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Party. It was published on Weibo.. It has been widely shared. That's

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all from me. Welcome to HARDtalk,

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I'm Stephen Sackur. The British Brexit vote has

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detonated a political explosion which is reverberating

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across Europe. And now

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EU leaders are desperate to prevent the uncertainty and political chaos

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here in London spreading across the European Union,

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and threatening to unravel My guest today is France's energy

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and environment Minister, Is France determined to get tough

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on Britain to discourage people in other EU nations

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from contemplating a dash Segolene Royale,

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welcome to HARDtalk. Your Prime Minister, Manuel Vals,

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said the Brexit vote is an electric shock, an explosion

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on a world scale. Just how dangerous do you believe

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Britain's vote to have been? I sense a tone of anger

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in your voice and in your answer, do you think the British

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government, maybe the British people too,

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understand the depth of anger and alienation being felt

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in Paris and across There is already a debate

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about when the negotiations Your President and

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Prime Minister have suggested they want those formal

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negotiations to start as soon as possible, and indeed one source

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close to President Hollande said nothing would be worse than a long

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drawnout negotiation and France is going to exert pressure

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with that in mind. So how are you going to pressure

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the British to implement Article 50 and to get

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these talks going? But you can't make David Cameron

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trigger Article 50, he has the right to delay it and he has said

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because he is now leaving office he will leave it to

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the next Prime Minister to decide how and when to implement

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Article 50 and begin the formal I just don't see how the French

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government can actually It's a British decision,

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it's not a French But it's not your gift,

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it's not your decision. As you say, there are all sorts

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of ways Britain's relationship with the EU matters

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but the number one issue above all others is the economy

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and what kind of trade deal the UK can expect with the

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European Union after Now, one senior Conservative

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minister who may be putting his hat into the ring to be the next leader,

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Jeremy Hunt, has just written this. He said, "We must negotiate

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for the UK full access to the single market with a sensible

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compromise on the freedom But with respect, that was

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then and this is now. I suppose it comes down to this,

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whether you are minded, you in the French

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government and other European governments,

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whether you are minded to look for a compromise with

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the United Kingdom to maintain a very strong relationship,

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or whether there's an element punishment that you feel the UK

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will have to be punished, will have to face serious

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negative consequences But with respect, isn't that

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precisely why there are some members of your government in France

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who say, the Brits cannot be given a good deal because

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if the deal looks too good it will simply encourage

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others to think about making The word is contagion.

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Are you worried about that? The mayor of Calais has said that

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as a result of the Brexit vote, there should be a complete

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rethinking of the so-called Le Touquet Treaty of 2003 which sees

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British immigration officials working on French soil and,

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in effect, going through the passport controls

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and procedures on French Now, the argument is that

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after Brexit, the French have the right to tear up

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the Le Touquet treaty and tell the British that they should do it

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for themselves in Britain. So let's have clarity

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and truth on one other bilateral issue which could be

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affected by all the uncertainty that comes with the Brexit vote,

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and that is in a sense part And the massive French

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investment in a new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point

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in the west of England. It's vastly expensive,

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it's going to cost at And, according to one leading

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energy expert in the UK, Paul Dorfman, he says,

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"After all of the uncertainty that comes with Brexit,

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it is extremely unlikely that the French energy

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company EDF will continue with its investment and plan

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for Hinkley Point". But the project looks

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very different... But it has a lot to do

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with confidence and uncertainty and doesn't the project looks very

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different now Britain is in the midst of

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complete political chaos, long-term economic uncertainty

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and EDF, which is 85% owned by your state, why would

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it want to continue with this project amid

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so much uncertainty? A log of your fellow French men

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and women I think have lost faith in Europe, and when you say you want

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Europe to go in a deeper more integrated direction,

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many will listen to Marine Le Pen. She hailed the British referendum

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result, she said it was a victory for freedom and you know

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the National Front right now commands well over 20%

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support your country. It's not David Cameron's fault that

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Marine Le Pen is increasingly When she delivers

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a message, which is deeply Eurosceptical, which is now

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demanding a referendum, how are you going to persuade French

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people that she hasn't got But in essence you're saying

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you will never allow the French people to have their own

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fundamental say on whether I don't think it's democracy

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if you only think one answer is right and the other

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is unacceptable. You can't say that you too find

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the European Union frustrating and then say in the next

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breath that you and the president want more Europe,

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deeper, more integration. Either you want more

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Europe or you don't and if you do many, particularly

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perhaps in other parts of the European Union,

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like Eastern Europe, The Czech Foreign Minister said

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Brexit in the end... The fault lies in

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Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the Commission

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and the mentality of federalism in He said people like

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Juncker need to resign. So there are real divisions

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inside the European Union. But the fact is, and I am sure

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you look at the opinion polls just like I do, that the French

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are increasingly Eurosceptic as a whole,

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but also the Front National, the voice of euroscepticism

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in France, is increasingly popular. The reason they are so popular

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is because the established parties, including yours,

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the Socialist Party, According to the French historian

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Marc Lazar he says the party, the Socialists, are deeply

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divided on almost every In a way you appear to be abandoned

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by the working class voters who used to be the foundation

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of the Socialist Party. They now look to Marine

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Le Pen, because they believe she represents

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their interests more than you do. But right now President Hollande

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is in a battle with unions, who say he has fundamentally

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betrayed the interests of working people by pushing

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through a neoliberal economic agenda, changing labour

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laws to make it much easier to fire Again, the Socialist

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Party seems to be lost. You seem to have lost your sense of

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who you are and who you represent. You are a very experienced

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politician, you have run for the presidency before,

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you are still a very senior President Hollande's ratings

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are the lowest in history. 80% of the French people disapprove

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of what he's doing and 75% say that on no account should

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he consider running Either you will find

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a new candidate or you will have to accept that the next

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presidential election is lost. You look very excited and I've been

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reading the French newspapers and some French

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commentators believe that you and your approval

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ratings are much higher than Francois Hollande's

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and you are a credible candidate for the Socialist Party

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to be president, Let's end this interview

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by going back to the beginning. We began by talking

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about the explosion which has happened in Europe

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because of Brexit. What Europe needs now

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is strong leadership. Will Europe have to

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rely on Angela Merkel? You are very, very, very angry

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with David Cameron, aren't you? And if you were in this room not

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with me but with David Cameron and you had the chance

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to tell him what you thought of his decision-making

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and his legacy, as he is now about to leave office

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so we can think about his legacy, what

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would you say to him? Segolene Royal, we have

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to end there, but thank June, 2016 is now

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a thing of the past. Not all the stats are in

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but the provisional ones suggest it will go down as a rather

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damp and a dull month.

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