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:00:00. > :00:00.This is BBC World News Today with me Kasia Madera.

:00:07. > :00:10.US President Barack Obama says the Malaysia Airlines plane was

:00:11. > :00:13.shot down from an area controlled by pro-Russia

:00:14. > :00:17.People from at least ten countries were among

:00:18. > :00:22.the 298 who died when the plane came down near the Russian border.

:00:23. > :00:25.President Obama called it a global tragedy and calls for a ceasefire.

:00:26. > :00:34.A team of international investigators have arrived

:00:35. > :00:44.And Asian airliner was destroyed in European skies filled with citizens

:00:45. > :00:45.from many countries, so there has to be a credible international

:00:46. > :00:46.investigation into what happened. A team of international

:00:47. > :00:48.investigators have arrived at the crash site but separatists

:00:49. > :00:56.only give them limited access. I am Clive Myrie at Schipol Airport

:00:57. > :01:01.in the Netherlands where that flight, MH 17, took off yesterday.

:01:02. > :01:07.Two thirds of those who died are Dutch. This is a nation in mourning

:01:08. > :01:11.after one of its worst aircraft disasters.

:01:12. > :01:13.And in other news, 24 Palestinians and one Israeli

:01:14. > :01:22.soldier are killed as Israel's troops move further into Gaza.

:01:23. > :01:39.A global tragedy and an a grade one speakable proportions. That is how

:01:40. > :01:44.the US President Barack Obama described the shooting down of the

:01:45. > :01:50.Boeing 77 over Ukraine. 298 people died when flight MH 17

:01:51. > :01:54.from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur came down in an area controlled by

:01:55. > :01:58.pro-Russian separatists. Ten of the dead are British, and authorities in

:01:59. > :02:01.Kiev say they have evidence of -- Russian missal system was used to

:02:02. > :02:09.carry out the attack. We can go live now to Schipol

:02:10. > :02:14.Airport to speak to Clive Myrie. Hello from Schipol Airport. This is

:02:15. > :02:18.of course a very busy hub, usually, for hundreds, thousands of

:02:19. > :02:21.travellers every day, every week, wanting to get away from Europe. It

:02:22. > :02:27.is a very busy airport in deed and yesterday was no exception. In the

:02:28. > :02:32.morning, this flight, MH 17, was fully loaded and taking off on its

:02:33. > :02:36.way to Kuala Lumpur. Then all of a sudden it disappeared from radar

:02:37. > :02:42.screens. There was no distress signal or maybe, then the full

:02:43. > :02:51.horror of what happened became apparent. We know that many of those

:02:52. > :02:52.who died were Dutch nationals. This is a country in mourning and through

:02:53. > :02:55.the day there has been a steady stream of people leaving floral

:02:56. > :03:02.tributes in memory of those who died. Now, of course, the questions

:03:03. > :03:07.are being asked. Why was this plane flown over a war zone in eastern

:03:08. > :03:11.Ukraine? Why was that the route it took? And how did this plane

:03:12. > :03:18.actually followed of the sky? Was it the result of a missile attack?

:03:19. > :03:21.Let's eat the latest -- let's get the latest from the scene from

:03:22. > :03:23.Daniel Sandford, who has been to the area where the plane came down in

:03:24. > :03:26.eastern Ukraine. Hello and welcome.

:03:27. > :03:28.The stark horror of the field of debris were Flight MH17 crashed

:03:29. > :03:30.to earth. The place where the bitter war

:03:31. > :03:32.in eastern Ukraine suddenly ended the lives of people from

:03:33. > :03:35.around the world was this evening There was a very strong plane

:03:36. > :03:40.rumble, then there was a sort of explosion, and then people

:03:41. > :03:43.started falling from the sky. People were appearing right

:03:44. > :03:45.from the clouds. When we ran out, we saw part

:03:46. > :03:49.of a plane falling over our house. There were more parts of the plane

:03:50. > :03:55.in the yard and papers there, too. We also found this piece of a

:03:56. > :04:01.credit card from an American bank. And in the nearby summer fields

:04:02. > :04:05.of tall sunflowers, off-duty mine rs searching for the bodies

:04:06. > :04:07.of the passengers and crew who fell from the sky - almost 300 of them,

:04:08. > :04:12.their dreams and their futures The hopelessly inexperienced

:04:13. > :04:20.rescuers have found two thirds of the bodies but

:04:21. > :04:26.around 100 are still missing. The bodies, body parts and debris

:04:27. > :04:32.are spread over almost ten miles. It is a tragic

:04:33. > :04:34.and devastating scene, people's clothes and belongings and

:04:35. > :04:37.their life jackets are scattered You can still smell the death

:04:38. > :04:45.and the burning in the air. It is going to be a huge challenge

:04:46. > :04:48.for international investigators to With the rebel checkpoints

:04:49. > :04:57.and the closed airspace, it has taken us around 24 hours to

:04:58. > :05:03.get here from Moscow. There is confusion

:05:04. > :05:06.at the moment about who has the black box flight recorders, so it is

:05:07. > :05:10.hard for an investigation to start. The best theory is still that

:05:11. > :05:13.the plane was shot down by a sophisticated anti-aircraft

:05:14. > :05:16.missile fired by someone targeting a Ukrainian military plane,

:05:17. > :05:21.but it is not clear who. The Kiev government believes it was

:05:22. > :05:25.the rebels, or even the Russians. It claims these are pictures of a

:05:26. > :05:30.Buk launch a system being taken back We ask all respective governments to

:05:31. > :05:40.participate in this investigation, and to support the Ukrainian

:05:41. > :05:46.government to bring to justice to all these bustards who committed

:05:47. > :05:50.this international crime. But in Moscow, the man Kiev accuses

:05:51. > :05:56.of supplying the rebels with their sophisticated weaponry was

:05:57. > :06:00.keen to spread the blame. I express my condolences on

:06:01. > :06:04.behalf of the Russian Federation. I want to underline that this

:06:05. > :06:06.tragedy would not have happened if this land was at peace,

:06:07. > :06:09.or at least combat operations had It is obvious that the state

:06:10. > :06:16.on whose territory this happened But the US president said Vladimir

:06:17. > :06:22.Putin was not doing enough. There has to be

:06:23. > :06:25.a credible international The UN Security Council has endorsed

:06:26. > :06:29.this investigation and we will help all its members,

:06:30. > :06:44.including Russia, to do their work. and we will hold all its members,

:06:45. > :06:47.including Russia to their word. In order to facilitate that

:06:48. > :06:49.investigation, Russia, pro-Russian separatists and Ukraine must

:06:50. > :06:51.adhere to immediate cease-fire. Ukraine and Russia have been

:06:52. > :06:54.at daggers drawn since Russia took Things have only got worse

:06:55. > :06:56.since then and now almost 300 people - none

:06:57. > :07:16.of them Ukrainian or Russian - have 289 people died in all, 80 of them

:07:17. > :07:21.were children. The Australians, the Malaysians, the British, the ten

:07:22. > :07:25.Britons who died, the Dutch, of course. They all have stories to

:07:26. > :07:29.tell and their lives are interesting. Danny Savage now has

:07:30. > :07:32.some of the stories of those who perished on board MH 17.

:07:33. > :07:35.These pictures show passengers settling down on board Flight MH17

:07:36. > :07:43.yesterday, a familiar routine. But four hours later everyone

:07:44. > :07:46.on board this plane was dead, their lives cut short

:07:47. > :07:48.in an instant over Ukraine. In a back garden in Newcastle today,

:07:49. > :07:51.the father of one of the victims told me about his 28-year-old son he

:07:52. > :07:54.will never see again. Liam Sweeney grew

:07:55. > :07:56.from a schoolboy who loved Newcastle United to a young man who

:07:57. > :08:00.was on his way to watch them in New Ringing people on the emergency

:08:01. > :08:06.lines and whatever, hoping, to be honest with you, that one of

:08:07. > :08:11.those nine Britons was not my son. Horrible towards someone else,

:08:12. > :08:14.but you do think of your own I'd probably rather it was me

:08:15. > :08:21.sitting on the plane and not him. Liam was travelling with fellow

:08:22. > :08:25.lifeling fan John Alder. Friends today left tributes to him

:08:26. > :08:28.at the club. You turn around at Newcastle United,

:08:29. > :08:31.wherever we were playing, John was there in his suit, cheering

:08:32. > :08:36.his team on, showing his passion. The club has now set aside this

:08:37. > :08:39.dedicated area for the fans who they say were known to thousands

:08:40. > :08:42.of supporters, and in a statement Newcastle United say the loss of

:08:43. > :08:49.John and Liam is truly devastating. Also on board was 49-year-old

:08:50. > :08:52.Glenn Thomas from Blackpool, a press officer for the

:08:53. > :08:55.World Health Organisation. He was travelling to an AIDS

:08:56. > :08:59.conference in Australia. Other British people on

:09:00. > :09:02.the plane included Ben Pocock from Bristol, a student at Loughborough,

:09:03. > :09:06.and Richard Mayne, also a student, But it is the Dutch who bear

:09:07. > :09:12.the brunt of the death toll. Cor Schilder and Neeljte Tol were

:09:13. > :09:15.heading off on their holidays. She ran a flower shop

:09:16. > :09:18.in a small town north of Amsterdam. We can do nothing,

:09:19. > :09:23.that is the problem. All we can do is lay

:09:24. > :09:28.down flowers and think about them. It is a tragedy,

:09:29. > :09:40.I don't know what to say. Little shrines are popping up

:09:41. > :09:45.around the world now to remember This is the grief of family

:09:46. > :10:04.and friends which will last Let's get the perspective now from

:10:05. > :10:06.Moscow and Washington. Our diplomatic correspondent, Bridget

:10:07. > :10:11.Kendall con is in the Russian capital and Tom Esselmont is in

:10:12. > :10:15.Washington. Tom Palmer President Obama and his

:10:16. > :10:18.representative to the UN at that meeting of the Security Council

:10:19. > :10:23.today, have both made it clear that the Americans believe it was

:10:24. > :10:27.pro-Russian separatists who fired that missile undershot down this

:10:28. > :10:32.plane. What is there evidence? -- and shot down.

:10:33. > :10:34.That is a good question, because whatever evidence they are using we

:10:35. > :10:40.have not seen it. President Obama did say that he

:10:41. > :10:44.understands it was a surface-to-air missile that brought down the plane

:10:45. > :10:50.and that it was fired from eastern Ukraine, territory controlled by

:10:51. > :10:55.pro-Russian separatists. And that's those separatists have received over

:10:56. > :10:59.the last few months heavy weaponry across the from Russia, so therefore

:11:00. > :11:06.the American President Lee and responsibility for the downing of

:11:07. > :11:10.this plane at Russia's door. As you mentioned, the comments from the

:11:11. > :11:14.American president came hot on the heels of the statement read out at

:11:15. > :11:21.the UN Security Council by the American ambassador to the council,

:11:22. > :11:25.Samantha Power, in which she said that America could not rule out that

:11:26. > :11:28.the separatists had been receiving technical assistance from Russia in

:11:29. > :11:36.order to be able to fire such a missile. But, as yet, we have not

:11:37. > :11:40.seen the piece of evidence they are using to bring about these

:11:41. > :11:44.assertions. Let's go to you, Bridget, in Moscow.

:11:45. > :11:48.The Russians throughout the day have been making it clear that those

:11:49. > :11:52.separatists on the ground in eastern Ukraine do not have access to that

:11:53. > :11:56.kind of heavy sophisticated weaponry that can shoot down a commercial

:11:57. > :12:00.airliner at 33,000 feet. Do they have a point?

:12:01. > :12:04.Well, their argument all along has been that Russia has not been

:12:05. > :12:08.supplying heavy weaponry across the border, they do not control these

:12:09. > :12:12.rebel fighters in the East. All they wanted to do is to try and bring

:12:13. > :12:14.about a peaceful full ocean to a conflict that is in Ukraine.

:12:15. > :12:17.about a peaceful full ocean to a conflict that is -- peaceful

:12:18. > :12:22.solution to a conflict. They are saying, look at the Ukrainian

:12:23. > :12:25.government, they claim it is the Ukrainian government's campaign that

:12:26. > :12:32.includes strikes and the use of fighter jets that has caused a lot

:12:33. > :12:36.of civilian deaths already in eastern Ukraine and one should not

:12:37. > :12:39.rule out the possibility that the culpability for this incident could

:12:40. > :12:44.come from the other side. There is a sense, I feel, as though the

:12:45. > :12:47.Russians are being a bit defensive. They are not actually a great

:12:48. > :12:51.accusing Kiev of shooting down the plane, they are just making a more

:12:52. > :12:55.general point that it is supposed to control this territory and it is the

:12:56. > :12:59.one that has launched a campaign, so it should bear responsibility for

:13:00. > :13:04.what happens there, and it should have closed the air space if it was

:13:05. > :13:07.not to say. It feels a bit like there is uncertainty in Russia about

:13:08. > :13:11.what to do next, because if you think about it the eyes of the world

:13:12. > :13:15.are now on this little bit of territory again and exactly what is

:13:16. > :13:19.happening on that border. President Obama again today said to President

:13:20. > :13:24.Putin come as he and other leaders have been saying repeatedly. Close

:13:25. > :13:29.that border, make sure no fighters come across to make sure the

:13:30. > :13:32.conflict is not fuelled. It is difficult for President Putin as to

:13:33. > :13:36.how he might respond. Remember, the eyes of the world are on this. There

:13:37. > :13:40.were many other passengers on that plane, not just western citizens but

:13:41. > :13:44.Malaysians from other parts of the world, and they too will want to

:13:45. > :13:50.know what happened in this part of the world. Moscow has to be careful

:13:51. > :13:54.how it plays this. Back to you, Thomas in Washington.

:13:55. > :13:59.The call from much of the world has been for an independent,

:14:00. > :14:04.verifiable, transparent inquiry into what happened. That is very much the

:14:05. > :14:07.point the US representative to the UN made before the Security Council

:14:08. > :14:14.today. Are the Americans confident they will get that?

:14:15. > :14:17.Yes, it is interesting, because all sides, Russia included, have called

:14:18. > :14:22.for an independent and impartial investigation, but of course at some

:14:23. > :14:25.point they will have to be a conclusion to that investigation,

:14:26. > :14:33.one which cannot possibly satisfy one would think, all sides. America

:14:34. > :14:38.for its part has said it is sending its own experts to Ukraine, they are

:14:39. > :14:42.on their way now. As one would imagine, are those from other

:14:43. > :14:46.countries, as well, and people from the FBI and all sport -- also from

:14:47. > :15:01.the transport safety board who will fly there. Key question is...

:15:02. > :15:10.In Washington. But thank you anyway. Many thanks.

:15:11. > :15:15.What about the investigation itself, when it begins? We know that they

:15:16. > :15:19.view monitors have been allowed into the area by some of the separatists

:15:20. > :15:24.on the ground, but they had limited access to the crash site. As you

:15:25. > :15:27.were hearing there, the call from around the world is really for

:15:28. > :15:32.independent investigators to be able to get in there and find out exactly

:15:33. > :15:36.what happened. But it is, of course, in the middle of a war zone. This

:15:37. > :15:41.plane came down in rebel held territory in the east of Ukraine.

:15:42. > :15:47.Richard Wescott has been looking at the main focus of the investigation.

:15:48. > :15:51.Investigators will be desperate to secure the crash scene as soon as

:15:52. > :15:54.possible. Right now, there is no guarantee evidence has not been

:15:55. > :15:59.moved or even taken away by the people there. It won't be an easy

:16:00. > :16:03.investigation. The Ukrainians would normally take charge, but the crash

:16:04. > :16:08.site is in an area controlled by the people they are fighting. However,

:16:09. > :16:11.one former investigator who worked on the Lockerbie bombing says that

:16:12. > :16:17.once experts arrive, it should be full of clues. If you have a missile

:16:18. > :16:23.warhead explosion or an explosion of a bomb on board a neck raft, the

:16:24. > :16:28.services that get washed by the blast tend to have traces of the

:16:29. > :16:34.explosive left on them. So it is possible then to swab the surface,

:16:35. > :16:39.send that off to a laboratory, and it is relatively easy to identify

:16:40. > :16:43.the actual explosive. It's a missile from a launcher like this one that

:16:44. > :16:47.they will be looking for, a Russian-made Buk. It is radar guided

:16:48. > :16:50.and easily able to reach the aircraft. The maximum range is more

:16:51. > :16:56.than double the altitude of the airliner. Expert operators, like

:16:57. > :17:00.state armies, are trained to identify what they are aiming at

:17:01. > :17:05.before firing. But in the wrong hands, it is easy to make a mistake.

:17:06. > :17:09.They may well have had enough training to get a lock on the target

:17:10. > :17:11.and scan for targets, but maybe not enough to understand the full

:17:12. > :17:16.intricacies of the system, so, for example, turning between different

:17:17. > :17:20.transponder codes which would indicate a civilian rather than

:17:21. > :17:23.military aircraft. There are now questions about why airliner were

:17:24. > :17:30.flying over a conflict zone. These radar tracks show that the same

:17:31. > :17:34.route has been used for some time, because it had been officially

:17:35. > :17:38.declared safe above 32,000 feet. Malaysia Airlines were not alone.

:17:39. > :17:44.Love plans are also used it, along with dozens of other airlines. Look

:17:45. > :17:46.at this. British Airways decided to avoid Ukraine altogether.

:17:47. > :17:50.Incidentally, this is the radar picture from earlier today. You can

:17:51. > :17:56.see the column of aircraft now skirting around the danger zone. So

:17:57. > :18:01.where does the investigation go from here? As ever, recovering the black

:18:02. > :18:08.boxes is vital. One records and sounds in the cockpit. Anyone with a

:18:09. > :18:12.stake in the flight will want to be involved. It is a Malaysia Airlines,

:18:13. > :18:15.an American aircraft with British engines made by Rolls-Royce, and

:18:16. > :18:19.there were at least ten nationalities on board. It is going

:18:20. > :18:30.to be one of the most controversial aircraft investigations ever made,

:18:31. > :18:34.and one of the most closely watched. Back now to those who died, whose

:18:35. > :18:38.lives were lost. This is an international tragedy, there is no

:18:39. > :18:41.doubt. But people in the Netherlands have paid the highest price, and

:18:42. > :18:46.there is not just sadness and grief at the loss of life, there is also a

:18:47. > :18:50.sense that it was unavoidable, that it was not a technical fault or bad

:18:51. > :18:55.weather that caused this plane to come down. It was a missile that

:18:56. > :19:01.shot down this aircraft. Those are the indications from the analysis so

:19:02. > :19:04.far. Basically, it was human being intervention, man-made

:19:05. > :19:19.intervention, that caused this tragedy. And with that, it is back

:19:20. > :19:22.to you. Thank you very much. We will

:19:23. > :19:24.continue to monitor that, but here is the main bellwether of the main

:19:25. > :19:26.story of the day. Israeli troops have pushed deeper

:19:27. > :19:28.into Gaza on the second day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

:19:29. > :19:31.said he had told his military to prepare for

:19:32. > :19:33.a possible "significant'' expansion of the operation to destroy tunnels

:19:34. > :19:44.and rocket launchers. The United Nations says the number

:19:45. > :19:49.of displaced Palestinians has almost doubled to 40,000 today. Our chief

:19:50. > :19:57.international correspondent reports. Late last night, Israeli soldiers

:19:58. > :20:05.crossed into Gaza on foot. Backed up by tanks and artillery, a major

:20:06. > :20:10.escalation in its military campaign. This morning, families are on the

:20:11. > :20:18.run. They can move and sits next to the Israeli border. Taking as much

:20:19. > :20:27.as they can carry, they are fleeing. They go as fast as they can. We were

:20:28. > :20:32.sitting in our houses, this woman cries. They started shelling us. We

:20:33. > :20:38.went to a relative's has, and they started shelling there. Israel says

:20:39. > :20:42.its forces are searching for tunnels used by Palestinian militants for

:20:43. > :20:51.cross-border raids. Barnett tunnels here? Why is this area targeted?

:20:52. > :20:59.TRANSLATION: There are no tunnels. There is nothing in our area here.

:21:00. > :21:03.That is just what they want to tell other countries to justify this.

:21:04. > :21:07.This is one of the key areas they are targeting. We have heard shells

:21:08. > :21:12.being fired and artillery in the last hour. We have seen families on

:21:13. > :21:15.the run, running in every possible direction, not sure where this

:21:16. > :21:23.military operation is going. Not sure where they should go for

:21:24. > :21:26.safety. In Israel this morning, the Prime

:21:27. > :21:33.Minister convened his security cabinet. TRANSLATION: We chose to

:21:34. > :21:36.start this operation after we exhausted other options, and out of

:21:37. > :21:42.an understanding that without the operation, the price we may pay

:21:43. > :21:46.could be much higher. Israel is already warning it could

:21:47. > :21:54.significantly widen its military operations. More reservists have

:21:55. > :21:59.been called up. Israel says it is not seeking to topple Hamas, which

:22:00. > :22:07.controls Gaza, but today, we witnessed another air strike

:22:08. > :22:12.targeting its leaders. Hamas says it will not destroy them.

:22:13. > :22:14.To discuss this further we're joined by Fawaz Gerges,

:22:15. > :22:17.Professor of Middle Eastern politics at the London School of Economics,

:22:18. > :22:19.and from Washington by David Pollock, a fellow at the Washington

:22:20. > :22:34.Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming in. We have obviously been

:22:35. > :22:38.here before. David, let me ask you first, what is Israel hoping to

:22:39. > :22:45.achieve by this? Are they hoping to topple Hamas? I don't think so.

:22:46. > :22:51.Although I think Hamas will be weakened as a result of this. I

:22:52. > :22:56.think Israel's primary goal is just to stop Hamas rocket fire into

:22:57. > :23:01.Israel, and that is why Israel accented the cease-fire a few days

:23:02. > :23:07.ago, and when Hamas didn't and kept shooting rockets into Israel, the

:23:08. > :23:11.Israelis expanded their operation, hoping that maybe that would

:23:12. > :23:19.convince Hamas to stop all fours it to stop. Why did Hamas not accept

:23:20. > :23:22.that truce? Hamas leaders say first of all they were not consulted on

:23:23. > :23:25.the Egyptian cease-fire initiative, and only found out about it from

:23:26. > :23:29.press reports. This tells you a good deal. We have many reports coming

:23:30. > :23:34.out from Israel that Egypt consulted Israel and the US, but did not

:23:35. > :23:37.consult Hamas. Hamas leaders also say that the cease-fire initiative

:23:38. > :23:40.presents Hamas with a stark choice. If you reject the cease-fire

:23:41. > :23:51.initiative, you will face all out war by Israel. And if you accept the

:23:52. > :23:54.initiative, practice where one, and square one for Hamas leaders means

:23:55. > :23:59.bleeding in a slow death, because remember, Hamas in Gaza are

:24:00. > :24:07.encircled and besieged by both Israel and Egypt, and this

:24:08. > :24:11.particular siege sees Israel starving in bleeding Hamas. It

:24:12. > :24:16.doesn't have the resources to govern in Gaza. The economic situation is

:24:17. > :24:20.horrible, and it is facing an accident predicament. That is why

:24:21. > :24:26.they want basically to change the terms of the cease-fire initiative

:24:27. > :24:31.into basically, stopping the eight year blockade imposed by Israel and

:24:32. > :24:35.Gaza and opening the crossing with Egypt in order to bring supplies and

:24:36. > :24:40.resources into Gaza. David, do you think that is something Israel will

:24:41. > :24:48.accept? First of all, I think it is really important to point out that

:24:49. > :24:53.Israel does not impose a siege or blockade on Gaza. In fact, Israel

:24:54. > :24:57.allows goods and people to go in and out of Gaza in a controlled

:24:58. > :25:03.fashion. Every single day, even during this conflict. Over 100

:25:04. > :25:11.trucks crossed into Gaza delivering food, medicine, and other supplies,

:25:12. > :25:13.and every single day, Israel's supplying Gaza with water and

:25:14. > :25:20.electricity, so this is not a blockade. I think the question

:25:21. > :25:28.really is more to Egypt than two Israel, will Egypt lift its blockade

:25:29. > :25:33.of Gaza by opening the crossing not just to a few emergency humanitarian

:25:34. > :25:38.cases or to evacuating foreigners, from Gaza, but for Palestinians to

:25:39. > :25:42.go in and out, and for goods to go in and out. I don't think Egypt,

:25:43. > :25:45.especially under the new Egyptian government, is likely to access

:25:46. > :25:50.that, and so there will be pressure on Israel to further relax any

:25:51. > :25:55.restrictions that it places on traffic in and out of Gaza. That is

:25:56. > :26:00.a point, isn't it? Hamas has lost one of its regional supporters. It

:26:01. > :26:06.clearly has. The Egyptian role shifted from an ally of Hamas to a

:26:07. > :26:09.bitter enemy. There is a regional rivalry now between Egypt on the one

:26:10. > :26:13.hand and basically, it does not really want Hamas to gain any

:26:14. > :26:20.political leverage, and Turkey, who basically have influence over Hamas.

:26:21. > :26:27.This is why the Palestinian president is basically now flying to

:26:28. > :26:33.Turkey, to talk to the leaders of Turkey and Qatar. The reality is,

:26:34. > :26:37.Gaza is the biggest prison in the world. Verratti million people in

:26:38. > :26:40.Gaza who have been suffering for the last eight years. I'm sure David

:26:41. > :26:44.would want to comment on that, but we are out of time. It seems we need

:26:45. > :26:50.an awful lot of time to discuss this topic. Thank you very much for me

:26:51. > :26:56.and dash-macro from the team. Goodbye.

:26:57. > :27:06.We ended the week with some thunderstorms, but be prepared as an

:27:07. > :27:10.torrential downpour through Saturday. They are scattered across

:27:11. > :27:12.various parts of the UK. Getting the detail, timing and distribution

:27:13. > :27:13.right will not