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This is Business Live from the BBC with Ben Thompson and Sally Bundock.

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Oil prices jump back above $35 as some call the bottom

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But it's little comfort to oil giant Shell -

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the latest to report a big fall in profits.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday

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Royal Dutch Shell sees its annual net profit plunge by 87%

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as the volotile oil price hits profits hard.

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One of world's biggest ever trade deals has been formally agreed.

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership will cover 40% of the global economy

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but critics say it's a recipe for job losses and low pay.

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A surge in oil prices has helped to lift investor

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confidence across most markets with energy-related

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The oil majors are among the big winners.

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And Ford is revving up to take on the European market -

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but it could mean heavy job losses and cost cuts.

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The boss of Ford in Europe will join us live later.

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So do you have a question for the boss?

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Let us know, get in touch, use the hashtag BBC BizLive.

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Shell has reported an 80% drop in full year earnings as the oil

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producer has been buffeted by falling oil prices.

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The decline is the company's sharpest fall in

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Shell is just one oil giant that's had to make major cuts as a result

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Let's take a quick look at the market as a whole:

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America's biggest firm Exxon Mobil posted its weakest

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The company is planning to cut capital and exploration spending

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Fellow oil giant BP will cut 7,000 jobs around the world

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It's also planning to sell $5 billion in assets.

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Shell - which posted those bad numbers this

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morning - has sold more than $20 billion in assets

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since the start of 2014 and plans more through 2018.

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It cut capital investment by $8 billion in 2015.

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In fact Shell's results come just days after the company sealed

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a ?47 billion takeover of BG Group Plc.

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Capital investment for Shell and BG for 2016

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is expected to be $33 billion, down an eye watering 45% with 10,000

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jobs confirmed to be cut as part of the takeover.

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Our economics editor Kamal Ahmed is here.

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It highlights how difficult it is for the big oil firms to make any

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sort of plans and predictions based on the oil price which is so

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volatile. Where are we in terms of where the oil for -- firms are at

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the moment? Show is less affected, because they produce gas and the gas

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price has not fallen as badly as the oil price -- Shell is less affected.

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So they have some protection there, but if you speak to oil chief

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executives they believe that the oil price will strengthen over the rest

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of the year, as demand from China and America increases, and all of

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these companies, the big companies, they are relying on that. Or they

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will have to go through more cuts in costs, yet more investment decisions

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which are negative. I was speaking to law John Brown, the former chief

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executive of BP and I asked in his thoughts about the future of the oil

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price. -- Lord John Brown. The big thing I think we've learnt

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in the past is that it takes time for supply to stabilise and allow

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the gap between supply We're back to a period of lower

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prices, much as we had from '86 to 2004 - a 17 year period

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where the price was around about 30 to $35 in real terms

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which is sort of the price today. You asked about the North Sea? Yes,

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Shell has said it is pulling out of its exploration in the Arctic and it

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will have less exploration in Africa. The North Sea is one of

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those expensive areas and I asked him what he thought the

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future was for the North Sea. It has some future, clearly there is gas

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oil, which will continue to be in selective parts, but it is not the

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same as it used to be, no doubt about that. It is a very diminished

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part of the global supply equation. Can I say, one of the things which

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is extraordinary about the UK North Sea, I remember when it started, and

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we thought it would the over by the year 2000. That we turn off the

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lights in 2000, but back came and went, and actually, the North Sea

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was doing very well, and so we have had a lot of extra time here, which

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we should be very grateful for. There is the merger between Shell

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and BP, probably the worst time they are thinking about doing this. It is

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nearly a $50 billion deal, but I think the chief executive of Shell

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is more concerned with making that deal work than he is the future

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trajectory of the oil price. One important thing for our pensions and

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savings, Shell has committed to its dividend, so did BP, they are two of

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the biggest dividend payers in the UK so at least for investors they

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will be some reassurance. We will watch that closely. Thanks for

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joining us. Now some other business stories.

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Credit Suisse has reported its first full-year loss since 2008 as it set

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Trading losses also contributed to a slump at the two

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Switzerland's second-biggest bank posted a net loss of $5.8 billion.

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The Zurich-based lender is accelerating plans to cut 4,000

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Sumner Redstone has stepped down as executive chairman to be replaced

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by president and chief executive Leslie Moonves.

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There's also speculation that Mr Redstone will also step down

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as chairman of Viacom, which owns MTV and Nickelodeon.

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The 92 year-old has been facing questions and legal action over his

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The former head of the International Monetary Fund,

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Dominique Strauss-Kahn, is joining the board of a bank owned

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by Ukranian billionaire Viktor Pinchuk.

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Mr Strauss-Kahn resigned as IMF managing director in 2011,

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allegations which were later dismissed.

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership, one of the world's biggest

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multinational trade deals, was formally adopted by the 12

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But the massive trade pact still needs years of tough

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negotiations before it becomes a reality.

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Leisha Chi is in Singapore with the details.

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It has felt like forever, but it has only taken five years. Thousands of

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hours of negotiations and multiple missed deadlines, this ambitious

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deal has finally been signed in New Zealand. This is the world's biggest

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trade deal in two decades and will cover 40% of the global economy.

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These countries are looking to lower barriers to trade investment, and

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the signing is important, but this is only the first step in what will

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be a long process. The pact will require use of tough negotiations

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before it becomes a reality on the ground. They do so much. -- thank

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you so much. It is not quite over yet, but we will keep you

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up-to-date. If you were watching the show yesterday. Tom Stevenson from

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Fidelity said where the oil price goes, the market goes, and that is

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very true. Shares in Tokyo were hit hard. We had earnings from Toshiba,

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they were disappointing. Sharp, disappointing. Elsewhere, though,

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gains across the board, as the cost of oil goes up, and that is the case

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in Europe, as well. Credits Wiese shares are being hammered today. --

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credit Suisse. Shell's shares are down, despite the report they

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released. We can now go to New York. Some major media companies are

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reporting this Thursday, News Corporation will turn in its

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second-quarter results, the owner of the Wall Street Journal has reported

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three quarters of revenue decline, print sales are partly to blame, and

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investors want details on how the Rupert Murdoch controlled company is

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planning to deal with these challenges, and the New York Times

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is likely to face similar pressures when they release their

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fourth-quarter results. Another tech company is turning in its

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fourth-quarter results, this is linked in, the operator of the

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world's biggest professional networking website. How much revenue

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has it made from ads and paid membership? And an oil company

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Conoco Phillips is expected to report a loss. It should not come as

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too much of a surprise following results from other oil companies.

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Bronwyn Curtis, Chair of the Society of Business Economists.

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We can talk about oil once again. We can see a correlation with the

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equity markets. It is about confidence and optimism. It is. Very

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interesting, what happened overnight. We have the number of

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non-manufacturing index in the US yesterday and it was not very good,

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so the dollar fell and the oil price goes up, then the dollar goes up,

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the equity markets about and then we have a good day. It shows you how

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sensitive the markets are two quite small changes. This volatility will

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go on. All eyes on Mark Carney in the UK, the quarterly inflation

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report coming out, and decision on interest rates, quite interesting

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how people are looking to central banks for help, but not so much in

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the UK as Europe or the US or Japan. They have not got much ammunition

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left compared to what we had in 2008. We had quantitative easing and

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putting money in, but the economy has now recovered. The stock market

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is quite mature, and so is the global recovery. Today I think, from

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the Bank of England we will have downward revision to growth,

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inflation, and in wages, and that means that rate hikes will be pushed

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way into the future, or at least people will expect that, and I think

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the economy is starting to slow down. Although there was a chance to

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hike rates year ago, the year before that, when consumer spending was

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strong, now it looks very difficult, especially with the international

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situation. Muddy Waters in which to make an interest rate rise. For now,

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thanks for joining us. Still to come -

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the future on four wheels. As the global car industry faces

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unprecendented change - we'll chat to the head

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of Ford Europe. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. The Bank of England will issue

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its latest quarterly It's also expected to leave interest

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rates on hold at their record low. But just a matter of weeks ago,

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Governor Mark Carney was preparing us all for higher borrowing costs,

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and a first rate rise Dominic Rossi is Chief Investment

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Officer of Fidelity, one of the world's

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biggest fund managers. He says it's not just the Bank

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of England that has failed in its communication,

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but all the major central banks. Part of that criticism is about the

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whole case for forward guidance and another part of the criticism is the

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fact that the Bank of England's inflation forecast has been poor,

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and the guidance towards interest rates has been too aggressive at

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times, but the essence of communication, they have

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consistently understated the disinflationary forces in the world

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economy, and if you look at the ECB, the Bank of England, the Chinese and

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the Federal market, they have all consistently, over the inflation

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forecast, and subsequently they have been too aggressive in their

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communication strategy about future interest rate hikes. They are

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constantly rowing back. Talking about the frustration that

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many have with this so-called forward guidance which is the new

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thing. That central banks in the US and the UK are very much into this.

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The two and is, it is designed to give everyone an indication of what

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the tank is going to do next -- the two are designed. I remember when

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Mark Carney first got the job in the UK, he said when unemployment is at

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7%, that is when rates will go up, but he had to change that, as

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well. The goalposts keep on moving. You can keep an eye on everything on

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the business pages on the website. the business pages on the website.

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We are looking ahead to the quarterly inflation report, we will

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have plenty of coverage on that on BBC News.

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The oil giant Shell has reported a sharp fall in annual profits.

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It made nearly $2 billion, compared with almost

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The latest big firm to suffer that fall in the price of oil. But its

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deal with British Gas and still on track so we keep an eye on that in a

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new era of low oil prices. Shot I start? You start!

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Now, the woes of the global car industry have been well documented.

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It's only thanks to heavy layoffs, closures and bailouts that

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many of the world's big car makers survived the downturn.

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But on the whole, they've come out the other side much stronger.

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Ford's operation in Europe returned to profit for the first time in four

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The firm closed a number of plants, which helped propel it to a profit

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of $259 million in Europe, compared to a loss of nearly

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And the European market is important.

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But whilst lucrative, it's only expected to

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To stay profitable, the company plans to cut costs by $200 million

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a year in Europe over the next few years.

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It will do that by voluntary layoffs and improving efficiency.

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But what about the rapidly growing market for hybrid vehicles?

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In 2014, Ford had only 12% of the market share in the US,

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compared to nearly 56% for all the Toyota models.

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And then there are the unexpected competitors, the likes of Apple

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and Google, that are actively developing driverless

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James Farley Jr is President for Europe, the Middle East

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Good morning. First, how did you get involved in this industry? A crazy

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industry, it is fair to say. Ops and styles, lay-offs, closures, all

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sorts of trouble is the industry has faced. Did you see that coming in

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this job? Not really, it was a mature industry. Like many of my

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colleagues, we love cars. I always have done and it is still in magical

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industry. Moving people from point a to point B, giving them personal

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transport, now it means something different with software and

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autonomous driving. New technology. So this is a whole new reality, but

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so exciting. I understand you were working for Toyota and Bill Ford

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phone due at a critical time for Ford to say, please join us. As a

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leader at Toyota in the US, we loved our life in Santa Monica and we

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decided to join Ford. My grandfather started their in 1911, a chance to

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join this iconic company in a time of need. And six months later,

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everything changed! After the car industry changed. We pulled

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ourselves up at Ford and we did not need any help from the government.

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We have been repairing our own business, Europe is very much like

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that. We need to keep our costs in line, to be that thriving business

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even in bad times. A lot of topical things I would love your take on,

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not least that trade deal, five years in the making and not a done

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deal. What would it mean? Ford is a free trader and it is a big deal to

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have access to markets all around the world. The biggest concern is to

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make sure the currency environment is fair for everyone. This is a

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great development. Let's talk about Europe. We have mentioned in the

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introduction Europe is going to have another very tough year. You

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announced yesterday cutbacks and restructuring in Europe. What is

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your plan for making the most of what little growth there is? First,

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we have a very important operation. We sell 1.5 million vehicles and we

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have manufacturing facilities across Europe including in the UK. The

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operation is very important and we have a lot of lives at stake as well

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for employees. We have seen modest growth in Europe but we are really

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well positioned. We have made increases two years in a row, the

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cost structure is competitive, we see the automotive industry

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recovering nicely in Europe and we are committing to making more money

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this year than last year. On that issue of Europe, it is interesting

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when it comes to the debate about the UK's continued membership of the

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European Union. What would it mean for you as a company whether the UK

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remained in left the European Union? We have been on record many times

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because of the importance of the EU as an open market, we have 14,000

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employees in the UK, we build nearly 2 million engines, we have 3,000

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engineers working on global engineering here in Europe, the UK

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is the second-largest engineering centre for the -- for the automotive

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industry. And having that free available in the UK and Europe is

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critical. We export 85% engines, most of them, to Europe. Any

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interruption and uncertainty would be a risk for employees. If we talk

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about the future and driverless cars and that kind of thing, many argue

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you at Ford are in first gear and your competitor is in fifth. We

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announced a $5 billion investment in electrification which will be key

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for compliance and that the new reality of an autonomous car and

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software. We have experiments, some in London, running our own driver

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mobility service. It is really interesting learning. We will invest

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happily in smart mobility. We think there are three areas in Europe

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difference to North America. Difficult to get the balance right,

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investing in that while laying people off in Europe. Absolutely,

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but it is critical because our industry is in the forefront of

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another disruption. And we absolutely welcome the opportunity

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for new competitors and for transport is a paid service. We

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absolutely see that as a growth opportunity for our company. Ford

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founded the company based on mobility and that idea is different

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in the next 100 years. And Ford wants to be part of that. And

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talking of technology, a word on the industry that has been damaged by

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the reputation of VW when it comes to cheat devices, what is your

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position? We were very clear up we do not have any devices on our

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vehicles and we support for the real world emissions driving standards

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for our industry. Customers need to know how their vehicles will perform

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in the real world. Our employees, especially in the UK, as the market

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leader, we are thankful that we reassured them. Good to hear from

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you. Thank you. Good to meet you.

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Let's take a quick look at what's making the news

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Reuters reports that The Trans Pacific Partnership,

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one of the biggest multinational trade deals ever, has been signed

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by ministers from its 12 member nations in New Zealand.

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The New York Times has an interesting report on toxic debt,

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with research on trillions of dollars of toxic loans

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While the Washington Post has been looking into coffee pods.

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Namely, that sales of them are starting to fall in the US.

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Of the booming for so many years, those machines.

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And finally, The Telegraph says that Luxembourg has announced ambitious

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plans to become a hub for asteroid mining.

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Bronwyn is back to look at the papers.

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Nice to see you. First of all, toxic doubt, we thought a lot of this had

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gone away in the sub-prime era but it is back. It never really went

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away! -- toxic debt. Just clever marketing! That is not true, in the

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US, we did see them letting banks go bust, other financial institutions,

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and writing off that debt. In Europe, they fudged it and we saw

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recently that the Italian banks are in trouble and may need bailing out

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and there is 1 trillion in debt in Europe alone. It is the China

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concern and the unknown. It is absolutely the China concern. These

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estimates, we do not really know. They say in loans and financial

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assets, it has gone up from seven years ago, nine Chilean has gone.

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That is staggering. -- nine Chilean. Up to 30 trillion. That is a huge

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number. And it is half the amount of output in a year. If these numbers

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are to commit this is very worrying. Time is against us but quick way,

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that story, Luxembourg mining asteroids, they say it is the way to

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do it because it has all sorts of natural resources we have run out on

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Earth including things going in the mobile phones of all things.

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You heard it here first! We have to go, nice to see you.

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Good morning. The weather today looks very different from yesterday.

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Instead of the sunshine and showers, today is milder, accompanied by a

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lot of

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