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So what's your very best memory of Gene? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Standing in the Third Street Studios | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
with the rest of us singing Tambourine Man | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
and watching Bob Dylan's face light up | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
as he realised what was going to happen next in the world | 0:00:31 | 0:00:38 | |
and what he was going to do next. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Watching Gene do it right in front of him. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
It was like the birth of a new nation, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
I mean, it was a whole birthing of a new sound, a new genre of music. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
Very, very exciting, no-one had ever heard anything like him before. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
It was just like some kind of incredible, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
beautiful Earth music that this guy made and...nobody else | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
that makes that sound, nobody else has that kind of ethereal quality. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
You could not be there and listen to him and listen to the lyrical content | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
of his music and not understand that you were listening to a genius. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
I think he is legitimately at least the equal to, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
at least the equal to Gram Parsons | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
and should be better remembered as the father of Americana. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
It should have happened. He should have been bigger. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
He sang from his heart and he had great songs. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Why didn't it work? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
That's the question. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:51 | |
How important was Gene to The Byrds? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
He was crucial, central, essential... | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
..heart and soul. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
He inspired me and he inspired David and Roger, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
he was an incredible writer. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
I watched him go from sort of an | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
innocent country boy to road-weary | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and just tired of it all. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
He never felt that elation or that inspiration, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
he never had the peace of all those incredible things he wrote. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
How is it possible someone like that who was so talented, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
so good-looking, such a great singer, could get into such a mess? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
But if anyone had a star written on their passport, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
it was Gene Clark. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Sometimes you're ahead of your time, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
that kind of genius is always pretty much ahead of his time. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
# When I was a young boy | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
# Evening sun went down... # | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
It was a country environment. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
He had, like, Gene's parents' home, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
it was back in Swope Park. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
And you had to drive up a long driveway to see their house, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
which was very, very tiny, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
with that many children - they had 13 boys and girls. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
The only utility to that house was a... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
..110... 110 volt electrical wire. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
There was no plumbing, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
there was no heat other than coal and wood burning stoves. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
In a sense, very austere, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
as far as material values and things like that. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
Most of what we did, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
we did ourselves. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
We had some chickens, we had cows, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
we had...we did our milking, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
we even did our meat butchering to a certain degree. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
We didn't know how poor we were. We had no idea. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
That was just our reality and until we started going to school | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
with some children that were much better off than we were, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
we didn't know we were deprived in any way at all, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
and there were all the play times in the woods, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
that was good times. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
We'd just get away from everything, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
and get out in the woods and use our imaginations | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
to create whatever we wanted to. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
# Hours of joy when I was just a boy | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
# And never wrong I knew | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
# Kites of red would fly above my head | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
# The birds would sing their song... # | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
We actually grew up with a wide, wide range of music | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
that we'd listen to. We'd listen to, of course, the Grand Ole Opry, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
that was a staple and I was the one that brought rock into the house, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
because I started listening to WREN out of Topeka, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
which was the only rock station in the area at that time. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Any it was kind of iffy to get that, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
you had to tilt the radio just the right way. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Gene really picked it up from his father. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
And that's how he learnt, more or less, on his father's guitar. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
And they sat on the porch and they sang old songs. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
I think that that got Gene's interest. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
The first thing I ever saw him pick up and play was a mandolin. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
I think it was because of his age and its size, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
maybe because of the fit. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
And he was always on the bed playing the guitar and writing songs | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
and he probably wrote 30, 40 songs | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
that I don't know where they're at today, but... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
When you tried to talk to Gene while he was trying to think, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
he was hard to get to. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
# Oh, my love | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
# Come on to me... # | 0:06:50 | 0:06:58 | |
I recorded my first record, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
single record, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
when I was 14 years old. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
It was called Blue Ribbon, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
and I recorded it with | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
Joe Myers and The Sharks. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
That was the main band that I had in high school. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
They would start to play at the Coke Bar and it was jam-packed, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
just because they were so good. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
I knew he wanted to make it his life. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
I mean, I didn't know that it would go on to be the, you know, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:27 | |
the big music carrier. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
I saw him more maybe as a country star. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Maybe just, you know, where he started out - doing school dances | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
and playing in some bars and things like that. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
And I think that he would have been comfortable with that life. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
I think that stardom took him unaware, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
and I don't think he was prepared for it. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
# ..trade those ribbons | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
# For a love that is true. # | 0:07:54 | 0:08:02 | |
'I'm very pleased to welcome to the Hootenanny Show for the first time, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
'The New Christy Minstrels.' | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
# Green, green, it's green, they say On the far side of the hill | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
# Green, green, I'm going away To where the grass is greener still | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
# Well, now, I told my mama on the day I was born | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
# Don't you cry when you see I'm gone... # | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
# And there ain't no woman gonna settle me down | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
# I just gotta be travelling on... # | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Everybody, come on! | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
# Green, green, it's green they say... # | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Back in '63, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
The New Christy Minstrels | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
were riding this crest of success and popularity. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
It was a wonderful ride for all of us. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
We were recognisable in the street, in restaurants and stuff like that. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
It was a very heady, you know, wonderful experience. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
We were performing in Kansas City and one night, Nick Woods | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
came back into the hotel and said, "You come with me, come with me." | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
And so, Randy and I went with him to this little club, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Randy Sparks was the founder and director of the group, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and he said, "You've got to see this guy, you've got to see this guy." | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
So we went to see and, you know, there he was, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Gene Clark was singing with this, I think it was a trio, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
it might have been a quartet, but I think it was a trio. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
# Well, I hope to tell you, Johnny That I lay that rifle down... # | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
I still remember the song he was singing. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
It was...cos it just so indelibly imprinted itself into me, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
he was...so intense, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
and he had this great look | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
and this real piercing countenance, you know, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
and when he sang, he really sang the songs and we went, "Wow!" | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
And we were looking for a replacement in the Christies | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
and we had all just said, "He's the guy, if he'll come with us." | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
He made up his mind immediately, you know, what an opportunity! | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
So he went with The Christy Minstrels and did good. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:12 | |
Mum was beside herself, I mean, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
she just broke down and shook like a leaf and everything else, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
she was so afraid of all kinds of things, you know. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
And some of her worst fears did eventually come true. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
# The cabin door was standing open | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
# On that wild and lonely night | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
# And the hound dog, he lay a-dyin' | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
# In the gloomy candlelight... # | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
'He wasn't with the Minstrels that long...' | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Thank you. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
..but he certainly was a significant part of the group for me. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
At this time, we'd like to do a little song | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
about a very intelligent mule by the name of Billy. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
I don't know that The New Christy Minstrels music | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
was exactly what Gene wanted to do, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
because we did Randy Sparks' songs, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and Randy Sparks at the time was writing silly little ditties. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
They were fun... | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
-HE SINGS: -# Billy's mule can tow the wagon | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
# He can pull a plough | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
# He can figure 'rithmetic and milk a muley cow... # | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
That's not what Gene wanted to sing. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
# Billy's mule can tow the wagon He can pull a plough | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
# He can figure 'rithmetic and milk a muley cow | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
# There's a famous mule named Francis in the magazines I've read | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
# I mentioned him to Billy's mule This is what he said... # | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
'I think that was one of the reasons | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
'he was kind of standoffish in the Christy Minstrels,' | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
because we were all in-your-face egos | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
trying to outperform each other. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
He wasn't "egoically" driven, he was artistically driven. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
And I think that's what's the difference in the Minstrels, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
as an artist, he wanted to do art | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
and not just go out and sing louder than everybody else. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
He tried to present some of his material to them | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and, of course, their policy and stuff like was... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
that didn't work, you know. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
I think he came to the realisation, in the Christy Minstrels, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
that fame and fortune is not what he was after. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
I mean, it's OK, but that's not the carrot, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
the carrot is to be, to have a platform to paint your art | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
and I think the Christies was not that place for Gene. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
He needed a different outlet for his art. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
# Step by step Keep a-travellin' on | 0:12:38 | 0:12:44 | |
# Follow the drinking gourd | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
# Sleep in the hollow till the daylight is gone | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
# Follow | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
# The drinking gourd. # | 0:12:57 | 0:13:04 | |
I'd been inspired by The Beatles | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
to take old folk songs, like... | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
-HE SINGS: -# The water is wide I cannot cross over... # | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
And put a Beatle beat to it, like... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-HE SINGS: -# The water is wide I cannot cross... # | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
And I was doing that at The Troubadour | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
and most of the audience was not appreciating it, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
but Gene Clark did, he came backstage and he said, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
"I like what you're doing, let's write some songs." | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
So Gene and I sat down in the little front room of The Troubadour, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
where they sold picks and strings, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
a place called The Folk Den, and started writing songs. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
We were out in the hallway singing | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
something, David walked up and he started singing with us, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
it was totally magic and we knew it was there right then. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
They were playing guitars and... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
fooling with these songs that Gene had written. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
I was instantly attracted | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
to the songs. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
# The reason why | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
# Oh, I can say | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
# I had to let you go, babe | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
# And right away | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
# After what you did | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
# I can't stay on | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
# And I'll probably feel a whole lot better when you're gone... # | 0:14:31 | 0:14:38 | |
One of the reasons the music was good is he didn't know the rules... | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
at all. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
Knew nothing about it. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Figured out a chord on his own. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Figured out another chord, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
put these chords together and then made up the third, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
he hadn't a clue. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
It was very, very refreshing. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
It didn't take long, we'd been inspired by The Beatles, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
for us to realise we needed a bass player and a drummer | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
so that's when we got Chris Hillman and Michael Clarke | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
to play bass and drums. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Then we had the band. We had a band. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
THEY SING | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
We were as strange a band as I could have imagined because there | 0:15:26 | 0:15:32 | |
are no five more different human beings that I could possibly devise. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:39 | |
Completely different people. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Barely able to speak the same language. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
And yet, chemistry happened. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
And I think it was Gene, a lot, that made the chemistry happen. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
I ended up living with Gene and Michael Clarke. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
We had a tiny little house in Los Angeles. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
Just a little side on this. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Here we are, poor, and we're getting the band going. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:19 | |
We are starving and Gene | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
and I both were really passing bad cheques to get groceries. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
The minute we made it within six or eight months, we started to make it. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
We had a hit with Tambourine Man. We were working in clubs. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Gene Clark went back to the landlady and paid the back rent. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
I'll never forget that. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
The Byrds is here! | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
It was a tremendous change from being on the street. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Literally taking buses to rehearsal | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
and having one hamburger a day for our meals. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
To having a number one hit. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I remember we went to Columbia Records | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
and sat in the reception area. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
And the secretary didn't know who we were. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
And she was treating us officiously. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
And then she went back and found out we were Columbia's number one act, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
and, "Can I get you anything? Coffee?" | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
And I could feel the couch we were on go up like an elevator. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
It's like we went up 40 storeys. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
It was... | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
..a lot of fun at first. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
We were driving down Sunset Boulevard... | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
..in a '56 black Ford station wagon we had brought from Odetta. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
And the big rock radio station played it and then they played it again. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:41 | |
They played it two times in a row. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
And we pulled over and we were jumping up and down. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
We were completely freaked out. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Nobody had ever done that with a song before on the radio. Ever. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
People were talking about The Beatles and Dylan and The Byrds | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
as the three bands or people at that time most influential. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
They lit the world on fire. And then they were anointed by The Beatles. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
And that was it. The Byrds were our Beatles. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
# There is a season | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
# Turn, Turn, Turn | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
# And a time to every purpose, under Heaven. # | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
Once you're on an airplane, you're flying to London, England, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
hanging out with The Beatles and Rolling Stones with gigantic crowds | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
it's kind of a shocker. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
And at that time I never envisioned there would be any problems. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
# A time to laugh, a time to weep. # | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
Gene was the creative glue. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
He wrote those songs that constituted 80% of the albums. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
Gene really wrote a lot of songs. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
He would write five or six songs a week and Mike | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
and I would work them up with him | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
before we showed them to Roger and David. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Three of those five or six would be masterpieces. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
That's how good he was. Very prolific. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Very prolific writer. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
# Hallways and staircases everyday to climb... # | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
Gene initially was excited about the success | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
but then it started to bother him. The pressure of it. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
The pressure to maintain the success, to write more songs, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
started to bother him. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
On the first album he was the only one who got a lot of money | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
and that was about a year after we started the group. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
So the rest of us were still taking buses and walking around LA | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
and he had a little MG and he was driving around in it. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
It created a bit of tension between the members of the band. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
Supposedly when the first cheques came in, everyone got 4,000 | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
and Gene got 47,000 and went out and bought a Porsche, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
it was kind of instant hatred and jealousy. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
You take a group of young men... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
..very different young men. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
Uh... | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
..give them some money... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
..introduce them to drugs. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
I don't think there was anything wrong with the fact that we | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
all of the sudden got laid a lot. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
But the money and the drugs... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
HE WHISTLES | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
That will do it every time. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
He wasn't suited to taking any kind of drug | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
and it brought out the worst in him. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
And if you throw all that in with the pressure of being a teen idol, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
the travelling, the songwriting and everything else, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
all those things together seem to culminate on | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
the 27th of February, '66. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
We were flying to New York to do a Murray the K special. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
This is maybe a year and a half into The Byrds, something like that. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Gene was already on the plane when I got there | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
and he was in a cold sweat. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
And he was going, "I can't stay on this plane." | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
And being a sensitive person, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
I thought, "Maybe he knows something. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
"Maybe he's picking up on something wrong with the plane." | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
He said, "I can't stay on the plane and I have to get off." | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
Big moment. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
Stood up, looked at us... | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
..got off the plane. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
And I said, "Gene, you can't be a Byrd..." | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
..If you can't fly. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
-And... -That was it. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
I had no idea he had a problem flying. I had no idea. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
We had flown all over the place. I had no idea. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
I remember the day he got off the plane. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
But up until then I had no idea. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
There were other issues involved. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
I remember he came to my house in Laurel Canyon and I said, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
"I don't think you should do this. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
"Why are you leaving?" | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
And he just wanted to do something else at the time. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
MUSIC: "Eight Miles High" | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
The falling out of The Byrds was really a mistake. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
It was not on purpose by anybody's purpose. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
It only had to do with a bunch of guys who made it so big | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
when they were 19, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
20 and 21 years old that they could not possibly fucking handle it. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
I'm sure the management was looking at it like, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
"OK, we can't force him to stay in the band. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
"Maybe he can have a nice solo career and do that?" | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
# On the streets you look again | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
# At the places you have been | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
# For the moments that you thought Where am I going? # | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Gene was experiencing, for the first time, horizontal income. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
By that, I mean lie down on your couch and don't do anything | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
and you're making money. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
He was making it off his songs and he instantly recognised what the | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
songwriting career was doing for him. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
A lot of people that came to Gene Clark later tend to | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
think of him as the mystical poet or person that had come from a rural | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
background, and that was part of his personality, as well, of course. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
But he really did love the Hollywood lifestyle. He liked the fast cars. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
He liked the live dancers, the glamorous models. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
We had very little information about how his life was going. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
I had no idea he was dating Michelle Phillips for a while. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
-I found about that later. -He was the first guy to make money in The Byrds. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
Went out and bought a Ferrari. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Didn't see him happy because of that. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
So all the money in the world and all the things you can acquire | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
and all the adulation is not the ticket to happiness. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
One wouldn't know at a young age. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
The world is open to him at that time. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
He can be Bob Dylan plus, with Echoes. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
He can still be the folk guy, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
he can be the rock'n'roll guy, or he can go on the country route. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
# Stopped this morning on my way back home | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
# I had to realise this time that I'd be | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
# All alone... # | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
The first Gene Clark solo album | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
is not just the beginning of... in many ways... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Who knows when country rock began? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
It doesn't matter, but in many ways it kick-started what | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
we now know as country rock. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
I worked with the Gosdins and Vern and Rex were straight country. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
He was really thrown by Byrds fans not grasping what | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
he was doing with this country-esque music. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
-They wanted... -SINGS "EIGHT MILES HIGH" GUITAR LINE | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
..the Eight Miles High, John Coltrane modal solos | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
and they got none of that. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Had Echoes been a hit, I think Gene would have moved in that direction. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
I think he was very proud of that. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
When it failed, I think he... | 0:26:17 | 0:26:23 | |
he lost confidence in that direction. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
I think he kind of floundered | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
and couldn't really find the right voice or the right vehicle. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
Not until we got to Dillard & Clark. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Doug Dillard was a giant in music at that time, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
in country music, because he was generally regarded as being | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
one of the greatest banjo players in the country. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
He was in the Dillards, who were the great bluegrass group | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
and they hailed from Missouri, the same state as Gene. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
So he had a strong empathy with Doug Dillard. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
And Doug Dillard was good and bad for Gene Clark. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I had breakfast with Gene and Doug. It was 10:30 in the morning. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
At the Hamburger Hamlet on Hollywood Boulevard. Never forget. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
And when they ordered Martinis, I went, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
"There's something afoot here." | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Doug probably needed no help to start the evening. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
He was probably blasted already. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Doug could go on three or four day binges | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
and somehow still be upright, still play. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
He wanted to form a band and start recording | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
with A&M, so Gene was already with A&M and he asked me | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
to join him. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:34 | |
First of all, he approached me about recording | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
and then we decided to put the group together. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Bernie, Leadon, Doug Dillard, Gene and Don Beck, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:47 | |
and we started showing up at Dillard's house on Beachwood Canyon. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:53 | |
And without anybody ever calling. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
I don't recall ever getting a call saying, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
"Let's show up tomorrow," or any of that business. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
-We just showed up there. -We sat down and started writing songs. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
It just sort of came about. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
# And now we shall see what the future will bring | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
# As we swing freely as one... # | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Gene would be slumped on the couch, strumming some chords. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
Always interesting chord patterns. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
And spouting some words. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
Often not making any particular sense until much later, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
when things got filled in and he could see where he was going. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
By the end of the day, there was usually a very good song. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
He seemed to really have something that was a little bit | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
more into the real soil of American music. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
Coming from Missouri, I think that his roots | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
really came through, and of course my idea was that when he hung around | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
the Dillards, and the Dillards were rootsy kind of players, you know? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
# I lost ten points just for being in the right place | 0:29:02 | 0:29:08 | |
# At exactly the wrong time... # | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
I was real into starting into the contemporary country thing. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
Of course, that was before the Flying Burrito Brothers | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
and The Eagles and everybody else. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
There was no sense of breaking ground. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
No sense of what was to come from this. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
It was just one note at a time. One line at a time. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
And a lot of Martinis. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
And an interspersion of LSD. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
They'd come to the studio and we'd start to play and it was just magic. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
And it was a perfect vehicle for Gene. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
He kind of found his vehicle and his voice at the same time. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
So we had a great time making that album. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Didn't take very long, happened organically. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
So here we are, we've made the album, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
we're going to open at the Troubadour. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
It's Tuesday night and the press is there. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
So we go to the Troubadour about three or four o'clock | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
for the sound check, set up, do the sound check, everything is fine. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
I drive back to Santa Monica, where I was living at the time, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
take a nap, take a shower, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
get ready for the evening's festivities, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
drive back around 7:30, or 8:00 or 9:00, 8:30, I suppose, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
and the doorman says, "You need to go next door to Dan Tanna's." | 0:30:26 | 0:30:32 | |
"Why do I need to do that?" Knowing full well. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
And he said, "Well, apparently, they have taken LSD | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
"and they are drinking Martinis and have been since the sound check." | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
Which was over about 4:30, and so, yeah, sure enough, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
I go over there and they are happy. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
So now we get on, it's time to go, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
we get on the stage and the lights come up, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
and Gene is sitting on his amplifier facing the wall. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
Douglas has a violin in his hand | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
with one of Douglas's massive smiles | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
and he has got this fiddle in his hand and he is ready to play. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
He's got the bow on the thing, but there is no Gene | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
and we get it going, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
we got through that first song, and at the very end Douglas is | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
holding the note like this, playing away like this, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
and all of a sudden he leans down and puts the violin on the floor | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
and jumps up in the air and lands on the violin, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
breaking the entire instrument. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Little Don Beck looks at me and he says, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
"Well, I think that's enough for me," | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
and turns around and walks off the stage and leaves. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
This is the end of the first song. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Dillard & Clark, that first album, was a beautiful record | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and I think a portent of what was to come. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
You know...it hit a groove that a lot of people were getting into | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
and enjoying tremendously and... But that spluttered out. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
I don't know the reasons. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
I remember the second album. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
I remember when Donna Washburn appeared on the scene. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
She was Doug's girlfriend and really had a big voice. A lot to say. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:19 | |
A lot to say about what was going to go on | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
and she wanted a major piece of... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
you know, the presence on stage and in the recording, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
so the band, you know, dramatically changed and the personnel changed | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
and the fun kind of went out of the band. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
And all of a sudden, we just didn't show up at the house any more. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
The songs didn't get written any longer. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Gene was at that point again in his life | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
and this repeated over and over again | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
where he was done with that and he was ready to move on. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
And I think at that time he decided he was going to exit | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
the Hollywood world. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
MUSIC: "1975" by Gene Clark | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
When Gene moved to Mendocino and out of Los Angeles, I think he was | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
looking for a return to a more peaceful way of life. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
He was looking for hours of joy. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
He was burnt out, fed up with the rat race, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
so I think he was pretty much going to be satisfied with doing | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
a little writing and stuff like this and... He wanted a family. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
At least he thought he wanted a family, let's put it that way. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
One day I came home from work and it was up in the hills | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
and it was a really hot day in LA and he was on a beautiful bike | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
and asked me if I wanted to take a ride to the beach. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
So we did, we rode down to the state beach and watched the sunset | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
and the rest is history. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
# She went off to the city | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
# To find what she was looking for... # | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
I met Carlie briefly in '69 when I was out there. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
He had just gotten to where he knew... | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
Got acquainted with her and it was just a thing... | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
He was pushing me out the door while she was coming in. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
Little brother wasn't going to be around for this one. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
All the guys used to, when they were on... | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
When they had time in LA, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
they all went to Big Sur, and Gene was never that much of a social | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
butterfly, in that he liked hanging out and he was pretty much | 0:35:03 | 0:35:09 | |
an isolationist at times, especially when he wanted to write. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
And so I think that Gene probably just kept on driving | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
and found Mendocino on his own because when we moved there, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
he said he never told anybody else about Mendocino, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
nor had he ever taken anyone there. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
So I think that was his private meditation place. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
# And that life forms are insane... # | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Being in nature and, you know, being up here in Mendocino | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
and having this wonderful land around him and being free, you know. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
Being free of all the stress and all the... | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
chaos that had gone on in his life during his fame and everything else. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
I think what made him most happy was to let go of all that | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
and just kind of be out in nature and relax and enjoy it. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
We were just driving around one day | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
and here at the end of this ridge was this big old Victorian farmhouse | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
standing at the end of the road overlooking the ocean. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
I said, "Wow, can you imagine living there?" | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
He said, "Yeah, I think we should." | 0:36:28 | 0:36:29 | |
And he had just met Carlie | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
and his love for her or their mutual love was... | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
She had the same idea, you know, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
although she had never been country person but... | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
You know, it was a real dream that they had. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
MUSIC: "Spanish Guitar" by Gene Clark | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
# To play on a Spanish guitar | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
# With the sun shining down where you are | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
# Skipping and singing a bar | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
# From music around | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
# Just to laugh through the columns of trees | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
# To soar like a seagull in breeze | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
# To stand in the rain if you please | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
# Or to never be found... # | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Of course, we moved up there for keeps, but it wasn't long before | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
we had to have a house in LA too and we would go back and forth. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
But Mendocino was always our home base. It's what kept him sane. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
The next year, I guess '71, they got married here on the land. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
And we were tight, you know, close. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
There was always a lot of partying and... | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
Not wild parties, just people congregating a lot, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
sitting around in the yard, driving here and there, meeting people. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
Hanging out like that, not in bars. That wasn't until later. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
Jerry Moss was a big fan of the Byrds and a big fan of Gene | 0:38:12 | 0:38:18 | |
and the writing he did and all the times when Gene hated to | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
leave Mendocino, he had a two-record contract, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
two-record-a-year contract, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
and Jerry would actually come to Mendocino and talk Gene into... | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
"It'll be OK, I'll put you here, you can bring Carlie..." | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
The next step, because we still liked Gene, was for him | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
to put some songs together. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Go into a studio, just make some demos, see how he sounds, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
see what musicians he organised to work with. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
And see if it was worth making a record. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
# The village of the hills | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
# Sitting silently at will | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
# Like some prophecy forgotten by an age... # | 0:38:58 | 0:39:05 | |
It is a shame that that early 1970s singer-songwriter crowd, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
that whole movement, was huge in the States, huge. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
James Taylor on the cover of Time magazine. Oh, my God! | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
It's amazing that Gene somehow missed that particular | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
ship as it left the harbour. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
He was tailor-made for it with a record like White Light. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
I suppose it's that he didn't play the record company game | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
of touring and calling radio stations and so on and so forth. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
A&M was largely an artist sort of label | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
and we sort of let the artist do what they wanted to do. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
We present opportunities - | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
you could do this, you could do that - | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
and if they choose them, that was great, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
but if you didn't want to do certain things, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
well, then you didn't want to do certain things, you know. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
And, obviously, the only other thing was, at some point, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
we would not be able to continue with you | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
because we couldn't keep promoting and putting money into artists | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
that weren't willing to go out and promote the stuff, you know. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
# From a place that I can call my home... # | 0:40:08 | 0:40:17 | |
It looked like what had happened was they were coming up with | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
a pretty strong follow-up to White Light and it seems to be that | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
what happened was A&M was getting nervous. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
They pulled the plug because they thought, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
"We're going to have another fine record but our artist isn't going to play the game." | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
I don't think that Gene ever didn't seem to react to success | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
or not success. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:38 | |
You know, the bottom line is there were still royalty cheques coming | 0:40:38 | 0:40:44 | |
and he was happy in Mendocino. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
# I remember the railroad line. # | 0:40:46 | 0:40:54 | |
We had these two beautiful, adorable children | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
and we had this beautiful house overlooking the ocean. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
We could see the ships pass in the night on the horizon. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
We'd wake up and have breakfast till noon and then take a walk or... | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
You know, it was a fantasy. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
Gene's interaction with LA after he went up to Mendocino, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:25 | |
and the music industry altogether, was, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
I think it was a compulsion as much of anything. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Once you're a top-seated rock'n'roll star, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
you don't just get over that overnight. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
You know, that doesn't go away. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
# Funny how the circle turns around | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
# First you're up and then you're down again... # | 0:41:45 | 0:41:52 | |
David Crosby came over to my house in Malibu, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
accompanied by Elliot Roberts | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
and the two of them sat me down and said, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
"You know, some of that stuff you're doing as The Byrds is OK, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
"and some of it isn't. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
"Some of it isn't. And the Byrds brand ought to be better than that. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
"What I would like to propose is that we get all the original | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
"members back together and do an album like that." | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Gene was really excited about it and there had been some differences with | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
various combinations of the guys and things, but David Crosby | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
was in one of his real control trips then, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
but he knew what he was doing too. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
It was amazing, because sitting in the studio | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
and hearing what they were doing was as good or better | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
than anything I ever heard of The Byrds. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
What was released wasn't that same... The magic wasn't there. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
She's right. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
She's right. It could have been so much better. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
If we had gone at it from the point of view of the songs | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
and left the freaking history behind... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
..could've been a great record. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
# And if it's right | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
# Brings it back again. # | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Crosby had really the finest pot I'd ever smoked. It was... | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
I don't know how much THC was in it | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
but it was, like, ten times more than usual. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
You would take a couple of hits and you're floating round the room. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
There was cocaine and... It was a big party. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
It was a party more than a recording session. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
They could have made a fantastic album. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
I was looking forward to it and when I was finished, there were | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
maybe three good songs, and two of them were Gene's. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
That were far, far better than anything else. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
# You can tell a change of heart | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
# Two faces smiled and yet there is no joy... # | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
Gene shined on that record. A couple of great songs saved the record. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:06 | |
The rest of us handed in some unfinished things | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
that I didn't feel were that good. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
The Byrds reunion album was released on Asylum Records | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
which was the young, thrusting label of the time. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
They had Joni Mitchell on there, they had Jackson Browne, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
they'd even signed Bob Dylan, for goodness' sake. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
It was the most exciting label to be on, and David Geffen, shrewd, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:30 | |
could see that Gene Clark was a real talent | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
and this was the platform, the perfect platform for Gene Clark. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
Once he was signed to Asylum, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
it was a perfect opportunity for him to make THE Gene Clark record. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:45 | |
I was producing Bob Newerth for Asylum and David Geffen called me | 0:44:58 | 0:45:03 | |
to ask me who I'd like to produce next, Gene Clark or Jackson Browne. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
I said Gene Clark, cos I thought that Jackson Browne, you know, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
didn't need to have a producer at the time. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
I've always been a fan of Gene's, so that's how that came about. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
We did the No Other album. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
Thomas Jefferson Kaye had vast experience, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
went right back to the '50s. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
He was a producer, he was himself a songwriter and a performer. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:33 | |
More importantly, he was Gene Clark's soul mate in waiting. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
That was a friendship that matches some of the greatest | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
friendships of all time. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
The closeness between Tommy and Gene, as I saw it. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
Tommy was really one of our legendary producers. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
An extremely creative person. And I think he understood Gene | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
and Gene's musical talent probably like nobody else did. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
When he signed with Asylum, he went away for a whole year | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
and he wrote all the songs. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Specifically because HE wanted to change his whole trip. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
A lot of the writing that I did had some kind of spiritual things to it. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:28 | |
It was during a time when I felt like I was doing a lot of soul-searching. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
# Have you seen the silver raven? | 0:46:32 | 0:46:38 | |
# She has wings and she can fly | 0:46:38 | 0:46:44 | |
# Far above the darkened waters | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
# Far above the troubled sky... # | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
He'd go for days. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
Especially when it came close for him to have to record. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
He would just be writing and scratching it out, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
writing and scratching it out, and then, bam! | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
It was like a light went through him and then it just came. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
Yeah, it was amazing. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
I've been fortunate in the sense that I've known some really, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
for me, interesting, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
good artists and have witnessed some of their creative processes | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
and I don't think I've ever seen anybody like Gene. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
It's just one of those intimate things that you witness | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
and you don't disturb it. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:31 | |
Oh, my God! Where does he get...? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
He doesn't read books, where does he get this...? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
He would come up with these divinely inspired lines and, you know, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:44 | |
as songwriters, we were begging for that, you know. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
Gene had gone off into this headspace. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
He starts kind of chanting this melody | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
and starts scratching words on the paper. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
This went on for an hour or so and by the time that he had quieted | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
back down, the hair was standing up all over my arms and everything | 0:48:01 | 0:48:06 | |
because he went somewhere and I didn't know where that place was. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
I was grateful to have just been sitting there next to him | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
while he went through this writing experience. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
This thing came through him, this incredible mysticism. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:21 | |
Anybody whom I consider a good poet leaves it up to the listeners' | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
or the readers' imagination to analyse it in their own situation, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
to kind of apply it to their own life, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
however they want to do it, or to apply it in a real general basis. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
A lot of stuff on No Other, I feel that about. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
# Have you seen the | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
# Changing rivers now they wait | 0:48:40 | 0:48:46 | |
# Their turn to die... # | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
Gene played me the songs and I flipped out and he said, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
"Let's go into another... | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
"Let's take it to another place musically." | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
We spent an awful lot of time. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
It was a very expensive record to make. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
Gene's songs are fairly dark, to say the least. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:08 | |
But I've worked with people, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
a lot of singer-songwriters are fairly dark. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
It's not like a pop song at all. It was great material to work with. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
It was very creative. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
It left a lot of interpretation for the musicians. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
The songs would evolve by us just playing them. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
The thing that was great in those days was generally | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
when you did a session you had a group of musicians in the room. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
The amount of juices that were flowing in the room of ideas | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
and stuff was really intense. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
# You say that you don't want no other... # | 0:49:39 | 0:49:45 | |
So we're in Village, working, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
and Joe Cocker was in the next room working on his album | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
and so we were doing this one song and I don't remember which | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
song it was, but it was one of those ones where everybody | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
kind of looked at each other when we were about halfway through the song | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
and we went, "This is the take." You just feel it. It's just...boom! | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
It's just locked in. Well, during the course of this, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
Cocker had come from his studio and gone into the control room. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
And was sitting there, just getting into it, totally digging it, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
and at one point, reaches down, hits the button for the talkback, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:21 | |
and lets out one of his Cocker screams into the microphone. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
Literally blowing the headphones off of everybody's heads. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
Gene busts down the vocal booth to get at Joe to get out of there. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
Joe's handlers grab him, they drag him back to his studio | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
and lock the door, cos he wouldn't be alive today, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
cos Gene was a big, tough dude. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
If he'd have gotten his hands on Joe, it would have been all over. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
The result is one of the most astonishing albums of its era, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
and it still sounds great. It's a Technicolor production. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
He throws everything in there. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
He fuses different musical genres | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
without any sense of incongruity whatsoever, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
and produces from that something which is just unique, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
and absolutely incredible. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
'David Geffen was furious, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
'because there were only eight songs on the album. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
'He just didn't get behind it. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
'He wouldn't give us any money to go on a tour, subsidise the band. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
'He didn't put anything into that.' | 0:51:33 | 0:51:34 | |
Another little thing that happened that didn't help that at all | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
was when Gene went after David Geffen at Dan Tanna's | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
and nearly took his head off. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
From what I understand from the eyewitnesses, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
he literally jumped over the table and took him by the throat. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
Took him right off the chair. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
Gene got so angry right there in the restaurant | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
that he punched him out, which isn't real cool in public. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
Not cool at all, but... | 0:52:00 | 0:52:01 | |
And that was a real blow to his career, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
because Geffen would have been everything for him. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
Like he was for so many people. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
'I was sorely let down after No Other, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
'the fact there wasn't a hit, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
'because I felt it really was | 0:52:14 | 0:52:15 | |
'a work of art, in its own way.' | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Of course, funny enough, now, particularly here in the UK, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
it's considered a major, prime one, primo example of a lost classic, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:29 | |
like Forever Changes by Love, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
or the Smile album by the Beach Boys. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
It's just considered... wow, wow, and wow again. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
Nobody knew what was going to go on. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
You know, there was talk of agents and tours and so on and so forth, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
everybody living day to day, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
and going from country house to country house and playing music. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
When we played music, the world was well. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
You know? We'd count off. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
I was the guy to always count off. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:57 | |
I'd count off the tunes, | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
and the world was right. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
Soon as the music stopped, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
it was chaos. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
# Seems my dreams are the wings of a spirit | 0:53:06 | 0:53:13 | |
# This vessel's sails can't fill without... # | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
'I didn't do anything for a while, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
'and then Tommy and I got back together, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
'and we independently produced | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
'Two Sides To Every Story.' | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
The RSO album, Two Sides To Every Story, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
was pretty much as we now know, his last chance, and I think... | 0:53:33 | 0:53:39 | |
He did too little, too late, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:41 | |
and he should have been doing that all along. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
It's a really fine record in its own sweet way, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
but it's a bit out of time, because he is on the cover as | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
this rustic, bearded man, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:51 | |
which would have been fantastic five years earlier. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
By '77, after disco, with punk/new wave coming in, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
everybody was clean-shaven and a bit more coiffed | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
and a bit more well groomed. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
It's just... | 0:54:02 | 0:54:03 | |
He continually missed ships leaving the harbour, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
in terms of a metaphor for his career. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
It's just heartbreaking. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
I don't think that he enjoyed success. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
I think it was a hugely confusing thing for him. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
I think he was never comfortable with being somebody, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
and not feeling it in here. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
# Weigh the anchor once more... # | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
He would do what he liked, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
he would do his music, he would be very happy. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
Then things would start getting complicated, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
because then it would be contracts and managers | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
and recording and the business, and that's when he would withdraw, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
and that's when he would go off to the left a little bit sometimes. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
Al Coury was the president of RSO Records, and... | 0:54:47 | 0:54:53 | |
..and... | 0:54:57 | 0:54:58 | |
..and they had a dinner for Gene that night. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
They were going to talk over deals and, you know, wheeling and dealing. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:09 | |
And Gene came in late, and he came in drunk, and he had his old, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
dirty boots on, you know, and he puts them up on the table. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
Comes in, put his feet up on the table...yeah. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
He's having a drink and he looks over at Al Coury, and he says, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
"You look like Sonny Bono." | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
Which he did, actually, he looked like Sonny Bono! | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
He said, "You look like Sonny Bono." | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
And...yeah, and that did it. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
That sealed it. Right there. You know? | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
Gene always had these great opportunities. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
He always had a record deal, and they were behind him, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
and he'd make a great record, and then it would fall apart. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
The minute it was time to go out the gates, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
the horse is trained and it's lined up to race. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
The gate opens and the horse falls over. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
That's what would happen. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
Every time. And you're going, "What? What is that?" You know? | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
When he did the RKO album, they had decided that | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
they couldn't afford to have Kelly and Kai and I live there, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
that they were just going to put Gene up, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
and for me to stay in Mendocino. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
And then I found out that he had gotten a house, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
and there was a gal living there with him. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
So, that was it. And, in retrospect... | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
I would have handled it completely different. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
But I was mad, and I just told him I was going to go to Hawaii. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:35 | |
He... | 0:56:35 | 0:56:36 | |
was drinking a lot, and it was just... | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
It was like I stepped out of what I thought was a fantasy, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
and realised in retrospect that it was insanity. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
# Look around, little darling | 0:56:49 | 0:56:54 | |
# Do you know who I am? | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
# I'm as much your reflection | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
# As I am my own man... # | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
I don't think he expected it. I think that he had this... | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
vision in his mind that he could have both lives. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
And the choice was made for him more than he made it. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
And that's another thing, I think, that bothered him deeply, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
is because that had to be walked out on. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
You know, damaged him immensely. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
You know, that carefree, friendly guy that moved up here was disappearing. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
Even though he was always nice, but he had this dark streak, really. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:54 | |
# Watch the sun's fading embers | 0:57:55 | 0:58:00 | |
# Hear the wind as she cries. # | 0:58:02 | 0:58:10 | |
After having lived in Hawaii for three or four months, I just... | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
I couldn't feature living in that insanity any more, you know? | 0:58:19 | 0:58:25 | |
The drinking was out of control. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
You know, like, Gene has enough Indian in him that | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
when he drinks, you know, he's not himself. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:36 | |
He would tell you that, that he actually is | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
up looking at himself when he's drinking. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
I knew two Gene Clarks, as a lot of people did, | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
and the Gene Clark in Mendocino was this kick-back, | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
totally a cowboy kind of person, that kind of person. | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
In LA, his notoriety had been with The Byrds | 0:58:51 | 0:58:56 | |
and The Byrds were, in a way, like The Beatles to us, | 0:58:56 | 0:58:58 | |
and you know, that was one of The Beatles' favourite bands | 0:58:58 | 0:59:01 | |
in the beginning, so in LA, he was very famous. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:07 | |
And so he did have a totally different persona. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:10 | |
# I can only make guesses | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
# On some of my past addresses | 0:59:15 | 0:59:19 | |
# And tell you what my broken memory recalls | 0:59:21 | 0:59:28 | |
The Byrds never got out of him. | 0:59:29 | 0:59:32 | |
I think The Byrds defined Gene, | 0:59:32 | 0:59:34 | |
and I think that kind of caged Gene in again, you know? | 0:59:34 | 0:59:39 | |
Our next guests helped create the whole country-rock trend | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
back in the '60s, when they were members of The Byrds, | 0:59:42 | 0:59:44 | |
with songs like Mr Tambourine Man, Eight Miles High, | 0:59:44 | 0:59:48 | |
and now, after a 12-year break, | 0:59:48 | 0:59:51 | |
three of the members got back together with a whole new sound | 0:59:51 | 0:59:54 | |
that we're all hearing on the Top 40. | 0:59:54 | 0:59:57 | |
Here are McGuinn, Clark and Hillman. | 0:59:57 | 1:00:00 | |
For the 20th anniversary, I believe, of the Troubadour, | 1:00:00 | 1:00:03 | |
I was up on stage doing a solo, | 1:00:03 | 1:00:05 | |
and Gene Clark was out in the audience, | 1:00:05 | 1:00:07 | |
and Gene was right in front of me, | 1:00:07 | 1:00:09 | |
and I invited him up to do Eight Miles High with me, | 1:00:09 | 1:00:11 | |
and we had so much fun doing it, | 1:00:11 | 1:00:13 | |
and his friends and other people in the audience said, | 1:00:13 | 1:00:16 | |
"Why don't you guys go on the road as a duo?" | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
We did that, and then Chris Hillman got into it, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:21 | |
and it became McGuinn, Clark and Hillman. | 1:00:21 | 1:00:24 | |
Well, my first question is, will this band stay together, | 1:00:24 | 1:00:28 | |
or is it just an occasional album you've made? | 1:00:28 | 1:00:30 | |
No, we're going to stay together. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
This is a new thing, McGuinn, Clark and Hillman, | 1:00:32 | 1:00:34 | |
and we intend to stick with it as long as it stays together. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:37 | |
Do you think you can avoid the problems, you know, | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
that caused The Byrds' split, in this new band? | 1:00:40 | 1:00:44 | |
Well, we can avoid some of them, | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
because we've been through all that stuff before, you know? | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
-I don't think it'll happen again, will it? -Never. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:51 | |
There was still, like I said, | 1:00:51 | 1:00:53 | |
a lot of old resentments and things, | 1:00:53 | 1:00:55 | |
and so we never knew | 1:00:55 | 1:00:57 | |
if Chris would blow up at Roger, | 1:00:57 | 1:00:59 | |
or Roger would want to choke Gene, | 1:00:59 | 1:01:02 | |
or...you know, you just never knew. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:04 | |
So... | 1:01:04 | 1:01:06 | |
that lent itself to making some good music. It always did. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:09 | |
I think that negativity always made them create some great shows. | 1:01:09 | 1:01:16 | |
Live, we were good. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:17 | |
I've got some great tapes of McGuinn, Clark and Hillman live, | 1:01:17 | 1:01:20 | |
and it is darn good. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:22 | |
There were moments when he was back to the old Geno, | 1:01:22 | 1:01:25 | |
and he was getting it. It was good. | 1:01:25 | 1:01:27 | |
# Hey O, there's a stage for every star in the show | 1:01:27 | 1:01:33 | |
# And there's a star for every stage | 1:01:34 | 1:01:42 | |
# Ten feet away from the stage she can stand | 1:01:43 | 1:01:49 | |
# Hey O, do you know if she'll think that it's grand... # | 1:01:50 | 1:01:56 | |
When he was on stage, nobody could touch Gene. You know? | 1:01:56 | 1:02:00 | |
But I think he was happiest when he was on stage playing, | 1:02:02 | 1:02:07 | |
because the hour that we played, | 1:02:07 | 1:02:10 | |
there were still 23 hours left in the day to fill, | 1:02:10 | 1:02:13 | |
and he spent most of those 23 hours miserable. | 1:02:13 | 1:02:16 | |
'We walked into a ready-made bed, | 1:02:16 | 1:02:19 | |
'just by our names only, | 1:02:19 | 1:02:21 | |
'and we're spoiled with | 1:02:21 | 1:02:22 | |
'immediate limousines and Learjets, | 1:02:22 | 1:02:24 | |
'and you know, that kind of thing, it's not... | 1:02:24 | 1:02:27 | |
'You don't feel like you've earned your money. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:29 | |
'You don't feel like you've worked for it, | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
'and I think that was a lot of the reason why things fell apart.' | 1:02:31 | 1:02:35 | |
# Don't you write her off like that | 1:02:35 | 1:02:37 | |
# Don't you write her off like that | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
# Don't you write her off like that | 1:02:40 | 1:02:42 | |
# She's a real fine lady, don't you see? | 1:02:42 | 1:02:45 | |
-# Don't you write her off like that -Don't you write her off | 1:02:45 | 1:02:47 | |
-# Don't you write her off like that -Don't you write her off | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
# Don't you write her off like that | 1:02:49 | 1:02:52 | |
# She's a real fine lady, don't you see? # | 1:02:52 | 1:02:54 | |
Once we got a top 40 hit with Don't You Write Her Off, | 1:02:58 | 1:03:02 | |
and the pressure was on, and we were doing television | 1:03:02 | 1:03:04 | |
and radio shows and interviews, the pressure came on again, | 1:03:04 | 1:03:08 | |
and it started to affect Gene, | 1:03:08 | 1:03:10 | |
the way he had been affected in The Byrds. | 1:03:10 | 1:03:12 | |
He was just under pressure, and uncomfortable. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
He started to find relief in other ways. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
As far as... | 1:03:21 | 1:03:22 | |
..lifestyle choices, substance abuse, | 1:03:25 | 1:03:29 | |
that hit everybody hard in the '70s. | 1:03:29 | 1:03:31 | |
It got Gene bad. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:33 | |
So that McGuinn, Clark and Hillman was the time | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
when I did not know if he was going to make it. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:38 | |
When he came home for that McGuinn, Clark and Hillman concert, | 1:03:38 | 1:03:42 | |
that was really the time that I knew | 1:03:42 | 1:03:47 | |
that he was in deep trouble with drugs. | 1:03:47 | 1:03:49 | |
We waited a good half hour or more in the lobby, | 1:03:49 | 1:03:53 | |
the whole family, just waiting in the lobby. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:56 | |
He came downstairs with his sunglasses on. | 1:03:56 | 1:03:59 | |
First clue. | 1:04:00 | 1:04:02 | |
And he was literally strutting. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
I mean, he was strutting around, big star. That was just... | 1:04:06 | 1:04:11 | |
Just the scene right there that, | 1:04:11 | 1:04:14 | |
you know, the light bulbs all went on. He's in big trouble. | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
There were some tough moments with Gene, between Gene and I, | 1:04:18 | 1:04:22 | |
and I was getting the job done, you know? | 1:04:22 | 1:04:27 | |
And Roger also, a consummate professional, | 1:04:27 | 1:04:30 | |
and it was hard to work with somebody who was not there, | 1:04:30 | 1:04:34 | |
not giving his all, | 1:04:34 | 1:04:36 | |
and we had moments that were very uncomfortable. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:38 | |
Unfortunately, Gene sought solace in heroin, | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
and he couldn't make the gigs any more, he wasn't working, | 1:04:42 | 1:04:46 | |
so we just asked him to leave. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:48 | |
It was rough, but it got to where we couldn't work with him, | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
so we'd do the second album, | 1:04:51 | 1:04:53 | |
and it's, "McGuinn, Hillman, featuring Gene Clark". | 1:04:53 | 1:04:57 | |
It was sort of easing him out. | 1:04:57 | 1:04:59 | |
It wasn't as good, and the last one wasn't very good at all, | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
so that was the end of that deal, and it was just as well. | 1:05:01 | 1:05:04 | |
That's really a shame, because... | 1:05:04 | 1:05:07 | |
especially in Gene's case, because they were just so talented. | 1:05:07 | 1:05:11 | |
I think he had so many more great songs in him. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:14 | |
When I hear other people do the songs, it just amazes me | 1:05:14 | 1:05:17 | |
how great a singer-songwriter he was. | 1:05:17 | 1:05:22 | |
MUSIC: "Mr Tambourine Man" by Gene Clark | 1:05:22 | 1:05:24 | |
# My weariness amazes me... # | 1:05:35 | 1:05:39 | |
Things just didn't feel good. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:40 | |
Nobody felt good about anything we were doing. | 1:05:40 | 1:05:43 | |
So I just wanted away for the year, just to cool out, you know, | 1:05:43 | 1:05:46 | |
clear my head, get my thoughts together, | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
and then I came back to the Firebyrd album. | 1:05:50 | 1:05:53 | |
# Hey, Mr Tambourine Man... # | 1:05:56 | 1:06:00 | |
When we moved into the '80s, I think it was hard on him, | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
cos the reviews weren't very good | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
and the money was not there. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:10 | |
You know, record deals were scarce and far between, | 1:06:10 | 1:06:14 | |
a lot of bridges were burned | 1:06:14 | 1:06:15 | |
and people were not looking at him | 1:06:15 | 1:06:17 | |
the way that they had looked at him in the past or with The Byrds | 1:06:17 | 1:06:20 | |
and stuff like that. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:21 | |
I had a new band that I put together and was managing. | 1:06:29 | 1:06:33 | |
We got the big thing that we were going to headline the Whisky. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:37 | |
The whole thing about when you open at the Whisky is to have | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
celebrities in the audience. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:43 | |
So, Gene, in all his wonderfulness, was going to be there for us. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
So the stage is set up, ready for my band to go on. | 1:06:47 | 1:06:50 | |
Gene gets there and he gets hassled at the door. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:53 | |
He starts getting a little rowdy about it | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
and he starts getting real mad about it. | 1:06:56 | 1:06:58 | |
Well, basically the end result of it | 1:06:58 | 1:07:00 | |
is that Gene closed us down that night. | 1:07:00 | 1:07:02 | |
So, uh... He ruined our opening. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:06 | |
Totally ruined it. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:07 | |
So later that night we're up in the canyon at my house or someplace | 1:07:07 | 1:07:12 | |
and really ticked off at Gene. I mean, really ticked off. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:16 | |
Gene comes up to the house and gave us the old, soft cowboy hat in hands. | 1:07:17 | 1:07:23 | |
"I'm so sorry." | 1:07:23 | 1:07:25 | |
I think that's probably the point I loved Gene the most, | 1:07:26 | 1:07:29 | |
just to see him to go from that tough guy just to that sweet, gentle... | 1:07:29 | 1:07:35 | |
He was just gentle. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:36 | |
He was just a little kid with his head hanging down, | 1:07:36 | 1:07:39 | |
begging forgiveness. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:41 | |
A lot of mixed PR about... | 1:07:41 | 1:07:43 | |
Gene's a drunk or Gene is a drug addict, Gene is this, Gene is that. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:49 | |
Most of it wasn't true. | 1:07:49 | 1:07:51 | |
Yeah, he had some problems, but he wasn't... | 1:07:53 | 1:07:56 | |
My God, if you had read or had heard what people were talking about | 1:07:56 | 1:08:00 | |
without having known the man, you'd have thought he was Jack the Ripper. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
But Hollywood falls for that. They love a good crazy story. | 1:08:05 | 1:08:08 | |
I think he's just stressed out. Completely stressed out. | 1:08:08 | 1:08:12 | |
All the time. | 1:08:12 | 1:08:13 | |
Trying to get back to where he once was, I think. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:16 | |
How's that got to be, to be on top of the world for, you know, | 1:08:18 | 1:08:23 | |
ten years and then scraping by, | 1:08:23 | 1:08:27 | |
waiting for your next royalties cheque? | 1:08:27 | 1:08:29 | |
You live that lifestyle, you become accustomed to that lifestyle. | 1:08:29 | 1:08:34 | |
How is it to clip coupons? It just doesn't work. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
He tried to make it work. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:40 | |
I first met Gene Clark... | 1:08:40 | 1:08:43 | |
a strange night at a club that, well, | 1:08:43 | 1:08:48 | |
used to be a club we played at. It was called Madame Wong's. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:53 | |
One of his friends, Tom Slocum, knew of my band The Textones. | 1:08:53 | 1:08:59 | |
Anyway, long story short is, he dragged me | 1:08:59 | 1:09:01 | |
physically up on the stage. | 1:09:01 | 1:09:03 | |
When they were getting ready to start playing their encore, | 1:09:03 | 1:09:06 | |
Feel A Whole Lot Better, they're already into the intro of it | 1:09:06 | 1:09:09 | |
and Gene Clark is standing there. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
Gene reaches over, sticks out his paw and says, | 1:09:11 | 1:09:14 | |
"Hi, I'm Gene Clark." I said, "I'm Carla Olson, nice to meet you." | 1:09:14 | 1:09:19 | |
That was it. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:20 | |
Carla is probably one of the most positive people... | 1:09:20 | 1:09:23 | |
..you're ever going to meet. She's a sweetheart. These duets they did... | 1:09:25 | 1:09:30 | |
..they worked. It kept them going. It kept both of their careers going. | 1:09:31 | 1:09:35 | |
I basically got pulled in, singing harmonies, | 1:09:38 | 1:09:41 | |
just from hanging around the living room, to be honest. | 1:09:41 | 1:09:44 | |
Then one day we were sitting there, I guess Gene showed us a song | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
that he had written with Rick, his brother Rick Clark, called Del Gato. | 1:09:48 | 1:09:52 | |
The lyric was just so incredible. | 1:09:52 | 1:09:56 | |
sort of a Western theme, kind of, Good The Bad And The Ugly. | 1:09:56 | 1:09:59 | |
# My name is Del Gato | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
# Born close to the border | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
# Of White blood and Red blood I came | 1:10:06 | 1:10:10 | |
# I travelled the saddle | 1:10:15 | 1:10:18 | |
# I followed the cattle | 1:10:18 | 1:10:21 | |
# Down on the range where they graze | 1:10:21 | 1:10:25 | |
# And I just ride in | 1:10:29 | 1:10:32 | |
# From a hard southwestern drive... # | 1:10:32 | 1:10:37 | |
We thought it was a standard, | 1:10:40 | 1:10:42 | |
before he said that he'd written it with Rick. | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
Gene says, "Hey, we ought to record this." | 1:10:45 | 1:10:48 | |
Saul says, "Well, let's record a whole bunch of them." | 1:10:48 | 1:10:50 | |
Carla and Gene just had some just had some obvious kind of... | 1:10:50 | 1:10:56 | |
simpatico. | 1:10:56 | 1:10:58 | |
Things seemed to make sense to try and do something together. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
We decided because the voices were the most important thing, obviously | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
the songs too, we decided not to put any electric instruments on it. | 1:11:05 | 1:11:09 | |
Thus, we were the first unplugged. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
# Sing that two-wheeled melody | 1:11:11 | 1:11:16 | |
# The highway symphony | 1:11:18 | 1:11:22 | |
# You know she'll never understand | 1:11:25 | 1:11:32 | |
BOTH: # Gypsy rider | 1:11:36 | 1:11:39 | |
# Sing | 1:11:39 | 1:11:40 | |
# Your two-wheeled symphony | 1:11:43 | 1:11:45 | |
# You know there's nothing | 1:11:49 | 1:11:54 | |
# To explain... # | 1:11:54 | 1:11:56 | |
As far as live shows, we did a few around LA, | 1:11:59 | 1:12:03 | |
but Gene was busy with The Byrds reunion. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:07 | |
He was in demand at that point for shows with that particular group. | 1:12:07 | 1:12:13 | |
# You may never pass this way again.. # | 1:12:13 | 1:12:19 | |
Michael Clarke told me that they were putting together this group. | 1:12:23 | 1:12:28 | |
I guess it was called The Tribute To The Byrds, | 1:12:28 | 1:12:31 | |
because who could use the name, who could not use the name? | 1:12:31 | 1:12:35 | |
It was a very touchy thing. | 1:12:35 | 1:12:38 | |
They said that if they could have a third former Byrd in this tour | 1:12:38 | 1:12:43 | |
that it would solidify everything and that it would really happen. | 1:12:43 | 1:12:46 | |
He was on the road a lot with these various tribute bands, | 1:12:46 | 1:12:50 | |
so that did sustain him, that kept him busy as well. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:54 | |
It kind of kept him in trouble a little bit, | 1:12:54 | 1:12:56 | |
cos there were a few bad boys in some of these incarnations. | 1:12:56 | 1:12:58 | |
I remember thinking that there were five gigs that I thought | 1:12:58 | 1:13:03 | |
really had the magic. | 1:13:03 | 1:13:04 | |
The rest were just like... | 1:13:05 | 1:13:07 | |
Like being on a pirate ship in a storm. | 1:13:08 | 1:13:10 | |
It was grind, definitely. It was crappy hotels and doubling up. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:18 | |
You know, driving the Pinto up to the show. | 1:13:19 | 1:13:22 | |
He was sober and he was just struggling. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:25 | |
Touring, getting his career back on track. | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
One of the things that was remarkable to me | 1:13:29 | 1:13:31 | |
is that even though Gene had a reputation for self-destruction... | 1:13:31 | 1:13:36 | |
..people would always show up who wanted to finance the next project. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:42 | |
He had that... | 1:13:43 | 1:13:45 | |
..undeniable quality of genius. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:51 | |
He had various groups of friends. | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
Pat Robinson, who was not really in the band, | 1:13:56 | 1:13:58 | |
but was a tremendous friend to Gene. | 1:13:58 | 1:14:01 | |
We felt that we were sort of his protectors. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:05 | |
MUSIC: "Carry On" by Gene Clark | 1:14:05 | 1:14:07 | |
We kind of started working together - writing songs, | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
that rolled into Cry when John York came along. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:23 | |
The Cry project was a beautiful idea. | 1:14:23 | 1:14:27 | |
Pat would invite Gene to write songs up in the studio, | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
but the condition was - no drugs, no alcohol. | 1:14:31 | 1:14:37 | |
We are just going to write songs. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:40 | |
# So many times that I will make my mistakes | 1:14:40 | 1:14:44 | |
# Take my heartaches | 1:14:44 | 1:14:46 | |
# Do what it takes to get along | 1:14:46 | 1:14:50 | |
# I will lay down my pride | 1:14:50 | 1:14:52 | |
# Tears I can't hide | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
# I've made up my mind to carry on... # | 1:14:54 | 1:14:59 | |
He had this tape recorder that he would put in the kitchen. | 1:14:59 | 1:15:02 | |
I could always remember his cowboy boots tapping all night. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:05 | |
It was kind of like this rhythm. I knew he'd be in the kitchen playing. | 1:15:05 | 1:15:09 | |
There was always music around, there was always guitars. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:11 | |
He was always working on stuff. | 1:15:11 | 1:15:13 | |
It was healing to him to be able to play music all the time. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:16 | |
It was a release of emotion too. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
# Carry on | 1:15:18 | 1:15:20 | |
# Till you find your way back home... # | 1:15:20 | 1:15:23 | |
So that was the idea - that we could do something that had this... | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
..higher musical ethic, you know, where... | 1:15:32 | 1:15:36 | |
..there would be no demons present, really. | 1:15:38 | 1:15:41 | |
But we weren't able to take it anywhere. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:45 | |
Part of the problem with getting Gene a new record deal is, again, | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
Gene had kind of burned bridges. | 1:15:48 | 1:15:50 | |
He had a particular reputation as kind of a maverick | 1:15:50 | 1:15:53 | |
and an outlaw, which he cherished, but I think that didn't do him well. | 1:15:53 | 1:15:57 | |
We were playing, I think it was in Reno, in casinos there. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:06 | |
We had to have oxygen backstage for Gene. | 1:16:07 | 1:16:10 | |
He was so ill. We kept saying, "Gene, let's just cancel this. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:17 | |
"We don't think it's worth it." | 1:16:17 | 1:16:19 | |
He would say, "No, no, you guys all have bills to pay, you have families. | 1:16:19 | 1:16:23 | |
"Let's finish this." | 1:16:23 | 1:16:24 | |
We... We were really concerned. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:30 | |
From the airport, he went right to the hospital. | 1:16:30 | 1:16:32 | |
They took half of his stomach out. I'll never forget it. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
Go to see him after he's had this surgery and he's up walking around. | 1:16:35 | 1:16:38 | |
He was... His recovery was just unreal. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:43 | |
This man just had his innards taken out. | 1:16:43 | 1:16:46 | |
He says, "I've got to have a cigarette." | 1:16:46 | 1:16:47 | |
I said, "Gene, you've been out of surgery less than 24 hours." | 1:16:47 | 1:16:51 | |
He was ready to run. | 1:16:51 | 1:16:52 | |
He was on the phone trying to book dates for the band. | 1:16:52 | 1:16:55 | |
I remember him coming to me... | 1:16:55 | 1:16:57 | |
..later... | 1:16:59 | 1:17:00 | |
..telling me that they'd cut out part of his stomach. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
Told him he could never drink again. Ever. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:09 | |
A drop. | 1:17:11 | 1:17:12 | |
CRICKETS CHIRP | 1:17:14 | 1:17:15 | |
MUSIC: "Feel A Whole Lot Better" by Tom Petty | 1:17:20 | 1:17:22 | |
Tom Petty recorded his very first solo album. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:30 | |
The only outside song on an album that sold more than 4 million copies | 1:17:30 | 1:17:33 | |
was Gene's Feel A Whole Lot Better. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:35 | |
The money just poured in. | 1:17:35 | 1:17:36 | |
Then he just started getting huge royalty cheques. | 1:17:36 | 1:17:39 | |
I don't think he stayed sober much longer after that. | 1:17:39 | 1:17:41 | |
Started partying a lot. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:43 | |
He was still doing music, | 1:17:44 | 1:17:46 | |
but I think it was kind of like a lot of fits and starts. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:48 | |
So in the midst of all of this happening, everything, | 1:17:48 | 1:17:51 | |
then we get nominated to the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. | 1:17:51 | 1:17:54 | |
I think really, for myself, gratitude is the main thing. | 1:18:01 | 1:18:06 | |
I've got to be really thankful for all the people in my life | 1:18:06 | 1:18:10 | |
that have supported me through the years, through MY good and MY bad, | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
and especially my brothers here on stage with me, | 1:18:14 | 1:18:16 | |
with whom I have enjoyed playing more than anybody else in the whole world. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:20 | |
Most of the bands that are inducted won't speak to each other, | 1:18:20 | 1:18:25 | |
let alone get on stage and play. We sat together. | 1:18:25 | 1:18:27 | |
And we played together at the end. It was a very nice ending. | 1:18:28 | 1:18:33 | |
It was reconciliation, and - I hate this term but I'll use it - closure. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
Byrds over, end of story. | 1:18:37 | 1:18:39 | |
He was pretty excited when the Tom Petty thing came out, | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
Hall of Fame thing came out, but then the new stress came down. | 1:18:43 | 1:18:47 | |
That was more than having to book a show somewhere by himself. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:52 | |
He was having trouble with his throat. | 1:18:52 | 1:18:55 | |
And he was beginning to consume a little bit more alcohol again. | 1:18:55 | 1:19:01 | |
And I said, "You'd better go to the doctor. | 1:19:02 | 1:19:06 | |
"Go and see Flashman." And so... | 1:19:06 | 1:19:10 | |
When he saw Dr Flashman, this was probably a couple of weeks | 1:19:12 | 1:19:18 | |
before his final gig and he says, "I've got throat cancer. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:22 | |
-"What am I going to do?" -I think he was worried... | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
that he was going to survive, but couldn't sing any more. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:30 | |
And then what do you do? But my dad was tough. | 1:19:30 | 1:19:33 | |
He wasn't someone who was going to get, you know, lie in bed all day. | 1:19:34 | 1:19:38 | |
He powered through it. | 1:19:38 | 1:19:40 | |
It was more like, "Oh, no, I tried so hard to try and get back | 1:19:40 | 1:19:44 | |
"on it and stuff is coming together and now I'm getting hit with this." | 1:19:44 | 1:19:48 | |
I look at that last picture and I just almost cried | 1:19:48 | 1:19:52 | |
because I saw all that suffering. | 1:19:52 | 1:19:54 | |
Here was this young, beautiful man that I used to know, | 1:19:54 | 1:19:58 | |
and then there's this broken down guy. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:01 | |
Although they were going to be doing the Cinegrill, | 1:20:01 | 1:20:03 | |
and I guess there was a trip to Europe planned. | 1:20:03 | 1:20:07 | |
So his music kind of died, but he was dying. Physically. | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
The first time I saw him play live was at the Cinegrill in Hollywood | 1:20:11 | 1:20:17 | |
and, ironically, it would be his last shows which was kind of... | 1:20:17 | 1:20:22 | |
You know, it's a coincidence that I was there or fate meant it to be. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:29 | |
We rehearsed at this place called the Alley, North Hollywood. | 1:20:29 | 1:20:33 | |
-A great old rehearsal hall. -He had been pretty sober. | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
He had not been drinking at all for the rehearsals. | 1:20:36 | 1:20:39 | |
And, er, somebody showed up at the Alley that day, the last rehearsal, | 1:20:39 | 1:20:45 | |
and I won't mention his name. | 1:20:45 | 1:20:47 | |
He's a very famous guy, a very famous singer, | 1:20:47 | 1:20:51 | |
a singer-songwriter, and gave him a... | 1:20:51 | 1:20:55 | |
Got him kind of high on something, and after that, it was... | 1:20:55 | 1:21:00 | |
It was a different deal, you know. | 1:21:00 | 1:21:02 | |
He just kind of went out to another place...I guess you could say. | 1:21:02 | 1:21:08 | |
Then we rehearse these few tunes, you know, | 1:21:08 | 1:21:10 | |
but we had them down by the end of the... | 1:21:10 | 1:21:12 | |
Of course, he gets to the gig and he plays them completely different, | 1:21:12 | 1:21:15 | |
so in the Hollywood Reporter the next day | 1:21:15 | 1:21:17 | |
they said, Garth Beckington, I don't know, he seems like he's played | 1:21:17 | 1:21:20 | |
the guitar before but I don't think he ever played these songs before. | 1:21:20 | 1:21:23 | |
The Cinegrill was sad. | 1:21:23 | 1:21:24 | |
It was sort of bittersweet, in that he was in Hollywood | 1:21:24 | 1:21:30 | |
and all of his buddies were there, Taj Mahal and David Carradine | 1:21:30 | 1:21:34 | |
and a lot of people came out | 1:21:34 | 1:21:36 | |
that probably hadn't been to a Gene Clark show in a long time. | 1:21:36 | 1:21:40 | |
I wasn't thinking of him being close to passing out of here, | 1:21:40 | 1:21:45 | |
but he looked like... | 1:21:45 | 1:21:46 | |
He'd definitely been through some stuff, you know. | 1:21:46 | 1:21:49 | |
Cinegrill was not my favourite moment to see Gene but he did give me | 1:21:49 | 1:21:54 | |
a kiss on the cheek and said thank you. | 1:21:54 | 1:21:57 | |
I had a good friend named Howie Epstein who | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
played in Tom Petty's band and he was doing a record with John Prine. | 1:22:23 | 1:22:28 | |
He was going to put Gene on the tracks and I helped set it up. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:31 | |
Howie called me about noon or one o'clock, I think. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:34 | |
12:30, maybe it was. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:36 | |
He said, "Where is Gene?" you know. | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
I said, "Well, I don't know where he is." | 1:22:38 | 1:22:41 | |
So, I said, "I'll go over there." | 1:22:41 | 1:22:44 | |
I called him up and then was no answer and I went over there. | 1:22:44 | 1:22:47 | |
And I went in the door in the kitchen because the door was unlocked. | 1:22:47 | 1:22:50 | |
I went in the kitchen door and I came in and he was on the floor. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:54 | |
I mean, I knew he was dead right away. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:56 | |
When I walked in the room, when I walked in the house, I knew he was dead. | 1:22:56 | 1:22:59 | |
I was in Mendocino when John called from LA and said that CNN | 1:23:07 | 1:23:15 | |
was at the house and that I'd better let the boys know that Gene was dead. | 1:23:15 | 1:23:23 | |
The floor opened up and fell away. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:25 | |
I was just having a cool day, a sunny up in Mendocino, | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
and we were skating and my mom showed up there. | 1:23:28 | 1:23:31 | |
It was really weird. And, er, um...she told me. | 1:23:31 | 1:23:37 | |
My having to tell those boys that their dad was gone | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
Right then, I would have gone back with him in a heartbeat. | 1:23:45 | 1:23:48 | |
# It was more like a dream than reality... # | 1:24:08 | 1:24:11 | |
Even in death, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:16 | |
Gene Clark never really got the full retrospection he deserved. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:21 | |
I think he's still the great missing character | 1:24:21 | 1:24:25 | |
in terms of commercial appeal, or even in cult status. | 1:24:25 | 1:24:29 | |
He is grossly underplayed | 1:24:29 | 1:24:32 | |
and underrepresented in the music business for what he did. | 1:24:32 | 1:24:35 | |
It's such an irony that the Robert Plant/Alison Krauss album, | 1:24:35 | 1:24:38 | |
Raising Sand, had two of Gene's songs on it. Two. | 1:24:38 | 1:24:42 | |
And of course, it sold 2 million copies, that record. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
And all Gene had to do to have caught that particular | 1:24:45 | 1:24:51 | |
bite of the cherry, that brass ring, | 1:24:51 | 1:24:54 | |
to have been on that ship as it left the harbour, was not die. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:57 | |
I remember the last time I saw Gene, he closed his show, he sang, | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
"I'm a loser." And then he ran out of the room. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:06 | |
Got in his car and left. And that's the last time I saw him. | 1:25:06 | 1:25:10 | |
And I was thinking, "You're not a loser. You're a champion. | 1:25:10 | 1:25:16 | |
"You're the king of the world." | 1:25:16 | 1:25:18 | |
It's like any kind of art, whether it is painting or poetry or acting. | 1:25:18 | 1:25:23 | |
A lot of times the best art is not recognised in its own time. | 1:25:23 | 1:25:28 | |
A lot of times I'm really pissed off that he was Gene Clark, | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
the songwriter and the Byrd, and I just wish he was a carpenter, | 1:25:31 | 1:25:37 | |
because he'd probably still be around. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
But I'm also proud of, you know, the things he did and the person he was. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:46 | |
He wrote amazing poetry and songs and had great loves and great wars | 1:25:46 | 1:25:54 | |
and all that stuff and there are people still talking about him | 1:25:54 | 1:25:58 | |
20 years later, so... | 1:25:58 | 1:26:00 | |
When he showed up when I walked in that room, | 1:26:00 | 1:26:04 | |
when he and Roger were singing those songs... | 1:26:04 | 1:26:06 | |
He was central to the issue. | 1:26:09 | 1:26:11 | |
He was one of the people that was going to make rock 'n' roll happen. | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
He did what he wanted to do. | 1:26:18 | 1:26:19 | |
He got to live somewhat what he wanted to do and follow that dream. | 1:26:19 | 1:26:23 | |
I'm sure learning the guitar and sitting in his bedroom in Bonner Springs, Kansas, | 1:26:23 | 1:26:29 | |
that's what he wanted to do and he got to do it. | 1:26:29 | 1:26:31 | |
One, two, three, four... | 1:26:33 | 1:26:35 | |
# They say everything can be replaced | 1:27:05 | 1:27:10 | |
# They say every distance is not near | 1:27:12 | 1:27:17 | |
# So I remember every face | 1:27:20 | 1:27:26 | |
# Of every man who put me here | 1:27:28 | 1:27:32 | |
# I see my light come shinin' | 1:27:34 | 1:27:40 | |
# From the west down to the east | 1:27:43 | 1:27:48 | |
# Any day now, any day now | 1:27:50 | 1:27:58 | |
# I shall be released | 1:27:58 | 1:28:03 | |
# Any day now, any day now | 1:28:06 | 1:28:14 | |
# I shall be released. # | 1:28:14 | 1:28:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 | |
Let's listen to that one. | 1:28:33 | 1:28:35 |