I Was There: The Great War Interviews


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In the early 1960s, the BBC broadcast a documentary series

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that was unparalleled in its ambition and scope.

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Over 26 episodes, the series told the story of a conflict

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that affected virtually every family in Britain, and most of the world.

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Those who'd lived through the war remembered it as vividly as ever.

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I'd never seen so many dead men clumped together as what I saw then.

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And I thought to myself, all the world's dead,

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they're all dead.

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They're all dead.

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The first idea that sort of flitted through my mind

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was that the end of the world had come,

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and that this was the day of judgment.

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50 years after they were filmed, this programme presents a selection

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of the very best of the Great War interviews.

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This is the closest we'll ever get

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to what it was really like for those who were there.

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When the war was not very active,

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it was really rather fun to be in the front line.

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I thought to myself,

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"Well, if this is death, it's not so bad."

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What was it that we soldiers stabbed each other,

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strangled each other, went for each other like mad dogs?

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I was a young soldier of 17 just before the war.

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I joined a territorial regiment for the sport,

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and the boxing and swimming.

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And when on the 3rd August 1914, mobilisation orders came out,

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we were all very excited, and apprehensive.

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Because the whole feeling in the air was one of anxiety,

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at the same time great endeavour...

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..and most of us wanted to be out in France

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before the war was over by Christmas.

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By 1914, technological progress had created a new kind of war.

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To protect themselves against the increased fire power

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of artillery and machine guns,

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infantry soldiers had to dig elaborate trench systems.

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To Henry and his comrades,

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trench warfare seemed to be a big adventure.

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We enjoyed our first visit to the trenches.

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The weather was dry,

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and the whole feeling was one of tremendous comradeship.

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And I can honestly say there was no fear at all.

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It...it was a picnic.

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Henry's picnic didn't last.

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It started raining, and the rain wouldn't stop.

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We walked about a lot.

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We moved very slowly, in a mire,

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a pug of yellow, watery clay.

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When the evening came, we could get out.

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It took about an hour to get out.

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Some of our chaps slipped in and were drowned

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and weren't seen until we trod on them, perhaps, later.

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It was 60 yards to the Germans and they could snipe right down it,

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and so we had a lot of men sniped.

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I had my friend standing beside me.

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We were trying to work a pump which we'd carried in at night.

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It wouldn't work.

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And suddenly there was a tremendous crack, going like that.

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The bullet hit my friend in the front of the head

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and took away the back of his head, and he fell down, just slipped down.

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Winter came, and the Christmas of 1914

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was one Henry would remember all his life.

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On Christmas Eve, we had a job to do in no-man's-land,

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which put the wind up everybody.

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That is to say, we were all quiet among ourselves.

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The job was to knock in these posts, 18 inches into this frozen soil,

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and we were 50 yards away from the Germans and we crept out,

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trying to avoid our boots ringing on the frozen ground,

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and expecting any moment to fall flat

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with the machine guns opening up. And nothing happened.

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And within two hours, we were walking about and laughing

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and talking and there was nothing from the German lines.

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And then about 11 o'clock,

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I saw a Christmas tree going up from the German trenches.

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And there was a light.

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And we stood still and we watched this and we talked.

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And then a German voice began to sing a song -

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"Heilige Nacht".

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And after that, somebody, "Come over, Tommy, come over."

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And I still thought it was a trap, but some of us went over at once,

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and they came to this barbed-wire fence between us,

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which was five strands of wire hung by...

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hung with empty bully beef tins to make a rattle if they came.

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And very soon we were exchanging gifts.

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MUSIC: "Silent Night"

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The Germans started burying their dead, which were frozen,

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and we...we picked up ours and buried them.

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And little crosses of ration box wood were nailed together,

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quite small ones, and in indelible pencil they would put,

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the Germans, "fur Vaterland und Freiheit".

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"For Fatherland and Freedom."

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And I said to a German,

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"Excuse me, but how can you be fighting for freedom?

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"You started the war, and WE'RE fighting for freedom."

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And he said, "Excuse me, English comrade - Kamerad -

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"but we are fighting for freedom, for our country."

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And as they also put

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here rests in God an "unbekannter Held" -

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"here rests in God an unknown hero, in God."

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"Oh, yes, God is on our side."

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"But," I said, "he's on our side."

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And that was a tremendous shock.

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One began to think that these chaps, who were like ourselves,

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whom we liked and who felt about the war as we did, and who said,

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"It'll be over soon, because we will win the war."

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And we said, "No."

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"Well, English comrade, do not let us quarrel on Christmas Day."

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After the Great War,

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Henry Williamson became an acclaimed writer.

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His most famous novel is Tarka The Otter.

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Unlike Britain in 1914, Germany had conscription.

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Stefan Westmann was a young German medical student.

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In April 1914,

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he was called up for national service in the German army.

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In December 1914, his unit was ordered to attack British troops

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defending a French brickworks.

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We cut zigzag lines through our barbed-wire entanglements,

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and at noon we went over the top.

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We ran approximately 100 yards,

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and we came under machine gun fire which was so terrific,

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that...the losses were so staggering,

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that we got orders to lie down and to seek shelter.

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Nobody dared to lift his head

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because the very moment the machine gunners saw any movement,

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they let fly.

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And then the British artillery opened up.

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And the corpses and the heads,

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and the arms and the legs flew about and we were cut to pieces.

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All of a sudden, the enemy fire ceased.

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Complete silence came over the battlefield,

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and one of the chaps in my shell hole asked me,

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"I wonder what they're up to."

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Another one answered, "Perhaps they are getting tea."

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A third one says, "Don't be a fool. Do you see what I see?"

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And we looked over the brim of our shell hole

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and there, between the brick heaps,

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out there came a British soldier with a Red Cross flag which he waved,

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and he was followed by a stretcher-bearer

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who came slowly towards us and collected our wounded.

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We got up, still completely dumb from fear of death,

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and helped them to bring our wounded into our trenches.

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But such acts of generosity remained an exception.

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This was war, and ordinary men like Stefan had to learn to kill.

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I was confronted by a French corporal,

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he with his bayonet at the ready, and I with my bayonet at the ready.

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For a moment, I felt the fear of death.

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And in a fraction of a second,

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I realised that he was after my life exactly as I was after his.

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I was quicker than he was.

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I tossed his rifle away and I ran my bayonet through his chest.

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He fell, put his hand on the place where I had hit him,

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and then I thrust again.

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Blood came out of his mouth and he died.

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I suddenly felt physically ill.

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I nearly vomited.

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My knees were shaking,

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and I was, quite frankly, ashamed of myself.

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My comrades were absolutely undisturbed by what had happened.

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One of them boasted that he had killed a French soldier

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with the butt of his rifle,

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another one had strangled a captain,

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a third one had hit somebody over the head with his spade.

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And they were ordinary men like me.

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What was it, that we soldiers...

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..stabbed each other, strangled each other,

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went for each other like mad dogs?

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What was it that we, who had nothing against them personally,

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fought to them...fought with them to the very end in death?

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We were civilised people, after all.

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After the war, Stefan completed his medical training

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and became a surgeon.

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But in the 1930s, when Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party took control,

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Stefan felt compelled to leave his homeland.

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Remembering the incident in 1914

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when British soldiers stopped fighting

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to let his comrades collect their dead and wounded,

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he chose to settle in England.

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Stefan Westmann set up a medical practice in London's Harley Street.

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When Britain went to war in 1914,

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it had less than 250,000 battle-ready troops.

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It desperately needed volunteers to build a whole new fighting force.

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One man willing to sign up was Katie Morter's husband.

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We was very happily married, very, very happy.

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Because we was very much in love,

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and he thought the world of me and I thought the world of him.

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And then it came to be that the war started.

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We had a friend over in Canada that had enlisted over there,

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and he came over here, and he came one night and asked us,

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would we go to the Palace?

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He'd booked seats for the Palace, and would we go?

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We didn't know what was on, of course,

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and it was a great treat for us, so we went.

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When we got there at the Palace, everything was lovely.

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And Vesta Tilley was recruiting,

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which we never knew till we got there.

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I wouldn't have gone if I'd have known, of course.

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She was dressed on the stage beautifully.

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She also had a big Union Jack wrapped round her.

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And she introduced that song,

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We Don't Want To Lose You, But We Think You Ought To Go.

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# We don't want to lose you

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# But we think you ought to go

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# For your king and your country

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# Both need you so... #

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We were sat at the front, and she walked down

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and she hesitated a bit and she put her hand on my husband's shoulder.

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He got up and he went with her.

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# We shall cheer you, thank you

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# Kiss you when you come back again... #

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And I was terribly upset, and I said I didn't want him to go

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and be a soldier, because I didn't want to lose him.

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I didn't want him to go at all.

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But he said, "We have to go."

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He said, "There has to be men to go and fight for the women.

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"Otherwise," he said, "where should we be?"

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Private Percy Morter was posted to France in September 1915.

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During the time that he was away, I was very, very lonely.

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All the thoughts I had was for my husband.

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I used to try to do a bit of reading,

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or a bit of sewing with my hands, to pass the time away like that.

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But it was very, very hard,

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and my times would wander,

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and wonder what he was doing and if he was thinking about me.

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And wondering how he was going on, and when I should see him again.

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By the start of 1916, Katie was living back at her mother's

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and working in a local leather factory.

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One January morning, as she was getting ready for work,

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she had a surprise visitor.

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There was loud knocking on the door, such a big knocking on the door,

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and this voice shouted, "Open the door, the Jerries are here."

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See?

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So my mother said, "Oh," she said, "it's Percy, I can tell his voice."

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And in he came, you know, all mucky and what have you,

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right from France.

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And he only got six days' leave,

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and he'd two days travelling out of that,

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had to be taken off the six days.

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So he didn't have very long.

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And he said, "Now," he says, "now, Kitty..."

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He called me Kitty. He says, "Now, Kitty,"

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he says, "what would you like for a present?

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"I'm going to buy you a present while I'm home."

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I said, "Oh, I don't know," I said.

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But I was... I'm afraid I was rather vain in those days

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and I was a rather attractive girl and I said,

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"Do you know, I've seen a beautiful hat down the street.

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"Oh, it is a lovely hat." I said, "I would like it."

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And it was in a shop window and I'd looked at this hat several times.

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But it was such a terrible dear hat.

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And he said, "Well, come on,"

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he said, "We'll go down and have a look at it."

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And I'll never forget that hat.

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It was white felt, and it turned up all around,

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and with me being dark, and it had a mauve...big mauve feather

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all the way in the brim and it hung over. Oh, it was gorgeous.

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We got dressed up after I got this hat, he bought it me.

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And I took him to Noblett's leather works, where I worked,

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and I introduced him to Mr Noblett himself,

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and they all shook hands with him.

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And how pleased and proud I was when he went in the leather works

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and everybody could see him.

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# Brother Bertie went away

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# To do his bit the other day... #

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He went back about the Thursday night, I should think.

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I didn't go with him to the tram.

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One of my brothers went with him.

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And a friend of his.

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And he told his friend, it seems, afterwards, he told me,

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he said, "I'm afraid I shall never come back again."

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Anyway, he went, and...and then I found out that I was pregnant.

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Katie continued to work in Noblett's.

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Then, in July 1916,

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there was another early morning knock at her door.

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I heard the postman come and I knew that it would be a letter for me,

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so I ran down in my nightdress and opened the door

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and snatched the letter off the postman and run in, shut the door.

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In my nightdress and my bare feet.

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And I opened the letter and it was from his sergeant,

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and it was...it just said, "Dear Mrs Morter,

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"I'm very sorry to tell you of the death of your husband."

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Well, that was as far as I could read.

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You see, I couldn't read anything else.

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So I...I didn't know just for a few minutes what happened,

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but I ran out, I ran out of the house as I was, my bare feet,

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and I banged on the next door, the next-door neighbour.

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And it was a Mr and Mrs Hirst.

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And they let me in and, "Whatever's to do?" she said.

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And I said, "Will you read this letter, Mrs Hirst? Read this letter."

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And she said, "Oh," she said, "you poor child."

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Lance Corporal Percy Morter was killed on the Somme

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on 7th July 1916.

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Eventually the baby became to be born. It was born at home.

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But, er...I don't remember it being born at all.

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I had a very bad time.

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I had two doctors and I don't remember the baby being born.

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And I felt I didn't want to live.

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I'd no wish to live at all.

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Because the world had come to an end, and for me,

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because I'd lost all that I'd loved.

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Katie named her son Percy Edward.

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He too christened his son Percy Edward,

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after the father he'd never met.

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Katie married three more times.

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She survived all of her four husbands.

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During the Great War, soldiers from Britain and her dominions

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didn't only fight in France and Belgium.

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In 1915, they were launching a naval attack on Germany's ally, Turkey.

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Frank Brent took part in this ambitious operation.

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Well, I was one of about 2,000 blokes stuck in the Galeka.

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The crew brought us some hot tucker to get on with,

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but I don't think any of us felt like eating.

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And then somebody said, "Well, you'd better have a snore off,

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"you've got a job to do in the morning."

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But we couldn't sleep,

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but we just talked about anything but the job we were going to do.

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The old boatswain of the Galeka came along and said,

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"Anybody got any of those dirty postcards that you bought in Cairo?

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"If you have, you'd better put them down on the deck

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"because if you get knocked, they send them to your next of kin."

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Well, by this time I was feeling

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just about as brave as a ring-tailed possum,

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and I wished that I was anywhere but on the Galeka.

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Frank Brent joined the British Army Service Corps when he was just 14.

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He was discharged as medically unfit when he turned 18.

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Frank emigrated and became a soldier in Australia.

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Now serving with the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps,

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or Anzacs, Frank and his antipodean comrades

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were to spearhead the assault on Turkey's Gallipoli peninsula.

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As the pinnace hit the shore somebody said, "Out you get,"

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and out we got.

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There were dead and wounded all around.

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And we scampered as hard as we could

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till we had a little bit of shelter,

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dumped our packs, and then somebody said, "Well, up you go,"

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and away we went up the slope.

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It wasn't too bad, but just halfway up somebody shouted out to me,

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"Alan Gordon has stopped one."

0:25:040:25:06

Well, Alan was one of my best pals.

0:25:060:25:10

That made me feel a bit better,

0:25:100:25:11

because if they'd got him, I felt I'm going to get them.

0:25:110:25:15

Eventually we came to a post where...

0:25:260:25:29

obviously one of the strong points that he'd put up,

0:25:290:25:32

and I suppose there were about 20 of us in my group.

0:25:320:25:37

Er... Nobody in charge.

0:25:370:25:40

The bloke with the loudest voice seemed to take charge in the setting.

0:25:400:25:45

And three or four blokes got knocked.

0:25:450:25:47

And then I heard somebody say, "Well, this is no good to us.

0:25:480:25:52

"Come on, heads down, arses up and get stuck into it."

0:25:520:25:55

And we went into it.

0:25:550:25:58

And we cleared them, bayoneted them, shot them, and the others ran.

0:25:580:26:03

And we sort of dug in on that post for a little while.

0:26:030:26:06

There was no coordinated effort about it.

0:26:130:26:17

We were just a crowd of diggers working with each other,

0:26:170:26:21

trusting each other blind.

0:26:210:26:23

A little while afterwards, a bloke out of the Eighth Battalion said,

0:26:250:26:29

"Here, look at that bloody bush, it's moving."

0:26:290:26:32

And we looked at it, and it was obviously a sniper.

0:26:320:26:36

He was a sniper and he was done up like a Christmas tree.

0:26:380:26:42

He'd got branches out of his head, out of his shoulders,

0:26:420:26:46

and he was for all the world like a bush.

0:26:460:26:50

But he didn't look like a bush when we'd finished with him.

0:26:500:26:53

The bloke next to me was Robbie Robinson,

0:27:000:27:03

a corporal in my battalion.

0:27:030:27:06

And I can see him now, grinning all over his face,

0:27:060:27:11

and next thing I remember was his head fell on my shoulder

0:27:110:27:15

and a sniper had got him through the jugular vein.

0:27:150:27:18

And I really think that that was my baptism,

0:27:180:27:21

because Robbie's blood... spent all over my tunic.

0:27:210:27:26

After three days, Frank and his surviving comrades

0:27:300:27:33

were shipped further up the Turkish coast

0:27:330:27:35

to fight in one of the bloodiest battles

0:27:350:27:37

of the whole disastrous Gallipoli campaign.

0:27:370:27:40

The barrage had been so heavy that we thought,

0:27:440:27:46

"Well, this is going to be a cakewalk.

0:27:460:27:48

"There's nothing to stop us."

0:27:480:27:50

But the mistake we made was that

0:27:500:27:53

after we got out of our hop-out trenches,

0:27:530:27:56

our own artillery began to put down a barrage just in front of us.

0:27:560:28:01

Some of it was firing short.

0:28:010:28:03

You could see your mates going down right and left.

0:28:030:28:06

And...you were face-to-face with the stark realisation

0:28:060:28:12

that this was the end of it.

0:28:120:28:14

Despite the fact that we couldn't see a Turk,

0:28:200:28:23

he was pelting us with everything he'd got from all corners.

0:28:230:28:27

And the marvel to me is how the dickens he was able to do it

0:28:270:28:31

after the barrage that had fallen on him.

0:28:310:28:34

And sure enough,

0:28:340:28:36

we'd got to within about a mile of Krithia village

0:28:360:28:40

when I copped my packet.

0:28:400:28:43

And as I lay down, I said, "Thank Christ for that."

0:28:430:28:46

Seriously wounded, Frank was evacuated.

0:28:500:28:52

He spent nearly a year in hospital.

0:28:520:28:55

The Gallipoli campaign never achieved its objective,

0:29:000:29:03

but for the Australians and New Zealanders,

0:29:030:29:05

it marked the birth of national consciousness.

0:29:050:29:08

The date of the Gallipoli landing, 25th April,

0:29:080:29:11

is known as Anzac Day,

0:29:110:29:13

and is the most important day of commemoration of war

0:29:130:29:16

in Australia and New Zealand.

0:29:160:29:18

Technological progress not only created trench warfare,

0:29:310:29:35

it also opened up a new battlefield.

0:29:350:29:37

The air.

0:29:410:29:42

Aeroplanes were crucial for reconnaissance of enemy positions,

0:29:450:29:48

and the British Royal Flying Corps

0:29:480:29:50

fought to gain air supremacy from the German Air Service.

0:29:500:29:53

Cecil Arthur Lewis joined the Royal Flying Corps in 1915.

0:29:590:30:03

He was barely 17 years old and he lied about his age.

0:30:030:30:07

He had his baptism of fire at the Battle of the Somme

0:30:070:30:10

in the summer of 1916.

0:30:100:30:12

The British prepared for the battle with a massive bombardment

0:30:180:30:21

of the German lines, which lasted a whole week.

0:30:210:30:24

Reconnaissance planes had to report on the effect of the bombardment.

0:30:300:30:34

When they began to build up towards the main bombardment,

0:30:360:30:39

we used to go out and photograph.

0:30:390:30:41

And these jobs were among the most terrifying that I ever did in the whole war.

0:30:410:30:45

When you had to go right over the lines, you see,

0:30:460:30:49

you were midway between our guns firing

0:30:490:30:52

and where the shells were falling.

0:30:520:30:54

They had orders. We were told - you know, the artillery -

0:30:570:31:00

not to fire when an aeroplane was in their sights.

0:31:000:31:03

They cut it pretty fine, you know, because, really,

0:31:040:31:07

one used to fly along the front on those patrols,

0:31:070:31:09

and that lasted for two or three days,

0:31:090:31:11

and the aeroplane would fly up, you know, with the shell

0:31:110:31:14

which had just gone underneath and missed you by two or three feet.

0:31:140:31:17

Or flung down when it had gone over the top.

0:31:170:31:19

And this was continuous, so the machine was continually bucketed

0:31:190:31:22

and jumping as if it was in a gale.

0:31:220:31:24

But, in fact, it was shells.

0:31:240:31:26

You didn't see those - they were going much too fast -

0:31:260:31:28

but this was really terrifying.

0:31:280:31:30

One had the sort of feeling, "They're firing at us. "It's us they want to get," you know.

0:31:340:31:38

So many of the boys - my best observer and many of my friends -

0:31:390:31:42

were just hit by this barrage

0:31:420:31:44

and destroyed by a direct hit from a passing shell.

0:31:440:31:48

Young Lewis was awarded the Military Cross

0:31:530:31:56

for his actions over the Somme.

0:31:560:31:58

He was moved to 56 Squadron

0:31:580:31:59

and joined the ranks of the elite fighter pilots.

0:31:590:32:02

It was their job to shoot down enemy planes.

0:32:020:32:05

Our eyes were continually focusing, looking,

0:32:100:32:12

craning our heads round, looking for those black specks

0:32:120:32:15

which would mean enemy aircraft at a great distance away.

0:32:150:32:18

Clinging close together, about 20, 30 yards between each machine,

0:32:180:32:22

swaying, looking at our neighbours, keeping our throttle,

0:32:220:32:25

setting ourselves just right so that we were all in position, as it were.

0:32:250:32:29

And then, sooner or later, we would find the enemy.

0:32:290:32:32

The whole squadron would enter the fight in good formation,

0:32:360:32:39

but within half a minute the whole formation had gone to hell.

0:32:390:32:41

Nothing left except just chaps wheeling and zooming and diving

0:32:410:32:44

and on each other's tails, perhaps all four in a row even, you know.

0:32:440:32:47

A German going down, one of our chaps on his tail,

0:32:470:32:49

another German on his tail, another Hun behind that.

0:32:490:32:52

Extraordinary glimpses one got of people approaching head-on,

0:32:520:32:56

firing at each other as they came

0:32:560:32:57

and then just at the last moment turning and slipping away.

0:32:570:33:00

The fight would come down from 15,000 feet

0:33:000:33:03

right down to almost ground level.

0:33:030:33:04

You had to fight as if...

0:33:130:33:14

There was nothing but you and your guns.

0:33:140:33:16

You had nobody at your side, nobody who was cheering with you,

0:33:160:33:19

nobody who would look after you if you were hit. You were alone.

0:33:190:33:23

And you fought alone and died alone.

0:33:240:33:27

But those who died...

0:33:270:33:29

weren't there when we came back.

0:33:290:33:31

After the war, Cecil Lewis became one of the four founders of the BBC,

0:33:380:33:43

and he wrote a memoir of his wartime experiences,

0:33:430:33:46

Sagittarius Rising, a best-seller that was turned into a movie.

0:33:460:33:51

If only other girls would do as I do,

0:34:070:34:11

I believe that we could manage it alone...

0:34:110:34:13

As the Great War dragged on

0:34:130:34:15

and more and more men were sent overseas,

0:34:150:34:18

women had to take on men's jobs.

0:34:180:34:20

Mabel Lethbridge started to work in Hayes Munitions Factory at the age of 17.

0:34:240:34:30

I was put on to a job in bomb stores,

0:34:320:34:34

which was really cleaning detonators.

0:34:340:34:37

It was very dull work but the workers were gay and charming and I liked it.

0:34:390:34:44

But the day came when I got the job that I think perhaps subconsciously

0:34:440:34:48

I'd always been looking for.

0:34:480:34:50

They asked for volunteers for the danger zone.

0:34:500:34:53

The danger zone was at the heart of Hayes Munitions.

0:34:580:35:01

Set in open countryside,

0:35:010:35:02

shed after shed marched along nearly two miles of railway track.

0:35:020:35:06

Working in each was a team of women or boys packing heavy shell cases

0:35:060:35:11

with high explosive and detonators.

0:35:110:35:13

The machines that we were put on that morning were

0:35:190:35:23

Heath Robinson sort of machines,

0:35:230:35:26

and so difficult to describe to you.

0:35:260:35:29

But they were operated not by machinery, really,

0:35:290:35:33

but by a great weight lifted up on ropes

0:35:330:35:37

by girls behind a pile of wooden boxes.

0:35:370:35:41

They had no other protection.

0:35:410:35:43

And they had to drop the weight down on top of the shell,

0:35:440:35:47

and you were only allowed, say, 12 blows.

0:35:470:35:50

You'd call to the girls, "Steady, girls,"

0:35:500:35:53

and they'd drop that weight very slowly

0:35:530:35:56

and bring a lever out to stop it.

0:35:560:35:58

Only that first morning I was there...

0:36:000:36:03

..some girl didn't call, "Steady, girls," but she put her head forward.

0:36:050:36:10

The weight came on her head and that was...

0:36:110:36:15

goodbye to her, anyway.

0:36:150:36:17

It was a very unhappy feeling for us all.

0:36:170:36:20

All the time there were people walking to and fro,

0:36:270:36:30

emphasising the great danger.

0:36:300:36:33

And we were continually searched. Cigarettes, matches -

0:36:330:36:37

anything that you might have of metal was taken from you.

0:36:370:36:40

And this went on, sort of, hour after hour -

0:36:400:36:42

you were pulled out for a search.

0:36:420:36:44

And there was a great feeling, all the time, of tension.

0:36:470:36:51

A woman came up to me and she said, "How are you getting on?"

0:36:560:37:00

And I said, "Well, not very well - it's taking a lot of blows."

0:37:000:37:04

And the pullers, who had to pull that great weight up,

0:37:040:37:06

were getting very angry with me.

0:37:060:37:09

And, er, my...

0:37:090:37:10

my carrier - that's the girl who carries the shells to you

0:37:100:37:13

and carries them away from you,

0:37:130:37:16

she's a stacker and a carrier -

0:37:160:37:18

she said, "I think the mixture's too cold. It should be hot."

0:37:180:37:22

And the overlookers told her to shut up and told me

0:37:220:37:25

to scrape a little out.

0:37:250:37:27

And...to try again.

0:37:280:37:31

I said, "All right," and my carrier -

0:37:370:37:41

the girl who was helping me to carry the shell -

0:37:410:37:44

she said, "I don't like that.

0:37:440:37:46

"I don't like any scraping out."

0:37:460:37:49

Well, the whistle blew and we went to the canteen lunch.

0:37:490:37:53

Mabel had only been filling shells for three days.

0:37:540:37:57

She was still learning the ropes.

0:37:570:37:59

But after lunch, she volunteered to do an extra shift.

0:37:590:38:03

At three o'clock in the afternoon, each afternoon,

0:38:040:38:08

they brought us milk to drink.

0:38:080:38:11

A trolley came round and we went and we drank this milk.

0:38:110:38:14

And I, sort of being curious, asked why.

0:38:140:38:17

"Really it is to save you from getting the TNT poisoning -

0:38:170:38:23

"it acts as a neutraliser."

0:38:230:38:25

And TNT poisoning was really a yellow poisoning.

0:38:260:38:29

You went completely yellow.

0:38:290:38:31

And your clothes came off you yellow.

0:38:310:38:34

It even affected your clothes.

0:38:340:38:36

I don't know what it was - what it was caused by.

0:38:360:38:39

It was very unpleasant.

0:38:390:38:41

You got it very quickly and you carried it.

0:38:410:38:44

You never got rid of it. Just stayed there.

0:38:440:38:48

You got more and more yellow and people looked at you.

0:38:480:38:50

When you got into a bus or a Tube or anything like that,

0:38:500:38:54

they sort of looked at you. They wondered what was wrong with you.

0:38:540:38:58

We felt like lepers going home.

0:38:580:39:00

But on that day...

0:39:000:39:02

Well, I'd just had my milk and, on that day,

0:39:040:39:08

we didn't go home like that, because...

0:39:080:39:12

..my shell exploded.

0:39:160:39:18

Mabel lost her left leg in the explosion.

0:39:270:39:29

For her courage, she was awarded the medal of

0:39:290:39:32

the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.

0:39:320:39:35

# It's a long way to Tipperary

0:39:530:39:58

# It's a long way to go... #

0:39:580:40:02

The Great War had transformed the role of women in society.

0:40:020:40:05

But women had no idea of what it was really like

0:40:080:40:10

for the men at the front.

0:40:100:40:12

# Goodbye, Piccadilly

0:40:120:40:16

# Farewell, Leicester Square... #

0:40:160:40:19

This world of the trenches which had built itself up for so long a time,

0:40:190:40:24

which seemed to be going on for ever, was the real world

0:40:240:40:29

and it was entirely a man's world.

0:40:290:40:31

Women had no part in it.

0:40:310:40:33

Charles Carrington was just 17 when he enlisted in 1914.

0:40:350:40:39

By 1917, the long years of war

0:40:390:40:41

had changed him and his country profoundly.

0:40:410:40:44

And when one went on leave,

0:40:470:40:50

what one did was to escape out of the man's world

0:40:500:40:52

into the woman's world.

0:40:520:40:54

And one found that however pleased one was to see one's girlfriend -

0:40:540:41:00

and I'm speaking only of the light emotions of a boy,

0:41:000:41:03

not of the deeper feelings of a happily married man -

0:41:030:41:09

one could never somehow quite get through.

0:41:090:41:12

However nice and sympathetic they were,

0:41:120:41:15

the girl didn't quite say the right thing.

0:41:150:41:19

And one was curiously upset, annoyed,

0:41:190:41:23

by attempts of well-meaning people to sympathise,

0:41:230:41:28

which only reflected the fact

0:41:280:41:30

that they didn't really understand at all.

0:41:300:41:32

And there was even a kind of last sense of relief

0:41:320:41:37

in which you returned to the boys.

0:41:370:41:40

When one went back into the man's world,

0:41:400:41:44

which seemed the realest thing that could be imagined.

0:41:440:41:47

# And when they ask us

0:41:470:41:51

# How dangerous it was

0:41:510:41:55

# Oh, we'll never tell them

0:41:550:41:58

# No, we'll never tell them

0:41:580:42:02

# We spent our pay in some cafe

0:42:020:42:05

# And fought wild women night and day

0:42:050:42:09

# 'Twas the cushiest job

0:42:090:42:12

# We ever had. #

0:42:120:42:16

In 1917, British and Allied forces launched an attack in Belgium.

0:42:160:42:21

The plan was to reach the coast held by the Germans.

0:42:210:42:25

The attack lasted for months

0:42:250:42:26

and became known as the Battle of Passchendaele.

0:42:260:42:29

Lieutenant Carrington commanded a company at Passchendaele.

0:42:340:42:38

We advanced, just like those battles, under, er,

0:42:380:42:41

an enormous barrage - a much heavier barrage than I'd ever heard before.

0:42:410:42:47

We ran into a lot of Germans

0:42:470:42:48

and we had a lot of very severe fighting in the first five minutes,

0:42:480:42:52

in which I myself got mixed up in a really awkward shooting-out affair,

0:42:520:42:58

rather like gangsters shooting it out on a Western film.

0:42:580:43:02

However, we shot it out and we won that little battle

0:43:020:43:04

and we got through.

0:43:040:43:06

By the time we got to our objective,

0:43:060:43:08

I found that my company was completely scattered.

0:43:080:43:11

Both my officers, all my sergeants,

0:43:110:43:14

and three quarters of my men were killed or wounded.

0:43:140:43:17

And there was me and the Sergeant Major

0:43:170:43:20

and a scattered handful of men which we had to get together somehow.

0:43:200:43:24

Well, we got them together somehow and we settled down on our objective

0:43:240:43:29

in a group of shell holes, and there we sat for three days.

0:43:290:43:32

On the second and third days we just sat in the mud,

0:43:360:43:40

being very heavily and very systematically shelled

0:43:400:43:45

with pretty heavy stuff.

0:43:450:43:47

You'd hear in the distance quite a mild pop

0:43:520:43:56

as the gun fired five miles away.

0:43:560:43:59

And then a humming sound as it approached you through the air,

0:43:590:44:05

growing louder and louder

0:44:050:44:06

until it was like the roar of an aeroplane coming in to land on the tarmac.

0:44:060:44:11

There comes the moment when a shell is right on top of you,

0:44:140:44:16

and your nerve would break and you'd throw yourself down in the mud

0:44:160:44:19

and cringe in the mud till it was past.

0:44:190:44:22

There were ways in which you could maintain your self-control,

0:44:320:44:37

and there is some strange connection

0:44:370:44:40

between small physical actions...

0:44:400:44:42

If you, er,

0:44:420:44:45

hum a little tune to yourself

0:44:450:44:48

and feel that you can quietly get through this tune

0:44:480:44:52

before the next explosion,

0:44:520:44:53

it gives you a sort of curious feeling of safety.

0:44:530:44:56

Or you'd start drumming with your fingers on your knee,

0:44:560:45:00

and have a-a-a...

0:45:000:45:03

..quite irrational desire to complete this little ritual.

0:45:040:45:08

These minute things

0:45:080:45:11

protect you from the...

0:45:110:45:15

..nervous collapse which may come at any moment.

0:45:160:45:19

On the third night, under the cover of darkness,

0:45:210:45:23

Lieutenant Carrington and his exhausted men

0:45:230:45:26

managed to get out of their shell hole.

0:45:260:45:29

They scrambled through the mud

0:45:290:45:31

to the relative safety of a makeshift camp.

0:45:310:45:34

To begin with, I was in a state of complete

0:45:340:45:36

physical and mental prostration.

0:45:360:45:39

And I think for a few days after the battle,

0:45:390:45:41

I was getting near having a nervous breakdown.

0:45:410:45:45

But when one is young,

0:45:450:45:47

physical rest very quickly puts that right,

0:45:470:45:51

and in quite a few days I was almost as good as ever.

0:45:510:45:54

Here I was - I was 20 years old,

0:45:560:45:59

a young acting Captain, and I had to form a new company.

0:45:590:46:04

I had to begin by actually collecting and organising the men,

0:46:050:46:10

and finding out what had happened to those who'd been killed

0:46:100:46:13

and those who'd been wounded. I had to write 22 personal letters

0:46:130:46:16

to the wives and mothers of men in my company who'd been killed.

0:46:160:46:20

Then we got a draft of 100 very good men up from the base

0:46:250:46:29

and we started all over again and had a new company.

0:46:290:46:32

And at the end of a month, we were ready to do it again.

0:46:320:46:35

And this seems to me the strangest thing of all when I look back on it.

0:46:360:46:39

# We're here because We're here because

0:46:390:46:44

# We're here because we're here... #

0:46:440:46:48

Charles Carrington was awarded the Military Cross.

0:46:490:46:52

After the war, he became an academic and writer.

0:46:520:46:55

His book A Subaltern's War

0:46:550:46:57

is one of the best-known war memoirs.

0:46:570:46:59

He re-enlisted at the outbreak of the Second World War,

0:46:590:47:03

in his own words, like an old fool.

0:47:030:47:05

There were no times of duty regarding mending telephone wires.

0:47:220:47:27

Nobody knew when a wire would go.

0:47:270:47:29

But we knew it had to be mended.

0:47:290:47:32

The infantrymen's lives depended on these wires working.

0:47:320:47:36

And it didn't matter whether we'd had sleep

0:47:360:47:38

or whether we hadn't had sleep - we just had to keep those wires through.

0:47:380:47:43

John Palmer had one of the loneliest jobs on the battlefield -

0:47:440:47:48

keeping the field telephones working.

0:47:480:47:50

These linked the troops on the front line

0:47:510:47:54

with the command posts and the heavy artillery further back.

0:47:540:47:58

I'd been out on the wires all day, all night.

0:47:580:48:01

I hadn't had any sleep, it seemed, for weeks, and no rest.

0:48:010:48:05

And it was very, very difficult to mend a telephone wire in this mud.

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You'd find one end

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and then you'd try and trudge through the mud to find the other end.

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And as you got one foot out, the other one would go down.

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I was tired of all the carnage,

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all the sacrifice that we had there just to gain about 25 yards.

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I think I'd reached my lowest ebb.

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And then, in the distance, I heard the rattle of harness.

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I didn't hear much of the wheels

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but I knew there were ammunition wagons coming up.

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And I thought to myself, "Well, here's a way out.

0:48:430:48:46

"When they get level with me,

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"I'll ease out and put my leg under the wheel.

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"I shall be bound to get away, and I can plead it was an accident."

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Eventually I saw the leading horses' heads in front of me,

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and I thought, "This is it."

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And I began to ease my way out.

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And eventually, the first wagon reached me.

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And, you know, I never even had the guts to do that.

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I found myself wishing to do it,

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but hadn't got the guts to do it.

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Well, I went on.

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I finished my wire, I found the other end and mended it.

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I was out twice more that night. I was out next day.

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And the next night,

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my pal came out with me.

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He wasn't busy on the other wires.

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And after the Germans had stopped shelling a little while,

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we heard one of their big ones coming over.

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And normally, within reason, you could tell

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if one was going to land anywhere near or not.

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If it was, the normal procedure was to throw yourself down

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and avoid the shell fragments.

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This one we knew was going to drop near.

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My pal shouted and threw himself down.

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I was too damned tired even to fall down.

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I stood there.

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Next, I had a terrific pain in the back and the chest

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and I found myself face downwards in the mud.

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My pal came to me.

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He tried to lift me up, and I said to him,

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"Don't touch me, leave me, I've had enough, just leave me."

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The next thing, I found myself sinking down in the mud,

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and this time I didn't worry about the mud.

0:50:410:50:45

I didn't hate it any more.

0:50:450:50:47

It seemed like a protective blanket covering me.

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And I thought to myself, "Well, if this is death, it's not so bad."

0:50:500:50:55

I found myself being bumped about and I realised that

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I was on a stretcher, and I thought, "Poor devils these stretcher bearers,

0:51:090:51:14

"I wouldn't be a stretcher bearer for anything."

0:51:140:51:17

And then something else happened. I suddenly realised I wasn't dead.

0:51:170:51:23

I realised that I was alive.

0:51:230:51:26

I realised that if these wounds didn't prove fatal,

0:51:260:51:30

that I should get back to my parents,

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to my sister, to the girl that I was going to marry.

0:51:330:51:37

The girl that had sent me

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a letter every day, practically, from the beginning of the war.

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And I must then have had that sleep that I so badly needed,

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for I didn't recollect any more until I found myself in a bed

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with white sheets, and I heard

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the lovely, wonderful voices of our nurses -

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English, Scotch and Irish, and I think then I completely broke down.

0:52:020:52:09

Next, the padre was sitting beside the bedside.

0:52:130:52:16

He was trying to comfort me.

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He told me I'd had an operation.

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And he told me that he had some relatives out there

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that had been out there right from the beginning,

0:52:240:52:28

and by God's grace they hadn't had a scratch.

0:52:280:52:31

He said, "They've been lucky, haven't they?"

0:52:310:52:36

I thought to myself, "Lucky? Poor devils."

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Over the course of the Great War,

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the British Army developed new tactics and new weapons that

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would eventually enable Britain and her allies to defeat the Germans.

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The most important new weapon was a machine

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that was initially called His Majesty's Landship.

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The tank was designed to withstand machine gun fire

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and break through trench defences.

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Horace Leslie Birks was put in charge

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of one of these early tanks at Passchendaele.

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This was the first time I'd actually commanded a tank in action,

0:53:300:53:34

and I was petrified. I hoped the whole way up

0:53:340:53:37

that I should sprain my ankle or something like that,

0:53:370:53:42

that we should never get there or the whole thing would be called off.

0:53:420:53:46

We had no luck at all.

0:53:460:53:48

And the ghastly hour got nearer and nearer,

0:53:480:53:51

and the worst moment of all,

0:53:510:53:53

when we started up our engines, and they would backfire

0:53:530:53:58

and you got a sheet of flame out of the exhaust, everybody calling

0:53:580:54:01

each other a bloody fool and waiting to know what was going to happen.

0:54:010:54:06

However, nothing did happen, and we climbed into the tank.

0:54:060:54:10

We had to close down.

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Because the... We were in very comfortable machine gun range,

0:54:120:54:17

and once you were shut down, you were completely isolated from the world.

0:54:170:54:22

We had no means of communication at all.

0:54:220:54:24

The thing got hotter and hotter and hotter.

0:54:300:54:32

The only ventilation was concerned with the engine,

0:54:320:54:34

and not with the crew.

0:54:340:54:36

You could only see forward through a little slit in the front visor, and

0:54:360:54:42

if you wanted to see out of the side you looked through steel periscopes,

0:54:420:54:47

which gave you a sort of translucent outside light, all distorted.

0:54:470:54:55

The noise inside was such that you could hear nothing outside at all.

0:54:550:54:59

And people made little gestures to you, rude or otherwise.

0:54:590:55:03

That was all you could do, your sole means of communicating.

0:55:030:55:07

We went off line ahead, and my own tank was the fourth.

0:55:070:55:11

And we'd only got about another ten minutes along the road,

0:55:110:55:15

when I thought the world had come to an end.

0:55:150:55:18

We ran straight into the counter-barrage of the Boche.

0:55:180:55:21

He'd evidently seen our leading tank,

0:55:210:55:23

which was some way ahead, and we caught it.

0:55:230:55:26

I've never been so frightened in my life. I think everybody was.

0:55:300:55:33

Blues and reds and yellows, all the pyrotechnic colours in the world.

0:55:330:55:39

And then there was the most almighty crash

0:55:390:55:42

and a sheet of flame came up from the starboard side.

0:55:420:55:46

And we'd had a direct hit.

0:55:460:55:48

The shelling was still going on.

0:55:510:55:53

If anything, more intense than we'd been machine gunned.

0:55:530:55:56

I had three men wounded.

0:55:560:55:59

One had got his leg blown off and he died later on that night.

0:55:590:56:02

And we got the whole lot out with the tank between us

0:56:020:56:06

and the Germans, and then sat down to take stock.

0:56:060:56:10

Didn't know what to do exactly.

0:56:100:56:13

Ten tanks were written off, none were recovered.

0:56:180:56:21

And nothing was achieved at all.

0:56:210:56:22

Appalled by the debacle at Passchendaele,

0:56:260:56:29

the British High Command was on the point

0:56:290:56:31

of abandoning these clumsy contraptions.

0:56:310:56:33

But the tanks were given a last chance to prove themselves

0:56:330:56:37

at the Battle of Cambrai in November 1917.

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Here there was no mud,

0:56:480:56:49

and tanks were deployed in much larger numbers.

0:56:490:56:52

Almost 500 tanks took part in the battle.

0:56:520:56:55

We got in, shut down our tanks, and we set course for the enemy line.

0:56:580:57:03

And then we got into this belt of wire.

0:57:030:57:06

It was quite terrifying because it was about seven feet high,

0:57:060:57:10

very, very thick wire, and it was over 120 yards deep in places.

0:57:100:57:14

And of course, if we'd have stopped in that or got our tracks

0:57:140:57:18

ripped off, then we should have been for it.

0:57:180:57:21

Instead of that, the tanks made great swathes in the wire, and

0:57:210:57:25

Jocks who were playing with us, they came through the gaps we'd made.

0:57:250:57:30

The Germans had just finished breakfast.

0:57:320:57:34

They were completely taken by surprise.

0:57:340:57:36

They were running about with their hands up,

0:57:360:57:39

hands down, hands everywhere.

0:57:390:57:40

My crew got out for a smoke and to have a look around,

0:57:480:57:51

and when the time came to go on, I found I had no crew at all.

0:57:510:57:55

They were all looting. However, we got them back.

0:57:550:57:58

I had two men from Scotland in the crew,

0:57:580:58:02

they came back with pistols, binoculars and all sorts of things.

0:58:020:58:05

I was furious with rage, so they presented the best pair to me,

0:58:050:58:08

and off we went again.

0:58:080:58:10

Cambrai was the first battle where tanks took on a decisive role.

0:58:150:58:19

Tanks and new tactics involving tanks would eventually

0:58:190:58:23

play their part in winning the Great War.

0:58:230:58:26

Horace Birks stayed in the Army.

0:58:290:58:31

He spent all his military career with his beloved tanks.

0:58:310:58:34

In the Second World War, he commanded an entire tank corps

0:58:340:58:39

and retired with the rank of Major General.

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