The Byrd Who Flew Alone: The Triumphs and Tragedy of Gene Clark


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So what's your very best memory of Gene?

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Standing in the Third Street Studios

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with the rest of us singing Tambourine Man

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and I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better

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and watching Bob Dylan's face light up

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as he realised what was going to happen next in the world

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and what he was going to do next.

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Watching Gene do it right in front of him.

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It was like the birth of a new nation,

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I mean, it was a whole birthing of a new sound, a new genre of music.

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Very, very exciting, no-one had ever heard anything like him before.

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It was just like some kind of incredible,

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beautiful Earth music that this guy made and...nobody else

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that makes that sound, nobody else has that kind of ethereal quality.

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You could not be there and listen to him and listen to the lyrical content

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of his music and not understand that you were listening to a genius.

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I think he is legitimately at least the equal to,

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at least the equal to Gram Parsons

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and should be better remembered as the father of Americana.

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It should have happened. He should have been bigger.

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He sang from his heart and he had great songs.

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Why didn't it work?

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That's the question.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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How important was Gene to The Byrds?

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He was crucial, central, essential...

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..heart and soul.

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He inspired me and he inspired David and Roger,

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he was an incredible writer.

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I watched him go from sort of an

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innocent country boy to road-weary

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and just tired of it all.

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He never felt that elation or that inspiration,

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he never had the peace of all those incredible things he wrote.

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How is it possible someone like that who was so talented,

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so good-looking, such a great singer, could get into such a mess?

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But if anyone had a star written on their passport,

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it was Gene Clark.

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Sometimes you're ahead of your time,

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that kind of genius is always pretty much ahead of his time.

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# When I was a young boy

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# Evening sun went down... #

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It was a country environment.

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He had, like, Gene's parents' home,

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it was back in Swope Park.

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And you had to drive up a long driveway to see their house,

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which was very, very tiny,

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with that many children - they had 13 boys and girls.

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The only utility to that house was a...

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..110... 110 volt electrical wire.

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There was no plumbing,

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there was no heat other than coal and wood burning stoves.

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In a sense, very austere,

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as far as material values and things like that.

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Most of what we did,

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we did ourselves.

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We had some chickens, we had cows,

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we had...we did our milking,

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we even did our meat butchering to a certain degree.

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We didn't know how poor we were. We had no idea.

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That was just our reality and until we started going to school

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with some children that were much better off than we were,

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we didn't know we were deprived in any way at all,

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and there were all the play times in the woods,

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that was good times.

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We'd just get away from everything,

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and get out in the woods and use our imaginations

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to create whatever we wanted to.

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# Hours of joy when I was just a boy

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# And never wrong I knew

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# Kites of red would fly above my head

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# The birds would sing their song... #

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We actually grew up with a wide, wide range of music

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that we'd listen to. We'd listen to, of course, the Grand Ole Opry,

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that was a staple and I was the one that brought rock into the house,

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because I started listening to WREN out of Topeka,

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which was the only rock station in the area at that time.

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Any it was kind of iffy to get that,

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you had to tilt the radio just the right way.

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Gene really picked it up from his father.

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And that's how he learnt, more or less, on his father's guitar.

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And they sat on the porch and they sang old songs.

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I think that that got Gene's interest.

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The first thing I ever saw him pick up and play was a mandolin.

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I think it was because of his age and its size,

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maybe because of the fit.

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And he was always on the bed playing the guitar and writing songs

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and he probably wrote 30, 40 songs

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that I don't know where they're at today, but...

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When you tried to talk to Gene while he was trying to think,

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he was hard to get to.

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# Oh, my love

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# Come on to me... #

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I recorded my first record,

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single record,

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when I was 14 years old.

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It was called Blue Ribbon,

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and I recorded it with

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Joe Myers and The Sharks.

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That was the main band that I had in high school.

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They would start to play at the Coke Bar and it was jam-packed,

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just because they were so good.

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I knew he wanted to make it his life.

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I mean, I didn't know that it would go on to be the, you know,

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the big music carrier.

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I saw him more maybe as a country star.

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Maybe just, you know, where he started out - doing school dances

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and playing in some bars and things like that.

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And I think that he would have been comfortable with that life.

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I think that stardom took him unaware,

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and I don't think he was prepared for it.

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# ..trade those ribbons

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# For a love that is true. #

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'I'm very pleased to welcome to the Hootenanny Show for the first time,

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'The New Christy Minstrels.'

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# Green, green, it's green, they say On the far side of the hill

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# Green, green, I'm going away To where the grass is greener still

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# Well, now, I told my mama on the day I was born

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# Don't you cry when you see I'm gone... #

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# And there ain't no woman gonna settle me down

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# I just gotta be travelling on... #

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Everybody, come on!

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# Green, green, it's green they say... #

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Back in '63,

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The New Christy Minstrels

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were riding this crest of success and popularity.

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It was a wonderful ride for all of us.

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We were recognisable in the street, in restaurants and stuff like that.

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It was a very heady, you know, wonderful experience.

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We were performing in Kansas City and one night, Nick Woods

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came back into the hotel and said, "You come with me, come with me."

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And so, Randy and I went with him to this little club,

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Randy Sparks was the founder and director of the group,

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and he said, "You've got to see this guy, you've got to see this guy."

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So we went to see and, you know, there he was,

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Gene Clark was singing with this, I think it was a trio,

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it might have been a quartet, but I think it was a trio.

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# Well, I hope to tell you, Johnny That I lay that rifle down... #

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I still remember the song he was singing.

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It was...cos it just so indelibly imprinted itself into me,

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he was...so intense,

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and he had this great look

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and this real piercing countenance, you know,

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and when he sang, he really sang the songs and we went, "Wow!"

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And we were looking for a replacement in the Christies

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and we had all just said, "He's the guy, if he'll come with us."

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He made up his mind immediately, you know, what an opportunity!

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So he went with The Christy Minstrels and did good.

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Mum was beside herself, I mean,

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she just broke down and shook like a leaf and everything else,

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she was so afraid of all kinds of things, you know.

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And some of her worst fears did eventually come true.

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# The cabin door was standing open

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# On that wild and lonely night

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# And the hound dog, he lay a-dyin'

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# In the gloomy candlelight... #

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'He wasn't with the Minstrels that long...'

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Thank you.

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..but he certainly was a significant part of the group for me.

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At this time, we'd like to do a little song

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about a very intelligent mule by the name of Billy.

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I don't know that The New Christy Minstrels music

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was exactly what Gene wanted to do,

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because we did Randy Sparks' songs,

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and Randy Sparks at the time was writing silly little ditties.

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They were fun...

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-HE SINGS:

-# Billy's mule can tow the wagon

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# He can pull a plough

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# He can figure 'rithmetic and milk a muley cow... #

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That's not what Gene wanted to sing.

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# Billy's mule can tow the wagon He can pull a plough

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# He can figure 'rithmetic and milk a muley cow

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# There's a famous mule named Francis in the magazines I've read

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# I mentioned him to Billy's mule This is what he said... #

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'I think that was one of the reasons

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'he was kind of standoffish in the Christy Minstrels,'

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because we were all in-your-face egos

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trying to outperform each other.

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He wasn't "egoically" driven, he was artistically driven.

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And I think that's what's the difference in the Minstrels,

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as an artist, he wanted to do art

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and not just go out and sing louder than everybody else.

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He tried to present some of his material to them

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and, of course, their policy and stuff like was...

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that didn't work, you know.

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I think he came to the realisation, in the Christy Minstrels,

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that fame and fortune is not what he was after.

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I mean, it's OK, but that's not the carrot,

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the carrot is to be, to have a platform to paint your art

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and I think the Christies was not that place for Gene.

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He needed a different outlet for his art.

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# Step by step Keep a-travellin' on

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# Follow the drinking gourd

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# Sleep in the hollow till the daylight is gone

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# Follow

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# The drinking gourd. #

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I'd been inspired by The Beatles

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to take old folk songs, like...

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-HE SINGS:

-# The water is wide I cannot cross over... #

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And put a Beatle beat to it, like...

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-HE SINGS:

-# The water is wide I cannot cross... #

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And I was doing that at The Troubadour

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and most of the audience was not appreciating it,

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but Gene Clark did, he came backstage and he said,

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"I like what you're doing, let's write some songs."

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So Gene and I sat down in the little front room of The Troubadour,

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where they sold picks and strings,

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a place called The Folk Den, and started writing songs.

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We were out in the hallway singing

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something, David walked up and he started singing with us,

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it was totally magic and we knew it was there right then.

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They were playing guitars and...

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fooling with these songs that Gene had written.

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I was instantly attracted

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to the songs.

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# The reason why

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# Oh, I can say

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# I had to let you go, babe

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# And right away

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# After what you did

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# I can't stay on

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# And I'll probably feel a whole lot better when you're gone... #

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One of the reasons the music was good is he didn't know the rules...

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at all.

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Knew nothing about it.

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Figured out a chord on his own.

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Figured out another chord,

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put these chords together and then made up the third,

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he hadn't a clue.

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It was very, very refreshing.

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It didn't take long, we'd been inspired by The Beatles,

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for us to realise we needed a bass player and a drummer

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so that's when we got Chris Hillman and Michael Clarke

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to play bass and drums.

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Then we had the band. We had a band.

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THEY SING

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We were as strange a band as I could have imagined because there

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are no five more different human beings that I could possibly devise.

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Completely different people.

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Barely able to speak the same language.

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And yet, chemistry happened.

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And I think it was Gene, a lot, that made the chemistry happen.

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I ended up living with Gene and Michael Clarke.

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We had a tiny little house in Los Angeles.

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Just a little side on this.

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Here we are, poor, and we're getting the band going.

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We are starving and Gene

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and I both were really passing bad cheques to get groceries.

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The minute we made it within six or eight months, we started to make it.

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We had a hit with Tambourine Man. We were working in clubs.

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Gene Clark went back to the landlady and paid the back rent.

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I'll never forget that.

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The Byrds is here!

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It was a tremendous change from being on the street.

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Literally taking buses to rehearsal

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and having one hamburger a day for our meals.

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To having a number one hit.

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I remember we went to Columbia Records

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and sat in the reception area.

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And the secretary didn't know who we were.

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And she was treating us officiously.

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And then she went back and found out we were Columbia's number one act,

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and, "Can I get you anything? Coffee?"

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And I could feel the couch we were on go up like an elevator.

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It's like we went up 40 storeys.

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It was...

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..a lot of fun at first.

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We were driving down Sunset Boulevard...

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..in a '56 black Ford station wagon we had brought from Odetta.

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And the big rock radio station played it and then they played it again.

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They played it two times in a row.

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And we pulled over and we were jumping up and down.

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We were completely freaked out.

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Nobody had ever done that with a song before on the radio. Ever.

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People were talking about The Beatles and Dylan and The Byrds

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as the three bands or people at that time most influential.

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They lit the world on fire. And then they were anointed by The Beatles.

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And that was it. The Byrds were our Beatles.

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# There is a season

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# Turn, Turn, Turn

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# And a time to every purpose, under Heaven. #

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Once you're on an airplane, you're flying to London, England,

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hanging out with The Beatles and Rolling Stones with gigantic crowds

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it's kind of a shocker.

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And at that time I never envisioned there would be any problems.

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# A time to laugh, a time to weep. #

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Gene was the creative glue.

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He wrote those songs that constituted 80% of the albums.

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Gene really wrote a lot of songs.

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He would write five or six songs a week and Mike

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and I would work them up with him

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before we showed them to Roger and David.

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Three of those five or six would be masterpieces.

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That's how good he was. Very prolific.

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Very prolific writer.

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# Hallways and staircases everyday to climb... #

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Gene initially was excited about the success

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but then it started to bother him. The pressure of it.

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The pressure to maintain the success, to write more songs,

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started to bother him.

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On the first album he was the only one who got a lot of money

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and that was about a year after we started the group.

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So the rest of us were still taking buses and walking around LA

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and he had a little MG and he was driving around in it.

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It created a bit of tension between the members of the band.

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Supposedly when the first cheques came in, everyone got 4,000

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and Gene got 47,000 and went out and bought a Porsche,

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it was kind of instant hatred and jealousy.

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You take a group of young men...

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..very different young men.

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Uh...

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..give them some money...

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..introduce them to drugs.

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I don't think there was anything wrong with the fact that we

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all of the sudden got laid a lot.

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But the money and the drugs...

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HE WHISTLES

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That will do it every time.

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He wasn't suited to taking any kind of drug

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and it brought out the worst in him.

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And if you throw all that in with the pressure of being a teen idol,

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the travelling, the songwriting and everything else,

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all those things together seem to culminate on

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the 27th of February, '66.

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We were flying to New York to do a Murray the K special.

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This is maybe a year and a half into The Byrds, something like that.

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Gene was already on the plane when I got there

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and he was in a cold sweat.

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And he was going, "I can't stay on this plane."

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And being a sensitive person,

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I thought, "Maybe he knows something.

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"Maybe he's picking up on something wrong with the plane."

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He said, "I can't stay on the plane and I have to get off."

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Big moment.

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Stood up, looked at us...

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..got off the plane.

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And I said, "Gene, you can't be a Byrd..."

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..If you can't fly.

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-And...

-That was it.

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I had no idea he had a problem flying. I had no idea.

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We had flown all over the place. I had no idea.

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I remember the day he got off the plane.

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But up until then I had no idea.

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There were other issues involved.

0:22:300:22:32

I remember he came to my house in Laurel Canyon and I said,

0:22:330:22:37

"I don't think you should do this.

0:22:370:22:39

"Why are you leaving?"

0:22:390:22:40

And he just wanted to do something else at the time.

0:22:420:22:45

MUSIC: "Eight Miles High"

0:22:450:22:47

The falling out of The Byrds was really a mistake.

0:22:520:22:56

It was not on purpose by anybody's purpose.

0:22:560:22:59

It only had to do with a bunch of guys who made it so big

0:22:590:23:02

when they were 19,

0:23:020:23:04

20 and 21 years old that they could not possibly fucking handle it.

0:23:040:23:08

I'm sure the management was looking at it like,

0:23:400:23:43

"OK, we can't force him to stay in the band.

0:23:430:23:46

"Maybe he can have a nice solo career and do that?"

0:23:460:23:50

# On the streets you look again

0:23:500:23:53

# At the places you have been

0:23:530:23:55

# For the moments that you thought Where am I going? #

0:23:560:23:59

Gene was experiencing, for the first time, horizontal income.

0:24:010:24:06

By that, I mean lie down on your couch and don't do anything

0:24:060:24:10

and you're making money.

0:24:100:24:12

He was making it off his songs and he instantly recognised what the

0:24:120:24:16

songwriting career was doing for him.

0:24:160:24:20

A lot of people that came to Gene Clark later tend to

0:24:200:24:23

think of him as the mystical poet or person that had come from a rural

0:24:230:24:28

background, and that was part of his personality, as well, of course.

0:24:280:24:33

But he really did love the Hollywood lifestyle. He liked the fast cars.

0:24:340:24:39

He liked the live dancers, the glamorous models.

0:24:390:24:42

We had very little information about how his life was going.

0:24:420:24:46

I had no idea he was dating Michelle Phillips for a while.

0:24:460:24:49

-I found about that later.

-He was the first guy to make money in The Byrds.

0:24:510:24:55

Went out and bought a Ferrari.

0:24:550:24:58

Didn't see him happy because of that.

0:24:580:25:00

So all the money in the world and all the things you can acquire

0:25:000:25:04

and all the adulation is not the ticket to happiness.

0:25:040:25:07

One wouldn't know at a young age.

0:25:080:25:11

The world is open to him at that time.

0:25:110:25:13

He can be Bob Dylan plus, with Echoes.

0:25:130:25:18

He can still be the folk guy,

0:25:180:25:20

he can be the rock'n'roll guy, or he can go on the country route.

0:25:200:25:23

# Stopped this morning on my way back home

0:25:230:25:28

# I had to realise this time that I'd be

0:25:280:25:32

# All alone... #

0:25:320:25:36

The first Gene Clark solo album

0:25:360:25:38

is not just the beginning of... in many ways...

0:25:380:25:40

Who knows when country rock began?

0:25:400:25:42

It doesn't matter, but in many ways it kick-started what

0:25:420:25:46

we now know as country rock.

0:25:460:25:48

I worked with the Gosdins and Vern and Rex were straight country.

0:25:480:25:53

He was really thrown by Byrds fans not grasping what

0:25:530:25:56

he was doing with this country-esque music.

0:25:560:25:58

-They wanted...

-SINGS "EIGHT MILES HIGH" GUITAR LINE

0:25:580:26:02

..the Eight Miles High, John Coltrane modal solos

0:26:020:26:05

and they got none of that.

0:26:050:26:07

Had Echoes been a hit, I think Gene would have moved in that direction.

0:26:070:26:12

I think he was very proud of that.

0:26:140:26:17

When it failed, I think he...

0:26:170:26:23

he lost confidence in that direction.

0:26:230:26:28

I think he kind of floundered

0:26:280:26:30

and couldn't really find the right voice or the right vehicle.

0:26:300:26:35

Not until we got to Dillard & Clark.

0:26:350:26:38

Doug Dillard was a giant in music at that time,

0:26:380:26:41

in country music, because he was generally regarded as being

0:26:410:26:45

one of the greatest banjo players in the country.

0:26:450:26:48

He was in the Dillards, who were the great bluegrass group

0:26:480:26:53

and they hailed from Missouri, the same state as Gene.

0:26:530:26:56

So he had a strong empathy with Doug Dillard.

0:26:560:27:00

And Doug Dillard was good and bad for Gene Clark.

0:27:000:27:03

I had breakfast with Gene and Doug. It was 10:30 in the morning.

0:27:030:27:07

At the Hamburger Hamlet on Hollywood Boulevard. Never forget.

0:27:070:27:10

And when they ordered Martinis, I went,

0:27:120:27:14

"There's something afoot here."

0:27:140:27:16

Doug probably needed no help to start the evening.

0:27:160:27:20

He was probably blasted already.

0:27:200:27:23

Doug could go on three or four day binges

0:27:230:27:26

and somehow still be upright, still play.

0:27:260:27:28

He wanted to form a band and start recording

0:27:280:27:30

with A&M, so Gene was already with A&M and he asked me

0:27:300:27:33

to join him.

0:27:330:27:34

First of all, he approached me about recording

0:27:340:27:37

and then we decided to put the group together.

0:27:370:27:40

Bernie, Leadon, Doug Dillard, Gene and Don Beck,

0:27:400:27:47

and we started showing up at Dillard's house on Beachwood Canyon.

0:27:470:27:53

And without anybody ever calling.

0:27:530:27:57

I don't recall ever getting a call saying,

0:27:580:28:01

"Let's show up tomorrow," or any of that business.

0:28:010:28:06

-We just showed up there.

-We sat down and started writing songs.

0:28:060:28:10

It just sort of came about.

0:28:100:28:12

# And now we shall see what the future will bring

0:28:120:28:16

# As we swing freely as one... #

0:28:160:28:19

Gene would be slumped on the couch, strumming some chords.

0:28:190:28:24

Always interesting chord patterns.

0:28:240:28:27

And spouting some words.

0:28:270:28:28

Often not making any particular sense until much later,

0:28:280:28:32

when things got filled in and he could see where he was going.

0:28:320:28:35

By the end of the day, there was usually a very good song.

0:28:350:28:39

He seemed to really have something that was a little bit

0:28:390:28:42

more into the real soil of American music.

0:28:420:28:47

Coming from Missouri, I think that his roots

0:28:470:28:52

really came through, and of course my idea was that when he hung around

0:28:520:28:58

the Dillards, and the Dillards were rootsy kind of players, you know?

0:28:580:29:02

# I lost ten points just for being in the right place

0:29:020:29:08

# At exactly the wrong time... #

0:29:080:29:12

I was real into starting into the contemporary country thing.

0:29:120:29:17

Of course, that was before the Flying Burrito Brothers

0:29:170:29:21

and The Eagles and everybody else.

0:29:210:29:23

There was no sense of breaking ground.

0:29:240:29:27

No sense of what was to come from this.

0:29:270:29:31

It was just one note at a time. One line at a time.

0:29:310:29:36

And a lot of Martinis.

0:29:360:29:38

And an interspersion of LSD.

0:29:390:29:41

They'd come to the studio and we'd start to play and it was just magic.

0:29:410:29:45

And it was a perfect vehicle for Gene.

0:29:450:29:49

He kind of found his vehicle and his voice at the same time.

0:29:490:29:53

So we had a great time making that album.

0:29:530:29:56

Didn't take very long, happened organically.

0:29:560:29:59

So here we are, we've made the album,

0:29:590:30:01

we're going to open at the Troubadour.

0:30:010:30:03

It's Tuesday night and the press is there.

0:30:030:30:07

So we go to the Troubadour about three or four o'clock

0:30:070:30:10

for the sound check, set up, do the sound check, everything is fine.

0:30:100:30:14

I drive back to Santa Monica, where I was living at the time,

0:30:140:30:18

take a nap, take a shower,

0:30:180:30:19

get ready for the evening's festivities,

0:30:190:30:22

drive back around 7:30, or 8:00 or 9:00, 8:30, I suppose,

0:30:220:30:26

and the doorman says, "You need to go next door to Dan Tanna's."

0:30:260:30:32

"Why do I need to do that?" Knowing full well.

0:30:320:30:35

And he said, "Well, apparently, they have taken LSD

0:30:360:30:42

"and they are drinking Martinis and have been since the sound check."

0:30:420:30:48

Which was over about 4:30, and so, yeah, sure enough,

0:30:480:30:52

I go over there and they are happy.

0:30:520:30:54

So now we get on, it's time to go,

0:30:550:30:58

we get on the stage and the lights come up,

0:30:580:31:01

and Gene is sitting on his amplifier facing the wall.

0:31:010:31:04

Douglas has a violin in his hand

0:31:050:31:09

with one of Douglas's massive smiles

0:31:090:31:15

and he has got this fiddle in his hand and he is ready to play.

0:31:150:31:17

He's got the bow on the thing, but there is no Gene

0:31:170:31:20

and we get it going,

0:31:200:31:21

we got through that first song, and at the very end Douglas is

0:31:210:31:25

holding the note like this, playing away like this,

0:31:250:31:27

and all of a sudden he leans down and puts the violin on the floor

0:31:270:31:30

and jumps up in the air and lands on the violin,

0:31:300:31:33

breaking the entire instrument.

0:31:330:31:35

Little Don Beck looks at me and he says,

0:31:350:31:37

"Well, I think that's enough for me,"

0:31:370:31:39

and turns around and walks off the stage and leaves.

0:31:390:31:42

This is the end of the first song.

0:31:420:31:45

Dillard & Clark, that first album, was a beautiful record

0:31:450:31:49

and I think a portent of what was to come.

0:31:490:31:53

You know...it hit a groove that a lot of people were getting into

0:31:530:31:58

and enjoying tremendously and... But that spluttered out.

0:31:580:32:04

I don't know the reasons.

0:32:040:32:05

I remember the second album.

0:32:050:32:07

I remember when Donna Washburn appeared on the scene.

0:32:070:32:11

She was Doug's girlfriend and really had a big voice. A lot to say.

0:32:120:32:19

A lot to say about what was going to go on

0:32:190:32:22

and she wanted a major piece of...

0:32:220:32:25

you know, the presence on stage and in the recording,

0:32:250:32:30

so the band, you know, dramatically changed and the personnel changed

0:32:300:32:36

and the fun kind of went out of the band.

0:32:360:32:40

And all of a sudden, we just didn't show up at the house any more.

0:32:400:32:43

The songs didn't get written any longer.

0:32:430:32:46

Gene was at that point again in his life

0:32:460:32:48

and this repeated over and over again

0:32:480:32:50

where he was done with that and he was ready to move on.

0:32:500:32:54

And I think at that time he decided he was going to exit

0:32:550:32:59

the Hollywood world.

0:32:590:33:01

MUSIC: "1975" by Gene Clark

0:33:010:33:04

When Gene moved to Mendocino and out of Los Angeles, I think he was

0:33:410:33:46

looking for a return to a more peaceful way of life.

0:33:460:33:51

He was looking for hours of joy.

0:33:510:33:54

He was burnt out, fed up with the rat race,

0:33:540:33:57

so I think he was pretty much going to be satisfied with doing

0:33:570:34:02

a little writing and stuff like this and... He wanted a family.

0:34:020:34:07

At least he thought he wanted a family, let's put it that way.

0:34:070:34:11

One day I came home from work and it was up in the hills

0:34:110:34:14

and it was a really hot day in LA and he was on a beautiful bike

0:34:140:34:17

and asked me if I wanted to take a ride to the beach.

0:34:170:34:20

So we did, we rode down to the state beach and watched the sunset

0:34:200:34:26

and the rest is history.

0:34:260:34:29

# She went off to the city

0:34:290:34:33

# To find what she was looking for... #

0:34:330:34:38

I met Carlie briefly in '69 when I was out there.

0:34:380:34:41

He had just gotten to where he knew...

0:34:410:34:43

Got acquainted with her and it was just a thing...

0:34:430:34:47

He was pushing me out the door while she was coming in.

0:34:470:34:51

Little brother wasn't going to be around for this one.

0:34:510:34:54

All the guys used to, when they were on...

0:34:540:34:57

When they had time in LA,

0:34:570:34:59

they all went to Big Sur, and Gene was never that much of a social

0:34:590:35:03

butterfly, in that he liked hanging out and he was pretty much

0:35:030:35:09

an isolationist at times, especially when he wanted to write.

0:35:090:35:13

And so I think that Gene probably just kept on driving

0:35:130:35:17

and found Mendocino on his own because when we moved there,

0:35:170:35:22

he said he never told anybody else about Mendocino,

0:35:220:35:25

nor had he ever taken anyone there.

0:35:250:35:27

So I think that was his private meditation place.

0:35:270:35:31

# And that life forms are insane... #

0:35:340:35:37

Being in nature and, you know, being up here in Mendocino

0:35:440:35:50

and having this wonderful land around him and being free, you know.

0:35:500:35:55

Being free of all the stress and all the...

0:35:550:36:00

chaos that had gone on in his life during his fame and everything else.

0:36:000:36:06

I think what made him most happy was to let go of all that

0:36:060:36:10

and just kind of be out in nature and relax and enjoy it.

0:36:100:36:15

We were just driving around one day

0:36:150:36:17

and here at the end of this ridge was this big old Victorian farmhouse

0:36:170:36:22

standing at the end of the road overlooking the ocean.

0:36:220:36:25

I said, "Wow, can you imagine living there?"

0:36:250:36:28

He said, "Yeah, I think we should."

0:36:280:36:29

And he had just met Carlie

0:36:290:36:31

and his love for her or their mutual love was...

0:36:310:36:35

She had the same idea, you know,

0:36:350:36:38

although she had never been country person but...

0:36:380:36:41

You know, it was a real dream that they had.

0:36:410:36:44

MUSIC: "Spanish Guitar" by Gene Clark

0:36:440:36:46

# To play on a Spanish guitar

0:36:460:36:49

# With the sun shining down where you are

0:36:510:36:55

# Skipping and singing a bar

0:36:570:37:01

# From music around

0:37:010:37:05

# Just to laugh through the columns of trees

0:37:080:37:13

# To soar like a seagull in breeze

0:37:150:37:19

# To stand in the rain if you please

0:37:200:37:25

# Or to never be found... #

0:37:250:37:28

Of course, we moved up there for keeps, but it wasn't long before

0:37:280:37:32

we had to have a house in LA too and we would go back and forth.

0:37:320:37:35

But Mendocino was always our home base. It's what kept him sane.

0:37:350:37:38

The next year, I guess '71, they got married here on the land.

0:37:380:37:43

And we were tight, you know, close.

0:37:460:37:50

There was always a lot of partying and...

0:37:500:37:53

Not wild parties, just people congregating a lot,

0:37:550:37:59

sitting around in the yard, driving here and there, meeting people.

0:37:590:38:04

Hanging out like that, not in bars. That wasn't until later.

0:38:070:38:12

Jerry Moss was a big fan of the Byrds and a big fan of Gene

0:38:120:38:18

and the writing he did and all the times when Gene hated to

0:38:180:38:23

leave Mendocino, he had a two-record contract,

0:38:230:38:26

two-record-a-year contract,

0:38:260:38:28

and Jerry would actually come to Mendocino and talk Gene into...

0:38:280:38:33

"It'll be OK, I'll put you here, you can bring Carlie..."

0:38:330:38:37

The next step, because we still liked Gene, was for him

0:38:370:38:41

to put some songs together.

0:38:410:38:43

Go into a studio, just make some demos, see how he sounds,

0:38:430:38:46

see what musicians he organised to work with.

0:38:460:38:51

And see if it was worth making a record.

0:38:510:38:54

# The village of the hills

0:38:540:38:56

# Sitting silently at will

0:38:560:38:58

# Like some prophecy forgotten by an age... #

0:38:580:39:05

It is a shame that that early 1970s singer-songwriter crowd,

0:39:050:39:10

that whole movement, was huge in the States, huge.

0:39:100:39:13

James Taylor on the cover of Time magazine. Oh, my God!

0:39:130:39:17

It's amazing that Gene somehow missed that particular

0:39:170:39:20

ship as it left the harbour.

0:39:200:39:22

He was tailor-made for it with a record like White Light.

0:39:220:39:25

I suppose it's that he didn't play the record company game

0:39:250:39:28

of touring and calling radio stations and so on and so forth.

0:39:280:39:31

A&M was largely an artist sort of label

0:39:310:39:34

and we sort of let the artist do what they wanted to do.

0:39:340:39:37

We present opportunities -

0:39:370:39:40

you could do this, you could do that -

0:39:400:39:42

and if they choose them, that was great,

0:39:420:39:45

but if you didn't want to do certain things,

0:39:450:39:48

well, then you didn't want to do certain things, you know.

0:39:480:39:52

And, obviously, the only other thing was, at some point,

0:39:520:39:57

we would not be able to continue with you

0:39:570:40:00

because we couldn't keep promoting and putting money into artists

0:40:000:40:05

that weren't willing to go out and promote the stuff, you know.

0:40:050:40:08

# From a place that I can call my home... #

0:40:080:40:17

It looked like what had happened was they were coming up with

0:40:170:40:20

a pretty strong follow-up to White Light and it seems to be that

0:40:200:40:25

what happened was A&M was getting nervous.

0:40:250:40:28

They pulled the plug because they thought,

0:40:280:40:30

"We're going to have another fine record but our artist isn't going to play the game."

0:40:300:40:33

I don't think that Gene ever didn't seem to react to success

0:40:330:40:37

or not success.

0:40:370:40:38

You know, the bottom line is there were still royalty cheques coming

0:40:380:40:44

and he was happy in Mendocino.

0:40:440:40:46

# I remember the railroad line. #

0:40:460:40:54

We had these two beautiful, adorable children

0:40:570:41:01

and we had this beautiful house overlooking the ocean.

0:41:010:41:04

We could see the ships pass in the night on the horizon.

0:41:040:41:09

We'd wake up and have breakfast till noon and then take a walk or...

0:41:090:41:15

You know, it was a fantasy.

0:41:150:41:18

Gene's interaction with LA after he went up to Mendocino,

0:41:180:41:25

and the music industry altogether, was,

0:41:250:41:28

I think it was a compulsion as much of anything.

0:41:280:41:32

Once you're a top-seated rock'n'roll star,

0:41:320:41:35

you don't just get over that overnight.

0:41:350:41:38

You know, that doesn't go away.

0:41:380:41:40

# Funny how the circle turns around

0:41:400:41:45

# First you're up and then you're down again... #

0:41:450:41:52

David Crosby came over to my house in Malibu,

0:41:520:41:54

accompanied by Elliot Roberts

0:41:540:41:56

and the two of them sat me down and said,

0:41:560:41:59

"You know, some of that stuff you're doing as The Byrds is OK,

0:41:590:42:02

"and some of it isn't.

0:42:020:42:04

"Some of it isn't. And the Byrds brand ought to be better than that.

0:42:040:42:09

"What I would like to propose is that we get all the original

0:42:090:42:12

"members back together and do an album like that."

0:42:120:42:15

Gene was really excited about it and there had been some differences with

0:42:150:42:21

various combinations of the guys and things, but David Crosby

0:42:210:42:26

was in one of his real control trips then,

0:42:260:42:29

but he knew what he was doing too.

0:42:290:42:32

It was amazing, because sitting in the studio

0:42:320:42:36

and hearing what they were doing was as good or better

0:42:360:42:39

than anything I ever heard of The Byrds.

0:42:390:42:42

What was released wasn't that same... The magic wasn't there.

0:42:420:42:48

She's right.

0:42:480:42:50

She's right. It could have been so much better.

0:42:520:42:55

If we had gone at it from the point of view of the songs

0:42:570:43:01

and left the freaking history behind...

0:43:010:43:03

..could've been a great record.

0:43:060:43:09

# And if it's right

0:43:090:43:12

# Brings it back again. #

0:43:120:43:15

Crosby had really the finest pot I'd ever smoked. It was...

0:43:170:43:22

I don't know how much THC was in it

0:43:220:43:24

but it was, like, ten times more than usual.

0:43:240:43:26

You would take a couple of hits and you're floating round the room.

0:43:260:43:29

There was cocaine and... It was a big party.

0:43:290:43:32

It was a party more than a recording session.

0:43:320:43:35

They could have made a fantastic album.

0:43:350:43:38

I was looking forward to it and when I was finished, there were

0:43:380:43:43

maybe three good songs, and two of them were Gene's.

0:43:430:43:46

That were far, far better than anything else.

0:43:480:43:51

# You can tell a change of heart

0:43:510:43:55

# Two faces smiled and yet there is no joy... #

0:43:570:44:00

Gene shined on that record. A couple of great songs saved the record.

0:44:000:44:06

The rest of us handed in some unfinished things

0:44:060:44:10

that I didn't feel were that good.

0:44:100:44:12

The Byrds reunion album was released on Asylum Records

0:44:120:44:16

which was the young, thrusting label of the time.

0:44:160:44:19

They had Joni Mitchell on there, they had Jackson Browne,

0:44:190:44:21

they'd even signed Bob Dylan, for goodness' sake.

0:44:210:44:24

It was the most exciting label to be on, and David Geffen, shrewd,

0:44:240:44:30

could see that Gene Clark was a real talent

0:44:300:44:32

and this was the platform, the perfect platform for Gene Clark.

0:44:320:44:37

Once he was signed to Asylum,

0:44:370:44:39

it was a perfect opportunity for him to make THE Gene Clark record.

0:44:390:44:45

I was producing Bob Newerth for Asylum and David Geffen called me

0:44:580:45:03

to ask me who I'd like to produce next, Gene Clark or Jackson Browne.

0:45:030:45:08

I said Gene Clark, cos I thought that Jackson Browne, you know,

0:45:080:45:11

didn't need to have a producer at the time.

0:45:110:45:15

I've always been a fan of Gene's, so that's how that came about.

0:45:150:45:19

We did the No Other album.

0:45:190:45:21

Thomas Jefferson Kaye had vast experience,

0:45:210:45:23

went right back to the '50s.

0:45:230:45:26

He was a producer, he was himself a songwriter and a performer.

0:45:260:45:33

More importantly, he was Gene Clark's soul mate in waiting.

0:45:330:45:37

That was a friendship that matches some of the greatest

0:45:370:45:40

friendships of all time.

0:45:400:45:42

The closeness between Tommy and Gene, as I saw it.

0:45:420:45:45

Tommy was really one of our legendary producers.

0:45:470:45:52

An extremely creative person. And I think he understood Gene

0:45:520:45:56

and Gene's musical talent probably like nobody else did.

0:45:560:45:59

When he signed with Asylum, he went away for a whole year

0:45:590:46:02

and he wrote all the songs.

0:46:020:46:04

Specifically because HE wanted to change his whole trip.

0:46:040:46:08

A lot of the writing that I did had some kind of spiritual things to it.

0:46:210:46:28

It was during a time when I felt like I was doing a lot of soul-searching.

0:46:280:46:32

# Have you seen the silver raven?

0:46:320:46:38

# She has wings and she can fly

0:46:380:46:44

# Far above the darkened waters

0:46:440:46:49

# Far above the troubled sky... #

0:46:490:46:53

He'd go for days.

0:46:540:46:56

Especially when it came close for him to have to record.

0:46:560:46:59

He would just be writing and scratching it out,

0:46:590:47:03

writing and scratching it out, and then, bam!

0:47:030:47:05

It was like a light went through him and then it just came.

0:47:050:47:09

Yeah, it was amazing.

0:47:090:47:11

I've been fortunate in the sense that I've known some really,

0:47:110:47:14

for me, interesting,

0:47:140:47:16

good artists and have witnessed some of their creative processes

0:47:160:47:20

and I don't think I've ever seen anybody like Gene.

0:47:200:47:24

It's just one of those intimate things that you witness

0:47:270:47:30

and you don't disturb it.

0:47:300:47:31

Oh, my God! Where does he get...?

0:47:310:47:32

He doesn't read books, where does he get this...?

0:47:320:47:35

He would come up with these divinely inspired lines and, you know,

0:47:380:47:44

as songwriters, we were begging for that, you know.

0:47:440:47:47

Gene had gone off into this headspace.

0:47:470:47:50

He starts kind of chanting this melody

0:47:500:47:54

and starts scratching words on the paper.

0:47:540:47:56

This went on for an hour or so and by the time that he had quieted

0:47:560:48:01

back down, the hair was standing up all over my arms and everything

0:48:010:48:06

because he went somewhere and I didn't know where that place was.

0:48:060:48:10

I was grateful to have just been sitting there next to him

0:48:100:48:13

while he went through this writing experience.

0:48:130:48:16

This thing came through him, this incredible mysticism.

0:48:160:48:21

Anybody whom I consider a good poet leaves it up to the listeners'

0:48:210:48:25

or the readers' imagination to analyse it in their own situation,

0:48:250:48:29

to kind of apply it to their own life,

0:48:290:48:32

however they want to do it, or to apply it in a real general basis.

0:48:320:48:36

A lot of stuff on No Other, I feel that about.

0:48:360:48:38

# Have you seen the

0:48:380:48:40

# Changing rivers now they wait

0:48:400:48:46

# Their turn to die... #

0:48:460:48:49

Gene played me the songs and I flipped out and he said,

0:48:490:48:53

"Let's go into another...

0:48:530:48:55

"Let's take it to another place musically."

0:48:550:48:57

We spent an awful lot of time.

0:48:590:49:00

It was a very expensive record to make.

0:49:000:49:03

Gene's songs are fairly dark, to say the least.

0:49:030:49:08

But I've worked with people,

0:49:080:49:10

a lot of singer-songwriters are fairly dark.

0:49:100:49:13

It's not like a pop song at all. It was great material to work with.

0:49:130:49:19

It was very creative.

0:49:190:49:20

It left a lot of interpretation for the musicians.

0:49:200:49:23

The songs would evolve by us just playing them.

0:49:230:49:27

The thing that was great in those days was generally

0:49:270:49:29

when you did a session you had a group of musicians in the room.

0:49:290:49:32

The amount of juices that were flowing in the room of ideas

0:49:320:49:36

and stuff was really intense.

0:49:360:49:39

# You say that you don't want no other... #

0:49:390:49:45

So we're in Village, working,

0:49:450:49:48

and Joe Cocker was in the next room working on his album

0:49:480:49:52

and so we were doing this one song and I don't remember which

0:49:520:49:54

song it was, but it was one of those ones where everybody

0:49:540:49:57

kind of looked at each other when we were about halfway through the song

0:49:570:50:00

and we went, "This is the take." You just feel it. It's just...boom!

0:50:000:50:03

It's just locked in. Well, during the course of this,

0:50:030:50:06

Cocker had come from his studio and gone into the control room.

0:50:060:50:10

And was sitting there, just getting into it, totally digging it,

0:50:100:50:15

and at one point, reaches down, hits the button for the talkback,

0:50:150:50:21

and lets out one of his Cocker screams into the microphone.

0:50:210:50:26

Literally blowing the headphones off of everybody's heads.

0:50:260:50:30

Gene busts down the vocal booth to get at Joe to get out of there.

0:50:300:50:35

Joe's handlers grab him, they drag him back to his studio

0:50:350:50:38

and lock the door, cos he wouldn't be alive today,

0:50:380:50:41

cos Gene was a big, tough dude.

0:50:410:50:43

If he'd have gotten his hands on Joe, it would have been all over.

0:50:430:50:46

The result is one of the most astonishing albums of its era,

0:51:000:51:03

and it still sounds great. It's a Technicolor production.

0:51:030:51:07

He throws everything in there.

0:51:070:51:09

He fuses different musical genres

0:51:090:51:11

without any sense of incongruity whatsoever,

0:51:110:51:14

and produces from that something which is just unique,

0:51:140:51:19

and absolutely incredible.

0:51:190:51:23

'David Geffen was furious,

0:51:230:51:24

'because there were only eight songs on the album.

0:51:240:51:27

'He just didn't get behind it.

0:51:270:51:29

'He wouldn't give us any money to go on a tour, subsidise the band.

0:51:290:51:33

'He didn't put anything into that.'

0:51:330:51:34

Another little thing that happened that didn't help that at all

0:51:340:51:37

was when Gene went after David Geffen at Dan Tanna's

0:51:370:51:40

and nearly took his head off.

0:51:400:51:42

From what I understand from the eyewitnesses,

0:51:420:51:45

he literally jumped over the table and took him by the throat.

0:51:450:51:49

Took him right off the chair.

0:51:490:51:51

Gene got so angry right there in the restaurant

0:51:510:51:53

that he punched him out, which isn't real cool in public.

0:51:530:51:58

Not cool at all, but...

0:52:000:52:01

And that was a real blow to his career,

0:52:010:52:04

because Geffen would have been everything for him.

0:52:040:52:07

Like he was for so many people.

0:52:070:52:09

'I was sorely let down after No Other,

0:52:090:52:12

'the fact there wasn't a hit,

0:52:120:52:14

'because I felt it really was

0:52:140:52:15

'a work of art, in its own way.'

0:52:150:52:18

Of course, funny enough, now, particularly here in the UK,

0:52:180:52:21

it's considered a major, prime one, primo example of a lost classic,

0:52:210:52:29

like Forever Changes by Love,

0:52:290:52:31

or the Smile album by the Beach Boys.

0:52:310:52:33

It's just considered... wow, wow, and wow again.

0:52:330:52:37

Nobody knew what was going to go on.

0:52:370:52:40

You know, there was talk of agents and tours and so on and so forth,

0:52:400:52:44

everybody living day to day,

0:52:440:52:46

and going from country house to country house and playing music.

0:52:460:52:51

When we played music, the world was well.

0:52:510:52:54

You know? We'd count off.

0:52:540:52:56

I was the guy to always count off.

0:52:560:52:57

I'd count off the tunes,

0:52:570:52:59

and the world was right.

0:52:590:53:02

Soon as the music stopped,

0:53:020:53:04

it was chaos.

0:53:040:53:06

# Seems my dreams are the wings of a spirit

0:53:060:53:13

# This vessel's sails can't fill without... #

0:53:150:53:20

'I didn't do anything for a while,

0:53:210:53:24

'and then Tommy and I got back together,

0:53:240:53:26

'and we independently produced

0:53:260:53:28

'Two Sides To Every Story.'

0:53:280:53:30

The RSO album, Two Sides To Every Story,

0:53:300:53:33

was pretty much as we now know, his last chance, and I think...

0:53:330:53:39

He did too little, too late,

0:53:400:53:41

and he should have been doing that all along.

0:53:410:53:44

It's a really fine record in its own sweet way,

0:53:440:53:46

but it's a bit out of time, because he is on the cover as

0:53:460:53:50

this rustic, bearded man,

0:53:500:53:51

which would have been fantastic five years earlier.

0:53:510:53:54

By '77, after disco, with punk/new wave coming in,

0:53:540:53:57

everybody was clean-shaven and a bit more coiffed

0:53:570:54:00

and a bit more well groomed.

0:54:000:54:02

It's just...

0:54:020:54:03

He continually missed ships leaving the harbour,

0:54:030:54:06

in terms of a metaphor for his career.

0:54:060:54:09

It's just heartbreaking.

0:54:090:54:11

I don't think that he enjoyed success.

0:54:110:54:13

I think it was a hugely confusing thing for him.

0:54:130:54:17

I think he was never comfortable with being somebody,

0:54:170:54:21

and not feeling it in here.

0:54:210:54:23

# Weigh the anchor once more... #

0:54:230:54:27

He would do what he liked,

0:54:270:54:29

he would do his music, he would be very happy.

0:54:290:54:32

Then things would start getting complicated,

0:54:320:54:36

because then it would be contracts and managers

0:54:360:54:39

and recording and the business, and that's when he would withdraw,

0:54:390:54:43

and that's when he would go off to the left a little bit sometimes.

0:54:430:54:47

Al Coury was the president of RSO Records, and...

0:54:470:54:53

..and...

0:54:570:54:58

..and they had a dinner for Gene that night.

0:54:590:55:02

They were going to talk over deals and, you know, wheeling and dealing.

0:55:020:55:09

And Gene came in late, and he came in drunk, and he had his old,

0:55:090:55:13

dirty boots on, you know, and he puts them up on the table.

0:55:130:55:16

Comes in, put his feet up on the table...yeah.

0:55:160:55:19

He's having a drink and he looks over at Al Coury, and he says,

0:55:210:55:25

"You look like Sonny Bono."

0:55:250:55:27

Which he did, actually, he looked like Sonny Bono!

0:55:280:55:31

He said, "You look like Sonny Bono."

0:55:310:55:34

And...yeah, and that did it.

0:55:340:55:35

That sealed it. Right there. You know?

0:55:350:55:37

Gene always had these great opportunities.

0:55:370:55:42

He always had a record deal, and they were behind him,

0:55:420:55:45

and he'd make a great record, and then it would fall apart.

0:55:450:55:49

The minute it was time to go out the gates,

0:55:490:55:52

the horse is trained and it's lined up to race.

0:55:520:55:55

The gate opens and the horse falls over.

0:55:550:55:57

That's what would happen.

0:55:580:56:00

Every time. And you're going, "What? What is that?" You know?

0:56:000:56:03

When he did the RKO album, they had decided that

0:56:030:56:08

they couldn't afford to have Kelly and Kai and I live there,

0:56:080:56:11

that they were just going to put Gene up,

0:56:110:56:13

and for me to stay in Mendocino.

0:56:130:56:15

And then I found out that he had gotten a house,

0:56:150:56:17

and there was a gal living there with him.

0:56:170:56:19

So, that was it. And, in retrospect...

0:56:190:56:24

I would have handled it completely different.

0:56:260:56:29

But I was mad, and I just told him I was going to go to Hawaii.

0:56:290:56:35

He...

0:56:350:56:36

was drinking a lot, and it was just...

0:56:360:56:39

It was like I stepped out of what I thought was a fantasy,

0:56:390:56:44

and realised in retrospect that it was insanity.

0:56:440:56:47

# Look around, little darling

0:56:490:56:54

# Do you know who I am?

0:56:560:57:01

# I'm as much your reflection

0:57:030:57:07

# As I am my own man... #

0:57:090:57:14

I don't think he expected it. I think that he had this...

0:57:170:57:22

vision in his mind that he could have both lives.

0:57:220:57:26

And the choice was made for him more than he made it.

0:57:260:57:31

And that's another thing, I think, that bothered him deeply,

0:57:310:57:34

is because that had to be walked out on.

0:57:340:57:39

You know, damaged him immensely.

0:57:390:57:43

You know, that carefree, friendly guy that moved up here was disappearing.

0:57:430:57:48

Even though he was always nice, but he had this dark streak, really.

0:57:490:57:54

# Watch the sun's fading embers

0:57:550:58:00

# Hear the wind as she cries. #

0:58:020:58:10

After having lived in Hawaii for three or four months, I just...

0:58:150:58:19

I couldn't feature living in that insanity any more, you know?

0:58:190:58:25

The drinking was out of control.

0:58:250:58:27

You know, like, Gene has enough Indian in him that

0:58:280:58:32

when he drinks, you know, he's not himself.

0:58:320:58:36

He would tell you that, that he actually is

0:58:360:58:39

up looking at himself when he's drinking.

0:58:390:58:42

I knew two Gene Clarks, as a lot of people did,

0:58:420:58:45

and the Gene Clark in Mendocino was this kick-back,

0:58:450:58:48

totally a cowboy kind of person, that kind of person.

0:58:480:58:51

In LA, his notoriety had been with The Byrds

0:58:510:58:56

and The Byrds were, in a way, like The Beatles to us,

0:58:560:58:58

and you know, that was one of The Beatles' favourite bands

0:58:580:59:01

in the beginning, so in LA, he was very famous.

0:59:010:59:07

And so he did have a totally different persona.

0:59:070:59:10

# I can only make guesses

0:59:110:59:15

# On some of my past addresses

0:59:150:59:19

# And tell you what my broken memory recalls

0:59:210:59:28

The Byrds never got out of him.

0:59:290:59:32

I think The Byrds defined Gene,

0:59:320:59:34

and I think that kind of caged Gene in again, you know?

0:59:340:59:39

Our next guests helped create the whole country-rock trend

0:59:390:59:42

back in the '60s, when they were members of The Byrds,

0:59:420:59:44

with songs like Mr Tambourine Man, Eight Miles High,

0:59:440:59:48

and now, after a 12-year break,

0:59:480:59:51

three of the members got back together with a whole new sound

0:59:510:59:54

that we're all hearing on the Top 40.

0:59:540:59:57

Here are McGuinn, Clark and Hillman.

0:59:571:00:00

For the 20th anniversary, I believe, of the Troubadour,

1:00:001:00:03

I was up on stage doing a solo,

1:00:031:00:05

and Gene Clark was out in the audience,

1:00:051:00:07

and Gene was right in front of me,

1:00:071:00:09

and I invited him up to do Eight Miles High with me,

1:00:091:00:11

and we had so much fun doing it,

1:00:111:00:13

and his friends and other people in the audience said,

1:00:131:00:16

"Why don't you guys go on the road as a duo?"

1:00:161:00:19

We did that, and then Chris Hillman got into it,

1:00:191:00:21

and it became McGuinn, Clark and Hillman.

1:00:211:00:24

Well, my first question is, will this band stay together,

1:00:241:00:28

or is it just an occasional album you've made?

1:00:281:00:30

No, we're going to stay together.

1:00:301:00:32

This is a new thing, McGuinn, Clark and Hillman,

1:00:321:00:34

and we intend to stick with it as long as it stays together.

1:00:341:00:37

Do you think you can avoid the problems, you know,

1:00:371:00:40

that caused The Byrds' split, in this new band?

1:00:401:00:44

Well, we can avoid some of them,

1:00:441:00:46

because we've been through all that stuff before, you know?

1:00:461:00:49

-I don't think it'll happen again, will it?

-Never.

1:00:491:00:51

There was still, like I said,

1:00:511:00:53

a lot of old resentments and things,

1:00:531:00:55

and so we never knew

1:00:551:00:57

if Chris would blow up at Roger,

1:00:571:00:59

or Roger would want to choke Gene,

1:00:591:01:02

or...you know, you just never knew.

1:01:021:01:04

So...

1:01:041:01:06

that lent itself to making some good music. It always did.

1:01:061:01:09

I think that negativity always made them create some great shows.

1:01:091:01:16

Live, we were good.

1:01:161:01:17

I've got some great tapes of McGuinn, Clark and Hillman live,

1:01:171:01:20

and it is darn good.

1:01:201:01:22

There were moments when he was back to the old Geno,

1:01:221:01:25

and he was getting it. It was good.

1:01:251:01:27

# Hey O, there's a stage for every star in the show

1:01:271:01:33

# And there's a star for every stage

1:01:341:01:42

# Ten feet away from the stage she can stand

1:01:431:01:49

# Hey O, do you know if she'll think that it's grand... #

1:01:501:01:56

When he was on stage, nobody could touch Gene. You know?

1:01:561:02:00

But I think he was happiest when he was on stage playing,

1:02:021:02:07

because the hour that we played,

1:02:071:02:10

there were still 23 hours left in the day to fill,

1:02:101:02:13

and he spent most of those 23 hours miserable.

1:02:131:02:16

'We walked into a ready-made bed,

1:02:161:02:19

'just by our names only,

1:02:191:02:21

'and we're spoiled with

1:02:211:02:22

'immediate limousines and Learjets,

1:02:221:02:24

'and you know, that kind of thing, it's not...

1:02:241:02:27

'You don't feel like you've earned your money.

1:02:271:02:29

'You don't feel like you've worked for it,

1:02:291:02:31

'and I think that was a lot of the reason why things fell apart.'

1:02:311:02:35

# Don't you write her off like that

1:02:351:02:37

# Don't you write her off like that

1:02:371:02:40

# Don't you write her off like that

1:02:401:02:42

# She's a real fine lady, don't you see?

1:02:421:02:45

-# Don't you write her off like that

-Don't you write her off

1:02:451:02:47

-# Don't you write her off like that

-Don't you write her off

1:02:471:02:49

# Don't you write her off like that

1:02:491:02:52

# She's a real fine lady, don't you see? #

1:02:521:02:54

Once we got a top 40 hit with Don't You Write Her Off,

1:02:581:03:02

and the pressure was on, and we were doing television

1:03:021:03:04

and radio shows and interviews, the pressure came on again,

1:03:041:03:08

and it started to affect Gene,

1:03:081:03:10

the way he had been affected in The Byrds.

1:03:101:03:12

He was just under pressure, and uncomfortable.

1:03:121:03:16

He started to find relief in other ways.

1:03:161:03:20

As far as...

1:03:211:03:22

..lifestyle choices, substance abuse,

1:03:251:03:29

that hit everybody hard in the '70s.

1:03:291:03:31

It got Gene bad.

1:03:311:03:33

So that McGuinn, Clark and Hillman was the time

1:03:331:03:36

when I did not know if he was going to make it.

1:03:361:03:38

When he came home for that McGuinn, Clark and Hillman concert,

1:03:381:03:42

that was really the time that I knew

1:03:421:03:47

that he was in deep trouble with drugs.

1:03:471:03:49

We waited a good half hour or more in the lobby,

1:03:491:03:53

the whole family, just waiting in the lobby.

1:03:531:03:56

He came downstairs with his sunglasses on.

1:03:561:03:59

First clue.

1:04:001:04:02

And he was literally strutting.

1:04:021:04:06

I mean, he was strutting around, big star. That was just...

1:04:061:04:11

Just the scene right there that,

1:04:111:04:14

you know, the light bulbs all went on. He's in big trouble.

1:04:141:04:18

There were some tough moments with Gene, between Gene and I,

1:04:181:04:22

and I was getting the job done, you know?

1:04:221:04:27

And Roger also, a consummate professional,

1:04:271:04:30

and it was hard to work with somebody who was not there,

1:04:301:04:34

not giving his all,

1:04:341:04:36

and we had moments that were very uncomfortable.

1:04:361:04:38

Unfortunately, Gene sought solace in heroin,

1:04:381:04:42

and he couldn't make the gigs any more, he wasn't working,

1:04:421:04:46

so we just asked him to leave.

1:04:461:04:48

It was rough, but it got to where we couldn't work with him,

1:04:481:04:51

so we'd do the second album,

1:04:511:04:53

and it's, "McGuinn, Hillman, featuring Gene Clark".

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It was sort of easing him out.

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It wasn't as good, and the last one wasn't very good at all,

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so that was the end of that deal, and it was just as well.

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That's really a shame, because...

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especially in Gene's case, because they were just so talented.

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I think he had so many more great songs in him.

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When I hear other people do the songs, it just amazes me

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how great a singer-songwriter he was.

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MUSIC: "Mr Tambourine Man" by Gene Clark

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# My weariness amazes me... #

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Things just didn't feel good.

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Nobody felt good about anything we were doing.

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So I just wanted away for the year, just to cool out, you know,

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clear my head, get my thoughts together,

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and then I came back to the Firebyrd album.

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# Hey, Mr Tambourine Man... #

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When we moved into the '80s, I think it was hard on him,

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cos the reviews weren't very good

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and the money was not there.

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You know, record deals were scarce and far between,

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a lot of bridges were burned

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and people were not looking at him

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the way that they had looked at him in the past or with The Byrds

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and stuff like that.

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I had a new band that I put together and was managing.

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We got the big thing that we were going to headline the Whisky.

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The whole thing about when you open at the Whisky is to have

1:06:371:06:41

celebrities in the audience.

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So, Gene, in all his wonderfulness, was going to be there for us.

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So the stage is set up, ready for my band to go on.

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Gene gets there and he gets hassled at the door.

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He starts getting a little rowdy about it

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and he starts getting real mad about it.

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Well, basically the end result of it

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is that Gene closed us down that night.

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So, uh... He ruined our opening.

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Totally ruined it.

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So later that night we're up in the canyon at my house or someplace

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and really ticked off at Gene. I mean, really ticked off.

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Gene comes up to the house and gave us the old, soft cowboy hat in hands.

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"I'm so sorry."

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I think that's probably the point I loved Gene the most,

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just to see him to go from that tough guy just to that sweet, gentle...

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He was just gentle.

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He was just a little kid with his head hanging down,

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begging forgiveness.

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A lot of mixed PR about...

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Gene's a drunk or Gene is a drug addict, Gene is this, Gene is that.

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Most of it wasn't true.

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Yeah, he had some problems, but he wasn't...

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My God, if you had read or had heard what people were talking about

1:07:561:08:00

without having known the man, you'd have thought he was Jack the Ripper.

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But Hollywood falls for that. They love a good crazy story.

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I think he's just stressed out. Completely stressed out.

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All the time.

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Trying to get back to where he once was, I think.

1:08:131:08:16

How's that got to be, to be on top of the world for, you know,

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ten years and then scraping by,

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waiting for your next royalties cheque?

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You live that lifestyle, you become accustomed to that lifestyle.

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How is it to clip coupons? It just doesn't work.

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He tried to make it work.

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I first met Gene Clark...

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a strange night at a club that, well,

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used to be a club we played at. It was called Madame Wong's.

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One of his friends, Tom Slocum, knew of my band The Textones.

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Anyway, long story short is, he dragged me

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physically up on the stage.

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When they were getting ready to start playing their encore,

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Feel A Whole Lot Better, they're already into the intro of it

1:09:061:09:09

and Gene Clark is standing there.

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Gene reaches over, sticks out his paw and says,

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"Hi, I'm Gene Clark." I said, "I'm Carla Olson, nice to meet you."

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That was it.

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Carla is probably one of the most positive people...

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..you're ever going to meet. She's a sweetheart. These duets they did...

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..they worked. It kept them going. It kept both of their careers going.

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I basically got pulled in, singing harmonies,

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just from hanging around the living room, to be honest.

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Then one day we were sitting there, I guess Gene showed us a song

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that he had written with Rick, his brother Rick Clark, called Del Gato.

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The lyric was just so incredible.

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sort of a Western theme, kind of, Good The Bad And The Ugly.

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# My name is Del Gato

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# Born close to the border

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# Of White blood and Red blood I came

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# I travelled the saddle

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# I followed the cattle

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# Down on the range where they graze

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# And I just ride in

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# From a hard southwestern drive... #

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We thought it was a standard,

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before he said that he'd written it with Rick.

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Gene says, "Hey, we ought to record this."

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Saul says, "Well, let's record a whole bunch of them."

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Carla and Gene just had some just had some obvious kind of...

1:10:501:10:56

simpatico.

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Things seemed to make sense to try and do something together.

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We decided because the voices were the most important thing, obviously

1:11:011:11:05

the songs too, we decided not to put any electric instruments on it.

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Thus, we were the first unplugged.

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# Sing that two-wheeled melody

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# The highway symphony

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# You know she'll never understand

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BOTH: # Gypsy rider

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# Sing

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# Your two-wheeled symphony

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# You know there's nothing

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# To explain... #

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As far as live shows, we did a few around LA,

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but Gene was busy with The Byrds reunion.

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He was in demand at that point for shows with that particular group.

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# You may never pass this way again.. #

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Michael Clarke told me that they were putting together this group.

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I guess it was called The Tribute To The Byrds,

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because who could use the name, who could not use the name?

1:12:311:12:35

It was a very touchy thing.

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They said that if they could have a third former Byrd in this tour

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that it would solidify everything and that it would really happen.

1:12:431:12:46

He was on the road a lot with these various tribute bands,

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so that did sustain him, that kept him busy as well.

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It kind of kept him in trouble a little bit,

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cos there were a few bad boys in some of these incarnations.

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I remember thinking that there were five gigs that I thought

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really had the magic.

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The rest were just like...

1:13:051:13:07

Like being on a pirate ship in a storm.

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It was grind, definitely. It was crappy hotels and doubling up.

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You know, driving the Pinto up to the show.

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He was sober and he was just struggling.

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Touring, getting his career back on track.

1:13:251:13:28

One of the things that was remarkable to me

1:13:291:13:31

is that even though Gene had a reputation for self-destruction...

1:13:311:13:36

..people would always show up who wanted to finance the next project.

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He had that...

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..undeniable quality of genius.

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He had various groups of friends.

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Pat Robinson, who was not really in the band,

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but was a tremendous friend to Gene.

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We felt that we were sort of his protectors.

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MUSIC: "Carry On" by Gene Clark

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We kind of started working together - writing songs,

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that rolled into Cry when John York came along.

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The Cry project was a beautiful idea.

1:14:231:14:27

Pat would invite Gene to write songs up in the studio,

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but the condition was - no drugs, no alcohol.

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We are just going to write songs.

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# So many times that I will make my mistakes

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# Take my heartaches

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# Do what it takes to get along

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# I will lay down my pride

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# Tears I can't hide

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# I've made up my mind to carry on... #

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He had this tape recorder that he would put in the kitchen.

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I could always remember his cowboy boots tapping all night.

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It was kind of like this rhythm. I knew he'd be in the kitchen playing.

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There was always music around, there was always guitars.

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He was always working on stuff.

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It was healing to him to be able to play music all the time.

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It was a release of emotion too.

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# Carry on

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# Till you find your way back home... #

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So that was the idea - that we could do something that had this...

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..higher musical ethic, you know, where...

1:15:321:15:36

..there would be no demons present, really.

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But we weren't able to take it anywhere.

1:15:431:15:45

Part of the problem with getting Gene a new record deal is, again,

1:15:451:15:48

Gene had kind of burned bridges.

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He had a particular reputation as kind of a maverick

1:15:501:15:53

and an outlaw, which he cherished, but I think that didn't do him well.

1:15:531:15:57

We were playing, I think it was in Reno, in casinos there.

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We had to have oxygen backstage for Gene.

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He was so ill. We kept saying, "Gene, let's just cancel this.

1:16:121:16:17

"We don't think it's worth it."

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He would say, "No, no, you guys all have bills to pay, you have families.

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"Let's finish this."

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We... We were really concerned.

1:16:271:16:30

From the airport, he went right to the hospital.

1:16:301:16:32

They took half of his stomach out. I'll never forget it.

1:16:321:16:35

Go to see him after he's had this surgery and he's up walking around.

1:16:351:16:38

He was... His recovery was just unreal.

1:16:381:16:43

This man just had his innards taken out.

1:16:431:16:46

He says, "I've got to have a cigarette."

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I said, "Gene, you've been out of surgery less than 24 hours."

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He was ready to run.

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He was on the phone trying to book dates for the band.

1:16:521:16:55

I remember him coming to me...

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..later...

1:16:591:17:00

..telling me that they'd cut out part of his stomach.

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Told him he could never drink again. Ever.

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A drop.

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CRICKETS CHIRP

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MUSIC: "Feel A Whole Lot Better" by Tom Petty

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Tom Petty recorded his very first solo album.

1:17:271:17:30

The only outside song on an album that sold more than 4 million copies

1:17:301:17:33

was Gene's Feel A Whole Lot Better.

1:17:331:17:35

The money just poured in.

1:17:351:17:36

Then he just started getting huge royalty cheques.

1:17:361:17:39

I don't think he stayed sober much longer after that.

1:17:391:17:41

Started partying a lot.

1:17:411:17:43

He was still doing music,

1:17:441:17:46

but I think it was kind of like a lot of fits and starts.

1:17:461:17:48

So in the midst of all of this happening, everything,

1:17:481:17:51

then we get nominated to the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

1:17:511:17:54

I think really, for myself, gratitude is the main thing.

1:18:011:18:06

I've got to be really thankful for all the people in my life

1:18:061:18:10

that have supported me through the years, through MY good and MY bad,

1:18:101:18:14

and especially my brothers here on stage with me,

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with whom I have enjoyed playing more than anybody else in the whole world.

1:18:161:18:20

Most of the bands that are inducted won't speak to each other,

1:18:201:18:25

let alone get on stage and play. We sat together.

1:18:251:18:27

And we played together at the end. It was a very nice ending.

1:18:281:18:33

It was reconciliation, and - I hate this term but I'll use it - closure.

1:18:331:18:37

Byrds over, end of story.

1:18:371:18:39

He was pretty excited when the Tom Petty thing came out,

1:18:391:18:43

Hall of Fame thing came out, but then the new stress came down.

1:18:431:18:47

That was more than having to book a show somewhere by himself.

1:18:471:18:52

He was having trouble with his throat.

1:18:521:18:55

And he was beginning to consume a little bit more alcohol again.

1:18:551:19:01

And I said, "You'd better go to the doctor.

1:19:021:19:06

"Go and see Flashman." And so...

1:19:061:19:10

When he saw Dr Flashman, this was probably a couple of weeks

1:19:121:19:18

before his final gig and he says, "I've got throat cancer.

1:19:181:19:22

-"What am I going to do?"

-I think he was worried...

1:19:221:19:25

that he was going to survive, but couldn't sing any more.

1:19:251:19:30

And then what do you do? But my dad was tough.

1:19:301:19:33

He wasn't someone who was going to get, you know, lie in bed all day.

1:19:341:19:38

He powered through it.

1:19:381:19:40

It was more like, "Oh, no, I tried so hard to try and get back

1:19:401:19:44

"on it and stuff is coming together and now I'm getting hit with this."

1:19:441:19:48

I look at that last picture and I just almost cried

1:19:481:19:52

because I saw all that suffering.

1:19:521:19:54

Here was this young, beautiful man that I used to know,

1:19:541:19:58

and then there's this broken down guy.

1:19:581:20:01

Although they were going to be doing the Cinegrill,

1:20:011:20:03

and I guess there was a trip to Europe planned.

1:20:031:20:07

So his music kind of died, but he was dying. Physically.

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The first time I saw him play live was at the Cinegrill in Hollywood

1:20:111:20:17

and, ironically, it would be his last shows which was kind of...

1:20:171:20:22

You know, it's a coincidence that I was there or fate meant it to be.

1:20:241:20:29

We rehearsed at this place called the Alley, North Hollywood.

1:20:291:20:33

-A great old rehearsal hall.

-He had been pretty sober.

1:20:331:20:36

He had not been drinking at all for the rehearsals.

1:20:361:20:39

And, er, somebody showed up at the Alley that day, the last rehearsal,

1:20:391:20:45

and I won't mention his name.

1:20:451:20:47

He's a very famous guy, a very famous singer,

1:20:471:20:51

a singer-songwriter, and gave him a...

1:20:511:20:55

Got him kind of high on something, and after that, it was...

1:20:551:21:00

It was a different deal, you know.

1:21:001:21:02

He just kind of went out to another place...I guess you could say.

1:21:021:21:08

Then we rehearse these few tunes, you know,

1:21:081:21:10

but we had them down by the end of the...

1:21:101:21:12

Of course, he gets to the gig and he plays them completely different,

1:21:121:21:15

so in the Hollywood Reporter the next day

1:21:151:21:17

they said, Garth Beckington, I don't know, he seems like he's played

1:21:171:21:20

the guitar before but I don't think he ever played these songs before.

1:21:201:21:23

The Cinegrill was sad.

1:21:231:21:24

It was sort of bittersweet, in that he was in Hollywood

1:21:241:21:30

and all of his buddies were there, Taj Mahal and David Carradine

1:21:301:21:34

and a lot of people came out

1:21:341:21:36

that probably hadn't been to a Gene Clark show in a long time.

1:21:361:21:40

I wasn't thinking of him being close to passing out of here,

1:21:401:21:45

but he looked like...

1:21:451:21:46

He'd definitely been through some stuff, you know.

1:21:461:21:49

Cinegrill was not my favourite moment to see Gene but he did give me

1:21:491:21:54

a kiss on the cheek and said thank you.

1:21:541:21:57

I had a good friend named Howie Epstein who

1:22:211:22:23

played in Tom Petty's band and he was doing a record with John Prine.

1:22:231:22:28

He was going to put Gene on the tracks and I helped set it up.

1:22:281:22:31

Howie called me about noon or one o'clock, I think.

1:22:311:22:34

12:30, maybe it was.

1:22:341:22:36

He said, "Where is Gene?" you know.

1:22:361:22:38

I said, "Well, I don't know where he is."

1:22:381:22:41

So, I said, "I'll go over there."

1:22:411:22:44

I called him up and then was no answer and I went over there.

1:22:441:22:47

And I went in the door in the kitchen because the door was unlocked.

1:22:471:22:50

I went in the kitchen door and I came in and he was on the floor.

1:22:501:22:54

I mean, I knew he was dead right away.

1:22:541:22:56

When I walked in the room, when I walked in the house, I knew he was dead.

1:22:561:22:59

I was in Mendocino when John called from LA and said that CNN

1:23:071:23:15

was at the house and that I'd better let the boys know that Gene was dead.

1:23:151:23:23

The floor opened up and fell away.

1:23:231:23:25

I was just having a cool day, a sunny up in Mendocino,

1:23:251:23:28

and we were skating and my mom showed up there.

1:23:281:23:31

It was really weird. And, er, um...she told me.

1:23:311:23:37

My having to tell those boys that their dad was gone

1:23:371:23:42

was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

1:23:421:23:45

Right then, I would have gone back with him in a heartbeat.

1:23:451:23:48

# It was more like a dream than reality... #

1:24:081:24:11

Even in death,

1:24:141:24:16

Gene Clark never really got the full retrospection he deserved.

1:24:161:24:21

I think he's still the great missing character

1:24:211:24:25

in terms of commercial appeal, or even in cult status.

1:24:251:24:29

He is grossly underplayed

1:24:291:24:32

and underrepresented in the music business for what he did.

1:24:321:24:35

It's such an irony that the Robert Plant/Alison Krauss album,

1:24:351:24:38

Raising Sand, had two of Gene's songs on it. Two.

1:24:381:24:42

And of course, it sold 2 million copies, that record.

1:24:421:24:45

And all Gene had to do to have caught that particular

1:24:451:24:51

bite of the cherry, that brass ring,

1:24:511:24:54

to have been on that ship as it left the harbour, was not die.

1:24:541:24:57

I remember the last time I saw Gene, he closed his show, he sang,

1:24:571:25:01

"I'm a loser." And then he ran out of the room.

1:25:011:25:06

Got in his car and left. And that's the last time I saw him.

1:25:061:25:10

And I was thinking, "You're not a loser. You're a champion.

1:25:101:25:16

"You're the king of the world."

1:25:161:25:18

It's like any kind of art, whether it is painting or poetry or acting.

1:25:181:25:23

A lot of times the best art is not recognised in its own time.

1:25:231:25:28

A lot of times I'm really pissed off that he was Gene Clark,

1:25:281:25:31

the songwriter and the Byrd, and I just wish he was a carpenter,

1:25:311:25:37

because he'd probably still be around.

1:25:371:25:39

But I'm also proud of, you know, the things he did and the person he was.

1:25:411:25:46

He wrote amazing poetry and songs and had great loves and great wars

1:25:461:25:54

and all that stuff and there are people still talking about him

1:25:541:25:58

20 years later, so...

1:25:581:26:00

When he showed up when I walked in that room,

1:26:001:26:04

when he and Roger were singing those songs...

1:26:041:26:06

He was central to the issue.

1:26:091:26:11

He was one of the people that was going to make rock 'n' roll happen.

1:26:131:26:17

He did what he wanted to do.

1:26:181:26:19

He got to live somewhat what he wanted to do and follow that dream.

1:26:191:26:23

I'm sure learning the guitar and sitting in his bedroom in Bonner Springs, Kansas,

1:26:231:26:29

that's what he wanted to do and he got to do it.

1:26:291:26:31

One, two, three, four...

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# They say everything can be replaced

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# They say every distance is not near

1:27:121:27:17

# So I remember every face

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# Of every man who put me here

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# I see my light come shinin'

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# From the west down to the east

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# Any day now, any day now

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# I shall be released

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# Any day now, any day now

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# I shall be released. #

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LAUGHTER

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Let's listen to that one.

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