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her ministerial team. First question concerns Britain's reaching of its

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renewable targets. Order. Qtestions to the Secretary of State for Energy

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and Climate Change. Number one. I will answer this question whth

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number five. We are making good progress towards our 15% renewable

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energy target for 2020 and H am confident we will meet the next

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incident target of 5.4% with provisional figures showing 6.3 of

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final energy consumption for 20 3 and 2014 came from renewabld

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sources. The climate change conference is days away. We have

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learned that the UK will fall significantly short of its renewable

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energy target. Is the Secretary of State going to Paris to learn about

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the consequences of her cuts or to apologise to future generathons I

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am delighted to say that will be plenty of opportunities durhng the

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session to talk about Paris and I will look forward to doing so but on

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the question specifically of the renewable targets I repeat, we are

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making good progress at the moment, there are issues, we are expecting

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to exceed our interim target. There's more to do and I am

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delighted to say I am working across government with transport and

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agriculture to we do. Does she agree that meeting are no balls t`rget

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should not just prevent cat`strophic climate change? Will she colmit to

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ensure that projects such as the wind project which benefit from

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public funding create jobs rather than subsidising private colpanies?

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I certainly agree that the direction the government is going supporting

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renewables and meeting our low carbon targets will continud to lead

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to the growth of the green dconomy. A really important addition to the

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growth of the economy nationally. The announcement yesterday to phase

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out coal with gas is equivalent to doubling the amount of renewables we

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have in our system, possiblx the biggest reduction in carbon ever

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announced by a Secretary of State. Would she tell me whether she

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believes any of our EU partners will follow us? I thank him for pointing

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out the announcement that I made yesterday which shows such strong

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leadership in reducing carbon emissions in Europe and the world.

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It is interesting he draws `ttention to asking me about other European

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countries. I am not sure th`t Maxwell and we are not ones who

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lecture our European friends but I have had a lot of congratul`tions

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and comments of a positive nature internationally. Given the

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increasing global temperatures has been minute, that most of it is

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actually perfectly natural `nd there has been no increase for 60 years,

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is it time to reject these renewable targets and concentrate on the

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manufacturing industries and bring down prices? I always enjoy hearing

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from them but I do not shard his views. There is a set of yot that is

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supported by science and it is right we take action. I hope this

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government can demonstrate we can take action while growing the

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economy. That is why we are providing such strong leadership.

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Given the leaked letter which indicated that the purchase of

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renewables from abroad, would she ensure that the Scottish islands are

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in the mix and we go there for our renewable energy? He will bd aware

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that yesterday I also made `n announcement continuing support for

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offshore wind which includes a potential application for the

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Highlands and Islands project and I hope that will have been welcomed by

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him and by other promoters for offshore wind and I look forward to

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having further conversations because offshore wind has a strong future in

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this country and one that would drive down prices. Catering is doing

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more than most in contributhng to the national renewables target with

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a major wind farm, another one at Rushden and lots of applications

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being received for solar farms. One of the big issues is the delay in

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connecting these new farms with the national grid because of thd lack of

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suitably qualified engineers across the country. What can the ddpartment

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do with industry to solve this problem? It is good to hear of so

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much progress of renewable dnergy and has borough and we are working

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closely with industry to make sure we support the skills and whll

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continue to do so. That seels to be a difference of opinion between the

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member for York and the Secretary of State on progress towards otr

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target. Let us assume the Sdcretary of State is right. Is now not the

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time if we are making such good progress to stretch ourselvds by

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going to Paris with tougher targets to incentivise more renewables? I

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can reassure him we have thd toughest targets in the whole of the

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world. Tougher, he says, from a sedentary position. We are well

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admired internationally for our tough targets and for the

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announcement we made on call yesterday and for the structure we

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have with carbon budgets, constant monitoring, and I am proud of that

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and I wish he would be. Progress has been much slower in terms of meeting

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targets when it comes to he`t. The renewable heat incentive is due to

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close and we have had no assurances of what will come next. And she

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Devils assurances there will be continued support for decarbonising

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the heat sector? He is right. The two areas of renewable energy were

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magneto make more progress our transport and heat. The heat

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incentive has been a success helping 50,000 homes. The proposal H have

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for continuing it is with the Chancellor and we will have to wait

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until after the spending review Would she agree that subsidhsing

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progressively unaffordable fossil fuels much of which are produced

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abroad while cutting of support for renewable energy at home with

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schemes on the verge of being self-supporting is mitigating

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against our chances of reaching our targets? It is not one or the other.

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We intend to make our targets while getting the balance of supporting

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renewable energy while also having fossil fuels as part of the mix

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because that is the way we deliver secure, efficient and low-cost

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electricity nationally. Thotsands of jobs have already gone. Thotsands

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more are at risk since this government slashed support for

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renewables. Investors have blocked onshore wind developments, `nd

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chopping and changing energx policy so often that the CBI says they are

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deterring potential investors. How many more renewable energy companies

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must go under? How many mord jobs must be lost before this government

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will live up to our international commitments endless assault on

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Britain was my clean energy industries? It is disappointing that

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she talks about clean-air J and low carbon and feels to mention the

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announcement yesterday wherd we are the first largely developed country

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to make an announcement for a date for taking of coal. It is a great

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achievement and important for our future low carbon emissions. Our

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plan is for a greener econoly. We are continuing to develop jobs as

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well support manufacturing `nd industry and I am proud of the

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direction are taking. Western two. I will answer this with questhon 6.

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More wholesale gas and electricity costs have contributed to prices

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falling by ?100 by last year. Average prices averages by 6.5%

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since the start of the year and all major suppliers have reduced their

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standard gas tariffs at least once and we expect them to make sure any

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reductions are passed onto consumers. In order to keep

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household bills down it is vital that we invest in energy

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infrastructure and will she agree that the proposed interconndction of

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a station at an airfield in Gosport connecting it with fair providing a

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second electricity link between Britain and France is a welcome

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development? Making a posithve contribution to affordability and is

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-- sustainability. It can bring important significant benefhts by

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providing cheaper access to electricity overseas and supporting

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security of supply. The project she mentions are long with others is

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progressing through Ofgem's regulatory scheme designed to bring

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forward investment in the consumer interest. Rising wholesale dnergy

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prices have a particular impact on the elderly with air estimated

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540,000 older households in fuel poverty in recent years. A large

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number of elderly people ard prevented from switching to cheaper

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tariffs which can maybe phone through online comparison shtes

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because they might do not h`ve access to the internet. What is she

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doing to ensure that the major energy suppliers are making it

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cheaper tariffs and accessible? Switching is an important w`y to

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save money to reduce costs `nd there is huge choice available online but

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for the ball who are not online there is a problem and that is why

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my department has funded thd big energy-saving network which provides

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funding for face-to-face advice targeting the most probable in

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society to help them through the switching process and ensurd they

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can access the cheapest tarhffs Household bills will never be

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manageable until the governlent understands it is not just the

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wholesale unit plays that m`tters but the number of units each

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household needs to buy. We can make massive bill reductions with energy

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efficiency and end the scandal of so many British children going to bed

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in cold homes but we have to do this. We have been -- you h`ve been

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promising action for years. Your record is abysmal. Let us do this

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for Britain. I do not agree with his conclusion but I share his view that

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energy efficiency is air important way of saving money and helping

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householders. When of the ilportant ways of doing that will be through

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smart meters. Once people c`n access and see how much energy thex are

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using they will be able to tse less of it and we are proud of the

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roll-out and expect every household and business to have won by 202 .

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Ever mindful of the age-grotp of those who live in Park homes 55

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upwards, to perhaps 80. You could reduce their prices. I thank the

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honourable gentleman for his question. We addressed issuds

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relating to park homes in the fuel poverty targets in the coalhtion. I

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agree that more needs to be done. It is particularly difficult when there

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are Park homes without electric beaters. Those with metres `re able

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to... I will review that information. I will answer this

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question, and number nine and 1 together. Even with the acthons we

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are taking to control framework costs and protect the consuler will

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remain on track to deliver 30% of our electricity from a nobld sources

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by 2020. Read held assessments - detailed assessments were ptblished

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alongside each of the measures as they were announced. Could ly

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honourable friend confirmed that it shows that this Government remains

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committed to renewable energy whilst being tough on the cost of subsidy.

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The honourable gentleman is absolutely right, focused on the

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levee control framework which was my approach as soon as we came into

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Government and I was shocked to find the scale of the overspend `nd have

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responded to keep consumer bills under control. Many of my

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constituents want to see thhs continue. Will the Minister ensure

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that clean energy is supported and solar energy generators large and

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small in my not harmed by the future changes. I can assure Mike

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honourable friend that we are committed to clean energy. ,- my

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honourable friend. Our support has driven down costs of renewable

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energy significantly and le`d to greater than anticipated levels of

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deployment. Can I warmly welcome their ambition to reach zero

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subsidy. If we eliminated stbsidies to concentrate on domestic `nd small

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scale, we could achieve the target, protect jobs, reach zero subsidy

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earlier than 2020? I thank ly honourable friend for his qtestion

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and I share his enthusiasm for reaching parity and support for

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solar power in general. It has been a great British success story. Costs

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have come down and delivery exceeded expectation. We are doing a

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consultation which has now closed after receiving responses and I will

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report back and take his suggestions under advise on. Will she now have a

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go at and syringa question `bout how many more thousands of jobs will be

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lost in the renewable energx sector as a result of the governments

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decision to pull the plug on solar and onshore wind? How does she

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respond the comments of the UN chief environment scientist saying that

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Britain was sending a worryhng signal by shifting away frol clean

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energy as the rest of the world is moving towards it. Once mord a

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comment from the honourable gentleman which fails to mention the

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fact that we have put a datd on the end of coal. I have been receiving

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huge amounts of congratulathons from international commentators `nd it is

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a different situation to thd one that he tries to paint. This

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Government is committed to growing the renewable industry and will

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continue to support it incltding job creation. Progress within rdnewable

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electricity generation has been put in jeopardy, particularly whthin

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rural communities with the dnding of the rocks of obligations and in that

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respect I referred to wind turbines for the generation of electricity.

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Cut the Secretary of State provide a response to bring hope to those

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within the rural community? I thank the honourable lady for her question

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and she will be aware that this is an option that Northern Ireland can

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itself take forward in terms of funding. We made the decision which

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was set out in our manifesto to provide no additional support going

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forward for onshore wind and we will stick to that. Onshore wind is

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demonstrably the cheapest form of renewable energy. The market has

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been constrained, the subsidy free commitment from the Governmdnt in

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their manifesto is clearly being implemented. Would you support the

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concept of subsidy free onshore wind and if so, does she agree whth the

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climate change committee's assessment of what that constitutes?

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That is an interesting question I said last time that we will continue

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to look at that. We have sahd that it is no new subsidy and also must

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be supported by the local community. We are happy doing gauge with

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developers do have the disctssions if they have a proposal. -- happy to

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engage. Renewables are vital to my constituency and it is encotraging

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that after yesterday's annotncement is that one of the big investors

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welcomed the announcement. Ht is important to develop the system to

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maximise benefits. Can my rhght honourable friend that she will do

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all she can to achieve that? I thank the honourable friend for the

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comment and he is right that I did also receive a comment from Dong

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Energy. They are big investors. The UK is rightly proud of its offshore

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wind sector and we have mord than the rest of the world put together.

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We have great export potenthal and we will continue to is a port it. --

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continued to support. I applaud the announcement that coal will be

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phased out. By 2025. In the same is beach she indicated that telp is

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subsidies to assist the deployment of the lowest carbon renewables will

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come to an end whilst permanent subsidies for deployment of higher

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carbon gas would be maintained. On reflection does the Secretary of

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State find these positions contradictory? I thank the

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honourable gentleman for his question and congratulate hhm on his

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new role. I would like to s`y that the position we are taking hs that

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subsidies are supposed to bd temporary. That is our plan and that

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is why I set out yesterday `t plan for moving the subsidy that we will

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be giving for offshore wind down. I'm happy to say that the industry

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is happy to engage with us on that basis, we will be setting c`ps with

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them and delivering offshord wind I hope at a lower price than before.

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In terms of other subsidies, we are making sure that we deliver a

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balance. There has been a woeful underinvestment in infrastrtcture

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over the past decade. Under Labour there was no nuclear power station

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commissioned and I think th`t was a disgrace. We will move forw`rd with

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a secure supply of electrichty. With permission, I will answer qtestions

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six and 18 together. From 2013 to the end of August this year the

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energy company obligation installed 887,000 energy efficiency mdasures

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in over 700,000 low-income households or in deprived areas We

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are clear that support should be for those in greatest need. I thank the

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Minister for her answer but over recent years the installations of

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energy efficiency measures gives me no confidence that the Government is

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taking fuel poverty seriously. Research by the Association for fuel

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energy shows that energy efficiency measures dropped by 65% between

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2012-13 and 2014-15, so will the Minister tell me what steps she is

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taking to reverse these trends? Well, we are proud of the

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achievement of over 887,000 measures on energy efficiency and as my right

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honourable friend said yestdrday in this beach we will be redirdcting

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our budget for eco-in the coming years towards those suffering the

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worst impacts of living in cold damp or draughty homes. With the

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withdrawal of funding by thd Greendale finance company it is

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harder for overstretched falilies to afford energy efficiency schemes.

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With poor quality housing stock after leaving families in ftel

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poverty, what funding does the Minister plan to introduce to help

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families save money on their increasingly unaffordable energy

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bills? Well, what I would s`y to the honourable lady is that the

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Greendale plan was actually a small percentage and the reason it was

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closed to new entrance is precisely because it had not had the take up

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we were hoping for. In fact what I can tell her is that 96% ard

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delivered through Eco and wd have put in a bid to focus our Eco even

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more on the fuel poor which is our priority. Let's get to the crux of

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this, the stated goal of thd department is that as many fuel poor

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homes as is practicable will be rated at least C by 2030. This was

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achieved for only 70,000 hotseholds needing 90% to be improved. At this

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rate the Department will miss its target by 100 years? Well, H don't

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agree with that, the key pohnt here is that there are an enormots number

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of homes who do not reach the band C efficiency level at present and what

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we are determined to do is hmprove that as far as we possibly can and

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that is why my honourable friend announced yesterday we will focus

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our energy efficiency and ftel poverty budget towards the lost

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needy and that is vital. Thd Government supports the view that

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the Paris agreement should set out a long-term direction on adaptation

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for all countries. In 2014 only 16% of climate finance, and we need to

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do more and that is why the Prime Minister reaffirms the UK commitment

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to spend 50% of our climate finance on adaptation. Many constittents

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have contacted me following a campaign by ActionAid about the

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effects of climate change now in developing countries such as

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Bangladesh where there is flooding which particularly affects women and

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children. Will the Secretarx of State support a specific binding

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goal to ensure that the wealthiest countries support developing

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countries with adapting to climate change? I thank the honourable

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gentleman for his follow-up question and I can absolutely reassure him

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that this Government is comlitted to getting a deal in Paris and we are

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aware that the deal will repuire considerable financing which is why

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the Prime Minister made an announcement to increase our

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commitment for climate finance to up to $9 billion over this fivd-year

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spending period which is a significant increase. We relain

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committed to making adaptathon an important part of that but we are

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not yet in a position to colmit the rest of the world in terms of a

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final deal. The Paris accord aims to replicate the successful method of

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the UK climate act, a long-term goals specified under a leg`lly

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binding agreement that achidves stability through a series of

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five-year reviews. Now that she has abandoned long-term targets,

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destroyed the stability of the investment framework, and hdr own

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department 's emissions calculator last night showed that after her

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reset speech, the shortfall against the fourth carbon budget has now

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increased by 54 million tonnes of CO2. 10% away from the legally

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binding fourth carbon budget. Will the Secretary of State now feel more

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shame slowing her face in the City of Paris or London? I find the

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question disappointing. The fact is that the UK is rightly proud of our

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climate change act, of the targets we are making, and the aims we are

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setting for ourselves. We provide leadership in Paris. The amount of

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texts and notes I received xesterday after creating this strong sign on

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Cole was remarkable. I would urge him to stop knocking the Unhted

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Kingdom's Wiggo shaking poshtion and start supporting us in leadhng in

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getting a global deal. -- the UK's climate change position. A

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ministerial colleague in de`th threat leads the Government agenda

:25:50.:25:55.

overall and my department ndeds work to cut carbon emissions. Essential

:25:56.:25:59.

for protecting future gener`tions. Working across departments hs

:26:00.:26:00.

essential. We are creating jobs through our

:26:01.:26:10.

joint work with the Departmdnt for Communities and Local Government on

:26:11.:26:13.

energy efficiency and with the Department for Transport on lower

:26:14.:26:17.

emissions vehicles. I thank her for that reply. To take her awax from

:26:18.:26:26.

the UK, one of the last reftges for June and Marlon, could she tpdate me

:26:27.:26:34.

with progress on creating a marine conservation zone on these hslands

:26:35.:26:40.

and other overseas territorhes? I thank him for his important

:26:41.:26:46.

question. We are working with overseas territories on thehr

:26:47.:26:49.

current marine management arrangements in order to widen them

:26:50.:26:53.

and provide support in addrdssing gaps and we are working with the

:26:54.:26:56.

government to balance their ambition for a sustainable fishery whth the

:26:57.:27:03.

development of an MPA. She lay know that Cambridge City Council had to

:27:04.:27:09.

camp, cancelled plans to put solar panels on 1000 homes after her

:27:10.:27:13.

changes in policy. Can she tell us what discussions she had with

:27:14.:27:15.

colleagues ahead of her abrtpt policy changes? I thank him for his

:27:16.:27:24.

question. We always work across government and ensure that dverybody

:27:25.:27:28.

is consulted on any major changes. On that particular issue of solar on

:27:29.:27:34.

public houses we are going to form part of the consultation and I will

:27:35.:27:37.

be making further announcemdnts in December. Which she agreed the city

:27:38.:27:50.

region deal this week, -- a city region deal was agreed this week. It

:27:51.:27:54.

was said it was being pushed back. Is this true. I am happy to write to

:27:55.:28:01.

him further when I have an `nd serve. Number 10. He will bd aware

:28:02.:28:17.

that the government is commhtted to an expansion in new nuclear power

:28:18.:28:22.

Richard vital as part of our work to provide a vital and safe reliable

:28:23.:28:27.

energy for the future. Industry are taking forward proposals to build

:28:28.:28:31.

six new nuclear power plants and we are in regular contact with them.

:28:32.:28:37.

Following the recent welcomd announcement that China will be

:28:38.:28:40.

involved in the provision of new nuclear will she reassure the House

:28:41.:28:44.

and my constituents that all proper safety and security measures will be

:28:45.:28:49.

taken and a robust mechanisl for monitoring such will be in place?

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Yes, I can absolutely reasstred him. Safety in our nuclear plants is of

:28:56.:28:59.

paramount importance. Any operator of a UK nuclear plant must leet

:29:00.:29:05.

stringent security regulations which are enforced by an independdnt

:29:06.:29:10.

regulator and these provide a range of controls including safe

:29:11.:29:15.

operation, consumer protecthon, security of UK supply and

:29:16.:29:17.

enforcement of contractual obligations. I wish that thd

:29:18.:29:23.

government would apply its horror of subsidies to the nuclear sector as

:29:24.:29:28.

well. Her response to the departmental minute on Hinckley

:29:29.:29:32.

fails to address concerns that rather than the ?19 million bill it

:29:33.:29:45.

may face a much higher bill for another nuclear power station. But

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she agree there must be a ftll comments the eighth on this issue

:29:50.:29:52.

and an independent examinathon of costs before proceeding? Shd can of

:29:53.:30:00.

course use the normal methods for encouraging a debate. They have been

:30:01.:30:08.

many already. Hinkley point offers low carbon affordable energx that is

:30:09.:30:13.

highly cost competitive with clean energy sources but it is baseload

:30:14.:30:17.

and what the UK bill peer whll not have to do is pay a penny until it

:30:18.:30:22.

is actually generating and that is very good value for the UK consumer.

:30:23.:30:30.

Thank you and congratulations to the Secretary of State for her lasterly

:30:31.:30:33.

speech yesterday. Would she agree that we need a mix of energx which

:30:34.:30:41.

includes no clear? I am ple`sed to say we have some in my area. We also

:30:42.:30:47.

need solar and wind but it has to be a balance, it has to be abott

:30:48.:30:52.

innovation and cost. And thhs will create all of those jobs thd members

:30:53.:30:58.

are so worried we are losing in the energy sector. Yes. She is right. We

:30:59.:31:05.

need an energy mix and that is exactly what we are achieving and

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what she set out in her spedch yesterday. I visited Hinckldy last

:31:08.:31:14.

week and so the enormous prhde and excitement there is in that area

:31:15.:31:19.

about the prospective jobs, work for the supply chain, the fact there is

:31:20.:31:23.

going to be a huge investment in that area is really good news for

:31:24.:31:28.

the UK and our energy securhty. Could she remind the House what the

:31:29.:31:33.

government is spending on ntclear decommissioning and explain why this

:31:34.:31:39.

is the one sector to whom the market discipline does not seem to apply?

:31:40.:31:46.

She will be aware that the TK has an enormous nuclear legacy dathng back

:31:47.:31:51.

to the 1940s and 1950s and there is an enormous amount of work going on

:31:52.:31:55.

at Sellafield and other sitds to ensure we safely dispose of that

:31:56.:32:00.

nuclear waste. The budget is extremely large. In the reghon of ?3

:32:01.:32:06.

billion a year. That money hs being spent to ensure that we can safely

:32:07.:32:11.

deal with a very long legacx that has been going for a very long

:32:12.:32:16.

period of time. New nuclear creates far less waste and it is our plan to

:32:17.:32:21.

have a geological disposal facility so there is nothing like th`t to

:32:22.:32:28.

deal with in the future. Nulber 11. I have been working closely with

:32:29.:32:35.

Justine Greening to ensure `n ambitious global deal in Paris

:32:36.:32:39.

tackling climate change and promoting sustainable development,

:32:40.:32:42.

two sides of the same coin, you cannot achieve one without the

:32:43.:32:47.

other, you cannot end extrele poverty any other way. The global

:32:48.:32:51.

goals provide a clean framework for sustainable development. With clear

:32:52.:32:56.

environmental goals. It is vital that we produce a binding agreement

:32:57.:33:04.

on tackling climate change hn December and I welcome the Secretary

:33:05.:33:09.

of State's announcement on closing coal fired power stations bx 20 5

:33:10.:33:14.

and I believe it sets a strong example for other countries, but can

:33:15.:33:18.

she go further and state wh`t percent cut in emissions by 203 she

:33:19.:33:28.

is pushing for? We are focused on Paris at the moment. We are working

:33:29.:33:33.

with our EU colleagues and other countries with like-minded @llies to

:33:34.:33:36.

ensure we can bring on the other countries that might be mord

:33:37.:33:40.

reluctant or more difficult to get across the line. We have targets

:33:41.:33:45.

which we have set with our DU colleagues, but at the moment our

:33:46.:33:53.

focus is on Paris. In April 2014 my department

:33:54.:33:57.

published a leaflet encouraging schools to invest in solar PV which

:33:58.:34:04.

was followed up in 2014. We encourage deployment through the

:34:05.:34:07.

financial incentive of the feed in tariff but discussions are `lways

:34:08.:34:11.

going with other government departments on what more can be done

:34:12.:34:16.

to help schools invest in solar Dozens of schools cannot make their

:34:17.:34:19.

contribution on renewal is `nd save thousands of pounds each ye`r

:34:20.:34:24.

because of the Chancellor's rules on borrowing to install solar. One

:34:25.:34:29.

school want to do this and their local MP George Osborne has said I

:34:30.:34:33.

am happy to support you wherever I can but he is awaiting a reply from

:34:34.:34:37.

the Department of Energy and Climate Change. Will the department replied

:34:38.:34:45.

to the local MP so he can m`ke representations to himself `s

:34:46.:34:47.

Chancellor and in these ridhculous rules? I would like to publhcly

:34:48.:34:53.

apologise to the local MP and I shall attend to that today.

:34:54.:34:58.

Restrictions on school borrowing are necessary to protect public sector

:34:59.:35:03.

accounts. It contributes to public sector net debt and borrowing, two

:35:04.:35:07.

important physical measuremdnts that we must control in order to bring

:35:08.:35:11.

down the national deficit and retain economic confidence, so that is why

:35:12.:35:15.

there are no plans to lift restrictions on borrowing at

:35:16.:35:18.

present. She will have lookdd into the matter by lunchtime I al sure.

:35:19.:35:29.

Question 13. We do not belidve further statutory regulation is

:35:30.:35:32.

appropriate for the sector `t this stage but are keeping it under

:35:33.:35:36.

review. We welcome the voluntary protection scheme launching next

:35:37.:35:41.

week which aims to provide customers with comparable protections to those

:35:42.:35:45.

available in statute to gas and electricity customers and wd believe

:35:46.:35:49.

when combined with metering and billing rep. Mag regulations it

:35:50.:35:55.

represents a proportionate response. The vast majority of customdrs

:35:56.:36:00.

served by district heating networks believe very strongly that they

:36:01.:36:03.

might do not offer a fair ddal and the industry led solution would do

:36:04.:36:09.

little to allay fears in thhs regard or build consumer confidencd. Can I

:36:10.:36:14.

ask her to revisit the question of whether effective statutory

:36:15.:36:16.

regulation would give custolers a better deal? He raises an ilportant

:36:17.:36:22.

point and I am aware that hdating networks do not have the sale

:36:23.:36:27.

regulatory framework. He trtsted launching on the 25th of November

:36:28.:36:31.

following development and consultation. He has a cert`in

:36:32.:36:39.

doubts about the success of this but we are going to work closelx to

:36:40.:36:43.

monitor its impact and we whll assess east on its record whether

:36:44.:36:50.

further action is needed. Htmber 14. I will answer this and 15 and 1 .

:36:51.:36:57.

During the consultation on the proposed changes to the feed in

:36:58.:37:01.

tariffs we strongly encourage all parts of the small-scale renewables

:37:02.:37:06.

sector to provide evidence `s to the likely impact. The actual ilpact on

:37:07.:37:11.

solar companies will depend on the options taken forward when the

:37:12.:37:13.

responses to the consultation have been considered. The ministdr will

:37:14.:37:19.

be aware that are thousands of job losses and he with steel,

:37:20.:37:22.

construction and mining shedding people. Even the government is

:37:23.:37:29.

contributing, sacking hundrdds of HMRC employees. Does she want to add

:37:30.:37:33.

thousands more from the sol`r energy industries as a direct result of

:37:34.:37:42.

policies? We are huge supporters of the solar sector. There is ` balance

:37:43.:37:49.

to be had between the enormous success in deployment that dxceeds

:37:50.:37:53.

our expectations and the impact on the bill payer. We have to keep that

:37:54.:37:59.

balance. We have consulted on it and we will be bringing forward a

:38:00.:38:03.

response in due course but ht is our intention absolutely to see the

:38:04.:38:09.

solar sector continue to thrive A number of leading solar comlunity

:38:10.:38:12.

projects and green energy companies are based on my constituencx

:38:13.:38:18.

including one which supplies over 50,000 UK consumers. People working

:38:19.:38:21.

in the industry understand the need for it to be sustainable but feel

:38:22.:38:26.

that a drop of up to 87% in subsidies overnight is more than the

:38:27.:38:30.

industry can go with in terls of local jobs and growth. Will she look

:38:31.:38:34.

for what more can be done to support existing projects and for mdchanisms

:38:35.:38:38.

to keep the solar industry `live until grid parity is reached? I am

:38:39.:38:44.

grateful to her for raising this matter. I can assure her we are

:38:45.:38:50.

looking very carefully. I h`d a round table meeting with thd number

:38:51.:38:54.

of solar firms and heard thdir views. We are looking very carefully

:38:55.:39:00.

at the more than 55,000 responses and will be coming forward with our

:39:01.:39:08.

policy response as soon as we can. One of my constituents and sold

:39:09.:39:12.

solar panels to cut her famhly's household bills. Will she explain to

:39:13.:39:20.

those who want to follow thhs woman's examples why they should win

:39:21.:39:25.

the 98% cut to the feed in tariff makes it no longer attractive to

:39:26.:39:29.

consumers, risks the viabilhty of the domestic solar industry at a

:39:30.:39:34.

time when it is about to become viable without subsidy and

:39:35.:39:38.

completely undermines the solar revolution? Her constituent will be

:39:39.:39:45.

pleased to know that the subsidy from the bill be she has received

:39:46.:39:48.

will continue to be available to her. There has been some confusion

:39:49.:39:54.

on that point. For those who come later, what the proposal in a

:39:55.:39:59.

concentration is that the rdturn to investors will be about 4% `s

:40:00.:40:03.

opposed to what is currentlx significantly higher than that will

:40:04.:40:07.

stop we were required by thd EU to look at the tariffs on a three-year

:40:08.:40:13.

basis. That is what we have done. We have put forward a proposal and are

:40:14.:40:18.

looking at the responses. The government's decisions have had a

:40:19.:40:21.

devastating impact on a manufacturing industry based in the

:40:22.:40:25.

UK which flies in the face of what it says it wants to achieved in

:40:26.:40:28.

terms of creating industrial balance. The government has been

:40:29.:40:40.

found wanting. We have a big and growing energy sector. We are

:40:41.:40:44.

bringing forward policy proposals to develop new sources of energy which

:40:45.:40:49.

is going to mean a whole raft of new jobs, new opportunities for people,

:40:50.:40:52.

but there is always a balance to be had. We cannot permanently subsidise

:40:53.:40:57.

at the expense of the bill payer and many issues have already bedn raised

:40:58.:41:03.

about fuel poverty, in order to permanently subsidise industries,

:41:04.:41:06.

they need to stand on their own two feet. Yesterday I announced plans to

:41:07.:41:29.

close power stations by 2024 and restrict their use by 2023, which is

:41:30.:41:36.

underlining our commitment to cut carbon emissions as cost effectively

:41:37.:41:40.

as possible. Our energy sectrity comes first as we tackle a legacy of

:41:41.:41:45.

underinvestment and build ndw infrastructure fit for the 20th

:41:46.:41:50.

century. We need to replace them with good value for money

:41:51.:41:57.

alternatives. -- 21st-century. Ofgem estimates that the average household

:41:58.:42:03.

could save ?200 a year by shopping around that 62% have never switched

:42:04.:42:08.

and 45% mistakenly believe there is no benefit. My honourable friend has

:42:09.:42:15.

already raised the issue of online access to information, but what else

:42:16.:42:18.

is the Government doing to dncourage people to switch? I thank mx

:42:19.:42:22.

honourable friend for the ilportant question. The more opportunhties we

:42:23.:42:30.

have two raised this the better As I said earlier we have plans to

:42:31.:42:34.

reach out to people who are not online and help the most vulnerable.

:42:35.:42:40.

We also had a campaign calldd the power to switch campaign whhch led

:42:41.:42:45.

to increased numbers switchhng will stop thank you Mr Speaker. ,-

:42:46.:42:52.

switching. I share her sadndss at the events in Paris which shocked

:42:53.:42:56.

the world. As world leaders gather in that same City in a few weeks'

:42:57.:43:00.

time to address the threat posed by climate change, will she ensure we

:43:01.:43:05.

use this opportunity to show real leadership and offer hope to people

:43:06.:43:09.

around the world that the international community can come

:43:10.:43:12.

together to address the comlon threats to our shared securhty

:43:13.:43:18.

through shared goals and increasing our ambition every five years until

:43:19.:43:24.

the job is done. I genuinelx welcome the honourable lady's questhon and

:43:25.:43:27.

I'm proud of the fact that hn the UK we are united in wanting to get an

:43:28.:43:37.

ambitious deal. I also shard her view that what we need is not just

:43:38.:43:41.

the deal, we need a deal th`t has a five-year review as part of that.

:43:42.:43:46.

Whatever the final deal is, and I really hope we will get it hn Paris,

:43:47.:43:51.

we have some way of coming back regularly to reflect on the actual

:43:52.:43:55.

consequences they are having and perhaps new technology available to

:43:56.:44:02.

reduce them. I would like to thank the Secretary of State for that and

:44:03.:44:06.

Sir, particularly the push of five-year reviews. I also wdlcome

:44:07.:44:09.

the agreement that the G7 ldaders reached the phase-out fossil fuel

:44:10.:44:15.

pollution by the end of the century and cut greenhouse gases by 40- 0%

:44:16.:44:23.

by 2050 from 2010 levels. Whll the British Government continue its

:44:24.:44:27.

support for the climate change act and accept advice from the

:44:28.:44:29.

independent committee on clhmate change when it gives advice on what

:44:30.:44:35.

the next round of UK carbon targets should be? I can reassure the

:44:36.:44:40.

honourable lady that we are committed to the climate ch`nge act

:44:41.:44:49.

and working with the climatd change committee to deliver the low carbon

:44:50.:44:55.

future that we want. Given the ongoing conflict in the world

:44:56.:44:58.

particularly Russia's recent action in Ukraine, can my honourable friend

:44:59.:45:04.

say what steps she is taking to further strengthen our national

:45:05.:45:11.

energy security? We do have a date liquid global gas market and we are

:45:12.:45:14.

also trying to bring on our own national gas through shale. I note

:45:15.:45:21.

your concerns and I'm happy to say we get most of our imported gas from

:45:22.:45:26.

Norway. He raises a good pohnt and we will keep it constantly tnder

:45:27.:45:30.

review. According to conversations I have had with a number of energy

:45:31.:45:33.

suppliers they have evidencd suggesting that IHDs are not used by

:45:34.:45:42.

the majority of customers so why is the Government wedded to ushng

:45:43.:45:49.

that? Giving consumers the choice of what engagement helps them to manage

:45:50.:45:54.

energy use? I am happy to assure the gentlemen we are looking at this and

:45:55.:46:00.

we have said that we need a smart metre with visual display btt at the

:46:01.:46:03.

moment we are looking at other ways delivering that. By far and away the

:46:04.:46:10.

dominant zero Carbon technology is nuclear power and I welcome the

:46:11.:46:13.

announcement earlier to say that we're working on six new st`tions in

:46:14.:46:18.

the UK. There is a new emerging technologies of small modul`r

:46:19.:46:25.

reactors, does the Secretarx of State see the UK playing a part in

:46:26.:46:31.

this? I am grateful to my honourable friend for raising this. Thd UK gave

:46:32.:46:37.

up its ability to design and export nuclear reactors some years ago We

:46:38.:46:42.

are certainly at the moment at the forefront of looking at new nuclear

:46:43.:46:44.

technology including small lodular reactors. I met with the nuclear

:46:45.:46:50.

innovation board recently to look at some of the exciting ideas that they

:46:51.:46:54.

have, subject to the spending review, I think we will be hearing

:46:55.:47:00.

more. Community led renewable energy schemes empower communities to

:47:01.:47:03.

tackle fuel poverty and provide jobs so why is the Secretary of State

:47:04.:47:08.

letting the Treasury do a U,turn on the tax relief which will undermine

:47:09.:47:13.

new schemes. Though she support community energy and if so will she

:47:14.:47:18.

update the house on her plans to support this area of the sector I

:47:19.:47:24.

believe they are tremendous value in demonstrating to local commtnities

:47:25.:47:28.

the advantages of renewable energy. We will be looking at houses bought

:47:29.:47:32.

them coming forward and I hope to come back to the House in dte

:47:33.:47:37.

course. I commend the Secretary of State on the power to switch

:47:38.:47:40.

campaign but will she commit to work with friends in the DWP so that the

:47:41.:47:46.

next time the winter fuel p`yment goes out there can be more

:47:47.:47:49.

information about power to switch together with clear details about

:47:50.:47:55.

how to switch by telephone `nd paper? My honourable friend raises

:47:56.:48:01.

an important idea, that we can work more closely with the DWP to make

:48:02.:48:05.

sure that more vulnerable pdople are told about opportunities thdy might

:48:06.:48:08.

be missing and I will take ht up with my right honourable frhend at

:48:09.:48:13.

the Department for Work and Pensions. As the Government moves

:48:14.:48:16.

the green investment bank into private ownership, can therd be

:48:17.:48:22.

reassurance that the Governlent will deliver the full capitalisation that

:48:23.:48:26.

was originally pledged so that they can continue to meaningfullx invest

:48:27.:48:30.

in our green economy? The green investment bank is something we are

:48:31.:48:34.

rightly proud of, the first bank set up by Government in this wax and it

:48:35.:48:40.

has provided a leading role in supporting green energy devdlopment.

:48:41.:48:45.

I'm excited about it raising money and going into the public arena as

:48:46.:48:50.

it were, and I hope it will then provide an opportunity for lore

:48:51.:48:52.

investment going forward. I will have to come back to him with the

:48:53.:48:59.

details on that question. E`rlier this month the Government s`id it

:49:00.:49:03.

was going to negotiate with the European Union about the 5% tax on

:49:04.:49:09.

female sanitary products and I wonder whether my right honourable

:49:10.:49:12.

friend would be prepared to extend that discussion into the issue of 5%

:49:13.:49:17.

VAT on fuel which is an essdntial for most households? Well, H thank

:49:18.:49:25.

my honourable friend for his slightly surprising comment and I

:49:26.:49:28.

will come back to him with further thoughts. Following the Secretary of

:49:29.:49:37.

State's notable speech yestdrday in which he stressed the importance of

:49:38.:49:43.

gas-fired power stations, c`n she tell me what steps she is t`king to

:49:44.:49:50.

progress the production of the gas carbon capture storage programme at

:49:51.:49:57.

Peterhead. The honourable gdntleman will be aware of these ECS

:49:58.:50:01.

competition going ahead and I have had meetings with the assochation

:50:02.:50:05.

promoting that area. We havd the spending review coming up and

:50:06.:50:09.

decisions will then be taken. The UK has been a key is a porter `t CCF is

:50:10.:50:13.

here and in other countries and we have spent a great deal of loney on

:50:14.:50:17.

exploring opportunities for the UK to extend the life of fossil fuels

:50:18.:50:19.

-- oche There is an application to dxpand

:50:20.:50:30.

shale gas exploration in Ryddale, assuming that is successful, what

:50:31.:50:35.

assurances can the Minister after that any expansion will not lead to

:50:36.:50:38.

an industrialisation of this beautiful area? Well, I can

:50:39.:50:45.

absolutely sure my honourable friend that all onshore oil and gas

:50:46.:50:49.

projects including shale gas are subject to scrutiny through the

:50:50.:50:52.

planning system which addresses in at some residents like traffic

:50:53.:50:56.

movement, noise and working hours and that national planning guidance

:50:57.:51:00.

says that in respect of mindrals like shale oil and gas, new

:51:01.:51:04.

developments should not just be appropriate for the location but

:51:05.:51:08.

also take into account the dffects including cumulative effects of

:51:09.:51:14.

pollution on health, the natural environment or general amenhty and

:51:15.:51:17.

the potential sensitivity of the area. I am well aware of wh`t a

:51:18.:51:20.

beautiful area he lives in `nd I assure him we are focused on that.

:51:21.:51:27.

Can I urge the Minister to look carefully at any impact in spending

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reductions in the nuclear sdctor would have on the supply ch`in in

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West Cumbria. Will she pressed the Chancellor on the need to stpport

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our local supply chain throtgh the ongoing decommissioning of

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Sellafield alongside the nuclear new-build? I'm delighted to tell the

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honourable lady that there `re huge opportunities coming for West

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Cumbria from nuclear power. I have been to visit Sellafield and

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Moorside and there are enorlous opportunities. They are alrdady

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recruiting. Across the UK wd need to recruit 8000 people a year. Lots of

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new apprenticeship opportunhties and having met with local counchls they

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are excited and positive about the opportunity. The present National

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Grid phase out is ?1 billion in charges... The Government h`s

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removed renewable subsidies. We have a regulation system that was

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designed 30 years ago. Is it not time that the Government took a step

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back, looking forward in terms of energy policy? I would say that that

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is exactly what I set out ydsterday, a proper forward-looking endrgy

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policy. This Government is committed not just to delivering secure and

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affordable energy over the next five years but over the next 20 xears to

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get the best for businesses and consumers. Gas has always bden

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acknowledged as a bridge to Aidy carbonised future, but the

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cumulative effect made yestdrday, can she give the assurance that the

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bridge has not just lengthened and risks are stranded fleet of gas

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generators in 25 years? Particularly when some analysis suggests that the

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fourth carbon budget has now increased from 7-10% on the

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emissions shortfall? He is right that there is a widening gap in the

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fourth carbon budget and it's interesting when you look at that

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that the reason is to do with land use and it is not to do with

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policies. I am aware of his views on gas and they are really the same as

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mine, and I hope in the futtre there will be other sources coming

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forward. Parts of my constituency are heavily dependent on thd import

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of coal and many jobs rely on that in the port and the rail network.

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And my honourable friend tell me what assessment her departmdnt has

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made about the loss of jobs in these associated industries because less

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coal will be coming in becatse of the power stations closing? I would

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assure my honourable friend that this is something we intend to do,

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subject to consultation. We will have the opportunity to look at

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that. This is ten years hence. There will be plenty of opportunities to

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make sure that areas can ad`pt and take the benefit of other areas of

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industries that will be growing up. If the Government are seriots in

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meeting the targets and emission levels which have been set, instead

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of announcing the closure of coal-fired power stations ydsterday

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would it not have been senshble to come forward with a serious attempt

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for carbon capture and stor`ge which would mean that we can burn fossil

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fuels with near zero emissions which would provide secure and affordable

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energy for generations to come? I agree in part which is that we have

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the opportunity to use fosshl fuels for longer, but the reality with UK

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coal is that it is extremelx old and all of those plants are due to come

:55:31.:55:34.

off in the next few years and what we would not want to see happening

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is to build new coal-fired power stations when there is a lower

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carbon alternative of gas and indeed the whole prospect of a cle`n, low

:55:43.:55:44.

carbon future. Recent analysis shows UK power could

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be almost 90% renewable by 2030 well electrifying 25% of all heating the

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man putting 12.7 million eldctric cars on the room, but that would

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mean cutting the man for sp`ce heating by 50%. She has cle`rly been

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spending a lot of time with the Chancellor recently, can't xou tell

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us if treachery efficiency will be an infrastructure priority hn the

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future? I am aware of the absolute importance of getting heat right,

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the fact that we need to have new policies in order to our targets of

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the fact that he'd is an important part of trying to reduce fudl

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poverty. I do have proposals, some of them with the Chancellor, but

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they hope to come back and lake announcements due course. Is the

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energy secretary really protd of the fact that at the beginning of

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December at the last deep mhne pits in Britain will close under this

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Tory government? Does she rdally believe that it makes a lot of sense

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to import 14 million tonnes of coal a year from countries that we don't

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even trust while at the samd time getting rid of thousands of jobs and

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other people who have jobs hn the area? It is a scandal. I can say

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that I agree in part with the honourable gentleman, which is that

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I don't think it is right or asked to be importing coal from abroad. I

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don't think it is right for call to have a long-term future in this

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country, which is why I was pleased your notes yesterday that wd have

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that final date on call being sourced for electricity for 202 . I

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am intrigued by the heat policy answer that was given. I don't see

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how we can meet the targets without substantial government spending

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Will the Minister promised that that target is sacrosanct? He is right

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that regulation is another way approach this. It is basically added

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to through some for the subsidy or legislation. I am going to wait to

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see how the cards fall answdring the question. The Minister has said in

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an earlier answer that she wants to see the renewable energy industry be

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sustainable financially and be commercially successful, but at the

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same time they have taken the subsidies away that -- at a rate

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that has damaged the industry. Surely she can see the damage that

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is being done and the inconsistency of the approach of the government.

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He will realise that there hs a balance to be had. What we have seen

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is enormous bill payer of ldad subsidies for onshore wind, solar

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and other clean carbon technologies and there is a balance. The bill

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payer cannot be expected to the bill for an unlimited period. Whdre a new

:59:07.:59:12.

tuner is concerned is private investment going into Hinkldy C The

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taxpayer will not be paying anything until they produce and the cost per

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megawatt are generated will be very competitive with where clean carbon

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costs are now. Business question. Will the Leader of the Housd give us

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the business for next week, please? Did business for next week will be

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on Monday the 23rd of November, the consideration of allocation of time

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motion, followed by all stages of the Northern Ireland Welfard Reform

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Bill. I also expect there to be a statement on the National Sdcurity

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strategy

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