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Hello, this is business live from the BBC.

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Calm returns to global financial markets but for how long and at what

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cost? Live from London, it is the top

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story on Tuesday the 5th of January. The Chinese authorities pour nearly

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$20 billion into money market to bring stability after Monday's

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dramatic plunge. The stock market today was closed slightly lower, we

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will have the expert view. Also, Volkswagen faces billions of dollars

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fines as America's Justice Department sues the car-maker for

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cheating emissions. The big question, how big will the legal

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bilby? And question, how big will the legal

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bilby? And here is how the European numbers are looking at the opening

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after yesterday's big sale. We will assess what today could bring.

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And how social media has changed the firms advertise as brands battle for

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consumers' attention and agencies at that, but we will get the inside

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track from Lindsay Paterson, part of the WPP empire. And the headlines

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read happy new fear? Do you think financial markets are going the

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wrong direction in 2016? Use the hashtag.

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A very warm welcome to the programme. Stock markets in China

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have recovered after opening more than 3% down earlier today. Shanghai

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shares closed just a quarter of 8% lower. Traders described the initial

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loss as panic following suspension of trading on Monday, when shares

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plunged by 7% triggering an automatic shutdown. It was sparked

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by weak manufacturing data and the introduction of a new circuit

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breaker system that encouraged traders to make sales early in the

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day. The plunge in China initiated a big global sell-off. Markets across

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Asia, Europe and the US all suffered losses. So this is how the numbers

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are currently looking, this is the picture in Asia overnight, when

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China stepped in to support the stock market with state-controlled

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funds buying up stocks and regulators signalling that the

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selling ban on major investors will remain in place beyond the rest of

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the week, that was due to expire this week. But whilst that has eased

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the falls in the latest trading sessions, it gives the market more

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autonomy and lets it move naturally. So this is what Europe is currently

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doing at the start of the day. The FTSE 100 in London ended yesterday

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down, it is clawing back some of those losses just shy of 1%. A

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similar picture in Germany, where the losses were much greater, ending

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down nearly 4%. The big question, what will today bring?

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Thank you, well... Nandini Ramakrishnan,

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Global Market Strategist at JP Morgan Asset Management

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joins me now. Happy New Year. Or happy new fear is

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some newspapers are saying, your thoughts? It is definitely very

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dramatic, certainly not what we expected, but once again a signal

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that there will be volatility in 2016 as new markets like China's

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stock market adjust to being a more open, free market and understanding

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how truly buy and sell mechanisms like this will work. As you say,

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same time intervening quite heavily same time intervening quite heavily

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by the sounds of things and trying to manage it as well, which for

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foreign investors is a difficult thing to try and predict, isn't it?

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Exactly, said the action of buying in the Open market, as we saw in the

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latest session, is something they are doing to try and stave off the

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losses but ironically, this circuit breaker that triggered yesterday's

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trading was the first time it has ever been in place, so a new market

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action to try and let the market decide where to stop didn't work as

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planned, so I think they are figuring out how exactly to let the

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markets be more free. And on that issue, the last time they stepped in

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with those big falls we saw recently at the end of last year, there was a

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lot of concern about how much intervention the Chinese authorities

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would have in the markets and they said they would let the markets do

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what they do best and let investors rule. It has not been the case this

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time, should we believe it will be any different next time? I then

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think we can say they will be completely hands-off, this has

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taught us that they will step in if losses were as bad as they were on

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the 4th of January's trading session, so I think we need to give

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them time, take each volatile trading day on its own and see what

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happens. Maybe they will reduce the amount of liquidity injected into

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the market in the next bad session, but each time at a time. And

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briefly, what are you saying at JP Morgan to your clients this year?

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2016 will be a volatile year, you have two remain invested, stay

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diversifying and be active in selecting specifics, not just the

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full index and seeing losses like you saw on the 4th of January. Thank

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you, we will see you again this year, I am sure, so fasten your seat

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belts. Yes, we shall, in the meantime,

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other news. The US Justice Department is suing

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Volkswagen over the emissions scandal that saw the German car

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giant fit software in millions In September last year,

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VW admitted installing the so-called defeat device on 11 million vehicles

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around the world and has now put aside billions of euros to deal

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with the repercussions. Chinese airlines are stepping

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up their plans to go global. Nearly a dozen carriers are expected

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to launch international services in 2016, to cope with the huge

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numbers of mainland These include Air China

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which will launch services to Manchester in the UK,

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Hainan Airlines that wants to start more flights to Canada

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and Sichuan Airlines Copper price has slumped after that

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week Chinese manufacturing data, it fell in December. It raised concerns

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about the demand from the world's largest consumer of metal, a key

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component in the manufacturing of everything from mobile phones to

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houses and is seen as a good gauge of economic health.

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Looking at business live online as ever, lots of stories and

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information and news to keep you right up to date. This is one that

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is quite eye-catching, which is about gun sales in the United

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States, a very controversial issue at

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States, a very controversial issue at the moment, very much in the news

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is that President Obama tries his best before his term ends to try and

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get changes in the law regarding gun ownership, but this particular

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story, Smith and Wesson expects to shift more guns in the three months

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to the end of January, sales ranging from $175 million up to 180 million.

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They are selling merchandise like he would not believe. Jon Sopel, our

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correspondent in North America, you will have seen his piece on the BBC

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about how easy it is to buy a gun in the US.

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One of the industries that gets the world talking and one of the firms

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that does very well out of it despite the controversy surrounding

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it. This is another interesting one, a

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storm in a teacake. These are the teacake may have seen, Tunnocks, at

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the Commonwealth games in Glasgow. A bit of a row has emerged about the

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company's latest advertising campaign, which says they are a

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great British teacake, can the managing director make that claim?

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He is the energy director and the grandson of the company founder. We

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have a boss from the advertising industry later, perhaps a question

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for her. In the meantime, the continued

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nervousness on global stock markets, the sell-off in China, it has meant

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pressure on Hong Kong's stock market. Giuliana is in Hong Kong,

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can you explain this relationship between mainland China and the

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markets there and what is happening in Hong Kong. That is right, Hong

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Kong is a Chinese city but politically and financially, it is

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completely separate and by law, mainland officials have no due

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restriction here and that extends to interventions in the market, so the

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regulators, if they intervene in Shanghai or Shang Jing or in the

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money markets, let's say intervention cannot be carried out

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in Hong Kong, so that is why sometimes you will see rather

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curious occurrences with some companies that are listed both in

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mainland China and Hong Kong having very different share prices on the

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same day. We have seen that to some extent over the last few days. Here

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in Hong Kong, it is a very free market, so investors are able to

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respond as they see fit and sometimes, of course, they will be

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affected by the intervention that they will see in mainland China but

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they certainly wouldn't be bound by those interventions. Juliana, thank

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you very much, in Hong Kong. Richard Fletcher is business editor

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at the times. As we have said quite a few times, quite a start to the

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year and a slot in the media love to make the most of it, but give us

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your take on our part in the story of getting financial information out

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there and getting the story right? It is important when dramatic moves

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are taking place. Yes, you rarely read stories about billions wiped

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onto shares, it is normally wiping off, so you have to be careful as an

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editor to describe a 2% fall is a crash because it is not a crash and

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also, what do you do when it does fall 10% or 15% if you have

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described 2% is a crash, you are out of hyperbole. So others who have

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done this for a few years, markets do tend to smack you slightly, as we

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have seen today and they bounce back, it is or was difficult, so you

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have to get the balance right and readers definitely pick us up, I

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have had a few people on Twitter this morning who argue that we have

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over emphasised the bad news rather than the good news, and we do like

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the good news occasionally, which is important to remember. I think more

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than occasionally, that is the impression we are getting. You have

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to keep some sort of perspective. Yesterday was an important day, what

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happened in China yesterday was important, which is why we put it on

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the front page, but you have to keep some perspective and you can't over

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egg these things. Richard, just a word on VW, that is a story that has

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everybody talking as well. Yesterday, the US Justice

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Department, suing Volkswagen for fitting these cheat emission

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devices, but they have stopped short of naming individuals or criminal

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charges, this is based on VW and the effect it has had in the US. This is

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the civil case, we could still see criminal charges, the Justice

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Department could still bring criminal charges and they stressed

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that yesterday but the civil case will now move to Northern

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California. What I suspect we will see on the civil charges, we will

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now have a period of probably no news as they negotiate, because most

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people expect them to negotiate. If you look at the cost per vehicle,

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you could be looking at fines of up to 90 billion for Volkswagen, which

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is a huge number. What we will probably see now is a bit of radio

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silence as they negotiate some sort of agreement for the civil damages

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which come under the clean air laws in the US, but we could still see

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criminal charges and obviously we could still see elsewhere in the

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world, both civil and individuals taking action. So watch this space.

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We will see you later, thank you very much for now, Richard will come

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back and talk about more stories in the press today.

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Still to come, vying for your attention.

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How has social media changed the way firms advertise?

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We'll meet the boss of global media agency Maxus for the inside track

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on how businesses are battling for our business.

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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In the UK, high street chain Next has blamed unseasonably warm weather

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for what it calls a "disappointing" performance

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There was a fall in store sales and a sharp slowdown

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Simon Jack has the details in our business newsroom.

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Next, the first big retailer to update us on how it fared in the

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crucial Christmas period. Yes, disappointing was the word they use

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about their own performance, as you said, sales on the high street down

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0.5%, sales online by 2%, not the growth we have seen in recent years.

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Retailers always complain about the weather but to be there to Next,

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seasonality does play a part and they went to the pains of producing

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this chart in their statement which shows that as the weather goes down,

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sales go up and we have had this unseasonably warm weather, November

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to December where temperatures were up, so sales are down. Profits

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already coming in at the lower end of estimates has seen shares fall 5%

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this morning. We have Marks Spencer is to come in the next few

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days to find out how the retailers' Christmas panned out. Apparently it

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is fat cat Tuesday, please explain. This is a rather depressing piece of

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information. By the end of today, the average FTSE-100 CEO will have

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earned more than the average worker will have for the rest of the year,

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two days into the year. I put it on my Twitter feed and I don't think I

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have ever had a bigger response. So a little moment for that information

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to settle, the average CEO will earn more by the end of today than most

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people will the rest of the year. What a lovely thought, thank you, I

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am sure we will get reaction for that.

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What a depressing start to Tuesday if you are back at work after the

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Christmas holidays. I am sure Mark Carney is back at

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work. And he is talking consumer borrowing

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levels rising to precrisis levels, so the question is what you did over

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the holidays, did you splurge on the credit card, did you spend too much

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and do you have that financial hangover?

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Would you like to confess on air? Good, bad or ugly? I never use it

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unless I can pay it off at the end of the month. We have to practice

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what we preach, we talk about it all the time.

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We will be hearing from Next and Marks Spencer's. We will keep you

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across the news as it comes in. Always a crucial period over

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Christmas, we will find out the winners and the losers. We will have

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the details right here. Our top story, the calm

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after the storm, a massive stimulus injection by the Chinese government

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helps to stabilise Asian markets. Everywhere you look, it seems you're

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bombarded with advertising. Firms all vying for our attention

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to make us spend our As this year gets underway,

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2016 is set to be a bumper year The biggest drivers of spending

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on marketing and advertising But the boom in social media,

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apps and smartphones are all offering consumers new ways

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to communicate and shop and often And so as consumers evolve so too

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must the advertising industry. GroupM expects digital advertising

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to make up 31% of global ad budgets this year as the industry moves

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online, away from traditional media. Our next guest, Lindsay Pattison,

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took over as chief executive of global media agency,

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Maxus in October 2014. And she's overseen the group's

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billings grow by $500 million. You told me an important fact which

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I can't remember. Tell us about, you are the only female CEO of a global

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ad agency? Yes, depressingly. It is quite depressing. Ben, you wanted to

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start off with the actual nuts and bolts of it. We talked about the

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advertising industry as a whole and it is easy to talk about an industry

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that's been changed by technology and social media, but advertising is

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one of the biggest beneficiaries if you get it right, but at the

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detriment of the industry if you get it wrong and we talk a lot about

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Facebook and Twitter trying to make money from advertising. How does

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that, what change have you seen in the way that you do your business as

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a result of technology? Well, we saw some stats earlier with 31% of

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global ad budgets moving into digital. In the UK we are ahead of

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the market. I expect 50% of the budgets in the UK to be spent in

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digital advertising and the reason for that is because, of course,

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consumers are obsessed with their smartphones. You talked about

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smartphone devices, we expect the major way that you will access a

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brand and entertainment and content is by a mobile device. A

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mobile-ready for a mobile first campaign is critical for all

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clients. Did the industry see this coming? You look at something and it

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has a tiny screen compared to cinema advertising that we might have been

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used to. Did the industry see it coming that you have to win over a

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consumer on a screen that big? I worked at Sony Ericsson, mobile

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phones, we talked to them that the fact that you would take your device

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and that was in the days of WAP, now, I think, marketers are having

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to realise that, optimise your campaign and think about what you

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can do on a mobile deviews, I mean that's an amazing device. You can

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turn it rournd. He can engage with it, you can like, you can control,

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you can interact and use the gyroscope whereas in the past, you

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lent back, you watched your TV screen and you saw a billboard, now

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marketers are having to lean in and see how you can get someone to use a

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mobile device to make your advertising work harder. Does it

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mean that advertising that's effective to the masses has become

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much more accessible to companies? You haven't got to spend millions of

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pounds or dollars on a TV advertising campaign. Yeah, exactly.

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The entry points for advertising are minimal, you can start a social

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media campaign and you can create your own Facebook page and start a

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Twitter account and build up your social media followers and we talk

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about paid, owned and earned media. In the past it was about the paid.

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Hundreds of thousands of advertising dollars, it is a ?20 billion

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industry in the UK is spent on advertising, but starting with your

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own assets in social media is a great entry point for any

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entrepreneur. So you run this company? Yes. Which is under the

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umbrella of WPP, you have been in advertising since the start of your

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career and you have seen a huge change since that time and you said,

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it is depressing that you are the only female boss of a global ad

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company. Why is that? Is it particularly tough in your industry

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or is that across-the-board? I think advertising in the UK is in really

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good health and we have a lot of female Chief Executives in the media

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space and the media is a tough male environment, it is like the

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stockbroking environment, but globally we have legacy structures

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in place. People hire in the same image and women need to smash

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through the glass ceiling, we need to make sure we sit on a panel and

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come on a TV show. You are on the TV, great, I can be maybe like you.

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In the UK, one of the reasons they are in good health, there are

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specific organisations that you are a part of to help women get forward?

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We have a club which Morrissey set-up, we have an organisation in

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London, it is 92 years old designed to help women at the highest levels

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in our industry. We need more of those. We are talking about the

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global economy. We talk about the advertising industry being a

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bellwether for what the global economy is doing. Quickly your take

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on what this year is good, bad, indifferent? Good. Here in the UK we

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think 5% to 7%. China, we just talked about earlier in the show,

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slowing, but we see 8% growth, but the star market is India with 15%

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growth in ad spend and ad spend generally outstrips GDP. Music to

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the ears! Now how's this for a

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glimpse of the future? Well, tech giant LG has been working

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on a fully flexible screen and at this year's Consumer

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Electronics Show in Las Vegas it's The BBC's Dave Lee has been given

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exclusive hands-on access. This is from LG Display,

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the first fully flexible LED screen. You can roll it, and the picture

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stays in high-definition Rather than having a TV taking up

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space, when you have watched TV, you can roll it up,

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put it in the cupboard, You can only roll it

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in one direction. If you are too rough,

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some of the individual It means there are pieces

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missing from the picture. Why would someone need

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a flexible screen like this? Today you're watching

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an 18-inch prototype, but imagine you have a larger size,

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larger than 85-inch, but imagine you have a larger size,

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larger than 55-inch, and you can roll up your TV

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when you do not need it. You can still look at your

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beautiful wallpapers. This is just a concept

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at the moment. It is certainly an interesting side

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of what might be the future of TV. Richard is here with us. Car makers,

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normally it is the music players, I'm showing my age there! The car

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makers. This time it is the car makers. A few years ago, you

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wouldn't have seen car makers at CES, cars are probably one of the

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biggest stories to come out, that will come out this year. And that's

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because there is a great battle between the technology companies and

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car makers. Car makers fear in a decade's time actually, they won't

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be building cars, Google will be and therefore, they're trying to hedge

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their bets and they're trying to make sure that they are part of the

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industry going forward and therefore, they are at CES and it is

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about everything from making sure your connected devices run in the

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car. Stories today in the press by Toyota and Ford and other car makers

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keeping together with their tech trying to keep out Apple and

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Samsung. Absolutely. They want their technology to remain in house within

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their industry. Let's talk about the oil price. A story that's been on

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going because of the tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran. This

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in The Telegraph, "Saudi showdown with Iran nears danger point for the

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world oil markets." They have looked at rise in tensions in Saudi. It is

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a good point. A few years ago, if we had seen the pictures, you know, of

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the Saudi embassy on fire in Tehran, you know, we would have seen a

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massive spike in the oil price and because we have got a glut, the

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market shrugged it off as just noise. They didn't really take much

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notice. I mean oil did rise sharply at the start of trading, but by the

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end of the day, it was up a fraction of 1%, it was hardly up at all. This

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could be, this increase in tension could actually disrupt the supply of

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oil and there is a glut as we all know, but nevertheless, you know,

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this is increasing tension in the Middle East.

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Richard, it has been great to have you on the programme. Thank you for

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coming in and sharing your insights on the big stories of the day.

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