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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson

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How will Brexit Britain trade with the rest of the world?

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As the G20 summit in China gets underway, Britain's Prime Minister

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faces tough questions over post brexit trade.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Monday 5th September.

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The Prime Minister has also questioned the effectiveness

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of a points-based system for controlling immigration warning

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We'll be live at the G20 for the latest.

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As Apple prepares to unveil its new handset this week

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amid the scandal of its tax affairs, Samsung counts the cost of one

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And it's a new week for the markets in Europe - and this is how they're

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And harnessing the power of the sun - and private investors.

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We meet the firm that's luring international backers to fund solar

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energy projects across South America.

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And as HSBC says it will let you scan your face instead of typing

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in a PIN number or security code, we want to know -

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how safe do you feel banking online?

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A second day of meetings is being held at the G20 summit

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Talks have of course bee dominated by Britain's Brexit vote

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with the Prime Minister Theresa May questioning the effectiveness

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of a points-based immigration system for EU migrants

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At the same time she's also been attempting some fancy diplomatic

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footwork to try and persuade the world's major powers to strike

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free trade deals with the UK once it leaves the EU.

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The host nation, China, is also using the summit to increase its say

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in running the global economy and promote its new regional

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In an exclusive interview with the BBC, our China editor

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Carrie Gracie asked the bank's President, Jin Liqun,

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if China was the right country to be pressing the argument

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You know, it's not possible for you to urge somebody to do

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something while you yourself don't do it.

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Yeah, well, that is my point, really.

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China's reform will not get stalled, and, he said, we will not make

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Some of the observers of China's policies will say, well,

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talk is cheap, their argument being that if you really want China

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to help kick-start global growth, then to dismantle the huge,

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sclerotic, state-owned enterprises, and to provide more access

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for China's own private enterprises, and for foreign enterprises,

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You know, I'm a Chinese national, you may say I'm biased.

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But we aren't just doing the talking, we are

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And talking is cheap, but action is certainly

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But it calls for both parties to do the same.

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That is why I think G20 in Hangzhou is very, very important.

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Now, these kind of discussions, or talkings, quote-unquote,

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Later today China and the UK will sit down to discuss China's

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investment in Britain's nuclear-power station. Earlier I was

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speaking to Robin Brant and I ask them, is Brexit the talk of the

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town? I think it dominated the discussions between Theresa May on

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her international debut. President Barack Obama yesterday made no bones

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about it. Even though there is a special relationship between these

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two countries, he said the US was concerned about any adverse effect

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on trade between the two nations as the UK tries to extricate itself

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from the European union and he reminded Theresa May that the US

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thinks it is more important to reach a free-trade deal with the European

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Union and its Asia Pacific partners first. In reality, yes, Britain is

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at the back of the queue when it comes to a deal with the United

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States. But Theresa May, she will sit down with the Chinese officials

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to talk about Hinkley Point. I wonder if China will be able to

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reassure over the security concerns, which is the reason why we think

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Britain delayed this deal. I am not sure if there is much more that

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President Xi Jin Ping can do to reassure her. But there are concerns

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about national security and worries about the malign influence that

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China may have down the line if indeed it is to be in control of

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these very important infrastructure things, like new nuclear power

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stations. But make no mistake, this stations. But make no mistake, this

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is an important issue further. Chinese, crucially, it is absolutely

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important for them that they show the world they can do big, high-tech

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infrastructure stuff like this. The fact the Prime Minister has put the

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agreement on hold is a source of concern for them. And look, there

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will be no decision here at the G20 from her. They will have to wait for

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that but she had to reassure them that she is being there in this

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reassessment. But there are some on the UK site, senior figures telling

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me that they believe this is a dangerous time for UK China

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relations and even the idea that some are mooting around the Prime

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Minister that you can separate the two issues, this person today said

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that that kind of suggestion is idiotic. Robin Brant, at the G20

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Summit, talking to me earlier. We will be talking to him over the next

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couple of days, hopefully. In other news, Malcolm Turnbull, the

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Australian Prime Minister, says he wants to negotiate a strong

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free-trade agreement with Britain. He was speaking to reporters on the

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sidelines of that summit. That would be good, a trade deal with the

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Aussies! Formula 1 has a new owner -

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after a deal worth $8.5 billion. John Malone's Liberty Media

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is to make the first of two payments tomorrow that

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would finalise the deal. The German magazine Auto Motor und

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Sport said the deal had been confirmed by F1 chief executive

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Bernie Ecclestone. The sale allows US private equity

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firm CVC Capital Parners, And it was a race of a different

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kind through the streets The city hosted its first

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Drone Festival on Sunday, including an international race

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along the Champs-Elysees. While drones are increasingly used

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by French security services, civilians are forbidden from flying

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them over Paris without Drones over Paris. Should we do the

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life that? -- live page. There are special coverage on our live page

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Brexit Britain. We're talking about the applications of what happens to

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the UK after the vote. As we have been discussing, there is a lot

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being discussed at the G20 about what trade deals would look like and

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what relationship the UK would have with the rest of the world and we

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have had some timely advice from Japan.

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Japan, this is the country that has had deflation for 25 years, that has

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thrown the kitchen sink at its economy, basically? Giving advice to

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us? You are suggesting it is a little bit rich? What about the

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Obama saying we are at the back of Obama saying we are at the back of

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the queue? He is gone in November. And it could be a Trump presidency,

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where things will look very different. We're being told to move

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on so let's move on. It is not an easy ride for of us, nor for South

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Korea's shipping giant, Hanjin. They have been hammered. Investors not

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reacting well. It is South Korea's biggest and the world's ninth

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biggest. I wonder, Hanjin is a consequence, one of the victims of

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what is happening around the global economy. We are shipping less stuff.

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That's right. Hanjin's problems are sent a matter of what is facing the

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entire industry. And to correct you, it is the world's seventh biggest

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line. But this is the first time they have traded since filing for

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bankruptcy. It sunk by as much as 30%. Investors are not feeling

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positive about the start because that is the daily limit. The shares

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are at their lowest since 2009 and the company is filing for court

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protection in as many as 43 countries. Why? Because half of its

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shipping fleet and its contents are in limbo, stranded because creditors

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have either seized the ships or the ports have refused to handle them

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because the workers are afraid they will not get paid. What does this

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mean? You might not be able to get your TB, handbag or couch because

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they would be stuck on one of those containers. -- you might not be able

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to get your TV. Look at the numbers and things are starting pretty OK,

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but bearing in mind that there is a lot of central bank action that is

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keeping the markets on edge. The Nick Cave at a high not seen for

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three months following some volatile trade. -- the Nikkei at a high. Not

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a huge amount moving the markets but more economic stats coming in this

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morning that we will keep an ion. As I said, Wall Street is closed today

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but we have got the details about what else has been happening

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stateside. Monday is a holiday in the US and

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the markets will be close. There are still a few things happening to keep

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us going. On Tuesday, Congress returns from a seven-week recess

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with only a few weeks left to pass a stopgap spending bill to keep the

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government running before funding runs out on September 30. On

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Wednesday, Apple holds a keynote event and company executives will

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likely present the new iPhone seven. And the new Apple watch, and

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improvements to its operating system. And Barnes Noble will

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report earnings on Thursday. It has been trying to attract shoppers by

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expanding its offerings to include toys and craft brewing kits as a way

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to reverse its seven quarters of sales decline. Finally, a fun fact

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about Barnes Noble. In July, the company said that Harry Potter and

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accursed child became the company's most reordered book since Harry

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Potter and the deathly Hallows in 2007. The new iPhone seven on

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Wednesday, potentially. Joining us is Manji Cheto,

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Teneo Intelligence, Great to have you with us, as

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always. Where do we start? Samir was taking us through the week ahead. If

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we look back to last Friday, jobs numbers, we always focus on the jobs

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numbers, and the American central bank. What do the job numbers tell

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us about the Fed's decision on racing or not raising interest

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rates? The markets are incredibly divided on the latest figures. It is

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broadly on trend. US jobs are doing fairly well but actually the numbers

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came out just below expectations. Broadly, we are seeing the markets

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reacting, perceiving that the September rates hike is not going to

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happen. But some people are actually saying, well, we might actually get

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something happening and effectively what has happened with SMP 500, we

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have had no movement for 40 days. Clearly, everyone is sitting on the

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fence and thinking that we don't know what is going to happen with

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the Fed's decision. You are coming back later to take us through

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of the stories in the newspapers. We of the stories in the newspapers. We

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will see you shortly. Still to come, we are going to talk about solar

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energy and the firm linking energy and the firm linking

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international investors with the international investors with the

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power to harness the sun. Stay with us for that.

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Thousands of people in the French town of Calais are expected

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to blockade the port this morning, to demand the closure of the migrant

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Later today, lorry drivers, businesses and trade

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unions will form a human chain blocking the port.

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Immigration is a key topic in Britain's Brexit talks -

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but Prime Minister Theresa May has raised doubts over the value

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of the so-called points system used to assess the value

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We are joined from Calais by the BBC's Richard Galpin.

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Richard, lots of disruption expected today. That's right. We can swing

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the camera out now over the motorway, and you can see that this

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is the main motorway leading into Calais. Certainly the inbound

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carriageway is pretty much down to a trickle of cars coming through,

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because the lorry drivers are already on the motorway and they are

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basically on a go-slow, letting just a few cards through, but down to a

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trickle. On the other side, you can see a line of tractors because

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farmers are going to join in as well. There is a group of them

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there, lined up and ready to go. They are still on their way towards

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Calais as I speak. Yes, we are respecting a lot of disruption on

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the roads and also, as you were saying, without human chain that

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will be on the roads, leading to the port itself. The expectation is that

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during the day and we do not know during the day and we do not know

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how long this will go on for. Certainly the organisers have talked

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about continuing it if they do not get the response that they want from

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the French and British governments today. I.e., that they would agree

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to close down the migrants and refugee camps here in Calais. Then

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they are threatening to continue with some kind of action and we do

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not know whether that will be a further blockade or some other

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protest but they are talking about continuing these protests. Good

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stuff, Richard. Thank you. We will keep a close eye on that. Richard

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Galvin at Calais. Calais is the focus of a lot of

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debate to do with Brexit Britain, with regards to the immigration

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checks, which side of the border should those checks be carried out

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on? It is Brexit day, there is a special report on the website about

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Brexit Britain, check it out. Australia's Prime Minister Malcolm

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Turnbull has said he's determined to support Britain after Brexit

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by creating a strong free trade Later today, the British PM

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Theresa May will meet the Chinese leader Xi Jinping for their first

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talks since she postponed building a nuclear power station in Somerset

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using Chinese investment. That $8 billion. I hope she can say

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the word nuclear better than I can! A quick look at how

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markets are faring.... The start of the new week in Europe,

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not a huge amount of movement, but we will keep a close eye on that.

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The pound and dollar have been pretty volatile. It is rising a

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little bit, the pound. The pound has been going up, the

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biggest jump in 25 years. Meeting rising energy demands

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will be one of the biggest challenges facing our world over

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the coming decades. Energy demand from less economically

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developed nations is predicted A lack of funding is traditionally

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one of the biggest barriers But one recently-launched company,

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Faro Energy, is hoping to make a particularly big impact in Latin

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America. It links firms needing power

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with global investors Sarah Chapman is the Chief

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Executive of Faro Energy. Hello and welcome. Let's pick on how

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it works, first of all. It is an interesting concept. You are

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bringing together businesses that need power and investors who have

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the money to put into it. In places with a lot of sun, it seems like a

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no-brainer, but it is a lack of funding. Exactly, that's right. Most

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businesses and energy consumers are used to paying for their energy as

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they use it, paying the bill every month. If you want to do so luck on

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the U have to do so love. That big upfront cost is a real barrier to

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people taking it up -- if you want to do solar, there is a big upfront

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cost. We provide solutions to commercial clients so they do not

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have to pay for it upfront, they continue to pay for their energy as

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they use it. You are stumping up the cost first, but they get the money

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back. Instead of paying the energy bill, they pay us instead. The

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investors invest in your company. Yes, they invest with us. What is

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the climate like so to speak. To find, you know, for investors in the

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solar energy at the moment. There is a lot of energy and enthusiasm about

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investing in the environment. We have seen the Paris agreement

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getting ratified. There is recognition that the global energy

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system is changing, and changing really quickly towards renewables.

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There is a huge business opportunity, attracting the terms

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without the need for subsidies, which is very exciting. We are

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seeing investors coming into this market, it is still quite early

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days, we are still seeing more adventurous investors, we're hoping

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that over time the more conventional investors will be coming in. Looking

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at the finance aspect, one of the biggest issues is land, getting

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landowners to cover their land with solar panels. How would you do that

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was Mike clearly the financial return is quite attractive, but

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there must be an element of having to persuade people to hand over the

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land? One of the big things that we do his rooftop solar, we install

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solar on the roofs of buildings that our customers have. That means they

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haven't got to make a choice between, I going to grow crops or

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install a solar system? It is on their roof, an area that they are

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not using. Is that big enough, the solar technology, I know it is

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pretty good, coming from Australia, I have lots of family who use it.

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But can you cover a roof and that will supply every bit of power

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needed? It really depends on what kind of business it is and how

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energy intensive it is. We are just about to start building a system or

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a roof over brand-new aquarium in Rio de Janeiro, and that will cover

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about 20% of the aquarium's energy usage. Which is a fair amount, it is

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not its total energy usage, but a big chunk. That is Latin America,

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while at in America, and what plans for elsewhere? The first reason is

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that it is really sunny. About twice as much solar resource that is in

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the UK. The other reason is favourable legislation, a good place

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to do business. There is a lot of need the new energy generation

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capacity over the next five to ten years. There is also huge

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opportunity for this in many other countries around the world. We are

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just getting started in Latin America. Good luck. We have got to

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wrap it up, but we have seen sort of similar plans with Africa, right?

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That is also a sunny place. Huge opportunities there as well. Good

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luck with everything. From one boss to another.

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As part of our CEO Secrets series, we ask business leaders

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Here is Stephen Kelly, the boss of business IT company Sage,

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offering the business advice he wished he had been given

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We asked you a question, we like to do the slow reveal... We are going

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to discuss a couple of weeks. I asked a question about online

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banking, HSBC, you can do a selfie, basically,... It gets you into your

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bank account because they recognise your face. Ben Wright says he does

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not use online banking, he doesn't trust it, he will speak to them.

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Good luck with that! Somebody else says, he fears for safety and

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privacy and security. If you have got to on a tied up in online

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banking. What do you reckon about this? Is it better than putting four

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codes? I think there is a positive side to this. We have so many

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passwords that we use a different things, and how many people actually

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remember them? This is taking care of the need for different passwords.

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As far as taking selfies and sending it the bank, it makes me feel a bit

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uncomfortable. When I land at Heathrow with the facial scans, I

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worry about who it is going to. You focus on how you look! I think

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broadly this is a positive thing. Do you do full hair and make up when

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you get off the plane! I am way too tired at that. I guess with the

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thumbprint or even the face... The eyes. I think that would make people

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much more comfortable. What about grandmothers? Taking selfies and

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centre the bank... Let's look at billboards. With the advent of all

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that technology and also some things like smartphones and all that sort

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of thing is, in a digital age it says that billboards are far from

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dead. The traditional big billboard is alive and well. Electronic

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billboards are still big in the city. Piccadilly Circus and Madison

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Square, it is still quite a big thing. The big problem however is

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that some people or inserting cameras on the billboards and

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actually monitoring the activity of people passing by. Obviously the big

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question now is about security, do I feel comfortable going past the

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billboards knowing that somebody is tracking what I am doing to target

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advertising? Maybe it will argue into your bank account! They can now

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have the cameras taking pictures of us -- log you into your bank

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account. They are seeing where we are looking on the billboard. Scary

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stuff. Thank you. That's it from us. We will see you very soon. Bye-bye.

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Hello there, good morning. We have tropical air with us today. That

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means there will be a lot of ground around, a little rain or drizzle,

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especially early on. There will be a warm and muggy

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