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Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday

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Shell shareholders have given the green light -

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now it's up to investors in BG Group to seal the deal.

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And to say they are on board. With prices at around $30 a barrel, does

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it make financial sex. Tax transparency -

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will the new OECD deal make corporate giants pay

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the right amount of tax.? And it's a mixed picture emerging

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in Europe on financial markets - lots of companies have reported

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earnings as investors cherry pick Monarch Airlines was close

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to collapse just two years ago, but it's set to return to profit

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after rebranding itself And how much is your

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information worth? Facebook says it makes $3.73

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a year from each of us, so we want to know -

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is it right that firms profit Let us know, use the

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hashtag BBC BizLive. Royal Dutch Shell shareholders have

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given the go ahead for its takeover It's a merger that would make Shell

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the world's biggest liquified The deal is worth $49 billion

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dollars - and as well as LNG assets, it would also give Shell access

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to valuable oil resources But some Shell shareholders have

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questioned the logic of the deal - as oil has dropped from 55 dollars

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a barrel when it was first announced in April - to just 30

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dollars a barrel. BG Group shareholders

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are expected to approve the deal If it goes ahead, the companies

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would merge on the 15th of February. Christopher Wheaton,

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Energy Analyst at Allianz Global Welcome. $49 billion, the deal, but

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makes financial sense given the makes financial sense given the

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sell-off in oil. Clearly shareholders in Shell think it does.

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We have had mixed views in the market but it is important to note

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the value of the deal has come down the third, $25 billion, since it was

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announced last year. That is because Shell chose to pay sensibly part in

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shares in part in cash and the falling price has been reflected in

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the lower price they are paying. On paper it seems to make sense because

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it is about streamlining operations and controlling a bigger slice of

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the market. What is in it for both sides, when we talk about potential

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gains? BG, they get part of a bigger business. Shell, it is important

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they focus on the parts of the oil industry they are good at, such as

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liquefied natural gas and deepwater offshore oil and gas industry. If

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you look their history, that is where they have made the highest

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return on capital. It makes sense for Shell to focus on the bits of

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the industry it is good at. What is interesting in the climate of lower

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oil prices, yesterday reports that officials from the IMF and World

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Bank looking at Azerbaijan, and an emergency loan to prop up their

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industry, given their dependence on oil. Are we likely to see more of

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that, with countries dependent on the price of oil, in the same way

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these companies look at the price, these countries say they cannot

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afford to pay their bills? The industry is screaming in pain at $30

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oil. And countries like Azerbaijan, you could add Nigeria, Columbia, and

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Middle Eastern nations. It is hurting. We will see more of this

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intervention at government level. There have been issues in Russia on

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whether they need to tax the oil and gas industry to raise more

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government revenue because the budget does not work at $30 oil. We

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will see more of this, just as in the commercial sector more banks

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trying to recover money they have led to the oil industry,

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particularly the US shale industry over the last five years. To return

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to this merger issue. What happens next? Shell shareholders giving this

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the green light, are we set for it to go ahead? That is one formality,

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the BG shareholder vote today which will almost certainly go through.

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And the green light goes on on the 15th of February. Thanks very much.

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Good to see you. When we hear about that result, the

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vote, which is expected to be approved, we will let you know.

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Facebook has been winning more friends on Wall Street.

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Shares in the social media giant jumped almost 12 per cent

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in after-hours trading after it said profits doubled in the last quarter.

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Revenue was up strongly - as were the number of active users

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Facebook has now beaten analysts' expectations for ten quarters

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in a row as advertising revenue continues to surge.

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EBay's shares have fallen sharply after it forecast lower

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than expected earnings that could mean a decline

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EBay is struggling with competition from rival Amazon and traditional

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retailers like Wal-Mart that are boosting their online presence.

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Rules to stop companies using complex tax arrangements

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to avoid paying corporate tax have been agreed by 31 OECD members.

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They will make it harder for firms to hide money in tax havens or play

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one country's tax authority against another.

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Firms such as Google, Amazon and Facebook must now pay tax

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in the country where the profits are made.

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Staying with the theme of tax, I want to take you to the life page

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because the Today programme have spoken to a Commissioner responsible

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for the deal over taxes and a debate about whether the EU could force

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Google and other companies to pay more tax in the country's revenue is

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earned. It has been debated, Starbucks, Tech giants, specifically

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related to this row. A debate on the life page about whether the EU could

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make a firm start paying fairer tax in the countries in which they earn

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the money. I was going to jump in to say something I noticed today, this

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is my opportunity to mention it, we have results coming in, Apple,

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Boeing, eBay. Yesterday we had a steep fall on the markets in the US.

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Apple and Boeing plunging on disappointing results. Together the

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share price fall accounted for more than half the slide on the Dow Jones

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industrial average. They are such big companies, and Apple the biggest

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in terms of market capitalisation. That is interesting. Please agree

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with me! The world is glad he reported on that news. We have heard

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from many big names in technology. Samsung has reported profits down

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40% for the fourth quarter, It is squeezed at both ends of the

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smartphone market we can talk to Sarah. Give us more detail on how

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Samsung is doing. Hello, Sally. After years of record profits it

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appears things are finally slowing down for Samsung Electronics.

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Profits fell by about 40% down to $2.7 billion in the first three

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months to December. That is significantly below estimates.

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Samsung warned it would be difficult to maintain profits this year.

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Smartphone sales hit by strong competition, and cheaper Chinese

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rivals and at the top of the market, Apple. The slowdown in China is

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taking its toll. The most recent top of the range handset, Galaxy Essex,

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fails to excite consumers and their other core business, semiconductors,

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faces we can demand, for personal computer. It makes components for

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the iPhone and that too is also facing a slowdown in sales. Thanks.

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Ling us in on Samsun, it is one of those companies that has a massive

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impact on the market here. The big loser on the Dow Jones, Apple, and

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Boeing. Six and a half per cent down, Apple shares. A lot of

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companies have come up with earnings. Diageo, better than

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expected news. The FTSE was up. And Germany France hovering around the

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same level, one third. It is reading between the lines as companies

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reveal how they are faring stock companies like Diageo and the

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American firms, some of them affected by the dollar. For a look

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ahead today and what we can expect, we can go to the US. Microsoft

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should impress and it is looking at how the strong dollar is affecting

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revenue. The company has been more focused on its cloud business.

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Amazon will look to beat expectations when it reports

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fourth-quarter revenue. It is thought to have cornered 43% of

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online sales in November and December and that combined with

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strength in cloud computing should have led to strong growth. Ford

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motor company is expected to announce record profits in 2015. The

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US Congress department will release data on orders for US manufactured

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goods which likely slipped in December because of the strong

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dollar and fall in global demand. As far as financial markets are

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concerned, in Asia we saw reaction to the Fed statement about interest

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rates. But they are keeping a close eye on events before they make their

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next choice on rates. We expect it to go up rather than down.

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We are keeping an eye on UK GDP figures also today. We asked at the

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start of the programme how much your personal information was worth,

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relating to the fact Facebook said it makes $3 73 from each of us on

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average from information we put on the site. Add that up and it comes

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to a lot of money. Some comments. Never give correct details, says

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Jerome Hurel. Protect your security data. Is he

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really called to Rome?! If you are a product and you are

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using it for free, you are the product and they are entitled to

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make that money from you. Alistair says few people know how

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Facebook generates their revenue, including HMRC. Perhaps like me the

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best protest is to cancel our Facebook accounts, he says.

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Another says, perhaps there should be an opt out where Facebook users

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could pay $4 to opt out from that data being used. Other suggest stop

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using it. Still to come. Monarch Airlines was

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close to going under but the company has reinvented itself as a low-cost

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carrier. That move is paying off. The chief executive will be hair.

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Stay with us for that. We can bring you more detail now on the figures.

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We are expecting to get a number of around double .4,. .5%, something

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consistent with the economy growing at 2%. Not terrible and that not

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relent. Let me show you where we have been. There is the Big Dipper,

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the great recession. We have been hovering -- between 2% and 3% -- the

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big decrease. Recently we have seen service sector is doing well but the

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bit the government would like to stimulate, manufacturing,

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construction, have been pretty weak. The march of the makers has not

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materialised. Manufacture has been weak. Expects the oil price plunge

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to affect the North Sea, which will have an impact on manufacturing. We

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expect half a per cent but it will not be the headline number that is

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interesting, it will be the way it is made up and it will show a

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picture of a balanced, rebalanced economy. And the cocktail of risks

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facing the economy, which the Chancellor highlighted. Those are

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still ringing in the air is of many. -- in the ears. We have seen big

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market falls and we have had volatile stock markets. Confidence

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is not running at a high level. Perhaps people are not taking on an

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extra person, not investing in an extra bit of equipment. At 2%, the

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Chancellor will say we are hanging in there. He would like to see it

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more balanced. It is easy to underestimate the effect the North

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Sea house on the UK manufacturing economy, particularly in north-east

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Scotland and North East England and I expect it to show up in the

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numbers. David Cameron has is visiting

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Aberdeen, this is a real issue for those parts of Scotland but for the

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industry as a whole in the UK. Extra help is being demanded by the

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authorities in Scotland when it comes to the help that can be given

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to Aberdeen. You're watching Business

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Live - our top story: The energy megamerger. There is

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expected to be a $49 billion deal today. We will be watching the

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details. Until then we are going to turn our attention to the airlines.

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In 2014 - one of the UK's oldest airlines - Monarch -

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looked like it was on the edge of collapse.

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But after a rescue deal and more than a year of restructuring.

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It says its underlying earnings for 2015 will be more

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So how did the airline manage to turn itself around?

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Its workers took large pay cuts - and 700 staff were made redundant.

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It also restructured its routes, axing long-haul services -

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and instead focusing on becoming a low-cost carrier.

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With us is Andrew Swaffield, chief executive of Monarch Airlines

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He has a lot to do with the changes. Thanks are coming on the show. Just

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to say that when you took over, you were not aware of how bad things

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were. That's right. I came in and aware of those issues, which turned

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out to be helpful for me because I think that when you come to try to

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restructure the company of that size, talking to the workforce, it

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was helpful that I was nothing to do with the problem and I had not

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actually been aware of it. We discovered it together. Talk me

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through that moment you discovered things were quite so bad. What

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happened? Escape! I had 20 years with British Airways and the parent

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company. I was not used to being in an environment in that kind of

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state. My first reaction was that this is going to be very difficult.

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I was not the CEO at the time. I was number two. From a series of events

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I was asked to take over. It was as much of an instinct decision as a

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logical one. We have touched on some of the measures you had to take

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which were not easy. We know what it is like when bosses try to reshape

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airline companies. Unions are involved, strike action, problems

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for the users of the airline, how did you go through that process in

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such a way that the company came out like that? I think it was in such a

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way that the owners had made it clear that they were not going to

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continue owning it and no new owner would buy the company with the cost

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base that it had. The lack of prospects and profitability. It was

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about making that clear to the employees and the trade unions, and

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the great thing about airlines is many of the implied he is our

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professional. If you take pilots and engineers and cabin crew, they

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understand if you explain it to them straightforward, they got the

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message and be understood that the alternative was the company ceasing

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to exist so they chose that. We spoke in the introduction about this

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move away from what the company had been towards our low-cost model.

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What was on that list when you said, these are the things that we've got

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to cut. It was fairly straightforward to make the

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decision. That is the future of European aviation. You can see it

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with the growth of easyJet and Ryanair. The long haul operation

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only had two Mac planes. It was not scalable. The charter operation was

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dying. That business has been in decline for years. That was an easy

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decision and it inspired a lot of other decisions behind it which

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allowed us to build a new business plan. We are running out of time but

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I want to ask you a question about being the boss of an airline, safety

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is on the mind of everybody, tell us about that area of your job. I

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understand in the industry there is incredible transparency and

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collaboration between airlines. The aviation industry thrives on

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openness and we have thorough investigations, and then the

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industry gets safer. That happened after a previous incident and will

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happen with the current threat. Aviation is very good at adapting,

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so whether it is a port security or in the air, it will get safer. It

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takes safety very seriously. That is one of the reasons why I love it

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because it is a group of professionals. On that note we shall

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end the interview. Thank you for coming in.

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Diageo, the maker of Johhny Walker whisky and Smirnoff vodka says it

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has increased its global sales, despite the slowdown in China.

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Major bright spots include the high end market in Africa -

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where premium brands saw sales surge 65 per cent.

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Ivan Menezes is the chief executive of the drinks maker,

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speaking a little earlier he gave us his take on.

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China is not growing double-digit but it grew a very solid 4%. Africa

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remains a good opportunity. We are used to volatility in emerging

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markets, these underlying demographics and the trend towards

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consumers and the middle-class drinking better, they are intact and

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that bodes well for the company. We need to stay the course and handle

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the volatility but I'm pleased that our emerging markets grew. We've got

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some breaking news about the economy Minister of Japan, he has announced

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his resignation at a press conference. A lot of attention on

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Japan. The bank of Japan will be having a very important meeting at

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the end of this week to decide on monetary policy. A lot of pressure

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on the Japanese central bank to do more to stimulate the economy. That

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has just occurred. That came as a surprise because they were hoping he

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would go to New Zealand to sign a big trade deal. This relates to

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Braves which he denies. Richard Jeffrey from

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Cazenove Capital Management Talk with us about the other

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stories. We are starting with tax. Google and apple have hit back.

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Google settling with UK authorities and some said it was not as good as

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it could have been, it is paying a lot more in Italy. This debate will

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rumble on. I think it will. What we are beginning to see is some

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international agreement that you cannot tackle these issues of big

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corporations and where they pay their tax on a country by country

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basis. It must be done amongst countries. There needs to be

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agreement with America and the European Union in order to locate

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where profits are made and insured they are taxed where they are made

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rather than transferred to lower tax areas. It is quite a step forward. I

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can imagine the likes of Margaret Hodge and others thinking we are

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getting there. We are getting there, we are still quite a long way away

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from where we want to be, but you've got to take the first steps, and

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they are being taken. It is up to corporations to respond to this and

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realise the environment is changing, people expect them to pay more

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taxation. What we need now is a more transparent system so people can

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quite clearly see where these companies are making profits and

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where they are being taxed on these profits. Very nice to see you. Short

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but sweet. That is all for now.

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