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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage Mr Frankie Boyle! | 0:00:00 | 0:00:04 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
Hello and welcome to the Referendum Autopsy. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
After months of campaigning and conflict, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
we finally know the answer to whether Scotland wants to be | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
a free and independent country | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
and that answer is no. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Now, a polarising referendum is a tricky thing to cover, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
but at least the BBC are proving they're open to full and frank | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
debate by showing this programme after the election | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
on iPlayer only. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Not that the BBC is incapable of presenting Scotland accurately. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
Doctor Who is Scottish and it's difficult to think of a more | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
archetypal Scottish character - an old man armed with a screwdriver, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
dragging young women into a phone box. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
"They call me The Doctor! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
"I'm taking you back to the 1970s." | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
I think that what Scotland needs to do now | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
is put England on the back foot, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
do something that the English won't expect | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
and the last thing they expect is for us to become an Islamic caliphate. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
IS - Independent Scotland. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Of course, we need to learn how to treat women slightly better, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
but we can change. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
If you feel offended by anything in the show, feel free to | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
tweet your outrage on a mobile phone made by a 10-year-old in China. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
David Cameron kicked things off | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
by saying Scotland's "silent majority" must step forward. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
I've never met a silent Scottish person in my life. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
In fact, the only time I've ever seen a Scottish guy go silent is | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
when he's just been told the price of a pint by a London barman. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
I think if we'd currency, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
it should have been called "legal tender, you prick". | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
Quite a few bizarre celebrities got involved - | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
June Sarpong spoke up for the No campaign, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
because I often ask myself what would June Sarpong do... | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
..in any political quandary? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
June Sarpong is the name that people at Google type in | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
to check if it's working. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
On the day of the vote, Andy Murray came out in favour of Yes. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
Andy Murray is worth £100 million. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
If I was worth £100 million, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
I would never play tennis again. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
I'd turn up to my next match dressed as a pirate, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
roll my cock out on the baseline | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
and make Hawkeye take a picture. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
At least Scotland can now get back to doing what it does best - | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
if only we could work out what that is. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
All we know is, it's not football or parenting. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Say what you like about Alex Salmond, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
he showed us all what an independent future might look like. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
And also, what a frog's come face might look like. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Now, you're probably wondering what the show will be like. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Well, I'll be speaking about the referendum | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
with some guests for some of it, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
then I'll say some things that I believe in, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
people will come on to disagree, we'll kick it around a bit | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and eventually, the audience will vote on whether I'm right or wrong. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Before you know it, the show will be over. Ten years will go by. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
You'll get married, have kids. The kids will grow up and leave. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
You'll be happy. But will any of it be real? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
How do you know that any of it is really happening? | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
One night, you'll plunge your hand into a fire, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
just so you can feel something and draw back a black and burning stump. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
As you die, screaming on your own kitchen floor, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
you'll look into the eyes of God, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
who will scream obscenities at you in Arabic. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
God will crumple you up and throw you into an eternal, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
fiery hell as you or I would throw | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
a wanked-on sock into a neighbour's garden. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
But that's all for later! For now, let's get on with the show! | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Now, because many people consider me a cunt, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
the BBC... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Don't clap! | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
WHOOPING | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
The BBC have decided that I can't be trusted on my own | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
and have insisted that I'm joined by a couple of guests | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
to make sure I don't go too far. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
Arguing against me tonight, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
please welcome Sara Pascoe and Katherine Ryan. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Hello. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
Hi. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
Welcome, thanks for coming. Have you been following the referendum? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Yes. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
- Enjoy it? - It was entertaining. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
I know it wasn't just for entertainment purposes... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
It was quite serious. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
I suppose if it's not your life being ruined... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
..there were quite a few laughs to be had! | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I would have been really sad if Scotland had gone, but if I was | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Scottish, that wouldn't necessarily have been the way I'd have voted. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
But would you have been quite sad sort of in the way that if people | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
had told you they weren't making Starburst any more? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Are they not making Starburst any more? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
No, they're still making Starburst. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
You brought me here to tell me that? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
What a weird way to break it to you. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
What happened in the Quebec referendum? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
A similar thing, wasn't it? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
It looked like the Yes campaign took a lead | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
and then it all just fizzled out. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
Well, Canadians went about it in a very different way. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
The Yes vote was far ahead and we had a PM at the time, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Jean Chretien. Nobody liked him, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
he was as unpopular in Quebec as David Cameron is in Glasgow. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
We didn't send politicians to Quebec. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
We lowered air fares - well, it wasn't me - | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
someone lowered air fares | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
and Canadians themselves did this pilgrimage | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
right before the referendum and the people really said, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
"We appreciate your Francophone culture and we want you to stay." | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
It was more of a... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
thing of the people. They did stay. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
Has anyone ever made a film of that? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
Cos if they cast that with dogs, it would be amazing. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
You know, like sometimes they have those adventure films? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
- Yeah. - Where dogs travel over mountains? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It would be like that, but with also politics. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I think most films would be better with dogs. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
- Yes. I agree. - Anyway. Er... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
We asked you, in a sort of spirit of show and tell, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
to bring in your favourite moment from the referendum. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
- What did you choose, Sara? - I picked an amazing YouTube clip... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
I would title it "the most persistent heckler in the world". | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
This is about five days before the vote. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
It's all the Labour MPs arriving in Glasgow with their luggage. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
- Can we watch it? - Yes. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Yep. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
Our imperial masters have arrived! | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Welcome, our imperial masters! | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Welcome to Scotland! | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
This is your imperial masters. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
The Labour Party have come so you can bow down before them. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
SINGS EMPIRE STRIKES BACK THEME TUNE | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Bow down, everybody! | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
What I love about it... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
I keep watching it, it's had about 500,000 views, most of them me, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
but what I really love is the idea that he probably does this | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
every day, just around the street, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and he just turned a corner and the timing was perfect and suddenly... | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
he stopped being a lunatic and became this amazing satirist! | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
Normally, he's just following his ex-girlfriend | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
and creating some real social problems. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
I don't think he's ever had a girlfriend. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
That would have been a nightmare train to be on, that Labour train. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
That would have been the busiest first-class to Scotland ever. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Normally, it's just me and Duncan Bannatyne. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Katherine, did you bring anything in? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Yes. I really enjoyed Alex Salmond | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
and there were some interesting press shots taken of this gentleman | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
throughout the campaign. I think we should take a look at some of them. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
OK. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
I'm not sure what tree that is - I THINK it's a yew tree... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
He's quite unselfconscious. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
David Cameron wouldn't give you a bite of his Solero. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Well, if he did, he wouldn't have his jacket just slung | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
over his shoulder in a jaunty pose. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
I don't think anyone would. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Next, here is Alex Salmond embracing. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
You know, he's a man of the ladies. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
It's a firm grasp he's got on her, as well. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
She might fertilise his fish eggs. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Don't worry, I'd say that | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
if David Cameron looks like the kind of man who'd strangle women, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Alex Salmond looks like the guy he'd hire to bury them after. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Next one? | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
That's made my cock retreat so far into my body, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
I need to tie a string around it and pull it out like a wobbly tooth. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Now, it's not just Katherine | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
and Sara I have to argue with tonight - I have an entire room | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
full of people to bitterly disagree with - my studio audience. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Tonight, they have all the power, as at the end of each debate, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
they'll be deciding whether I'm right or wrong in a formatting decision | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
I may well end up regretting. On with the show. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Tonight, I'll be making three propositions. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
First up - the No campaign relied heavily on the use of fear | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
to convince people to vote No, which brings me to this proposition. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
The mainstream media are a bunch of lying bastards. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
The scare stories seem to have worked. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
The No campaign managed to make people afraid of uncertainty, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
an incredible achievement in Scotland | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
when you're dealing with people who wake up every second Saturday | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
uncertain of where they are and their HIV status. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
But the basic proposition here is this - | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
the press and the big TV channels threw everything at this, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
abandoned any pretence of impartiality and it worked. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Much of the campaign focused on negativity and fear. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Do you think I'm being unfair to the media? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
I think lying is a very strong word in terms of the media. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
I think sometimes we can be a bit adolescent | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
in our approach to things, guys. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
The media itself, by calling it one thing, it's like saying, "the man". | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Trying to fight something that's cohesive - well, it's not. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
It's lots of individuals who have different agendas. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
I don't think there are people who sit down and intentionally... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
I think people try to entertain and sell papers, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
but I don't think they intentionally go, "I'm going to mislead people." | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
If you asked journalists, they would say it'd be unethical | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
if we didn't warn people of the effects of what could happen. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
They don't want to make it easy for you. The media. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
It's like a puzzle - they'll give you little clues | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and you've got to do some of the work. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Like when they say, "Emma Watson - hot ass, nude photos", what they're | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
really saying is, "Oh, she's giving a UN speech about gender equality." | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Then they say, "Oh, girl goes missing!" | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
What they're really saying is, "White girl goes missing." | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
Yeah. Well, some people saw the media's true priorities | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
when channels like Sky News, that had led with a story about someone | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
getting hit with an egg, laughed off a near riot in George Square. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
Mark White is in George Square in Glasgow | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
where a pro-union crowd has gathered | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
and let's say there's been a little ballot box leftovers going on there, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
which the police are having to handle. Tell us more, Mark. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Yes, for the most part, it's been fairly good humoured. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
It's certainly been boisterous and there's been a lot of singing | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
- and chanting... - Fuck her in the pussy! | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
And as you can hear... | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
there are still one or two people in fine voice... | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Well, there you go. Anyway... | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
There you go. That's his... | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
His face said, occasionally, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
people will scream "fuck her in the pussy" in your ear. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
That guy didn't even get off his phone. "No, not you, Dad. Not you." | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Of course, a big factor in the campaign | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
was the use of social media. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
The Yes campaign dominated Twitter, but the problem is there's | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
so much noise on there, it's hard to take anything constructive out of it. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
No matter what you say about the referendum, you'll get abuse. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
You couldn't say anything. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
That's how you can tell how sensitive and important an issue it is, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
by how many times someone calls you a fat lesbian whore. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
Yeah, I got a few of those. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
It shows you how mainstream these people are, as well, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
because JK Rowling was a massive voice. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
"Oh, JK Rowling thinks this." | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
It's almost as if being a billionaire | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and feeling that the status quo is pretty good go hand-in-hand. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
"I see you're all eating from food banks - well, personally | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
"I'm sitting on top of a mountain of children's pocket money... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
"..like a dragon in a fucking fairy story... | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
"..and everything looks fine from up here. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
"Maybe you could teach your children to quack in the street | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
"on the off-chance that blind people will throw them bread?" | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
The press in particular embraced the use of fear | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
to scare Scots into voting No. During the campaign, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
the papers featured some fairly sensational headlines. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
Let's have a look. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Banks will leave Scotland if the independence vote is Yes. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
This is the Royal Bank of Scotland who were bailed out to the tune of | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
billions of pounds and still chain disposable pens to the fucking desk. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
They aren't even really a bank, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
because a bank is something that keeps money. They're not a bank! | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
My kid got a tenner from his granny at Christmas. He's still got it. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
He's a better bank than the Royal Bank of Scotland. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Statistically, my couch is a better bank. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Scottish face losing multimillion pound artworks... | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Send those back to England. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
"Did this Turner originally have a giant Tipp-Ex cock on it?" | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
"Yes." | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
And why independence could put Scotland | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
in danger of Russian invasion. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
From Business Insider! | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Not even a totally mad newspaper, but a proper magazine! | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
It does make you worry they do know something! | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
I wonder what the game of Risk must be like in Russia? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
"Yes, get Scotland, that's vital. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
"Once you get Scotland, then you can get Greenland, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
"then you control the world's ice supply. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
"You control the penguins, you control everything!" | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
It's so obvious these headlines are made up and created to scare us - | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
why do we let newspapers get away with it? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
To discuss that, please welcome the former editor of The Scotsman | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and current professor of journalism | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
at the University of Kent, Tim Luckhurst. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
Thanks for coming on, Tim. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
Do you think there were scare stories, or...bias? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Newspapers are supposed to be biased, Frankie, that's what they're for. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Newspapers express opinions. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
If you want straight facts, you get them from broadcasters. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
In this country, we have a simple separation between newspapers, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
which are partisan, angry, political and they support a political stance. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
They have readers who know they support that stance. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Then we have broadcasters, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
that are there to tell a straight, objective, impartial story. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
I think the referendum reflected that perfectly. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
The newspapers were angry and they were biased | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
and they were polemical and the broadcasters told the truth. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
- We're very lucky, we get both. - OK. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Well, we had in Scotland 45% of people voting Yes and they had | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
one paper that represented them, which was the Sunday Herald, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
which isn't even owned by a Scottish company. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
So the majority of the Scottish media didn't represent | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
45% of the population, would be an obvious point. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Actually, your argument is wrong. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Yes, the Sunday Herald was pro independence, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
but the Guardian, which is widely influential | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
and more read by broadcasters, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
more likely to set the news agenda in Scotland than any other paper, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
sadly even more than The Scotsman, that I used to edit. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
The simple truth is that the Guardian advanced the argument | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
that independence was the progressive solution for Scotland. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
What I'd say to you, Tim, if you're saying I'm wrong, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
is that the Guardian isn't a Scottish paper and it said to vote No. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
That seems a strange argument to make! | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
Its final leader said to vote No, but its correspondents | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
and columnists made a very passionate argument. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
It allowed some columnists to say yes. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
It didn't allow them, it encouraged them to. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
The media isn't all one thing, admittedly. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
It's not all one thing and they all have slightly different agendas, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
but overall, it's a very similar agenda. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
There's another point here, and it's crucially important. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Throughout this campaign in which you're complaining that biased | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
newspapers persuaded Scots not to vote for independence, actually, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
support for independence grew and I think that's for a crucial reason. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
It's because newspapers don't create public opinion, they follow it. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
These newspapers in Scotland supported No | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
because they thought the majority of the population supported No. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
If you want to see examples... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Tim, 45% of them didn't support No and weren't reflected in any way. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
They got the Sunday Herald, that was all they got. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
They got a lot of online campaigning... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
We know there's online, people can be different. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
The reason online campaigning is different is | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
because it's not owned by different... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
Rupert Murdoch, Trinity Mirror, it's owned by the people | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
themselves on Twitter sites and Facebook sites or whatever. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
It's a question of plurality, isn't it? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
Well, we have plurality of the media in this country. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
We have laws which require there to be plurality of mainstream | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
newspaper ownership and broadcast ownership. I repeat... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
They're not very good laws, because Rupert Murdoch owns half of it. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
- He doesn't own half of it! - He owns far too much of it. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
It's an absolute nonsense to suggest that they are all | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
owned by a few big, expensive external foreign owners. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
You're trying to suggest I'm giving some kind of outrageous, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
left-field opinion. You know it's a perfectly mainstream opinion. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
And you should know headlines are like punch lines. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
They're meant to entertain. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
I've got one more headline from the campaign we showed to you. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
Can we just have a wee look at it | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
and ask ourselves how they reached this shocking conclusion? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
I was going to say not from a crazy newspaper, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
but it is from the Scottish Daily Mail. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Do you want me to explain it to you? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
I know what the headline is. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
The headline is actually about cyber-attacks on Scotland, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
which are as unlikely as alien invasion, I would have argued. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
No, cyber-attacks on the security infrastructure of the United Kingdom | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
happen all the time, many of them | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
run by the People's Republic of China. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
FRANKIE LAUGHS | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
Yeah, I can see why China would want | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
to take down an independent Scotland's computer network. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
- No, that wasn't the point... - "What's the password?" | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
"Englisharecunts1". "There we go! Got it!" | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
You'd be a great headline writer. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
You'd be a brilliant headline writer. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
Because you understand the point. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
The headline's to make you read the rest of the story. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
As an expert in brilliant sensation, you ought to understand | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
the value of a decent headline, and I'm not going to explain | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
the value of a headline to a man who writes such great punch lines, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
I'm really not. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
Tim... OK, you're on shaky ground there. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Tim, thanks for joining us and giving us the journalist's point of view. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
- Thank you, Tim. - Pleasure. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
I'm in no way convinced that the papers are to be trusted, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
but it's down to my studio audience to see if they agree with me or not. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
I don't want to influence the vote, but the death rate | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
among studio audiences who disagree with me is surprisingly high. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
If you agree with me that the mainstream press | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
can't be trusted, it's green. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
If you think you can believe them, it's red. Please vote now. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
It is quite clearly about as green as could be. So there we have it. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
Our audience realise I'm right | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
and the mainstream media are lying bastards. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
Now, one of the most remarkable aspects of the Scottish referendum | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
was the way that young people engaged with the debate about their future, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
and the fact that for the first time, the voting age was lowered to 16. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Well, my next proposition is this: | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
As soon as you can make a mark with a crayon, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
you know as much as the average voter, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
so the voting age should be lowered to two. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
And a lot of people think that that's a ridiculous suggestion, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
because a lot of Scottish two-year-olds are too drunk to vote. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
But... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:46 | |
By the time you've reached my age in life, you're honestly spent, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
your life force is spent. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
I am 42 and I now ejaculate | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
with all the force of Mary Berry's icing piper. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Let young people have a go at it. It'll work out. What do you think? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
I think you're being very silly. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
- You talk to me like a two-year-old! - Yes. Because this is the thing. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
So, you know in terms of the development of consciousness? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
So they say the difference between an animal, a mammal, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
and a human baby is that if an 18-month-old baby is in a room | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
and you roll a ball in, they look to where the ball is going. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
This is what pets do, cats and dogs. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
But at about two years old, the baby starts to look for | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
where the ball came from. So why aren't we letting cats vote? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
I think... I think that's not the worst idea, right? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
They've got a very different agenda. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Statistically, cats are going to break into 50-50. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Right? Also, two-year-olds will probably be 50-50. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Then when kids are sort of seven to 12, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
they'll do what their parents tell them. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
When kids are 12 to 18, they'll do the opposite | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
of what their parents tell them, and that will break down 50-50. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Statistically, we might as well have everything vote - | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
hawks... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
deer... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
But if it's all 50-50, then why have a vote? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Why not? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
Just get rid of elections. Have a dictator. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Can you think how much fun it would be making a hawk vote? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
We've got two million unemployed in Britain, and how many hawks? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
You want them to eat the unemployed? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
No, no, no! | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
What if... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
The unemployed will work on hawk voting systems. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Oh, OK. LAUGHTER | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
If we were to lower the voting age to two, it would mean | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
politicians would have to bond with voters at an even younger age, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
which means we could end up with more terrible moments like this, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
from Michael Gove. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
You've recently said that you quite like rap music. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
So I was wondering, could you give us a taster of your favourite rap? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
Oh... | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
Well I've got so many, but the first rap I probably heard | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
when I was younger was actually quite a vanilla rap, which was | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
the Wham Rap, you know, with Andrew Ridgeley and George Michael? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
(RAPS) Hey, everybody, take a look at me | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
I've got street credibility | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
I may not have a job, but I have a good time | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
with the boys I meet down on the line. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Erm... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
THEY GROAN | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
I think the weird thing there is that he'll have asked her to ask him that. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
That will be set up. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
It's like the sort of thing I'd do to my mum as a kid. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
"Ask me to do a rap!" "No." "Ask me to do a rap!" | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
And then I'd have done the Wham Rap, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
completely unaware of its homosexual subtext. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Can politicians ever be cool, or ever just not quite painful? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
I think Tony Benn was really cool. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
- He was cool, wasn't he? - Yeah. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
We had a politician in Toronto on a different level of cool, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
that smoked crack. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
- Similar, but different. - Oh, those guys smoke crack. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Do you know, smoking crack is one of the least offensive things | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Rob Ford has ever done. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
Hates gays, hates women, hates immigrants. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
A general asshole. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
Does he chill out when he's high, though? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
No, it hypes him up! And he goes out on drug runs. But he's so large. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
How can you be that fat on crack? He's terrible at doing crack. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
I think a two-year-old is definitely as capable of critical thought | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
as this group of eloquent Rangers fans. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Can I ask you, sir? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
# You can stick your independence up your arse | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
# You can stick your independence up your arse | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
# You can stick your independence | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
# Stick your independence | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
# Stick your independence up your arse. # | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
Rule Britannia, ya fucking bastards! | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Rule fucking Britannia! | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
- We rule the fucking waves! - Calm down. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
- Hey... - # We are the people... # | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
It'll happen anyway. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
# We are the people... # | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
That version of Rule Britannia is why | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Last Night of the Proms never comes from Scotland. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
"And now, with a performance of Rule Britannia, Ya Fucking Bastards..." | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
There was a lot of support for No, actually, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
on both sides of the Old Firm divide, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
because the SNP brought in an anti-sectarian law, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
so there's people going, "They took away our right to mutual hatred!" | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
"Stand with me, brother!" | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
They actually bonded over that. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Now, we're here discussing | 0:25:11 | 0:25:12 | |
whether kids should be allowed to vote or not, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
so why don't we meet one? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
Please welcome an eight-year-old and wee guy, Leon. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
Take them off, now, Leon. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
- How are you doing, man? - Fine. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
You're eight? You're an eight-year-old Scottish boy. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
What did you think of the referendum? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
What would you say happened last week, in your own words? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Well... | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
There was a lot of fighting. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Did you get involved in any of it? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
- Nah. -It's no good, is it? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
So, the Yes vote lost. People decided to stay part of Britain. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Were you happy about that? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
No? Awww! | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
- That's heartbreaking. - This is the saddest I've been. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Were you always Yes, or did you start at No, or...? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
Well, I started No, and then I changed to Yes. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
Cool. What made you change your mind? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
Well, when I heard you were Yes. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
Did you find the referendum more or less boring than school? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Less boring than school. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:28 | |
It's less boring than school, isn't it? Everything is. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Do you get punished at school? Are you a bad kid or a good kid? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Bad. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
That's why you cared about my opinion! Do you know what I mean? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
You have this thing as a dad, right, because I've got kids, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
where you're supposed to stay positive with your kids | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
when you tell them off, don't be too negative, you know, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
try and keep it light. But sometimes, I'm just standing there thinking, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
"I don't see anything positive about this. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
"You have done a poo on my carpet... | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
"..and I am struggling to find an upside." | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Do you know how I punish my son? | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
I tuck his bedclothes in really tight and hope that he has a nightmare | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
where he's trapped in a giant's pocket. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Why do your parents do if you're bad, then? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Eh... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:15 | |
Pull my ear. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
Pull your ear?! | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
What?! | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
Stay here, Leon, you're going home with me! | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
What are you into, what kind of stuff do you like? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
- Football. - Football? Who do you support? | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
- Arsenal. - Arsenal?! | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
That's just how we've been colonised! | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
Do you have a Scottish team, a wee team? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
- Celtic. - Celtic(!) | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Celtic's his wee team. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
You've effectively managed to insult everybody in Glasgow. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
And what do you think the future holds for us? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Do you think it'll be good, do you think it'll be bad...? | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
Hmmm... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
In the middle, probably. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
Yeah, it probably will be in the middle. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
What's your favourite thing about being Scottish? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Em... | 0:28:01 | 0:28:02 | |
- Shortbread. - Shortbread? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, please thank Leon. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Cheers. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
CHEERING | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
Audience, you've heard the arguments. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
It's time for you to decide if I'm right or wrong. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
It's green for yes, and red for no. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Should a two-year-old be given the right to vote? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
So that is a no. A very firm no. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
By a bunch of childless bastards! | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Now, it's time to talk to the audience. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
I hate talking to people that I don't know | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
almost as much as I hate talking to people that I do know. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
To me, there's no such thing as a stranger, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
just a prick I haven't met yet. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
Before the show, we asked everyone in our audience to fill out | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
a questionnaire to learn more about their opinions on the referendum, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Scotland, what makes them tick, all that stuff. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Where's Marie Hamill? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
- How are you doing, Marie? - I'm OK, how are you? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
I'm very good, actually. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
But I'm kind of busy working here. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
All right, I'll... | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
We asked you which celebrity would make the best Prime Minister, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
and you said Stephen Fry. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Yeah, I know it's a bit cliche, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
but he just seems really well informed, and quite balanced as well. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
Plus, he'd do a lot for the gay community. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
He doesn't seem well balanced. He's bipolar. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
When he's on his meds. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:30 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
But that's... | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
You would have a depressed Prime Minister | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
on a ferry to Belgium with the nuclear codes. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
You said the worst thing about being Scottish | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
was that we're overly hospitable. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Fuck off. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
A pleasure to meet you. Where is Gordon Houston? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
Gordon, how are you doing, mate? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
- Hello. - You all right? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:56 | |
We asked you which celebrity | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
would you like to be stranded on a desert island with. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
- You did. - I did? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
- You did ask me that. - Yes, OK. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
Have you heard of rhetorical questions, Gordon? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
Don't answer that! | 0:30:11 | 0:30:12 | |
You said you'd like to be stranded on a desert island with the Dalai Lama. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
He is the last person I would want to fuck, but you... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
What were you thinking there? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
Did you think that if you killed him often enough | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
he might come back as a roast dinner, or...? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
I think it was more a Tantric thing, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
- maybe, going on. - FRANKIE: Tantric? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
SARA: Yeah, I heard he can last! | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
FRANKIE LAUGHS | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
What, are you genuinely gay for the Dalai Lama? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Well, you get all sorts in Scotland, don't you? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Once you float down to iPlayer, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
you really start to meet people, don't you? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
Thank you, Gordon. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
We also have tattooist Andrew Burns. Andrew, where are you? | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
How are you doing, Andrew? I knew it was you from your tattoos. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
- Yeah, could you tell? - Yeah, I'm faking it. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
- How are you doing, man? - All right. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
I hear you offered a special offer on Yes tattoos. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Yeah, I offered free Yes tattoos on...for a whole day. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
Are you offering free tattoo removal? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
No. We do tattoo removal, but you need to pay for that! | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
Yeah, I see how your business works! | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
We asked you what do you think is Scotland's greatest achievement. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
And you said...Grand Theft Auto. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Prostitute murders, robbery, drug dealing. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
Where does that Dundee-based games company gets its ideas from? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
LAUGHTER I simply don't know! | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Thank you to my audience! | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Now, it's been a long two years reaching last week's verdict | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and it's been a divisive and emotional campaign, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
but at least we can all agree on something - my next proposition. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
"Scotland and England's relationship | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
"is a pitiless abyss of hatred and despair." | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
We don't need English culture. Scotland has its own culture. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
England has Glastonbury, we have T In The Park | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
where people get glassed and buried all the time. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Ed Miliband threatened to station guards at the border. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
A militarised border! | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Newcastle could have become a refugee camp | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
for English people trying to escape. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Newcastle would be the first place to become a refugee camp | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
and get LESS mental. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
GEORDIE ACCENT: Things are a lot more civilised | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
now that we're ruled over by a horse militia. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
Do you feel Scottish and English people hate each other? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
I've been very surprised doing gigs because obviously you open... | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
Especially the whole kind of week leading up to referendum, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
you open by going, "Oh, so this has been going on in Scotland," | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
and just the four days before the vote, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
English audiences suddenly got really angry. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Suddenly just sort of like, "Well, eff them, then, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
"let them go, see what happens. Yeah, see if I care." | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Their feelings were so hurt because so many people just feel British. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
I think that we have more in common than you think | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
because the Scottish hate the English, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
the English hate themselves | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
and everybody hates U2. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
If we could just find those things and bond over them... | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I mean, I don't believe... | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
I'm Canadian, but I'm a British mum | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and I think it's really important that my daughter grows up | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
with Scottish influences, Irish influences, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
you know, Wales to a lesser extent. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Well, this broken relationship continued | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
when the referendum coverage featured the most baffled Englishman | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
reporting on a Scotland he couldn't hope to understand. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Channel 4 went for Jacob Rees-Mogg. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
- What's it a' aboot? - We'll just be a new country. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
We'll be wir ain country noo, we'll be able to run... | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
No, I voted No and he helped me cos he hadnae voted. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
I just wanted tae... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Yeah, I just want tae be part of the UK. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
We've been like this a' wir time, eh? | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Well, we would miss you if you went. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
What's the big difference between...? | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
What is the difference between independence? What is it a' aboot? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
We be wir ain country and be able to run it and that. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
What is independence? What is it? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
- I don't even... - It's being part of the UK. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
There's Wales, Scotland and England... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
What, they're trying to change the money and a'thing? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
And the currency, they'll change the currency. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
- So, what will our money change to? - Oh, I don't know. I don't know. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
That will have to be decided after... | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Naw, I... So, independence, you dinnae want that to happen? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
Naw, I don't. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:27 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
ENGLISH ACCENT: Today I met two of the Scottish natives. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
They were drinking a clear liquid of which I partook. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
The next 48 hours were a blur of bestial imagery | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
and invented language. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
I awoke in the doorway of HSBC, wearing somebody else's trousers. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
On my return I shall present my findings to the Royal Society. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Well, like many relationships on the rocks, it was only when one half | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
threatened to walk out the door that the other began to take it seriously. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Westminster spent most of the campaign in denial, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
but when things got serious, their reaction was one of panic. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Here's a cringeworthy attempt by David Cameron to bond with the Scots. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
REPORTER: David Cameron spoke to workers | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
in Edinburgh's financial district in a way he's never spoken before. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
I think people can feel it's a bit like a general election, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
that you make a decision and five years later | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
you can make another decision. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
If you are fed up with the effing Tories, give them a kick | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
and then maybe we'll think again. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
You know, this is totally different to a general election. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
What gets me about that | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
is he's clearly workshopped that with the guys at the office. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
"Shall I say effing?" | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
"Oh, yeah, that'll get them. Yeah, we'll say effing. Yeah." | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
"You all want to give the effing Tories a kicking, I know that. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
"I understand you people. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
"You'd like to give me an effing kicking, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
"tear me a new A, and S in my mouth." | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
"You'd like to tear off my B-bag and feed it to an Alsatian. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
"I know. I get it. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
"You'd like to tie some cheese wire round my D, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
"tie it to the back of a taxi and floor it." | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
Do you think Cameron came out of it at all well? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
He sort of came out of it better than Miliband. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
In a way maybe it did work because it was an awful speech | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
and it's very uncomfortable to see him use language | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
that isn't comfortable in his mouth, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:20 | |
but you did watch it, thinking, "OK, yeah, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
"let's stay unified and get rid of this government together." | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
Some people maybe did think that. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
And replace it with what - | 0:36:28 | 0:36:29 | |
Ed Miliband, the kind of adenoidal manta ray? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
He's like a kind of dog toy. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Now time for the audience to vote. Do you agree with me | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
that Scotland and England's relationship | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
is a pitiless abyss of hatred and despair? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Green for yes, red for no. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
SARA: Oh, no! | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
It's almost entirely green, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
but then I'm biased. It's... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
FRANKIE LAUGHS It's largely green. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
A yes vote there. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
Scottish people agree with me, as do a few English people | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
who just didn't understand what the fuck I was saying. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
Well, that's the end of our Referendum Autopsy. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Thanks to my guests, Katherine Ryan and Sara Pascoe. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
But before I go, I want to leave you with this thought, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
a little final thought in the style of Jerry Springer or He-Man. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I don't know if you're... LAUGHTER | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
Of course, the only way we can tell | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
if this show has truly been a success or not | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
is to wait and see whether I am silenced by the security services. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
That's the only way you know you've really hit the nail on the head | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
as a comedian - you are silenced by the security services, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
so if I am found hanged on the back of a hotel door, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
with an orange in my mouth, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
at least you'll know the security services didn't get to me. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
What will happen is that one day I will go out, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
like Robin Cook or Dr David Kelly, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I'll go to meet a friend for a walk in the countryside, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
but when I get to the top of the hill, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
it won't be my friend waiting for me, it will be a sergeant major, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
formerly of the Special Boat Squadron. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
We will both know that my time is up. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
I'll ask him for a final cigarette and he will bring out two, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
one for me and one for him. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
I'll ask him if I can have a final wank as well. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
He will explain that my DNA would go everywhere and contaminate the scene, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
so he will have brought a roll of lino for me to wank onto. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
I'll be wanking onto the lino | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
and I'll ask him to stop looking at me and... | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
..he'll tell me that it's OK, he can't see me, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
all he can see is his mate, upside down and burning in a Land Rover. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
That's all he ever sees, even when he closes his eyes. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
He will ask me to hurry up because he has to | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
go and silence Russell Brand in a minute. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
In the corner of my eye, I'll see him laying out Paul Ross's corpse | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
to make it look like we died in a gay suicide pact. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
I'll look down on the Scottish glen below me | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and briefly imagine that the furious pumping of my fist | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
is what powers the turning of the entire world, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
then I'll feel a needle in the back of my neck | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
and suddenly I'll be in the bosom of a Buddha who despises me. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
The chances of this show being made into a series are six to one against. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Thanks for coming and good night. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 |