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In the early 1960s, the BBC broadcast a documentary series | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
that was unparalleled in its ambition and scope. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Over 26 episodes, the series told the story of a conflict | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
that affected virtually every family in Britain, and most of the world. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Those who'd lived through the war remembered it as vividly as ever. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
I'd never seen so many dead men clumped together as what I saw then. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:41 | |
And I thought to myself, all the world's dead, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
they're all dead. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
They're all dead. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
The first idea that sort of flitted through my mind | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
was that the end of the world had come, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
and that this was the day of judgment. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
50 years after they were filmed, this programme presents a selection | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
of the very best of the Great War interviews. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
This is the closest we'll ever get | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
to what it was really like for those who were there. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
When the war was not very active, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
it was really rather fun to be in the front line. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
I thought to myself, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
"Well, if this is death, it's not so bad." | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
What was it that we soldiers stabbed each other, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
strangled each other, went for each other like mad dogs? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:41 | |
I was a young soldier of 17 just before the war. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
I joined a territorial regiment for the sport, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and the boxing and swimming. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
And when on the 3rd August 1914, mobilisation orders came out, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:27 | |
we were all very excited, and apprehensive. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Because the whole feeling in the air was one of anxiety, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
at the same time great endeavour... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
..and most of us wanted to be out in France | 0:02:39 | 0:02:45 | |
before the war was over by Christmas. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
By 1914, technological progress had created a new kind of war. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
To protect themselves against the increased fire power | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
of artillery and machine guns, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
infantry soldiers had to dig elaborate trench systems. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
To Henry and his comrades, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
trench warfare seemed to be a big adventure. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
We enjoyed our first visit to the trenches. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
The weather was dry, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
and the whole feeling was one of tremendous comradeship. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
And I can honestly say there was no fear at all. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
It...it was a picnic. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
Henry's picnic didn't last. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
It started raining, and the rain wouldn't stop. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
We walked about a lot. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
We moved very slowly, in a mire, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
a pug of yellow, watery clay. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
When the evening came, we could get out. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
It took about an hour to get out. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Some of our chaps slipped in and were drowned | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and weren't seen until we trod on them, perhaps, later. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
It was 60 yards to the Germans and they could snipe right down it, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
and so we had a lot of men sniped. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
I had my friend standing beside me. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
We were trying to work a pump which we'd carried in at night. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
It wouldn't work. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
And suddenly there was a tremendous crack, going like that. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
The bullet hit my friend in the front of the head | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
and took away the back of his head, and he fell down, just slipped down. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
Winter came, and the Christmas of 1914 | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
was one Henry would remember all his life. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
On Christmas Eve, we had a job to do in no-man's-land, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
which put the wind up everybody. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
That is to say, we were all quiet among ourselves. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
The job was to knock in these posts, 18 inches into this frozen soil, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:37 | |
and we were 50 yards away from the Germans and we crept out, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
trying to avoid our boots ringing on the frozen ground, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
and expecting any moment to fall flat | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
with the machine guns opening up. And nothing happened. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
And within two hours, we were walking about and laughing | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
and talking and there was nothing from the German lines. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
And then about 11 o'clock, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I saw a Christmas tree going up from the German trenches. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
And there was a light. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
And we stood still and we watched this and we talked. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
And then a German voice began to sing a song - | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
"Heilige Nacht". | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
And after that, somebody, "Come over, Tommy, come over." | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
And I still thought it was a trap, but some of us went over at once, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
and they came to this barbed-wire fence between us, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
which was five strands of wire hung by... | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
hung with empty bully beef tins to make a rattle if they came. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
And very soon we were exchanging gifts. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
MUSIC: "Silent Night" | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
The Germans started burying their dead, which were frozen, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
and we...we picked up ours and buried them. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
And little crosses of ration box wood were nailed together, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
quite small ones, and in indelible pencil they would put, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
the Germans, "fur Vaterland und Freiheit". | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
"For Fatherland and Freedom." | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
And I said to a German, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
"Excuse me, but how can you be fighting for freedom? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
"You started the war, and WE'RE fighting for freedom." | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
And he said, "Excuse me, English comrade - Kamerad - | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
"but we are fighting for freedom, for our country." | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
And as they also put | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
here rests in God an "unbekannter Held" - | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
"here rests in God an unknown hero, in God." | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
"Oh, yes, God is on our side." | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
"But," I said, "he's on our side." | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
And that was a tremendous shock. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
One began to think that these chaps, who were like ourselves, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
whom we liked and who felt about the war as we did, and who said, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
"It'll be over soon, because we will win the war." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
And we said, "No." | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
"Well, English comrade, do not let us quarrel on Christmas Day." | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
After the Great War, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
Henry Williamson became an acclaimed writer. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
His most famous novel is Tarka The Otter. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Unlike Britain in 1914, Germany had conscription. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
Stefan Westmann was a young German medical student. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
In April 1914, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
he was called up for national service in the German army. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
In December 1914, his unit was ordered to attack British troops | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
defending a French brickworks. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
We cut zigzag lines through our barbed-wire entanglements, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
and at noon we went over the top. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
We ran approximately 100 yards, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
and we came under machine gun fire which was so terrific, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
that...the losses were so staggering, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
that we got orders to lie down and to seek shelter. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
Nobody dared to lift his head | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
because the very moment the machine gunners saw any movement, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
they let fly. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
And then the British artillery opened up. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
And the corpses and the heads, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
and the arms and the legs flew about and we were cut to pieces. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
All of a sudden, the enemy fire ceased. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Complete silence came over the battlefield, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
and one of the chaps in my shell hole asked me, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
"I wonder what they're up to." | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Another one answered, "Perhaps they are getting tea." | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
A third one says, "Don't be a fool. Do you see what I see?" | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
And we looked over the brim of our shell hole | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and there, between the brick heaps, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
out there came a British soldier with a Red Cross flag which he waved, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:19 | |
and he was followed by a stretcher-bearer | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
who came slowly towards us and collected our wounded. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
We got up, still completely dumb from fear of death, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
and helped them to bring our wounded into our trenches. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
But such acts of generosity remained an exception. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
This was war, and ordinary men like Stefan had to learn to kill. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
I was confronted by a French corporal, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
he with his bayonet at the ready, and I with my bayonet at the ready. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
For a moment, I felt the fear of death. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
And in a fraction of a second, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
I realised that he was after my life exactly as I was after his. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
I was quicker than he was. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
I tossed his rifle away and I ran my bayonet through his chest. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:34 | |
He fell, put his hand on the place where I had hit him, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
and then I thrust again. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
Blood came out of his mouth and he died. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
I suddenly felt physically ill. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
I nearly vomited. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
My knees were shaking, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
and I was, quite frankly, ashamed of myself. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
My comrades were absolutely undisturbed by what had happened. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:15 | |
One of them boasted that he had killed a French soldier | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
with the butt of his rifle, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
another one had strangled a captain, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
a third one had hit somebody over the head with his spade. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
And they were ordinary men like me. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
What was it, that we soldiers... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
..stabbed each other, strangled each other, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
went for each other like mad dogs? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
What was it that we, who had nothing against them personally, | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
fought to them...fought with them to the very end in death? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
We were civilised people, after all. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
After the war, Stefan completed his medical training | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
and became a surgeon. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
But in the 1930s, when Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party took control, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
Stefan felt compelled to leave his homeland. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Remembering the incident in 1914 | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
when British soldiers stopped fighting | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
to let his comrades collect their dead and wounded, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
he chose to settle in England. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Stefan Westmann set up a medical practice in London's Harley Street. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
When Britain went to war in 1914, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
it had less than 250,000 battle-ready troops. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
It desperately needed volunteers to build a whole new fighting force. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
One man willing to sign up was Katie Morter's husband. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
We was very happily married, very, very happy. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Because we was very much in love, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
and he thought the world of me and I thought the world of him. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
And then it came to be that the war started. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
We had a friend over in Canada that had enlisted over there, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
and he came over here, and he came one night and asked us, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
would we go to the Palace? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
He'd booked seats for the Palace, and would we go? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
We didn't know what was on, of course, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
and it was a great treat for us, so we went. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
When we got there at the Palace, everything was lovely. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
And Vesta Tilley was recruiting, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
which we never knew till we got there. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
I wouldn't have gone if I'd have known, of course. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
She was dressed on the stage beautifully. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
She also had a big Union Jack wrapped round her. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
And she introduced that song, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
We Don't Want To Lose You, But We Think You Ought To Go. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
# We don't want to lose you | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
# But we think you ought to go | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
# For your king and your country | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
# Both need you so... # | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
We were sat at the front, and she walked down | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
and she hesitated a bit and she put her hand on my husband's shoulder. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
He got up and he went with her. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
# We shall cheer you, thank you | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
# Kiss you when you come back again... # | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
And I was terribly upset, and I said I didn't want him to go | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
and be a soldier, because I didn't want to lose him. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
I didn't want him to go at all. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
But he said, "We have to go." | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
He said, "There has to be men to go and fight for the women. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
"Otherwise," he said, "where should we be?" | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Private Percy Morter was posted to France in September 1915. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
During the time that he was away, I was very, very lonely. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
All the thoughts I had was for my husband. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
I used to try to do a bit of reading, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
or a bit of sewing with my hands, to pass the time away like that. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
But it was very, very hard, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
and my times would wander, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
and wonder what he was doing and if he was thinking about me. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
And wondering how he was going on, and when I should see him again. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
By the start of 1916, Katie was living back at her mother's | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and working in a local leather factory. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
One January morning, as she was getting ready for work, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
she had a surprise visitor. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
There was loud knocking on the door, such a big knocking on the door, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
and this voice shouted, "Open the door, the Jerries are here." | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
See? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
So my mother said, "Oh," she said, "it's Percy, I can tell his voice." | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
And in he came, you know, all mucky and what have you, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
right from France. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
And he only got six days' leave, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
and he'd two days travelling out of that, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
had to be taken off the six days. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
So he didn't have very long. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
And he said, "Now," he says, "now, Kitty..." | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
He called me Kitty. He says, "Now, Kitty," | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
he says, "what would you like for a present? | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
"I'm going to buy you a present while I'm home." | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
I said, "Oh, I don't know," I said. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
But I was... I'm afraid I was rather vain in those days | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
and I was a rather attractive girl and I said, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
"Do you know, I've seen a beautiful hat down the street. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
"Oh, it is a lovely hat." I said, "I would like it." | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
And it was in a shop window and I'd looked at this hat several times. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
But it was such a terrible dear hat. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
And he said, "Well, come on," | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
he said, "We'll go down and have a look at it." | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
And I'll never forget that hat. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
It was white felt, and it turned up all around, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
and with me being dark, and it had a mauve...big mauve feather | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
all the way in the brim and it hung over. Oh, it was gorgeous. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
We got dressed up after I got this hat, he bought it me. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
And I took him to Noblett's leather works, where I worked, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
and I introduced him to Mr Noblett himself, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
and they all shook hands with him. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
And how pleased and proud I was when he went in the leather works | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
and everybody could see him. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
# Brother Bertie went away | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
# To do his bit the other day... # | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
He went back about the Thursday night, I should think. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
I didn't go with him to the tram. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
One of my brothers went with him. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
And a friend of his. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
And he told his friend, it seems, afterwards, he told me, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
he said, "I'm afraid I shall never come back again." | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Anyway, he went, and...and then I found out that I was pregnant. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
Katie continued to work in Noblett's. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Then, in July 1916, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
there was another early morning knock at her door. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
I heard the postman come and I knew that it would be a letter for me, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
so I ran down in my nightdress and opened the door | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
and snatched the letter off the postman and run in, shut the door. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
In my nightdress and my bare feet. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
And I opened the letter and it was from his sergeant, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
and it was...it just said, "Dear Mrs Morter, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
"I'm very sorry to tell you of the death of your husband." | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Well, that was as far as I could read. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
You see, I couldn't read anything else. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
So I...I didn't know just for a few minutes what happened, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
but I ran out, I ran out of the house as I was, my bare feet, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
and I banged on the next door, the next-door neighbour. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
And it was a Mr and Mrs Hirst. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
And they let me in and, "Whatever's to do?" she said. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
And I said, "Will you read this letter, Mrs Hirst? Read this letter." | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
And she said, "Oh," she said, "you poor child." | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Lance Corporal Percy Morter was killed on the Somme | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
on 7th July 1916. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Eventually the baby became to be born. It was born at home. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
But, er...I don't remember it being born at all. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
I had a very bad time. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
I had two doctors and I don't remember the baby being born. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
And I felt I didn't want to live. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I'd no wish to live at all. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Because the world had come to an end, and for me, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
because I'd lost all that I'd loved. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Katie named her son Percy Edward. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
He too christened his son Percy Edward, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
after the father he'd never met. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
Katie married three more times. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
She survived all of her four husbands. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
During the Great War, soldiers from Britain and her dominions | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
didn't only fight in France and Belgium. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
In 1915, they were launching a naval attack on Germany's ally, Turkey. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
Frank Brent took part in this ambitious operation. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Well, I was one of about 2,000 blokes stuck in the Galeka. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
The crew brought us some hot tucker to get on with, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
but I don't think any of us felt like eating. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
And then somebody said, "Well, you'd better have a snore off, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
"you've got a job to do in the morning." | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
But we couldn't sleep, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
but we just talked about anything but the job we were going to do. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
The old boatswain of the Galeka came along and said, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
"Anybody got any of those dirty postcards that you bought in Cairo? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
"If you have, you'd better put them down on the deck | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
"because if you get knocked, they send them to your next of kin." | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Well, by this time I was feeling | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
just about as brave as a ring-tailed possum, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
and I wished that I was anywhere but on the Galeka. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
Frank Brent joined the British Army Service Corps when he was just 14. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
He was discharged as medically unfit when he turned 18. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
Frank emigrated and became a soldier in Australia. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
Now serving with the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
or Anzacs, Frank and his antipodean comrades | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
were to spearhead the assault on Turkey's Gallipoli peninsula. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
As the pinnace hit the shore somebody said, "Out you get," | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
and out we got. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
There were dead and wounded all around. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
And we scampered as hard as we could | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
till we had a little bit of shelter, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
dumped our packs, and then somebody said, "Well, up you go," | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and away we went up the slope. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
It wasn't too bad, but just halfway up somebody shouted out to me, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
"Alan Gordon has stopped one." | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Well, Alan was one of my best pals. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
That made me feel a bit better, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:11 | |
because if they'd got him, I felt I'm going to get them. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
Eventually we came to a post where... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
obviously one of the strong points that he'd put up, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
and I suppose there were about 20 of us in my group. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
Er... Nobody in charge. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
The bloke with the loudest voice seemed to take charge in the setting. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
And three or four blokes got knocked. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
And then I heard somebody say, "Well, this is no good to us. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
"Come on, heads down, arses up and get stuck into it." | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
And we went into it. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
And we cleared them, bayoneted them, shot them, and the others ran. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
And we sort of dug in on that post for a little while. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
There was no coordinated effort about it. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
We were just a crowd of diggers working with each other, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
trusting each other blind. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
A little while afterwards, a bloke out of the Eighth Battalion said, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
"Here, look at that bloody bush, it's moving." | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
And we looked at it, and it was obviously a sniper. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
He was a sniper and he was done up like a Christmas tree. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
He'd got branches out of his head, out of his shoulders, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
and he was for all the world like a bush. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
But he didn't look like a bush when we'd finished with him. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
The bloke next to me was Robbie Robinson, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
a corporal in my battalion. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
And I can see him now, grinning all over his face, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
and next thing I remember was his head fell on my shoulder | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
and a sniper had got him through the jugular vein. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
And I really think that that was my baptism, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
because Robbie's blood... spent all over my tunic. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
After three days, Frank and his surviving comrades | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
were shipped further up the Turkish coast | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
to fight in one of the bloodiest battles | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
of the whole disastrous Gallipoli campaign. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
The barrage had been so heavy that we thought, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
"Well, this is going to be a cakewalk. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
"There's nothing to stop us." | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
But the mistake we made was that | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
after we got out of our hop-out trenches, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
our own artillery began to put down a barrage just in front of us. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
Some of it was firing short. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
You could see your mates going down right and left. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
And...you were face-to-face with the stark realisation | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
that this was the end of it. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
Despite the fact that we couldn't see a Turk, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
he was pelting us with everything he'd got from all corners. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
And the marvel to me is how the dickens he was able to do it | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
after the barrage that had fallen on him. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
And sure enough, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
we'd got to within about a mile of Krithia village | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
when I copped my packet. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
And as I lay down, I said, "Thank Christ for that." | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Seriously wounded, Frank was evacuated. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
He spent nearly a year in hospital. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
The Gallipoli campaign never achieved its objective, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
but for the Australians and New Zealanders, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
it marked the birth of national consciousness. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
The date of the Gallipoli landing, 25th April, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
is known as Anzac Day, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
and is the most important day of commemoration of war | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
in Australia and New Zealand. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
Technological progress not only created trench warfare, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
it also opened up a new battlefield. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
The air. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
Aeroplanes were crucial for reconnaissance of enemy positions, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
and the British Royal Flying Corps | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
fought to gain air supremacy from the German Air Service. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Cecil Arthur Lewis joined the Royal Flying Corps in 1915. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
He was barely 17 years old and he lied about his age. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
He had his baptism of fire at the Battle of the Somme | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
in the summer of 1916. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
The British prepared for the battle with a massive bombardment | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
of the German lines, which lasted a whole week. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Reconnaissance planes had to report on the effect of the bombardment. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
When they began to build up towards the main bombardment, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
we used to go out and photograph. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
And these jobs were among the most terrifying that I ever did in the whole war. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
When you had to go right over the lines, you see, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
you were midway between our guns firing | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
and where the shells were falling. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
They had orders. We were told - you know, the artillery - | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
not to fire when an aeroplane was in their sights. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
They cut it pretty fine, you know, because, really, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
one used to fly along the front on those patrols, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
and that lasted for two or three days, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
and the aeroplane would fly up, you know, with the shell | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
which had just gone underneath and missed you by two or three feet. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
Or flung down when it had gone over the top. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
And this was continuous, so the machine was continually bucketed | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
and jumping as if it was in a gale. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
But, in fact, it was shells. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
You didn't see those - they were going much too fast - | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
but this was really terrifying. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
One had the sort of feeling, "They're firing at us. "It's us they want to get," you know. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
So many of the boys - my best observer and many of my friends - | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
were just hit by this barrage | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
and destroyed by a direct hit from a passing shell. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
Young Lewis was awarded the Military Cross | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
for his actions over the Somme. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
He was moved to 56 Squadron | 0:31:58 | 0:31:59 | |
and joined the ranks of the elite fighter pilots. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
It was their job to shoot down enemy planes. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
Our eyes were continually focusing, looking, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
craning our heads round, looking for those black specks | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
which would mean enemy aircraft at a great distance away. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Clinging close together, about 20, 30 yards between each machine, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
swaying, looking at our neighbours, keeping our throttle, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
setting ourselves just right so that we were all in position, as it were. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
And then, sooner or later, we would find the enemy. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
The whole squadron would enter the fight in good formation, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
but within half a minute the whole formation had gone to hell. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Nothing left except just chaps wheeling and zooming and diving | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and on each other's tails, perhaps all four in a row even, you know. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
A German going down, one of our chaps on his tail, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
another German on his tail, another Hun behind that. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Extraordinary glimpses one got of people approaching head-on, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
firing at each other as they came | 0:32:56 | 0:32:57 | |
and then just at the last moment turning and slipping away. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
The fight would come down from 15,000 feet | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
right down to almost ground level. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
You had to fight as if... | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
There was nothing but you and your guns. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
You had nobody at your side, nobody who was cheering with you, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
nobody who would look after you if you were hit. You were alone. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
And you fought alone and died alone. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
But those who died... | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
weren't there when we came back. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
After the war, Cecil Lewis became one of the four founders of the BBC, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
and he wrote a memoir of his wartime experiences, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Sagittarius Rising, a best-seller that was turned into a movie. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
If only other girls would do as I do, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
I believe that we could manage it alone... | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
As the Great War dragged on | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
and more and more men were sent overseas, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
women had to take on men's jobs. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
Mabel Lethbridge started to work in Hayes Munitions Factory at the age of 17. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:30 | |
I was put on to a job in bomb stores, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
which was really cleaning detonators. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
It was very dull work but the workers were gay and charming and I liked it. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
But the day came when I got the job that I think perhaps subconsciously | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
I'd always been looking for. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
They asked for volunteers for the danger zone. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
The danger zone was at the heart of Hayes Munitions. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Set in open countryside, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:02 | |
shed after shed marched along nearly two miles of railway track. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
Working in each was a team of women or boys packing heavy shell cases | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
with high explosive and detonators. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
The machines that we were put on that morning were | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
Heath Robinson sort of machines, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and so difficult to describe to you. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
But they were operated not by machinery, really, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
but by a great weight lifted up on ropes | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
by girls behind a pile of wooden boxes. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
They had no other protection. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
And they had to drop the weight down on top of the shell, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
and you were only allowed, say, 12 blows. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
You'd call to the girls, "Steady, girls," | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
and they'd drop that weight very slowly | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
and bring a lever out to stop it. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
Only that first morning I was there... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
..some girl didn't call, "Steady, girls," but she put her head forward. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
The weight came on her head and that was... | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
goodbye to her, anyway. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
It was a very unhappy feeling for us all. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
All the time there were people walking to and fro, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
emphasising the great danger. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
And we were continually searched. Cigarettes, matches - | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
anything that you might have of metal was taken from you. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
And this went on, sort of, hour after hour - | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
you were pulled out for a search. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
And there was a great feeling, all the time, of tension. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
A woman came up to me and she said, "How are you getting on?" | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
And I said, "Well, not very well - it's taking a lot of blows." | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
And the pullers, who had to pull that great weight up, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
were getting very angry with me. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
And, er, my... | 0:37:09 | 0:37:10 | |
my carrier - that's the girl who carries the shells to you | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and carries them away from you, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
she's a stacker and a carrier - | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
she said, "I think the mixture's too cold. It should be hot." | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
And the overlookers told her to shut up and told me | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
to scrape a little out. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
And...to try again. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
I said, "All right," and my carrier - | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
the girl who was helping me to carry the shell - | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
she said, "I don't like that. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
"I don't like any scraping out." | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Well, the whistle blew and we went to the canteen lunch. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
Mabel had only been filling shells for three days. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
She was still learning the ropes. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
But after lunch, she volunteered to do an extra shift. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
At three o'clock in the afternoon, each afternoon, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
they brought us milk to drink. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
A trolley came round and we went and we drank this milk. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
And I, sort of being curious, asked why. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
"Really it is to save you from getting the TNT poisoning - | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
"it acts as a neutraliser." | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
And TNT poisoning was really a yellow poisoning. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
You went completely yellow. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
And your clothes came off you yellow. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
It even affected your clothes. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
I don't know what it was - what it was caused by. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
It was very unpleasant. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
You got it very quickly and you carried it. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
You never got rid of it. Just stayed there. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
You got more and more yellow and people looked at you. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
When you got into a bus or a Tube or anything like that, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
they sort of looked at you. They wondered what was wrong with you. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
We felt like lepers going home. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
But on that day... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Well, I'd just had my milk and, on that day, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
we didn't go home like that, because... | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
..my shell exploded. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
Mabel lost her left leg in the explosion. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
For her courage, she was awarded the medal of | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
# It's a long way to Tipperary | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
# It's a long way to go... # | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
The Great War had transformed the role of women in society. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
But women had no idea of what it was really like | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
for the men at the front. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
# Goodbye, Piccadilly | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
# Farewell, Leicester Square... # | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
This world of the trenches which had built itself up for so long a time, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
which seemed to be going on for ever, was the real world | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
and it was entirely a man's world. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
Women had no part in it. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
Charles Carrington was just 17 when he enlisted in 1914. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
By 1917, the long years of war | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
had changed him and his country profoundly. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
And when one went on leave, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
what one did was to escape out of the man's world | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
into the woman's world. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
And one found that however pleased one was to see one's girlfriend - | 0:40:54 | 0:41:00 | |
and I'm speaking only of the light emotions of a boy, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
not of the deeper feelings of a happily married man - | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
one could never somehow quite get through. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
However nice and sympathetic they were, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
the girl didn't quite say the right thing. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
And one was curiously upset, annoyed, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
by attempts of well-meaning people to sympathise, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
which only reflected the fact | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
that they didn't really understand at all. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
And there was even a kind of last sense of relief | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
in which you returned to the boys. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
When one went back into the man's world, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
which seemed the realest thing that could be imagined. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
# And when they ask us | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
# How dangerous it was | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
# Oh, we'll never tell them | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
# No, we'll never tell them | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
# We spent our pay in some cafe | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
# And fought wild women night and day | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
# 'Twas the cushiest job | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
# We ever had. # | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
In 1917, British and Allied forces launched an attack in Belgium. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
The plan was to reach the coast held by the Germans. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
The attack lasted for months | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
and became known as the Battle of Passchendaele. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Lieutenant Carrington commanded a company at Passchendaele. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
We advanced, just like those battles, under, er, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
an enormous barrage - a much heavier barrage than I'd ever heard before. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:47 | |
We ran into a lot of Germans | 0:42:47 | 0:42:48 | |
and we had a lot of very severe fighting in the first five minutes, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
in which I myself got mixed up in a really awkward shooting-out affair, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
rather like gangsters shooting it out on a Western film. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
However, we shot it out and we won that little battle | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
and we got through. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
By the time we got to our objective, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
I found that my company was completely scattered. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
Both my officers, all my sergeants, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
and three quarters of my men were killed or wounded. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
And there was me and the Sergeant Major | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
and a scattered handful of men which we had to get together somehow. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
Well, we got them together somehow and we settled down on our objective | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
in a group of shell holes, and there we sat for three days. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
On the second and third days we just sat in the mud, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
being very heavily and very systematically shelled | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
with pretty heavy stuff. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
You'd hear in the distance quite a mild pop | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
as the gun fired five miles away. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
And then a humming sound as it approached you through the air, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
growing louder and louder | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
until it was like the roar of an aeroplane coming in to land on the tarmac. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
There comes the moment when a shell is right on top of you, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
and your nerve would break and you'd throw yourself down in the mud | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
and cringe in the mud till it was past. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
There were ways in which you could maintain your self-control, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:37 | |
and there is some strange connection | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
between small physical actions... | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
If you, er, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
hum a little tune to yourself | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
and feel that you can quietly get through this tune | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
before the next explosion, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
it gives you a sort of curious feeling of safety. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Or you'd start drumming with your fingers on your knee, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
and have a-a-a... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
..quite irrational desire to complete this little ritual. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
These minute things | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
protect you from the... | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
..nervous collapse which may come at any moment. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
On the third night, under the cover of darkness, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
Lieutenant Carrington and his exhausted men | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
managed to get out of their shell hole. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
They scrambled through the mud | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
to the relative safety of a makeshift camp. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
To begin with, I was in a state of complete | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
physical and mental prostration. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
And I think for a few days after the battle, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
I was getting near having a nervous breakdown. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
But when one is young, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
physical rest very quickly puts that right, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
and in quite a few days I was almost as good as ever. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
Here I was - I was 20 years old, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
a young acting Captain, and I had to form a new company. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
I had to begin by actually collecting and organising the men, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
and finding out what had happened to those who'd been killed | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
and those who'd been wounded. I had to write 22 personal letters | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
to the wives and mothers of men in my company who'd been killed. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
Then we got a draft of 100 very good men up from the base | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
and we started all over again and had a new company. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
And at the end of a month, we were ready to do it again. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
And this seems to me the strangest thing of all when I look back on it. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
# We're here because We're here because | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
# We're here because we're here... # | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
Charles Carrington was awarded the Military Cross. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
After the war, he became an academic and writer. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
His book A Subaltern's War | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
is one of the best-known war memoirs. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
He re-enlisted at the outbreak of the Second World War, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
in his own words, like an old fool. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
There were no times of duty regarding mending telephone wires. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
Nobody knew when a wire would go. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
But we knew it had to be mended. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
The infantrymen's lives depended on these wires working. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
And it didn't matter whether we'd had sleep | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
or whether we hadn't had sleep - we just had to keep those wires through. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
John Palmer had one of the loneliest jobs on the battlefield - | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
keeping the field telephones working. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
These linked the troops on the front line | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
with the command posts and the heavy artillery further back. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
I'd been out on the wires all day, all night. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
I hadn't had any sleep, it seemed, for weeks, and no rest. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
And it was very, very difficult to mend a telephone wire in this mud. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
You'd find one end | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
and then you'd try and trudge through the mud to find the other end. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
And as you got one foot out, the other one would go down. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
I was tired of all the carnage, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
all the sacrifice that we had there just to gain about 25 yards. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
I think I'd reached my lowest ebb. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
And then, in the distance, I heard the rattle of harness. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
I didn't hear much of the wheels | 0:48:38 | 0:48:39 | |
but I knew there were ammunition wagons coming up. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
And I thought to myself, "Well, here's a way out. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
"When they get level with me, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
"I'll ease out and put my leg under the wheel. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
"I shall be bound to get away, and I can plead it was an accident." | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
Eventually I saw the leading horses' heads in front of me, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
and I thought, "This is it." | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
And I began to ease my way out. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
And eventually, the first wagon reached me. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
And, you know, I never even had the guts to do that. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
I found myself wishing to do it, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
but hadn't got the guts to do it. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
Well, I went on. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
I finished my wire, I found the other end and mended it. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
I was out twice more that night. I was out next day. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
And the next night, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
my pal came out with me. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:42 | |
He wasn't busy on the other wires. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
And after the Germans had stopped shelling a little while, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
we heard one of their big ones coming over. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
And normally, within reason, you could tell | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
if one was going to land anywhere near or not. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
If it was, the normal procedure was to throw yourself down | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
and avoid the shell fragments. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
This one we knew was going to drop near. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
My pal shouted and threw himself down. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
I was too damned tired even to fall down. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
I stood there. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:18 | |
Next, I had a terrific pain in the back and the chest | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
and I found myself face downwards in the mud. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
My pal came to me. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
He tried to lift me up, and I said to him, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
"Don't touch me, leave me, I've had enough, just leave me." | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
The next thing, I found myself sinking down in the mud, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:41 | |
and this time I didn't worry about the mud. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
I didn't hate it any more. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
It seemed like a protective blanket covering me. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
And I thought to myself, "Well, if this is death, it's not so bad." | 0:50:50 | 0:50:55 | |
I found myself being bumped about and I realised that | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
I was on a stretcher, and I thought, "Poor devils these stretcher bearers, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
"I wouldn't be a stretcher bearer for anything." | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
And then something else happened. I suddenly realised I wasn't dead. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:23 | |
I realised that I was alive. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
I realised that if these wounds didn't prove fatal, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
that I should get back to my parents, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
to my sister, to the girl that I was going to marry. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
The girl that had sent me | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
a letter every day, practically, from the beginning of the war. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
And I must then have had that sleep that I so badly needed, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:50 | |
for I didn't recollect any more until I found myself in a bed | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
with white sheets, and I heard | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
the lovely, wonderful voices of our nurses - | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
English, Scotch and Irish, and I think then I completely broke down. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:09 | |
Next, the padre was sitting beside the bedside. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
He was trying to comfort me. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
He told me I'd had an operation. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
And he told me that he had some relatives out there | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
that had been out there right from the beginning, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
and by God's grace they hadn't had a scratch. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
He said, "They've been lucky, haven't they?" | 0:52:31 | 0:52:36 | |
I thought to myself, "Lucky? Poor devils." | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
Over the course of the Great War, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
the British Army developed new tactics and new weapons that | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
would eventually enable Britain and her allies to defeat the Germans. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
The most important new weapon was a machine | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
that was initially called His Majesty's Landship. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
The tank was designed to withstand machine gun fire | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
and break through trench defences. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Horace Leslie Birks was put in charge | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
of one of these early tanks at Passchendaele. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
This was the first time I'd actually commanded a tank in action, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
and I was petrified. I hoped the whole way up | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
that I should sprain my ankle or something like that, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
that we should never get there or the whole thing would be called off. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
We had no luck at all. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
And the ghastly hour got nearer and nearer, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
and the worst moment of all, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
when we started up our engines, and they would backfire | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
and you got a sheet of flame out of the exhaust, everybody calling | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
each other a bloody fool and waiting to know what was going to happen. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
However, nothing did happen, and we climbed into the tank. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
We had to close down. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
Because the... We were in very comfortable machine gun range, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:17 | |
and once you were shut down, you were completely isolated from the world. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
We had no means of communication at all. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
The thing got hotter and hotter and hotter. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
The only ventilation was concerned with the engine, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
and not with the crew. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
You could only see forward through a little slit in the front visor, and | 0:54:36 | 0:54:42 | |
if you wanted to see out of the side you looked through steel periscopes, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:47 | |
which gave you a sort of translucent outside light, all distorted. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:55 | |
The noise inside was such that you could hear nothing outside at all. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
And people made little gestures to you, rude or otherwise. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
That was all you could do, your sole means of communicating. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
We went off line ahead, and my own tank was the fourth. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
And we'd only got about another ten minutes along the road, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
when I thought the world had come to an end. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
We ran straight into the counter-barrage of the Boche. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
He'd evidently seen our leading tank, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
which was some way ahead, and we caught it. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
I've never been so frightened in my life. I think everybody was. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
Blues and reds and yellows, all the pyrotechnic colours in the world. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:39 | |
And then there was the most almighty crash | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
and a sheet of flame came up from the starboard side. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
And we'd had a direct hit. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
The shelling was still going on. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
If anything, more intense than we'd been machine gunned. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
I had three men wounded. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
One had got his leg blown off and he died later on that night. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
And we got the whole lot out with the tank between us | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
and the Germans, and then sat down to take stock. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
Didn't know what to do exactly. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
Ten tanks were written off, none were recovered. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
And nothing was achieved at all. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:22 | |
Appalled by the debacle at Passchendaele, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
the British High Command was on the point | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
of abandoning these clumsy contraptions. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
But the tanks were given a last chance to prove themselves | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
at the Battle of Cambrai in November 1917. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
Here there was no mud, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:49 | |
and tanks were deployed in much larger numbers. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
Almost 500 tanks took part in the battle. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
We got in, shut down our tanks, and we set course for the enemy line. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
And then we got into this belt of wire. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
It was quite terrifying because it was about seven feet high, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
very, very thick wire, and it was over 120 yards deep in places. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
And of course, if we'd have stopped in that or got our tracks | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
ripped off, then we should have been for it. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
Instead of that, the tanks made great swathes in the wire, and | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
Jocks who were playing with us, they came through the gaps we'd made. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:30 | |
The Germans had just finished breakfast. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
They were completely taken by surprise. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
They were running about with their hands up, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
hands down, hands everywhere. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:40 | |
My crew got out for a smoke and to have a look around, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
and when the time came to go on, I found I had no crew at all. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
They were all looting. However, we got them back. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
I had two men from Scotland in the crew, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
they came back with pistols, binoculars and all sorts of things. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
I was furious with rage, so they presented the best pair to me, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
and off we went again. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
Cambrai was the first battle where tanks took on a decisive role. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
Tanks and new tactics involving tanks would eventually | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
play their part in winning the Great War. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
Horace Birks stayed in the Army. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
He spent all his military career with his beloved tanks. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
In the Second World War, he commanded an entire tank corps | 0:58:34 | 0:58:39 | |
and retired with the rank of Major General. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 |