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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson

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The European Central Bank is set to give its first policy decision

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after Britain took the decision to leave the European Union.

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Markets are awaiting any news to changes to the ECB's

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quantitative easing progamme- as reports suggest Japan is about to

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The US Department of Justice alleges that

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$1 billion has been "misappropriated" from the Malaysian

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government fund founded by the country's Prime Minister.

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The DOJ claims that stolen money has been used to help fund

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the Hollywood blockbuster The Wolf of Wall Street.

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We are not making that up and that is what the markets are doing.

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Also in the programme - riding the currency markets.

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We'll get the Inside Track on how businesses cope with big swings

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And the world officially has gone mad as Pokemon fever sweeps the

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globe. A software programmer has combined an app with dating dating.

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We want to know which apps you would like to see crated.

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-- created. There are unnamed presenters at the

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BBC who have caught Pokemon in this studio. We say no more.

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We start today in Europe - because the European Central Bank

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lays out its latest policy action later -

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the first meeting since the UK voted to leave the EU.

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So what's weighing on the mind of the ECB?

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Well, as well as Brexit, the collapse in oil prices saw

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the Eurozone slip into deflation in April and May.The ECB's job

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is to maintain price stability - and that means preventing both

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inflation and deflation - and stopping either gaining

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In recent weeks, political uncertainty - especially surrounding

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Brexit - has put a squeeze on bank lending as businesses

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and individuals hold off from taking decisions on investment

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In March, the ECB launched a landmark stimulus package

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It has an aggressive bond-buying scheme, but it can only buy certain

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types of bonds and now some economists suggest those constraints

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are tying the hands of the central bank.

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With me now is Kallum Pickering, senior economist at Berenberg Bank.

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What Ben was saying is giving us an idea of the problems injected into

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the eurozone economy, as a result of that what state is that economy in

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at the moment? Eurozone economy has been growing at modest rates.

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Nothing vigorous since 2012 but it has been growing at a stable base.

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Balance sheets are improving and there are employment gains we have

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enjoyed. You say generally growing but within that average growth,

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there are some real basket case, Greece and Italy which have not

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grown at all. That is right. France and Italy have real issues with

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their labour market, they need reform to help increase employment

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but Germany has been grow, unemployment is low. Spain and

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Ireland the two basket cases during the crisis year have been having the

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strongest rates of growth. OK, so given that situation, what does the

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ECB do now? What it needs to do is off set the confidence shock that

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has happened since Brexit. It needs to preserve the positive trends.

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Just pick you up on that, the confidence shock from Brexit, how

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big has that been in Europe itself? The eurozone? We only have a few

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breadcrumbs of data so far. The index for the eurozone fell earlier

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this week to the lowest level since 2012, but these sentiments can often

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overreact to what is happening in the real economy, so we will

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probably see a dent to growth in the second half of the year but I am not

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sure, given the existing aggressive stimulus the ECB will ratchet up its

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programme. Go back to what it can do. You think it hasn't got enough

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data do do anything but it can say things that will make a difference

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It, it can. They Couch their phrases when they say OK this is the way we

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see the economy, there are some risks to inflation, remember all

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central banks need to immediate a target. The ECB's is 2%. If they say

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we won't meet our target, that send a signal to financial markets they

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could increase or extend its monastery stimulus. And Mario Draghi

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will say something about European Governments doing more to help out

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the heavy lifting that the central bank has been doing all these years?

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He is right to do so central banks cannot increase the size of the

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engine in an economy. They can only provide the fuel, so it is the

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reforms in the labour markets fiscal policy in the surplus countries,

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that will raise the rate of growth in the eurozone.

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Lufthansa has cut its full-year profit target after a big fall

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Germany's biggest airline blamed "terrorist attacks in Europe"

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and "greater political and economic uncertainty".

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British Airways owner IAG and Easyjet have also issued profits

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Shares in online retailer eBay jumped 6.5% in after hours trading

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after the company reported better-than-expected

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They were up 5.7% compared to the year before.

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The online retailer also raised sales forecasts for the year ahead

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Elon Musk has unveiled his "master plan" for the future of Tesla.

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He said the electric car maker is working on several new vehicles,

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including heavy trucks and buses that could be launched

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Musk also used the speech to defend the company's autopilot system,

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after an autonomous car crashed earlier this year,

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The online retailer also raised sales forecasts for the year ahead

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Jet jet's cost which have gone up as a result of the falling pound, the

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investigation into sports direct but there is one other story I

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desperately wanted to get hold of. Commercial property. I can't find.

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Standard Chartered. I have got it. They are all linked, this is the

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first time we have heard about this, linked to this probe going into one

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MDB, this fund in Malaysia, which has been accused by the US yautsties

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of money-laundering, or at least Simoning off money to pay for

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movies. It is interesting and we will

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Let's head to Asia now where the US Justice Department has launched

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a billion dollar lawsuit as part of its investigation

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The fund was set up and overseen by the country's Prime Minister.

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But, the US claims money from the fund was misused -

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even though the Prime Minister is not directly

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Our Asia business correspondent Karishma Vaswani has the details -

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Yes, MDB. The to help develop Malaysia 's infrastructure. The

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The heat is sticking round in the south-east,

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but elsewhere it is a

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We could have that insight into their thoughts life after Brexit but

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it does mean investors remain cautious. It was slightly better

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yesterday, thanks to good corporate results, so that is the state of

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play so far in Europe, that is how markets are looking, we will talk

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about that more in a moment. Let us head to New York.

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The coffee giant is focussed on more lunch offers, to get more people

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through its doors, and low borrowing costs have made it cheaper to buy a

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car, but how much has that helped General Motors? We should find out

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when it reports second quarter earnings, strong demand for trucks

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and SUVs are expected to drive sales at home. With other companies also

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scheduled to turn in their accounts investors hope the message is bun

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that suggests the US consumer is in good shape.

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That was Michelle in New York. Joining us is Bronwyn Curtis,

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an independent economist and governor at the London School

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of Economics. What are the markets telling us

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about post Brexit Britain? They are not really telling us anything at

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all. The surprising thing we have had Turkey, we have had all sorts

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of, every time get a hit you expect the markets to go down and it is not

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happening, in fact, they are going up, and I think they are just

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waiting, they have had so many hits they have become blase. You said

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they are going up. Looking at the UK market it readjusted. The pound went

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down, shares went up, we readjusted. Certainly in the UK, that is true,

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they just readjusted prices because if you look at the smaller companies

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in the UK, they haven't really gone up, but elsewhere, you know, they

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have done pretty well. One indication we might get tomorrow is

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the market, the flash data, we get it for the UK and the eurozone, that

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will give us an early indication of what is happening in the real

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economy. That is the important thing isn't it. In the real world what is

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happening, away from the market, away from the numbers. Numbers. This

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will be the first time we have had any real world data. This is an

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early flash PMI for the UK. It has been especially early, that will

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give us a good indication of well, the first indication of really what

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is happening to companies and PMIs are about the expectations of

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purchasing managers in companies, and we expect that you know, they

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will have put their investment on hold, they will put their hiring on

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hold and so on, we don't think it will be a good number.

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Nice to see you. Briton win will be back to talk us through some of the

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Selling sterling or ditching dollars?

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We get the inside track of life on the currency markets.

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As the Uk's vote to leave the European Union sent shockwaves

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through the foreign exchange markets, we'll assess what it

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means in the long term - and why a fall in the value

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of the pound is good news - and bad news - for investors.

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Stay with us, you're watching Business

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Now - one of the first casualties of the UK's vote to leave the EU

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A number of funds suspended operations, as investors

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Well, a new report by surveyors across the UK shows investment

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demand is falling and the market could be taking

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But does that stack up with evidence on the ground?

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Just this week Wells Fargo struck a ?300m deal to buy new European

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headquarters in London, while China's largest property

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developer has been given the go ahead for a hugely ambitious project

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Theo Leggett is in our Business Newsroom.

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is the question, what is going on? Who do believe the the surveyors on

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the data on the ground? You have to drish between individual property

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deals and generalised sentiment. What we have seen with the Wells

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Fargo deal is a single company deciding it has extensive business

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interests in the UK and it is in its own interests to set up its European

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headquarters here. Likewise with the investment by a Chinese firm, they

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are coming in to invest in real estate in the London, market because

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they think it's a good deal for them. With the pound at its current

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level they may think they are getting good value. The broader

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picture is that sentiment across the country is fall, this is a survey

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that is carried out according to interviews with several hundred

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chartered surveyia yours and they are reporting that interest in

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future investment in the London property market is declining. Also

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across the rest of the country, it is falling but the biggest effects

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are in London. I do think you have to distinguish between those

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individual deals, and the situation across the country, where surveyors

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are being asked not only what is happening but their own opinions,

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what people are saying to them, and that shows that sentiment as a whole

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is falling, that expectations are, that in London, the property prices

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are going to fall, in the rest of the country it depends which market

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you are looking at, but the sentiment is also going downwards

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and rents are expected to fall as well. A couple of seconds but what

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has happened to the property funds? People were investing in them,

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difficult to get their money out because property is Ilicic wed. Are

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they still in trouble? People with money in those funds

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can't get money out quickly because if you want to sell money it takes

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time, particularly in the current market, it will take longer than

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usual. Thanks very much indeed for that.

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Bank is set to give its first policy decision after Britain took

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the decision to leave the European Union.

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Markets are awaiting any news to changes to the ECB's

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quantitative easing progamme - as reports suggest Japan is about to

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That is of course designed to kick-start ailing economies.

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A quick look at how markets are faring...

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There you go. The FTSE is one third of 1% down. It is not a big moving

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day. The pound against the dollar, remember, the strongest was 1.30

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three. The weakest was 1.28 after breaks it. -- after Brexit.

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Now - for most of us - when we think of foreign exchange,

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we think about holiday money before a trip overseas.

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But playing the currency markets is one of the fastest

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Small movements in the value of the pound or dollar can have huge

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The UK's decision to leave the European Union sent shockwaves

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Today, nearly a month after the vote - the pound

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is still around 10% weaker against the dollar.

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for British tourists visiting abroad, everything becomes

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But for foreign investors looking to buy shares

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or indeed whole companies in Britain, it costs less.

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It also makes UK-made goods cheaper abroad.

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Western Union Business Solutions helps companies transfer

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currency overseas and manage their foreign exchange risk.

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Did I pronounce that correctly? Well done. Talk us through what happened,

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it is still about 10% lower, the pound versus the dollar as a result

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of Brexit. What happened when you woke up? It was a bit chaotic to be

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honest, it was obviously an expected result and for most organisations,

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the world turned for them overnight, think about the cost of goods for a

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typical organisation, that immediately went up close to 10%

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which has a significant impact for the type of company we serve, a

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small, medium-size enterprise. If you are exporting the exports become

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cheaper for buyers and therefore you benefit. Did you get any idea what

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the net result was for most customers? I think everyone was

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concerned coming off this, there were some winners and losers from a

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currency standpoint but the reality is that it brings a fair amount of

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certainty to businesses within Britain. So that was the prevailing

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sentiment. Obviously right up front people were concerned about their

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financial situation. Largely those organisations that were exposed to

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international costs, they were concerned about that because it has

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a flow on effect. It is great for exporters. You make it easier for

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people to movement here around the world and we know that that is a

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global business and people need to be able to move near round but it

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strikes me there has always been a lot of middle man, someone creaming

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off profit at every stage and you have tried to remove some of that?

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We have. To contextualise it as playing the markets, that is the

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core of what we are advising businesses not to be doing. Too few

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businesses really care about this and actively manage it. Corporate

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stew a great job at the bus majority of businesses, 99%... You are

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talking about managing exposure? Yes, and the risk. They shouldn't be

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doing that? They should be doing that. You were talking about playing

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currencies. They should not be playing currencies, they should be

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actively managing it. How should they be doing it in this

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environment? It is important to understand their cost base and make

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sure they are securing that first, if you understand that then you can

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build from that and you know what your prices are, how to contract,

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ensure you are meeting prize points to be competitive. Understanding

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costs and setting cost rates is important. Very briefly, do they

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have some certainty now about where the pound is going? It is down, but

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it's not going anywhere else? They do have a bit of certainty? The

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certainty is that it will continue to move and that is what businesses

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should be expecting. They need to proactively manage against

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volatility. We are helping businesses to do that through

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platforms and products. Going back to your earlier point, the new

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platform does help to do that, cut out the middleman and make

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transactions easier and faster but also help them to manage their cash

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flow better, especially if they are impacted by foreign currencies. It

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is good to see you and I wish we could talk more but as always in

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this programme time is against us. Thank you or explaining all of that.

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It is nice to meet you both. EasyJet has just reported a fall in

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profits following a profit warning that was issued at the end of the

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month. The British carrier was affected by political instability,

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terror attacks, and now the UK voting to leave the EU. The

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investment director of AJ Bell says it is still unclear how it will

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affect easyJet. The long-term issue is the economic slowdown, we don't

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know if there is yet, but a lot of statistics were showing signs of

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weakness even before the referendum vote. As the industry added too much

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capacity? There was a ?25 million hit from oil increases and the pound

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going down. It is priced in dollars. The long-term impact, the company

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has expressed concern about consumer sentiment in the UK and Europe

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because it is not just flying in and out of the UK. It flies all around

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the continent. We don't know about the long-term impact but the fourth

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quarter, the most profitable of the year, it is around 65%. They are

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worried about consumer confidence but business travel was up 9% and

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they have been working hard on that and it has paid off. Brian is back

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to take us through the stories. -- Bronwen. Elon Musk does not shy away

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from headlines, he says they will create electric cars, trucks, buses

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and this sort of thing. We expected this but it's a big ask because an

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electric bus takes a lot of power. Yes. He has put this out on the

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company blog. He bought or merged a solar panel installation company, so

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maybe he is thinking of using solar panels on the tops of buses but I

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don't know how many you can get on the top of a bus. It would be a very

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big one. The big thing with all of this is that he's talking about all

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of this but he hasn't said when the company will be profitable which is

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quite important to people. You know, it's all about what we can do, but

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what about the battery technology? That is the big thing. Batteries

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will change and everything. If we get that right everything would be

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sold? That is the big thing if you can do that but no one has so far.

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Lots of talk and lots of things in production but he can do all of this

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if he gets the battery is right. He is a great dreamer with big

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ambitions. Speeding people across the deserts of America. Getting them

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from A to B in a couple of seconds. Does he deliver? He has delivered an

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electric car and one that had an accident of course as we know. But I

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think he has pushed out the barriers, other people follow him,

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and electric cars, it's not gas powered cars or other power, other

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cheap means of energy, it is electric cars we are looking at.

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Let's talk about Pokemon Go. It has now launched a dating service! We

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asked viewers about which app they would like that does not currently

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exist. One person said he would like one to find peace. A lovely thought

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on a Thursday morning. Any morning! David in Florida wants to see an app

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called message in a bottle, delivering a message to a random

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person years later! Carol would like to see an app which debunks lies

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from politicians. Lie detector, I like that. Let's talk about Pokemon

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Go is a dating service. It connects, dare I say, like-minded nerds. You

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fill out a little questionnaire. I think you have to be on Pokemon Go

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first. That counts me out! Exactly right! Then you fill in a

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questionnaire, they tried to put people together and they sent

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e-mails off to each of them, and the idea is that apparently it is called

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Project Six Up. -- Fix Up. The idea is that it is more fun to play with

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a friend. Thank you for your company today. Same time, same place

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tomorrow. Goodbye, we will see you later.

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