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:00:00. > :00:11.This is BBC World News Today with me Geeta Guru-Murthy.

:00:12. > :00:19.We have special live coverage of a news conference with Theresa May and

:00:20. > :00:27.Francoise Arman. I speak in English about cooperation. Obviously we have

:00:28. > :00:31.just talked about the issue of the invocation of article 50 and the

:00:32. > :00:35.length of time and, as the president said, we both recognise the

:00:36. > :00:38.importance of preparing for that so that the negotiations can be as

:00:39. > :00:43.orderly and constructive as possible. We have had excellent

:00:44. > :00:47.discussions, very constructive and very open discussions that I have

:00:48. > :00:51.just had with President Francois Hollande and I look forward to

:00:52. > :00:56.working with both him and Chancellor Angela Merkel in the future. I have

:00:57. > :01:03.had very good working relations with my French counterparts as Home

:01:04. > :01:07.Secretary both the previous interior minister and the current one and we

:01:08. > :01:10.have always worked very openly and constructively in a way that is to

:01:11. > :01:12.the benefit both countries and that is the spirit in which we will

:01:13. > :01:27.continue to work together the future. I had very precise

:01:28. > :01:32.information about Theresa May through both of the interior

:01:33. > :01:38.ministers who told me how much they both appreciated the work conducted

:01:39. > :01:43.jointly on very difficult issues that relate to our own security and

:01:44. > :01:48.the fight against terrorism and controlling migrated -- migration

:01:49. > :01:54.and how much France and UK have been able to achieve the necessary

:01:55. > :02:03.compromise to deal with the most tricky human issues and I knew that

:02:04. > :02:06.we would have a relationship. As to individuals and to countries it

:02:07. > :02:12.would be commensurate with our history and the friendship between

:02:13. > :02:19.us. On the issue of negotiations, it is not a matter of doing legally,

:02:20. > :02:24.engaging in legalese, you can do it, how to proceed, it's really all

:02:25. > :02:31.about having in mind the interest of our two countries and the interests

:02:32. > :02:34.of Europe. It is true that tomorrow the UK will no longer be in the EU

:02:35. > :02:40.but as the Prime Minister indicated the UK will still be in Europe.

:02:41. > :02:44.Geographically, there is no doubt, politically to the destiny of Europe

:02:45. > :02:50.will always be of interest to the UK as Europe will always be interested

:02:51. > :02:56.by what the UK can achieve on a global scale, so the opening of the

:02:57. > :03:00.negotiation to my mind must be consistent with our interests and

:03:01. > :03:03.reduce as far as possible uncertainty, doubts and questions.

:03:04. > :03:10.That is the sense of the French position. It is not possible to say

:03:11. > :03:16.to the British people you voted, you must draw the conclusions from that

:03:17. > :03:20.and you must, there must be a penalty applied to you in terms of

:03:21. > :03:26.your boat. It is not up to us to judge. The British people have

:03:27. > :03:33.decided. It has decided to leave the EU. Its freedom and its sovereignty

:03:34. > :03:43.and we must draw the conclusions of that. It is possible to obtain from

:03:44. > :03:47.the EU and from Francois Hollande both participation in the single

:03:48. > :03:55.market and restricted freedom of movement for your country? Well, the

:03:56. > :04:00.message that the British people gave in their vote for the UK to leave

:04:01. > :04:04.the EU also had a very clear message that we should introduce some

:04:05. > :04:09.controls to the movement of individuals from the countries in

:04:10. > :04:15.the European Union into the UK and obviously it will be part of the

:04:16. > :04:17.negotiations. I am clear that the government should deliver and will

:04:18. > :04:22.deliver on that for the British people but we also want to get the

:04:23. > :04:27.right deal on the trade in goods and services and I think this is

:04:28. > :04:30.important, economically not just for the United Kingdom but for other

:04:31. > :04:34.countries in the European Union as well. Obviously those matters will

:04:35. > :04:38.be matters for the negotiation process that we go through in

:04:39. > :04:39.determining the relationship for the UK with the European Union after

:04:40. > :05:00.we've left. That is the point that will be the

:05:01. > :05:04.subject of the negotiation. The UK today has access to the single

:05:05. > :05:09.market because it respects the four freedoms. If it wishes to remain

:05:10. > :05:15.within the single market it is its own decision to know how far it

:05:16. > :05:19.would have to abide by the four freedoms. None can be separated from

:05:20. > :05:26.the other, there cannot be freedom of movement of goods, free movement

:05:27. > :05:31.of capital, free movement of services if there isn't a free

:05:32. > :05:37.movement of people. With David Cameron, prior to the referendum,

:05:38. > :05:44.there had been a number of limited opt outs that in no way hindered

:05:45. > :05:52.freedom of movement of people and it would be the choice facing the UK,

:05:53. > :05:58.remain in the single market and then assume the free movement that goes

:05:59. > :06:07.with it, or to have another status, that will be the subject of the

:06:08. > :06:12.negotiation. Prime Minister, you suggested during the referendum that

:06:13. > :06:16.the UK border controls in Calais could be in jeopardy of the UK voted

:06:17. > :06:22.for Brexit and the French economy minister made a similar claim. This

:06:23. > :06:25.is a question to you both, is that completely wrong, or is there still

:06:26. > :06:34.any possibility at all that this agreement may be revisited? Well, we

:06:35. > :06:39.have discussed the agreement and President Francois Hollande and the

:06:40. > :06:44.interior minister have been very clear from their point of view that

:06:45. > :06:47.they wish the agreement to stay. I want the agreement to stay and I

:06:48. > :06:52.know there are those who are calling for it to go, there are those within

:06:53. > :06:56.France who are calling for it to go. I believe it is an important

:06:57. > :06:59.agreement. We have developed it in recent times and we have been

:07:00. > :07:04.putting more resources to the security around the area and I am

:07:05. > :07:08.grateful to the efforts that the French government have made in the

:07:09. > :07:13.increased numbers of police that they have put in to Calais in order

:07:14. > :07:19.to deal with issues around the juxtaposed controls there, from the

:07:20. > :07:22.migrant camps. The agreement is of benefit, I believe, to both the

:07:23. > :07:26.United Kingdom and France and I think we are both very clear,

:07:27. > :07:30.Britain now having taken the decision to leave the EU, but we are

:07:31. > :07:38.both very clear that this agreement should stay. The UK has never been

:07:39. > :07:43.in the Schengen area, so it was necessary to have an agreement

:07:44. > :07:52.between the UK and France, notably to address the issue of these

:07:53. > :07:59.migrants, these refugees coming to the borders of France and the UK in

:08:00. > :08:04.Calais and today is the Prime Minister indicated this agreement we

:08:05. > :08:07.applied because it is useful to both our countries and it allows us to

:08:08. > :08:15.address cases that otherwise would not be addressed and notably the

:08:16. > :08:20.case of Minos and it is also the case that we could say to migrants

:08:21. > :08:24.that they cannot come to Calais, there is no point coming to Calais,

:08:25. > :08:31.because they won't be able to cross because the UK will not accept them

:08:32. > :08:35.and the border security must be watertight so that there is no

:08:36. > :08:39.crossing at the risk of their life. It is in the interest of these

:08:40. > :08:43.people that we wanted to apply this agreement, let me remind you that it

:08:44. > :08:50.is another government that did this and we consider it as our duty to

:08:51. > :09:02.apply it and to apply it in the best spirit and also to improve it. Thank

:09:03. > :09:06.you. Thank you very much. The press conferences just breaking up there

:09:07. > :09:11.with the British Prime Minister Theresa May and Francois Hollande,

:09:12. > :09:18.the French president. This is a special live coverage for BBC world

:09:19. > :09:22.and the viewers here in the UK. Theresa May and Francois Hollande

:09:23. > :09:30.started off by paying tribute, of course, to the victims and those who

:09:31. > :09:34.lost loved ones in the Nice attack last week and they say the talks on

:09:35. > :09:38.Brexit got off to a very positive start. Theresa May said that the

:09:39. > :09:43.deal on British citizens living in the EU and French and other citizens

:09:44. > :09:48.living in the UK, they hoped it would continue. President Francois

:09:49. > :09:52.Hollande also said in terms of when Brexit should happen and in terms of

:09:53. > :09:56.a deal, the sooner the better, because uncertainty is very

:09:57. > :10:00.difficult. Also talking about the deal on Calais and is Theresa May

:10:01. > :10:05.said that the French wanted the deal to continue. Some uncertainty here

:10:06. > :10:09.about the status of that deal but both leaders basically were saying

:10:10. > :10:13.that they had had a very positive and constructive opening to talks

:10:14. > :10:17.but Francois Hollande said that if the UK wanted to stay in the single

:10:18. > :10:22.market it needed to abide by all four freedoms, goods, capital and

:10:23. > :10:27.services cannot continue if there is no freedom of movement for people.

:10:28. > :10:36.We will now get some reaction to that from the former political

:10:37. > :10:41.editor of the French newspaper Liberation. Give us your thoughts on

:10:42. > :10:46.this first public statement from the leaders. I thought that the reaction

:10:47. > :10:50.and the attitude from President Francois Hollande was a little bit

:10:51. > :10:53.more conciliatory tonight than it had been in previous statements,

:10:54. > :11:03.including this morning in Ireland when he was visiting in Dublin. I

:11:04. > :11:09.found that he added one small sentence when he said that article

:11:10. > :11:12.50 should be started as soon as possible, he said, but I understand

:11:13. > :11:17.that the newly formed British government needs time to prepare.

:11:18. > :11:22.This is something that Angela Merkel said yesterday in Berlin, but the

:11:23. > :11:28.French had not accepted this idea that Britain needed some time to

:11:29. > :11:32.prepare before activating article 50 and I thought this was a little bit

:11:33. > :11:40.more conciliatory than the official tough line that the French had put

:11:41. > :11:44.before. Why do you think that is? Is it that the reality of meeting the

:11:45. > :11:47.British leader and accepting that the opposition has got to be worked

:11:48. > :11:56.through, because it is obviously incredibly complex, isn't it? I

:11:57. > :12:00.think it is realistic. You cannot expect a massive negotiation such as

:12:01. > :12:05.the one that will take place between the UK and the EU to be just

:12:06. > :12:10.starting out of the blue and this is just plain realism. Also I think

:12:11. > :12:15.President Francois: this trying to follow a thin line between looking

:12:16. > :12:18.tough because he doesn't want to give the impression that it is easy

:12:19. > :12:23.to leave the European Union, he doesn't want to show other countries

:12:24. > :12:30.or French voters that this is something that can be done just

:12:31. > :12:35.overnight and in an easy way because as you know there are temptations

:12:36. > :12:40.elsewhere in Europe and in some sections of the French electorate to

:12:41. > :12:47.follow what happened in the UK. That is one point, and the second one is

:12:48. > :12:50.also that France is very keen, particularly one week after the Nice

:12:51. > :12:56.terrorist attack, to keep strong friendship relations with the UK.

:12:57. > :13:03.France and the UK have very strong the literary and intelligence and

:13:04. > :13:09.police cooperation dealing with terrorism or the Middle East issue

:13:10. > :13:13.and I think this is also very important at this stage, probably

:13:14. > :13:16.more than just politicking. We're just looking at the leaders shaking

:13:17. > :13:20.hands there and there were smiles and laughter at one point from

:13:21. > :13:24.Theresa May. I don't know what you thought of the body language. Had

:13:25. > :13:29.you think they got on? We saw Theresa May paying very warm tribute

:13:30. > :13:34.to the interior ministers and she said she had had an excellent

:13:35. > :13:40.relationship with them because she was the Home Secretary in Britain

:13:41. > :13:44.until a week ago. There was a lot of mutual tribute and also some light

:13:45. > :13:49.moments when Francois Hollande said that he had been improved by the

:13:50. > :13:54.interior ministers that she was somebody they could work with and

:13:55. > :14:01.that he could probably work with as well. I think they made their best

:14:02. > :14:06.to show a nice picture, some understanding but deep down the

:14:07. > :14:14.positions remain quite far apart. Many thanks indeed for your time. Of

:14:15. > :14:18.course both leaders did talk about the Nice attack at the start of that

:14:19. > :14:29.press conference. Today we heard more on that. The man who murdered

:14:30. > :14:35.those people down in the attack could helpers and it had been

:14:36. > :14:38.planned for months. This is according to the French prosecutor.

:14:39. > :14:40.Mr Molins said the investigation so far showed that the attacker

:14:41. > :14:42.Mohammed Bouhlel had plotted the attack for months

:14:43. > :14:45.From the investigation, based on those various photographs,

:14:46. > :14:47.it appears that Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had

:14:48. > :14:49.premeditated his criminal attack several months before

:14:50. > :14:55.Some of the contacts of previous weeks and

:14:56. > :14:57.months with the individuals individuals that are appearing

:14:58. > :15:06.before the court today are confirming this theory.

:15:07. > :15:10.Let's speak to our Paris correspondent Lucy Williamson.

:15:11. > :15:22.What more did we learn about the Nice attack?

:15:23. > :15:31.We learned that when investigators went through the phone of Mohammed

:15:32. > :15:35.Bouhlel and other places they found evidence that the interior minister

:15:36. > :15:39.had thought might be that of evidence of radicalisation. There

:15:40. > :15:42.where text messages between Mohammed Bouhlel and one of his suspected

:15:43. > :15:47.accomplices that describe them as the soldiers of Allah, which seemed

:15:48. > :15:52.to support the attacks on the offices of Charlie Hebdo here last

:15:53. > :15:58.year and really supported the theory that some in the government had put

:15:59. > :16:02.forward, that Mohammed Bouhlel might have been very quickly radicalised

:16:03. > :16:06.and now the big question is, this group of accomplices, if it turns

:16:07. > :16:11.out that they are indeed implicated in this attack, what sort of role do

:16:12. > :16:16.they have in the wider jihadist network, how plugged in was this

:16:17. > :16:22.group to those wider links for the jihadist network around the world?

:16:23. > :16:25.We saw the response of people in Nice just a few days ago to the

:16:26. > :16:30.French government, the feeling of a loss of control in France, can they

:16:31. > :16:34.trust their security services? What is the mood now with these new

:16:35. > :16:39.revelations coming out? Of course it is quite recent, these

:16:40. > :16:42.new revelations, but I think it will turn the pressure up on the

:16:43. > :16:46.government even more. You will remember at that time when the Prime

:16:47. > :16:53.Minister turned up on the promenade in Neath and was booed by the crowd,

:16:54. > :16:59.it wasn't really known what caused the attack and now there is more

:17:00. > :17:02.evidence suggesting there is a group with a more violent Islamist and

:17:03. > :17:05.jihadist motivation and if that turns that to be true the government

:17:06. > :17:09.will come under even more pressure, far more than if it were perhaps

:17:10. > :17:13.just a random attack. I do have to say that the mood in France after

:17:14. > :17:18.each one of the major attacks here, and there have been three now, has

:17:19. > :17:22.been slightly different. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January

:17:23. > :17:27.2015, that sense of real unity, of the country pulling together in

:17:28. > :17:31.grief as disintegrated to a large degree and people are very angry and

:17:32. > :17:36.divided and a lot of people are criticising the government for not

:17:37. > :17:42.being tough in terms of what it does to prevent attacks like this.

:17:43. > :18:07.Thank you very much indeed. We will move now to the United

:18:08. > :18:12.convention in Cleveland, Ohio which hasn't been short of drama.

:18:13. > :18:14.Former Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz was booed off stage yesterday

:18:15. > :18:17.after he refused to endorse Donald Trump, while Mr Trump has

:18:18. > :18:18.himself come under fire for comments regarding NATO.

:18:19. > :18:21.Our correspondent Gary O'Donoghue joins us now from Cleveland, Ohio.

:18:22. > :18:24.it has been an extraordinary few hours.

:18:25. > :18:27.Yes it is one of the things that keeps giving. We had Ted Cruz here

:18:28. > :18:29.in the wall last night refusing to endorse Donald Trump and getting

:18:30. > :18:32.roundly brewed offstage for doing that. This morning he has been

:18:33. > :18:37.giving some explanation about what he's thinking was an effectively he

:18:38. > :18:41.said he was not going to be a servile puppy dog to people who

:18:42. > :18:45.disrespected not just his wife, but his father as well. Here he is

:18:46. > :18:47.speaking at a Republican breakfast this morning.

:18:48. > :18:50.I'm not going to get into criticising or attacking Donald

:18:51. > :18:52.Trump but I'll just give you this response.

:18:53. > :18:53.I am not in the habit of

:18:54. > :19:02.supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father.

:19:03. > :19:06.And that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if

:19:07. > :19:09.you go and slander and attack Heidi that I'm going to nonetheless

:19:10. > :19:12.come like a servile puppy dog and say thank you very much

:19:13. > :19:21.for maligning my wife and maligning my father.

:19:22. > :19:29.And for those who have forgotten, those attacks, effectively he

:19:30. > :19:33.accused, Donald Trump accused the father of Ted Cruz about being

:19:34. > :19:37.involved in the assassination of Ted Kennedy and he also suggested that

:19:38. > :19:41.his wife was not very good looking, so pretty personal stuff. Later

:19:42. > :19:45.today we will have Donald Trump in the all behind me giving his keynote

:19:46. > :19:49.speech become pension, a much bigger speech than he is used to giving

:19:50. > :19:54.previously and it will be along the speech and more structured. We hope

:19:55. > :19:58.to hear more detail and more predations -- positions that out

:19:59. > :20:02.more clearly and notably we will see if there is a reference to the idea

:20:03. > :20:07.that Nato might not be able to rely on the United States to come to the

:20:08. > :20:10.aid of individual countries if they don't pay their dues and he has been

:20:11. > :20:12.setting that out this morning but it is a very big moment for him here in

:20:13. > :20:16.the arena. Brazilian police have arrested ten

:20:17. > :20:18.people who were allegedly planning a terrorist attack during next

:20:19. > :20:20.month's Olympic Games The arrests occurred

:20:21. > :20:23.in the border state of Parana, which borders Paraguay,

:20:24. > :20:38.from where members of the group were Police say the group is sympathetic

:20:39. > :20:44.to the so-called Islamic State. This is tagged man and a warrant for

:20:45. > :20:49.further two who have been arrested in the southern state of Parana,

:20:50. > :20:52.which is significant because it is a pretty open border with Paraguay and

:20:53. > :20:58.the allegation is that these people looked into the possibility of

:20:59. > :21:03.getting weapons, particularly AK-47 assault rifles from Paraguay into

:21:04. > :21:09.Brazil. The group been communicating with each other over Internet terror

:21:10. > :21:14.of -- Internet messaging services and they had celebrated, in the

:21:15. > :21:17.words of the police, the recent attacks in France and there wasn't

:21:18. > :21:20.enough information according to federal police here in Brazil to

:21:21. > :21:26.suspect these men of being in the planning stages of a possible

:21:27. > :21:31.attack. It is important to point out there is no specific information

:21:32. > :21:35.about an attack, a target, but because of the heightened security

:21:36. > :21:39.situation now in Rio and wider in the Brazil, with two weeks to go

:21:40. > :21:42.until the Olympic Games, the authorities are on an increased

:21:43. > :21:49.alert level which was increased again after the recent attacks and

:21:50. > :21:52.there have been lots of information and allegations across the web that

:21:53. > :21:55.an attack was imminent but the authorities are very clear to point

:21:56. > :22:00.out they have no specific evidence of an attack but this group of men,

:22:01. > :22:04.some of whom were known personally to each other and others had met

:22:05. > :22:05.over the Internet, were in the preparatory stages of planning an

:22:06. > :22:14.attack. Back to the Republican convention

:22:15. > :22:16.now, Jay Newton-Small is TIME Magazine's Washington correspondent

:22:17. > :22:23.and she joins me now Our news bulletin here in the UK is

:22:24. > :22:27.really dominated by so many unsettled events right around the

:22:28. > :22:31.globe so the leadership of the United States seems never more

:22:32. > :22:35.important. We will see Donald Trump today, but he has had a very

:22:36. > :22:40.extraordinary last few hours, first of all the Ted Cruz incident. Talk

:22:41. > :22:45.us through the significance of that and the prospects of unifying the

:22:46. > :22:49.Republicans? It is an incredibly important speech were Donald Trump,

:22:50. > :22:54.perhaps the most important of his life because two out of the last

:22:55. > :22:57.three days zone party at his own convention has been split over

:22:58. > :23:02.whether or not they want him as the nominee. He is yet to solidify his

:23:03. > :23:05.hold on the Republican party which makes it incredibly difficult to

:23:06. > :23:10.take on Hillary Clinton without the full backing of the party behind

:23:11. > :23:13.him. With the world being in such chaos and turmoil, with attacks

:23:14. > :23:25.happening all over the place, people are looking to America for

:23:26. > :23:28.leadership and they are looking to Donald Trump tonight to get a sense

:23:29. > :23:30.of gravitas and is to be presidential and disciplined

:23:31. > :23:31.candidate and to bring his party all together on one page.

:23:32. > :23:36.Is there a sense in terms of the polling that Donald Trump can become

:23:37. > :23:39.president? Well, the polling in some swing states remains close but in

:23:40. > :23:43.most states Hillary Clinton leads at least buy a little bit and that is

:23:44. > :23:50.reflective of the fact that she has led many commercials already against

:23:51. > :23:52.Donald Trump and he has yet to begin airing any television commercials

:23:53. > :23:57.against her so it may change as he goes up on air and the summer

:23:58. > :24:00.progresses and the general election starts but if the election were held

:24:01. > :24:04.today are certainly looks as though Hillary Clinton would win but a lot

:24:05. > :24:09.can happen between now and November. As you can see, a lot has happened

:24:10. > :24:14.already in the last few weeks so it is constantly changing in this race.

:24:15. > :24:18.What are you hearing about the speech, has there yet been any

:24:19. > :24:21.briefing about what he is going to say? Do the last few incidents

:24:22. > :24:26.actually matter? Have a dented his support?

:24:27. > :24:32.He certainly has to address it and talk about why Republicans are not

:24:33. > :24:36.choosing him and he hast to make his case to them about why they should

:24:37. > :24:41.support him. It will be focused around his campaign slogan which is

:24:42. > :24:44.make America a great again and it takes on the campaign slogan of

:24:45. > :24:48.Ronald Reagan which was let's make America a great again. He will talk

:24:49. > :24:51.about why America is not good and in the doldrums right now and the

:24:52. > :24:56.failure of leadership from Barack Obama and what that would mean and

:24:57. > :24:59.therefore Hillary Clinton as well because she was his secretary of

:25:00. > :25:03.state and he will talk about how he will take the country into a

:25:04. > :25:07.different path both in terms of his relations abroad and you saw that a

:25:08. > :25:10.little bit in his interview with the New York Times yesterday, talking

:25:11. > :25:13.about how he would re-evaluate Nato and a lot of our treaties which

:25:14. > :25:17.would certainly be a novel and a very new way of governing America.

:25:18. > :25:22.It is different from anything we have seen in the last few years, if

:25:23. > :25:26.ever. He will talk about the economic plan to bring jobs back to

:25:27. > :25:31.America so it will be a very sweeping speech and it is going to

:25:32. > :25:35.bring in all of the challenges and also all the strength that he has to

:25:36. > :25:39.overcome those challenges and his challenge here is really too sore

:25:40. > :25:46.and inspire and show people that he can be presidential and be a

:25:47. > :25:50.commander-in-chief and to lead. Thank you very much indeed. It will

:25:51. > :25:51.be very interesting in the few hours ahead.

:25:52. > :25:54.Don't forget you can get in touch with me on Twitter,

:25:55. > :26:03.website and a lot more details. Very difficult day here in the Newton

:26:04. > :26:06.Abbot I hope you are having a good day ever you are.