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Leaving the EU would make war in Europe more likely

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says David Cameron, a claim the Leave campaign

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the issues of peace and stability are seized on by both sides ahead

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Britain has a fundamental national interest in maintaining common

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purpose in Europe to avoid future conflict between

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I don't think the Prime Minister can seriously believe that leaving

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the EU will trigger war on the European continent.

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We'll be examining just how effective the EU has

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now a man is jailed for life after a chance DNA breakthrough.

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Britain's involvement in the Iraq war,

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seven years after the inquiry began the Chilcot report will finally

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Shut out, hundreds of workers who say

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they were blacklisted by some of Britain's biggest construction

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And the great ball of China, how they're training up the next

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generation to dominate world football.

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Security became the latest battleground today between those

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campaigning to stay in the European Union,

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The Prime Minister made, what he called, a "bold,

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patriotic" case for remaining, saying peace and security

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could be put at risk, if the UK votes to leave.

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Boris Johnson, speaking for the Leave campaign,

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rejected the claim as "preposterous" and said he didn't believe Brexit

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would cause World War Three to break out on the continent.

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Here's our Political Editor, Laura Kuenssberg.

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Fighting over the flight, the top commanders of the rival campaigns

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vying to claim the mantle. Subtle it wasn't, the Prime Minister's back

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drop, a museum that tells the story of so many battles lost and won, to

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give his gravest warning yet, if you vote to leave the EU, it could be a

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step towards future wars. The rows of white headstones in lovingly

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tended Commonwealth War cemeteries stand as silent testament to the

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price that this country has paid to help to restore peace and order in

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Europe. Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are

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assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would

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never be so rash as to make that assumption. The lesson from history,

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he claims, whether Spitfires in the skies, or soldiers in the trenches,

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Britain was proud alone but Europe has been safer united.

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Is this Prime Minister hoped, and today's leader even quoted the

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vision of Churchill. Isn't this warning that best alarmist and at

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worst a bit desperate, especially given that until three months ago

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you said that you would be willing to lead us out of the union? There

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is no doubt in my mind, the European Union has helped ring former

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adversaries together. Until now, the government was using its full force

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to say that we would be poorer if we left the European Union. The shiny

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diplomatic cars parked up at the speech today show that the argument

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over our place in the world is well and truly on. -- has helped bring.

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To the anger of some, the in campaign circulated a video of

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veterans testimonies. But that argument was turned on its head by

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the out campaign's biggest draw. I saw myself the disaster in the

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Balkans, when the EU was charged and mandated with sorting out the former

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Yugoslavia. I saw how actually it was Nato and the American led

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alliance that had to come in and sort it out. It is now the US itself

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and its anti-democratic tendencies that are a force for instability and

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alienation. The think David Cameron is telling the truth when he tells

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voters that leaving Bees you would risk peace on our continent? I do

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not believe that leading Bees you would cause world War three to break

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out on the European continent. This side needs plenty of shoe leather to

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make their arguments, not least as Boris Johnson burst into song in

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German. LAUGHTER Yes, sung in German, to kill

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accusations that they are not just backward looking little Englanders.

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The past does loom over this campaign, the history of this

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country and the Tory party, who have split time and again over Europe.

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This is such a big decision about our place in the world, not

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surprisingly both sides are too tried to take the patriotic high

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ground. There are conflicts are personal as well as political. This

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is about war and peace in the Tory party. As the referendum battle

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really starts to raw, it is hard to see how they will afterwards call a

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truce. -- roar. STUDIO: Well, both sides drew

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on history to support arguments over the EU

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and security today. So just how effective has it been

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in ensuring peace on the continent? Our Diplomatic Correspondent,

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James Robbins has this assessment. VOICEOVER: Here we are, London...

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London, 1945, much of Europe was in ruins after two world wars in 40

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years, something in relations would win warring states, particularly

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France and Germany, had to change, Winston George was blunt, his speech

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in Zurich demanded a united Europe. If we are to form the United States

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of Europe, or whatever name it may take, we

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must begin now. Did he mean that Britain was to be part of that?

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Leading historians profoundly disagree. The first full leave, the

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second four remain. It is quite clear that he did not expect Britain

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to be part of this enterprise at all. -- the first for leave, the

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second for remained. What our history tells us is that for much

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the part of history, the larger part of history, our affairs have been

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inextricable from those of the continent, even when we wanted to

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withdraw, as in the early 20th century, we were drawn back in again

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and again. By 1957, six Nations, France, Germany and Italy among

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them, were ready to sign the Treaty of Rome, launching the European

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economic community, and embrace designed to make another war all but

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impossible. Britain, the island nation, kept its distance. This is

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the room... This veteran BBC correspondent witnessed the moment,

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he was a trainee with Reuters news agency, you're a member 's British

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detachment, even disdain. Invited as it was not even the story of the

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day. -- in Reuters. I sense just to see if anything went

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wrong, I was the youngest member of the team, the fact that I was sent

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to cover it ago, back in 1957, for the written

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six member countries, all political

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roads lead to Rome, and the Treaty, but for

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Britain, very much in position of an Britain did join eventually in 1973,

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and peace as range, at least inside the expanding club. -- piece did

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rain. In the 1990s, on its own, the EU could not prevent

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or hold wars in former Yugoslavia. --

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peace. pushing for closer links to hard and

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too fast. Former Labour Foreign Secretary Lord Owen, one-time

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enthusiasts, wants Britain to leave the EU now, condemning its record.

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Peace has been maintained not by EU but by Nato. We took them too far to

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the boundaries of the Russian Federation. -- to close. The mess we

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are in over Ukraine is to quite a large extent our own fault. That is

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not to justify the outrageous annexation of the Crimea or the

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continued fighting. -- too close. But, the EU, the EU Ukraine

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agreement was inflammatory. Those views drew heavy return fire today

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from several parts of Europe, complains that history is being

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rewritten. It is clearer than ever now that this referendum is about

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opposing views of the past as well as competing visions of the future.

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STUDIO: And James Robins is with me now.

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Two very different takes on the role the EU plays in peace

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What is really notable is that this argument has opened up Britain's

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debate the voices from mainland Europe who have previously tried to

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stay out of the referendum campaign. Explosively, I think. The former

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prominence of Sweden, Carl Bildt, he has called Boris Johnson an

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apologist for Russian's president Vladimir Putin, and I can tell you

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that five former secretary-general of Nato, two of them British, the

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three others from Denmark, the Netherlands and Spain, have written

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a letter to appear in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, and it is also

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very strongly worded. " Britain's exit would lead to a loss of British

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influence, undermine Nato and give succour to the west's enemies just

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when we face threats on our doorstep. Not surprisingly, Downing

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Street has drawn attention to this letter, they are delighted with it.

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It should be pointed out that there had been other voices from within

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the security and defence establishment and they have taken

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the other view, they think that Brexit would be a good thing for

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Britain. And there's plenty more on the EU

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and how it works plus information about the referendum

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on the BBC website. A man has been jailed

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for life for murdering Christopher Hampton finally admitted

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stabbing Melanie Road to death The 64-year-old was caught

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after his daughter's DNA was put on the national database last year

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following a domestic incident. and Melanie Road was

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studying for her A-levels. She had been out clubbing

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with friends, but on the way home the schoolgirl was raped

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and stabbed to death. Melanie walked back

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on her own that night. It is only about half a mile

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from the centre of Bath Her body was discovered by a milkman

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the next morning, next to some garages

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in a quiet cul-de-sac. The police filmed drops

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of the killer's blood at the scene, and over the years thousands

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of local men but the murderer

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was not identified. Scientists found that a DNA swab

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taken from a woman in an unrelated case was similar to DNA

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found at the scene. That new sample came

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from the daughter of this man, He in turn was tested,

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and there was a complete match. Today, 32 years later,

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he admitted murdering Melanie. Melanie's mum said she can't believe

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Hampton could murder a girl he didn't know and then

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hide his secret for so long. I always said if I got hold of him,

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I would strangle him or stick a knife into him,

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and that is how I felt. But I wouldn't even use

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my energy up on him. I feel he should be shut up

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in a dungeon like they used

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to in the olden days Over the decades, 700 police

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officers have worked on the case. They hoped advances in science

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would one day identify the killer. But soon after the attack,

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Hampton had moved away from Bath to Bristol, where he had had

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a family and kept his He has managed somehow to live

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with this terrible secret. I have no idea how his conscience

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has allowed him to do that, Hampton was told he would

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serve at least 22 years Given that he is now in his mid 60s,

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the judge said he may Jon Kay, BBC News,

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Bristol Crown Court. STUDIO: The long-awaited report

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into Britain's involvement in the war in Iraq will finally be

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published on July 6th. The inquiry led by Sir John Chilcot

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was set up seven years ago, has cost more than ?10 million

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and has heard evidence from 150 witnesses including the former

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Prime Minister Tony Blair. Here's our political

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correspondent Vicki Young. March 2003, and the attack on Saddam

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Hussein begins - one of the most controversial foreign policy

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decisions ever made by a British Soon, we'll have the official

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version of what led our The task handed to Sir John Chilcot

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and his team seven years ago was to examine the run-up to war

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and whether planning We will approach our task in a way

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that is thorough, Rose Gentle's son Gordon

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was killed in 2004. She says the families

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of the soldiers who died in Iraq We know there is going be a lot held

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back from us, but we will but we will see what we can make out

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which is actually in it. If there's anybody accountable

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for it, they should be mentioned. Tony Blair has denied

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he is to blame for slow progress, but there was a dispute

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about the publication of classified documents,

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and his correspondence Plus, those criticised in the report

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have had the right to reply - a process which has added years

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to Sir John Chilcot's timetable. About "expletive deleted",

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"expletive deleted" time, most people I think

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in Britain would say. The truth is, if it was the case

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that the Government laid on in the conditions they did,

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he probably had no option but to do what he did - I'm not sure

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he should be blamed for that. The question is, how do we do these

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things in future? And the answer is, we need to do

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it better than this. The Iraq inquiry was never supposed

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to be about apportioning blame. Crucial will be its assessment

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of whether troops were We need to consider exactly

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what the right mechanism is for having a way of learning

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the right lessons out And perhaps if Sir John had reported

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before we got engaged in Libya, there might have been some lessons

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which would have been useful for our current

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Prime Minister to draw on. There is relief in Westminster

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that this report of more than 2.5 million words will finally

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see the light of day in July. Bereaved families want military

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leaders and politicians held But there are some who fear

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that it is now so long since those events in Iraq that the impact

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of the inquiry could be lost. Claims that hospital patients

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in England are more likely to die at weekends are based on flawed

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data, according to new research It says the variation in mortality

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rates is down to differences The so-called weekend effect has

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been a key factor behind the Government's push to change

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junior doctors' contracts Are patients going into hospital

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at weekends more likely to die within a certain time than those

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admitted on weekdays? It has turned into a highly

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controversial debate, as the Government calls

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for better NHS services We are absolutely determined

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to eliminate the weekend effect, which sees 11,000 excess

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deaths every year. It has become a key issue

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in the junior doctors' dispute. Ministers argue that more staff

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are needed at weekends Junior doctors say they already

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worked on Saturdays and Sundays, Junior doctors say they already work

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on Saturdays and Sundays, and challenge the idea

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of a weekend effect. Now, one medical expert has

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questioned the data behind We certainly found no evidence

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when we put together It really is an excellent example

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of how poor-quality data badly interpreted can lead

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to the wrong answer. The study looked at data from one

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area used in death rate analysis, 1,700 reported hospital

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stroke admissions, more for more routine problems,

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which were mostly on weekdays, and with a lower risk of death,

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leading to a false impression that Research published last year

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which pointed to a higher risk of dying for patients who went

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into hospital at weekends has been Today, one of the authors

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defended the findings, It would be great if

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this was the solution, But actually, sadly,

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that isn't the case, This doesn't undermine

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the study that we conducted, and there is still a major problem

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in the NHS at the weekend. This latest row over NHS weekend

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services and death rates comes at a sensitive

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time in the junior doctor dispute. Today, for the first time in three

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months, the British Medical Association and the Government

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sat down for talks, to try and resolve

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their differences. Whatever the outcome of the talks,

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the debate over weekend patient care is far from over -

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the Government insisting there is evidence that standards

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are lower than during the week, while critics continue to scrutinise

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and challenge that evidence. In North Korea, rare access has

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been given to witness the Workers Party congress,

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which today re-elected But the BBC has expressed

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disappointment that one of its news teams has been

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expelled from the country. The authorities in Pyongyang

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questioned Rupert Wingfield-Hayes for eight hours for what they

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described as improper reporting. Other staff remained

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to cover the congress, including our correspondent

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John Sudworth. For the first time, foreign

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journalists were invited inside Before, we had only

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seen the TV pictures. But now we could quite

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literally feel the mass political CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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AND TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYS And there, a few rows away,

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was Kim Jong-un, a young man just given yet another title,

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unanimously of course - It is an extraordinary sight -

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the highest political gathering of one of the world's

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most totalitarian regimes. At there at the front,

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the supreme leader of a country that has long defied

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predictions of its imminent demise. Earlier in the day, we were given

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a glimpse of another enduring fact of North Korean life -

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the suppression HE SPEAKS IN NORTH KOREAN, MENTIONS

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NAME OF RUPERT WINGFIELD-HAYES Rupert Wingfield-Hayes,

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a BBC colleague who had also been reporting from Pyongyang,

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was being expelled. North Korean officials made it clear

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they objected to his reporting. During their coverage,

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they were not very just in terms the system in the DPRK,

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and they even made distorted facts, the realities about the situation,

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and they were speaking very the leadership of the country,

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when they should have been reporting very fairly,

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objectively and very correctly. Rupert was driven to the airport

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and put on a flight to Beijing. Foreign media visits are always

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tightly-controlled, but Meanwhile, we've been allowed

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to continue our reporting trip with the numerous visits

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to factories and monuments. This is a country that cares deeply

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what the outside world I ask one of the workers

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about the deep economic crisis. "Nonsense, that's just

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a lie," she tells me. The powerful propaganda has helped

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this system endure, with a message The outside world is welcome,

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but only on North Korea's terms. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says

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the party is "not yet doing enough" to win back power in 2020,

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but has insisted things are moving He told Labour MPs to stop

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criticising his leadership in public.

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Our political correspondent Carole Walker is at

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Carole, how did this message go down?

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He was greeted warmly, he said there were real signs that Labour's

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recovery was under way, but that the performance in the elections in

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Scotland was very disappointing, and the party had not yet done enough

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for 2020. This was exactly what many of his critics in the party had been

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saying. They had been saying that Jeremy Corbyn as the leader needs to

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take some of the blame for that. But Mr Corbyn's message was that instead

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of parading themselves around the media Studios, they should be

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turning their fire on the Tories instead of talking about themselves.

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Sadiq Khan, the newly elected London mayor, also addressed the meeting,

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and had a rather upbeat message. He said that with the right approach,

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Labour could still win in 2020. And he intended to show by his actions

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in City Hall, reaching out to everyone, that Labour could be

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trusted to govern again. It was certainly said it can't got the

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biggest cheers of the night. Buoyed by that election victory, and

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interesting talking to some Labour MPs afterwards, some of them felt

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that it was a Sadiq Khan who had delivered a more impressive speech

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than the party leader. The battle to contain the wildfires

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in Canada has reached a turning point, thanked two weather

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conditions, according to some observers. A BBC team has reached

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the town of Fort McMurray, which was evacuated. 80,000 people were forced

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to leave their homes. A fifth of the town was destroyed. Wildfires have

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been raging across Alberta for more than a week.

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More than 700 workers who say they were blacklisted by some

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of Britain's biggest builders because of their political views

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or trade union membership have won millions of pounds

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in compensation after a long legal battle.

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Their names appeared on a database used by major construction

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firms including Balfour Beatty and McAlpine.

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Our industry correspondent John Moylan has the story.

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It has been called a national scandal, a so-called blacklist

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operated in the construction industry involving leading firms

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including McAlpine, Balfour Beatty and Karelian, all now facing

:25:11.:25:15.

multi-million pound pay-outs. It is unbelievable that people could keep

:25:16.:25:19.

these secret files for decades. It has hit people like Sandie, who says

:25:20.:25:23.

he was blacklisted from sites in the early 1980s for being an active

:25:24.:25:28.

trade unionist. He had to look for lower paid jobs. Working for the

:25:29.:25:33.

local council on ?200 a week is very different from working on a building

:25:34.:25:37.

site where you can earn ?500 a week or more. It is a financial loss,

:25:38.:25:42.

possibly hundreds of thousands at the end of the day. You don't get

:25:43.:25:49.

that back. You would probably be able to live a different life today.

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His file one of more than 3000 uncovered in a raid on these offices

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in Worcestershire six years ago. The database held details of workers was

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no political affiliations and union activities. It was used by the

:26:04.:26:07.

companies to vet workers on projects including the Olympics. Details of

:26:08.:26:11.

the settlements in this long-running legal saga have now emerged. The

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case involved 771 workers. The total paid in compensation and legal fees

:26:18.:26:23.

by the firms is thought to be in the region of ?75 million. Individual

:26:24.:26:31.

workers have received between ?25 and ?200,000. Some say it is not

:26:32.:26:36.

enough. It does not provide accountability for actions. There

:26:37.:26:40.

were named defendants. Those named defendants should be required to

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give evidence to a public inquiry as to what was going through their

:26:44.:26:47.

minds when they created this list. And clearly these companies have to

:26:48.:26:50.

answer questions as to whether or not they are suitable for public

:26:51.:26:54.

procurement. Tonight, the firms repeated their unreserved apology

:26:55.:26:58.

for the part on what they call a vetting information system. They

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added that they deeply regretted the impact it had on employment

:27:05.:27:07.

opportunities and the anxiety caused. The firms hope the

:27:08.:27:10.

settlement will draw a line under the matter, the end of a dark

:27:11.:27:13.

chapter in Britain's industrial history.

:27:14.:27:16.

Sky watchers across the world have been treated to the sight

:27:17.:27:19.

of Mercury, this small black dot, moving across the face of the sun

:27:20.:27:22.

Travelling at around 30 miles per second, it took Mercury more

:27:23.:27:26.

This move happens only about 14 times each century.

:27:27.:27:32.

Could the world's great footballing nations -

:27:33.:27:35.

Brazil, Germany, Italy - soon be joined by China?

:27:36.:27:38.

The Chinese Government certainly thinks they could,

:27:39.:27:41.

and it has come up with a massive national plan to try

:27:42.:27:44.

to make it happen, led by the president Xi Jinping.

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He wants 50 million Chinese people to be playing the game by 2020.

:27:48.:27:51.

He has ordered 6,000 pitches and stadiums

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And he is setting up 50,000 football schools within 10 years.

:27:56.:28:04.

Our sports correspondent Richard Conway sent this special

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The rhythm of football is taking hold across the most populous nation

:28:07.:28:17.

And there is fierce competitive ambition

:28:18.:28:20.

here to have the best league and to be the best national team

:28:21.:28:23.

I'm fine. And you...?

:28:24.:28:27.

One familiar face has lived and worked here for three years,

:28:28.:28:30.

and insists there is no end in sight to the game's rapid growth.

:28:31.:28:33.

Recently, this season, it's gone crazy.

:28:34.:28:36.

The big, foreign names, they were not really

:28:37.:28:41.

Only when they are getting older, on the way down.

:28:42.:28:46.

But now, even when they are at their peak, they are

:28:47.:28:49.

When Jiangsu Suning took Ramires from Chelsea and Liverpool lost out

:28:50.:28:57.

on Brazilian striker Alex Teixeira earlier this year,

:28:58.:29:01.

they became the biggest spending Chinese club, and the world

:29:02.:29:04.

China's leading players' agent believes more stars will now follow.

:29:05.:29:11.

We had a saying, like, OK, the only two players

:29:12.:29:14.

China in this window is Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi!

:29:15.:29:18.

So the other names, it's all highly possible!

:29:19.:29:23.

It's here in Tiananmen Square that China's political power is centred.

:29:24.:29:26.

It has also been the location for some of the darker

:29:27.:29:29.

But President Xi Jinping is firmly focused on China's future.

:29:30.:29:33.

He wants the country to be a global leader in football, hosting

:29:34.:29:37.

A football-supporting President has motives beyond sport, though.

:29:38.:29:43.

There is an ambition to diversify the economy and for China to exert

:29:44.:29:46.

Two hours' drive east of Beijing lies the rural

:29:47.:29:57.

It's here that the President's plan is starting to take shape.

:29:58.:30:02.

It's home to this elementary school, which lies in the shadow

:30:03.:30:04.

These six- and seven-year-olds are pioneers.

:30:05.:30:10.

They attend one of China's first designated football schools

:30:11.:30:13.

and provide a first glimpse of their President's vision

:30:14.:30:16.

I just want them to practise walking around with the ball...

:30:17.:30:21.

The unlikely American forging a new path for the People's Republic

:30:22.:30:24.

Having achieved cult status in Japan,

:30:25.:30:32.

contributing to their football development, he's been headhunted

:30:33.:30:34.

by their neighbours and rivals to deliver similar results.

:30:35.:30:37.

The economy surpassed Japan, so they're the number two economy,

:30:38.:30:40.

they're putting rockets up into space, everything's going good,

:30:41.:30:43.

but they can't beat countries like Thailand in a football match.

:30:44.:30:47.

In the past, the professional game has faced allegations of corruption,

:30:48.:30:52.

and has been described by observers as chaotically-run.

:30:53.:30:57.

But if any country knows about manufacturing

:30:58.:30:59.

Everything appears to be in place, but they will need to be patient.

:31:00.:31:06.

It may take another generation before we see a World Cup victory

:31:07.:31:09.

Newsnight is about to begin over on BBC Two in a few moments.

:31:10.:31:19.

Project Fear has stepped up a gear with that warning of instability in

:31:20.:31:33.

Europe if we leave the EU. Liam Fox, former Defence Secretary, will be

:31:34.:31:37.

with us to assess that risk. Join me for

:31:38.:31:38.

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