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Work and pensions secretary Damian Green and shadow work and pensions secretary Debbie Abrahams join Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn to discuss A&E problems and Jeremy Corbyn.


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Morning folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Record numbers of patients facing long waits in A and dangerously

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high levels of bed occupancy - why is this winter proving worst

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It was supposed to be Jeremy Corbyn's big re-launch -

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so why did it end in confusion about the party's policy

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Will the Labour leader do any better at the despatch box today

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as he takes on Theresa May in the first Prime Minister's

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We'll bring you that live and uninterrupted at midday.

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Jared is a very successful real estate person, but I actually think

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he likes politics more than he likes real estate,

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I'm going to tell you, and he's very good at politics.

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And Donald Trump has been accused of nepotism over the appointment

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But is it sometimes better to keep it in the family?

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We'll ask Neil and Christine Hamilton.

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All that in the next 90 minutes of the finest public service

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broadcasting you'll have seen in 2017.

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And with us for the duration today - two MPs who obviously wanted

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to start the New Year with a work out for old grey matter

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in the interrogational boot camp that is the Daily Politics -

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Wrote that? I could barely say it! It was a struggle but we got through

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it! Work and Pensions Secretary,

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Damian Green and his Shadow, First this morning -

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the Royal College of Nursing has said that conditions in the NHS

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are the worst they have ever experienced, and in a letter

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to the Prime Minister 50 leading doctors have warned the prime

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minster that lives are being put Charities working with elderly

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people said long-term solutions were needed,

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with a similar call from a group of Conservative, Labour

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and Lib Dem MPs this morning. So how bad are things this winter

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in the NHS in England and what's Much of the focus has been

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on England's A departments, with hospitals struggling to meet

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the target that they treat or discharge 95% of patients

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within four hours. Since the start of December,

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hospitals have seen only 82.3% of patients within this time -

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the worst performance since a target Over the last decade,

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there's been a substantial increase in the number

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of patients turning up at A In 2015-16, five million more people

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passed through the doors Most of the increase

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in attendance has been at minor injuries departments,

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and this week Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt reiterated statistics

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that show a third of people attending A are only

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in need of advice. A shortage of GP appointments -

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and problems with the NHS 111 advice line - could be contributing

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to the increase in the number But more fundamentally the size

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of the UK population has grown - partly because of immigration,

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but also because people The number of people aged 90

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plus has almost tripled Research shows older people tend

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to have higher rates of A attendance and are also more likely

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to need a hospital bed. Patients waiting for admission tend

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to wait longer in A, especially Last month the NHS reported

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dangerously high levels of bed occupancy, with 94.7% of beds full -

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well above the "safe" Local councils and charities

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have said a lack of investment in social care means

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many older people are stuck in Official figures suggest this

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affects a third of patients. While the government has said that

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councils will be able to raise an extra 3% this year and 3% next

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year for spending on social care, council leaders called

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it a sticking plaster, and are demanding

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a longer-term solution. Thank you. Damian Green, the

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government says that the problem is caused by unprecedented demand, on

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NHS services. What causes that? Some of it is what you have been talking

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about, pressure is always high, there is a permanent pressure on the

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NHS, it is high in winter... But we know that when winter comes... And a

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rising population. What causes this unprecedented demand? The

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unprecedented demand is partly due to rising populations, as you have

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just said, and things the government is addressing, not just inside of

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the NHS where we spend more money, we have met demands for Simon

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Stephens plan... We will come back to that... But also there is the

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social care aspect. We will come to that... You say the demographics,

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people are living longer which creates a pressure, people tend to

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use more health care in their later years. You have failed to control

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migration, quite a lot of migrants come to the country and they do not

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have doctors and A in there... But even young people get old.

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Demographics and migration, both are entirely predictable, they don't

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come out of the blue, why didn't you plan for them? We did, specifically

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this year, you were right about winter, we could see it coming and

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we did. We spent ?400 million last autumn on a specific plan for this

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winter, and... Why isn't it working? It is, in some ways. Interestingly,

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if you go below the surface of the figures, it is how patchy these

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problems are. Clearly there are problems there and there have been

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some bad events but, you find they are concentrated in a relatively

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small area. It is not a straightforward NHS problem but in

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19 specific areas. But some of this unprecedented demand is caused by

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things in the pipeline for years, we were entirely able to enter is about

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them. You say it is working but in one week this month already, three

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times the number of people have had to wait for more than 12 hours on a

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trolley than in the whole of January last year, three times the number!

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12 hours on a trolley! In one week... How is that working? We can

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swap statistics. As it happens... That is a human story, not a

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statistic. As you mentioned, Jo, bed occupancy figures were lower at

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Christmas this year than last year. Bed blocking is up 25% in two years.

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The OECD statistic there. It is three times bigger than other

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countries. Three times bigger than Denmark, twice as big as Norway. It

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is a real problem and is caused, I would suggest, because you, in your

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funding formula, slashed social care to councils? But actually, we are

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increasing social care funding... I'm sorry, Minister, that is just

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not true. You are increasing it after you cut it, you cut local

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government funding by 37% and the result is, social care funding has

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been cut by 25%. The figures are quite dramatic on this. The number

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of days people had to wait for a care home is up 224%, 260 care homes

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have closed! But, that is why we've introduced both the better care

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fund, which is straightforward national funding, and the allowance

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for local councils to increase this... I will come to you in a

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moment, but I think you appreciate what I'm doing here. Yes. That is

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try to hold the government to account, you are increasing some

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money now but after you have slashed it and the increases will in no way

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compensate for the slashing of this. The amount of people who cannot get

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back out of hospital, and into social care, it is just growing and

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growing. The Royal College of Physicians is paralysed by

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spiralling demand going on. You have shut daycare centres, for the

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elderly and disabled. 260 daycare centres have closed. An elderly

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woman died after 35 hours on a trolley. In Britain, in 2016. In the

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fifth richest country in the world. She died after 35 hours on a

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trolley. And your government has spent ?5 million on the Ethiopian

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Spice Girls. How does it work? We have stopped spending that now. I'm

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happy to defend the aid budget... 35 hours on a trolley... Absolutely

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that is unacceptable, nobody thinks it is acceptable. But the point

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about the social care fund is that the raw parts of the country where

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there is not bed blocking -- there are parts. But there are always

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parts! But they are significant parts. The idea that there is a

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uniform national problem is simply not the case. I do not need to be

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remotely partisan on that. To pick two areas where there is not a

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problem with bed blocking and social care, one is Rutland, a pretty Tory

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area, the other is Barnsley which is as Labour as you can get.

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Local authorities are coping with their NHS trusts, and some are doing

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better than others. But the overall picture is... Let me bring in Labour

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here. There's clearly a major problem. Money does not grow on

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trees but it is clear that social care and the NHS need more money,

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where'd you get it from? It is about the choices you make. We heard the

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promised during the EU referendum about ?350 million a week being made

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available to the NHS. Of course, that was not the government promised

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that... We had not left the EU yet! The government has been a bit

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disingenuous in terms of the amount of investment that they have put

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into the NHS, ?4.6 billion instead of the ?10 billion that they

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actually... That is the health select committee? You are absolutely

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right about social care funding, 4.6 million cut since 2010. In my own

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area of Oldham, what used to be one quarter of the budget and social

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care is now three quarters and they will not go anywhere near addressing

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the problem. Let's put it to you. You have cut social care budgets

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because of the huge 37% cuts to local authorities which has resulted

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in a 25% cut in social care. And, you are actually in the process of

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increasing NHS spending, in real terms, by much less than ?10

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billion. It's not that, if you look at the 2014-15 figure, the NHS

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budget was about ?99 billion but by 2021 it will be about 120 billion,

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we will have gone up about ?10 billion in real terms. Those are the

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facts... What do you say to that? We are back to this situation of the

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1990s, well below the EU average in terms of percentages spend, and we

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have brought it up now. That is the title, not government spending. I

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understand that but the OECD figures are comparable. It is less. France

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and Germany are 11, Switzerland 11.5, Sweden is 11. That is private

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and... And we have a growing population... Few European countries

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are growing as fast as we are per capita, and we are on track to

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overtake Germany's population by 2025. The point that Jo makes is

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that by per capita spending on health, it is falling under your

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government. But what is important is the outcome, that's the point I'm

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making... But we are failing on that as well! No, we aren't. What you

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mentioned recently was our target. Look at Europe, does anyone else

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match it? You have essentially abandoned the four our target. We

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are at 80%. But hold on, Minister. One in four people wait for more

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than four hours in A That is for emergency care. It was not Jeremy

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Hunt but the director of acute services in the NHS who said that

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30% of people turn up at A who do not have an emergency. The point is,

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nobody else even aspires to get this target. But what is the point in

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getting a target that you cannot hit for one in four people? 80,000

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people waited 12 hours or more on a trolley. Last week. 485 people had

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to wait for more than 12 hours? That is not... Your target. If they are

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waiting for emergency care of course that is not good enough. But at 85%,

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we are in the high 80s. But the point is, you say that somehow we

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are worse than other comparable European countries, other comparable

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European countries do not aspire to do what the NHS does. They have much

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better health outcomes, cancer recovery rates are far higher,

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higher in almost every measure of output. Germany, France,

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Scandinavian countries, they are better than us and we are around

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Slovenia and the Czech Republic. We are addressing those specifics

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and the cancer bond is getting better, stroke services are getting

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better. We are addressing those issues which have been there for

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decades. Cuts in public and mental health... We are spending more money

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on mental health. We had better leave it there.

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So - it was supposed to be Jeremy Corbyn's big relaunch day.

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In the wake of the success of political insurgents

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like Donald Trump, could the Labour advisors sprinkle the same magic

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Well, yesterday they scheduled a major speech setting out

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the party's Brexit policy, alongside a series

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However, on the Today programme, Jeremy Corbyn got diverted

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into talking about pay, saying he would like to see

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a "high earnings cap", suggesting it could cover

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Later on, he had to clarify his plans, suggesting

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for companies bidding for government contracts.

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On the issue of Brexit, it had been briefed that Labour

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would no longer be "wedded to freedom of movement for EU citizens"

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but, in an interview with Laura Kuenssberg,

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Corbyn suggested he was still comfortable with the number

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We've asked you previously whether or not you think

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the levels are too high, and you've said that you don't think

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the levels are too high, and for many of your supporters

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that is a proud principle that you've always stuck to.

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No. My mind is quite clear, that we need to end the exploitation

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that is going on, we need to maintain market access

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within Europe and we need to ensure there are good relations

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Debbie Abrahams, where does Labour now stand on freedom of movement for

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EU citizens? Should it end or continue? What Jeremy was setting

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out was that we needed to recognise that they needed to be flexibility

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in our labour market. You didn't see the whole interview. But he doesn't

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clarify exactly. On that point, he was meant to say that Labour was not

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wicked -- wedded to the principle of the EU's freedom of movement rules,

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but he went on to say that they wouldn't rule it out. So should it

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end or carry on? What he was trying to say is that we need to value our

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migrants. They contribute ?20 billion to the economy. One in five

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care workers comes from Europe. 135 -- 130,000 doctors and nurses. They

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are an invaluable part of society and the economy and we need to

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recognise that. We can't cut off our noses to spite our faces. We need to

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recognise the contribution migrants make to the economy and not during

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the negotiations scupper any potential... So you are underlining

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what Jeremy Corbyn said, which is that he doesn't rule out keeping EU

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freedom of movement in exchange for full access to the single market. He

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wants to make sure these are part of the negotiations. That is important.

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The speech was supposed to answer some of the concerns of Labour

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voters about levels of immigration. Does the Labour Party pose

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uncontrolled migration to the UK? No, we don't. There are controls in

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terms of migration. And we need to make sure that we continue those. So

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you want the levels of immigration, you are happy, like Jeremy Corbyn

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said in that clip, that levels of immigration to the UK are not too

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high? We must make sure that any controls around immigration could

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potentially affect the economy. Nobody voted to potentially damage

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the economy. They wanted to make sure they will do better for

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themselves and their families, and we need to be careful about this.

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Can I say also, about the tone of the debate around this. There has

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been some deplorable language, which has really cast aspersions around

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migrants. Goodwillie has vilified migrants. -- it really has vilified.

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People want to know the policy of the Labour Party, and Jeremy Corbyn

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was supposed to make that clear yesterday, but I put to you that

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Labour MPs and voters are still confused. Does the Labour Party want

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levels of immigration to come down? Yes, we do. How much? We can't state

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that. Do you have an aspiration? 1.3 million workers employed from

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recruitment agencies. That figure isn't monitored by the government.

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But we know that in 2007 there are estimates that one in seven of those

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agency workers came from Europe. If you ended the worker exploitation,

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which Jeremy Corbyn talked about and you are alluding too, how many fewer

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people would you like to see coming to the UK? I think this is a red

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herring. You don't think that Labour voters would like to know that the

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Labour Party is committed, either by curbs or freedom of movement to EU

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citizens or by dealing with exploitation, that they would like

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to see a lower figure? Yes, we would. But Jeremy Corbyn says he is

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happy, and the levels are not too high. It isn't helpful to talk about

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ratios and numbers. That is for the reasons the Tory doesn't have found.

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I understand they missed their target but, it Jeremy Corbyn is

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saying he is happy the present levels and they are not too high,

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but you have said you would like to bring those levels down. Jeremy said

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that it is about making sure we stop recruitment solely from abroad. We

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don't have a number. The government doesn't keep a number of how many EU

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migrants come directly from these recruitment agencies. If 1.3

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million, potentially, 600,000 have come from Europe, that gives an

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estimate, but we don't know how reliable that figure is, so it would

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be responsible... But Jeremy Corbyn is happy with the current level. If

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we jeopardise the level of migration at the moment, we could potentially

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impact on the economy. We can't do that. The speech was breached at a

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change of policy and emphasis Labour, a change of direction for

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Jeremy Corbyn, and in the end he stuck to the principles he has

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always held there, which may be fine, but it wasn't what we were

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told was going to happen. We've got to move on because we are short of

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time. We can come back to it. A call for a cap on maximum salaries. Was

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that something you discussed with him in Shadow Cabinet? We had Shadow

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Cabinet yesterday morning and we certainly discussed it. You

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discussed this idea of a cap for maximum salaries? We discussed the

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idea of inequality around salary. Barry Gardiner said he had discussed

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it at Shadow Cabinet with Jeremy Corbyn, so was there a specific

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discussion? I can't be sure if Barry was there or not but we certainly

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did discuss it. If you look at the context of the interview, it was

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about the inequalities. We know that 7.4 working people, 7.4 million

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working people are living in poverty, three out of four children,

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4 million children are from working families. It isn't right that a

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chief executive from a top company is earning 130 times the average

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worker. Wright so you would like to see a maximum cap for CEOs of

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private companies and footballers and bankers, as Jeremy Corbyn

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suggested? It isn't right... So why did he wrote back? In the morning,

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he said that a cap on salaries for chief executives and footballers, I

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think was the other example he used but, by the afternoon, he had

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changed his position to ensuring it would be bosses of companies with

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government contracts, that they could earn more than 20 times the

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pay of junior staff. Why did he change his position? I listened to

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the interview and snippets have been played. No, there was a clear

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change. In the morning, he said he wanted a general, maximum cap on

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salaries in private and public sectors. In the afternoon, he

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singled out the public sector and said it should be a ratio of 20 to

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one. No, he didn't. He said it was a rat inequality. In the context of

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high executive pay, it wasn't right. -- it was around inequality. In the

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morning, he said, I'd back capping the maximum salaries of football. In

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the afternoon, I want to ensure bosses of companies with government

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contracts cannot earn 20 times their junior staff. That was adding to the

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general direction. So he will do both? We are looking at a policy

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document and when we have our manifesto I will come back and

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explain in detail. This was the development of our thinking on a

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ratios. Edge economic advisers said it was a lunatic -- lunatic idea and

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unworkable. What do you say to that? We need to follow the evidence and

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that is what we intend to do as part of policy development.

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Now - we've learned more about the Queen's

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Not only is Her Majesty said to be an avid viewer of this programme,

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it turns out that she is also a fan of a quiz show called "Pointless".

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The Queen is said to have stumbled upon it whilst waiting to watch

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Not an "appointment to view" programme like this one then.

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And, I'm told, it doesn't offer you the opportunity to win one

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of these prized receptacles either - no wonder it's called "Pointless".

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So - Ladies, gentlemen, your majesty - if you are looking

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for something to drink from whilst watching the Daily Politics or even

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Pointless, we're not fussy, let us know when this happened.

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And this film does contain some flashing images.

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Party leadership apparently said that they would endorse him

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as a candidate in a future election, which I find extraordinary.

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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -

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The first Prime Minister's Questions of 2017 is coming up. Laura

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Kuenssberg is here. Happy New Year to you. I must surely be right in

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assuming that Mr Corbyn will go on the NHS. I think for once we can

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assume that Jeremy Corbyn will go on the subject not just of the day but

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the New Year. They are the day, there has been a drumbeat getting

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louder and louder of warnings about the strain in the NHS. It is way

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beyond the usual lobbying you see from interest groups, and it can't

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be dismissed, not least because you now have a cross-party group of MPs,

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former Health Secretary 's, Labour, Tory and Lib Dem is now really

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trying to grapple with this idea and push Theresa May into considering a

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big conversation, a national convention on the future of the NHS.

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As we talked about on this programme many times, privately, many

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politicians say, we've got to have a conversation about whether the NHS

:28:41.:28:43.

can continue and be sustainable in its current form forced publicly,

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not many of them are willing to say that in the record, but Jeremy Hunt

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this week said that we have to have an honest debate about A in

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particular, and I think that was a significant moment. And that would

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be part of a long-term preparing the NHS for the 21st century. It

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wouldn't help those waiting on trolleys at the moment. Is their

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concern on Tory backbenches that this was an entirely predictable set

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of events and that the May government, its first really big

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challenge outside breakfast, has not really anticipated or dealt with it?

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I think there is concern on the Tory benches and, as we have said many

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times, there is a lot of concern among Tory councillors, many of whom

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have gone on the record to say, look, this crunch of cuts in council

:29:36.:29:40.

budgets, directly affecting the provision of social care, combined

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with demographics, is a car crash. Central government so far, beyond

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the precept, allowing councils to charge a bit more on council tax,

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they haven't grapple with what many people see as a yawning gap between

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the amount of resources needed on the ground and what is available. It

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is worth saying, and what Number Ten consistently says, is that there is

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more to it than that because, if you look at different parts of country,

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there are different outcomes. Which is the point Damian Green was making

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when I interviewed him. I imagine Theresa May may make that response

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today, if she is pressed on this issue, as we expect she will be. The

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other difficulty for the NHS in calling for more money, which

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Theresa May is referred to publicly many times, which might go some way

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to explaining the front page of the Times today, which suggests Number

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Ten have been stirring the pot against the NHS chief executive,

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Simon Stevens. They have set on the record that the NHS asked for an

:30:41.:30:43.

amount of money and they were given the amount of money they asked for

:30:44.:30:47.

so, for them to come back a year later and say it isn't enough, they

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should take responsibility for that and deal with the cash better. What

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they have actually done is dispute the amount of money so that doesn't

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really agree with the government's figures. And it doesn't cover the

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social care budget. Wright it was remarkable that the health budget

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wasn't mentioned in the Autumn Statement. I would suggest he is

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unlikely to get away with that in the budget, on March the 8th. One

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senior minister has said to me, in the run-up to the Autumn Statement,

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they didn't believe there would be more money available for the NHS in

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the Autumn Statement but later in the year it was something they would

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not be surprised to see. Let's go straight

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The Prime Minister. This morning I had meetings with ministerial

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colleagues and others in addition to my duties in this house, I will have

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further meetings today. Happy New Year to you, Mr Speaker, let me

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extend it to everyone in this house. It has been over six months since

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European referendum and embarrassingly, for the Prime

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Minister, the Scottish Government is the only administration on the

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islands which have published a plan on what to do next. LAUGHTER

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Has the Prime Minister read it yet? And, when will she be publishing her

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own plan? Can I join the honourable gentleman in wishing everyone in the

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house, not only members but the staff of the house a happy New Year.

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Can I say that as I said to the liaison committee when I appeared in

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front of them before Christmas, I will, in a matter of weeks, be

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setting out more details of our proposals on the issue. I would like

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to remind the honourable gentleman that when he talks about the

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Scottish Government's plan, it is his party, the Scottish Nationalists

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party, that wants to leave the UK and therefore the U. -- the EU. In

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my constituency they employ over 1200 people in high skilled jobs,

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Manufacturing nuclear fuel which generates 15% of the UK's

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electricity. Do you agree that this industry is of crucial importance to

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the Northwest economy and will you support the new generation of power

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stations to guarantee jobs? I certainly agree with my honourable

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friend that new nuclear has a crucial role to play in securing our

:33:22.:33:26.

future energy needs, especially as we are looking to move to a low

:33:27.:33:31.

carbon society. The industrial strategy that the government will be

:33:32.:33:34.

setting out will have a strong emphasis on the role of regions in

:33:35.:33:38.

supporting economic growth and ensuring the economy works for all.

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Like my honourable friend I welcome the proposals from Toshiba to open a

:33:43.:33:50.

new power station in Cumbria and they continue to work closely with

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developers as they bring proposals forward. Jeremy Corbyn... Thank you,

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Mr Speaker, it is nice to have such a warm welcome and may I wish all

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members a happy New Year, as well as all members of staff in the house. I

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hope the whole house will join me, I'm sure that they will, in playing

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tribute to 22-year-old Lance Corporal Scott Hetherington who died

:34:20.:34:22.

in a non-combat incident in Iraq last Monday, I'm sure that the whole

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house will send condolences to family and friends of Katie Rough

:34:29.:34:36.

who died in York this week, it is right to send condolences. Last

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week, 485 people in England spent more than 12 hours on trolleys in

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hospital corridors. The Red Cross described this as "A humanitarian

:34:48.:34:52.

crisis". I call on the Prime Minister to come to Parliament on

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Monday. She did not. She sent the Health Secretary, but she agree that

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the best way of solving the crisis of the four-hour wait is fiddling

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the figures so that people are not seem to be waiting so long on

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trolleys in NHS hospitals? Well firstly, may I join the right

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honourable gentleman in sending condolences to the family of Lance

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Corporal Hetherington who died in a non-combat incident in Iraq, from

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everything I have seen and read, he was a very fine young man. We were

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delighted -- he was delighted to be in the Armed Forces and we are proud

:35:30.:35:33.

that such a fine young man was in the Armed Forces. I also join the

:35:34.:35:37.

right honourable gentleman in expressing condolences to the family

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and friends of little Katie, who died so tragically. Now, he talks

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about pressures on the NHS, and we acknowledge that there are pressures

:35:47.:35:50.

on the national Health Service. There are always extra pressures on

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the NHS over the winter, but of course we have at the moment added

:35:55.:35:59.

pressures of the ageing population, and the growing complex needs of the

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population. He refers to the British Red Cross term of a "Humanitarian

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crisis" but I must say that we have all seen humanitarian crisis around

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the world. And, to use that description of a national health

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service... Which, last year, saw 2.5 million more people treated in A

:36:22.:36:27.

than six years ago, was irresponsible and overblown. Mr

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Speaker, 1.8 million people had to wait longer than four hours last

:36:36.:36:42.

year in A departments. The Prime Minister may not like what the Red

:36:43.:36:46.

Cross said, that on the same day, the British Medical Association said

:36:47.:36:50.

conditions in hospitals across the country are reaching a dangerous

:36:51.:36:54.

level. The Royal College of Nursing has said NHS conditions are the

:36:55.:36:59.

worst ever. The Royal College of Physicians told the Prime Minister

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that the NHS is underfunded, not enough doctors, and overstretched.

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If she will not listen to the Red Cross, who will she listened to?

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I've said to the right honourable gentleman that I have acknowledged

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that there are pressures on the NHS, the government has put in extra

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funding and the fact that we are seeing more people being treated in

:37:20.:37:27.

our NHS, 2500 more people are treated within four hours every day

:37:28.:37:31.

in the NHS because of the government adding extra funding and the hard

:37:32.:37:35.

work of medical professionals in our NHS. But I also say to him it is not

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just a question of targets in relation to the health service. We

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continue to have a commitment, as the Health Secretary made clear, to

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the four hour target. It is a question of making sure people are

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provided with appropriate care for them and the best possible care in

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their circumstances. Jeremy Corbyn! Mr Speaker, she seems to be in a

:37:58.:38:02.

degree of denial about this and will not listen to professional

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organisations who have spent their whole lifetime doing their best for

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the NHS. But, can I ask if she will listen to Sian, who works for the

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NHS. She has a 22-month-old nephew who went into hospital, there was no

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bed and he was treated on two plastic chairs pushed together with

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a blanket. She says one of the nurses told her sister that it is

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always like this nowadays. She asks the question to all of us. Surely,

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we should strive to do better than this? Does the Prime Minister and

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Health Secretary think that this is an acceptable way of treating a

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22-month-old child needing help? Shameful! I accept there have been a

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small number of incidents... Where, an acceptable practices have taken

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place. But, what matters, we do not want those things to happen, but

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what matters is how you deal with them. That is why it is so important

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that the NHS looks into issues where there are unacceptable incidents

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which have taken place and learned lessons from them. But I come back

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to the point I was making earlier. He talks of the hard-working health

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care professionals, like Sian, in the NHS. And indeed, we should be

:39:20.:39:23.

grateful for the work that all of those working in the NHS do, over

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Christmas, we saw the busiest day ever in the NHS and over the few

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weeks around Christmas, we saw the day where more people were treated

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in A within four hours than had ever happened before. This is the

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reality of the National Health Service. Jeremy Corbyn!

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We all thanked NHS staff and praise them, but her government is

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proposing through sustainability and transformation to cut one third of

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beds in all of our hospitals in the very near future. On Monday, she

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spoke about mental health, and doing more to help people, particularly

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the young, with those conditions. I welcome that, except last night

:40:15.:40:17.

the BBC revealed that over five years, there had been an 89%

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increase in young people with mental health issues, having to go to A

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departments. So, doesn't she agree that the 1.25 billion committed to

:40:29.:40:32.

child and adolescent mental health in 2015 should have been ring

:40:33.:40:36.

fenced? Rather than used as a resource to be raided to plug other

:40:37.:40:40.

holes in other budgets within the NHS? If we look at what is happening

:40:41.:40:48.

in relation to mental health treatment on the NHS we see 1400

:40:49.:40:53.

more people every day accessing mental health services. When I spoke

:40:54.:40:58.

about this issue on Monday, I said that there is, of course, more for

:40:59.:41:01.

us to do. It is not a problem that will be

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resolved overnight. I have set out ways in which we will see an

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improvement in the services we see in relation to mental health but it

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is about appropriate care for any individual and, as I mentioned

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earlier, it is not just about A When I was in Aldershot on Monday, I

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spoke to service users with mental health problems, who said that they

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did not want to go to A, the provision of alternative services

:41:30.:41:34.

has meant that the A locally has seen their numbers stabilising

:41:35.:41:38.

rather than going up. It is about the appropriate care for the

:41:39.:41:41.

individual, and we want to see good practice spread across the whole

:41:42.:41:47.

country. Jeremy Corbyn! Mr Speaker, nobody wants people with mental

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health conditions to go to A departments, A departments do not

:41:53.:41:56.

want them to go there but under the government, there are 6000 nurses

:41:57.:42:00.

fewer working in mental health, 400 fewer doctors working in mental

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health, it is obviously they will go somewhere to get help when they are

:42:05.:42:08.

in a desperate situation. Mr Speaker, our NHS is under a huge

:42:09.:42:13.

pressure, and much of it is caused by cuts to social care. The Royal

:42:14.:42:18.

College of Physicians has said that it is pushing more people into our

:42:19.:42:22.

hospitals and trapping them there for longer. We'll be Prime Minister

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do what my friend, the member for Leicester South has called for, and

:42:27.:42:31.

bring forward the extra 700 million allocated in 2019 now into social

:42:32.:42:38.

care so that we did not have this problem of people staying too long

:42:39.:42:41.

in hospital when they should be cared for by a social care system?

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The right honourable gentleman has asked me these questions before

:42:47.:42:53.

Christmas in the last PMQs... He may find it difficult to believe that

:42:54.:42:56.

somebody will say the same thing that they said a few weeks ago...

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But... We have put extra money into social care. In the medium term, we

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are ensuring that best practice is spread across the country, because

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he talks about delayed discharge. There are some local authorities

:43:19.:43:21.

working with their health service locally where there are virtually no

:43:22.:43:28.

delayed discharges. 50%, half of the delayed discharges, are in only 24

:43:29.:43:34.

local authority areas. What does that tell us? That it is not just

:43:35.:43:39.

about funding but best practice. If the right honourable gentleman comes

:43:40.:43:42.

back to me and talks about funding again, he should think on this. We

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can only fun social care and the NHS if we have a strong economy with the

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Conservatives! Mr Speaker, I'm sorry to have to bring the Prime Minister

:43:55.:43:57.

back to the subject of social care which I raised before Christmas, the

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reason I did so and will continue to do so is because she has not

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addressed the problem! The government has cut ?4.6 billion from

:44:08.:44:11.

social care budgets. The Kings fund says there is a social care funding

:44:12.:44:17.

gap of ?2 billion almost this year. Earlier this week, the Prime

:44:18.:44:21.

Minister said that she wanted to create a "Shared society". We

:44:22.:44:26.

certainly have that. More people sharing hospital corridors on

:44:27.:44:30.

trolleys! More people sharing waiting areas and A departments.

:44:31.:44:35.

More people sharing an anxiety created by this government. Our NHS,

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Mr Speaker, is in crisis but the Prime Minister is in denial. Can I

:44:43.:44:47.

suggest to her, on the economic question, cancelled the corporate

:44:48.:44:52.

tax cuts! Spend the money where it is needed, and people in desperate

:44:53.:44:56.

need in social care, or in our hospitals! The right honourable

:44:57.:45:03.

gentleman talks about crisis, I suggest that he listens to the

:45:04.:45:06.

honourable member for Don Valley, a former Labour health minister, who

:45:07.:45:11.

said the following. With Labour, it is always about crisis. The NHS is

:45:12.:45:15.

on its knees, we had to be a bit more grown-up about this. And come

:45:16.:45:20.

he talks to be about corporation tax. -- and he talks to me about

:45:21.:45:27.

corporation tax and cuts, the Labour Party has already spent that money

:45:28.:45:32.

eight times! The last thing the NHS needs is a check from Labour which

:45:33.:45:36.

bounces, the only way we can ensure we have funding for the NHS is a

:45:37.:45:41.

strong economy. Yesterday, the right honourable gentleman proved that he

:45:42.:45:45.

was not only incompetent but would destroy our economy which would

:45:46.:45:46.

devastate our NHS. Cyber bullying, sexting and revenge

:45:47.:46:04.

pornography are part of British teenage life today, and so is a

:46:05.:46:09.

rapid increase in mental health problems among our teenagers. How is

:46:10.:46:15.

the Prime Minister helping to tackle the pressures teenagers face in

:46:16.:46:19.

Britain today? My right honourable friend raises an important point,

:46:20.:46:23.

and one of the things I spoke about when I spoke about mental health on

:46:24.:46:27.

Monday was trying to ensure we can provide better training for staff

:46:28.:46:32.

and teachers in schools to identify the early stages of mental health

:46:33.:46:37.

problems for young people, so that those problems can be addressed. I

:46:38.:46:42.

think it is something like half of all mental health problems start

:46:43.:46:45.

before age 14, so it's a real issue we need to address. We are going to

:46:46.:46:49.

look at how we can provide that training, and we will be looking at

:46:50.:46:54.

a number of other ways and reviewing the mental health services provided

:46:55.:46:57.

for young people to ensure we can identify what is working and make

:46:58.:47:01.

sure that good practice is spread across the country. May I begin with

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a tribute to father George Thompson, who died shortly before Christmas.

:47:09.:47:12.

He led a remarkable life as a teacher, priest and SNP member for

:47:13.:47:19.

Galloway. We extend our sympathies to his family. All of us in this

:47:20.:47:24.

house and across these islands care about the peace process and the

:47:25.:47:29.

democratic institutions in Northern Ireland, so may I wish the premise

:47:30.:47:33.

done well, the Taoiseach, the Northern Secretary, the political

:47:34.:47:38.

parties all the best in trying to resolve the serious political

:47:39.:47:41.

difficulties there. Will the Prime Minister tell us what consequences

:47:42.:47:47.

will be if no agreement be found? I join the honourable gentleman in

:47:48.:47:51.

offering condolences to the family and friends of George Thompson, the

:47:52.:47:57.

member for Galloway between 1974 and 1979. On the issue he has raised

:47:58.:48:02.

about the situation in Northern Ireland, we are treating this with

:48:03.:48:05.

the utmost seriousness, and as he will know the Northern Ireland

:48:06.:48:09.

Secretary made a statement in this house earlier this week on this

:48:10.:48:14.

issue. He has spoken to the First Minister and the former Deputy First

:48:15.:48:21.

Minister and he is urging all parties to work together to find a

:48:22.:48:26.

way forward. I have also spoken to the Taoiseach about this issue, so

:48:27.:48:28.

we are putting every effort into this. The legislation is that, if,

:48:29.:48:37.

within seven days, we don't have a nomination for a Deputy First

:48:38.:48:39.

Minister, the matter would go to an election. The Prime Minister has

:48:40.:48:45.

indicated that she wants to date the views of the elected representatives

:48:46.:48:51.

and the devolved institutions on Brexit seriously. So it stands to

:48:52.:48:55.

reason then that, if there is no Northern Ireland Assembly and there

:48:56.:48:57.

is no Northern Ireland Executive for much of the time before the March

:48:58.:49:05.

timetable she has set before invoking Article 50, that she will

:49:06.:49:09.

be unable to properly consult, to fully discuss and find agreement on

:49:10.:49:12.

the complex issues during this time period. In these circumstances, will

:49:13.:49:18.

the Prime Minister postpone invoking Article 50? Will she postpone

:49:19.:49:29.

Article 50, or will she just plough on regardless? It's about ensuring,

:49:30.:49:37.

as he says, we all want to ensure that we do hear the views from all

:49:38.:49:42.

parts of the UK. That is why we have established the GMC, European

:49:43.:49:46.

committee, specifically to take the views and the GMC plenary, which is

:49:47.:49:53.

also meeting more frequently than previously. First, we want to ensure

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that, within this period of seven days, we can find a resolution to

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the political situation in Northern Ireland so we can continue to seek

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the assembly government continuing, but I am also clear that, in the

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discussions we have, it will be possible and it is still the case

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that actually ministers are in place and that obviously there are

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executives in place, and we are still able to take the views of the

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Northern Irish people. Closed question, Michael fabricant. Thank

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you, Mr Speaker. Apologies. The fundamentals of the UK economy are

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strong, including in Staffordshire and the West Midlands. Employment in

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Staffordshire has risen by over 20,000 since 2010. We have protected

:50:44.:50:47.

schools and police budgets and we have seen more doctors and nurses in

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the Burton hospitals trust. We are going further than this in the West

:50:53.:50:57.

Midlands by giving new powers to the region with the devolution deal and

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the election of a directly elected mayor, and I think Andy Street, with

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his business and local experience, would be a very good mayor for the

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West Midlands. I think the Prime Minister for that answer.

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Unemployment in my constituency, my beautiful Litchfield constituency,

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is around 0.7%, which is fantastic, but I want it even lower. I have

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found out that 24% of my constituents work in the area of the

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West Midlands combined authority. So can I press my right honourable

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friend just a little bit further about what she thinks is needed in

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the West Midlands combined authority to improve employment still more?

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Well, I think my honourable friend, and of course I have had the

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advantage, having visited his beautiful constituency. In relation

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to the Midlands, we have very strong ambitions to make the Midlands and

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engine for growth in the UK. That is why we have plans for a Midlands

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engine that demonstrates that, when we say we are going to build an

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economy that works for everyone, we actually mean it. In the Autumn

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Statement, ?5 million was confirmed for a Birmingham rail hub, 250

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million Midlands engine investment funds, and we will shortly publish a

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strategy for the Midlands engine, but I repeat that I think, for the

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West Midlands, having the devolution deal, the mayor and the right person

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elected as mayor, who I think we'll be Andy Street, is important. Sur

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Ivan Rogers, in his resignation letter, said people may have to

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deliver messages to the government that they may find disagreeable, so

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here is one. Her lack of priority for the single market is putting

:52:52.:52:55.

jobs in Scotland and the economy at risk. That means that government is

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as big a threat to the union as the SNP. Her government is not worthy of

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the trust Scots, let alone their blind trust, so will the Prime

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Minister take this opportunity to apologise for threatening the union

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and give a solemn promise to every single person in this country that

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they will not be a penny worse off after a Tory Brexit? The honourable

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gentleman will be well aware that I want to see the best possible trade

:53:25.:53:29.

deal for the UK with the EU, the best possible deal for trading with

:53:30.:53:33.

an operating in the single European market. When we enter the

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negotiations, obviously that is one of the issues I have said I want to

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see, and we will be out there and delivering on it. Unlike the

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downplaying he does about the approach we are taking, it is

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government that is ambitious for the opportunities available to this

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country once we leave the EU. Cheshire schools in areas of reality

:53:55.:54:01.

and high deprivation will receive some of the lowest per-pupil funding

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rate in the country under the new proposed funding formula. -- in

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rural areas. Does the Prime Minister agreed that these discrepancies must

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be addressed to ensure that pupils in my area receive the best possible

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start in life? I think everybody recognises that the way schools have

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been funded in the past has been unfair and many pupils have missed

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out, and that is why it is right for us to look at bringing forward a new

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fair funding formula, making sure funding is attached to children's

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needs. We recognise the issues of rural areas in this, which is why,

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within the fair funding formula, additional funding for such schools

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has been included, but of course the Department for Education as this out

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for consultation at the moment and I would urge my honourable friend to

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make a representation is part of that consultation. Dewsbury hospital

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A is set for downgrade this year. Over Christmas, I had constituents

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waiting over 20 hours for a bed, in a facility that might not even exist

:55:07.:55:10.

next year. Would the Prime Minister now please face reality and act now

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to stop this vital A service from disappearing? The honourable ladies

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referring to the plans being put forward at local level to

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consider... shouting. IF THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DEWSBURY, IF

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SHE WERE BEHAVING LIKE THAT IN ANOTHER AREA, WOULD PROBABLY BE

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SUBJECT TO AN ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR ORDER. I returned to the point,

:55:46.:55:53.

decisions about services in the local area are rightly taken by the

:55:54.:55:57.

local National Guard service, because we believe that it is local

:55:58.:56:01.

clinicians and local patients and leaders who know what is less for

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their area, so it is about trying to tailor services to provide the best

:56:07.:56:09.

possible needs for local people, modernising care and facilities and

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making sure the services are appropriate to the local area. This

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trust has an extensive improvement plan to ensure both hospitals within

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it can care for patients attending A within as timely a way as

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possible. Next Thursday evening, I will host the first session of the

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Bedford community business school, free of charge, open to all, with

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250 local people sharing a passion for entrepreneurship and learning

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tips about business from national and local business leaders, so will

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my right honourable friend ensure that her forthcoming national

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strategy is that it's part be passionate interests of Britain's

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small business leaders and entrepreneurs? -- has at its heart.

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I can absolutely give that commitment. The industrial strategy

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will look to the economy of the future, what is the sort of economy

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we want in this country, and crucial to that will be the growth generated

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by entrepreneurs, small businesses and the very passion he speaks

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about. We want to see an environment in which those who can grow can

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emerge and develop and provide future jobs for people, so they can

:57:21.:57:24.

contribute to the strength of the economy. That is what the industrial

:57:25.:57:27.

strategy is about and I agree with my honourable friend. The Prime

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Minister, I am sure, will understand, despite the

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reassurances, that there are genuine and really serious concerns among

:57:38.:57:43.

staff across the NHS and the care system and patients and their

:57:44.:57:45.

families about the pressures they are under. It is for that reason

:57:46.:57:51.

that MPs from her own party, from the Labour Party and my own have

:57:52.:57:55.

come together to call for the government to establish an NHS and

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care convention to engage with the public, so we can come up with a

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long-term settlement for the NHS and care. Would the Prime Minister be

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prepared to meet with us just to discuss it so she can hear our case?

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I recognised the interest and attention the honourable gentleman

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has given to these issues, and he is a former health minister himself and

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I will be happy to meet with him and others as he suggests. There can be

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nothing as distressing for a parent as the death of their child,

:58:30.:58:34.

particularly where that child has been murdered. That is what happened

:58:35.:58:41.

to the two ladies, one of them a constituent of mine, who set up

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Justice After Acquittal, successfully campaigning for

:58:48.:58:49.

voluntary national standards of support by the CPS and policed by

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the families of murder victims following an acquittal. They are due

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to be launched next Tuesday. -- for the families. Would the Prime

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Minister join with me in paying tribute to determination and energy

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with which they have campaigned, and will she continue to ensure that the

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voices of the victims of crime and their families are always listened

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to? My honourable friend raises an important point and I am happy to

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join with him in paying tribute to these campaigners. I am sure the

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whole house would want to pay tribute to the work they are doing.

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I remain committed to ensuring that the voices of victims are heard.

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That is what I did as Home Secretary, looking at issues such as

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introducing new measures to tackle modern slavery, strengthening BIP

:59:40.:59:42.

CC, legislating in relation to police complaint and discipline

:59:43.:59:46.

systems to strengthen public confidence in policing, and I'm

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pleased to say that the Home Secretary is taking that same

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passion to ensure the voices of victims of crime are heard. --

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strengthening the IPC C. Across the UK, many banks are accelerating

:00:04.:00:07.

their closure of local branches, with adverse effects on vulnerable

:00:08.:00:11.

and older people and the high street. The Royal Bank of Scotland

:00:12.:00:14.

is closing down branches across Scotland, including Juniper Green in

:00:15.:00:22.

my constituency. Local convenience stores are taking the strain,

:00:23.:00:25.

processing bills and often facing exorbitant bank charges for the

:00:26.:00:30.

privilege of doing that. Will the Prime Minister meet with me to

:00:31.:00:33.

discuss how we can realise a situation where banking across the

:00:34.:00:37.

UK services customers and the real economy? The issue of bank branches

:00:38.:00:45.

and accessibility of bank services is one which is for individual banks

:00:46.:00:49.

themselves to take and consider, and there are many ways in which people

:00:50.:00:55.

are now accessing bank services other than going physically into a

:00:56.:00:58.

branch, but I will certainly look at the issue she has raised. Building a

:00:59.:01:04.

country that works for everyone means doing even more to tackle

:01:05.:01:09.

economic and social deprivation that has come to afflict pockets of

:01:10.:01:18.

seaside towns such as Rhyl in my constituency. Would the right

:01:19.:01:24.

honourable friend support a locally developed plan to invest in rail

:01:25.:01:28.

infrastructure to help unlock the true potential of the north Wales

:01:29.:01:32.

and Mersey economic region as an integral part of the northern

:01:33.:01:35.

powerhouse, connected to the rest of the country by the proposed a Harb

:01:36.:01:41.

at Crewe? I welcome the establishment of the north Wales and

:01:42.:01:47.

Mersey rail task force and the work they are doing. The plan he mentions

:01:48.:01:52.

sets out an ambitious programme of improvements for the area. I am sure

:01:53.:01:56.

they will prioritise the most promising option, but I can say that

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the Department for Transport will continue to work closely with the

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top force and the Welsh government to consider what can be jointly

:02:03.:02:09.

accomplished. As pensions Minister, Steve Webb... The value of a single

:02:10.:02:17.

rate pension. He also gave us the 2011 act. It is now deemed suitable

:02:18.:02:23.

for a knighthood. Unless this couldn't take action to help the

:02:24.:02:29.

struggling mostly women, that knighthood is a final insult to

:02:30.:02:35.

these women. Action has been taken in relation to women's pensions. The

:02:36.:02:38.

government took action to ensure that the number of people affected

:02:39.:02:44.

and the period for which they were affected would be reduced, and money

:02:45.:02:48.

was put in to that was possible, but I also say to the general -- the

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honourable gentleman that, if you look at the new structure being put

:02:54.:02:57.

in place, women will be some of the greater beneficiaries. I welcome the

:02:58.:03:04.

Prime Minister raising the awareness of the importance of child mental

:03:05.:03:08.

health this week. Not least because, last year, 65% of young people

:03:09.:03:15.

requiring mental health support in south Warwickshire had to wait over

:03:16.:03:19.

12 weeks before starting treatment. Can my right honourable friend

:03:20.:03:20.

outline how the new proposals will By honourable friend raises an

:03:21.:03:34.

important issue, we are investing more in mental health than ever

:03:35.:03:39.

before, spending a record ?4 billion per year, and it was conservative

:03:40.:03:43.

led government which introduced the parity of the scheme between mental

:03:44.:03:48.

and physical health but there is more for us to do in ensuring that

:03:49.:03:52.

we see the appropriate care available for people, and I cited

:03:53.:03:56.

that example earlier where I saw excellent work being done to provide

:03:57.:04:00.

care and support for people in the community. Which was relieving

:04:01.:04:04.

pressure on accident and emergency and ensuring that people get the

:04:05.:04:07.

best possible care for them which is obviously what we want to see.

:04:08.:04:15.

Strained accident and emergency provisions in my constituency are

:04:16.:04:18.

under review and further up the Cumbrian coast the community risks

:04:19.:04:25.

losing 24 hour access to A and consultant led maternity from its

:04:26.:04:30.

local hospital. I understand that she will save these decisions are to

:04:31.:04:35.

be made locally but will she at least say that she can understand

:04:36.:04:40.

the anxiety of expectant mothers who face a 40 mile journey on difficult

:04:41.:04:46.

roads which are often blocked if they have a difficult birth? I say

:04:47.:04:52.

to the honourable gentleman that I think the problems facing the health

:04:53.:04:56.

service in Cumbria are widely recognised and I understand the

:04:57.:04:59.

concerns of the local people in terms of services available to them.

:05:00.:05:05.

We put robust national support in place to address long-standing

:05:06.:05:07.

challenges in Cumbria and are developing a lasting plan to deliver

:05:08.:05:12.

high-quality sustainable services which are what patients rightly

:05:13.:05:15.

expect. He is right in that in relation to these decisions they are

:05:16.:05:20.

taken locally, no final decisions have been taken. I recognise the

:05:21.:05:25.

concern raised previously particularly about services at West

:05:26.:05:30.

Cumberland Hospital and there will be considerable involvement in

:05:31.:05:32.

taking these decisions but I recognise that there are

:05:33.:05:36.

long-standing challenges for health service provisions in Cumbria.

:05:37.:05:42.

Doctor Caroline Johnson... Thank you. I know from my career in

:05:43.:05:50.

medicine that the men and women of our East Midlands Ambulance Service

:05:51.:05:53.

do a brave and sterling job for the people of Sleaford and North Hykeham

:05:54.:05:59.

and others, they save people's lives every day. East Midlands Ambulance

:06:00.:06:06.

Service responded to a total of 11,662 999 calls over the Christmas

:06:07.:06:10.

and bank holiday weekend alone. 2500 of which were in Lincolnshire. We'll

:06:11.:06:18.

be Prime Minister join me in paying tribute to their dedication,

:06:19.:06:22.

particularly over the busy winter period and say what more can be done

:06:23.:06:27.

to support our Ambulance Services and improve response times in rural

:06:28.:06:31.

areas like Sleaford and North Hykeham. Can I thank my honourable

:06:32.:06:37.

friend for her question and bringing her personal experience as a medical

:06:38.:06:42.

professional in relation to this issue, I am very happy to join her

:06:43.:06:47.

in paying tribute to the men and women of the Ambulance Service and

:06:48.:06:49.

the dedication and commitment that they show. She asked what the

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government have been doing and we recognise that the Ambulance

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Services are very busy which is why we see over 2000 more paramedics now

:06:58.:07:03.

compared to 2010 and are increasing paramedic training places by over

:07:04.:07:09.

60% this year. Also, the Department of Health, NHS employers and

:07:10.:07:13.

ambulance unions have agreed changes in compensation for paramedics,

:07:14.:07:16.

potentially giving them a pay increase of up to ?14,000 as they

:07:17.:07:20.

progress but we recognise that excellent work. Can I commend the

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Prime Minister for her considered statement last night, and indeed the

:07:26.:07:31.

words she gave this afternoon. She knows our commitment to the

:07:32.:07:34.

institutions in Northern Ireland but would she agree that nothing can be

:07:35.:07:40.

or should be gained from threatening the peace process, the progress that

:07:41.:07:45.

we have made, or the institutions that we have fought so hard to

:07:46.:07:51.

sustain in Northern Ireland? Well, the progress that has been made in

:07:52.:07:55.

Northern Ireland has been hard won. And we should all recognise that we

:07:56.:07:59.

do not want to put that progress in jeopardy. That is why I think it is

:08:00.:08:03.

so important for the government and all parties to work as hard as we

:08:04.:08:07.

can to see a resolution to this issue, so there we can see a return

:08:08.:08:11.

to the power-sharing institutions and ensure, as we say, that progress

:08:12.:08:16.

that has been hard-won can be continued. Nicky Morgan... Hankey Mr

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Speaker. Let me welcome what I said -- thank you Mr Speaker. Let me draw

:08:24.:08:29.

attention to a burning injustice, a constituent of mine has been

:08:30.:08:33.

battling cancer for four years, she is recovering from an operation and

:08:34.:08:37.

has taken 28 weeks off work, and is on half pay. Her working tax credits

:08:38.:08:41.

have been stopped so she is worrying about making ends meet rather than

:08:42.:08:47.

her recovery. Can I ask my right honourable friend to look at this in

:08:48.:08:51.

the Treasury in the course of budget preparations? Let me thank my right

:08:52.:08:58.

honourable friend about the comments about mental health announcements

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I've made. I'm sorry about the particular difficulties she has set

:09:01.:09:04.

out that her constituent is experiencing and the distressed

:09:05.:09:10.

cause -- the distress caused. These tax credits are designed to

:09:11.:09:13.

incentivise people to increase working hours. We will be with the

:09:14.:09:18.

universal credit system, having a system of benefits with single

:09:19.:09:21.

streamlined payments which encourages work. In the individual

:09:22.:09:25.

case my right honourable friend has raised, I'm sure the financial

:09:26.:09:28.

Secretary to the Treasury would be happy to look at that case and the

:09:29.:09:39.

issue that it has set out. Order... STUDIO: Prime Minister's Questions

:09:40.:09:43.

comes to an end, the first of 2017. Jeremy Corbyn used all six of his

:09:44.:09:48.

questions on the NHS, as we expected. Beginning with the number

:09:49.:09:53.

of people waiting in trolleys and in hospitals, A, so on. A range of

:09:54.:09:59.

medical institutions and representative bodies have been

:10:00.:10:03.

mentioned, the Prime Minister decided to attack the Red Cross in

:10:04.:10:06.

saying there was a humanitarian crisis which is why Jeremy Corbyn

:10:07.:10:10.

then named other medical institutions, that were not the Red

:10:11.:10:15.

Cross. I am not sure that the exchange produced anything that we

:10:16.:10:19.

did not already know. Jeremy Corbyn moved on to social care cuts which

:10:20.:10:23.

we have been discussing, before we went to PMQs. We did not any

:10:24.:10:29.

indication, that the Prime Minister has any intention of changing policy

:10:30.:10:32.

or adding more money, or whatever. But she has just decided to tough it

:10:33.:10:39.

out. Jeremy Corbyn finished with remarks about the Prime Minister 's

:10:40.:10:45.

speech, what she has called a "Shared society". Not Mr Cameron's

:10:46.:10:52.

"Big society". He defined it as "Shared misery".

:10:53.:10:55.

We will get comments shortly from the panel. But let's hear what you

:10:56.:11:00.

thought. Jo, you have e-mails? A lot on the subject of the NHS.

:11:01.:11:06.

And funding. Peter Kane said it was a strong performance from Jeremy

:11:07.:11:10.

Corbyn but he faced an open goal, Theresa May struggle to face those

:11:11.:11:16.

points. No doubt that health care cuts voters more than any other

:11:17.:11:20.

issue. The choice of words was clear and rebuke for that organisation was

:11:21.:11:24.

noteworthy. PMQs gave us a glance at the future of exchanges to come

:11:25.:11:29.

between frontbenchers. Marjorie says that sadly Jeremy Corbyn 's

:11:30.:11:32.

criticisms could be legitimate but how can we have confidence that he

:11:33.:11:36.

could govern better? Easy to criticise but difficult to govern.

:11:37.:11:44.

Noreen says that with cuts and the release of patients, why does no one

:11:45.:11:49.

ask about putting up taxes to cover the problem? What did you make of

:11:50.:11:54.

it? I think Theresa May struggled to come back with convincing answers on

:11:55.:11:58.

what was going on in the NHS. It was interesting she acknowledged that in

:11:59.:12:03.

her words there were a small number of cases where an acceptable things

:12:04.:12:09.

had taken place. She's gone slightly further -- and unacceptable number

:12:10.:12:13.

of things had taken place. A small number of things are going on which

:12:14.:12:18.

are unacceptable, that could come back to haunt her, to some people it

:12:19.:12:22.

would sound dismissive. The argument put forward on the other side...

:12:23.:12:26.

Remember that why this matters so much, voters care hugely about the

:12:27.:12:31.

NHS and David Cameron invested huge amount of political capital and

:12:32.:12:35.

energy into detox of the Tories reputation on the NHS. He did not

:12:36.:12:41.

completely overcome the perception of voters, Labour is seen as the

:12:42.:12:47.

party of the NHS. And more trusted. There is a real danger for the

:12:48.:12:51.

government of squandering some of the work that the previous

:12:52.:12:54.

administration had gone into to try and get the Tories to catch up on

:12:55.:12:59.

people's perceptions in terms of stewardship of the NHS. As you said,

:13:00.:13:02.

at this stage, she does not seem willing to budge on how things have

:13:03.:13:07.

gone but there is a big danger in it seems that she is putting her

:13:08.:13:12.

fingers in her ears. Yesterday, the former Health Secretary Andrew

:13:13.:13:14.

Lansley said on the programme or certainly suggested that Theresa May

:13:15.:13:16.

had not quite grasp grasped the seriousness in this

:13:17.:13:26.

issue. Nor the amount of money needed at one end of the social care

:13:27.:13:31.

or A Is that the case? Certainly there is something in the suggestion

:13:32.:13:35.

that the NHS is not one of her issues. She was at the Home Office

:13:36.:13:39.

for a long time and understands those issues and security, she is

:13:40.:13:43.

very familiar with that. It was suggested to me that there is not

:13:44.:13:49.

necessarily a problem and people would not stated is that necessarily

:13:50.:13:53.

but the NHS is not her turf, and it could well be that Number ten has

:13:54.:13:58.

not been up for understanding the scale of the challenge that the NHS

:13:59.:14:03.

faces but they do have a very strong defence. Simon Stephens asked for a

:14:04.:14:07.

certain amount of cash and the government gave them it, as they

:14:08.:14:11.

would argue. Of course, it is disputed... But it is hotly

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disputed. By all sorts of people. In terms of political necessity,

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there's a sense among some in government that for the moment, it's

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kind of been dealt with. You were shaking head there? With that point

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that in some way the Prime Minister does not regard the health service

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as her issue, or an issue she wants to get involved in, actually it is

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her first big speech of the year, it was about mental health and of

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course she cares as much as anyone about the health service. She chose

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to make this speech to illustrate her ideas about a shared society. On

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the issue of mental health, which, for years, we've all been discussing

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and agreeing that mental health is the Cinderella of the health

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service, and dealing with one of the mystical parts of the NHS. I do

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disagree with that analysis. Mr Corbyn has said that the government

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has planned to close a third of hospital beds in the near future, is

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that true? According to the sustainability and transformation

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plans, we did a Freedom of information request,

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and a third of all... With consultations there is not a single

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plan to close these, it is wholly bogus. It is good to know... They

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are all local plans but the point about these transformation plans...

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They are plans developed by local and clinical commissioning groups.

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They are clearly not top-down reorganisations and they are all

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after consultations. Are you saying that there are local

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plans to close hospital beds that, when you add them all up, will

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amount to a third...? There are no plans at all. They are at the

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initial stages of consultation. The overall thrust is what Simon Stevens

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has been saying since 2014, there is nothing new in it, which is that

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people who shouldn't been in hospital, what we have been saying

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about people staying too long. The more services you provide outside

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hospital, the better treatment. But this is in the context of a

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dwindling budget. I am a former NHS Trust chair and former public health

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consultant. I can remember that you work within the budget limitations

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you add. The government has reduced the amount of funding available.

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With the 2012 health and social care act, there was an opportunity for

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trusts to raise their income levels through privatisation of key beds,

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up to 49%. I think we are going to uncover a lot in terms of the amount

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of beds being used in terms of private health care, which is adding

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to the pressure. 4 million people are now on waiting lists. We are

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going back to the 90s, and it is dire that we have people dying on

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trolleys. To say that these are small numbers, that won't give any

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consolation to families that have been affected by this. This is

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really complacent to the extreme. This consultation, this is part of

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the 22 billion savings that have to be made, isn't it? Not cut... 22

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billion savings that will then be spent better elsewhere is the plan,

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I think. Indeed, it is the NHS's five-year plan that basically was

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designed to have a more modern, better structure, more effective

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health service. And there is a sort of problem with this, some people

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see it, that you can make changes if you have got a bit scared -- a bit

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of spare capacity. You can try to persuade a local town they would be

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better served not having a local A because they have these different

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provisions, whatever. You can make those changes and have those

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discussions if you have a bit of headroom and spare cash around the

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edges, but the rising demand and the fact we are living longer has sucked

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out that spare bandwidth and capacity in the health service,

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which is making it so difficult. You say that Theresa May is focused on

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mental health, and she mentioned it in her speech, but it is also true,

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according to the health minister, that there has been a drop of 6610

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mental health nurses, representing a loss of about 1000 such specialists

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per year since 2010. It is such a focus, why has there been a drop of

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over six and a half thousand? There are many problems in mental health

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provision around the country, and that is what we are starting to

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address, not just in terms of the mental health professionals and the

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numbers available... You are going to replace that number? Helping

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schools, particularly in secondary schools, every secondary school

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should have some help. In my own field, making employers much more

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aware of the issues of people with mental health issues. But what about

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the increase? Since 2010. People have talked about mental health

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being the Cinderella inside the health service, and I think that is

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largely true. For the first time, we now have a government and a Prime

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Minister making serious attempts to get to grips with that. There has

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been money given. More money was put through to the clinical

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commissioning groups. There is some thought that some of that money

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didn't reach mental health patients. Clearly it should have done and it

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should do in the future. What about the Pledge on parity of esteem?

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Theresa May was a senior movement of the government. Why hasn't this

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happened? Last year, there was a cut of 3% in terms of the mental health

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tariff. It didn't go up. These are warm words not backed up by action.

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We must hold the government to account on this. The French,

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Germans, Swiss and Swedes, four affluent countries, spent 11% or a

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little bit more of their GDP on health. We said earlier that we

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spend under ten. Both figures include private and public, but in

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Britain it is 2% of private, in Germany 1.7, so they are all around

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the same area. How would Labour increase the share of GDP to 11%, to

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the European affluent level? These are about choices. Jeremy mentioned

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corporation tax. We have committed around increasing the higher rate of

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income tax. We need to make sure that we prioritise... How much would

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that race? To be honest, I don't know. There is an argument that the

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cuts in the higher rate of tax generating more revenue, it is an

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opulent economists have and there is a consensus, so it may not raise you

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much. -- an argument economists have. You seem to have spent the cut

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incorporation tax many times. That isn't true. The plans we put forward

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at all been costed. We are promising that, if we were in power, we would

:21:30.:21:36.

make sure that women had access to pension credit. We made sure we have

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a budget... How much would you save them by not cutting operation tax? I

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don't have that figure to my fingers. I'm sorry. Can you also

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assure us just that it is Labour policy? Is it written somewhere? Can

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we go and see it? That the savings, if there are savings, from not cut

:21:59.:22:02.

incorporation tax would be spent on the NHS? Public sector funding will

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be an important one. That isn't what I asked you. Will the savings from

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not cut incorporation tax you spent on the NHS? When I come back to talk

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to you on our manifesto, I will be happy to go that detail. I can

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hardly wait! One tangible example that Jeremy had was bringing forward

:22:28.:22:33.

that 700 million in social care. Why can't that be done? That is a key

:22:34.:22:37.

issue around delayed discharges which would free up beds and mean

:22:38.:22:42.

people on waiting lists could have access, and it wouldn't mean that

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their beds for people instead of them having to wait on trolleys in

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A -- it would mean. The Prime Minister clearly has a problem with

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the NHS and, if we are in for a very cold end of January, beginning of

:22:56.:22:59.

February, as it was in 2009, it could be more than just a problem.

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The government has been lucky that the winters have been relatively

:23:05.:23:09.

mild in recent years, but given the manner in which Mr Corbyn approached

:23:10.:23:12.

the questions today, he had pretty much an open goal. I see one

:23:13.:23:18.

centre-left commentator saying that he actually just dribbled the ball

:23:19.:23:23.

in front of the open goal. He didn't stick it in the net. To use another

:23:24.:23:28.

sports metaphor, it wasn't necessarily a slam dunk. However, I

:23:29.:23:31.

think the fact that he did, unusually, you might say, use six

:23:32.:23:37.

questions to affect that Theresa May didn't particularly have convincing

:23:38.:23:41.

answers for, that will be seen as having been a pretty decent

:23:42.:23:45.

performance for him. I think it was a win for Jeremy Corbyn today, no

:23:46.:23:50.

question. But we do see a lot Jeremy Corbyn's performance at Prime

:23:51.:23:53.

Minister's Questions is undoubtedly better than it was 18 months ago,

:23:54.:23:58.

but is he the most effective performer at that dispatch box? The

:23:59.:24:02.

answer to that is no. Is Theresa May massively comfortable in this

:24:03.:24:05.

particular format? Not particularly either. One interesting thing. I

:24:06.:24:12.

have a feeling we will be coming back to all of this.

:24:13.:24:13.

Now, this week, amid accusations of nepotism, Donald Trump

:24:14.:24:15.

announced his 35-year-old son-in-law, Jared Kushner,

:24:16.:24:16.

was taking a "key leadership role" in the White House,

:24:17.:24:19.

advising him on both domestic and foreign policy.

:24:20.:24:21.

But it's not just in the US that politicians have

:24:22.:24:23.

So, let's see how many our guests can identify the famous politicians

:24:24.:24:28.

that have a personal as well as professional relationship

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Do you know who that is? I will give you clues in a second, but you might

:24:31.:24:52.

know. No. He towers over his father. It's Seb Corbyn. Yes, some of Jeremy

:24:53.:25:00.

and G. Two Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell. He hasn't yet grown the

:25:01.:25:05.

trademark family bed. He has changed his hair since. This one is from

:25:06.:25:11.

north of the border. Who is that? You are not allowed to answer,

:25:12.:25:19.

Laura. He is married to the leader of a political party. He is the

:25:20.:25:23.

Chief Executive of that political party. Presumably it is Mr Sturgeon.

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Yes, Peter Murrell is his name. He is married to an Nicola Sturgeon.

:25:33.:25:37.

The next lady is German, married to a British politician, and she

:25:38.:25:40.

prefers to stay out of the limelight, but she has gone on

:25:41.:25:45.

record to say her husband drinks and smokes too much. Crikey, that could

:25:46.:25:53.

be a lot of people! That is Mrs Farage. Yes, also known as Kirsten

:25:54.:25:58.

Mehr. You have done quite well. The last one, going back in history,

:25:59.:25:59.

let's have a look... Finally, we're going back a bit

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here, but this equine beast was the favoured advisor

:26:05.:26:06.

to a particular leader, some might And to discuss we're joined

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from the Welsh Assembly by two experts in political nepotism,

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Neil and Christine Hamilton. Welcome to both of you. Tell us,

:26:18.:26:27.

Christine, what is the advantage of working with or for Neil? I can keep

:26:28.:26:34.

an eye on him 24/7. The most important thing is, if you employ a

:26:35.:26:39.

member of your family, that they are the right and best person for the

:26:40.:26:44.

job. That is the key. There is nothing wrong per se with employing

:26:45.:26:48.

a family member, but only if they are the right person. I am happy to

:26:49.:26:52.

say in the Welsh Assembly that they have a rigorous selection process. I

:26:53.:26:57.

had to apply for my job. It was publicly advertised. I don't know

:26:58.:27:00.

how many people applied, but quite if you did. I had an interview. Some

:27:01.:27:09.

might say, so you should. I 100% agree. Neil will tell you the

:27:10.:27:14.

disadvantages! So what are the disadvantages? We can did. I can't

:27:15.:27:20.

get away with anything, not that I would want to, I am far too old. --

:27:21.:27:25.

be candid. The great advantage for me is that I have got my secretary

:27:26.:27:31.

on hand 24 hours of the day, in effect. If I had a brainwave in the

:27:32.:27:35.

middle of the night, I can clobber her in the ribs and get her to take

:27:36.:27:41.

a note. I think that is beyond the call of duty. Do you get fed up with

:27:42.:27:45.

each other? Yes, but for other reasons. But shouldn't we end this

:27:46.:27:53.

circular employing relatives? I understand where people are coming

:27:54.:27:57.

from when they say that. When I was elected to the House of Commons in

:27:58.:28:01.

1983, there were scandalous examples of members we employed wives, sons,

:28:02.:28:07.

daughters, aunts, uncles, in one cases, even grandparents, who did

:28:08.:28:12.

nothing at all or next to nothing. Clearly, that is an abuse and should

:28:13.:28:16.

never curve. When Christine became my secretary in the House of

:28:17.:28:21.

Commons, she had also worked for other MPs for 12 years. So she had

:28:22.:28:26.

experience. Good luck to the two of you!

:28:27.:28:28.

There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

:28:29.:28:31.

It was 1995. Press the red button and we will find out the winner.

:28:32.:28:43.

That is Walter Whatley from Bury St Edmunds. Congratulations.

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The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

:28:47.:28:50.

Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political

:28:51.:28:53.

We will be joined by Michael Howard, former Conservative leader.

:28:54.:29:01.

Theresa May's planning on having a speech, but it doesn't say...

:29:02.:29:05.

it doesn't say what's going to be said. No.

:29:06.:29:09.

I know she bought a pair of trousers, ?900. I know she did.

:29:10.:29:15.

Work and pensions secretary Damian Green and shadow work and pensions secretary Debbie Abrahams keep Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn company as they look at the continuing problems in A&E departments and examine Jeremy Corbyn's relaunch. Plus full coverage and analysis of the first Prime Minister's Questions of the year.