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As we come to the childcare bill, I have to remind the house that Mr

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Speaker has certified clauses two, four, and six of the childcare bill

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Lords understanding order number 83 J in relation to England. I further

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remind the house this does not affect proceedings in the debate on

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second reading or in committee or at report stage. After report stage, Mr

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Speaker will consider the bill again for certification and if acquired

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the legislative grants committee will be asked to consent to

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certified provisions. The clerk will now proceed to read the orders of

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the day. Childcare bill Lords, second reading. Secretary of State,

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Nicky Morgan. Madam Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the bill be now read a

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second time, I am delighted to be opening the second reading debate of

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the childcare bill. At the general election, the prime minister

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promised a Conservative government would give working parents of three

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and four-year-olds 30 hours of free childcare week. We put the early

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years at the heart of the manifesto because we know how important these

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years are for children's school readiness and future educational

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success. We also know that working families struggle to find flexible

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affordable and high-quality childcare. For many parents, the

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challenge is the biggest barrier to work. I am determined and this

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government is determined to deliver these measures which will give

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children the best start in life, support parents to work, and as a

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result allow our economy and society to prosper. We brought forward this

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bill so we can give working parents the extra 15 hours free childcare in

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addition to the current 15 hours of free early education for all three

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and four-year-olds. The 30 hours that will give hard-working parents

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a real choice to earn more by going to work core working more hours if

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they want to do so. We have not wasted any time on delivering on

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this commitment. Just one month after the election we introduced

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legislation to the other place and launched a review into the cost of

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providing childcare, something providers had long been calling for

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to inform a fair and sustainable funding rate. I thank her for giving

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way. She rightly says she wants to make sure her measures are

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delivering for all children, how will she make sure that this bill

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delivers for disabled children in terms of their access to childcare

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which can be so important for helping parents who want to go back

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to work? I thank her for that question, she raises an important

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point. We want local authorities to ensure they provide places for all

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children, those with disabilities and those without. Of course the

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fact this childcare bill and 15 hours additional is part of a

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package of childcare measures being introduced by this government. The

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Chancellor has taught today about the fact we are spending over ?1

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billion more on child care every year over the rest of the

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parliament. So, we will be conducting early years funding

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formula reviews and we want to understand how providers cater for

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children with disabilities and special needs as part of that. I

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also point out that the tax-free childcare proposals mean the maximum

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amount parents can pay into the childcare counts is doubled and they

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can use the money for children with disabilities up to age 18. I hope

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she agrees we are offering a comprehensive package of childcare

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support for all children and families.

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I am very grateful for what the Secretary of State has said. Can she

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reassured nursery providers in my constituency that there will be a

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fairer funding formula? We have heard that a few moments ago, but

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for childcare providers, this is important. I am delighted to hear

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about the work of the nursery my honourable friend talks about. The

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national funding formula review will apply not only to schools but also

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to early years, and it will include the high needs block of funding as

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well. Could I ask my right honourable friend, it is good that

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this doubling of hours for childcare is happening. How will we ensure

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that the quality of the childcare that our children will receive will

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be doubled up? How will we ensure that there will be sufficient

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places, and of the right quality? He raises an important point. We are

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doubling the entitlement, and we know that the sector has already

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responded, with the introduction of free places for two-year roles, for

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the most disadvantaged. The sector responded by creating an extra

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230,000 places in the last Parliament. Coming on to talk about

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how families will respond to this entitlement, and how they will use

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both -- those additional hours. We know there is capacity in the

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system. I wonder if the right honourable lady could correct me if

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I am wrong, which is the maximum amount of money in this statement

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will be ?5,000 per child. If it is term time only, it is 1140 hours. In

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my constituency, where costs are ?9 an hour, the amount per hour is not

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going to be sufficient. I will come on to talk about hourly rate. Of

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course, as part of the funding formula review, we want to make sure

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that as much money is going to the front line as possible. Providers

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are already working with them. The Secretary of State is right to talk

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about the fairer funding formula, which is vital for nurseries. What

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measures is she putting in place to guarantee that local authorities

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will pass on all this extra funding to the nursery providers and not top

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slice it? Honourable gentleman is right. We want to see as much money

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going to the front line as possible, and that will be one of the

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questions we will be asking as part of the funding formula review. I

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will make some progress. I want to talk about rates. The honourable

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lady opposite is on the record of saying that she is pleased to see

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that the government is offering more support for early years and would

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like to see our policies turned into reality. Today she has the chance to

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demonstrate her support by supporting this bill tonight, and it

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looks like she is going to be doing that. I welcome the support of the

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party opposite. There were questions party opposite. There were questions

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raised in the other place about why this bill was introduced so early.

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Why would we wait? It is clear from the interest of members today how

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successful and import of the existing 15 hours offer is in

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supporting better outcomes for children. The latest OECD study

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reminds us that the UK is one of 13 OECD countries in which more than 9%

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of children aged three -- more than a high percentage of children are

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involved in early years education. Free childcare is something that

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many parents want. We know that this is what parents want because we have

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listened to them. My Department consulted with nearly 20,000 members

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of the public and 750 employers. Those who took part told us they

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wanted more than 30 hours of free childcare. I heard this myself on

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the visit to Royals Royce -- Rolls Royce. Employees talked to us about

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childcare decisions and what they are looking for with the entitlement

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of 30 hours of free childcare. I would like to thank them for sharing

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their views. They want more flexibility and choice in how they

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can access childcare. I want to ensure there is high quality and

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affordable childcare available to those parents, to reduce pressure on

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household budgets and ensure they are better to plan for their future.

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I am confident we have a child care sector that will deliver. The

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childcare market is flourishing and has grown by 230,000 places since

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2009. Would my right honourable friend agree that the 130 inch

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childminders who create hundreds of places in Portsmouth make a big

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difference to the quality of childcare, and will there be

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measures put in place to support them, with administration in

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particular? Childcare I childminders is very much part of the respond.

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They are popular and flexible, and one of the things we have done in

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the course of the last Parliament is offered the childcare business

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support grants, which allows people to set up in business as

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childminders, often women, often setting up in business for the first

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time. We welcome their contribution to this market. Providers have

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demonstrated what they can do with nearly 60% of eligible children

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accessing a place at the beginning of this year. Now we will increase

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our overall investment in the childcare sector, and set an

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increased funding rate, which will enable providers to deliver the

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care. The Chancellor of the care has just set out in his Autumn

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Statement, and could not have demonstrated more clearly the

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government's commitment to childcare. We have invested billions

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of pounds to supporting parents with childcare. This government will go

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even further, and invest a record amount in childcare. We will provide

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more support than any other government in history, including tax

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free childcare being rolled out for 2017, and more support for families

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on Universal Credit. Working families will be entitled to receive

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an unprecedented increase in childcare support, saving up to

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?5,000 per child per year for working families. We will be

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investing more than ?1 billion a year to fund our manifesto pledge

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for 30 hours of childcare for working parents of three and

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four-year-olds. We were the only party at the general election to

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commit to raising the average funding rate paid to providers.

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Today we are confirming we will do so. I will just make some progress.

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The increase in funding includes nearly ?300 million for a

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significant uplift to the rate paid with two, three and four-year-olds

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entitlements. This will introduce a new rate paid to providers, which

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will increase by 30p an hour. ?4 88 is the amount for three and

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four-year-olds, and ?5 39 is the rate for two. We have set a rate of

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funding that providers need to deliver high-quality childcare, and

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delivering good value to the taxpayer. We will consult on a

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package of reforms to improve efficiency in the sector. I can

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confirm that the early years agreement will not change, it is

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worth ?20 million in 2015-16, helping to ensure that three and

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four-year-old from disadvantaged families have the best start in

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life. The increase in funding is supported by the robust review into

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childcare carried out in the last six months. That review is being

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published today. I would like to thank those who responded to the

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call for evidence as part of that review, and those who attended

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discussions. The participation engagement for organisations

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including the Independent schools Council and other key partners meant

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we could fully understand the concerns and arguments around the

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funding of the entitlement. We are committed to ensuring funding is

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allocated in the fairest way. Next year, we will consult on an early

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years national funding formula which will give due consideration to

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disadvantaged children, and special needs funding for the early years. I

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remain genuinely confused by this. I hear the words fairer funding

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review, but does that mean that in Islington, where the rate is ?9 40

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per hour, will money be taken from other barriers to pay for the

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childcare within Islington? Less than ?4 50 an hour is not going to

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pay for the amount childcare costs in Islington. These are not my

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figures. I suggest that the honourable lady looks at the copy of

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the review which is being published as I speak. The ?9 an hour figure

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isn't one that we recognise. It has not been made clear to us during the

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course of the review. The average rate is going to go up to ?4 88 for

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three and four-year-olds, and ?5 99 for two-year-olds. We are confident

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that that amount of money will be able to increase and provide

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high-quality childcare for children in Islington or elsewhere. The

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honourable lady asked about the funding formula review. That is

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about making sure that as much money goes to the front line as possible.

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I hope she has also had a conversation with Islington council

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to make sure that they are passing on and providing sufficient places

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that are needed for childcare, and pass on as much of the money as they

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can. We have talked about top slicing earlier. Front line

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providers need to get the money that we are providing. The statistics

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that I am quoting, the ?9 50, is the daycare trust numbers. The Secretary

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of State must be aware that there are boroughs where the prices are

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much more than ?4 50 an hour, and they simply will not be able to

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provide childcare, given the amount of money that is being provided

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today. It is the bill is going to enter committee, and there will be

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debates on this. The evidence -based review does not support the figure

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that she has talked about. She might be talking about the additional rate

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that some providers will charge, not for the free entitlement. We are

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talking about the free and title and, the hundreds of millions of

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pounds that this government is going to spend of hard earned tax payers

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money to ensure that families get the support for childcare that they

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need. On the note about councils siphoning off a bit of the money,

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that happens in Wiltshire, and I welcome that we will prevent that.

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What measures will be put in place regarding that in the future? Part

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of the reason for having the funding formula review, and this is part of

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a wider review for school funding as well, is to make sure that we talked

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to local authorities and others receiving the money to find out the

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best way. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to ensure maximum

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transparency, so people know how much money is given by the

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government, how much the local authorities are receiving, and how

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much is being passed on. It will be very clear to businesses, families,

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and those potentially paying additional costs. We need to have

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that review and make sure we get contributions across the country. I

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will give way for the last time. She has been very generous. Could she

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confirmed that this additional money is going to be ring-fenced? I am a

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bit uncertain about that. I assumed the money would be ring-fenced

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specifically to go to nursery providers. The money for childcare

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providers is paid to the local authorities. This money is paid for

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the provision of childcare. It goes back to the point I have been making

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about transparency, and needing to know how much of that money is being

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spent, and how much is reaching the front line. We could be talking

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about childcare providers, but also schools. Let me turn to the funding

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review clause, which was added to the bill in the other place. Now

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that we have carried out a substantial funding review, we want

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to get on with implementing this free entitlement. The first clause

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in this bill was to establish an independent funding review before

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the bill comes into force. This will put that early implementation at

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risk. Labour peers were willing to deliberately delay these important

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measures by asking for a further funding review.

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They maybe feeling embarrassed as the Chancellor has debunched all

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their -- debunked all that you are scaremongering about funding. She

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has the opportunity to redeem herself, back this bill and help us

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to over turn the amendments which seek to delay this. If she does not,

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I do not think that working parents will look kindly on her attempts to

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delay their access to more free child care. The Government delivers

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on its promises. This gives 30 hours of free child care. Local

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authorities deliver the first 15 hours of free education for three

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and four-year-olds with a take up rate of 96%. While the bill places

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the duty to secure free child care on the the Secretary of State, I

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will discharge it through English local authorities. This Government

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is committed to working with local authorities, as we develop the

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delivery of the programme, through early implementation stage and

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beyond into the full roll out of the system from September 2017. We have

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been work with the local authority government association and I would

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like to thank them for the work they have done with us and for their

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co-operation. Around 1800 local authorities and providers have

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registered their interest to take part in the early pilots. There are

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huge opportunities to test capacity, flexibility and innovation and make

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sure all eligible children, including those with special

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educational needs are able to access the 30 hours offer. As part of early

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implementation, we want to encourage innovative approaches for work

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parents whose children are disabled. Early years providers should be able

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to meet the needs of all children in their care. In the last Parliament

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we delivered the most significant reforms for 30 years, putting early

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identification integration at its heart. We are committed to continue

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making a difference to families through early years provision. We

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encourage providers to offer the hours at the times for working

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families and those work outside 9 to 5. The Government recognises that

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the need for child care does not end when a child starts school. So we

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are giving more working parents something that the best schools

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already done. We will give parents the right to request child care in

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the form of breakfast and after school clubs and holiday care at

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their child's school. I welcome the news about before and after school

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club. I wonder if she will guarantee that parents will be able to access

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those places. I have recently lost all my breakfast club facilities for

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both my children and was offered only one morning a week on two

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separate weeks for my children. I wonder if she can guarantee parents

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like me that I will be able to get that? The honourable lady has set

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out the problem that we are trying to solve and the - she and other

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parents will be able to ask to contact the governing body. There is

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need for the school to make the school available for before and

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after school actics -- activities. That also extends to having

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provision during the school holidays, that is another time when

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it is difficult for working parents to juggle their parental

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responsibilities and work. And the child free tax care, I don't know

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the age of the honourable lady's children. That would extend up to

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the age of 12 and could pay into the account and the Government would top

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up that up to ?2,000 a year and she could use that for provision. In my

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experience, when schools and others realise there is a parental demand

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that actually they do want to respond to that, they know that is

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something parents want. It is a great delight to see more Labour

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policy implemented by the Government. Can she confirm this

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afternoon when she talks about the provisions that schools can make

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that she has allowed the Chancellor to deliver a ?6 hundred million cut

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to academies budgets. First, I should the honourable gentleman

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should be pleased that we are actually, this party, on the side of

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working people. He will know his own front bench are not. If he would

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like to join us he would be welcome. His party when he was the shadow

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education Secretary did not commit to increasing the funding for early

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years in the way we have done. We can have a wider debate about the

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schools budget. That is not the subject for debate today. But we are

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not only committed to protecting the schools budget in real terms, by the

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end of the Parliament the resource budget will be higher than it was at

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the start, something that the honourable gentleman's policies

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would never have delivered. I'm going to move on for the last time.

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I will stifbg to the money -- stick to the money. When this side was

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promising 25 hours a week term time only, I as understand it the

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minister at the time said it would cost ?1.6 billion. Isn't the problem

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the honourable lady has is she is missing a billion pounds and can't

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cover child care at the cost it is rally going to cost? Yet again I

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don't agree with the honourable lady's figures. The point is she is

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Mickist missing the additional help that we are also giving to families

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through tax free child care and universal credit, which net each

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other off and of course she has already I think she needs to do and

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look at funding review and she will see the response from those working

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in the sector as to the rate they have been asking for and the reason

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why the figures have been arrived at today, which I have just mentioned

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which are an increase as well. She also should take note of the fact

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that we are going to be spending a billion more on child care each year

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in the course of Parliament. I want to make progress. Now, let me turn

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to eligibility for this child care package. One of the key messages

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from parents was a desire for a simpler system. We confirmed in the

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other place that eligibility for the 30 hour entitlement will align with

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tax free child care. As the Chancellor set out, parents will be

:26:45.:26:54.

able to access the 30 hour titlement if they work 16 a week. Including

:26:55.:27:01.

those who are self employed. In the case of lone parents, the same

:27:02.:27:06.

threshold will apply and this makes is a significant offer and anyone

:27:07.:27:11.

earning more than ?107 a week at the minimum wage will be eligible. As

:27:12.:27:20.

many parents will enbit fit, it makes sense that parents can apply

:27:21.:27:27.

for both schemes. This will provide a simple way to access both seems,

:27:28.:27:34.

saving parents and providers time. Families are complex and different

:27:35.:27:37.

circumstances need to be taken into account. The free hours will be

:27:38.:27:44.

available where both parents are employed, but one or both are away

:27:45.:27:50.

from the home place. This will ensure continuity and limit

:27:51.:27:52.

disruption for children and providers. The additional free hours

:27:53.:27:57.

will be available where one parent is employed, but the other has

:27:58.:28:00.

substantial caring responsibilities or one parent is disabled. While we

:28:01.:28:04.

are making a commitment to investing in the early years, we are doing so

:28:05.:28:10.

when we are facing difficult seditions -- decisions. At the

:28:11.:28:12.

centre has been the belief that it is right for those with the broadest

:28:13.:28:17.

shoulders to bear the greatest burden and we intend to introduce an

:28:18.:28:23.

income cap where parents who earn more than ?100,000 will not be able

:28:24.:28:28.

to access the additional entitlement. We want parents to make

:28:29.:28:32.

informed choices and it is vital that parents have easy access to

:28:33.:28:40.

information about the child care that is available. So through the

:28:41.:28:43.

bill we have introduced a requirement on local authorities to

:28:44.:28:46.

publish information and advice for parents on child care in their area.

:28:47.:28:56.

Child care's digital app which allows parents to search for free

:28:57.:28:59.

child care will make it easier for parents to find out about high

:29:00.:29:02.

quality and flexible child care places. So parents can access the

:29:03.:29:08.

information they need to find the care that is right for their child.

:29:09.:29:13.

The message and the measures in this bill are clear. The Conservative

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Party is the party of working people. And this Government is on

:29:18.:29:22.

the side of working parents. Through passage of bill we will fulfil our

:29:23.:29:27.

pledge to do more to ease the pressure on working families, by

:29:28.:29:30.

supporting them with the cost of child care. We are pushing forward

:29:31.:29:34.

legislation to get them that support quickly and it should be supported

:29:35.:29:38.

from all sides of the chamber. I look forward to listening to

:29:39.:29:41.

contributions from members of the House and I believe that the

:29:42.:29:47.

principles behind the bill are ones that everyone will support. The

:29:48.:29:51.

under-Secretary and I look forward to working with all members on this

:29:52.:29:57.

bill. The question is that the bill be read a second time. Lucy Powell.

:29:58.:30:09.

I rise to support this bill at second reading. On this side of the

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House we have a proud record on child care and enabling work to

:30:15.:30:18.

return to work. We introduced free child care for three and

:30:19.:30:22.

four-year-olds and delivered the first and only child care strategy

:30:23.:30:28.

across Government and created sure start centres, expanding nurseries

:30:29.:30:31.

and more than doubled child care places. We increased maternity leave

:30:32.:30:39.

from 12 weeks to 12 months and increased maternity pay and

:30:40.:30:46.

introduced the right to request flexible working and gave help with

:30:47.:30:52.

child care. Child care was a free part of our plans to support

:30:53.:30:57.

families. We welcome any investment in child care. I am pleased the

:30:58.:31:03.

government now accept that supply side funding is a more effective way

:31:04.:31:07.

of helping parents with the cost of child care and controlling prices

:31:08.:31:10.

and increasing quality. Something that I have long argued for. But for

:31:11.:31:17.

all ther trumpeted of Government achievements, their record tells a

:31:18.:31:21.

different story. Financial support for child care for most families

:31:22.:31:24.

fell in the last Parliament. In that time child care costs rocketed by a

:31:25.:31:32.

third. Up over ?1,500 since 2010. The pre-election promise of tax free

:31:33.:31:37.

child care remains undelivered and early years places have fallen by

:31:38.:31:42.

40,000 since 2009. The two-year-old offer while a good poll

:31:43.:31:47.

circumstances remains undersubscribed and sure start

:31:48.:31:50.

centres have gone to wall in many areas. Even the Prime Minister

:31:51.:31:55.

disagrees with his own Government's record on sure start. I welcome the

:31:56.:32:02.

U-turn on tax credits, but cuts have hit families hard. The story of the

:32:03.:32:07.

last Parliament is one of reducing support for working family, child

:32:08.:32:13.

care costs going up and the gender gap remaining stuck for the first

:32:14.:32:22.

time in 15 years. She mentioned cuts to child tax credit. Does she accept

:32:23.:32:29.

it is unfair and unjust for nine out of ten families, even members of

:32:30.:32:33.

Parliament to be eligible for child tax benefits. Well most families

:32:34.:32:38.

under their plans will be eligible for support with child care, so the

:32:39.:32:43.

point being if I may say that the Government took away many of the

:32:44.:32:50.

support that many families relied on, financial support are now

:32:51.:32:54.

reintroducing it by different means. Today's claim of significant

:32:55.:32:58.

resource for child care belie the reality. Famy were promised tax free

:32:59.:33:06.

child care, but it is going to be another two years behind schedule

:33:07.:33:09.

and the three and four-year-old entitlement, which is due in autumn

:33:10.:33:14.

2017 still has funding question marks as we have heard from speakers

:33:15.:33:20.

today. So any parent at the last election with a two, three, or

:33:21.:33:26.

four-year-old might have expected to receive additional support. Yet none

:33:27.:33:30.

of families will receive an extra penny. As their children will have

:33:31.:33:35.

passed the eligibility ages by the time the policies are introduced.

:33:36.:33:40.

Child care is vital to our future success for two reasons. Firstly, a

:33:41.:33:46.

growing economy, through enabling parents to work and secondly to

:33:47.:33:52.

close the developmental gap preschool, critical to educational

:33:53.:33:56.

achievement. High quality, flexible child care is critical for the

:33:57.:34:00.

economy. We have made great strides in the last 20 years, but important

:34:01.:34:05.

policy challenges remain. On maternal employment rates,

:34:06.:34:07.

particularly for mothers with children aged between one and four,

:34:08.:34:14.

are poor come peered with other OECD countries. Over a third of mothers

:34:15.:34:19.

who want to work are unable to do, because of child care costs and two

:34:20.:34:23.

thirds of mothers would like to work more hours but are unable to do so,

:34:24.:34:27.

because of unaffordable child care bills. This is particularly true for

:34:28.:34:31.

second earners as the resolution foundation and the IPPR have

:34:32.:34:33.

illustrated. Once you hit the age of 40, the pay

:34:34.:34:54.

gap can be stark. Pressures on family budgets have increased.

:34:55.:34:58.

Single earner households are now more likely to be in poverty. So to

:34:59.:35:04.

boost our economy and give families the chance of a decent job and

:35:05.:35:09.

income, childcare investment is essential. But high-quality

:35:10.:35:14.

childcare is essential to. We know that many of the most disadvantaged

:35:15.:35:19.

five-year-old start school 18 months behind their peers. Wood quality

:35:20.:35:24.

childcare can close this gap and give children a good foundation for

:35:25.:35:30.

school and later life. Sometimes, these two aims of economic output

:35:31.:35:36.

and early education require different solutions. Sometimes,

:35:37.:35:40.

seeking to improve one element can come at the expense of the other. So

:35:41.:35:46.

providing support like extra free hours is a good way of delivering

:35:47.:35:50.

both. Tax-free childcare is designed to put cash in parents pockets, and

:35:51.:35:56.

does not contain levers to deliver quality or control prices. The

:35:57.:36:02.

two-year-old offer aims to reduce inequalities. The extension of the

:36:03.:36:10.

15 hour offer to 30 hours should be about delivering both objectives,

:36:11.:36:13.

but this requires quality and funding. We support this bill, but

:36:14.:36:22.

there are a number of challenges with government's plans, and it is

:36:23.:36:27.

right that we scrutinise them. This childcare policy needs to be

:36:28.:36:31.

considered in the context of the totality of childcare support, which

:36:32.:36:37.

is complex. Overall, support has fallen for families while costs have

:36:38.:36:41.

gone up. Any measures like this should be robust we analysed for the

:36:42.:36:47.

impact on the market in which they operate, including the impact on

:36:48.:36:55.

price, places and quality. Put simply, high-quality, affordable

:36:56.:36:59.

childcare is not cheap. Attempts by government to cut corners will

:37:00.:37:03.

ultimately fail. At the heart of this bill is a serious funding gap,

:37:04.:37:08.

and today's announcements only go some way to answering these.

:37:09.:37:16.

Previously, the bill lacked substance and clarity about funding.

:37:17.:37:21.

When ministers first announced the offer, they said it would cost ?350

:37:22.:37:28.

million. This figure was pie in the sky, and has been revised recently

:37:29.:37:35.

to ?640 million. However, a ?1 billion funding gap has been

:37:36.:37:43.

identified in the plans. We welcome today's announcement, which shows

:37:44.:37:48.

the government understands there is a funding shortfall. However, we

:37:49.:37:52.

will have to interrogate this further as the bill proceeds. The

:37:53.:37:58.

raid still remains below the true cost of childcare. The switching of

:37:59.:38:04.

money from reducing those who are entitled to the extra support to

:38:05.:38:10.

provide funds for the three and 4-year-old offer is a switch spend,

:38:11.:38:15.

and still leaves a shortfall. Families where one parent works

:38:16.:38:22.

around 15 hours a week will rightly be disappointed that they are no

:38:23.:38:26.

longer eligible for this support. She is right to reduce the

:38:27.:38:31.

entitlement at the top end of the salary scale to ?100,000 per

:38:32.:38:37.

parents, but Shannon -- can she clarify how this funding will be

:38:38.:38:44.

allocated? The government's failure to adequately fund the free offer

:38:45.:38:48.

could have far reaching implications to the childcare market. There has

:38:49.:38:52.

been a review which the honourable lady will not have had the

:38:53.:38:57.

opportunity to see yet. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has

:38:58.:39:01.

announced, and the Secretary of State has identified, that there

:39:02.:39:05.

will be a cap. The CD as she identifies must be out of date,

:39:06.:39:08.

because they do not take into account the review. The figures.

:39:09.:39:23.

With... Nor has she seen it, with respect. She misunderstands the

:39:24.:39:28.

nature of the market. The hourly rate which is paid to nurseries by

:39:29.:39:33.

the local authorities is not a cap on the cost of childcare, it is a

:39:34.:39:38.

cap on the amount the nursery can claim. The true cost of the

:39:39.:39:42.

childcare is significantly more in places like Islington. The true cost

:39:43.:39:47.

of that childcare can often be as high as ?9 per hour. In nurseries in

:39:48.:39:55.

my own constituency it can be considerably higher than the hourly

:39:56.:40:01.

rate. What happens is, the private providers cross subsidise from the

:40:02.:40:04.

free offer that they then offered to parents with paying out was that

:40:05.:40:09.

other parents pay for. She might look puzzled. I know a considerable

:40:10.:40:15.

amount about this subject, having been the shadow childcare response

:40:16.:40:23.

person for two years. There are major problems with the childcare

:40:24.:40:27.

market, even if you increase the hourly rate by 30p, and even if you

:40:28.:40:35.

use the early years pupil premium to cross subsidise, taking money from

:40:36.:40:42.

elsewhere. I thank the honourable member for giving way. The cost of

:40:43.:40:47.

childcare review, undertaken by the Department over six months, had 2000

:40:48.:40:52.

responses, including from all the sector representatives. The hourly

:40:53.:40:58.

rates that have been announced today reflect the data that was given us

:40:59.:41:02.

by the sector, including the profit and loss accounts of actual

:41:03.:41:07.

providers. I would encourage her to look at that. Of course I will look

:41:08.:41:12.

at it, and perhaps next time we are having a second reading of a debate

:41:13.:41:16.

where funding is so critical, ministers opposite might care to let

:41:17.:41:21.

the opposite front edges have sight of that information before we

:41:22.:41:25.

embark. There still remain key issues here about the ability of the

:41:26.:41:34.

vast majority of providers in this sector to deliver these free hours,

:41:35.:41:38.

notwithstanding the challenges that remain for support. Reference has

:41:39.:41:45.

been made to the cost of childcare review, which we have been told that

:41:46.:41:52.

6000 people have put into it. It is yet to be found in the library,

:41:53.:41:55.

because there are people looking for it. It is online but it is taking a

:41:56.:42:01.

certain amount of time to print off. So we have not been able to look at

:42:02.:42:04.

it in advance of the debate, or during it. It really is a farce

:42:05.:42:12.

having this second reading now. I do agree with the honourable lady. She

:42:13.:42:18.

makes a very good point. It doesn't get away from the fact that the

:42:19.:42:24.

overall cost of this policy has a considerable funding shortfall. This

:42:25.:42:34.

is regardless of the hourly rate. I beg your pardon, the Minister

:42:35.:42:39.

himself said, when the Labour Party announced, before the last

:42:40.:42:43.

election, that we were seeking to increase the number of free hours

:42:44.:42:48.

from 15 to 25 hours, the then Minister for childcare said that

:42:49.:42:56.

policy would cost one point ?2 billion. -- ?1.2 billion. That is

:42:57.:43:02.

greater than the amount that the same government has put forward for

:43:03.:43:06.

an additional five hours a week of funding. There are big funding gaps

:43:07.:43:11.

that the government still has to to answer, regardless of the hourly

:43:12.:43:18.

rate being paid. House of Commons library analysis has shown that

:43:19.:43:24.

there are over 44,000 fewer early year childcare places today than

:43:25.:43:29.

there were in 2009. Six in ten local authorities tell us they do not have

:43:30.:43:34.

adequate supply of childcare for local parents. There is a downward

:43:35.:43:38.

trend in childcare places which should cause concern. Private and

:43:39.:43:44.

voluntary providers make up the vast majority of childcare places in

:43:45.:43:49.

England. If there is not adequate resource for these nurseries, they

:43:50.:43:54.

will simply not offer these free hours. I welcome the increase in the

:43:55.:43:58.

hourly rate, but questions remain about how the places will be

:43:59.:44:03.

provided, and without an increase in supply, costs will continue to rise

:44:04.:44:08.

for parents. Parents will also be very concerned that the quality of

:44:09.:44:12.

childcare could be damaged by the failure of the government to

:44:13.:44:16.

adequately support their proposals. There is a wealth of evidence, from

:44:17.:44:22.

the education select committee and Ofsted, that identifies the strong

:44:23.:44:26.

links between outstanding provision and the best qualified staff. For

:44:27.:44:32.

childcare is worse than no childcare, and can be detrimental to

:44:33.:44:37.

development. Unless the government has answers on adequate funding, the

:44:38.:44:42.

result will be a fall in quality provision. Can she give an assurance

:44:43.:44:48.

today that they need these proposals there are no plans to reduce

:44:49.:44:53.

quality, increase ratios or lower requirements for those who can offer

:44:54.:44:59.

the free entitlement? Insufficient funds and poor delivery could have

:45:00.:45:03.

the opposite effect the government wants, and lead to fewer places,

:45:04.:45:08.

poorer quality and higher cost for parents. The government has ample

:45:09.:45:12.

time to address these concerns before their policy is due to be

:45:13.:45:18.

introduced in autumn 2017. We want to work with ministers to ensure

:45:19.:45:22.

their plans are credible and affordable. Part of the problem is

:45:23.:45:26.

the government has no clear strategy for trials care. I hope she will

:45:27.:45:31.

reflect on this and come back to the house in due course with an

:45:32.:45:36.

overarching childcare strategy. Would the minister like to

:45:37.:45:42.

intervene? No. Happy for him to come forward and say he has a childcare

:45:43.:45:48.

strategy! We will continue to support the progression of this bill

:45:49.:45:54.

through parliament, but it is the secretary's responsibility to

:45:55.:45:56.

satisfy this house, the other place and parents that this plan for

:45:57.:46:03.

childcare is deliverable, sustainable and affordable. She must

:46:04.:46:07.

set out her funding plans and reassure us through the passage of

:46:08.:46:11.

this bill. There are other questions, such as who will be

:46:12.:46:17.

liable to prove that parents are working, and sufficient hours, and

:46:18.:46:21.

how disabled children will be supported? I want this policy to

:46:22.:46:25.

work. I wanted to be a success, and I want it to have real meaning for

:46:26.:46:31.

parents, and to ensure that children are supported in having a great

:46:32.:46:36.

start in life. I look forward to working with her on this, and I

:46:37.:46:39.

recommend that we support this bill this evening. Thank you, Madam

:46:40.:46:46.

Deputy Speaker. Childcare is not a political football, and I really

:46:47.:46:48.

hope that the honourable lady sitting on the front edge opposite

:46:49.:46:56.

is not choosing to make it that. For my constituents, we want to make

:46:57.:47:01.

sure there is consistency in the way childcare is approached in the

:47:02.:47:05.

future, which goes for our constituents and their children, and

:47:06.:47:11.

providers of childcare as well. I think that are some important

:47:12.:47:15.

differences between the two front benches, and it is important to

:47:16.:47:20.

recognise that. I believe that the a conservative to government is

:47:21.:47:26.

showing a real understanding of the role of childcare and that it is

:47:27.:47:33.

vital for working parents. There has been a real quiet revolution

:47:34.:47:38.

happening in our workplace since the country has been recovering from the

:47:39.:47:43.

recession, with more women in work than ever before, including in this

:47:44.:47:49.

place. It is important to recognise this difference in approach, and

:47:50.:47:53.

particularly that the Prime Minister, throughout the previous

:47:54.:47:58.

five years, has made it central to the work that he has done in

:47:59.:48:02.

government, to make sure that flexible working is in place for all

:48:03.:48:10.

parents. And for all of us. These are ambitions that the Labour Party

:48:11.:48:14.

didn't deliver on in their time in office. There are still many women

:48:15.:48:19.

who are not in work who would like to be, and that's why I am pretty

:48:20.:48:25.

sedating in the debate today. It is important to support this bill were

:48:26.:48:32.

to see a doubling of free childcare alongside the other measures that

:48:33.:48:36.

the right honourable lady mentioned in her opening statement, such as

:48:37.:48:42.

tax-free childcare for the first time ever, and more support than any

:48:43.:48:48.

government has ever offered working parents before. Can I also suggest

:48:49.:48:54.

to the right honourable lady, she should be talking about being the

:48:55.:49:00.

party of working women, which is what this government is delivering

:49:01.:49:04.

through the childcare priorities she is setting out. Understanding the

:49:05.:49:09.

pressures that working parents face, especially those with small

:49:10.:49:14.

children, is vitally important. Women who want to return to work

:49:15.:49:18.

have found it almost impossible to do, in the past, because of the

:49:19.:49:22.

financial pressures they face. It would be wrong for those in the

:49:23.:49:28.

other place to seek to delay this important manifesto commitment by

:49:29.:49:33.

forcing on yet further research and funding reviews, which clearly

:49:34.:49:39.

aren't required in order to make this measure work.

:49:40.:49:43.

To make sure in the other place they listen to this debate and they don't

:49:44.:49:51.

seek to block what is an important measure, which has support from both

:49:52.:49:56.

sides of the House. Child care costs continue to be a real pressure. That

:49:57.:50:01.

is why this measure is important. I would like to pay tribute to the

:50:02.:50:10.

work of organisation like For Children, who provided briefings for

:50:11.:50:17.

all of us a and they pointed out that one in five parents has

:50:18.:50:22.

considered reducing their work hours, because of cost of child

:50:23.:50:27.

care. That is why this measure is important. Because while we have

:50:28.:50:32.

gone a long way in trying to make child care affordable, there is

:50:33.:50:35.

still more to do. This measure will help do that for parents. I hope the

:50:36.:50:41.

honourable lady sitting listening on the opposition bench registered that

:50:42.:50:45.

and registers that is the will of parents. I welcome this bill. I

:50:46.:50:50.

welcome the Government's commitment to increasing the average child care

:50:51.:50:55.

funding rates as well that are paid to providers and welcome the

:50:56.:50:59.

measures the Government outlined to make sure there is a fair

:51:00.:51:02.

distribution of funding across the country. If my constituency, most

:51:03.:51:10.

families have all parents working. That is one parent families and two

:51:11.:51:15.

parent family households. 16,000 families in Hampshire could benefit

:51:16.:51:22.

from this measure. This is a seismic change for those families. It is

:51:23.:51:25.

important to get it in place. In Hampshire we are well placed to take

:51:26.:51:31.

advantage of the new measures, because 90% of our providers are

:51:32.:51:36.

good or outstanding according to Ofsted and we have more than 14

:51:37.:51:45.

hundred early years providers delivering this key public service.

:51:46.:51:52.

But we are still recovering from I think some measures put in place in

:51:53.:51:58.

the past which had good intentions, but did unintentionally do some

:51:59.:52:02.

damage. In the past we have seen thousands of child minders leave the

:52:03.:52:09.

sector, because of the pressure they felt from the administrative burdens

:52:10.:52:14.

they faced. That was a shame, because they provided excellent,

:52:15.:52:19.

good quality child care for many working parts, particularly who were

:52:20.:52:22.

looking for after school care. Government funding for free places

:52:23.:52:28.

has been top sliced as my honourable friend mentioned. Because of a lack

:52:29.:52:32.

of a focus on perhaps the detail of how that could be prevented. Indeed

:52:33.:52:37.

parents have been in the past overwhelmed by the complexity of

:52:38.:52:40.

what was offered and initiatives that were so complex and not well

:52:41.:52:45.

communicated that many of our constituents found it difficult to

:52:46.:52:49.

understand how they could access that or were overlapping and

:52:50.:52:53.

provided additional complexities for employers. I welcome the comments

:52:54.:52:58.

the Secretary of State made in terms of being committed to a simpler

:52:59.:53:02.

system. I think that is an admirable place to start. The opposition did

:53:03.:53:07.

rather overfocus for a second reading debate on the details of

:53:08.:53:10.

finances. That is important, but there are other things that are

:53:11.:53:15.

important as well. I would just perhaps draw the Secretary of State

:53:16.:53:19.

and her ministers' attention to a few of them. Firstly, the importance

:53:20.:53:24.

of making sure that for parents we have stability in terms of their

:53:25.:53:28.

access to child care. If those parents who are work don't have

:53:29.:53:36.

long-term permanent contract, they may have breaks in employment or

:53:37.:53:41.

have variable hours. We need to make sure that for the children involved

:53:42.:53:44.

have stability in the child care that they have on offer. So perhaps

:53:45.:53:49.

the minister could in his comments at the end perhaps touch on how he

:53:50.:53:54.

will make sure that there are perhaps grace periods in place to

:53:55.:53:59.

make sure parents who have an underlying eligibility but may have

:54:00.:54:03.

short breaks in their employment still are able to access child care

:54:04.:54:07.

if that is at all possible. The second point is in terms of

:54:08.:54:11.

flexibility and building on some of the points the honourable lady

:54:12.:54:15.

speaking for the opposition was making, 45% of women with children

:54:16.:54:23.

work, do not work full-time. Many work atypical hours, but many work

:54:24.:54:27.

less than a full working week. I think flexibility needs to look at

:54:28.:54:32.

not only the, those that work a typical hours, but those that work

:54:33.:54:37.

shorter than the average working week, to ensure that they have the

:54:38.:54:44.

right flexibility and the child care doesn't become a cost which is

:54:45.:54:50.

higher than it should be in accordance with the hours they work.

:54:51.:54:54.

They should be at the heart of proposals and not left to the

:54:55.:54:58.

discretion of local authorities as to how flexibility works. I hope

:54:59.:55:04.

this is something the ministers can consider to make sure it works in

:55:05.:55:09.

practice for women and for parents who need it so badly. The third

:55:10.:55:17.

point I would make... It seems that the child care will not be available

:55:18.:55:22.

to parts unless they have weekly income level per parent equivalent

:55:23.:55:27.

of 16 hours a week worked at the national living wage that. Does seem

:55:28.:55:33.

to mitigate against the idea of people being able to work flexibly.

:55:34.:55:40.

I thank you. I am not about to have a debate. I hope the honourable lady

:55:41.:55:46.

is on the committee, because he will bring expertise to it. I'm setting

:55:47.:55:53.

out the issues that I I think should debate and I leave the ministers to

:55:54.:55:58.

answer the detail of her point. Going on to the issue of the

:55:59.:56:00.

business model of providers, because the honourable lady speaking for the

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opposition raises an important point in terms of making sure that this

:56:05.:56:10.

does work for the providers, because unlike many services that

:56:11.:56:15.

governments deliver, this is delivered predominantly by private

:56:16.:56:23.

and independent providers. And it is important there is an understanding

:56:24.:56:27.

of the business model and important to make sure that any funding regime

:56:28.:56:34.

takes that, takes the realities of business life for providers into

:56:35.:56:39.

account. I applaud the announcements of an increased rate in the average

:56:40.:56:43.

hourly rate that will go to providers, but I would underline

:56:44.:56:49.

that the only way this will work if there is, is if there is a guarantee

:56:50.:56:55.

in place that the money is not top sliced by local authorities who may

:56:56.:57:00.

seek to use that money to prop up services which are there to

:57:01.:57:03.

apparently support the child care sector. Some of the services are

:57:04.:57:07.

important. But what is most important is that the money gets to

:57:08.:57:09.

the providers to provide the care the providers to provide the care

:57:10.:57:12.

for our children. Because making sure that more of that money

:57:13.:57:16.

gettings through will make sure that the quality is there as well.

:57:17.:57:19.

Another issue which I hope the honourable lady will be able to

:57:20.:57:23.

consider as this bill passes through the House is the knock on

:57:24.:57:29.

opportunities for staff in terms of apprentice ships, making sure that

:57:30.:57:33.

apprenticeships are available to those in the sector in the quantity

:57:34.:57:38.

that would be needed to staff this new initiative. I thank the

:57:39.:57:44.

honourable lady for the response to my intervention earlier on about

:57:45.:57:48.

special educational needs. I raised that point, particularly because it

:57:49.:57:52.

was an issued raised by me by a contacted family and they have

:57:53.:57:57.

undertaken research which shows that 40% of families with disabled

:57:58.:58:00.

children are not able to take up the 15 hour child care offer that is

:58:01.:58:07.

currently available. That is ten times more than non-disabled

:58:08.:58:10.

children, because parents can feel that staff don't have sufficient

:58:11.:58:14.

training or providers can refuse a place for disabled child. Now

:58:15.:58:20.

denying a child that opportunity is unacceptable. Denying parents the

:58:21.:58:24.

opportunity to work is unacceptable. I am delighted to hear that there is

:58:25.:58:29.

a focus in there on ensuring that the support for children who are

:58:30.:58:36.

disabled to get this sort of child care is manifest and applaud the

:58:37.:58:42.

work is being done and hope that continues. As I said, I am fortunate

:58:43.:58:51.

to come from an area in North Hampshire that has a strong child

:58:52.:58:55.

care sector. Strong because we have a strong local economy, as a result

:58:56.:59:00.

of measures the government has put in place, the unemployment records

:59:01.:59:05.

-- levels are at a record low. We need to make sure we have a strong

:59:06.:59:11.

scheme in place tone sure that -- ensure that the child care sector

:59:12.:59:15.

can flourish in every constituency in the country. In my constituency,

:59:16.:59:20.

more than 40 group settings have said they want to offer the 30 hour

:59:21.:59:27.

offer. 92 child minders have expressed their interest of being

:59:28.:59:32.

part of early implementation of the new offer for parents. I I believe

:59:33.:59:42.

our County Council is Regging an interest to -- registering an

:59:43.:59:46.

interest and I hope with the support the council can do that and ensure

:59:47.:59:50.

that excellent counties like that are in the van guard of delivering

:59:51.:59:56.

an exciting new policy and I commend the ministers for the incredible

:59:57.:00:01.

hard work they have put into this measure and bringing it forward to

:00:02.:00:09.

the House today. I rise to speak today as a former teacher with 20

:00:10.:00:14.

years experience in education. So I plan to speak today from a personal

:00:15.:00:20.

point of view and I also plan to speak fairly briefly. I want to

:00:21.:00:25.

speak particularly about clause 2, because I think there are some

:00:26.:00:31.

issues there with clause 2. Years ago I worked at Glasgow University

:00:32.:00:38.

and I was part of a team training new teacher, this was teachers from

:00:39.:00:42.

nursery schools to secondary science teachers. One of the things that I

:00:43.:00:48.

had to do as part of that job was to visit students in placement. And I

:00:49.:00:54.

happened to visit a student in a particularly deprived area of

:00:55.:00:58.

Glasgow. And there was a small boy there who had one word in his Voe

:00:59.:01:05.

cackly. He had -- Voe Kabary. He had started school and the only word he

:01:06.:01:10.

had man and that word was used to any adult and any older pupil. This

:01:11.:01:16.

us was not a child -- this was not a child with special educational

:01:17.:01:23.

needs, but a child with... Whose language development was severely

:01:24.:01:29.

behind that what it should be. The honourable lady from Manchester

:01:30.:01:32.

central mentioned this 18 month development gap. For this particular

:01:33.:01:36.

child, it was closer to two years and that is a very difficult gap to

:01:37.:01:45.

make up. There was some great work done by a Notre Dam sister who came

:01:46.:01:59.

to Glasgow to look at the difficulty young people had in communicating.

:02:00.:02:06.

She worked very closely with the parents and realised that early

:02:07.:02:14.

intervention was key. This nun Doreen Grant wrote a book called

:02:15.:02:24.

Learning Relations. So this 30 hours of child care. Can I say it's

:02:25.:02:31.

absolutely fantastic for working parents. Extremely important and

:02:32.:02:35.

will make a massive difference to their lives. I welcome that.

:02:36.:02:42.

However, I think we need to be careful about the language, or maybe

:02:43.:02:47.

we need to revise the language that has been used. We talk about child

:02:48.:02:52.

care and maybe that is a difference. In Scotland we talk about early

:02:53.:02:58.

years education and the education programme starts aged three. I'm not

:02:59.:03:02.

talking about a formal education learning to read and write, I'm

:03:03.:03:07.

talking about learning to communicate, learning relationships,

:03:08.:03:11.

and starting to work through a curriculum. But when we compare the

:03:12.:03:18.

word child care to the words early years education there is a subtle

:03:19.:03:23.

but fundamental difference here in the language. Child care is about

:03:24.:03:28.

the parents. It is about what we can do to help the parents to support

:03:29.:03:34.

them. How it benefit them. How it makes their life more convenient and

:03:35.:03:39.

yes of course it will benefit the children as well. However, early

:03:40.:03:46.

education is focussed 100% on the children themselves. And it is about

:03:47.:03:51.

improving the life chances for our children. Now, the Secretary of

:03:52.:04:01.

State said they were the only party to have 30 hours of child care in

:04:02.:04:06.

their manifesto. I'm sure it was a slip up from the Secretary of State,

:04:07.:04:11.

because of course the Scottish National Party had already had 30

:04:12.:04:17.

hours early years education in their manifesto. And that, the difference

:04:18.:04:22.

here of course, is it is for all children. And that is really

:04:23.:04:26.

important, because if we are talking about education as a way of

:04:27.:04:35.

increasing their life chances it is crucial that we are not limiting it

:04:36.:04:42.

to parents who are both in work. This clause 2 will further increase

:04:43.:04:48.

inequalities and means that children that are most in need of a good

:04:49.:04:52.

start and early intervention could miss out.

:04:53.:05:00.

There are three groups of parents that I have concerns about that are

:05:01.:05:07.

not fully addressed in this bill. First, we have heard about children

:05:08.:05:13.

with disabilities. I welcome the Secretary of State's commitment to

:05:14.:05:16.

ensure there will be provision made for these children. I wonder about

:05:17.:05:21.

parents with disabilities who are not able to work. Where does that

:05:22.:05:28.

leave those children? These children's could be further excluded

:05:29.:05:34.

from society, and could miss out on chances. And we could be talking

:05:35.:05:38.

about extremely young children having to take on a caring role, and

:05:39.:05:44.

that's really important. I really feel strongly that has to be, the

:05:45.:05:51.

provision has to be increased to include people with disabilities who

:05:52.:05:55.

are unable to work. There is also a worry about grandparents, sometimes

:05:56.:06:01.

elderly grandparents, looking after children. No provision made for

:06:02.:06:07.

them. They also have two fulfilled this requirement to be in work in

:06:08.:06:12.

order to access this 30 hours. There's an opportunity here to

:06:13.:06:16.

really make a difference to these carers, these unsung heroes in

:06:17.:06:22.

society. The third group of parents I am concerned about are those who

:06:23.:06:27.

are on hours contracts. The honourable lady talked about

:06:28.:06:34.

flexible working. What about zero hours contracts? Unless we have a

:06:35.:06:39.

firm commitment to childcare provision, people on zero hours

:06:40.:06:43.

contracts will not be able to access that, which is really worrying.

:06:44.:06:49.

There is a very famous quote that's been attributed to lots of people,

:06:50.:06:55.

give me the boy until he is seven and I'll give you the man. That is

:06:56.:07:02.

absolutely key. What we do at the early stages makes such a

:07:03.:07:07.

difference. The Secretary of State talked about school readiness, and

:07:08.:07:13.

this 30 hours making such a difference to young children when

:07:14.:07:18.

they go to school. Are we only going to ready some sectors of society? We

:07:19.:07:25.

must ensure that this is expanded. I would urge the Secretary of State to

:07:26.:07:31.

look at that, expand it to make sure that all children, particularly

:07:32.:07:35.

those from a disadvantaged background, are able to access this.

:07:36.:07:40.

We've got an opportunity here to support both the parents and the

:07:41.:07:46.

children, and I would urge the Secretary of State to follow the

:07:47.:07:51.

Scottish Government's ambitious target to provide 30 hours of

:07:52.:08:00.

childcare, better 30 hours of early years education, to all children.

:08:01.:08:08.

Thank you. I welcome this bill, and I rise to and some reasons why I do

:08:09.:08:16.

so. This goes to the heart of what constituents say to us, in every

:08:17.:08:24.

part of the country, whether they are already working and wants

:08:25.:08:27.

security against the costs of the childcare they already pay for, or

:08:28.:08:32.

perhaps a couple who wants to be able to get into work or back into

:08:33.:08:38.

work, and faces a situation where the costs of childcare are just not

:08:39.:08:43.

worth it. I have spoken to schools of Norwich, parents and childcare

:08:44.:08:48.

providers, who welcome this bill for those reasons. I am proud that this

:08:49.:08:53.

is an election manifesto pledge, and I think that this bill stands to

:08:54.:08:57.

help parents considerably by doubling the number of free hours

:08:58.:09:03.

they can use. I think we will see, if we get this right, a

:09:04.:09:07.

transformative effect for so many people. We will see it for those

:09:08.:09:13.

parents who can then measured their household balance is more easily,

:09:14.:09:18.

for parents who can now choose to go to work, for parents who may be able

:09:19.:09:22.

to now change their career if they so wish, by having this backing

:09:23.:09:27.

behind them. We will see a benefit to the children behind them, who

:09:28.:09:33.

will be able to get that much more high-quality early years education.

:09:34.:09:38.

I want to see an emphasis on quality as much as quantity. I think we will

:09:39.:09:46.

see a benefit to local local economies, who will see the

:09:47.:09:48.

workforce ETA supported, less stressed, more resilient and more

:09:49.:09:59.

able, for the people who are those employees, to take advantage of the

:10:00.:10:04.

opportunity is they wish to. I also want to say a word for the kind of

:10:05.:10:08.

local businesses who are the nurseries and childcare providers

:10:09.:10:13.

themselves. They will be able to grow to meet this demand, and employ

:10:14.:10:18.

more local people themselves. We do have to get this right in

:10:19.:10:23.

legislation. I want to add a feud detail is from my own constituency

:10:24.:10:29.

and from the County of Norfolk. Norfolk County Council's 2015

:10:30.:10:36.

childcare efficiency assessment shows us that with household incomes

:10:37.:10:41.

in Norfolk lower than the national average, the biggest concern for

:10:42.:10:45.

families is the cost of childcare. Research shows there is already

:10:46.:10:51.

eyeing independent and voluntary sector in the county. Childminder

:10:52.:10:58.

numbers are coming down. Recruitment is a challenge for some settings.

:10:59.:11:04.

Quality of childcare provision in Norfolk is higher than the national

:11:05.:11:10.

average. We see that 94% of Norfolk parents are happy with their current

:11:11.:11:17.

childcare, although reports some dissatisfaction with affordability,

:11:18.:11:21.

accessibility and availability. Norfolk parents want to use

:11:22.:11:25.

childcare. Nearly eight out of ten of parents of eligible children take

:11:26.:11:32.

up that provision, compared to six out of ten nationally. So credit

:11:33.:11:37.

where it is due to the County Council, who have responded to armed

:11:38.:11:45.

by creating over 2000 places for eligible to-year-old in one year.

:11:46.:11:52.

There is a surplus of funding for two-year-old children over all, but

:11:53.:11:57.

there is a widespread shortage of three and 4-year-olds funded

:11:58.:12:03.

places. The County Council estimates that places are still required for

:12:04.:12:11.

3600 two-year-olds, and 18,700 three and 4-year-olds. In my constituency,

:12:12.:12:20.

demand outstrips supply for places for two-year-old and three and

:12:21.:12:24.

4-year-olds. Some recent figures as Nick sample suggests there are

:12:25.:12:32.

around childcare places in the mile Cross and Sewell areas of my

:12:33.:12:37.

constituency, but 1200 three and 4-year-olds. So there is a shortfall

:12:38.:12:45.

of half is what is needed. On top of that, like many constituencies

:12:46.:12:49.

around the country, I see housing growth to come to the north of

:12:50.:12:56.

Norwich. I see that the zero -5 population is rising. I also see

:12:57.:13:02.

that demand is likely to rise further with this doubling of free

:13:03.:13:07.

hours. In many ways, that's an opportunity. There is an opportunity

:13:08.:13:13.

to be grasped in local economies like Norwich for this to be

:13:14.:13:17.

something that can be done, and done well, for parents. Let me add the

:13:18.:13:23.

thoughts from constituents who have contacted me. This one talks about a

:13:24.:13:28.

shortage of out of school care. That applies to children who will be in

:13:29.:13:35.

some cases older than what we are talking about here. But her comments

:13:36.:13:39.

hold for parents facing all types of childcare shortages. She says, the

:13:40.:13:46.

local childminders are all full with waiting lists. The local school has

:13:47.:13:54.

increased its intake, but the breakfast and after-school clubs do

:13:55.:13:57.

not provide enough places for the pupils at the school. She asks, how

:13:58.:14:03.

is that sufficient? She says she works for the NHS as a nurse working

:14:04.:14:08.

for disabled children. She says she will struggle to continue to do

:14:09.:14:13.

shiftwork, because her son comes first, and with no option of

:14:14.:14:17.

childcare, she will have to to leave her work. She asks, as my MP, if you

:14:18.:14:24.

could provision -- increase the provision of after-school care, that

:14:25.:14:28.

will be great for many parents. Having exhausted all avenues, she

:14:29.:14:37.

says, including sure start centres, the County Council website and

:14:38.:14:41.

Facebook groups, I will have two move, leave my job. So she is being

:14:42.:14:50.

penalised for working full-time, she says. There is a huge fish unity to

:14:51.:14:57.

get this right, for children of all ages, but particularly format one

:14:58.:15:02.

max. The opportunity is there for parents, for children and for local

:15:03.:15:10.

constituencies. -- particularly for one max. I have already convened

:15:11.:15:20.

local action on this issue. The local SP college, as a workforce

:15:21.:15:29.

provider, I have approached nurseries to ask how we can in

:15:30.:15:33.

courage the greater supply in Norwich. We should be considering

:15:34.:15:38.

that question alongside the legislation here. We have two years

:15:39.:15:43.

to get it right. Parents need us to do so. We can look at some of the

:15:44.:15:49.

obvious concerns, such as suitable premises all land available within

:15:50.:15:54.

an urban area. We are also looking at the funding settlement. I welcome

:15:55.:16:00.

the higher funding settlement announced today, and I want this

:16:01.:16:04.

message to go out to childcare businesses in Norwich today, this is

:16:05.:16:09.

your chance. This is an opportunity to serve your local economy by

:16:10.:16:13.

coming into business in this area. I'd also expect the County Council

:16:14.:16:21.

to look at its funding model, which it has, in terms of the detail of

:16:22.:16:26.

the way it applies the funding to different types of setting. I would

:16:27.:16:31.

also note that Norfolk County Council spends nearly 9% of its

:16:32.:16:38.

early funding centrally, rather than passing it to providers. I say that

:16:39.:16:43.

is too high. Cornwall spends 0.3% of its funding centrally, and

:16:44.:16:50.

Lincolnshire 2.9%. So it can be done that those costs be brought down,

:16:51.:16:54.

and I would urge Norfolk to look at that. This group I am communing in

:16:55.:17:00.

Norwich will work together in five areas. We will cooperate with

:17:01.:17:08.

schools in planning, in the planning that they have to do. We want to

:17:09.:17:12.

cooperate with local authorities and the other planning they do in the

:17:13.:17:17.

sense of development, so there is the use of this rates to look at --

:17:18.:17:27.

of business rates. We also want to work together with business and

:17:28.:17:33.

inward investment organisations. The larger chains, who have not yet seen

:17:34.:17:41.

the opportunity in Norfolk, should come here and see the investment

:17:42.:17:46.

opportunities we have. We also want to work with local education

:17:47.:17:49.

providers, because there will clearly be the need for a training

:17:50.:17:54.

offer suitable for increased demand. The fifth thing we must do is a

:17:55.:18:05.

question of raising awareness. We have an opportunity here. It is a

:18:06.:18:08.

huge opportunity that must be grasped. We would be letting down

:18:09.:18:15.

parents and children and our local economy if we did not grasp this

:18:16.:18:20.

opportunity, so let this message go out today from this chamber and this

:18:21.:18:26.

bill, that childcare is that chance. It is an exciting opportunity, and

:18:27.:18:29.

the government is doing what it can to make sure that that comes about

:18:30.:18:35.

for parents and children. I have laid out just a few of the

:18:36.:18:39.

characteristics of childcare in Norfolk, and particularly in my

:18:40.:18:44.

already that I am leading in the already that I am leading in the

:18:45.:18:48.

constituency for those parents who need this childcare, and there is

:18:49.:18:52.

more to do. I thoroughly support this bill today, which will pave the

:18:53.:18:57.

way for parents to go into work, for local businesses to grow, and for

:18:58.:19:01.

children to benefit from good quality early years education. We

:19:02.:19:07.

should see this bill accordingly. It is a pleasure to follow the

:19:08.:19:20.

honourable member. As we have seen the debate is split between a

:19:21.:19:29.

conversation between maternal employment rates and development and

:19:30.:19:33.

the point the honourable lady for the SNP raised. I would have more

:19:34.:19:39.

cress dense to her view if the rates of social mobility in Scotland under

:19:40.:19:43.

the SNP administration were working faster when we see the number of

:19:44.:19:49.

childrens from disadvantaged background going to higher education

:19:50.:19:54.

in relation to England, the SNP have not delivered what they promised.

:19:55.:19:58.

I'm delighted. I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way.

:19:59.:20:04.

He possibly doesn't realise one of the routes into higher education in

:20:05.:20:07.

Scotland is through further education and these figures are not

:20:08.:20:15.

included in your statistics. I thank today for her intervention and I do

:20:16.:20:18.

know that. If I was a representative of the SNP I wouldn't be defending

:20:19.:20:23.

their role with further education. What they have done is support

:20:24.:20:27.

higher edge case at the expense of further education and hammering the

:20:28.:20:30.

poor. But I'm being dragged away from the second reading of the bill.

:20:31.:20:35.

As the shadow Secretary of State said, we can all welcome the policy

:20:36.:20:45.

of extending free child care to 30 hours, this builds on the Labour

:20:46.:20:53.

offer of 25 hours that we were told was unaffordable. It builds on hours

:20:54.:20:58.

of work. Any legislation which aims to tackle the child care crisis

:20:59.:21:04.

which aims to increase maternal rates of employment and aims to

:21:05.:21:08.

generate long-term growth has to be welcomed. But over the last five

:21:09.:21:11.

years the Government has made it harder to parents to find the child

:21:12.:21:23.

care hours they need. Since twen ten there -- 2010 there are 40,000 fewer

:21:24.:21:34.

places. Child care prices are crippling families who are already

:21:35.:21:39.

under pressure with parents now spending over ?13 hundred more on

:21:40.:21:48.

child care than in 2010. So anything that attempts to address these

:21:49.:21:52.

impacts on families is to be welcomed. The question I think is

:21:53.:21:59.

how it is to be funded. I do welcome the Chancellor's announcements

:22:00.:22:02.

today, the ?300 million of additional funding four the scream

:22:03.:22:09.

to increase the hourly rate child care providers receive and the ?50

:22:10.:22:13.

million of invest to create additional places in nurseries to be

:22:14.:22:20.

brought in from 1718. As my honourable friend will explore in

:22:21.:22:25.

her incisive speech, these figures don't quite add up. Again I think we

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can reflect on the irony that we were told during the election

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campaign that 25 hours was unrealistic and undoable and now the

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Government have come up with different figures. I am sure

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chairman Mao had an aforism about that. This ignores the crisis

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hitting the sector. As the shadow Secretary of State suggested, the

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free child care policy is behind schedule and Ofsted is announcing

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11,000 places, we are seeing a drop during the course of this year. This

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is leading to many providers having to close, resulting in further

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shortage of places. In my constituency of Stoke-on-Trent there

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are 74 less registered providers than in 2009. This is evidence that

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the underlying infrastructure needed to deliver the Government's

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announcements today is creaking to breaking point. The industry for

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public policy research in their report on the implementation of bill

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warned that if more providers close, driving down quality, with poorer

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outcome for children and less choice for parent as the market shrinks. In

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the face of increasing demand and decreasing provision the Government

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will have to deregulate provision. I am delighted to give way. On staff

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the child ratios, there are no plans and we have said in the other place

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to reduce the ratios for three and four-year-olds. I am delighted that

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this is the third or fourth U-turn of the day. It is hard to keep up.

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But it is important as I shall go on to suggest that when we think about

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this question, we also focus not just on the economics, but we also

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focus on the quality of provision for those in early years. As he

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knows the shadow Secretary of State said there was evidence between a

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judgment of outstanding and the presence of better qualified staff.

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The education select committee in its report set out that poor child

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care is worse than no child care and can be December rimental. It --

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detrimental. It is depressing when you see young women who themselves

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are having a struggle in terms of their own educational' Tainment

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working with children from deprived back grounds. All the challenges we

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are seeing means the quality of provision is essential. I will give

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way. Thank you. Is he aware that what is happening here is we are

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doubling the entitlement, but not necessarily the demand. So there are

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a lot of parents who are already buying more than 15 hours, which is

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the current free entitlement. What changes is who pays for it. All the

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scaremongering about quality being reduced doesn't necessarily stack

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up. I am not really arguing about the reduction of quality, I'm

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arguing for an improvement to quality. I understand the point

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about the doubling of the provision, but the argument has to be when we

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see such ingrained inequality and such disadvantage that the quality

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of provision needs to improve. We know investment in the early years

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is about more than just announcing more child care. There is a huge

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part of the infrastructure that has been ignored, cut and undermined by

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this Government. Time and again children's centres has come under

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assault from this government. We know that the last Labour Government

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tried to make sure start centres an essential part of welfare state and

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part of this government's ambition to dismantle the welfare state is

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strip away one of the elements that we think is such a civilising part

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of society. With more centres being forced to close and cutback, due to

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inadequate funding, there was no announcement for funding today for

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children's centres or support for the early intervention grant. Indeed

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according to the children's society the total value of the early

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intervention grant which funds children's centres was around 3.2

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billion in today's prices. By 2015 the value of the grant has been more

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than halved to around 1.4 billion. By the end of 2016 the allocation

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provided to local authorities through the support grant would have

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been reduced by 6.8 billion pounds compared to funding for come par

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sieve services prior to the - comparative budgets prior to 2010.

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They reduced funding by some ?700 million in real terms s. This

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amounts to spending reductions of over one and a half billion. With

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Eno e - we know with local authorities under pressure the

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outlook for children's centres looks bleak. Over the last five years the

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Government, over 700 centres have been closed. We know that effective

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early intervention does not begin at the age of three, it begins with

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anti-natal classes, drop in clinics and open access provision. It begins

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with teaching parents the importance of bonding and attachment. If

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anything those fist years of a child's life are the most important

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in terms of child development. The more we discover about development

:28:40.:28:43.

and the effects of the growth of the brain in the early months and years,

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the more startling it is that the Government have piled on the cuts in

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the earliest years. They're not serious about tackling disadvantage

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and inequality, because if they were, they wouldn't be putting all

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the cuts into that area. So it is no wonder that great charities say poor

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kids do worse under this Government and it is no wonder we see the

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effects of that in our schooling and education system. The Government's

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record on protecting the architecture of the delivery of

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education in the early years is lamentable. Labour protected the

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budget in our election promise. This Government protected only schools.

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Today's announcement about six form and further education is well, but

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it means an 8% cut to their budgets over the coming five years. The

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Labour Party despite the global crash with the help of the sure

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start architecture slashed child poverty by 900,000. What is what

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Labour governments do. That is what progressive Governments do. Under

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the latest figures, we know we are going to see child poverty rocket.

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Time and again the early years have been deprioritised. We on this side

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have a commitment to the power of early years education and our belief

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it is the most effective way of narrowing the achievement gap so no

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child is left behind when taking their first steps in a reception

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classroom. We are, I am supportive of measures to help working

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families. I am very supportive. We are all united in this house on

:30:33.:30:38.

measures to help work families. But we need a much richer, deeper and

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more sophisticated focus on the quality of early years provision and

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what it can do to tackle the inequality and disadvantage. I would

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like to support this bill. It is a pleasure to follow the member for

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Stoke-on-Trent. He said it is a Labour policy. I do not remember it

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being chiselled on the Ed stone, but perhaps the honourable lady can

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refresh our memory. Anyone who saw the photographs of Prime Minister

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and the visit to advantage day care nursery in toll worth will know was

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this policy had blue fingerprints all eve it. I'm pleased the bill was

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one of the first the Government introduced and the Government made

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it clear that promoting social aspiration is at the heart of its

:31:40.:31:43.

agenda. Ensuring young people get the best start in life, no matter

:31:44.:31:49.

what their background is at the core of Conservative mission. For me it

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is one of core duties of any Government and what I hope to

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achieve as a member of Parliament. It is what my parents worked to

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achieve in the teaching profession. 30 hours free child care has two

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objectives. First, is to ease the burden on parents who want to go

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back to work. Parents who are either prohibited or restricted in their

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ambition to do so by the gap between their low pay and the high cost of

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child care. It is right that 30 hours free child care formed a

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central plank of our offer to hard working families during the general

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election and we are working to deliver that now. The second

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objective of 30 hours free child care is significantly to improve the

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life chances of our next generation and it is that aim of policy that I

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want to speak to this afternoon. Early years education has been the

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Cinderella of schooling policy, more and more evidence has pointed to the

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fact that emotional and physical health, the social skills, the

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linguistic facilities we develop in early years are the prerequisite for

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attainment in school, the work place and in the community. It is not

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surprising therefore that research suggests that early years education

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is the critical ingredient to close the educational achievement gap

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between children from low income and high income households before

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starting primary school. Investment in early years education is cost

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effective and more than one study from the US has found Nat average

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benefit tohe found the average Nat -- found the average benefit was

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almost $200,000. Recent Department for Education figures show in

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England one in four children are starting primary school without the

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expected level of early language skills and save the children have

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carried o' ought survey last week which found that 75% of teachers see

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children struggling to speak English properly. This is simply not good

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enough. Children in my local authority perform above average in

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their speech and language development at age five. Thanks in

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part to the excellent teaching we part to the excellent teaching we

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have in the area. However, the poorest children are almost twice as

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likely to fall behind and are about a year behind at the age of five.

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