
:02:11. > :02:16.As night fell, violent demonstrators were stoking the fires on the
:02:17. > :02:19.barricades in Kiev. This was the day when new anti-protest laws were
:02:20. > :02:24.introduced in Ukraine, but they were not designed to deal with this kind
:02:25. > :02:30.of chaos. This evening, this central kiosk where is like a vision of
:02:31. > :02:33.hell, with black tyres burning and to testers throwing stones and
:02:34. > :02:40.firing fireworks, straight into the lines of riot police. The violence
:02:41. > :02:45.started at breakfast time, police had tried to clear the barricades,
:02:46. > :02:50.this was the protesters' response. The riot officers they were
:02:51. > :02:55.attacking had been deployed it to defend the Ukrainian parliament
:02:56. > :02:57.which passed the hated new laws. The Prime Minister made this statement,
:02:58. > :03:03.which only stoked their anger. TRANSLATION: The cynicism of the
:03:04. > :03:08.terrorists has reached the stage where they are throwing Molotov
:03:09. > :03:13.cocktails at people. It all began in December as
:03:14. > :03:16.demonstrators in favour of joining the European union. --
:03:17. > :03:20.demonstrations. Has ended with officers firing plastic bullets on
:03:21. > :03:24.the crowd and today they please confirmed for the first time that
:03:25. > :03:30.some protesters had died. In hospital, I found this man, a
:03:31. > :03:38.retired military man from crime who lost his eye in the fighting on
:03:39. > :03:41.Monday. It was his birthday full. -- it was his birthday. I was near the
:03:42. > :03:45.barricade when the riot police hit my head. I took the bullet out
:03:46. > :03:50.myself with my hand and then I was taken away by ambulance which
:03:51. > :03:54.brought me to hospital. I had surgery straightaway and my eye was
:03:55. > :03:56.removed. Below Parliament, police made several attempts to clear the
:03:57. > :04:06.crowd. This resulted in further injuries. The violence is still
:04:07. > :04:09.really can find it to one street. -- of violence is confined. There are
:04:10. > :04:15.laurels in the fighting when peaceful protesters went up to the
:04:16. > :04:25.front line to sing the national anthem before chaos started again.
:04:26. > :04:31.The BBC's Duncan Crawford is monitoring events on the ground.
:04:32. > :04:35.What is it like there tonight? We have seen clashes going back and
:04:36. > :04:39.forth over the course of the day, and owned a ten minute walk from
:04:40. > :04:43.where I am at the moment. In the road leading up to parliament which
:04:44. > :04:46.has been the focus of these clashes between riot police and the
:04:47. > :04:51.protesters, we seen the riot police using stun grenades, firing plastic
:04:52. > :04:56.bullets into the crowd. The protesters were throwing rocks. And
:04:57. > :04:59.they were also throwing Molotov cocktails back at them. The
:05:00. > :05:05.opposition leaders have been holding talks today with President
:05:06. > :05:10.Yanukovych. They expect more than -- they have spent more than three
:05:11. > :05:15.hours in talks. Earlier on, they came to the stage behind me, at the
:05:16. > :05:17.Independents were all stop many hundreds of people are still
:05:18. > :05:21.listening to protest leaders speaking. The tally click all, the
:05:22. > :05:28.former world heavyweight boxing champion, now a leading opposition
:05:29. > :05:31.figure, he heads up a party. -- Vitali Klitschko. He told the
:05:32. > :05:39.protesters that if the government does not a concession, tomorrow we
:05:40. > :05:43.go on the attack. Very strong words indeed. Another opposition figure
:05:44. > :05:48.told the crowd that, I am going forward, even if I get a bullet in
:05:49. > :05:53.the head. So a really tense situation here tonight. The rhetoric
:05:54. > :06:00.has it really wrapped up and the possibility for more violence is
:06:01. > :06:04.very real tonight. -- really ramped up. The Ukrainian Prime Minister has
:06:05. > :06:07.told us that a lot of what we are seeing are the extremists and
:06:08. > :06:14.radicals of the far right and most of the country is functioning as
:06:15. > :06:19.normal. Yes, the Prime Minister told the BBC that the country is
:06:20. > :06:24.functioning as normal. He is correct in that. If you go outside of the
:06:25. > :06:27.protest area here in the centre of Kiev, if you are not in those mean
:06:28. > :06:33.streets read the classes are taking place, people are going about their
:06:34. > :06:37.business as normal. -- those streets where the classes that are taking
:06:38. > :06:42.place. This is a serious situation. The opposition want to see the end
:06:43. > :06:45.of these anti-protest laws that were brought into force today. They want
:06:46. > :06:49.to see the Parliament resign and they would like to see snap
:06:50. > :06:52.presidential election is called. So far, President Yanukovych has not
:06:53. > :06:58.showed any sign that he is going to budge even one little bit. Thank you
:06:59. > :07:01.very much. For the first time, the Syrian
:07:02. > :07:05.regime and the official opposition have been brought to the same table
:07:06. > :07:08.- as peace talks begin in Montreux in Switzerland. The UN Secretary
:07:09. > :07:12.General Ban Ki-moon has hailed that fact in itself as an historic step.
:07:13. > :07:15.But the talks - supposedly about forming a transitional government to
:07:16. > :07:17.replace the Assad regime - have opened with angry speeches,
:07:18. > :07:25.including a declaration from the Syrian Foreign Minister that
:07:26. > :07:31.President Assad will not go. Our Middle East correspondent, Paul
:07:32. > :07:37.Wood, is in Montreux. War criminal to some, a saviour to
:07:38. > :07:40.his supporters in Montreux today. The fate of President Assad is the
:07:41. > :07:45.main issue of this conference. These are not yet direct talks between
:07:46. > :07:50.regime and opposition but at least they are in the same room will stop
:07:51. > :07:57.Syria's Foreign Minister had this to say about the regime's opponents.
:07:58. > :07:59.The media lured these people, these terrorists, by claiming they are
:08:00. > :08:07.moderate but they know full well they are extremists. And they are
:08:08. > :08:13.terrorists. The UN Secretary General accused him of using inflammatory
:08:14. > :08:20.language. You are seeing I live in New York, I live in Syria, I have
:08:21. > :08:27.the right to give the Syrian version here in this forum. Of course. I
:08:28. > :08:31.never objected to that. We have to have some constructive and
:08:32. > :08:37.harmonious dialogue. Please refrain from any inflammatory remarks... An
:08:38. > :08:42.team and is usually quite mild-mannered but these are
:08:43. > :08:45.intractable issues. -- Ban Ki-moon is usually quite mild-mannered. The
:08:46. > :08:47.opposition insist that President Assad cannot be part of a
:08:48. > :08:53.transitional government. Other victims in Syria are just too low
:08:54. > :09:00.one man to remain on his throne. No phone has the value of one single
:09:01. > :09:03.innocent life. There is no way, no way possible in the imagination that
:09:04. > :09:10.the man who has led the brutal response to his own people could
:09:11. > :09:16.read in the government. One man and those who have supported him can no
:09:17. > :09:19.longer hold an entire nation and a region hostage. No-one should have
:09:20. > :09:24.worried that the diplomatic niceties would obscure the real issues here.
:09:25. > :09:28.One side thinks these discussion should be all about regime change.
:09:29. > :09:32.The other side believes the talks should be about anything but the
:09:33. > :09:40.transition of power. And at the end of a first day of meetings, the two
:09:41. > :09:48.sides seem as far apart as ever. The latest fighting. Perhaps 130,000
:09:49. > :09:52.people have died in Syria, President Assad has clung onto power. But he
:09:53. > :09:57.cannot win an outright victory. Neither can the rebels. The hope of
:09:58. > :10:06.this conflict lies in both sides recognising that fact. And beginning
:10:07. > :10:11.a dialogue. In the last hour, Syria's ambassador
:10:12. > :10:15.to the UN, Bashar Jafaari, spoke to reporters from Montreux. He objected
:10:16. > :10:18.to Iran being excluded from the talks, and said in order for Syria
:10:19. > :10:21.to engage, there needs to be a difference in the way the Syrian
:10:22. > :10:27.government was addressed. The statements and the speeches of
:10:28. > :10:31.most of those who took the floor today in the meeting and, as you
:10:32. > :10:44.know, the 40 delegations took the floor, did not encourage the
:10:45. > :10:53.national political buyer logs. It was a kind of provocative statement,
:10:54. > :10:59.a repetitive statement, old language, based on hatred towards
:11:00. > :11:13.the Syrian government and based on a kind of blind provocation which is
:11:14. > :11:17.counter-productive, fruitless and unsuccessful. Not positive at all.
:11:18. > :11:25.Let's talk to our chief international correspondent, Lyse
:11:26. > :11:31.Doucet, is in Montreux. The real talks will get under way on Friday.
:11:32. > :11:35.How do you assess the situation now? It is as Ban Ki-moon said in his
:11:36. > :11:38.press conference, he said it is not easy for two sides to sit down after
:11:39. > :11:43.so much death and destruction. When you talk about the pain and the
:11:44. > :11:46.sacrifices that Syrians have made, every Syrian at that table today
:11:47. > :11:50.would have lost somebody in this war. They would have been looking at
:11:51. > :11:53.the other side of the table and blaming them for the hardship of
:11:54. > :12:00.their own family and friends and neighbourhoods, which lie in ruins.
:12:01. > :12:04.The accused each other of having blood on their hands. And being
:12:05. > :12:08.responsible for war crimes. It would have been naive to expect anything
:12:09. > :12:11.else, but John Kerry also called it difficult, the beginning of a
:12:12. > :12:17.difficult and complicated process. The real test comes on Friday, the
:12:18. > :12:22.UN envoy has admitted, that it will not be in agreement -- it is not in
:12:23. > :12:28.agreement that the two sides will sit in the same room and discuss the
:12:29. > :12:35.details. I think we should have no illusions, this is going to take a
:12:36. > :12:38.very, very long time and if there is a lesson from the Northern Ireland
:12:39. > :12:40.peace process, two sides on the sit down to negotiate when they
:12:41. > :12:46.understood there is no military solution. There are powerful
:12:47. > :12:51.commanders who are not at this meeting and they are fighting as we
:12:52. > :12:57.speak. It seems as though the future of President Assad is a red line for
:12:58. > :13:03.both sides. Indeed. That is a good way to put it. Neither of them wants
:13:04. > :13:05.to cross it. Bashar Jaafari, the UN ambassador of Syria, is still
:13:06. > :13:12.talking, still defending President Bashar al-Assad's right to stay in
:13:13. > :13:17.power. But of course, for the opposition, they simply cannot
:13:18. > :13:21.countenance a process which does not state explicitly that President
:13:22. > :13:24.Hassan must go. And even Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary General
:13:25. > :13:28.made it clear that the document which underpins this whole process,
:13:29. > :13:33.called Geneva one, that was signed up to in May of 2000, June of 2012,
:13:34. > :13:40.explicitly state that there must be a transitional governing body, all
:13:41. > :13:44.of whose members are there by mutual consent. And if that is the
:13:45. > :13:47.criteria, there is no way that President Assad would pass that test
:13:48. > :13:51.so it is about transition, so one way or another, that has to be on
:13:52. > :13:57.the table or else there will be no one at the table. Thank you very
:13:58. > :14:01.much. Much has also been said in Switzerland about the urgency of
:14:02. > :14:04.getting humanitarian aid into Syria. Joining me from Westminster
:14:05. > :14:10.is the British Conservative MP who has been urging an agreement over a
:14:11. > :14:15.safe corridors to do just that. Thank you for being with us. We are
:14:16. > :14:18.hearing a lot of political rhetoric, a lot of it is angry. You think
:14:19. > :14:23.there is any potential in these talks to get at least local
:14:24. > :14:27.agreements at that age? Yes, I think the most important thing about this
:14:28. > :14:32.is that a process has finally started. -- about aid. You cannot
:14:33. > :14:36.resolve conflict with people sitting around and talking. Other side have
:14:37. > :14:40.a lot to get off their chest which is why there is all this hyperbole
:14:41. > :14:46.that we are hearing today. At the end of the day, it is about
:14:47. > :14:50.protecting the Syrian people. And we have 9 million displaced people
:14:51. > :14:53.internally and 2.4 million people as refugees in the surrounding
:14:54. > :14:58.countries. I think it is absolutely paramount to try and create some
:14:59. > :15:01.form of safety corridor. If all sides care about the Syrian people,
:15:02. > :15:05.they should at least come up with some sort of solution to give safe
:15:06. > :15:10.passage to the majority of people in Syria by giving them some area where
:15:11. > :15:15.they can be safe in their own country. If we do not do that, the
:15:16. > :15:19.pressure on neighbouring Lebanon, I met with the ambassador today and
:15:20. > :15:25.she said 25% of their country today are Syrian refugees. In Jordan, they
:15:26. > :15:28.are under the same pressures. In Iraq and Turkey as well. If this
:15:29. > :15:31.goes on, for much longer, the social pressures in the neighbouring
:15:32. > :15:39.countries could be potentially explosive. You know quite well the
:15:40. > :15:44.way that President Assad's mind operates, you have met many times
:15:45. > :15:51.leading up to 2011, for him, it seems to be, stick it out until the
:15:52. > :15:55.end, he does not want to go. Yes, he is obviously regime change and
:15:56. > :16:00.protecting the regime has been his red line. But actually, those that
:16:01. > :16:05.surround him, he is disposable at the end of the day, if the cost
:16:06. > :16:10.becomes too high. If there is a risk to their own future, he would be
:16:11. > :16:14.disposable, you will be disposable to the Russians, disposable even to
:16:15. > :16:20.the Iranians. The question is, how much pain and pressure are they
:16:21. > :16:27.willing to withstand to keep him. How much blood has to be let between
:16:28. > :16:31.now and the eventual time in which he will go, because surely he will
:16:32. > :16:38.go. He has no future in Syria at all. A final thought about what can
:16:39. > :16:42.be done now in practical terms? You spoke about getting conditions
:16:43. > :16:50.sorted out on the ground to allow some humanitarian aid in, there are
:16:51. > :16:59.many splinters and factions with the militia, does that but aid workers
:17:00. > :17:01.at risk? There are two factions, there are the forces of Bashar
:17:02. > :17:06.al-Assad and the Free Syrian Army better represented right 150,000
:17:07. > :17:12.people. The fly in the ointment, if you will, is a group representing
:17:13. > :17:18.about 15,000 people in the East End in the north, and that is where the
:17:19. > :17:21.pressure is from. But where the majority control is, between
:17:22. > :17:24.President Assad and the Free Syrian Army, I believe that there is space
:17:25. > :17:32.enough to create safe stones and safe corridors. Thank you. The trial
:17:33. > :17:35.of a prominent Chinese human rights campaigner has begun in Beijing.
:17:36. > :17:37.Shoo Ju-yoong is the founder of a group demanding government
:17:38. > :17:40.transparency and full disclosure of the assets of Chinese leaders. He's
:17:41. > :17:44.accused of gathering people to disturb public order. And in a sign
:17:45. > :17:47.of how sensitive trials of this type can be, our correspondent Martin
:17:48. > :17:58.Patience was jostled away from the court by the security forces.
:17:59. > :18:05.Street after street, block after block, a huge security presence. It
:18:06. > :18:09.felt like a military operation. The police filmed everyone's moves. At
:18:10. > :18:17.this is what justice looks like in China. Why are we being moved on?
:18:18. > :18:23.The courtroom is just down the road, but as you can see, the police here
:18:24. > :18:28.are pushing us our way. What is clear is that China does not want
:18:29. > :18:33.any coverage of this trial. This is the man in the dock, Shoo Ju-yoong,
:18:34. > :18:38.filmed here in prison. He liked the new so-called citizens movement
:18:39. > :18:41.which called for government officials to publicly declare their
:18:42. > :18:46.assets. The group staged anti-corruption protests. Their
:18:47. > :18:51.message was resonating with the public, but there are methods,
:18:52. > :18:56.trying to organise an independent movement, have now landed them in
:18:57. > :19:02.court. His lawyer says that the trial is a sham and he is not being
:19:03. > :19:09.allowed to call witnesses. A handful of supporters gathered outside the
:19:10. > :19:12.court. Transparency is all part of the National anti-corruption
:19:13. > :19:18.campaign, said this woman. Our leaders must declare their wealth.
:19:19. > :19:23.The president decides what is disclosed, he wants to avoid
:19:24. > :19:27.damaging revelations. Today, details emerged of secret offshore accounts
:19:28. > :19:32.held by some of the Chinese elite. Among those named, his own
:19:33. > :19:38.brother-in-law. Unsurprisingly, the reports were blocked here. China's
:19:39. > :19:42.leaders say they are serious about tackling corruption, but as today's
:19:43. > :19:48.trial shows, they will do it on their own terms.
:19:49. > :19:53.Now a look at some of the days other news.
:19:54. > :19:57.Russian police are hunting for a woman they fear may be planning a
:19:58. > :20:00.suicide bomb attack in Sochi during the Winter Olympics. The woman,
:20:01. > :20:03.named as Ruzanna Ibragimova from Dagestan in the North Caucasus is
:20:04. > :20:06.believed to be the widow of an Islamist militant. Wanted posters
:20:07. > :20:09.have been distributed throughout the town.
:20:10. > :20:11.The police in Italy have made ninety arrests in a major anti-Mafia
:20:12. > :20:15.operation. Assets were seized in raids in Rome, Naples and Florence.
:20:16. > :20:19.The operation centred around the Contini clan, part of the Camorra
:20:20. > :20:23.crime network based in Naples. Bars and pizzerias run by the family in
:20:24. > :20:27.the centre of Rome were searched by the police. One was a popular
:20:28. > :20:30.restaurant close to Parliament. The controversial comedian Dieudonne
:20:31. > :20:34.has been taken into custody in France. He's been called a pedlar of
:20:35. > :20:37.hate by the government for sketches regarded as anti-Semitic. Earlier
:20:38. > :20:40.today he allegedly assaulted a bailiff who attempted to collect
:20:41. > :20:46.fines for offences including racial discrimination and hate speech.
:20:47. > :20:49.The passengers rescued from a Russian research ship that became
:20:50. > :20:53.trapped in thick Antarctic pack ice last month are finally back ashore
:20:54. > :20:56.in Australia. More than 50 scientists and tourists had to be
:20:57. > :21:08.airlifted from the Akademik Shokalsky onto another vessel after
:21:09. > :21:12.several failed rescue attempts. As the sun rose over Tasmania, so
:21:13. > :21:17.too did the spirits of those that had been stranded in the Antarctic
:21:18. > :21:19.ice will stop finally, after many weeks at sea, they sailed into
:21:20. > :21:26.Hobart on an Australian supply ship. The Akademik Shokalsky was
:21:27. > :21:31.stuck for ten days and several rescue attempts failed before
:21:32. > :21:35.finally help arrived. This has been a complex and controversial rescue.
:21:36. > :21:38.There are no questions about whether the Russian research ship should
:21:39. > :21:44.have been in such dangerous Antarctic waters in the first place
:21:45. > :21:46.and who will pay for this very expensive international rescue, as
:21:47. > :21:51.the ordeal for the passengers finally comes to an end. The leaders
:21:52. > :21:56.of the expedition have defended their actions insisting they were
:21:57. > :22:02.simply the victims of a freak event. The fundamental problem was the fact
:22:03. > :22:06.that there was a massive upheaval, movement of the ice from another
:22:07. > :22:10.part of Antarctica into that area. We had not seen that in any of the
:22:11. > :22:15.satellite imagery before and it caught us. We were unfortunately in
:22:16. > :22:19.the wrong place at the wrong time. Australian authorities have said the
:22:20. > :22:23.rescue mission has disrupted other valuable projects in the Antarctic
:22:24. > :22:27.because their main supply ship was needed to bring members of the
:22:28. > :22:33.stranded expedition safely back to dry land.
:22:34. > :22:36.How do you get information to the people of the world's most repressed
:22:37. > :22:40.regime North Korea? It has no Internet. No dissident voices.
:22:41. > :22:44.Virtually no alternative sources of information to the authoritarian
:22:45. > :22:47.government of Kim Jong-un. Well one answer is to send in weather
:22:48. > :22:51.balloons carrying rather unusual cargo.
:22:52. > :22:54.Here with me is Thor Halvorssen, the president of the New York-based
:22:55. > :23:02.Human Rights Foundation who was in South Korea a week ago to help
:23:03. > :23:07.launch the balloons. Tell us first what you were sending over the
:23:08. > :23:11.border? Well, the balloons themselves, each of them have a
:23:12. > :23:15.bundle, the bundles weigh about eight kilos and it ranges from
:23:16. > :23:19.leaflets, they are waterproof leaflets is, they have slogans that
:23:20. > :23:23.are in favour of democracy and information that they would not
:23:24. > :23:28.otherwise come across, as well as transistor radios, USB keys
:23:29. > :23:34.containing information, education and in some cases, just dollar
:23:35. > :23:37.bills. Who is with you? You have got human rights activist sending over
:23:38. > :23:42.the weather balloons, do you also have defectors from North Korea? The
:23:43. > :23:48.main people pushing this had been defectors who themselves received a
:23:49. > :23:51.balloon like this, material from a balloon like this, and that is why
:23:52. > :24:00.they decided to defect. You know that it works. Yes, it is mostly
:24:01. > :24:05.anecdotal, but we are in a push to dramatically increase the technical
:24:06. > :24:10.capabilities of this, so that we can both track them using GPS and really
:24:11. > :24:14.help these defector group is with some good technology and linking
:24:15. > :24:19.them with people, peer-to-peer networks, people that can help them
:24:20. > :24:31.with this. Why would the police so keen to stop you? There was a lot of
:24:32. > :24:34.police in June, but lastly, there was no police, the Chief police came
:24:35. > :24:39.to let me know everything would be, but the last time, the North Korean
:24:40. > :24:43.government sent out a press release to say they would bomb the side, and
:24:44. > :24:47.this is the usual rhetoric by that government, but then there was one
:24:48. > :24:49.from the Ministry of Defence of North Korea saying they were dead
:24:50. > :24:53.serious about arming this site, so in many ways, this is an example of
:24:54. > :24:59.the South Korean government spending to the will of the North. You can
:25:00. > :25:03.see why the North Korean government is sending tee threatened by you
:25:04. > :25:11.sending in this information, but are you endangering these people who are
:25:12. > :25:16.likely to be, if they are found with this information or transistor
:25:17. > :25:21.radios, they could be, or worse. Whether it is North Korea, Cuba,
:25:22. > :25:25.dictatorships anywhere, the people living in it, they have many times
:25:26. > :25:31.had so many things done to them. They suffered so much that and act
:25:32. > :25:36.like reading a brochure or watching some entertainment from the South,
:25:37. > :25:41.is a tiny Revolution, but it is something that they do, very
:25:42. > :25:45.knowingly, of what they are doing. Just the very act of finding
:25:46. > :25:50.something, picking it up and is looking, they are conscious. They
:25:51. > :25:54.are meant to hand it over to the police, they're not meant to look,
:25:55. > :25:59.but a lot of the time, they look at it and then they handed her over. It
:26:00. > :26:02.is reaching the population, it is reaching the military. The number of
:26:03. > :26:07.defectors that I have met who were active soldiers when they
:26:08. > :26:13.defected... You are reaching into the establishment? Absolutely,
:26:14. > :26:17.definitely, and many people who have never heard of anything happening
:26:18. > :26:21.elsewhere, they are learning. It is not just propaganda, we send in
:26:22. > :26:26.entertainment, things like TV shows that reveal that there is a world
:26:27. > :26:29.out there and everything on it, and everything they are taught to
:26:30. > :26:34.believe is not true. Thank you very much for coming in to talk to us
:26:35. > :26:35.about this. This is BBC world News, thank you very much for being with
:26:36. > :27:01.us. That is all from me. Good evening, most of us have had
:27:02. > :27:05.some very decent weather in the last couple of hours. Tonight, some heavy
:27:06. > :27:06.rain on the way. If you live