09/06/2016 BBC News at Ten

Immigration, the economy and the NHS dominate

a heated clash among politicians, on both sides of the

They vigorously made their case on live television, with just two

On the streets of London, because of European judges, there are

terrorists and murderers and very serious criminals that we cannot

deport, because the European Court is taking control over that kind of

question and I think we should take that control back.

But Scotland's First Minister suggested Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson is not interested in your job or your

position, he is only interested in David Cameron's job.

And two former Prime Ministers, John Major and Tony Blair,

have voiced their concerns about the effect of a vote to leave

the EU, saying it could lead to the break up of the UK.

We'll assess where today has left the referendum debate.

There will be no prosecution of any MI6 officers,

after the detention and alleged torture in 2004, of an opponent

of the former Libyan leader Colonel Gadaffi.

A fresh inquiry, has found there WAS collusion between police

officers in Northern Ireland, and loyalist paramilitaries,

in the murder of six Catholics in 1994.

"I'm with her", says President Obama, as he endorses

Hillary Clinton to succeed him at the White House.

And what are the life chances for children born

A new report says opportunities are improving.

And coming up in Sportsday on BBC News: Jonny Bairstow's century leads

England's recovery on day one of the final Test against

Immigration, the economy, jobs and the health service,

featured heavily tonight, as politicians clashed in a TV

For Vote Leave, Boris Johnson said Britain should take back control

of immigration and could "prosper as never

But Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon,

who's campaigning in favour of the UK remaining in the EU,

said countries had to work together and accused Boris Johnson

of being more interested in David Cameron's job.

Our Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg was watching the debat.

-- debate. The red team. Their biggest name

bringing up the rear. Ready for the ordeal.

The other team, arriving one by one but with a single position to defend

and the audience, all dressed up with a debate to go.

Six of the main campaigners from both sides of the EU referendum

debate will go head-to-head. Immigration, the obvious first

subjected... Which decision, Leave or Remain, allows us to put in place

the appropriate controls to ensure that we have immigration that only

improves and adds to our country? I'm massively pro immigration, I'm

the descendent of Turks and proud of it, too, but there has to be

democratic concept of the scale of the flows we are seeing Australia is

a massive country with a small population. They choose because they

have a controlled system. If we have a controlled system, we can choose.

Within minutes, Boris Johnson, the obvious political target for the

other side. I want to do what Boris once said he would do, make the case

for immigration and the contribution it makes. This is a complex problem.

There isn't a silver Bullet. I know that's what Boris and his team would

like to have. But we need to look at the numbers. I fear the only number

bore sis interested in, is the one that says Number Ten. Then a vicious

spat over the disputed claim by vote Leave that EU membership costs ?3

#r50 million a week. It doesn't cost ?350 million to be a member of the

EU and you know that's not true and you have emblazoned it across your

bus. It is a bit rich, to hear the man who used to say we should be

charged for using the NHS, pretend he is now the deferned of the NHS.

I'm staggered that Boris Johnson is standing here tonight still

defending this ?350 million a week figure. It is a scandal that's still

emblazoned across the campaign bus, it is an absolute whopper. Boris

Johnson, again, drawing the most fire from the other side.

Get that lie off your bus. What we are going to do is repaint that bus.

A leprechaun on one end a rainbow on one side and a pot of gold at the

end. It is true and verifiable there is slightly more than ?350 million a

week we do not control. Huge sums of it go to Brussels and never come

back. Then to the nub of it all - would we be richer or poorer? What

would the economy look like f we left? If the country votes, in 14

days, and we have no idea, whatsoever, from the Leave campaign,

what would be happening if... No idea from the Remain campaign No

idea what would be happening with our trade. You cannot tell us

whether you would do a deal or wouldn't. You have said you would

come out of the single market but haven't said what you would replace

it with. Can we stop this as Nicola Sturegon rightly said, a miserable

negative fear-based campaign. People will see through it.

This is not about any of us here on the panel. This is not about the

current Government. This is a once in a generation choice as to who you

think should have control over the majority of the money which we

spend. Boris, you don't seem to care about the millions of jobs that will

be at risk if we leave the EU. I think you only care about one job, a

and that's your next one. I don't think that you care...

APPLAUSE Again and again, outers brought it

on to immigration. On the seats of our city, on the streets of London,

because of European judges there are terrorists and murders and very

serious criminals we cannot deport because the European Court is taking

control over that kind of question, and I think we should take that

control back. Thank you. Again and again, the intrio took the

fight to Mr Johnson. Boris Johnson is not interested in your job or

your position, he is only interested in David Cameron's job. Thank you.

Labour has still to produce a woman leader of the party - although maybe

Angela Eagle will sort that out at some stage. Boris, beware of the

blonde bomb shell. There wasn't quite a six-person shouting match

but... How account public really trust what any of you are saying?

Think about whether it is actually going to make us stronger, safer and

better-off by being in it. I ask you to think more about what we have

gained. The longest, uninterrupted period of peace in modern history.

The world's biggest single market of ?500 million people, to sell our

goods and services into. There is a contrast between this side of the

argument that's offering hope, and that side of the argument that is

offering nothing but fear about life outside. They say that we can't do

it on our own, they say that we can't leave the EU. We say that we

can. This referendum is not a debating society event. Tonight's

clashes part of a brutal campaign that could change our country for

good. Laura Kuenssberg is outside

the London studios where It was heated and frank at times,

Laura, what impact do you think tonight may have on the referendum

debate? Well, Clive, as is inevitable at these kind of events

within the last couple of minute, both sides in this big argument have

claimed victory N truth, I don't think there was a slam dunk or a

hands-down show for either of the two trios, the clashes were mainly

on immigration and the economy, as you would expect. What I do think

was notable was two things -- just how bad-tempered it was, really

throughout the two hours. Actually on every subject and almost between

every politician. Also notable was what seemed to be an entirely

deliberate strategy from the Remain side, to go after Boris Johnson,

again and again. And essentially accuse him of putting his ambition

before anything to do with this referendum. Accusing him time and

again, even his own Tory Cabinet colleague, amber Rudd saying he is

only in the fight because he is after David Cameron's job. I think

the performances by individual politicians, when there are six of

them, inevitably, was probably pretty patchy. I think overall this

hasn't necessarily shifted the momentum of this campaign, but this

was a big, important revent. The fist chance for many viewers to have

a good look and a good listen to some of the arguments. Undoubtedly,

some people will have been influenced by what they have seen

and heard, but in terms of changing the dynamics of this campaign, I'm

not sure much has changed. Thank you for that, Laura.

And two former Prime Ministers, John Major and Tony Blair,

have set aside their political differences to issue a stark

warning about what they believe would happen, if Britain

They said the UK could be torn apart, speaking in Londonderry.

But there was swift reaction from Northern Ireland's First

Minister Arlene Foster, who wants the UK to leave the EU.

She called the intervention "disgraceful".

Our Deputy Political Editor John Pienaar reports.

Two retirees on a morning stroll except John Major and Tony Blair

were in Northern Ireland on business, walking the famous

They'd agreed an identical warning - the European Union and the gains

of a peace they both brokered could be lost, and the UK

If they'd been ageing rock stars, they'd have called

The school-age audience was too young to vote, too

The unity of the United Kingdom, itself, is on the ballot

Don't let them take risks with Northern Ireland's future.

Don't let them undermine our United Kingdom.

Was he saying peace itself was at risk?

No-one is saying the peace process is going to break apart the day

after if you vote to leave but one of the elements fundamental

to that peace process, which is Republic of Ireland,

UK, both in the European Union, no border between North and South,

A familiar scene at the height of the Troubles,

but it's been peaceful for years and Northern Ireland's leavers hit

In my experience, the commitment of people in Northern Ireland

to the political settlement, and to exclusively peaceful

and democratic means to determine Northern Ireland's future,

I think that commitment is rock solid.

To say that it would somehow waver or become less resolute

if there was a democratic vote to leave the EU, I think is not

only unjustified but, actually pretty irresponsible.

I do find it rather disgraceful, for two Prime Ministers,

who know full well the importance of the peace process

here in Northern Ireland, to come over here and suggest that

a vote in a particular direction is going to undermine that,

That wasn't all, though, Sir John Major was saying Scots

might want out of the UK, if the UK wanted out of the EU.

Hadn't Downing Street said one referendum was enough?

If the country demanded that, it would be politically impossible

You can't keep people in a country by force.

If demand was sufficient, one would have to

Today's young audience, like so many others, were split.

I don't feel like any of the problems that they presented

in there couldn't be dealt with by our community

I just think they were trying to scare us.

They made some really, really fair points about staying in the EU.

I think I would, if I could vote, to stay in the EU.

Here, as across the UK, it is about the economy, borders,

migration and the high stakes in play and the fact

it is impossible to call the outcome has made it brutal.

The wounds being inflicted back and forth may be impossible to heal

Just now the voters in Northern Ireland

and across the United Kingdom have a more immediate problem,

deciding their and their country's future for decades to come.

So, two former Prime Ministers were here today, back

in the front line of politics, to defend their legacy and try,

once more, to persuade voters to share their vision of the country

No one from MI6 will face prosecution, after the alleged

detention and torture in 2004, of an opponent of the former Libyan

Abdel Hakim Belhadj is one of two men, who claim the British

intelligence service played a significant part in his rendition,

Our Security Correspondent Gordon Corera has more.

The man who says he was sent by Britain to Libya to be tortured.

With his wife, speaking for the first time on TV,

They are angry at today's decision that no-one will face

TRANSLATION: I'm very disappointed that individuals responsible

If there is political interference with the courts,

Abdel Hakim Belhadj is an Islamist who fought to overthrow

When Tony Blair embraced Colonel Gaddafi in 2004,

as relations were warming up, British spies were helping

the Libyan leader get hold of his opponents.

It was only when Gaddafi was overthrown in 2011 that details

first publicly emerged, suggesting MI6 had worked

with the CIA to send Belhadj and another man to Libya.

Documents were found in Gaddafi's ram sacked intelligence

Belhadj is referred to as a terrorist in letters

allegedly written by Sir Mark Allen, then MI6's head

One document reminds the Libyans that the intelligence

behind his capture by the CIA was British.

Though it says the Americans paid for what's called the "air cargo".

That air cargo included Belhadj's wife, six months' pregnant

at the time and strapped on to a stretcher for the journey.

My hands and legs were tied and my eyes were covered.

I was so scared that I was going to die.

She was released after four months but her husband was held

for six years and says he was tortured by the Libyans.

The emergence of the documents led to a police investigation into MI6

which produced 28,000 pages of evidence.

But, today the Crown Prosecution Service said witnesses could not

recall sufficient detail, and it thought the evidence

was not strong enough to secure a prosecution.

We don't understand how the CPS can say, on the one hand,

British officials were definitely involved in rendition,

and on the other hand, nobody is going to stand

The real question for all of us is - is MI6 subject to the law

There will be relief inside MI6 that no former officers face prosecution.

Those who have worked inside acknowledge that

mistakes were made, though, in the early years of the war

on terror but critics will say that today's decision will mean no-one

President Obama has formally endorsed Hillary Clinton as his

successor for the White House, saying he was fired up and couldn't

She became the Democratic party's presumptive nominee this week,

though her rival, Bernie Sanders, is continuing his campaign.

In a video message, President Obama praised Senator Sanders,

but confirmed support for his former Secretary of State.

I know how hard this job can be, that's why I know Hillary

In fact, I don't think there's ever been so qualified

Jon Sopel is at the White House. Jon, this is clearly a moment to

savour? Yes, savouring the timing and the tonne. It builds on the

momentum she achieved on Tuesday night with the victory party and the

tone as Barack Obama could not have been more full-throated in his

support for her, talking about her courage, compassion, and heart to

succeed. And as you say, saying he was raring to go, to start

campaigning with her, which he does in Wisconsin. Hillary Clinton has

said: We have gone from being fierce competitors to true friends. It begs

the question, what about the fierce competitor from this race, Bernie

Sanders? He was here at the White House earlier on, he stopped short

of endorsing her but gave signs he may well do in the coming days. That

will do a great deal for the democratic party unity.

The Northern Ireland Police ombudsman, has found there

WAS collusion between the officers and loyalist paramilitaries,

in the murder of six Catholic men at a pub in County Down in 1994.

A previous official inquiry into the Loughin-island killings,

found there was insufficient evidence of collusion,

A previous official inquiry into the Loughinisland killings,

found there was insufficient evidence of collusion,

but it was quashed following a legal challenge by the victims' families.

Our Ireland Correspondent, Chris Buckler reports.

The name of this quiet rural village will forever be linked

to a notorious attack, murders that have become

In June 1994, people had gathered at the Heights Bar in Loughinisland

COMMENTATOR: The Irish have taken over the Giants Stadium in New York.

The Republic of Ireland were playing Italy in the World Cup.

COMMENTATOR: Everywhere you look, you see orange, white and green.

And people were focused on the game, when gunmen entered the bar

Six men who came here to be with friends died together.

And ever since, claims that members of the security forces colluded

And today, the relatives of those murdered in Loughinisland had that

They colluded in the murder of my father.

Nobody cared that he was dying on the bar floor.

REPORTER: Because the truth has come out?

Because the truth is out and they can't hide.

Five years ago, another ombudsman report into the killings

However, its findings were dismissed by the families of some of those

who died as a whitewash and they were eventually

In this new report, the ombudsman concludes that police

informants were involved in importing the guns used,

that the killers were suspects in previous murders and could have

been brought to justice before the Loughinisland attack.

And it says the much of the investigation

was characterised by incompetence, indifference and neglect.

The ombudsman has stated that collusion was a feature of these

murders in that there were wilful and passive acts carried out

The police have apologised to the families of the six killed

here in Loughinisland as well a the five people who

All of them know that the passing of time has made it unlikely that

anyone will be held accountable for the mass murder committed

Chris Buckler, BBC News, Loughinisland.

A major report into mistakes made in maternity units across the UK,

An inquiry by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists

discovered that more than 900 incidents, which lead to deaths

or severe brain injuries, were reported last year.

A quarter of the hospital investigations carried out following

and in nearly three quarters of cases, parents had no meaningful

Natalie is already enchanted by Toby.

It's been a lovely experience, the team have all been nice.

Everybody from theatre to midwifery, so I can't argue.

Can't argue with the treatment I have had at all.

Here at the Broomfield Hospital in Essex, the staff pride

themselves in ensuring that having a baby is a life-enhancing

A mistake in a Maternity Unit can be deadly.

This is Louis Buckley, his short life lasted

This is Lola, the sister he never met and Michelle,

the mother he never knew, happily pregnant once more.

She fought to understand just why her son died in 2011.

Though an internal investigation showed multiple care failings,

it took her local hospital four-and-a-half years to accept

You had lost your child, that's the hardest thing, but then

to have to fight for answers as to why they died,

through the four-and-a-half years, I relived his death every day.

As soon as they admitted they were responsible

for his death, it felt like my head cleared

and I could just think of my son, rather than all of the mistakes that

Too often, NHS maternity care is not good enough,

Still births are more likely here than in many European countries,

when mistakes do occur, the quality of investigations

I genuinely thought we would see more robust reviews

and internal scrutiny, external professional involvement,

I'm surprised at the lack of uniformity.

Michelle had to sue her local hospital to get them to accept

The NHS compounding needless agony, failing to understand grief.

There is just a sadness, always a sadness there that

Everything is tainted with his death.

And you have to life with that and learn to how to relive again.

A happy parent with a healthy baby, the NHS needs to work

much harder to ensure it happens more often.

The educational gap between rich and poor children

A report from the Social Mobility Commission,

which advises the government, says whether it's helping

with homework or reading bedtime stories, parents in poorer families

Our Home Editor Mark Easton has this exclusive report.

I would like some ice cream and some strawberries, please?

What chance do these children have of fulfilling

They live in one of Sheffield's most deprived

neighbourhoods, a city with some of the widest

Across the UK, children from the poorest fifth of households are

already a year behind the richest fifth by the age of five, but

What about you, what are you going to be when you grow up?

Is the gap between the prospects for rich and poor children getting

The social mobility commission has been looking

at a rather gloomy prognosis from America and wondering

Robert Putnam offered an alarming assessment of social

mobility in the United States warning the American dream is in

Kids who are coming from well off backgrounds are doing better and

They are more likely to take part in extra curricular activities,

So the social mobility commission applied the methods to Britain and

on key measures, the results were a surprise.

Parents helping their children with homework, among

graduate parents, the proportion has fallen in recent years, among

parents with low qualifications, it has risen, turning up at parents

evenings, a similar story, again the gap narrowed.

There is another measure of parental support.

The Gruffalo will be familiar to most

British parents and it has become shorthand for adults, reading with,

talking with, and playing with their children.

Back in the 70s children could expect 23 minutes a day of

Parenting support is no longer seen as something only for problem

In fact, schemes like families and schools togother run in

hundreds of schools by Save The Children

Spending time with Aaron and Sophia, we've just been

doing a bit of craft and

sometimes we don't always get the time to do it.

Which is out of my comfort zone at times!

Stronger parental support is

thought to lie behind big recent falls in truancy, underage drinking

and smoking, and crucially, a narrowing of the gap in the

Back to our main story tonight, and with the EU referendum

just two weeks away, some of you may still be

undecided which way to vote, and need more information.Well maybe

the BBC's Editors can help, and they've been answering

Mark Wallace asks about trade barriers.

Now if Britain were to leave the European Union and the single

market it is likely our goods exported to the EU would face some

form of trade barriers, that's a tax on goods.

That would have to be agreed by the other European

Britain, of course, could reciprocate, we could have trade

barriers against European Union imports into Britain.

Most economic models suggest if you have trade barriers,

For those economists who support Brexit, they say that actually freed

from what they describe as the shackles of the European Union,

we would be able to have free trade deals, no tariff deals with big,

important economies, like America, and China,

and that would be good for the British economy.

Ros from Brentwood wants to know what happens if hardly

Well there is no minimum threshold for turnout,

so however many people go to the polls, the result will stand.

Around here most people expect that the turnout is about the same

as a general election, 60% or so but the result is also

So how much enthusiasm both sides can muster to get their supporters

to the ballot box could make all the difference.

R Waddington asks: Why can't stop EU criminals coming into Britain

and will we be able to deport them once we leave the EU?

R Waddington asks: Why WE can't stop EU criminals coming into Britain

and will we be able to deport them once we leave the EU?

Well, free movement means we can't turn away anybody who has any kind

of criminal record from anywhere in the EU but free movement is not

If someone presents a serious threat to public security,

6,500 people have been deported under European Union arrest warrants

but the courts get involved, the European Court of Justice that

upholds European law and the European Court

Liz asks: What affect Brexit would have on the EU?

Well, it would be a huge blow to an EU already weakened

by the migrant crisis, the euro crisis and security fears

following the Brussels and the Paris attacks.

Some EU governments fear if the UK goes, they will come under pressure

from their voters who want to leave the EU too, so countries

like France, standing tough, saying of course, oppose Brexit UK

would be an interesting partner for trade but it should not expect

It does not want to make EU exit seem inviting.

In the end, a UK outside the EU probably would get a good trade deal

but no-one here wants to hand it to Britain on a plate.

Roy Bunyan wants to know: If we left the EU would we get rid

Even the Treasury admits that complying with EU regulations can

cost companies millions of pounds a year, so if we left

But not all of it is generated in Brussels, some of it is generated

Remember, one person's red tape, is another person's consumer

protection or employee safeguards, so some of it we might want to keep.

As for exporting to Europe, if you want want to have your

products and services to go there, you have to play by their rules, so

Our editors have been answering your questions all day,

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