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:00:00. > :00:16.At a malice Baxter. -- I am Alice Baxter.

:00:17. > :00:20.World powers meeting in New York have agreed a draft resolution

:00:21. > :00:29.A spokesperson for President Assad says the West must change its

:00:30. > :00:33.attitude. I think there is a certain reality created in the heads of the

:00:34. > :00:38.Western media and western people that has no region with our reality

:00:39. > :00:43.whatsoever. It is totally divorced. We will have action on that for you,

:00:44. > :00:51.but there is a warning the country may collapse unless President Assad

:00:52. > :00:55.is sidelined, from the opposition. We are very close to becoming a

:00:56. > :01:01.failed state. In rewind the people vote on changes to the Constitution

:01:02. > :01:10.which could mean president Paul Kagame could remain in power until

:01:11. > :01:16.2034 -- in Rwanda. And we learn how six tonne elephants are being used

:01:17. > :01:24.to scare animals away from people's homes.

:01:25. > :01:30.World powers meeting in New York have agreed on a draft resolution

:01:31. > :01:36.It gives UN approval to efforts to reach a ceasefire and launch

:01:37. > :01:44.They're expected to vote on it shortly.

:01:45. > :01:47.the government and the opposition as early as January.

:01:48. > :01:50.It's supported by countries backing both the Syrian government

:01:51. > :02:11.Our chief international correspondent Lyse Doucet who has

:02:12. > :02:17.just returned from Damascus joins me now in the studio. How do you think

:02:18. > :02:25.this news will go down in Syria? I think every Syrian wants to end this

:02:26. > :02:26.war. This is to warn the country, in that humanitarian appeal, nearly 14

:02:27. > :02:37.million people, half the of Syria, they now need humanitarian

:02:38. > :02:40.assistance. Before the war, the comparison, a huge descent into

:02:41. > :02:45.darkness for this country. Before this bought, almost every UN envoy

:02:46. > :02:50.quit blaming gridlock for their failure to make progress. The fact

:02:51. > :02:53.that both enemies and allies of President Assad today, because he

:02:54. > :02:57.remains the main issue, have been able to sit down and come up with

:02:58. > :03:02.this and presented to the Council resolution is a big step forward but

:03:03. > :03:05.it is not enough because the gaps between the Syrian side remains

:03:06. > :03:12.wide. On that, how important do you think it was that Iran was around

:03:13. > :03:16.the table in these discussions? You cannot solve an issue if one of the

:03:17. > :03:16.biggest players on the issue is not in the

:03:17. > :03:26.important Russia and Iran where they are, the two main allies of

:03:27. > :03:28.President Assad. It gives a fighting chance for the process to move

:03:29. > :03:31.forward but there are still significant differences and you can

:03:32. > :03:34.hear the reports coming out throughout the day from New York

:03:35. > :03:40.about the main gaps between the parties. For example, about which

:03:41. > :03:44.opposition groups are acceptable to sit at the table and which, the

:03:45. > :03:47.question Russia has been pushing, our terrorist groups linked to

:03:48. > :03:53.Al-Qaeda who should not be sitting at the table discussing the future

:03:54. > :03:57.of Syria. And as we wait for the UN security council to vote on this

:03:58. > :04:02.draft resolution we are expecting the Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to

:04:03. > :04:06.speak shortly. As I said earlier, you had just returned from Damascus

:04:07. > :04:11.where you were speaking to a number of people involved in this process.

:04:12. > :04:16.What will be saying to you? On the trip I was quite taken by how

:04:17. > :04:22.confident they seem in Damascus. They have always been very

:04:23. > :04:26.belligerent in terms of saying that they are waiting for discussions.

:04:27. > :04:30.Resident Assad must not go, but that has been bolstered by the military

:04:31. > :04:34.intervention of Russia into the ward -- president. It has been playing a

:04:35. > :04:44.big role on the front lines against opposition forces, and I was able to

:04:45. > :04:50.ask Assad's adviser, Bouthaina Shabaan, whether they were able to

:04:51. > :04:54.go for talks. I am cautious, you know, about what is happening. We

:04:55. > :05:00.have seen good moments and then they came to no results. I think it all

:05:01. > :05:04.depends on the people who are supporting the armed groups in

:05:05. > :05:07.Syria, whether they want to stop supporting these armed groups and

:05:08. > :05:14.moved to a political solution. For us, we are ready. In the last round

:05:15. > :05:19.of talks they said the Syrian envoy was not really ready to talk

:05:20. > :05:23.politics. Has the view of the Syrian government changed? We are talking

:05:24. > :05:32.politics all the time, the only thing we are talking about! Nothing

:05:33. > :05:34.else, just politics. Is discussing President Assad's future... That is

:05:35. > :05:37.not politics. That is interference in the Syrian government and the

:05:38. > :05:41.Syrian people. I do not know where the logic came from that any country

:05:42. > :05:45.can speak about the right of a president in another country to stay

:05:46. > :05:53.off go. This is illogical. The logical thing is to have a dialogue

:05:54. > :05:57.between opposition and the government to speak about

:05:58. > :06:03.institutions, the political steps, to speak about unity government, a

:06:04. > :06:07.national unity government. These are the logical steps. I do not get the

:06:08. > :06:12.impression in Damascus that senior officials like you and others have a

:06:13. > :06:16.sense that significant political change lies ahead? You need partners

:06:17. > :06:21.to move to a political process. We have to start at the beginning. The

:06:22. > :06:25.beginning is to find the partners who want to speak to the Syrian

:06:26. > :06:29.government. Where is the list of the opposition that wants to dialogue

:06:30. > :06:34.with us? We are ready. The Syrian government has been positive all the

:06:35. > :06:39.way through about a political dialogue and political solution, but

:06:40. > :06:42.unfortunately Western media and the West is having an attitude against

:06:43. > :06:47.the Syrian government and supporting people who are carrying arms,

:06:48. > :06:52.committing crimes and who will breach the gates, doing the same

:06:53. > :06:57.thing as they have been doing in our country. -- they will breach the

:06:58. > :07:05.gates of Europe. Does it worry you when senior Russian and Iranians

:07:06. > :07:09.figures say they are not wedded to President Assad. We don't want them

:07:10. > :07:15.to be focused only on President Assad. It is the Syrian people's

:07:16. > :07:20.business to elect or not re-elect Assad but it is no one else's

:07:21. > :07:23.business. We wish people would not focus on President Assad. But it

:07:24. > :07:30.will make you nervous to think of the pressure on your... No, because

:07:31. > :07:37.the president himself, he has said many times I would go by what my

:07:38. > :07:43.people want, so it does not make us nervous or worry us at all. I think

:07:44. > :07:47.there is a certain reality that is created in the heads of Western

:07:48. > :07:51.media and western people that has no relation to our reality whatsoever.

:07:52. > :07:55.It is totally divorced from our reality and I just hope they will

:07:56. > :08:01.start to act knowledge of reality as it is an act accordingly. That is

:08:02. > :08:06.reallocate as seen from Damascus. Confident and defiant about -- that

:08:07. > :08:13.is reality as it is seen from Damascus. These outside powers in

:08:14. > :08:17.New York, of them are not even up for discussion. What we have seen on

:08:18. > :08:22.the opposition side, they insist it is the biggest gap, that Assad

:08:23. > :08:26.should go. They say the process can start with him and that is primarily

:08:27. > :08:30.because they do not want to see a collapse in Damascus of the kind we

:08:31. > :08:35.have seen in Iraq and Libya and that is one thing uniting everyone in

:08:36. > :08:41.this process now. I went and sat down with a man who is more and more

:08:42. > :08:44.a permanent member of the delegation and has been attending peace talks

:08:45. > :08:49.since the uprising began five years ago. He is a prominent London-based

:08:50. > :08:53.businessman, Ayman Asfari. He was at the last big gathering and I asked

:08:54. > :09:03.him whether the opposition would be willing to go to the table without a

:09:04. > :09:07.definite date for Assad's departure. It is dying.

:09:08. > :09:10.I think the opposition will find it extremely difficult to go

:09:11. > :09:24.You cannot take a patient into an ICU and have him next one of the

:09:25. > :09:29.others because he would kill him. Can you start working out without is

:09:30. > :09:33.certainty about his role, a date for him leaving? I think the opposition

:09:34. > :09:38.would find it extremely difficult to go into any transition if there is

:09:39. > :09:43.no clarity the transition be real. And there will be no real transition

:09:44. > :09:48.if people do not see that 45 years of the Assad regime is going to be

:09:49. > :09:52.over. People now access the institutions of the state have to be

:09:53. > :09:56.retained. Nobody wants another Iraq or another Libya but they want to

:09:57. > :09:59.see the institutions of the regime under some new leadership. Some

:10:00. > :10:04.people from the regime itself will be committed to a gradual process to

:10:05. > :10:06.meet the aspirations of the Syrian people and unless this is done and

:10:07. > :10:12.they see there is a credible transition things will not come to

:10:13. > :10:15.an end. They will not come to an end without a coherent opposition

:10:16. > :10:20.delegation but, as you know, because you were at the conference, there

:10:21. > :10:25.were still big differences from the very moderate to the very extreme at

:10:26. > :10:29.that meeting. Yes, but I think the important thing is there is a

:10:30. > :10:33.unifying document. For me it does not matter who goes to these

:10:34. > :10:38.discussions... But it does in the sense of who speaks for Syria. Some

:10:39. > :10:43.of the Islamist groups who attended... Or is it more moderate,

:10:44. > :10:52.secular groups like yourself... The basis of the negotiation is the

:10:53. > :10:57.declaration made in Riyadh. Nobody spoke about and Islamic State. They

:10:58. > :11:00.all spoke about a civil date, democracy in the country, pluralism,

:11:01. > :11:05.nonsectarian -ism. Everybody signed up to these and if they negotiate

:11:06. > :11:08.outside of those parameters it will be a problem, but those were the

:11:09. > :11:12.parameters of the Riyadh conference which is the basis for any future

:11:13. > :11:17.negotiation. What do you say to President Assad and his ally Russia

:11:18. > :11:21.when they say they cannot hock to terrorists, Al-Qaeda linked groups

:11:22. > :11:27.that should not be part of the future of Syria? -- cannot speak.

:11:28. > :11:33.Don't you consider bombing for five years terrorism? Don't you consider

:11:34. > :11:37.killing dated knees, the way they are tortured, terrorism? --

:11:38. > :11:41.detainees. I can tell you 95% of the Syrian civilians who died died at

:11:42. > :11:47.the hands of the Syrian regime. There has been more state terrorism

:11:48. > :11:52.in Syria on the hands of Assad than all of Isil combined obviously Isil

:11:53. > :11:55.are terrorists and they need to be defeated, but people are ignoring

:11:56. > :12:00.this state terrorism that is killing its own people and it has been going

:12:01. > :12:03.on for five years. I think the terrorism on both sides of the

:12:04. > :12:09.equation should not be part of any future transition. That was Ayman

:12:10. > :12:13.Asfari. And that is the other issue they have been grappling with. Which

:12:14. > :12:17.opposition groups can sit at the table? They do not seem to have come

:12:18. > :12:21.to an agreement on that. Jordan was tasked with that part of the Google

:12:22. > :12:25.gestures and they do not have seemed to have come to an agreed list.

:12:26. > :12:31.Really difficult. Let's take our viewers live to the UN security

:12:32. > :12:39.council meeting in the dark. They are due to vote in this draft -- on

:12:40. > :12:46.this draft resolution. # Meeting in New York. The president

:12:47. > :12:48.of the security council, distinguished ministers of

:12:49. > :12:53.excellency and ladies and gentlemen, the Syrian conflict began with

:12:54. > :12:59.peaceful popular demands for political change but soon became

:13:00. > :13:04.defined by into regional and international divisions including in

:13:05. > :13:09.this very council. Almost five years later, we see a country in ruins,

:13:10. > :13:16.billions of people scattered across the world and the radicalism and

:13:17. > :13:27.sick hearing is that challenges regional and global security.

:13:28. > :13:34.I recognise the statesmanship of the US Secretary of State John Kerry and

:13:35. > :13:43.the Russian Foreign Minister. I also welcomed the resolution the Security

:13:44. > :13:47.Council will adopt at this meeting. As the first resolution to focus on

:13:48. > :13:55.the political path to resolving the crisis, this marks a very important

:13:56. > :13:59.step on which we must build. I would like to take this opportunity to

:14:00. > :14:02.thank all of the distinguished ministers who have taken such great

:14:03. > :14:14.leadership impetus to beating in this meeting. At the two recent

:14:15. > :14:19.meetings in Vienna, the ISSG made two major requests of the United

:14:20. > :14:22.Nations, firstly to convene in January formal negotiations between

:14:23. > :14:28.the Syrian government and opposition representatives focused on the

:14:29. > :14:35.Syrian transition process. Second, and imperative to determine the

:14:36. > :14:39.requirements of a nationwide ceasefire. The United Nations stands

:14:40. > :14:43.ready to undertake these important tasks. We welcome the meeting

:14:44. > :14:51.convened in Riyadh that brought together a broad spectrum of the

:14:52. > :14:54.Syrian opposition. As a government -- the government and opposition

:14:55. > :15:03.delegations are getting ready, they are getting ready to launch talks

:15:04. > :15:04.mediated by my envoy as set out in the Geneva communique. The parties

:15:05. > :15:12.must ensure the full and dissipation of women in these

:15:13. > :15:18.discussions. This morning at the meeting I urged the ISSG to apply

:15:19. > :15:21.the necessary pressure on the Syrian parties to immediately

:15:22. > :15:28.following confidence building measures. Firstly, to stop the use

:15:29. > :15:41.of which have continued despite the

:15:42. > :15:49.government, the to stop this. Secondly, on aid

:15:50. > :15:55.convoys. Tens of thousands of people in besieged areas have been forced

:15:56. > :16:02.to leave. This is outrageous. Thirdly, it packs on educational and

:16:03. > :16:07.medical facilities must be halted and all restrictions must be lifted

:16:08. > :16:15.for medical and surgical supplies from humanitarian convoys. Fourth,

:16:16. > :16:22.release all bikinis. Reports indicate prisoners faced torture and

:16:23. > :16:27.terrible conditions -- release all detainees. The people of Syria have

:16:28. > :16:37.suffered enough. I call for you to show vision and leadership in

:16:38. > :16:40.overcoming your differences. The opportunity for peace has emerged

:16:41. > :16:46.and your duty is to seize it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Secretary

:16:47. > :16:52.General, and in thanking you for your leadership

:16:53. > :16:55.and all the help the United Nations has given. The council is now ready

:16:56. > :17:06.to proceed resolution before it. Members of the

:17:07. > :17:11.council have before them a document and the text of a draft resolution

:17:12. > :17:13.is admitted by the native states of America. I will put this draft

:17:14. > :17:27.resolution to a in favour of the draft resolution

:17:28. > :17:41.taken -- contained in the document please raise their hands? The result

:17:42. > :17:44.of the voting is clear. The draft resolution has received 15 votes in

:17:45. > :17:54.favour and therefore at the draft resolution has been adopted

:17:55. > :17:59.unanimously as resolution 2254 of 2015. I will now make a statement in

:18:00. > :18:02.my capacity as Secretary of State of the United States. Mr Secretary

:18:03. > :18:10.General, special envoy, distinguished colleagues, I want to

:18:11. > :18:14.begin by thanking the other members who joined together to help fashion

:18:15. > :18:18.this resolution and who spent time this morning working with our

:18:19. > :18:30.colleagues in order to bring us here this afternoon. Plus our non-P4

:18:31. > :18:33.member, Germany, for whom we are grateful for their participation

:18:34. > :18:36.also. I want to thank all the member is of the Council for coming

:18:37. > :18:42.together at this late hour and I thank you in particular, Secretary

:18:43. > :18:48.General and special envoy, for your leadership and effort. I also want

:18:49. > :18:53.to thank the Foreign Minister of Russia for his collaboration and

:18:54. > :18:58.efforts over the course of both the Vienna conference is to produce the

:18:59. > :19:03.two Vienna communiques which are integrated into this resolution here

:19:04. > :19:10.today. By approving resolution 2254 today this council is sending a

:19:11. > :19:18.clear message to all concerned that the time is now to stop the killing

:19:19. > :19:24.in Syria and lay the groundwork for a government for the long-suffering

:19:25. > :19:27.people of that battered line, that they can support. After four and a

:19:28. > :19:31.half years of war this is the first and we have been able to come

:19:32. > :19:38.together at the native nations in the Security Council to embrace a

:19:39. > :19:44.road forward. -- the United Nations. One civilian in 20 has been killed

:19:45. > :19:48.or wounded and one in five is a refugee, and one in two has been

:19:49. > :19:53.displaced, of the Syrian people. Average life expectancy in Syria has

:19:54. > :19:58.dropped by 20 years. We need to reverse this course and that is our

:19:59. > :20:02.goal this afternoon, to put an end to the indiscriminate bombing, the

:20:03. > :20:07.acts of terror, the torture and the bloodshed. Our shared task is to

:20:08. > :20:13.find a way to make that happen. In support of this objective, President

:20:14. > :20:17.Obama has set for my country three interrelated Gauls, firstly to

:20:18. > :20:22.support our friends and ensure the instability created by the civil war

:20:23. > :20:26.in Syria does not spread further beyond its borders -- interrelated

:20:27. > :20:29.goals. That is why we are providing a record amount of Hugh Manichaean

:20:30. > :20:38.assistance and is why we are doing more to help Syria's neighbours to

:20:39. > :20:42.safeguard their territory -- humanitarian assistance. We are also

:20:43. > :20:48.determined with our coalition partners to degrade and defeat the

:20:49. > :20:57.terrorist organisation known as Daesh. In the past year the

:20:58. > :21:03.coalition and its partners worked to liberate Tikrit, free Sinjar, cut of

:21:04. > :21:09.terrorist supply lines and their oral capacity. Depriving them of

:21:10. > :21:14.territory they once controlled -- oil capacity. Now we are redoubling

:21:15. > :21:17.the pressure to help our partners take Ron Maddy, squeeze into more

:21:18. > :21:25.Zol and we are pushing ahead into northern Syria -- Ramadi. And also

:21:26. > :21:32.on recruiting and propaganda efforts. Following the meeting held

:21:33. > :21:39.here yesterday we are multiplying our efforts to cut Daesh of from the

:21:40. > :21:43.revenue sources that support its depravity, its criminality --

:21:44. > :21:47.off-mac. The truth is nothing would do more to bolster the fight against

:21:48. > :21:52.the terrorists than a broadly supported diplomatic process that

:21:53. > :21:59.gives the Syrian people in real choice, not a choice between Assad

:22:00. > :22:03.or Daesh, but between war and peace, between the violent extremes and the

:22:04. > :22:07.newly empowered political centre. That is why we have joined with so

:22:08. > :22:16.many of you in support of an urgent diplomatic initiative. Again and

:22:17. > :22:19.again, countries, not just around us today but in countless meetings in

:22:20. > :22:24.various parts of the world, have reaffirmed the notion that there has

:22:25. > :22:30.to be a political settlement. Well, this is the test. This is why we

:22:31. > :22:35.have joined here in a broader more action orientated effort than ever

:22:36. > :22:41.before attempted regarding Syria, to isolate the terrorists and put Syria

:22:42. > :22:45.on the road to a political transition in vision and by the

:22:46. > :22:49.Geneva communique and now embraced by the international community and

:22:50. > :22:56.the UN Security Council resolution. As the council's action today

:22:57. > :23:00.reflects, we have made important progress in recent weeks. Progress

:23:01. > :23:07.that should get us all fresh grounds for encouragement. Last month in

:23:08. > :23:12.Vienna it was agreed, they agreed on a series of steps to stop the

:23:13. > :23:16.bleeding in Syria, to advance a political transition, to isolate the

:23:17. > :23:28.terrorists and to help the Syrian people begin to rebuild their

:23:29. > :23:31.country. Last week in Riyadh a broad coalition came together to form a

:23:32. > :23:36.committee for renegotiation. Under the resolution approved today the

:23:37. > :23:39.purpose of those, between the responsible opposition and the

:23:40. > :23:45.Government is to facilitate it transition within Syria to a

:23:46. > :23:49.credible inclusive nonsectarian government within six months. The

:23:50. > :23:53.process would lead to the drafting of a new constitution and

:23:54. > :23:58.arrangements for internationally supervised election within 18

:23:59. > :24:04.months. I might add. Geneva never had those dates. It is the Vienna

:24:05. > :24:10.process and communicate that has produced a six-month and 18 month

:24:11. > :24:14.timeline and it is that process that has also embraced the ceasefire

:24:15. > :24:22.concept as well as embracing a set of principles and values about the

:24:23. > :24:26.shape that a new Syria might be able to take, as directed by Syrian

:24:27. > :24:31.you have just been listening to the US Secretary of State there are

:24:32. > :24:35.speaking after the council unanimously agreed a resolution

:24:36. > :24:41.endorsing an international road map for a peace process in Syria. A

:24:42. > :24:44.conflict that has of course claimed more than a quarter of a million

:24:45. > :24:51.lives and has dragged on for more than five years. Lyse Doucet it is

:24:52. > :24:55.still with me in the studio. John Kerry said it is time to stop the

:24:56. > :25:00.killing and bleeding in Syria. What are the next steps here. This is

:25:01. > :25:06.extraordinary in many ways. It marked the end of what might have

:25:07. > :25:09.been more than four years of deadlock in the UN security council,

:25:10. > :25:13.with the world powers completely and bitterly divided about how to move

:25:14. > :25:18.forward in Syria. Now they have this document. They have a resolution,

:25:19. > :25:23.unanimously agreed, and you have just heard John Kerry see, now is

:25:24. > :25:27.the time to stop the killing. Just listen to what he said -- you have

:25:28. > :25:34.heard him say. Many people will doubt whether this is possible.

:25:35. > :25:37.Inclusive nonsectarian Government within six months, huge order but at

:25:38. > :25:42.least they are saying they will try it. Wonderful to hear your thoughts,

:25:43. > :25:46.our chief international correspondent there. This historic

:25:47. > :25:49.moment, the UN security council unanimously agreeing on this

:25:50. > :25:53.resolution for a peace process in Syria. You have been watching World

:25:54. > :25:57.News Today. Thank you for being with us.