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Tonight at Ten, the urgent need to improve safety

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standards inside the prisons of England and Wales.

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The BBC has new evidence of thousands of banned items

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Some delivered by drones, into prison cells. MPs say the situation

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is getting worse and needs immediate action.

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The banned items include drugs, weapons and mobile phones --

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Former inmates say it is a deadly mix.

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Drugs are rife in prison and drugs and violence go hand in hand.

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We'll have an exclusive report on safety in prisons -

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and we'll be asking what's being done to address the problem.

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Guilty of manslaughter - this man killed an elderly motorist -

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but his family say warnings about his mental health

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If the EU fails to tackle the migration crisis,

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there could be a popular uprising, a former head of MI6.

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It was a fake bomb like this left by security firm at Old Trafford which

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prompted the evacuation of Manchester United's round yesterday.

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The confrontation between minors and police at Orgreave, 32 years on new

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links between the police investigation and the Hillsborough

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disaster. And a case of painting the town blue

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as Leicester welcomes the Premier League champions

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in great style. Euro 2016 draws closer,

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and Marcus Rashford is in the 26. The 18-year-old Manchester United

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striker is named in Roy Hodgson's Concerns about safety standards in

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prisons in England and Wales have intensified. The number of land

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items being thrown to inmates of a prison walls or sent over by drone

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has more than doubled in the last two years. BBC News has found more

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than 2000 packages detected last year. We reveal the lengths that

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inmates go to to obtain mobile phones, and weapons.

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In the first of a series of exclusive reports --

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on the state of Britain's prisons -- here's our special correspondent

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The prisoners can't get out, but there's little to stop drugs,

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Wandsworth Prison last month, and a drone hovers.

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Beneath it, a package dangles in mid-air, packed with spice,

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a synthetic drug causing havoc in jails, and mobile phones.

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It's delivery by drone and it is room, or actually, cell service.

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A prisoner guides the haul into his cell, and after a few

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attempts, the drone lands its banned goods.

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But caught on CCTV, this was a wasted effort,

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Outside Pentonville prison, a more low-tech attempt.

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A man attaches a bundle to a rope and from inside the jail,

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the banned package is hauled in, lifted up the wall

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It is a problem jails across the country are

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A snag, as it's caught on a branch, but then it's lifted over.

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An arm from inside the prison then yanks it in.

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Official figures show there have only been 15 incidents of banned

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items thrown over Pentonville's walls in the last year.

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But locals say they must have missed a zero off.

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They say they've seen it happen many more times.

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This, another drone that crash-landed in Wandsworth prison

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grounds as it tried to smuggle in banned items.

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Some drugs and phones are seized, sometimes packed into drink cartons.

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The BBC has found the number of banned items thrown into prisons

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in England and Wales has doubled in the last two years -

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2,000 packages, many more not detected.

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Sam, whose voice has been disguised, served five years

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It can literally get thrown over the wall.

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It is quite a military operation, like literally,

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And they're going to the correct people.

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Wandsworth has seen just this method, managing

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Spice in the packets here is the legal high that

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And with spice on the increase, so, too, is the violence.

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The BBC has also learned that more than 1,000 weapons were found

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in prisons in England and Wales in just six months last year.

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Nearly three quarters, knives and blades.

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Jonathan Burke was released last year after serving time for robbery.

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And drugs and violence go hand-in-hand.

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I see it change, especially since spice come into prison.

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It was sort of regular violence and then the spice came in,

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and about three months later, it was just ridiculous.

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Literally 70%, 80% of the wing is smoking it.

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I've personally known people that have made thousands,

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They are richer when they come out of prison than they

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Seized in Wandsworth jail - the BBC has also discovered

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an increase in people charged with smuggling drugs

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Oliver was released from jail last year.

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Staff is the most consistent way of getting drugs into prison

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on a regular basis, and that way, you can regularly

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I've seen the handing over of drugs and mobile phones

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personally in prisons, on a pretty regular basis.

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Those working in prison say this is a minority of staff,

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but they accept smuggling and weapons are a growing problem.

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The defence which prisoners are presenting is that they were tooling

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And this becomes what was described to me as almost an arms

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The combination of drugs, drones, knives and fewer staff make

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a dangerous mix for prisoners and officers.

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Lucy is with me now. We heard in that report that it is a growing

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problem, what measures are being taken to deal with it? I think

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people, especially politicians will be astonished by some of those

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pictures of the drones going straight to prison cells. The

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problem that there is that the people we speak to inside, and some

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on the outside, say that the trade in phones and drugs in prisons is so

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lucrative, they can afford to lose turns all packages, and in fact the

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drone in that bees use or actually flew into the prison cell, prisoners

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broke it into pieces and flushed it down the toilet to try to avoid

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detection. But the Ministry of Justice say they have taken a zero

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tolerance approach and they are committed to cracking down on drugs

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and weapons in prison, they take this very seriously. Yet they admit

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that on the banned items in prison that there is more to do. Wednesday,

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we have the Queen's Speech and there will be measures on prison reform,

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be headed by Michael Gove. But today that was a committee of MPs who

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warned him that the increasing levels of violence, suicide and self

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harm in prison threatened to undermine those reforms. We will

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have more all week on prisons and tomorrow we will hear startling

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words from the Chief Inspector of prisons about what he has seen. Lucy

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Manning, thank you. A man who killed an elderly

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motorist after a road accident in West Sussex

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has been found guilty of manslaughter on the

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grounds of diminished responsibility,

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but cleared of murder. The court heard that Matthew Daley

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had been treated for psychosis and that his family had pleaded

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for him to be sectioned. Sussex Partnership NHS

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Foundation Trust has admitted its care "should

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have been better". Our correspondent Robert

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Hall has the details. In a police interview

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room, Matthew Daley, calmly describing a horrific attack

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on a country road in July last year. His victim was 79-year-old Donald

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Lock, a retired solicitor who had just been given the all-clear

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after cancer treatment. On that July evening Donald Lock

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was travelling In front of him, Matthew Daley

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pulled out of a side road. Witnesses said that

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after a few yards, Daley braked suddenly

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for no apparent reason. Mr Lock, who was travelling at less

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than 20 miles an hour, also braked, but he hit

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the back of Daley's car. Matthew Daley stabbed Mr Locke 39

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times and then turned and drove off, leaving his

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victim lying in the roadway. When armed police officers arrested

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Daley in Worthing two days later, the knife

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was still in his bag. During his trial, Donald Lock's

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family have heard detailed argument about Daley's mental state

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at the time of the attack. His parents told the

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court that they had repeatedly asked the NHS Trust

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to act as his behaviour grew more Sussex partnership NHS Trust have

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apologised and there will now be an independent review of ten

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other deaths involving their We didn't give Matthew

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the right care. What I can say is that

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that would have had an impact

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on the outcome. Outside court today Donald Lock's

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family also condemned the It is clear that dad

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would still be here today Nothing we say or do now would bring

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dad back to us but we will continue the spirit that dad

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carried with him. Tonight one mental health charity

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said that all too often Our own analysis of independent

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inquiries into 100 homicides committed by a person

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with a mental illness or disorder revealed that

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in 55% of the cases one

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of the key factors leading to the tragedy

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was a failure to listen to

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the families and carers. Matthew Daley will be

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sentenced in July. Robert Hall, BBC News,

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East Sussex. The former head of MI6,

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Sir Richard Dearlove, has warned that unless

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the European Union can take control of the migration crisis,

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it will face a popular uprising. He also criticised plans to relax

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visa restrictions for Turks as part of a deal to cut migrant

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numbers - saying it was like Sir Richard was speaking at a BBC

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conference on migration along with the Hollywood

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actress and UN envoy Our security correspondent

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Gordon Corera reports. Thousands of migrants wait in a camp

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in northern Greece hoping to travel deeper into Europe, and today

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a stark warning from a former intelligence chief about the risks

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of the EU failing to tackle the Speaking at the BBC's

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World On The Move conference, a former head of MI6 said

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there was a danger that extremist If Europe cannot act together

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to persuade a majority of its citizens that it can gain

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control of its migratory crisis, then the EU will find

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itself at the mercy of a populist uprising

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which Sir Richard raised

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particular concerns over the deal between the European

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Union and Turkey. Turkey has agreed to stem the flow

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of migrants arriving in Europe in return for a deal

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which could lead to Turkish citizens gaining visa-free access

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to parts of Europe, That, he argued, was

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a short-term solution For the EU, however,

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to offer visa-free access to 75 million Turks to stem the flow

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of migrants across the Aegean seems Like storing gasoline next

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to the fire we are trying to Richard Dearlove spent nearly 40

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years working inside MI6. He said today that

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part of the job was making informed predictions

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about where the world was heading, but he also warned there would be no

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James Bond-style miraculous solutions

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to the problems posed by migration. Dangers of a political backlash were

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also emphasised by Angelina Jolie Pitt, the UN Refugee Agency

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special enjoy envoy, Fear of uncontrolled

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migration has eroded public confidence and the ability

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of governments and international institutions to control

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the situation. It has given space to a false air

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of legitimacy to those who promote politics of

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fear and separation. More than a million people entered

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Europe last year. Today, two different voices both

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warned of the potential consequences if institutions failed to find

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solutions to the resulting crisis. The Chancellor, George Osborne,

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flanked by his former Labour opponent Ed Balls and by his

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former cabinet colleague the Lib Dem Sir Vince Cable,has

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warned it would be a 'huge mistake' for Britain

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to leave the European Union. Mr Osborne claimed a vote to Leave

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would mean a loss of trade worth ?200 billion by

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the end of the decade. He spoke on the day that 300

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business leaders backed the case for Leaving,

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as our political editor Please welcome George Osborne,

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Ed Balls and Vince Cable. Travel companions,

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for the day at least. The Remain campaign

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produced its own plane, with three captains,

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all claiming the There's a reason that the three

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of us are standing here today, putting aside our very

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obvious differences. The economic argument

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is beyond doubt. Leaving the EU is a one-way ticket

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to a poorer Britain. That argument ain't over,

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just cos these three say so. Mr Cable, you called

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George Osborne very cynical. Chancellor, the Tories

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called Mr Balls the most Who asked who to come today and how

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did those phone calls go? There are certain moments

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in a country's history where judgments and decisions

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are so important that they transcend We have common agreement on this

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issue, that the case for remaining But the warnings aren't all one way,

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and they only work if voters As campaign stunts go,

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this is a real show of brute force. It is not just about safety

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in numbers, but a political attempt to close down

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the referendum's main argument. But the air has not all gone

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out of the other side. Campaigns are fought

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on the street, too. We have got to have

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straight bananas. Out campaigners in Witham in Essex

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were doing a brisk lunchtime trade. First time in in my life I've ever

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done anything like this. I'm 79, never been involved

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in anything but I feel so strongly, not about money,

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but about my country. I don't believe a word that

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Cameron is threatening us I think when it comes

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to the grassroots level, You don't want to

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leave the EU, do you? Babies, balloons and chief

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Outer Boris Johnson on tour When you look at the EU now,

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it makes me think of some badly-designed undergarment

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that has now become too tight in some places,

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far too tight, far too constricting, and dangerously

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loose in other places. Anyway, knickers to

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the pessimists, how about that? This is about spirit and sentiment

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as well as the numbers, and nothing in the end is settled

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until you have your say. All aboard for Britain remaining

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in the European Union. The head of the security firm

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which accidentally left a fake bomb at Old Trafford has taken full

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responsibility for the mistake which prompted the evacuation

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of Manchester United's ground yesterday, minutes before

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the match against Bournemouth Chris Reid said it was a genuine

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error and apologised The match has been abandoned

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today on police advice. It was the blunder that left

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Manchester United red-faced - Old Trafford being evacuated

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yesterday after a fake bomb was left behind from a training exercise last

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Wednesday but only found The first time a Premier League

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match has been abandoned due This was a fiasco,

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but not an amusing one. Clearly in the end, a massive

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inconvenience to tens I think Manchester United need

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to apologise very, very seriously But in a statement, United's

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executive vice chairman insisted they weren't to blame,

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saying: as to why four days passed before

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United staff found the device. But this evening the head

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of the security company involved apologised

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for his role in the error. I made a mistake,

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a devastating mistake. An item that was placed in the male

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WC was not recovered. As I had a similar item in my bag

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that I had not used. I saw this and made the mistake

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of thinking the item in the WC had been brought back when found

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by the attendees, as had other items United say all ticket holders

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will be refunded and can watch tomorrow's rematch for free,

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but that doesn't cover all of the cost that some

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travelling fans have suffered. It's his birthday next week

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so I bought him a ticket for us. It has always been

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a dream to come here. Will you be able to come tomorrow

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night to the game? Tomorrow night, thousands of fans

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will return here for the rearranged final fixture of the Premier League

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season, but even though this was an embarrassing mistake rather

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than anything more sinister, it does serve as a timely reminder

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of football's sense of vulnerability ahead of a tournament where security

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will be a greater concern than ever. In the wake of last year's terror

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attack at the Stade de France in Paris, security has been

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tightened at major sporting venues. But with the European Championships

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in France less than a month away, yesterday will only have heightened

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anxiety, even though The people of Leicester have crowded

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the streets this evening to greet the players

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of Leicester City and to celebrate their notable feat

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in winning the Premier League. They've enjoyed an open-top bus

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parade and our correspondent This is the home of Leicester City

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football club, today's celebrations had taken in the whole of the

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community. Almost a quarter of a million people lined the streets to

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support a team who have gone from being 5000-1 outsiders to becoming

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champions. Thousands of people lined Leicester's streets, turning the

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city centre into a sea of blue. The atmosphere unlike anything else in

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the club's 132 year history. They played with heart and soul and

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people understood this. The achievement, what we have done, and

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it will bring extra revenue next year so it is unbelievable. We are

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just enjoying it at the front with the trophy. This is the moment they

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have all been waiting for, some of these people have been standing here

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for hours to catch a glimpse of their heroes. It means everything.

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Once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We have waited 132 years for it so the

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whole town has come out. It is probably the only time we will ever

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see anything like it. I'm not really into football but because of the

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atmosphere and we love Leicester. We have all come out, it is brilliant.

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And the city is capitalising on the team's success. No business

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opportunity being missed. This family firm has been making saris

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for almost half a century. Blue has never been so popular here. When

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brides and grooms come in and ask for a royal blue or a navy blue,

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they ask for Leicester City blue and it is wonderful. It's exciting to be

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in Leicester at this present time. Even King Richard III was eclipsed

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today according to the city's mayor. When we buried the king here we have

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had the eyes of the world on us. This is bigger by far than that and

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it is bringing business here and of course investment to our economy we

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never dreamt of. The Premier League champions and your manager, Claudio

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Ranieri! This was a fairy tale ending to a story few could have

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imagined at the start of the season. The dream that became a reality, and

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a night that the city will certainly remember.

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For the first time, the BBC can reveal the names of two

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senior police officers and a solicitor who worked

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for South Yorkshire Police and who were involved in shaping

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the force's response to the Hillsborough disaster

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and to the confrontation with miners at Orgreave during the

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Deputy Chief Constable Peter Hayes and Assistant Chief Constable Walter

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Jackson were involved in both cases as was Peter Metcalf.

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The Home Secretary has already said she's considering calls for a public

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inquiry into the Orgreave confrontation and how

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police dealt with evidence, as Dan Johnson explains.

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It was a violent showdown between striking miners and police officers.

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Both suffered injuries. 95 miners arrested, many charged with riot. In

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court cases collapsed after it emerged parts of statements had been

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dictated by detectives. Five years later across Sheffield, the

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Hillsborough disaster, a very different event at the same police

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force was in charge. Now we know some of the same officers and the

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same solicitor for were involved in the aftermath. These were the men

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that linked the event. Peter Metcalf suggested amendments after

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Hillsborough, but a year earlier he was defending police against claims

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of unlawful arrest brought by some of the Orgreave miners. Some police

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statements didn't match video evidence. He made a note saying he

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had been told there was opposition at police HQ to anything that might

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undermine the case. They were not my words, but the implication of those

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words was to put in jeopardy the person I had arrested for

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obstructing police from his duty to an offence of riot that carried a

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lifetime imprisonment. Peter Hayes ordered a review of the evidence

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gathering at Orgreave, who was later involved in coordinating the case

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after the Hillsborough disaster, agreeing the way statements would be

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taken. Walter Jackson was the senior officer on call when Hillsborough

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happened, he was criticised for failing to take command. Four years

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earlier he had led the internal review into the lease macro

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evidence. Lawyers for Walter Jackson and Peter Hayes said they deny any

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wrongdoing and cannot comment further. Peter Metcalf said he had

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nothing to say about Orgreave. Last year he told the Hillsborough

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inquest he had acted in the interests of the truth and denied

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any attempt to avert the course of justice. This used to be the

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headquarters of South Yorkshire Police. The Hillsborough coroner was

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asked to let the jury hear evidence about the way former officers here

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responded to the issues around Orgreave but the coroner refused,

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saying that evidence was not sufficiently relevant to how the 96

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Liverpool fans denied. However the links between these events are now

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becoming clearer. We won't have the full truth about Hillsborough until

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we also have the full truth about Orgreave. There are very strong

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links between them. Home Secretary Theresa May was -- must decide

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whether what happened here should be investigated.

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Universities in England will be able to increase their tuition fees

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above ?9,000 from Autumn 2017, subject to certain conditions

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including the quality of teaching and students' job prospects.

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The plans were included in a Government White Paper.

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But Labour has warned of inadequate controls

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and the gamble of rapidly expanding new universities.

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Our education editor Branwen Jeffreys reports from Manchester.

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This generation has borrowed ?9,000 a year.

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When fees go up at Manchester Metropolitan, will they focus more

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Once you get into your final year, especially in your final term,

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students are automatically thinking about the next steps,

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Would I go back and do it again?

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Would I go back and do it again if it was even more money?

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That's a question that, if you ask people,

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The difference in fees will gradually get bigger

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between universities, with only the best on teaching

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What happens if you are from a low-income background

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and you can't afford to go to a university which has better

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teaching because they charge a stupid amount of money?

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So, is it a huge gamble, as Labour argues?

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I asked the minister, how can they guarantee quality?

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That's why we're putting in place incentives for universities to focus

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on the quality of teaching in the system so students get

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the kind of teaching experience which they have a right to expect,

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their parents want for them, and which employers need.

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Those in charge of universities know they face more competition.

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I think it will focus the minds of universities on delivering things

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they are really genuinely very good at, and able to deliver

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I think the result is some course closures and some universities

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In the future there will be many more ways to study for a degree,

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many more places that will be able to give you a degree,

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but the real test for students will be whether these measures

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really deliver on value for money for their tuition fees.

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Nice straight back, grab the handle...

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They are studying for a degree, but at the Manchester College.

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Some further education colleges may do more of this in future,

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but in these students, the ones ministers want to encourage,

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still some doubt about the price of a degree.

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It can stop a lot of people, and the fact that people have got

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degrees but don't always get a job in the industry they want.

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I know a lot of people myself who work in call centres,

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after three or four years of university studying.

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It's their future and they will pay, however well these changes work.

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Branwen Jeffreys, BBC News, Manchester.

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With just over five weeks to go to the referendum on Britain's

:29:33.:29:34.

future in the European Union, we'll be hearing from a range of voters

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about the factors that will determine how they vote

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And we'll start tonight with Jon Rudoni from the village

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I've been flying balloons for a living for 25 years.

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There is something quite romantic and attractive

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about the United Kingdom pulling up the drawbridge

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and rowing our own boat for a change and regaining some sovereignty.

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My business head certainly says that we need to stay in Europe

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and we need to keep our economy steadily growing and we need to keep

:30:17.:30:19.

There is a small part of me that thinks it would be exciting,

:30:20.:30:27.

maybe slightly mischievous, and it might even unite the country

:30:28.:30:32.

if we suddenly felt that our little island was once again

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My children are strongly pro-Europe and they are excited

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about the future and what their lives may hold.

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Having those open doors across the whole European

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market, I think, gives them more opportunity.

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My parents are fairly strongly against Europe.

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What is lacking is concrete empirical evidence that we can

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There does not seem to be a clear answer.

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I think there would be quite a lot of damage done

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It would send out a message that we were a divided nation.

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That was Jon Rudoni who's not yet decided whether he'll vote

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to stay in or leave the EU with his thoughts.

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Tonight we have one of our EU debate. We have a crowded studio to

:31:35.:31:43.

ask whether the Brussels machine works for us, the way it spends

:31:44.:31:49.

money, the mechanics of its decision-making. Join me

:31:50.:31:51.

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