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Order, order. Questions to the Secretary of State for Foreign and | :00:16. | :00:28. | |
Commonwealth Affairs. We oppose the use of the death penalty in all | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
circumstances and advocate global abolition. The Government supports | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
programmes around the world to promote abolition and Eamonn Tory on | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
executions in those countries where the death penalty is still on the | :00:42. | :00:49. | |
statute book. Can I ask if he will resent a new strategy for the | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
abolition of the death penalty following on from the 2010, 2015 | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
strategy and will it include Saudi Arabia? We oppose the death penalty | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
in every country including Saudi Arabia and other states where that | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
is still part of the criminal law. The abolition of the death penalty | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
remains integral to all human rights work that this department does. I | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
welcome the fact that the trend is for reducing the number of | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
executions and the number of states carrying out executions. When he | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
joined me in expressing concern in areas where that is not the case and | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
does he agree that if it is wrong to take a life, it is wrong for the | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
state to take a life in revenge? That is certainly my view and it is | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
the Government's position to oppose capital punishment. We need to | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
bearing in mind that while capital punishment exists, it means it is | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
potentially a risk for a British citizen anywhere in the world who | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
might be found guilty of a criminal offence. Does he share my horror | :01:58. | :02:07. | |
that on the top five countries which execute people come remains the | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
United States of America, despite a reduction in the number of | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
executions last year? Where did the last speak to his American | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
counterpart about their record in executing people? As I am sure she | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
knows, in the US, this is largely a matter for state legislature 's and | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
state governments rather than the ferret -- Federal Government. We to | :02:31. | :02:39. | |
take up, when appropriate, the particular cases with the relevant | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
authorities. Belarus is the only country still executing its | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
citizens. Does my right honourable friend share my concern that in the | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
last three months, two Belarus citizens have been sentenced to | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
death? If they want to become a full member of the Council of Europe, | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
they should abide by international laws and the European ledgers -- | :03:02. | :03:12. | |
European legislation is? We, in all our dealings with the Government | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
there, we make clear the need for them to move to international and | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
European standards on capital punishment, but also to take action | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
to improve what is frankly still a dismal human rights record in that | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
country. Further to the answer from the honourable member from Slough, | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
is he aware of the organisation that drugs companies exported to the | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
state of Arkansas for use in lethal injections? They say they don't | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
export for this purpose but go on to say any sales usually occur through | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the use of distributors. It seems an obvious loophole. Why is nobody | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
closing it? I will look into the particular case at -- that he | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
describes and try to him in due course. -- and write to him in due | :04:11. | :04:22. | |
course. Humanitarian assistance was sent to besieged communities in | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
Syria. The first deliveries of aid have now been made and yesterday | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
there was an announcement of agreement between Russia and the | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
United States on the detailed arrangements for the sentenced -- | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
for the hostilities which will come into force on midnight on Saturday. | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
If that is implemented by all the parties, this could be an important | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
step towards a lasting political settlement in Syria. The bombing of | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
two hospitals and other health facilities in northern Syria is | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
completely unacceptable and a clear breach of international humanitarian | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
law. Does the Minister agree that those responsible must be brought to | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
justice and that this reinforces the need for United Nations Security | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Council to refer the situation to the International Criminal Court? | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
The Honourable Lynne de -- Lady raises an incident that has caused | :05:25. | :05:32. | |
widespread outrage. It requires a resolution of the United Nations | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
Security Council, one veto holding member of whom is the Russian | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
Federation. It is unlike -- it is unlikely that we will succeed going | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
down that route. Turkish policy towards Syrian Kurdish forces seems | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
inconsistent with our own, inconsistent with the prospect of | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
supporting Syrian peace talks and inconsistent with the opportunity to | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
form a united front against die -ish. This Syrian Kurds are an | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
important part of the equation and have to be brought into any enduring | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
solution. Turkey has a problem with links with the PKK and other Syrian | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
groups. PKK is a terrorist group designated in Turkey and indeed in | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
the UK. There are overlaying conflicts here. It is a major | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
complicating factor. What we have seen is very disturbing evidence of | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
coordination between Syrian Kurdish forces, the Syrian regime and the | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
Russian air force which are making us distinctly uneasy about the | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
Kurds's role in this. The bombings are driving the refugee | :06:50. | :07:03. | |
crisis and destabilising and weakening Europe. Now is not the | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
time to even talk about weakening the EU sanctions against the Putin | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
regime. I agree with the honourable gentleman that now is not the time | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
to send Russia any signals of compromise or pulling back. The only | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
language Putin accepts is that of confrontation. We have to stand up | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
and be counted, how ever inconvenient that might be for some | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
that have to be counted. Whether we like it or not, Russia is a | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
prerequisite to the successful talks if they are going to be successful. | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
The American Secretary of State has a close working relationship with | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
the Russian Foreign Minister, talking to him nearly every week. | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
Whether the Foreign Secretary will speak to the Russian Foreign | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
Secretary and what is he doing to improve his personal relationship | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
with him? Our relationships are difficult. I spoke to Sergei Lavrov | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
on the 11th of February in Munich where he and I had some prolonged | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
and robust exchanges around the table during that evening. I do | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
speak regularly to the US Secretary of State and am aware of the | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
discussions he is having with our mutual Russian counterpart. The | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
problem is that Russian policy on Syria is not made in the Russian | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
Foreign Ministry comment is made inside a tiny cabal around President | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
Putin around the heart of the Kremlin. What dialogue has the | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
minister had with French counterparts as a result of the | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
Syrian crisis regarding the safety and protection arrangements for | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
unaccompanied children refugees that are at grave risk and due to be | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
disbursed from the jungle camp? I have had discussions with my former | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
French counterpart who retired the week before last and indeed my new | :09:07. | :09:14. | |
French counterparts. The issues relating to would-be migrants | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
accumulated around Calais after the Home Secretary and she has very | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
regular discussions with her counterpart. The Russians are a key | :09:24. | :09:33. | |
part to establishing a meaningful political settlement in Syria. Would | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
he agree that it doesn't mean we give in to the Russians across the | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
rest of Europe and that the Nato commitment in the Baltic states is | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
just as important a counterbalance whatever partnerships we use the | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
Russians for in Syria? We are dealing with a raised level of | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
Russian assertiveness in many areas. In the Baltic, in Ukraine and now in | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
the Middle East. We have to be robust in all areas. He is right | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
that Russia holds the key to the situation in Syria. I have said in | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
this house before that there is one person in the world who has the | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
power to bring the misery in Syria to an end by picking up the phone | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
and making one phone call and that person is Vladimir Putin. The whole | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
house will welcome the ceasefire agreement which is so badly needed. | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
However, there have been promises from Russia before. They have been | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
claiming to be attacking terrorist groups when they have been attacked | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
in moderate opposition forces and civilians. Can the Foreign Secretary | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
set out how breaches of the ceasefire agreement will actually be | :10:46. | :10:46. | |
assessed? She has put her finger on the | :10:47. | :10:54. | |
problem. The ceasefire agreement will allow continued operations | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
against Daesh and associated terrorist groups submitted by the UN | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
Security Council, and nobody would disagree with that. The problem is, | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
the Russians claim that the date, all of their action has been against | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
those groups. So on the face of it, the Russians could be entering onto | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
this arrangement on the basis of not changing their behaviour. This | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
cessation of hostilities will fail before it has got off the ground if | :11:24. | :11:32. | |
that is their intention. Can the Foreign Secretary explain what | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
consideration has been given to a UN resolution to strengthen the | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
ceasefire agreement and support the peace talks? Yes, first of all, | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
there is an arrangement agreed between the Russians and Americans | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
for investigating alleged breaches of the ceasefire, and there is a | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
commitment on both sides to working out a coordination cell between US | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
and Russian sides to try to identify legitimate targets that can be | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
structuring the ceasefire. In terms of UN dimensions to this, we are | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
looking at that, we would welcome a UN resolution behind the ceasefire, | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
we already have the resolution 2254 which we did on the 18th of December | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
in New York, but that can only happen if the Russians are prepared | :12:24. | :12:34. | |
to work with us. Number three. Mr Speaker, Daesh is presently being | :12:35. | :12:41. | |
defeated in Iraq, as the competence of Iraqi security forces improves, | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
specifically writing to Kurdistan, we are providing the peshmerga with | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
air power, logistical support and training. I thank him for that | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
answer. Report suggest that 45% of Kurdish forces are composed of | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
women. A commander recently said, we do this not to protect ourselves but | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
to change the way of thinking of the army, not only to gain power but to | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
change society and develop it. What steps is the government taking to | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
ensure their participation in regional diplomatic talks, post | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
Daesh? Can I just paid should be to be quite she has given and the work | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
she has done in pioneering the role that women can play. This is | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
something of the UN envoy recognises and is trying to include the bosses | :13:32. | :13:39. | |
of women. We have British training taking place in northern Iraq and we | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
have training teams that will be training female units in the | :13:46. | :13:53. | |
peshmerga itself. What is the minister's current assessment of the | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
relations between the government of Turkey and the Kurdistan regional | :13:57. | :14:04. | |
government? It is important Russian ship that they are developing, not | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
just for economic reasons, but as he has just outlined, the there are | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
concerns by Turkey because of the role and involvement and influence | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
of the PKK, we will be monitoring that carefully. Since the breakdown | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
of the peace process in summer last year, they have been reports of an | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
escalation of violence and reports of a breach of human rights in | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
south-eastern Turkey, in the Kurdish areas. There have been the deaths of | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
hundreds of innocent civilians, curfews, imprisonment of democratic | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
re-elected politicians who would be key interlocutors in future | :14:49. | :14:55. | |
negotiations. Can he assure me that it will form part of the peace | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
process talks in Syria? I'm grateful for her question, it is something I | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
was able to raise during my visit to the north of Iraq, at the end of | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
last year. We are concerned about the reports of human rights abuses | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
and it's something we need to make sure is not overlooked. Question | :15:19. | :15:30. | |
number four. Mr Speaker... The pleasure is entirely mutual! Let me | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
say to the Minister of State, I much appreciate his courtesy in notifying | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
me of his travel plans, I know he has only recently got off a plane so | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
we're delighted to have him here, especially in view of the fact of | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
which he has previously informed the house, that he is responsible for | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
three quarters of the world! You have just stolen my first line | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
again. On this important subject, I would repeat, for India and | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
Pakistan, they need to find a lasting resolution to the situation | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
in Kashmir, taking into account the wishes of the Kashmiri people. It is | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
not for the UK to prescribe a solution. And tragically, this house | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
has a great deal of respect for UN resolutions, and I'm sure that the | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
Minister will be aware that in 1948 the UN Security Council passed | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
resolution 47, instructing the government of India and Pakistan to | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
prepare for a plebiscite to decide the future of Kashmir. Now almost 70 | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
years have passed, thousands of Kashmiri men, women and children | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
have been slaughtered and atrocities are committed on a daily basis and | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
there is still no sign of any action to allow these people to vote on | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
this most important issue. Does he agree with me that the people of | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
Kashmir should have the right of self-determination and will he give | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
an assurance that the British government... I hope she is near the | :17:06. | :17:16. | |
end of the sentence? Finish the sentence. That the British | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
government will do everything in its power to make this happen. We don't | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
intend to support an international conference or put the site on | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
Kashmir, our long-standing position is this is a matter for India and | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
Pakistan to find a resolution. We are acutely aware of the human | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
rights allegations in Kashmir, this was discussed when Prime Minister | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
Modi was here in 2015, and we continue to monitor the situation | :17:49. | :17:57. | |
closely. Many of my constituents, who are of Kashmiri origin and | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
heritage, take the view that this entire problem was left behind by | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
the UK will be ruled in that area. Does not the Minister feel that | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
there is a real obligation on the UK to actually take a more proactive | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
role in this, and do something positive to bring about a resolution | :18:17. | :18:26. | |
to this long-running problem? We are talking about two sovereign | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
countries, India and Pakistan, it is not for the UK to come between them | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
other than to urge them to talk and to ask them, good moves and | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
communications between the leaders, they are discussing the subject | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
among other things and that we very much welcome. I would say that this | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
has been going on for decades and decades and the UK does have some | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
expertise in building more peaceful settlements. Isn't there a bit more | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
that the UK could do to promote confidence building measures between | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
India and Pakistan and are very least raise this as a priority with | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
the youth special representative so that our allies know it's more of a | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
priority? I just said to the Right Honourable gentleman, we do things | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
as best we can without getting directly involved and we welcome the | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
fact that on the 25th of November they visited each other, the | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
leaders, but I would repeat again, he knows full well the long-standing | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
position of the government and when he was in government, it was no | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
different, this is a matter for the Indians and Pakistanis to resolve. | :19:40. | :19:48. | |
Number five. The UK is committed to strengthening engagement with the | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
Commonwealth, the Prime Minister, the member for Whitney, led a strong | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
delegation to the Commonwealth summit in November where Lord Maud | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
and I promoted trade opportunities within the Commonwealth. The | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
reticence in British manufacturing and engineering is not only a | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
testament to this government's determination to rebalance the | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
economy but has also contributed to 62% employment in my constituency. | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
Does he agree with me that our historic links, especially trade | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
links with other Commonwealth countries, are vital to the | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
continued success of these sectors and the jobs they support? I'm | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
pleased to hear the figures coming in from my honourable friend's | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
constituency, they can be echoed around the country, I would say we | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
are an open, free trading state, we trade around the world and trade | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
within the Commonwealth is extremely important and we need to do more to | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
promote it to stop it clear that trading between two Commonwealth | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
countries is 19, 20% cheaper than trading outside the Commonwealth, it | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
is something we need to do. We need to engage trading ministers more | :21:07. | :21:15. | |
formally. Last year, Prime Minister Modi and our Prime Minister | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
designated next year as the year of culture between India and the United | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
Kingdom. Will they join me in welcoming the British Curry | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
Festival, taking place in New Delhi in March of this year, when British | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
chefs from Leicester, London and Reading, will be going to Delhi to | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
make curry there? That he not agree this is a real example of good | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
relations between Commonwealth countries? At the risk of seeking to | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
curry favour with the right honourable gentleman... We must all | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
wish our curry chefs every successfully travelled to India and | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
hope that they have a speedy return, because we would all miss our curry | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
wedding at home. -- -- were they not at home. It was this point, as well | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
as talking about trade between the UK and Commonwealth countries, the | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
functioning of the Commonwealth will surely be enhanced if there is more | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
trade between Commonwealth countries, and to what extent can | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
the UK play a role in trying to enhance that ensure trade, | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
particularly in areas where we have substantial representation? It's as | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
well to remember that we are an equal partner within the | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
Commonwealth, we don't run it, and we wish Baroness Scotland every | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
success in so doing, and we want... She has the universal support of | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
this house, clearly! We want her to refocus the Commonwealth, we want to | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
spend more time... There are similar issues going on elsewhere in the | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
world but we want to spend more time boosting trade, and getting rid of | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
tariffs and promoting intra- Commonwealth trade, and that we can | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
do. I know the business and investment Council is doing a great | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
job, business will play a large role in the Commonwealth conference in | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
2018. Can I ask is serious question about the Commonwealth and the | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
dramatic relations. How may members of the Commonwealth don't have an | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
extradition agreement with this country? Increasingly be find people | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
commit ghastly crimes, they need to Pakistan and we can't get them back | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
to face justice. What is he doing about that? I say that is a very | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
wide-ranging accusation and if he will write to me or come and see me | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
on a specific case, I will be happy to look at this, we deal with these | :24:02. | :24:11. | |
things on a case-by-case basis. Mr Speaker, with permission I will | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
answer this question together with question 14. The conduct regulations | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
which said that the detailed framework of how the referendum poll | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
will be administered have now been agreed by both Houses of Parliament. | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
The date of the referendum must now be agreed by Parliament in the | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
further statutory instrument, laid before both houses in draft | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
yesterday. A record number of people registered to vote in the Scottish | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
independence referendum, 97% of the adult population. What efforts as | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
the UK Government taking the match that success? This, as he will know, | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
is the responsibility of the electoral commission, and they are | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
planning a campaign to raise awareness of the need to register in | :25:02. | :25:02. | |
good time for the referendum. Can the Minister give comfort to | :25:03. | :25:14. | |
those Scottish students who are studying across Europe and can he | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
provide the House with details of what contingency plans are in place | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
should there be a no vote in the EU Referendum Bill? My advice to | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
Scottish students studying in universities elsewhere is to ensure | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
that they are registered to vote so that their votes to count along with | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
everybody else in the referendum. You put your finger on one of the | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
uncertainties about eight potential access from the EU because it is, | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
after all, treaties that give British citizens the right to live, | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
study and work in other EU countries. The Minister may recall | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
that in response to my amendments to the Finance Bill, the Government | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
promised to negotiate with the European Commission for zero VAT for | :26:02. | :26:12. | |
sanitary products. As the Prime Minister used his recent | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
negotiations to raise this issue and what progress has been made? The | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
question of value added tax was already part of the EU system before | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
the United Kingdom ever joined the European communities in the 1970s. | :26:30. | :26:37. | |
There is a review of the current EU directives on value added tax that | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
is due to take place this year and that is the appropriate forum in | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
which to raise this issue and it is something the Government hopes to | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
secure the reforms about which she is speaking. A successful UK | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
Government has signed up to a range of agreements with regards to | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
protecting our environment, and ensuring EU wide energy markets. The | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
removal of environmental controls would be a backward step. I am sure | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
the Minister for Europe will agree with me that a membership of the EU | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
is vital in promoting the interests of people in Scotland and across the | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
UK. However, the Minister will be aware that the Justice Secretary | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
said last week, that our membership of the European Union prevents us to | :27:27. | :27:34. | |
change law and stops us from choosing critical decisions which | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
affect all of our lives. Can he confirm... Finish the sentence, very | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
quickly. Can he confirm how his Government's plans have been | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
constrained by European legislation or regulations? Like every member | :27:53. | :28:03. | |
state of the EU, there will be particular issues that come up, | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
particular measures where we find some of the ruling irksome. On | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
balance, as the Prime Minister set out clearly yesterday, the | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
Government is convinced membership of a reformed European Union will | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
make the British people more prosperous, more secure and more | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
influential in the world than any of the alternatives so far proposed. It | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
is important that voters have the full fax at their disposal when | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
making a choice in June. Can the Minister confirmed to the House that | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
the Government has calculated the cost of implementing the proposals | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
agreed at the EU Council last week, in particular those relating to the | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
administration of the new benefits rules. What will be savings to the | :28:50. | :28:58. | |
Treasury be? Some of this will be a matter for the implementation of | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
regulations that will now follow both at European level and at | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
national level. The answer to the honourable lady's question will | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
depend upon what the level of benefits and tax credits is at the | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
appropriate time in the UK. Those matters will become clear as time | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
goes on. I wish the Minister great success in trying to alter the level | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
of VAT on sanitary towels but could he confirm that if the British | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
people decided to leave the European Union, could he confirm that will be | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
up to the British Government to decide the level of VAT on sanitary | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
towels and other products? That would depend upon the nature of the | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
subsequent relationship because the reason why value-added tax has since | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
before our membership of the EU, been something dealt with at EU | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
level, is because the price at which goods are sold as a direct impact | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
upon the notion of a single market and free trade within Europe will | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
stop the issue that my honourable friend raises would have to be | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
tackled in the course of negotiations about such a future | :30:12. | :30:22. | |
relationship. As the House is aware, all prices are hovering around $30 a | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
barrel, the lowest in 13 years and this is a consequence of lower | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
global demand, continued production and the resilient production in the | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
USA. Countries are taking action and they are diversifying their | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
economies and removing subsidies. In reference to Russia, around half of | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
the Government revenues have come from oil and gas and the GDP has | :30:48. | :30:57. | |
declined by 4% last year. Clearly, foiling -- falling oil prices are | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
having an effect on many countries. I was part of a delegation visiting | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
Saudi Arabia last week. What encouragement is our Government | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
doing to other countries to help and support them diversify and what | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
opportunities does the Minister Seif British companies to assist in that? | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
There are enormous opportunities as my honourable friend outlined is not | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
just in Saudi Arabia but across the golf -- golf. We are working to | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
diversify to help these countries with renewables, green energy and | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
also Saudi Arabia has expressed an interest in opening up tourism. | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
These are important aspects that Britain can play an important role | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
in. I will is the eight and nine together. Britain was a driving | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
force between -- behind the creation of the global coalition. We hosted | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
the first meeting in January 2015 in London. I discussed the campaign | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
against Daesh with other international partners including at | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
a coalition small group meeting in Rome earlier this month. The Army in | :32:10. | :32:20. | |
-- the Kurdish army has been battling since 2014. When he paid | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
tribute to the Peshmerga and Seymore as to what role they may play no | :32:26. | :32:34. | |
liberation. I am happy to pay tribute to the Peshmerga. They have | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
proved themselves to be a resilient fighting force and the most | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
effective force operating against Daesh. The UK's training and | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
providing equipment to the Peshmerga. I had an opportunity to | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
meet with the President of the KR G2 talk about the liberation of Mosul | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
and be the role the Peshmerga might pay -- play. The Kurdish regional | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
Government is more open to the idea that the Peshmerga will play a role | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
in the liberation of Mozilla. They have also agreed to Iraqi security | :33:13. | :33:22. | |
forces being based in the KR G in order to prepare for the assault on | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
Mosil. It is more likely that we will see a successful assault on | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
Mosil sooner rather than later. Seeking a solution in Syria has gone | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
hand-in-hand with our humanitarian aid in the region. When he set out | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
how increased diplomatic cooperation will improve and assist our | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
humanitarian aid in the region, specifically neighbouring countries | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
such as Jordan and Lebanon? We hosted a successful Syria and | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
regional conference on the 4th of February raising $11 billion in a | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
single day. The real significance of that meeting was that we moved on | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
from the idea of simply collecting money and distributing it, to | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
working with host countries in the region, to ensure that refugees are | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
able to access the labour market, can get education for their children | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
and can access health care, making them less likely to feel the need to | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
decamp and become regular migrants heading towards Europe. King | :34:26. | :34:34. | |
Abdullah of Jordan asks that we reach out to areas like Bosnia which | :34:35. | :34:44. | |
may be the next trouble spots. Are we making any progress? We should be | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
very much focused not only on those countries that are already facing | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
this challenge, but the countries that are next in line for the | :34:54. | :35:01. | |
challenge, seeking to enforce them. The Prime Minister's of all Western | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
Balkan countries were in London yesterday and I had been Minister to | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
meet the President of Bosnia-Herzegovina over. We're | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
working closely with them to ensure the resilience and the European | :35:15. | :35:22. | |
trajectory of that region. On the issue of Daesh fighters returning | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
home to countries within Europe, whatever its have been made in terms | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
of diplomatic coordination to ensure there is a more common response | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
among countries in Europe to ensure we keep our citizens here safe and | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
prevent these people coming back to wreak havoc through terrorism on | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
towns and cities in the UK? Different countries in Europe have | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
different domestic legislation around this issue. We have some of | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
the most robust measures available to us to deal with returning | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
fighters. It is precisely because of the importance of exchange of | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
information between European partners, that the Prime Minister | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
was able to confirm that we believe Britain is safer and more resilient | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
against the threat of terrorism by its cooperation with EU. If | :36:16. | :36:27. | |
operations against Daesh are successful... Thank you, I hope the | :36:28. | :36:40. | |
gentleman will not be deflected. What is the threat of them moving to | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
Libya and has the Foreign Secretary made an assessment of that | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
eventuality? There is clearly a risk that as Daesh is defeated in Iraq | :36:52. | :36:59. | |
and Syria, the embryonic presence in Libya, particularly around one area | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
could be a base for operations 100 miles off the coast of Europe. That | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
is why we are working with our partners and allies to encourage the | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
formation of a Libyan Government of National cord that we can work with | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
to start stabilising the country and pushing back on those Daesh | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
footholds in Libya. Could the Secretary of State say how far ahead | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
we are in terms of bringing about that coordination and bringing a | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
stable authority within Libya to take on Daesh? We have seen an | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
increasing Daesh activity and there is still a lot of disconnect between | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
different bodies in Libya. What progress has been made? There is | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
progress being made among European partners and with the US preparing | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
the support we can give to a Government of National cord in Libya | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
when and if it is formed. The problem is that several months after | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
we first expected to happen, it still not been formed. We are | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
working closely with the parties in Libya and with the regional powers | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
who have influence, particularly Egypt, to encourage Prime Minister | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
-- the Prime Minister to get that Government formed an approved so we | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
can engage. There is a strong commitment by the European partners | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
to engage once that Government is created. | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
Much does get said during the election of cycles and we were | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
concerned by some of the statements that have been made during the | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
Israeli election. I was in Israel last week and I can confirm that I | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
had meetings with Prime Minister Netanyahu. He remains committed to | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
the two state solution. It has been over 20 years since Oslo and there | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
are more than 350,000 illegal Israeli settlers in the occupied | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
West Bank. 300,000 Israeli settlers in east Jerusalem and the Government | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
continues to announce the building of more illegal settlements. Does he | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
believe this will aid the priest process and if not, what is he doing | :39:15. | :39:26. | |
about it? -- peace process. This is unhelpful and takes us into the | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
wrong direction. Through my visit, I visited some of the settlements | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
developing there and while announcing when new settlements have | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
slowed down, we are seeing the existing settlements are starting to | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
grow and that happens without people seeing this. We have an area to the | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
north of Jerusalem and if that continues to grow in the method that | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
it does, it will link up towards the north of Jericho. It will | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
essentially say there are no two state solutions. We need Israel to | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
show it is committed to this and stop the settlements. On the issue | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
of words, something that is rubbished is the issue of incitement | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
and the increasing amounts of incitement we're seeing from the | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
Palestinian Authority 's and media. Some has been referenced by those | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
committing knife attacks on innocent civilians. Last week I said -- spent | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
a visit to a school in Brussels where I had appalling stories of | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
anomie -- anti-Semitism in Europe where people deliberately conflate | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
Jews and Israel. The Minister condemned not only the incitement | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
we're seeing outside of the Palestinian Authority, but the | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
attacks which we are seeing in Europe as a result of this? | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
I agree that what we are seeing, Israelis, subject to brutality and | :40:45. | :40:54. | |
murder, is unacceptable and Israel has the obligation to defend its | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
citizens. But we are seeing is the anti-Semitism there, the reaction | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
often through websites, reappearing in Europe or closer to home and we | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
have been working hard with international colleagues, to make | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
sure that we stamp out anti-Semitism, no matter where full. | :41:15. | :41:24. | |
A clear majority of Israelis support the setting up of a Palestinian | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
state but as the Minister agree that actions like how mass, mounting | :41:30. | :41:37. | |
attacks on Israel from Gaza, makes it less attainable? She is right, | :41:38. | :41:48. | |
what we are seeing is some of the developments, it is like deja vu, | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
we're going round again, the rebuilding of the tunnels | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
themselves, the missiles start to fly, where does it take us? This is | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
not a confidence building measure, in the same way that building | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
settlements is not a confidence building measure. We need to make | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
sure we empower the Palestinian Authority so it has the ability to | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
look after and take responsibility for the governments of Gaza, that is | :42:14. | :42:24. | |
the way forward. I'm sure there is a big contrast in the growth of | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
extremism, Israeli authorities deal with Jewish extremism, they | :42:28. | :42:37. | |
investigate, prosecute and condemn. Whereas violent extremists, so far | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
as the Palestinian Authority, the name schools after them, sporting | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
events after them, they glorify them on television. Will they take the | :42:46. | :42:53. | |
opportunity to condemn absolutely the attitude of the Palestinian | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
Authority and urge them to cease this senseless encouragement to | :42:56. | :43:02. | |
violence? He makes a powerful argument, and it's important that we | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
actually see that there are affirmative actions on both sides to | :43:08. | :43:09. | |
reduce tensions, but I raise the specific matter of inflaming, of | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
using words, health Minister in the Palestinian Authority was unhelpful | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
in the comments she made recently in condemning the attacks taking place. | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
This takes us into the wrong direction. We should be doing | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
things, making steps that encourage others to act in consequence of | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
that. I wish we had more time but we haven't. Question number 11. I had | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
productive discussions at the joint ministerial Council with other | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
overseas Territory leaders in December, we agreed progress on in | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
permitting central registers, a system should be kept under | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
continuous and close review, discussions are ongoing but I want | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
to see significant progress ahead of the anti-corruption Summit being | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
hosted by the Prime Minister in May. Will he confirm that the overseas | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
territories and Crown dependencies will be at the summit and will we do | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
our part to make sure that we secure commitment from them to clean up | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
their act and make company on this public? Final in bytes for the | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
summit have not yet gone out of the discussions are ongoing, -- invites. | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
The director is currently visiting the Cayman Islands and British | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
Virgin Islands, thrashing out some of the details. Does the Minister | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
expect those registers will be publicly available all of close to | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
one, to gain access to relevant authorities? I am sorry, I was | :44:48. | :44:57. | |
strong to follow his question as to whether they would be open or | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
closed. They will be open registers available for law enforcement | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
agencies to interrogate, not publicly open registers. That is a | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
long-term aspiration but initially we want to get that access for law | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
enforcement agencies, which will create greater transparency and | :45:17. | :45:24. | |
reduce corruption. In April 2014 the Prime Minister said that, I believe | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
the beneficial ownership and public access of a central register is key | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
to improving the transparency of company ownership and vital to | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
meeting the urgent challenges of tax evasion. Nearly two years have | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
passed and there still appears to be no time table for transparency | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
arrangements in regard to the financial centres, why is this? | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
There has already been much progress. I think she dismisses that | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
progressed to regulate. There are checkpoints, last week we were | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
speaking with overseas territory leaders, there are people there at | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
the moment and we hope to crystallise some of these | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
improvements before them summit in May on corruption, which was brought | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
by the Prime Minister and will be held in London, demonstrating their | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
commitment to this important issue. Can the Minister told the house the | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
exact date by which he expects overseas territory financial centres | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
to ensure proper transparency arrangements, or are we going to | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
continue to hear more excuses for inaction in the years to come? This | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
is an area of direction rather than an ultimate direction, and we will | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
constantly be asking the international community to do more | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
to create greater transparency but it is crucial that the international | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
community, whether the Crown dependencies, overseas territories, | :46:54. | :46:55. | |
are moved together on this, because we want to eliminate the problem of | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
corrupt money rather than shift it from territory to territory. It is | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
the best bit quickfire questions, quickfire answers. Number one. The | :47:08. | :47:16. | |
Foreign Office's mission is to protect our values through our | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
diplomacy and the Prime Minister's deal with the EU but offers the | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
basis for Britain's feature prosperity and future in Europe. The | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
crisis in Syria, the result in migration to Europe, the levels of | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
Russian aggression and the Terror is the threat from Islamist extremism | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
remain the principal threats to the security of the UK and UK citizens | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
around the world. I should recommend this to the register of interests, | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
as we know from Northern Ireland, conciliation is only possible if | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
both sides want it to move forward. Will he recognise efforts made by | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
the Sri Lankan sides in building a strong democracy and unite the | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
island, and will he encourage them to continue? I was in Franco last | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
month and I was able to meet the Prime Minister, Foreign Minister and | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
travel to the north -- I was in Sri Lanka. I have spoken to the High | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
Commissioner in Geneva, who has been there, he was there in February, we | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
are looking forward to his update on Sri Lanka at the UN human rights | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
Council in June. As events in the Ukraine and Middle East have | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
reminded us, nations committed to peace, security and democracy need | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
to stand together in the face of aggression. Our membership of the US | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
is one of the most important ways in which we do this and the Foreign | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
Secretary knows that ending our alliance with the Ewart sent a | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
dangerous signal, including two Daesh and President Putin. Why does | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
he think that's his cabinet colleagues cannot see this and are | :48:57. | :48:59. | |
intent on a course of action that would weaken's voice in the world | :49:00. | :49:06. | |
and undermine our security? Each person in this country will have to | :49:07. | :49:08. | |
make up their own mind about the questions before them in the | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
forthcoming referendum and I have always said this is a balancing | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
equation, there are pluses and minuses in every international | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
relationship but I agree that on the question of Britain's security and | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
influence in the world, there is no doubt we are stronger, safer and | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
more influential as part of the European Union. I'm grateful to the | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
Foreign Secretary for that reply. The report of the UN human rights | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
Council enquiry on Syria, published this month, found that, "Flagrant | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
politicians of human rights and international humanitarian law | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
continued unabated. " The ceasefire is needed but it will only relieve | :49:48. | :49:55. | |
suffering if it is adhered to. What a CSS are the prospects for ensuring | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
that Russia respects the ceasefire by ending its attacks on the Syrian | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
people and if it does not, what further pressure can be put on | :50:04. | :50:10. | |
President Putin to do so? The issue is going to be this, the Russians | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
will say that they are complying with the ceasefire, and they will | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
say that continued attacks, air strikes, are justified by the terms | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
of the ceasefire and that they will be a Mrs D to pour over individual | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
attacks by the US and Russia in the coordination sought to identify what | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
happened. The big picture is this. Unless the level of Russian air | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
strikes tragically decreases, this ceasefire will not hold because the | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
moderate armed opposition cannot lay down their weapons and will not, | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
while they are being annihilated from the air by the Russian | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
aircraft. The Tanzanian electoral commission announced the general | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
election results in Zanzibar at the end of last year and there has been | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
increased electoral violence in Zanzibar as we head to the poll on | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
March 20. What representations on making the 10th union government to | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
make sure we do not return to the violence of the thousand and 2001? | :51:14. | :51:21. | |
-- the Tanzanian government. We are concerned by the decision to annul | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
the elections for the Zanzibar Presidency and the house of | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
representatives on the 28th of October. Our position will set out | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
in the statement by the British High Commissioner on the 29th of October | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
and we have raised these concerns at the highest level, including the | :51:38. | :51:39. | |
Foreign Secretary in his telephone call to the then Prime Minister, my | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
telephone call to be Foreign Minister in December and my right | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
honourable friend in his meeting with the same individual in January. | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
I hope to visit Tanzania in the coming months and raised these pods | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
personally. Given his response to earlier questions rating the benefit | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
to the UK of remaining in the Yukon is it not a real concern that many | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
of his colleagues in the government would put our security at risk by | :52:10. | :52:19. | |
Brexit? This is a referendum in which members of Parliament will | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
each have one vote, along with every member of the UK electorate. In my | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
experience, there are deeply held views both for and against petition | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
on the ship in both my party and the Honourable Lady's party. My view is | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
clear that this country is going to be more prosperous, more secure, | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
more influential in the world through continued EU membership. | :52:44. | :52:51. | |
Given the ongoing Russian incursion into Georgian sovereign territory, | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
but he absolutely condemn the situation in the southern Caucasus, | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
and does he think the situation in South city must now be regarded as | :53:04. | :53:10. | |
the new norm? We should be alert to Russia's aggressive actions in | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
former Soviet Union countries, wherever they are, not just in | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
Ukraine and arguably we were too slow to recognise what was happening | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
in Georgia was the beginning of a new mention the Russian foreign | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
policy, we should have resisted it robustly and we should push back | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
wherever we can. Can he confirm whether or not his discussions with | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
the US about Libya have included the possibility of UK military action | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
and can confirm there will be none without approval from this house? | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
Have a long established convention which he knows that before | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
committing UK come back forces to combat, in all situations where it | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
is possible, other than the direct emergency, or where considerations | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
of secrecy make it impossible, the Prime Minister is committed to bring | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
the issue to the house and allowing the house and opportunity to | :54:08. | :54:14. | |
discuss. What have they made of the securities situation in Burundi and | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
what steps have been taken to bolster Her Majesty's government's | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
presents there? In response to the crisis, we have stepped up military | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
and support to people fleeing Burundi, abiding money, the | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
parliamentary under Secretary of State for International Development | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
has decided to recruit a full-time coordinator, based in Bujumbura, | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
this will be good news, they have been pressing the government to do | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
this and we will commit on both sides of the house. On the 4th of | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
January the Secretary of State told the house that China's claim to be | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
treated as a market economy should be judged through the prism of | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
steel. Given that 70% of the Chinese steel industry is owned by the | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
Chinese government, can the Secretary of State confirm that | :55:09. | :55:10. | |
China should empathic they not be granted market economy status? What | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
I said in January, he will find if he checks the record, is I had come | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
back from China, where I had conveyed the message to the Chinese | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
that there claim to market economy status and the consideration of the | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
claim would be judged through the prism of their actions in the nation | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
to steal, they gave me assurances then and in October that they are | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
seeking to address overcapacity in the Chinese market will stop we have | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
just had discussion about this this morning and I've learnt that there | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
protests going on in China about loss of steel jobs just as there are | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
in the UK and other places throughout Europe. The reality is we | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
have a massive surplus of steel capacity throughout the world and we | :55:55. | :55:56. | |
have to address it. Following the action against Daesh, | :55:57. | :56:07. | |
what are the plans to make a permanent memorial? There is a | :56:08. | :56:18. | |
migration and a concern that Daesh is moving out under pressure in Iraq | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
and Syria to other parts of the world, including Libya. He is right | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
to make the connection between what happened in Libya, the terrorist | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
attack that took place killing many Britons. We all hold a memorial | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
service on the 12th of April to mark this event. A recent UN report | :56:39. | :56:47. | |
suggested Saudi Arabia's military operation Yemen is targeting | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
civilians. Is the minister confident that the UK Government is fulfilling | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
its obligations under the arms trade treaty in relation to Saudi Arabia | :56:57. | :57:04. | |
in this case? We have discussed the expert's panel for the UN on this | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
report. We are looking at the report in detail. It was done by satellite | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
evidence. The experts didn't visit the country itself and we have to | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
bear that in mind. We have passed the information on and are | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
discussing it with Saudi Arabia. I had a letter from the ambassador | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
this week confirming that every effort is made to follow human | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
rights law in the support of the President and UN resolution 2216. | :57:31. | :57:44. | |
Immigration controls in Calais are governed by the Treaty of Le | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
Touquet. He will also know that the treaty can only be broken if the | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
British or the French choose to do so and it has nothing to do with | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
whether we are members of the European Union or not. We ask, which | :57:58. | :58:05. | |
ever person said it, to stop talking this nonsense, that if we leave the | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
EU, we are suddenly going to find a massive refugee camp in the heart of | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
Kent? The Treaty of Le Touquet is certainly vital to this country's | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
border security of the 100,000 people who have been stopped from | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
entering the UK in the past five years, roughly a quarter were | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
stopped at Calais. We cooperate closely with the French Government | :58:33. | :58:39. | |
but I fear my honourable friend underestimates the extent of | :58:40. | :58:41. | |
domestic French opposition and protest against the controls, that | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
if we left the EU, the stock of goodwill towards the Treaty of Le | :58:48. | :58:53. | |
Touquet would be severely depleted. On the Foreign Office website, there | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
is advice to companies thinking of doing business with illegal Israeli | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
settlements. It says financial transactions, investments, | :59:05. | :59:06. | |
procurements as well as other economic activities in Israeli | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
settlements and tell legal and economic risks. We do not encourage | :59:11. | :59:16. | |
or office opposed to such activity. Does the Government give the same | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
advice to public bodies including loud -- local councils with regard | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
to their procurement assistance? We are clear with local authorities | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
that they should not be bound by -- that they are bound by procurement | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
rules. We do not support boycott movements and the Minister for the | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
Cabinet Office was in Israel last week and made that abundantly clear | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
them. With the US wishing to continue for a further 20 years, is | :59:45. | :59:51. | |
military presence on Diego Garcia, what discussions are the Foreign | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
Office planning to have with Washington about facilitating | :59:55. | :00:05. | |
bringing them back? We made it clear we wanted the US presence to | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
continue but the Government has not held discussions with the US about | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
continuing that arrangement. I very much welcome his discussions if you | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
weeks ago at the Foreign Office as part of the all-party group visit to | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
the Foreign Office. I will continue to liaise with him when the | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Government does come to a conclusion following the report and following | :00:28. | :00:35. | |
the consultation. Following on from yesterday's dropping the value of | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
sterling, implication does the Foreign and Commonwealth Office | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
office anticipate for Britain and Northern Ireland as a result of the | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
uncertainty around the referendum? Uncertainty always has a cost to | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
business. Business hates uncertainty and the markets will reflect that | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
uncertainty. That is why it is right to hold the referendum at the | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
earliest possible date, 23rd of June, so people can get on with | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
their business. When I canvassed the streets of Newark for local | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
elections, people asked me what the views of my local councillors are | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
refuse collection or potholes. I rarely hear them ask their views on | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
foreign policy. What my right honourable friend agree that foreign | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
policy is set by the Foreign Secretary and by the Government and | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
debated in this house, not by our town halls and we should all | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
therefore support the Government's action against boycotts and | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
sanctions? One of my colleagues has reminded me he is not the only one | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
who pounded the patents of Newark. Everybody on these benches did so. | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
Foreign policy is a matter for the Government of the United Kingdom and | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
is the business of this Parliament and it is important we have a single | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
foreign policy which is clearly projected so Britain's position in | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
the world is understood and strengthened. Demand always | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
massively exceeds supply at Question Time. We haven't time but I am | :02:10. | :02:18. | |
allowing time for one last question. , Press the Foreign Secretary | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
further on and they gave to my honourable friend from Sheffield | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
South East? Is there anything in the rules which feted as a public | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
institutions ability to act on the advice that his website puts out my | :02:35. | :02:42. | |
honourable friend quoted? Public bodies in this country are bound by | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
the EU procurement directive in their purchasing activity and must | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
follow those rules. I am sorry to disappoint colleagues. There is huge | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
interest in what the Foreign Office does and says. We'll have to leave | :02:56. | :03:07. | |
it there for today. Urgent question. To ask the Secretary of State for | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
Health to make a statement on the Government's responds to the final | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
report of the independent mental health task force. | :03:15. | :03:26. | |
Achieving parity of esteem for mental and physical health remains a | :03:27. | :03:34. | |
priority for this Government and I appreciate the honourable lady in | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
raising the question this afternoon. We welcome the independent mental | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
health task force launched by the NHS England last year with every | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
minute to explore the variation in the availability of mental health | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
services across England. Look at the outcomes for people using services | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
and identify key priorities for improvement. The task force, chaired | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
by Paul Farmer, I want to thank him and his vice chair and all their | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
team for the remarkable work they did. Also considered ways of | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
promoting positive wealth fund -- positive health and well-being, and | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
whether we are spending money and time on the right things. The | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
publication of the task force's report marked the first time a | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
national strategy had been designed in partnership with all the | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
health-related bodies in order to live a change across the system. It | :04:28. | :04:35. | |
demonstrated a way in which society and the NHS and this house now holds | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
mental health and how it is to be seen and how it is to be approached. | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
This Government has made great strides in the way we think about | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
treatment will help in this country. We have given the NHS more money | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
than ever before and are introducing access and waiting time targets for | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
the first time. We have made it clear NHS services must follow our | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
lead by increasing the amount they spend on mental health and make sure | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
bets are always. Despite these improvements, the task force pulled | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
no punches and gave a frank assessment about the state of | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
current mental health care across the NHS. Highlighting the one in | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
four people were experiencing mental health problem in their lifetime and | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
the cost of mental ill health to the economy, NHS and society is ?105 | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
billion a year. We can agree that the human and financial cost of | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
inadequate care is an acceptable. Therefore, we welcome the | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
publication of the task force report and the Department of Health will | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
work with NHS England and other partners to establish a plan that | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
progresses the recommendation for improving mental health. To make | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
these recommendations are reality, we will spend an extra ?1 billion on | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
mental health by 20 20/20 one, improve access to services that | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
people receive the right care in the right place when they need it the | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
most. This will mean increasing bin amount of people from 468,002 agent | :05:59. | :06:07. | |
of thousands. Doubling the amount of pregnant women or new mothers | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
receiving mental health support from 12,000 to 42,000 year. Training 1700 | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
U therapists and helping 29,000 more people to find or stay and work | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
through individual placements are bought and talking therapies. I can | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
assure all members of the House that they will have ample opportunity to | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
ask questions and debate issues as we work together to progress the | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
task force's recommendation. The final report of the mental health | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
task force commissioned by NHS England gives a frank assessment of | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
the state of mental health care today and describes a system which | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
is ruining some people's lives. It makes a number of recommendations | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
which, if implemented in full, could make a difference to services which | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
have had to contend with funding cuts and staffing shortages at a | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
time of rising demand and stop too many from people without the right | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
care and support. It is extremely disappointing that the opposition | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
has had to compel the Minister to come to the Chamber today to insure | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
Parliament can give the report and the Government's responds to it the | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
attention and scrutiny it deserves. This is all the more regrettable | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
because the Prime Minister himself chose to announce their response to | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
the media during recess last week. A courtesy which had it not been for | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
this urgent question today, would still not have been afforded to this | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
house. The apparent announcements from the Government include an | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
additional ?1 billion worth of investment by 2020, get a number of | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
vital questions remain unanswered. Will the Minister explain why the | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
report was delayed and published in recess? Did ministers have a say | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
over the timing and if so does the Minister access that this level of | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
interference by ministers raises questions over the independence of | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
this report? Can the Minister confirm that no additional money | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
will be allocated from the Treasury to fund their announcements and that | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
they will be funded from the pre-existing ?8 billion that has | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
been set aside for the NHS by 2020? Given that mental health receives | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
just under 10% of the total NHS budget, surely mental health | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
services would have been expecting to receive much of this additional | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
money as part of the NHS settlement anyway. Can the Minister explain how | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
this money can be expected to deliver the transformation in our | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
mental health services, that the task force says is urgently | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
required? Can the Minister confirm that he is accepting all of the | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
recommendations relating to the NHS? Does he intend to respond to the | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
other recommendations and when can we expect that response? We don't | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
solve the challenges of our nation's mental health from the Department of | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
Health. For the many thousands of people who have been let down by | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
this Government who are desperate to see a change in how we approach | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
mental health and who are owed a full explanation from the Government | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
on the response to this damning report, I look forward to the | :09:06. | :09:15. | |
Minister's reply. I thank the honourable lady for her questions | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
and the opportunity it presents to say more about what we are doing in | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
relation to mental health and how far it has come since 2010. The | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
honourable lady could have said 1400 more people a day or having access | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
to mental health treatment than in 2010. A comparison in what was done | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
then and what is being done now. The central point is there is more to be | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
done which is a common view that we share and that is right to bring it | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
out and what this report did. The timing was not up to Government. | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
This is an independent report commissioned by the NHS of an | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
independent task force and the timing and the content was decided | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
by them. I have the occasional meetings with Paul Farmer about it | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
and made sure I have spoken to him and said it is your report. Forget | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
the papers and who wants what in the report. This is yours and it has to | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
be yours and it is clear that it was. The decision to publish it was | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
theirs and the Prime Minister was able to respond. It emphasises the | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
importance that is given to this issue, compared with times past. | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
In relation to the finance, the important thing to note is the Prime | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
Minister announced in January how the ?600 million in the spending | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
review, which is included in the NHS Bottom Line until 2021, was going to | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
be spent. That included mental health, crisis care and psychiatric | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
liaison in A and the crisis care community work. What was said by the | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
Prime Minister in relation to the task force report represents a new | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
money available for the NHS and mental health by 2021. Which will be | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
a billion pounds extra by 2021 than it is spending at the moment. With | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
the additional number of people to be treated that I outlined. In terms | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
of how that will be handled by ourselves, I spoke to the task force | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
after the issuing of the report. What I don't particularly want to do | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
is produce a response to the task force report. What I'd prefer to do | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
is have a series of rolling responses, which, when we have | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
responded to a recommendation and when we are moving on and delivering | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
on the recommendation, I will say so. It will be related back to what | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
the task force has done. Some of those may involve announcements in | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
parliament or written statements. But I don't want a Big Bang in terms | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
of a response, because the Prime Minister has already said we will | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
accept these recommendations. Instead of report being produced and | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
sitting on the shelf, by constant reference to it by doing something, | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
saying this is a response to what the task force said we should be | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
doing towards 2021, it can get the stamp of support and recognition, | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
which I think is important. In relation to what the honourable lady | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
claims is the thousands let down. I would gently remind the honourable | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
lady, it was this government who was the first government to set waiting | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
times for physical and mental health. A chance missed by her | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
government when they were in government. It is this government | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
that has made the commitment of ten billion pounds extra to the NHS, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
which was never a commitment made a her or her party. It is easy to talk | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
about new things in mental health when you don't have a budget or an | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
economic team producing anything of any credibility, but this government | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
has the responsibilities and is doing the work. But we are agreed | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
the state of mental health services cries out for more to be done. That | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
is what we are doing. The direction of travel and physical delivery is | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
happening on a day by day basis. We will do more and we will continue to | :13:29. | :13:38. | |
do more and I welcome her team's pressure on me and my right | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
honourable friend to continue to do more. We will meet that challenge | :13:42. | :13:49. | |
but we meeting it like no government has done before. Can I congratulate | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
my honourable friend on his personal commitment towards this issue. Will | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
he accept those who suffer from mental health or often poor | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
advocates for their own cause and it is easy for money to be diverted | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
into other areas of health care spending, when others are able to | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
shout louder for that money. Will he and his front bench team consider | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
whether it is possible to ring fence inside the NHS budget, this money | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
from mental health care, so it doesn't become the Cinderella | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
subject in the future that it has been in the past? I thank my | :14:28. | :14:36. | |
honourable friend but his interest and he liked me, has come across | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
this conundrum. We talked from the dispatch box about more money going | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
into mental health and in areas they say, it is not happening here. It | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
has been a genuine reality we need to do something about. What we need | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
to do, by being more directive to clinical groups and examining their | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
finances and the guidance from the NHS that says they expect the | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
proportional increase in finance in the NHS going appropriately to | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
mental health services and the specific commitments we have even to | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
the series of services announced by the Prime Minister, we hope to make | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
sure that diversion of funds in the future will not sorry, the diversion | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
of funds in the past will not happen in the future. I think all of us in | :15:27. | :15:38. | |
the House welcomed the strides that have been made in changing the | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
stigma around mental health. The people who have been brave enough to | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
speak out. The campaign we had in Scotland, which was See Me. Often | :15:49. | :15:58. | |
the money has not gone to the services. Mental health trust | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
suffered a 2% cut between 2013 and 2015 in their budget. The number of | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
psychiatric nurses went down by 1.4%. As he mentioned about money | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
often ending up somewhere else is something that must be avoided. I | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
think we would need to focus on children also. One in ten of | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
children are suffering from mental health problems between the ages of | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
five and 16. They are waiting a very long time to get help. We have the | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
same challenge in Scotland, we measure it and know how difficult it | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
is. We have managed to improve it by increasing staff and funding. But we | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
also have a long road to walk. We're not thinking about the whole spread | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
of mental health support in the community. The way people work, | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
insecure jobs, people struggling to keep a roof over their head. We will | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
later debate welfare reforms and the mental health issues coming from | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
that. Three times the number of poor children will have a mental health | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
issue as children in a stable and well financed family. I would like | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
to ass, are we not going to try to join up our decisions and look at | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
other policy areas in how people work, in how people are supported | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
and the mental health suffering that comes from that? Can I thank the | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
honourable lady for her usual well-informed contribution to the | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
debate on these issues. I thank her for what she said about stigma and | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
the general approach the government has been taking. Absolutely right, | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
we have supported the time to change the anti-stigma campaign. We have | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
got to do more. She is right about children and wider cross government | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
work. In relation to children and young people we have a minister in | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
the Department for Education in England with responsibilities for | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
mental health. In terms of cross government work, my honourable | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
friend from the Home Office is here to demonstrate we do take those | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
cross government responsibilities seriously. One of the ways we will | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
manage the response to the task force is there will be a cross | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
governmental team to make sure departments are joined up, housing | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
has something to do with this as well as education. Work and pensions | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
has something to do with this, as the honourable lady said. We will | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
make sure it is done. I should have said in my remarks of course, but | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
didn't for reasons of time, what has been said in the task force on what | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
the Prime Minister said is in addition to the one .5 billion | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
pounds that was announced in March for the mental health service the | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
children in England and the 30 million pounds a year eating | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
disorder work to recognised increased pressures on children, | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
because she is right, the earlier help the children do better. Can I | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
join the minister in thanking the Independent mental health task force | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
for the work they have done, but can I ask him to go further in how we | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
are going to track with greater transparency, this money is spent in | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
the right place, not just within health but social care as well. He | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
will know those suffering from mental health problems, are cared | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
for in the community and the social care. It is vital we have parity | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
across social care. Can I thank my honourable friend and recognise the | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
work of the Royal College, it's President, Simon Wesley, was | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
involved in the report and they were closely involved, so I thank them | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
for that. It is important to track this. The clinical commissioning | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
groups assessment framework will help us do this through the health | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
service. The money that Prime Minister announced in relation to | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
community crisis, the extra 400 million pounds announced in January, | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
will be spent throughout the community. It is essential we do | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
track it. There has been a lack of data. The honourable lady away | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
victory knows about this. I answer questions to her saying this | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
information is not collect it centrally. I have noticed this. We | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
are in the process of changing that. The data was in process of being | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
changed and more information will be available. In order to track | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
properly, we need the information. We are improving the data, but it is | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
important to track it both in local authority work as well as community | :20:51. | :20:58. | |
work. It is immensely encouraging he notices his own answers. Mr Kevin | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
Jones. Extra resources are important, but what are the main | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
messages from this report is we need to hard-wire mental health and | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
well-being into public policy. Twice as many people take their own lives | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
and are killed on our roads every year. With the Minister agree with | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
me it is time for a national campaign to address this issue? Yes, | :21:25. | :21:33. | |
Mr Speaker and I thank the right honourable gentleman for his | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
comments and his own work in this area. Included in the | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
recommendations is a national ambition to reduce, by 10%, the | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
number of suicides, which will be a reduction of 400 a year. There are | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
some areas that are piloting what is called a zero suicide ambition | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
strategy. Three areas piloting this and this needs probably more | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
prominence than it has got. There is an national suicide prevention | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
strategy. I am reviewing that and seeing how it can be better | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
implemented locally. Not all local areas have a similar strategy. It is | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
right it gets better prominence. We had a debate on it not too long girl | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
at Westminster Hall and it is a significant issue for men in | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
particular. Three times as many men take their own lives, as women. | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
Although the increase in the number of women, which was noticed a few | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
weeks ago, is significant. It is important we talk about this more, | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
recognise suicide is not inevitable, have an ambition to challenge that | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
and do more and I'm confident the honourable gentleman can do that, as | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
he has done other things. It is a sad fact that in health care, those | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
professionals who at the most to the service do not necessarily receive | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
the same level of acclamation of those working in more glamorous | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
specialties. What does the Minister think can be done to improve the | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
status of those working within mental health care and thus mental | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
health care as an attract career option? Good question. It is | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
important true value is given to those who work in such an area. At | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
all levels. When we have seen some of the examples of poor quality care | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
and the tragedies that have occurred, we realise the value is | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
placed on those who display a kindness as well as skill, and | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
demonstrate their qualifications. We need to talk about the quality of | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
good care. We need to make sure people who go into these professions | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
have a career path from what other entry level they have. We want to | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
encourage greater psychiatric awareness in medical training and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
clinical, medical political training for those leaving medical schools. I | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
know Simon Wesley from the Royal College has done much work relating | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
to this. But emphasising those who care for those in the most | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
distressed situations, whether it is hospital or in the communities, | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
deserve our thanks, encouragement and proper training. Increased money | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
for training is included in the package the government will be | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
working on, will be a vital part of that. Two weeks ago the minister | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
came to talk to parents who are campaigning to get an inpatient | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
facility for children and young people in the Hull area, as the | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
previous one was closed several years ago. I wonder if the minister | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
could update my constituents about any progress and whether any of the | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
money allocated to mental health services will be used in Hull? I | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
thank the honourable lady for her question. It was good to see her | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
there with her constituents. I don't think there is any new money | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
specifically needed in order to deliver the commitment in providing | :25:01. | :25:09. | |
inpatient care for young people in Hull and the surrounding area. It | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
seems it was already agreed right people, the problem was the | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
delivery. She will recall the frustration I expressed sitting | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
round a table, there where trust representatives, but for some reason | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
it was impossible for people to come to a decision. The update is, I have | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
taken that away with some degree of concern on how we resolve the issue, | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
whether has to be a national decision on the allocation of | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
finance and priorities, where you have a clear, local need which does | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
need to be dealt with. And we will make progress on this. On bird 's | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
generally, we have more beds the young people than ever before, 15 | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
more since I came into my role, but they are not always in the right | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
places. Her area demonstrated that. But I don't think there is anything | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
in the announcement that affected the importance of it that had | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
already been recognised. I warmly welcome the initiative, | :26:04. | :26:16. | |
Eiffel this area was cross-party. Can I make two brief pleas to the | :26:17. | :26:19. | |
Minister, one is that we mustn't lose sight of acute mental health | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
episodes, for children and young people out of hours and weekends | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
which is an issue that has been long-standing, for instance in my | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
constituency and the other issue is to ret syndrome, it falls between | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
the strategies of education and health. One in 100 children are | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
diagnosed with it, it is an important neurological decision that | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
we need to address. Will he deal with it as part of his wider mental | :26:48. | :26:58. | |
view. I thank the honourable gentleman, indeed, the attention | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
that is now being paid, recognising people who need urgent treatment | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
will go to accident and emergency, it has been recognised by the | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
government 's determination to ensure emergency access 24-7 by | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
placing more psychiatric liaison in hospitals and in improving crisis | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
care in the community, so my honourable friend is right to | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
recognise that. There are a number of syndromes and issues that have | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
particular qualities associated with them that need individual care and | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
my honourable friend is right to raise those who suffer from | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
Tourette's. Thank you Mr Speaker, the task force recognises the | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
importance of housing, and I think it is right that his department made | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
no representations to the Treasury before the changes to housing | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
benefit for tenants in supported housing was announced and they have | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
made no official representations to other departments as recently as | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
three weeks ago. Will the minister now make the case to his colleagues | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
in the Department for Communities and Local Government and the | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
Department for work and pensions, to exempt people. I understand, the | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
honourable Lady's point, and I know that such issues are being | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
considered extremely carefully by those who are responsible for | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
developing the policy, but I will make sure that her further concerns | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
are noted and that the department's interest is already recognised. | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
There is so much good stuff in this report that I would also like to | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
congratulate the authors of the report and my honourable friend for | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
the interest he has taken in it. I particularly welcome the recognition | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
of psychiatric liaison in the report, the gap in the provision and | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
the commitment to having psychiatric liaison services at the core level, | :28:53. | :29:00. | |
in half of hospitals by 2020. Could my honourable friend tell me whether | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
this is fully funded and given the difficulties in getting the services | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
in place, will he take a close interest in the plan to make this | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
happen in practice? I thank my honourable friend for her interest | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
in the subject which he had expressed to me previously, and her | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
work in relation to this. Yes, how determination is that the extra ?1 | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
billion a year that will be spent on mental health services, will cover, | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
training and the commitment that we have made in elation to this 24-7 | :29:31. | :29:39. | |
cover. -- made in relation. It was identified, in the crisis care can | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
call that, that was so successful in the first 12 or 18 months, and I | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
determination is to make sure that these facilities are provided. The | :29:49. | :29:56. | |
report adds to the consensus, led by Lord crisp's commission, and led by | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
my right honourable friend from North Norfolk, ending out of | :30:02. | :30:11. | |
practice out of area treatment. Would the Minister, put a timetable | :30:12. | :30:18. | |
on that process? Mr Speaker, the task force recommendation is that | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
out of area placement should be entered by 2020, Lord crisp's report | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
said 2017. I would like to see it done soon as is reasonably | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
practicable, because we want to make sure, that where people can be | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
treated locally it makes a real difference and the Honourable Lady | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
for Hull North, who was talking just a moment ago, there have been one or | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
two cases there that have been treated further away than they | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
should. They lose the local community links, to assist them. We | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
all want to see an end to that. I wanted to be done as soon as | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
possible and it will certainly be done within the task force | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
recommended timescale and if it can be done any quicker locally, area by | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
area then I will be very much welcoming that. Thank you Mr Speaker | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
and I welcome the government's positive response to the task force. | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
While effective acute care is vital, and prevention is better than two, | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
will the government look at ongoing training for all GPs in mental | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
health, so that all patients can have access to early diagnosis, care | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
and treatment, to prevent problems escalating. Yes, my honourable | :31:33. | :31:40. | |
friend again makes a good point, GPs will very often be contacted first | :31:41. | :31:48. | |
about some of these issues, wearing problem Mr burping. I know from my | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
contacts with the BMA and the Royal College, and the Royal College also | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
was very involved and interested in the task force report, it want to | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
make sure that the doctors have enough training. Because it there is | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
according to interest, but I know that all GPs are very concerned | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
about this. They want to make sure that they have got the skills, but | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
equally, they need to know that they can refer in the right place, that | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
is where the increase in support for emergency and community services is | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
about. That there are proper pathways so that people don't get | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
stuck in any particular stage. White my 15-year-old constituents, Matthew | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
Garnet who has autism has spent the last six months in psychiatric care | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
30 miles from home. This unit does not have the specialism to meet his | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
needs and he has to tear rate significantly, the specialist that | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
he needs is in Northampton, where Matthew's family have been told that | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
there are five young people ready for discharge but his ongoing care | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
cannot be arranged. There is clearly a crisis on mental health care for | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
children and adolescents, when will the Minister bring a plan to the | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
house to address this and will he intervene to secure Matthew Garnett | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
the bed that he so desperately needs? I thank the Honourable lady | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
for her question, and of course if she wants to make a particular | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
approach on that case, I am ready to listen. It is already in the works. | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
To say a couple of things about it, in talking about specialist care, | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
even though we want most young people to have access to get close | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
to home, there will always be some particular specialist care that will | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
require out of area treatment and that is perhaps the circumstance is | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
that the honourable lady is referring to. It is then a question | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
of getting the place, that requires, that emphasises why it is so | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
important to have community care available so that there is discharge | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
possible, proper care package and the like. That is precisely what the | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
task force looked at and made recommendations, that way is already | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
ongoing. As my timing of this has shown me, there are variations in | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
practice in different places to make sure that discharges are handled | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
better in some areas than others, the practice of the best has got to | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
become the practice for all and everything is done to make sure that | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
people are treated in the appropriate place at the appropriate | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
time. Keeping people in hospital is not what everyone wants, that work | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
is already going on, and I will make sure that the honourable lady gets | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
an answer to her question. Thank you, I welcome his personal | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
commitment to this issue, in this area. Because it demonstrates the | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
importance of mental health issues in the NHS. Would he be able to | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
clarify how he is going to be able to hold the NHS to account so that | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
this money is spent on additional mental health, as opposed to just | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
frittered away? Mr Speaker I think the engagement of the NHS with his | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
task force needs to be recognised and emphasised, this was a task | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
force that will see the NHS itself set up, because it wanted to be very | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
clear about the state of mental health services and take a five-year | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
forward view which is what the task force is about. And the task force | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
went beyond that to say it has got a 10-year vision which I welcome. But | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
everything can be done in meek -- not everything can be done in the | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
Parliamentary cycles. I think that the certainty that he wants, is | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
demonstrated in the NHS's own involvement and the endorsement of | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
the recommendation and the work on transparency that is so important to | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
us to make sure that we can all see where the money is gone and spent. | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
That is what should hold them to account on the expenditure issue. | :35:37. | :35:46. | |
Rachel. The report highlights that 50% of diagnosis for mental health, | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
by the age of 14, 70 5% by the age of 24. Yet he also said in his | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
report, most children and young people get no support. I want to ask | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
the minister what specific work will be put in place to look at | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
prevention and early intervention including early diagnosis? Again, I | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
thank the honourable lady for her interest and her considerable | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
knowledge in these issues that she has raised a number of times before. | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
As an example, two things, we need increased expenditure on children | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
and Young People's of services, the 1.25 billion that will be spent over | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
the next five years, that is improving the baseline which | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
includes early prevention. I would also mention the full roll-out of | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
the services to children by 2018. That is already in place for 70% of | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
the country and it will be completed by 2018. That ensures that children | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
get early access to the psychological therapies that they | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
need and I think it is an important development which I hope that she | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
welcomes. As chairman for the all Parliamentary party group for mental | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
health by very much welcome this report and I think it should be | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
welcomed on all sides of the house. With the Minister agree with me that | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
we actually have now a unique opportunity, we have a high-quality | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
public debate in mental health where we are addressing the stigma. We | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
have a government, with the Prime Minister who has made speeches in | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
the last three weeks about mental health setting out the government's | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
priorities. This is a unique opportunity for him and this | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
change in mental health. And to change in mental health. And to | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
deliver real quality change. I thank my right honourable friend, can I | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
pay tribute to his own work as chair of the committee, and indeed to all | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
colleagues in the house who have raised these issues over a period of | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
time and partly through their own personal experiences and bravery in | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
talking about them have helped them in a process that we are engaged on. | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
Yes we have a great opportunity, we have got a 10-year vision set out by | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
the task force, we have got a commitment from the NHS. We have a | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
top level, on all sides of the house, a commitment to this. I hope | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
that we will see an opportunity to develop services as people would | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
have wanted and for which in all honesty they have waited too long. | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
Can I welcome the task force report and also can I welcome the | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
government's reaction to it, the minister, of state did indicate that | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
there was ?1 billion being made available by 2021, I'm wondering | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
what relationship there will be with that and the devolved institutions | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. And if there is any | :38:35. | :38:41. | |
consequences for finances there? Although Mr Speaker I read the | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
answers to my own questions, I can't recall on this, the honourable | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
gentleman has caught me out on something I don't generally know the | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
answer to. I will write to him or put an answer in the library dealing | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
with devolved administrations, I think we're talking about | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
responsibility for England because this is a devolved matter. In terms | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
of the development of the mental health services, there is good close | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
cooperation between officials and that will certainly continue. I will | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
make sure that there is an answer in the finances in the library. Mr | :39:14. | :39:21. | |
Speaker, the work that the Minister is outlining, has in my mind being | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
one of the most important pieces of work in this Parliament and I | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
welcome the investment, can I just build on the comment from Mike on | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
the wall friend -- from my honourable friend, on this stigma | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
side of mental health. With depression being one of the most | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
terrible diseases someone could suffer from. Can I also congratulate | :39:42. | :39:48. | |
the writers of Coronation Street, with the Steve Magoffin all | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
storylines that has addressed some stigmas and stereotypes that come | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
with that. I urge my right honourable friend to make sure that | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
as much effort is put into tackling the stigma of mental health as well | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
as the practical investment in services that can also be offered. | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
I thank my honourable friend for his question. I do praise the storyline | :40:10. | :40:16. | |
in Coronation Street, just as much as East Enders who have done a | :40:17. | :40:24. | |
tremendous job in the perinatal story with Stacey over the past few | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
weeks. We much informed, particularly by young people | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
themselves we have worked with, in relation to change. It is a terrible | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
thing. It has been partly responsible for the breaking of the | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
link between physical and mental health. One of the things the task | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
force recommended and the government is going to deliver on, is to make | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
sure more people with mental health problems have their physical issues | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
related to, so we can have this terrible issue of a different | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
mortality ratio between those with mental health difficulties and | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
others. And dealing with stigma to make sure people can come forward. I | :41:05. | :41:13. | |
thank the Minister for his statement and acknowledged the work of the | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
task force report. Can I encourage the Minister, along with his | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
colleague, take a particular interest in mental health in-school | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
training programme, which has been specifically developed by a number | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
of practitioners to ensure schools are better equipped to support the | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
mental health and well-being needs of pupils. And to help to safeguard | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
those interests in a system that is designed to run similarly to that of | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
child protection, which schools are obviously well familiar? I know of | :41:46. | :41:54. | |
his long-standing interest on these issues. In England there is a pilot | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
project of 27 schools being run by the Department for Education to | :42:02. | :42:03. | |
locate and identify a single point of contact in those schools for | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
mental health issues for young people. And depending on the results | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
of that, more can be rolled out. Early identification support in | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
school is essential. Artwork is going on. There is a number of | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
different initiatives, sometimes inspired by people who have seen | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
personal tragedies in their families. I have seen some of those, | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
where people have realised a tragedy that has befallen their young | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
person, might not have happened if their friends had been more aware of | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
the circumstances, if school or college had been more aware. We are | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
looking at all of these different initiatives in terms of West | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
practice, but the honourable gentleman was right to raise it. Can | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
I congratulate the Minister for his commitment to this and the | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
government. As he spoke about best practice in his last answer, in | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
Stafford last month we held a round table about mental health. One of | :42:59. | :43:05. | |
the issues that came of local initiatives, both in the public and | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
the NGO sector, but sometimes they didn't know about each other. Could | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
he point us to best practice in this sector? I am happy to do so. As I | :43:16. | :43:26. | |
indicated earlier, one of the things that has perplexed me since being in | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
the role is the variation of practice in different places. At the | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
time when it has never been easier through a lack Nick means to | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
transfer information, get people aware of best practice, it is still | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
difficult to move things around. We need to make sure there is a | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
clearing house, a website of clearing house ideas in areas like | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
this. Sorry? Absolutely. We need to make sure we have got a proper ways | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
to access all the different ideas. I know a lot of work is already put | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
into this and we need to make sure it is easier to access different | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
ideas, but there is a lot going on and a lot can be done in relation to | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
spreading of practice. Exchanges here are not a private conversation. | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
It is quite important from the vantage point of those who take a | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
full and complete record of all proceedings, they can hear what is | :44:26. | :44:26. | |
being said. The Minister has welcomed the work | :44:27. | :44:43. | |
of the task force and its report is very comprehensive. I agree with him | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
entirely. He has said he will look to implement these measures on a | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
rolling programme. Will he, and can we infer from that, he is committed | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
to implementing all of the measures and accepts all of the | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
recommendations? Yes, I think we have indicated we accept all of the | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
recommendations by the task force. What I'd like to do is roll out | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
responses to them over a period of time so very regularly back to the | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
House. But the commitment he have, both in expenditure, training and | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
dealing with the recommendations is clear. Mr Speaker, you wouldn't want | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
to hear all of the private conversations on the floor of the | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
House, nor would be upstairs, but I see the honourable lady quite often | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
over this, it is not unnatural we have the odd exchange over the | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
dispatch box. I must declare an interest as a registered clinical | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
psychologist and I thank the Minister for his commitment and the | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
task force for their report. Considering mental health, the | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
report highlights 40% of people living in care homes after two by | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
depression. This contributes to morbidity. Alongside medical and | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
social care, will the Minister commit to funding for older adults | :46:04. | :46:12. | |
to address the growing older mental health needs? I thank the honourable | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
lady for both her work in relation to this area, her commitment to this | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
area since she has been in the House and being at a National Autistic | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
Society event last night. Can I look at that particular suggestion? It is | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
recognised with the growing incidence of dementia and other | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
issues, those in care homes increasingly frail, of course there | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
will be need for further specialised work. Can I look at that area in | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
particular and come back to her in due course. Urgent question, Mr | :46:47. | :46:54. | |
Chris Bryant. Mr Speaker, Wilbur leader of the House make a statement | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
on the government consultation on shorter money? Minister, John | :46:58. | :47:07. | |
Penrose. I am happy to confirm since we last discuss this topic on the | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
day the House rose the recess, we have completed the steps I promised | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
at the time. On the 12th of February I tabled the statutory implements to | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
change policy development grants in line with the recommended changes | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
put forward by the Independent electoral commission. Last Thursday, | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
the deputy leader of the House and myself tabled a request for views | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
about potential similar changes to short money. Therefore I hope the | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
how's and appreciate why I am responding. Both forms of taxpayer | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
funding for political parties are strong and since short money is more | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
valuable, it seems sensible to take a similar approach. The request for | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
views asks important questions. The cost of short money has gone up why | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
50% since 2010. And by a whopping 68% by the end of this Parliament, | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
if nothing is done. At a time when everybody else outside Westminster | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
has had to tighten their belts, why should politicians expectedly | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
treated differently, feathering their own nests at the tax payer's | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
expense. The rises in short money are linked to the retail price index | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
inflation every year. Benefits claimants get rises linked to the | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
lower consumer price index inflation each year. So how can any politician | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
look their constituents in the eye and say they deserve a bigger rise | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
every year and someone who is looking for a job or on a pension, | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
or living with a disability? The rises in short money also linked to | :48:42. | :48:44. | |
the number of votes cast at elections. This is contributed this | :48:45. | :48:54. | |
year to an enormous 30% increase from 7.4 quarter of ?1 million to | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
almost 9.5 million pounds earlier this year. How can this be justified | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
when many vital public services of having to cope with cuts of 19%. | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
Short money is also notably and transparent, it is tax payer's money | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
after all, but there is no requirements to publish details on | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
how it is spent. There are, rightly, requirements on the development | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
grants and pretty much every area of government funding. How can it be | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
right in the modern age, the politicians do expect to be given a | :49:28. | :49:37. | |
load of hard earned taxpayer's cash, more than ?35 million in total since | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
2010 for the Labour Party, without at least explaining how it gets | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
spent? And finally, the distribution of short money between parties | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
throws up some odd results. Ukip, with one MP gets 688 thousand | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
pounds, although the honourable gentleman has, in a principled | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
stand, turned it down. While the Green party, also with one MP get | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
less than a third of that. It makes sense to ask if this can be | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
improved. These are important questions which need to be answered. | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
The request for views runs until March the 7th, so there is plenty of | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
time for all sides of the House to submit their views and opinions. | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
There will be plenty of time to debate these issues here or in | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
Westminster Hall. We are off to a flying start and I will take | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
contributions from everybody here today in the spirit of constructive | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
submissions and suggestions in answer to the questions, which the | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
request for views has raised. That is all very well, at short money has | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
absolutely nothing to do with the Cabinet Office. It is House | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
business, not government is must. The point is it enables Parliament | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
to do it is in this properly. The accounting officer is not the | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
permanent Secretary of the Cabinet Office, it is the clerk of this | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
House. And the leader of the House should be doing his job properly and | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
answering questions. Can this minister confirm that any changes | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
will have to be debated and voted on the floor of this House? Can he | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
confirm that big cars this is House business, it will not subject to a | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
government whip? This is the saltiest so-called concentration I | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
have ever come across. It deliberately forgets to mention that | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
short money is linked to how many seats and how many votes all the | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
opposition parties got at a general election. So the main reason short | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
money has increased in 2015, is because this government has a much | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
smaller majority than the Labour government or the Coalition | :51:48. | :51:49. | |
Government and the opposition party has got more seats and votes than in | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
previous parliaments. Can the Minister confirm, contrary to what | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
he says, this isn't an 19% cut, with inflation it is a 24% cut. How can | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
that be right when the Chancellor has increased the cost of his | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
political office to the taxpayer, by 204%? Or is there one rule for the | :52:10. | :52:16. | |
opposition and quite another for the government. The minister said last | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
time, the cost and number of taxpayer Tory special advisers, the | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
only bitty is responsible for, is coming down. But that is not true | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
either. Since the general election, that figure has gone up. Will the | :52:31. | :52:37. | |
government be taking an 19% cut on the 1st of April? No, I don't | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
suppose they will. The consultation published in the half term recess, | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
he should be ashamed of himself, and allows 11 working days for responses | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
and then seems to intend to implement a decision less than three | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
weeks later. The lack of time to the two Conservative chaired select | :52:56. | :53:03. | |
committees that have expressed an interest in an enquiry, complete | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
those enquiries? People will conclude this government is | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
developing a nasty, authoritarian streak and an overweening executive | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
wants to crush all opposition because they are afraid of scrutiny. | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
When we were in government we troubled short money and the Tories | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
didn't hesitate to bank ?46 million. So we won't take any lessons from | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
the Minister. When I was deputy leader of the House, some people | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
suggested the we should cut short money. We said no, democracy is | :53:37. | :53:45. | |
worth protecting. This isn't a consultation and cutting the cost of | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
politics, we would welcome that. It is a pernicious ultimatum and the | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
government should withdraw it and let it is prepared to put spuds on | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
the table as well. To quote the Minister himself, why should the | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
government be treated any different from the opposition, feathering | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
their own nest West remarked that is what they are doing. Mr Speaker, I | :54:05. | :54:15. | |
am happy to reassure the honourable gentleman the cost of Spads has | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
fallen since the general election. I would also point out to him at the | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
request for views is entirely clear about the various different causes | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
of the rise in short money. It also asks for consultation, views and | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
expressions of how it might be amended point, by point. You are | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
wrong about the way the request for views is done. I would further point | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
out, even if there are no changes to some of the proposals in the request | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
for views, the Labour Party will still receive more funding in real | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
terms, than the Conservative Party did in 2009, 20 ten. They will | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
receive an estimated ?11 million of taxpayer's money over this | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
Parliament. There will be no real reduction in cash terms, in fact a | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
small increase in cash terms even after a 19% cut compared to 2014, 20 | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
15. Mr Speaker, I was hoping for a more construct of response. I was | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
hoping for a more balanced response, I was hoping for something I could | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
use as a set of proposals to respond to the request for views. That has | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
not in what we have had and I deeply regret it. My hope there is time for | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
us to move forward in a constructive pattern. Can I thank my honourable | :55:37. | :55:44. | |
friend for launching a consultation which we have to confess seemed to | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
be lacking earlier in this process. That is obviously a step forward. It | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
is legitimate to ask the question as to whether it costs more or less to | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
run an opposition on how big the majority of the government is the | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
official opposition is a function that can be carried out regardless | :56:07. | :56:13. | |
of the number of seeds that it has. Can I assure my honourable friend, | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
my committee will continue to take an interest in this matter. Although | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
I hope it can be resolved rather more consensually than today's | :56:22. | :56:22. | |
exchanges. I thank durable friend for his | :56:23. | :56:32. | |
comments, particularly about resolving things more consensually. | :56:33. | :56:39. | |
I await the conclusions of this community, and it must make us at | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
least ask the question about what the proper cost of running an | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
opposition should be. The official opposition or indeed some of the | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
other opposition parties. They do not necessarily vary depending on | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
election which the current system election which the current system | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
does require for example. Mr Speaker Ida Keren interest as the national | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
secretary of the SNP. It is a good thing, that a consultation is | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
happening, but why just among MPs, what about the public? While there | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
is nothing wrong in principle of reducing the cost of politics, could | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
we reduce the cost and number of special advisers and the house of | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
lords. Given the proximity to the end of the financial year, when will | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
the government confirmed the position of when they employ, what | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
the settlement will actually be. Mr Speaker, the conclusions of the | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
views will depend on what views are expressed. I don't want to prejudge | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
that, they will have a want to promptly move, so that they have | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
maximum time for planning and certainty. I regard short money as a | :57:50. | :58:01. | |
critical part of our democracy, but given the comparison, the realistic | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
comparison with special advisers and the steps that this government is | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
taken to have transparency of senior special advisers, does the Minister | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
not think that it is appropriate for the opposition to have greater | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
transparency around the salaries of their senior appointed researchers. | :58:18. | :58:26. | |
Mr Speaker, my honourable friend who was involved with administering both | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
short money and policy development grants before he came into this | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
house knows what he speaks of. I think he is absolutely right that it | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
is essential that we demand the same degree of transparency on taxpayers | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
money for all areas and that should include the cost that is already | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
transparent but also what money is being spent by both positive grants | :58:48. | :58:54. | |
and also short money equally. I have no problem at all about the | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
transparency that has just been asked for, the Minister is a decent | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
man, I think he has been tasked with doing somebody else's business. What | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
he is proposing is not actually the cost of politics because if it was, | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
he would also be proposing the cut in the budget for special advisers. | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
This is actually about gagging the opposition. Would the Minister scrap | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
this rushed consultation, abandon the attack on the scrutiny of | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
government and look again at how the cost of politics can be reduced, by | :59:23. | :59:28. | |
including for instance chopping the budget for special advisers. I thank | :59:29. | :59:35. | |
the rubble gentleman for his kind comments about me, and as a member | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
of the whips office in the last government, I reciprocate of course. | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
I would say that there are other ways of cutting, he is right, | :59:44. | :59:49. | |
debility juju is the number of MPs in this house. There is another | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
example. -- the ability to reduce the number. I would not want to | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
limit to just this but I don't think that should be the enemy of doing | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
this either. I think it is sensible and I hope that we can rely on his | :00:04. | :00:10. | |
support for this. Having a hand in the creation of the grant and also | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
arguing vigorously for short money increases when we were in | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
opposition, I feel that, I have had to look carefully before arguing for | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
anything other, that this needs to be reconsidered, this decision for | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
such a substantial cut. It does seem to be, unacceptable that it is being | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
introduced in one year. Everybody understands the need for financial | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
stringency and for this house to take its share of those reductions, | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
but could the Minister at least look to whether that reduction can be | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
phased, and could the Minister also pick up carefully the point that has | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
been made about special advisers, which have grown enormously, both | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
under the Labour government, we got in the Coalition Government up to | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
about 110 and it has been reduced a little bit recently. But still these | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
numbers are very large and do provide a lot of assistance, to the | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
government, and I think, there is although not asymmetry, elation ship | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
between those two numbers. To look at short money would be a stake in | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
isolation. Can I start by reassuring my honourable friend, we are not | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
talking about a cut but a slower rise, the cost of short money has | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
already risen by 50% since 2010, this is a very significant amount of | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
money already. And also we are talking about reducing the amount of | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
rise that would otherwise if nothing else was done, continue to be | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
ratcheted up between now and the end of the parliament. I would also say | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
to him that the cost of special advisers is still lower than the | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
total cost put together of government funding from positive | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
development grants, short money from other sources. Therefore I think | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
that while I agree with him that it is not directly compatible, and | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
there is some kind of symmetry, I'm sure that he is reassured that this | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
bad salary bill is lower than the funding of opposition parties. -- | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
the special adviser salary bills. Can the Minister qualified as | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
regards policy development grants and how it ties in with the | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
proposals and use of the electoral commission? The Independent | :02:30. | :02:39. | |
electoral commission has undertaken a fairly careful consultation over | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
some period of time and has made some recommendations. The statutory | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
instrument that I mention in my remarks, deals with some of those | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
but not all of them. How we perceive with the remainder of the electoral | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
the fact that the obvious parallels the fact that the obvious parallels | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
between short money, we thought it was sensible to have one set of | :03:03. | :03:09. | |
answers before we did the others. Policy money, has increased by 60% | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
since 2010 -- short money. Is that really justifiable when councils of | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
all colours are making very large efficiency savings, surely taxpayer | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
funded political parties can do the same. It is absolutely right that | :03:24. | :03:32. | |
people outside this place, the Westminster bubble, we'll look at | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
our discussions today and they will not understand why politicians feel | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
that they should be treated separately, why they think that the | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
politicians should treat themselves as a special case. They will look at | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
what has happened to their budget and will say that what is sauce for | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
the goose should be sauce for the political gander as well. Setting | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
aside for the moment, the detail for the request for views, can he say | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
what the effect would have on scrutiny and the comfort or | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
discomfort that the executive feels as it goes about its business? Mr | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
Speaker has mentioned before, the amount of short money has already | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
gone up by 50% since 2010, so opposition parties have a great deal | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
more money in which to do the job than they had before. I would just | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
referring back to the comment, the lady from Ukip, he has pointed out | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
that the costs of research and many other political functions are now | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
potentially lower, and it is certainly reasonable to expect given | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
what has been asked of many other government departments and local | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
authorities, for people to work more efficiently in future. I think the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
public will be astonished that full accounts do not have two be | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
published, in the age of transparency. How is the minister | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
going to put that right? I devoutly hope that the response of this will | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
be an increase of transparency. We already have an improvement in | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
transparency on taxpayer funded spending, we already had | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
transparency that is far better for short money on policy development | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
grants, a very similar to find -- similar kind of grant so it is out | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
of step to assume that short money should be magically exempt. Thank | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
you very much Mr Speaker, I would challenge the minister if I might Mr | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
Speaker because identity this money is being for politicians, it is for | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
our staff and support teams. It is essential that we have the staff and | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
support teams so that we deliver well for our constituents and the | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
people that we serve. Transparency is not an issue, none of us that I | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
am aware of in this house would dispute transparency. Any move | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
towards transparency would be broadly supported but the problem is | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
this, my arithmetic seems to have gone awry here. Because my figures | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
tell me that in 2010, the Chancellor employed for special advisers at a | :06:05. | :06:15. | |
total cost of 2000 -- 230,000 to day he has ten special advisers, how can | :06:16. | :06:23. | |
the Minister defend a 24% cut for those of us trying to make things | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
work, and a 204% rise for those in the Chancellor 's office? The chance | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
lap spikes special advice team is to speak now costs more than the total | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
cost of policy development grants for all of us here, the TU P, Playa | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
Comrie, Scottish National party, the Chancellor gets more than we do. As | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
I have mentioned before, the cost of special advisers has fallen since | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
the last general election, and Gordon Brown when he was Chancellor | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
had more special advisers than the current Chancellor, he had more | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
Spads, and the average salary of a special adviser is currently ?2000 | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
less than under Gordon Brown's government in 2009. Short money | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
quite rightly exists to enable opposition parties to undertake | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
scrutiny and Parliamentary duties therefore many of my constituents | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
will find it hard to understand the funding received by Sinn Fein men | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
are members neither attend this house nor participate in its | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
activities, will my honourable friend undertake to look at this | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
anomaly? The funding received, by Sinn Fein has for a long time been | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
looked at as a separate and parallel consideration subject to a separate | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
resolution of this has and I would expect that to continue to have | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
special separate consideration. Could the government's that | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
announcement it will be cutting short money, can I urge them to | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
stick to guns. Don't retreat, the signs special pleading from critical | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
parties wanting to get their hands on taxpayers cash is disgraceful. | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Can I urge my ministers not only to slash short money but to insist that | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
all put to good parties publish fully audited accounts on what they | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
spend that money on, as my party will be, so we can see what they | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
spend their money on. Mr Speaker I find myself in strong agreement with | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
the honourable gentleman's point. It is a timeworn phrase but it bears | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
representation, sunlight is the best disinfectant. I'm sure that the | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
Minister would agree that it is vital that the government secures | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
value for money and given the purpose of the short money, to | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
provide a credible opposition, would he agree that what we have seen | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
today, the announcement of nuclear submarines without nuclear missile | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
shows that much of it has been completely squandered. I hesitate to | :09:05. | :09:13. | |
follow my honourable friend down that path. But if short money has | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
gone up by 50% since 2010, we now have an incredible opposition | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
instead. Since with one exception of what we have just heard there is | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
such a strong feeling on opposition benches for what the government is | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
intending to do is to undermine the work of opposition, would it not be | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
sensible to do what was done originally when short money was | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
introduced, namely to have constructive talks with the | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
opposition. With no ultimatum in the beginning or in order to reach a | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
fair settlement. I rather hope that it would elicit a strong and | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
constructive response. I am afraid that has not been visible so far. | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
Nonetheless, I hope that it perhaps may change between now and the end | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
of the period of the request. I would also point out that because we | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
are facing a deficit, time is pressing, and we have less fiscal | :10:12. | :10:22. | |
slack. Will this short money reforms mean that the opposition parties | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
will have two name and give the salaries of their special advisers? | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
Although I don't know their renewed oration, I think they are hugely | :10:32. | :10:40. | |
overpaid! Mr Speaker, given the level of transparency, which is | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
rightly expected when employing spads, it is reasonable to answer an | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
equivocal level of transparency on how Short Money is spent on people | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
like Damien Wright, who I understand has just rejoined the Labour Party's | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
payroll and also Seamus Milne as well. The Minister talks about | :11:01. | :11:09. | |
savings to the taxpayer, but can he confirm any savings that will be | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
made by these proposals be dwarfed by the extra cost to the public | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
purse as a result of the Prime Minister's prolific rate of | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
appointment to the other place? Actually, the cost of the House of | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Lords is falling, I am told, even while its numbers are rising. So the | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
cost to the public purse will be reduced as a result of the changes | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
happening at the other end. However, on his broader point about whether | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
or not this amount of money is worthwhile, at the risk angering my | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
colleagues from Scotland, it matters what we save and it matters we pay | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
attention to every single detail, given the scale of the deficit we | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
inherited from the last Labour government. Mr Speaker, the Minister | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
will recognise that these to be consensus in the House around | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
transparency. Would it be fair, given the government has reduced its | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
travel costs within its time in government, the opposition should | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
publicise its travel costs and the amount they pay the special advisers | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
of and down the country? I will take it as a constructive request in | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
request for views. Given the increase in costs since 2009 of | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
spads by 56%, the proposed cut in the Short Money of 24% over four | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
years is disgraceful. Isn't the Minister ashamed of his government's | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
attack on democracy? I think we have already covered these points. The | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
level of Short Money has gone up by 50% already, gone up by 30% in the | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
last year. I think people listening to these exchanges will be asking | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
is, how much does it cost to run an opposition and why do politicians | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
feel they are so much more deserving of cash van example benefits | :13:08. | :13:15. | |
claimants, whose money has not risen by nowhere near as much speed. Given | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
the performance of the Leader of the Opposition, maybe we should take the | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
opposition money away completely? Mr Speaker, I will take that as a | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
suggestion and a proposal. I suspect the weight of views across the House | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
may be rather against that and people do feel there is a place for | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
Short Money if it is properly reformed, in the same way there is | :13:44. | :13:53. | |
proper funding and it can function. Again, I will ask the question, with | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
the cost of government spads rising, will the Minister concede a | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
disgraceful 24% cut to opposition party's scrutiny funds is a case of | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
double standards and an impediment to the scrutiny, by the opposition | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
is of the executive? I would respectfully disagree with the | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
honourable lady. If only because the cost of spads has fallen since the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
general election. And the cost of spads will still remain lower than | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
the total funding for opposition parties. Spending Short Money is | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
unnecessarily opaque. It needs consultation. Will my honourable | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
friend seek representation from senior and numerous members of the | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
opposition, as to whether they think the taxpayer, and indeed their own | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
party, gets value for money for the likes of Seamus Milne? Mr Speaker, I | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
will take submissions from any member of this House, on any side of | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
this House, as to what would involve good value for money. But he is | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
right to question, what is value for money, how much does it cost to run | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
an opposition of this and can we make sure it is done as efficiently | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
as possible with taxpayer's cash? The fact is the number of special | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
advisers has gone up to 96. The Prime Minister has appointed a | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
record 236 peers to the other place. Meanwhile, the government has | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
introduced the lobbying act, is attempting to gag the trade unions | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
and is cutting the Short Money. This shows the government is not | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
interested in cutting the cost of politics, it is absolutely clear, | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
they want to silence any opposition in this country! I am afraid I don't | :15:49. | :15:56. | |
accept the premise of the honourable lady's question. We are, at the same | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
time, proposing to cut the number of MPs in this place. We are very | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
serious about putting the cost of politics and I therefore hope, | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
people will, in that spirit contribute to this request for views | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
in a constructive fashion. Does the Minister agree with me that my | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
constituents at least have the right to see as much transparency as | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
possible in how Short Money is being spent. For all they know it could be | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
being used by honourable members to help them right there but is? I'm | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
sure the opposition, any of the opposition parties would not spend | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
taxpayer's money in such a disrespectful fashion. I'm sure they | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
have nothing to hide and sure they will not be concerned about | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
increased proposals for transparency. Can the Minister | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
confirm this will have to be done by a resolution of the whole House? If | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
so, does he have a date in mind for such a resolution? It is as usual on | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
these things, there will have to be a proposal which has already been | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
laid for policy development grants. And we will come a proposal the shot | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
money, it has to be passed by a resolution in this House. She is | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
absolutely right. Will the Minister confirm during the consultation he | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
will specifically look at protect Ding and supporting the interests of | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
minority parties? He have a huge, important role to play in this | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
Parliament, especially when we have such a divided and weak official | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
opposition? I gave in my initial remarks, an illustration of some of | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
the peculiarities and distribution of Short Money. I illustrated by | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
comparison is received by Ukip and the Greens, but there are other | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
examples and members from smaller opposition parties will be able to | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
say why they feel they are being over remunerated or under. It is | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
sensible to ask the question how it can be improved and whether the | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
basis of allocation can be made that. Cutting the cost of politics, | :18:10. | :18:18. | |
the minister says. Cutting the number of elected MPs whilst I think | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
the other place full of his mates. Cutting support to opposition | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
parties whilst greatly increasing the number of special advisers in | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
government. If he wants to cut the cost of politics, can he tell this | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
House, why the Conservative Party has claimed one point 27 million | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
pounds since 2010 in policy development grants? The allocations | :18:41. | :18:50. | |
of money are based on recommendations from the independent | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
electoral commission, not by proposals from the government. I | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
would also point out to him, we are practising what we preach because in | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
previous years the allocation of policy grounds has been scaled back. | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
We have handed some of the money back, about wanting to cut the cost | :19:08. | :19:18. | |
of politics. With a national debt of ?1.5 trillion, ?24,000 for every | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
man, woman and child in this country and some government departments | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
making heroic efforts to curb back-office functions, like the | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
Ministry of Justice cutting 50% of its back office functions, what | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
possible signal does it send out to the country and the civil servants | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
doing those jobs, to see some political parties are refusing even | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
to engage with sensible reforms of their own funding? I couldn't agree | :19:45. | :19:52. | |
more. The general public will not understand why politicians feel we | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
should be a special case. They will listen to this debate and say, why | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
should they think they are in any way deserving of better treatment | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
than people on benefits and struggling with the budget. Why | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
should they get a special deal? I don't think the general public will | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
understand why in the Cabinet Office, there are 50 press and | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
communication of this. In the Ministry of Justice there are 42 | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
external commissioners. Shouldn't the government tighten its own belt | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
and cut its own cloth first? The government is putting its own House | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
in order, we have made dramatic savings over the course of the last | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
Parliament and we continue to make further savings across the whole of | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
government. 19% for unprotect did departments in this Parliament. I | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
would respectfully refused the honourable lady's starting | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
assumption. In the last Parliament I was an adviser to the then shadow | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
secretary of state along with one other part-time member of staff. The | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
government ministered had for special advisers, a series of | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
private offices and hundreds of press officers and policy advisers. | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
Will he accept Short Money is the minimum requirement for opposition | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
in a healthy parliamentary democracy? If it is the minimum | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
requirement, perhaps he can answer why it is so much higher now than it | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
was five years ago in real terms, and why is it so much higher than | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
would be, still higher than it was in 2014, 15. If the costs of running | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
an opposition are consistent and maybe even potentially lower than | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
they used to be, the current levels of Short Money, having risen so far, | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
must be an over budget on something which can be saved. Statement, the | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
Parliamentary undersecretary of state this transport. Minister, | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
Claire Perry. With permission, I would like to make a statement to | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
the House. I am delighted to announce today that from December | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
2018, the Crossrail route will be known as Elizabeth line. It will be | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
marked on the nation's transport maps in royal purple. Today, Her | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
Majesty took part in a naming ceremony at Bond Street station | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
where she met some of those responsible for delivering your's | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
most complicated engineering project, now more than 70% complete | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
and running on budget and on time. Her Majesty has served our country | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
for over 60 years. She has been a symbol of wisdom, of continuity and | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
of stability in an age of unprecedented change. She has long | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
been associated with many aspects of this nation's transport. Our Queen | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
opened the Victoria line service in 1969. The fleet line was renamed the | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
Jubilee line in honour of her first 25 years on the throne in 1979. She | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
is the first reigning Monarch to travel on the London Underground. | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
More recently, Her Majesty has opened the redeveloped Redding and | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
Birmingham new Street stations and Heathrow Airport's new terminal two | :23:10. | :23:18. | |
building. I am told trains are Her Majesty's favourite form of travel | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
and she is a frequent user of the Royal train, but also scheduled | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
train services. I hope Her Majesty will consider an invitation to | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
travel on the first passenger train that will pass through the Elizabeth | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
line's tunnels in December 20 18. Even before that date, this project | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
is breaking new ground, it is not just the largest infrastructure | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
project in Europe, it is the most technically challenging and the most | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
ambitious. In a little over three years, working through night and | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
day, the thousands of members working on the project, have dug 26 | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
miles of tunnels under London. And thanks to their work, the line is | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
now over 70% complete. In May of this year, sorry, of lush, Transport | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
for London began operating the first section of what will become the | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
Elizabeth line route to Shenfield. Network Rail has completed most of | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
the work to connect to this line to the existing rail network. In Derby, | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
as I have seen for myself, bombarding is building the first | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
carriage of the first Crossrail train. A British built train for a | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
great British rail line. When the Elizabeth line fully opens in | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
December 2018, it will change dramatically, the way people travel | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
round London and the south-east. It will ring annex 1.5 million people | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
within a 45 minutes commuting distance of London's key business | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
areas. It will increase the total railway capacity by 10% in the South | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
East, adding much-needed capacity to some very crowded lines. It will | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
support our ambition of citywide regeneration and faster and better | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
journey times for passengers. I am pleased to confirm that all 40 | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
Elizabeth line stations will be step free, so they are access the ball to | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
all. We are very proud of this investment, but it is not just about | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
the current project work. This project will bring a lasting skills | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
legacy to Britain. And in particular skills legacy that will benefit many | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
thousands of women. As Terry Morgan, the current project chairman has | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
said, Crossrail has always been more than a transport project. It has | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
been a blueprint on how infrastructure should be built in | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
this country in the future. This construction site is a sophisticated | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
place requiring communication skills, the ability to multitask and | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
manage complex project, working teams and win the trust of clients | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
and site neighbours. All skills that make these projects natural projects | :26:03. | :26:03. | |
for women to work. And so as a result of this project, | :26:04. | :26:17. | |
it has broken new ground in a diversity of its workforce. Women | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
make up almost called from those in his graduate programme and these are | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
people who will go on to become the future leaders in this industry. Of | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
the 10,000 people working on cross well, nearly one third are women. So | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
through Crossrail, we are now forging careers that we never full | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
possible fact we were able to celebrate here and in a cross-party | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
reception which we called she is building it. Mr Speaker, Crossrail, | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
soon to be called Elizabeth line. The Olympics, Reading and Birmingham | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
new Street Station is our rid jubilate in the image and economic | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
sob British engineering. -- jubilate in the image. And opening up | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
opportunities for the best and the brightest among women. I know people | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
working on the Crossrail project are already immensely proud of the | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
legacy they are helping to create and I have to believe that their | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
pride can only be enhanced by the announcement today, that this | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
amazing ground-breaking engineering project will for ever be known by | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
the name of our sovereign, Queen Elizabeth. Mr Speaker with | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
permission I commend this statement to the house. Mr Speaker, I'm very | :27:29. | :27:40. | |
grateful to the Minister, on my own behalf and Her Majesty 's opposition | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
I am happy to be able to welcome this announcement today. Crossrail | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
has had cross-party support over its lengthy gestation period, and they | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
will be considerable benefits. The naming of the line as the Elizabeth | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
line is very much welcomed by members of this, we have been very | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
used to the title Crossrail, of itself the renaming is a significant | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
improving on cross London Railways Limited. Elisabeth is a much more | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
fitting title, which will so benefit better transport of millions of | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
passengers from Reading in the West to Shenfield in the east, given the | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
enormous public commitment that has gone into developing the Crossrail | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
brand, will she give us an assurance that the Crossrail brand and livery | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
will continue to be used? Mr Speaker I would like pay tribute, to the | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
last Labour government that took forward the Crossrail plan, that | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
decided that the rail link should go ahead. Alistair Darling who is the | :28:50. | :28:58. | |
Secretary of State, announced, that Labour supported the East- West | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
roadway link, to enable Crossrail to proceed, which was critical in | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
turning the aspiration and ambition of Crossrail to reality. One of the | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
first considerations of the previous Coalition Government was to consider | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
cancelling the Crossrail project altogether so we on this side of the | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
house are delighted not only that the project is back on track so to | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
speak but that the government's conversion in support of Crossrail | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
was embracing, so they have not just given the project its full backing | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
but dedicating the project to Her Majesty and we give our support. We | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
all expect, the Elizabeth line, to change the face of the Southeast so | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
I would like to draw the Minister's focus, it is largely on-time and on | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
budget, can the Minister confirm that Crossrail will indeed open on | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
schedule, will she inform the house of what lessons have been learned | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
from the successes of Crossrail that can be applied to HS two. The | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
Crossrail service will share the great Western name line to Reading | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
but sadly the electrification has slipped and will cost more than | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
first estimated. Will the Minister take this opportunity to confirm to | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
the house, that the rescheduling of electrification, to Reading will be | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
completed in time for the opening of the Elizabeth line? Finally Mr | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
Speaker I'm delighted that after 35 years of planning and abandonment, | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
Crossrail finally broke ground on the 15th of May 2009 at Canary | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
Wharf, the Mayor of London, and the noble Lord Adonis, sunk the first | :30:38. | :30:49. | |
bit. As we come to a conclusion to one of undoubtedly the most | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
magnificent engineering, we can remember the name Crossrail with | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
much affection, and while Crossrail is not dead, I wish the Elizabeth | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
line a great long and successful life. Thank you very much Mr | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
Speaker, it is a delight to share has we often do a cross-party view | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
that is in total agreement break comes to transport infrastructure. I | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
would like to answer some of the questions, Crossrail branding will | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
apply for now, the intention is from December 2018 that Elizabeth line | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
branding will come to pass. Particularly with the trains | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
currently under construction, it is not an expensive item to repaint and | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
rebrand. There are no costs associated with this welcome | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
decision. He asked me about lessons that have been learned, by all | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
associated with Crossrail that can be applied to Network Rail, I would | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
argue that they are lessons that can be applied more broadly because some | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
things that work very well is that the project has stuck to its guns, | :31:50. | :31:57. | |
to its knitting. It has resisted demands for changes, deviations, it | :31:58. | :32:00. | |
has proceeded with an original plan and has liver that plan very | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
effectively. It crucially has led I think, blazed a trail in terms of | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
engagement both with communities who worry affected by the work, it is | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
surprisingly few go and visit a station how little people around | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
that station actually realise that work is going on. That is a tribute | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
to the care and consideration and engagement. And of course, it has | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
enormously important things with the supply chain because the majority of | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
the supply contracts are being let to companies outside of the | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
Southeast and in many cases to SMEs, two very important lessons for the | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
future. He is right to talk about the questions of bringing it on | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
budget and on time, I wanted to emphasise that this is part of the | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
careful planning, his question about the vital linkage, between the | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
Crossrail lines and the great Western main lines to the West, I am | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
happy to confirm that that work is happening on time and again on | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
budget, that will absolutely be in place in order to make sure that | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
this line is running well. It is an enormous priority to make sure that | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
those first trains can run from December 20 18. Mr Speaker I | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
strongly welcome the Minister statement today, can she guarantee | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
that this final 30% of the construction process, we will be | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
trumpeting the use of British Steel wherever possible? I'm happy to | :33:29. | :33:36. | |
confirm that absolutely, 85% of the supply chain providing steel is | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
UK-based and the 57 kilometres of rails that run through the central | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
tunnel are 100% provided by UK steel suppliers, and I'm not sure that the | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
honourable gentleman also welcome the fact that 61% of the firms that | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
have one work associated with him tire project are based outside of | :33:55. | :34:02. | |
London. Can I also thank the Minister for an advanced copy of the | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
statement. Can I welcome and increased opportunity, to support | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
it, women, it is a message that we need more opportunities for them. I | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
would also welcome the aspects of welcoming, it is an important | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
factor. This to Speaker, a change of name can be a very invigorating | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
thing, we found in Scotland that a change in the name of the Scottish | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
pig exited to the Scottish Government gave a sense of purpose, | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
-- the Scottish executive to the Scottish Government. The royal theme | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
I think is continued in Scotland by the Queensferry Crossing, a name | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
change that was done by public vote and I wonder if the Minister could | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
tell us how the name, the mechanism that we got two for renaming | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
Crossrail today because the public certainly embrace that with some | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
figure. The Minister also describes that as a great British rail line, | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
can she guarantee that all of the ticket machines on the new Elizabeth | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
line will be able to accept Scottish notes so that we can actually do | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
that. Mr Speaker the Scottish Government according to figures | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
announced just last weekend is investing twice as much per person | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
in transport as in England and has spent more per head in improving | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
infrastructure than all of the other nations in the UK since the SNP came | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
to power in 2007. I'm glad to see some ambition coming for, can we see | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
some more of it, to make sure that the people of the nations of the UK | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
are better connected? I thank the ruble gentleman for a very important | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
list of questions, he is right to focus as we are doing about the | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
diverse city opportunities that have opened up. Too often I think that | :35:50. | :35:58. | |
people think of engineering skills, involving joining a club, it is not, | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
it is a high-tech world where you will spend more time with a laptop | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
than a spanner. It is thanks to the record investment entrance port | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
infrastructure going forward. It is one where we would like to attract | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
more women. There are subtle changes, the so-called man cage, has | :36:16. | :36:23. | |
been renamed at the suggestion of a very feisty woman, as a people | :36:24. | :36:33. | |
basket. The honourable gentleman has asked me about it, I'm sure, that if | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
we put it to the British people in a referendum, if they have not got | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
referendum fatigue, that this decision will be overwhelmingly | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
supported. Of course, the Queen did approve the decision. I think the | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
genesis of this is that she is our longest serving monarch, she has | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
been on the throne for 64 years and it is a very fitting tribute that | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
this name change will coincide with the length of that rain. The | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
honourable gentleman asked me about Scottish pound notes, based on my | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
experience with Scottish cabbies, many people do not believe that it | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
is legal tender south of the border I had to say but I will look into | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
it, what I would like is for there to be a revolution in ticket vending | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
machine so that we can use mobile and smart. He raised the question | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
about the importance of infrastructure north of the border, | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
I'm sure like me that he is the light that the West Coast mainline, | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
the vital freight route, has been opened after the devastation at | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
lambing to an viaduct two weeks earlier. I went to see it in the | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
snow with the transport minister from north of the border, it was a | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
difficult site and I think we would all like to pay tribute to the | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
Orange army that delivered that result. I welcome this announcement, | :37:52. | :38:00. | |
and the Minister rightly praises Crossrail the Elizabeth line. De she | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
think that this is a suitable model for rail North, and indeed, the new | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
Northern transport that has just been set up. So that there can be | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
investment in new lines right across the north of England to make the | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
northern Powerhouse a reality. I thank the honourable lady for her | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
support, I think she's right to focus on the parallels here, clearly | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
transport money is best spent when it is to satisfy local demand and | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
drive local economic growth and as this government has done which I'm | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
sure she welcomes, we have setup transport for the north on a | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
stand-alone basis. We have funded it and we have asked that devolved | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
authority to really work on the plans and proposals to drive forward | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
infrastructure and investment. The honourable gentleman, in his opening | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
comments, has referenced Lauderdale is, who I would like to pay tribute | :38:58. | :39:08. | |
to, -- Lord Adonis. Often in the face of other investments. He is now | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
facing up infrastructure commission, which is tasked with looking at, how | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
we best spend, the ongoing investment in infrastructure, for | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
the benefit of the British economy. Crossrail is a complex project, | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
especially wet interchanges with other lines, with an underground, of | :39:30. | :39:42. | |
course HS two. Will the Minister look at that interchange where every | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
company is doing their own thing, it is very poor. Perhaps she might like | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
to get Lord Adonis, if he does what she is talking about. | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
He is right to point out the complexities, some of these tunnels | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
have been tunnelled 30 centimetres away from existing infrastructure | :40:05. | :40:07. | |
under the streets of London. He is right to point out the complexities | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
of these interchanges. But TEFL, the government and Network Rail working | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
closer with the Park Royal development Corporation, devolved | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
authority to make sure they understand their aspirations for the | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
land on old oak common. It is a balancing act and difficult to get | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
it right for the future, but we will continue to invest on this vital | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
rail infrastructure and make it work for the British economy and Braille | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
passion is across the UK. I agree with what the rail Minister said | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
about Her Majesty and also our brilliant railway staff. As a former | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
Network Rail stuff myself, I work with some fantastic women engineers. | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
Can I offer some constructive criticism? Her statement made more | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
references to Liverpool Street and Liverpool itself. Can I ask the | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
minister now Crossrail is moving towards completion, can she turned | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
her attention is northwards and when will she meet with the delegation | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
from Merseyside to discuss rail services there? The only mention of | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
Liverpool Street is because Crossrail doesn't go north at the | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
moment. The honourable lady, I have great respect for. She will know | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
from her own constituency we have let trick trains running for the | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
first time ever between Manchester and Liverpool. Tangible evidence the | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
government is delivering both on the infrastructure promises in the North | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
but also on rolling stock. She, like me, this should have been phased out | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
a long time ago because it is not fit for purpose to move people | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
around what is a vibrant and growing part of the country, the North. It | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
is this government taking those investment decisions and my door is | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
always open for any delegate who would like to talk on how rail can | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
transform their local economy. Can I add my congratulations to the whole | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
Crossrail team this remarkable feat of engineering and the benefits it | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
will bring to my constituents in Ilford. Paying tribute to the | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
honourable member for Ilford South, chair of the all-party Crossrail | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
route, has uttered strongly for residents in Ilford in terms of | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
longer term benefits. -- batted. I will be joining residents in | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
Aldeburgh hatch to clean for the Queen. So on behalf of my | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
constituents, can I commend those who have come up with this fitting | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
tribute to our longest reigning Monarch for more than 60 years of | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
dedicated public service. I rang him for highlighting the clean for a | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
queen which will have us all putting on rubber gloves in the next few | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
months. He raises an important point, when this House is at its | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
best is when we come together to invest in major pieces of | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
infrastructure we know will transform the lives of those we know | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
it directly benefits, but those who are working for that construction | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
project and supplying into it. An outbreak of cross-party consensus is | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
what we need. We have one with HS2, which came out of committee stage | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
yesterday. That committee has been a labour of love, I think. I am not | :43:31. | :43:37. | |
going to comment on that. But one where spades will be in the ground | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
from 2017 and all these people who have built up the skills of these | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
hundreds of men and women, we now lead the world in soft ground | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
tunnelling. How useful it would be with the Thames Tideway Tunnel and | :43:50. | :43:59. | |
also HS2 work coming on. Can we apply some of the efficiency the | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
minister has spoken about with regards to the Crossrail project, to | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
south-eastern rail, which has been providing an appalling service? Will | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
she agree to meet with the delegation of MPs to discuss how we | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
might be able to do this? He is a long campaign for improved rail | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
services, I hope he received a letter from me a few weeks ago | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
saying I hope to make a decision shortly on the longer went at | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
capacity increases. I know crowding are no strangers something he is | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
concerned about. I hope to have good news on that shortly, but he knows | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
my doors are always open. I am sure if the honourable gentleman received | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
her letter, his happiness will be as unalloyed as hers obviously is | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
today. We are extremely grateful to her. | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
Yes, point of order. Mr Alex Cunningham. They're pleased to be | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
confusion in the government over which department is responsible for | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
making an application to be used Solidarity fund for assistance for | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
the flood hit communities across the North of England. I have found out | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
in December 20 15th, they said it was a DC LG issue. Then it was | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
supposed to be a death threat issue. The deaf secretary said she hadn't | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
ruled out making an application. A week later a civil servant wrote to | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
me saying it was a DC LG matter. Whoever is responsible, the deadline | :45:32. | :45:33. | |
for an application to be made is just days away. The government's | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
confusion and subsequent failure to act will deny communities | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
potentially hundreds of millions of pounds in much-needed help. Could | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
you encourage the government to sort this out, get the minister here and | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
make a statement to be held accountable? Certainly it would help | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
if there were clarity. The honourable gentleman knows it is not | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
a matter for the chair to adjudicate as between what one department might | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
say and what might you said by another. But it is very important | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
members should know which department is responsible and from whom they | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
can expect an authoritative answer. My request therefore to the Treasury | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
bench with be to ensure this matter is clarified, authoritative leak, | :46:22. | :46:29. | |
sooner rather than later. Pursuant to that objective, it might help if | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
the honourable gentleman is in his place for the business question | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
tomorrow in order that he can himself probe the leader of the | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
House about it. Point of order, Mr Gavin Robinson. It was devastating | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
news last week for the Northern Ireland economy to find 1080 jobs | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
lost in bombard EA and in Derby in mainland GB as well. Is it in order | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
to enquire of you whether there have been approaches made by government | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
departments to come to this House, not only to raise a consequence of | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
such a decision but seek assurance that support is there for innovation | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
and aviation in our society? I have received no approach thus far. As | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
far as I am aware. From any member of the government asking to make a | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
statement on the matter. The honourable gentleman can news the | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
order paper in order to pursue his object. Moreover, seized of the | :47:33. | :47:41. | |
importance as he seeded, as the urgency of the matter, he wishes to | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
debate it on the floor of the chamber, he will be aware of the | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
opportunities provided by adjournment debates. I have a hunch | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
he will be seeking to take advantage of those opportunities. Point of | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
order, the shadow leader of the House, Mr Chris Bryant. It is a two | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
headed point of order. It refers to exchanges we had earlier with the | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
Minister for the and is in regards to Short Money. Can you confirm it | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
is true the accounting officer in the Short Money is the clerk of the | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
House, not the permanent Secretary of the Cabinet Office? Has the clerk | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
of the House been consulted in relation to Short Money? This is | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
still the first head... Why is it the vote office was not provided, | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
still hasn't been provided with copies of the consultation when it | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
pertains directly to the House of Commons? And the second point of | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
order is really to say, can you confirm that is a process for | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
ministers correcting the record when they have inadvertently made a | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
mistake? The Cabinet Office minister made about 18 factual errors. But he | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
said there was no cut planned. This is despite the fact his actual | :48:59. | :49:05. | |
document says, by contrast, a 19% reduction will take Short Money | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
back. I don't know what the difference is between a reduction | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
and the cut. I'm sure there is a means of correcting the record. I | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
wonder if we can make a special exemption in the terms of the number | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
of special advisers for the Minister, he is clearly making so | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
many mistakes, it might have been corrected by proper research. Let me | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
answer his two enquiries. First, I can indeed con firm in respect of | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
the Short Money, the accounting officer is the clerk of the House. | :49:38. | :49:45. | |
Whether the clerk has been consulted as the honourable gentleman | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
enquires, I am not at all sure the clerk is well aware, as I am well | :49:51. | :49:59. | |
aware, of the consideration of policy on this matter. Moreover, I | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
have seen a copy of the consultation document. But beyond that, I | :50:05. | :50:14. | |
wouldn't go. Secondly, there is indeed any number of opportunities | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
for a minister, if he believes, or she believes, the record needs to be | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
corrected as a result of an inadvertent misstatement, to be so | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
corrected. Knowing the honourable gentleman as I do, I feel sure he | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
will be looking to see the development of events. And if he is | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
dissatisfied, I have a hunch his dissatisfaction will percolate | :50:41. | :50:43. | |
through his contribution at Isner 's questions tomorrow. Thursday, I am | :50:44. | :50:53. | |
getting ahead of myself. We can just about weight. It will be difficult | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
but we can just about weight for his contribution at this must question | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
on Thursday. Not to say the matter will be raised before them, but it | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
can be on Thursday. I hope that is helpful for an. If there are no | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
further points of order, we come to the ten minute rule motion. Mr Gera | :51:10. | :51:19. | |
rank Davis. I beg to move that leave be given to bring in a bill to make | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
provision about urban air quality targets, to require vehicle | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
emissions targets and testing to reflect on road driving conditions, | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
to provide powers the local authorities to establish lobe diesel | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
emission zones and pedestrian only areas, to restrict the use of roads | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
and urban centres by the use of diesels and make a vision about the | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
promotion and development of electric tram systems, buses and | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
taxis powered by liquid petroleum gas in urban centres as on the order | :51:53. | :52:00. | |
paper. Mr Deputy Speaker, the whole hand of diesel fumes is prematurely | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
killing some thousand people a week in the UK. This air quality bill is | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
designed to put the death by diesel academically face into reverse, save | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
thousands of lives and billions of pounds. The Royal College of | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
physicians and the Royal College of paediatrics and Child health, have | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
published a paper, joint report that shows the killing by diesel is on an | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
industrial scale. 40,000 premature deaths each year. This bill is | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
supported by them, this bill is supported by the British Lung | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
foundation, the British Heart Foundation. Because as we know, and | :52:43. | :52:49. | |
it is becoming aware to all others, air pollution is killing us through | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
lung cancer, diseases like bronchitis, asthma, two strokes and | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
heart attacks, heart disease. Linked to diabetes, obesity and dementia. | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
It is a public health disaster. And losing 6 million working days a | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
year, it is costing our economy 20 billion pounds a year, costing the | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
European economy 240 billion euros a year and killing 380,000 people. | :53:17. | :53:25. | |
Diesel, particulars are absorbed to harm and heard the foetus of | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
pregnant women. It is undermining and affecting low birth rate, organ | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
damage, premature birth and stillbirth. Children in urban areas | :53:36. | :53:44. | |
and polluted areas suffer from lung capacity, children's lung capacity | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
is 10% lower. They suffer lower lung function in later life. Diesel | :53:49. | :54:02. | |
particular 's cause asthma, and they exacerbate asthma. Coughing, asthma | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
attacks, wheezing, worst concentration and memory and worse | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
physical and mental development. They nearer the ground and they | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
more. The first duty of parents is to protect their children. They are | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
unable to protect their children from this poisonous torching they | :54:20. | :54:27. | |
face. In 1952, of course 12,000 people died in the London smog. Yet | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
only today, similar numbers are dying every year due to be | :54:33. | :54:39. | |
invisible, industrial scale fumes being emitted by diesel powered | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
vehicles. Instead of coal fires, the new killer is diesel. Traffic has | :54:44. | :54:51. | |
grown in volume, tenfold in the last 60 years. Much has been done to stop | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
carbon monoxide, sulphur and that, despite the protestations of the | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
motor manufacturers who said it was impossible. Now we face a situation | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
when nitrogen dirk side and particulates of a new catastrophic | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
threat to human life and life expectancy and that threat has grown | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
exponentially. After all, in the 1980s, diesel cars were only 10% of | :55:18. | :55:26. | |
new cars. By 2000 they were 14%. But between then and now, 14% has now | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
become 50% of new cars pumping out diesel particulates. Nitrogen | :55:33. | :55:40. | |
dioxide is. The government wanted and want to reduce carbon outside | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
and that is what the motor Manufacturers took as a pretext to | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
encourage diesel instead of trams or hydrogen or basically green | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
transport. Similar to the fact after the Second World War, the motor and | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
oil manufacturers took the trams out of our city centres for their own | :56:01. | :56:02. | |
commercial The diesel contribution to climate | :56:03. | :56:14. | |
change is no better and arguably worse than petrol and we are | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
passively smoking diesel emissions, they cost 40,000 jobs. Taxation | :56:20. | :56:29. | |
levels between diesel and petrol are on a par, they don't reflect the | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
cost, in terms of the environment, in terms of health. And laboratory | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
testing across the EU is systematically understating the | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
amount of emissions in the air that we breathe so that in terms of | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
carbon monoxide, emissions are two thirds higher than actually in the | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
case of much can die like, it is for five times higher. Things made a lot | :56:55. | :57:03. | |
by the revelation that bolts Bagan -- VW were caught cheating, and the | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
difference when they had the device on, is twentyfold. It is 20 times | :57:09. | :57:16. | |
the emissions belching into the lungs. When they are out on the road | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
than when they are inside the laboratory. Clearly this situation, | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
where this is sorted out. Mr Deputy Speaker, we have had the growth of | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
diesel pollution and the mushrooming of costs to public health. We have | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
had the disaster of industry saying they will self regulate but doing | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
the opposite. Our duty is to protect our Georgian, our nation, our first | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
duty as a government is to protect the people. This air quality bill, | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
firstly ensures that vehicle emissions testing in 2017, reflects | :57:55. | :58:03. | |
on road driving conditions. Such as accelerating, the Seller rating, | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
standing stationary. It is devices such as the one using bolts -- using | :58:08. | :58:17. | |
Wolkswagen. It restricts diesel vehicles, that failed the emission | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
standards, into the most old and polluting diesel cars. Some of which | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
are worse than lorries incidentally in terms of impact. It encourages | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
the development of green transport including tram systems including the | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
one I pioneered in Croydon. It encourages, hydrogen powered or | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
electric powered buses and taxis, and in turn encourages walking and | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
cycling because they will be Tina Herrera and less congestion. We also | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
in my view need pollution warnings as we do with flood warnings. | :58:51. | :58:58. | |
Because the Met office have been told to shut up since last Sunday | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
gave a pollution warning in April 2014, the public have a right to | :59:04. | :59:09. | |
know, so that Rose can be closed with excessive pollution. I hope | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
that the house will support extra measures and I hope that the | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
Chancellor, will support the opportunity to support green | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
transport and to ensure that the polluter pays principle is carried | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
through to taxation so that signals to consumers who have bought diesel | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
cars, will see a transmitted into behaviour as they were in previous | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
signals. We need the right signals, so that we do satisfy our | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
fundamental ambition, fundamental duty to protect the lives of our | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
citizens, to ensure that the air that we breathe in our cities is | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
clean, and a life that we lead is sustainable. The question is, does | :59:49. | :59:56. | |
the honourable member have leave to bring in the bill? Those happy say | :59:57. | :00:09. | |
I. The eyes have it. Who will bring in the bill? Doctor Sarah Wollaston, | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
Andrew Brin, Stuart Donlan, John McNally, Jonathan Edwards, Chris | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
Stevens, Rob Marys, Albert Owen, Margaret Ritchie, Gareth Thomas, and | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
myself. Air quality diesel emissions in | :00:27. | :01:05. | |
urban centres bill. Second reading what day? Friday the 4th of March Mr | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
Deputy Speaker. Friday the 4th of March. Programme motion to be moved. | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
The question is as on the order paper, as many of that opinion, say | :01:21. | :01:30. | |
Aye. Aye extra measure Mark we will now read the orders of the day. | :01:31. | :01:38. | |
Consideration of Lords amendments. I must draw the house 's attendance, | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
that financial provisions, are in certain amendments. I will cause an | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
appropriate amendment to be made in the journal. This is Lords amendment | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
one, for which it would be convenient to take amendments eight | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
and nine. I call the Minister to move to disagree with Lords | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
amendment one. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that we | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
disagree with the Lords amendment one. This bill is a vital part of | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
the government's reports that are moving this country to a high wage, | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
low tax low welfare economy. It is fundamental to our commitment to end | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
child poverty and improve children's life chances to insure that work | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
always pays more than life on benefit and that support is focused | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
on the most vulnerable. As is right and proper, its provisions have been | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
carefully scrutinised by both houses, both this house and the | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
other place. Where appropriate the | :02:40. | :02:51. | |
government has made amendments to remove unintended consequences and | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
has made some important commitments on supported housing and the social | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
rents measure, on kinship parents and social adoption. And on guardian | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
's allowance and carers allowance in relation to the benefit cap. The | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
government remains firmly committed to the aims of the bill, and for | :03:03. | :03:09. | |
that reason, we wish to resist the non-government amendments. Before I | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
address in each detail, in detail each area, allow me to set out the | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
key principles underpinning how disagreements with the Lords. On the | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
addition of the child poverty, our view is that this is unnecessary as | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
we have already committed to publishing statistics on children in | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
low income families to the households below average income, it | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
also reintroduces a failed approach to tackling child poverty, focused | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
on tagging the symptoms rather than the root causes of child poverty. It | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
rise perverse behaviour to let people just above the poverty line | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
rather than on a life chances strategy that could transform | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
children's lives, I will give way. Does she accept that income has a | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
huge impact on life chances? I say to the right on the wall gentleman | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
that income is one of many factors that has an impact on life chances | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
and on property. Which is why this government is very much focused on | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
tackling the root causes of child poverty and I will during the course | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
of this debate talk about this further. I know that the party | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
opposite disagree with this, but on the change to the work-related | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
activity component, and the limited capacity for the work element in | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
universal credit, I want to stress that this government is fully | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
focused on people who can, just bear with me for a second, who can get | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
into work and we want to end a broken system which is patentee | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
failing those who should be helping and ensure that a good proportion of | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
those savings are recycled into a practical support, long-term | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
practical support that will have a transformation effect on people's | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
lives. I will give way. She mentions the fact that income is a factor in | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
poverty but her own government report, and I quote from these | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
edited summary, says the main factor is the lack of sufficient income | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
from parental employment, it is not just a factor. It is fundamental. | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
What I would say to the honourable gentleman and to all members of this | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
house, when it comes to poverty, work itself remains the best route | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
out of poverty. Importantly, moving into work and supporting, once | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
people are in work, moving people into work and helping their income | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
growth is exactly our focus. It really is. What would she say to | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
those constituents of mine who may have limited abilities, would she | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
say it is better to try and help and support them into some form of | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
employment albeit reduced hours, or to write them off and say that they | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
cannot contribute to society at all? My honourable friend is absolutely | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
right, it is the fundamental difference between how party in | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
government and the party opposite. We are committed to supporting | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
people to get into work and to help them with sustained employment in | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
particular rather than consigning people to a life of dependency and | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
benefits which has a counter-productive consequence. I | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
will give way to the honourable lady. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
and I thank the Minister for giving way but she is wrong because the new | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
Deal, got more people into new work than ever before this country. And | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
this government is taking money out of the pockets of working families, | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
so how can she say that she wants working people to feel the benefit | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
when universal credit will make them poorer. I would say to the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
honourable lady that she is wrong in many ways, for a start this | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
government has supported more people to get back into work than ever | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
before. It is our welfare reforms that are helping through universal | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
credit, but also giving dedicated support to individuals to help them | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
not just getting to work but remain in work as well. I will come back to | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
him shortly but I would like to make a bit of progress. I was Mr Deputy | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
Speaker just briefly before I come on to discuss the child poverty | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
income measures, just touching on the essay points in particular and I | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
will come back to some of the detailed questions. When the party | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
opposite designed the work activity component it was intended to act as | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
an incentive for people to take part in work-related activity and move on | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
to work quicker, and just one in a hundred work activity group | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
claimants, leading benefits each month, it is not working. It is | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
crucial to make sure that we have the right support in place, to help | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
move people closer to the labour market. There is as we all know a | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
large body of evidence showing that work is generally good for physical | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
and mental well-being as well as a growing awareness that long-term | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
worklessness, is hard on physical and mental health. Indeed, some of | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
the major charities say that work can be right for some people after a | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
diagnosis and improved employment support is crucial to helping people | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
with health conditions and disability move into work and get | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
closer to the labour market. As we speak, the government is working on | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
a white Paper this year, that will set out plans to improve support | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
with people in such conditions, including the role of employers and | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
improved integration between health and employment, and I will come on | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
to expand on this later on. But I will, just bear with me. I will | :08:41. | :08:47. | |
begin by dressing amendment number one in detail. Which is firstly, | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
this amendment is wholly unnecessary, as low income | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
statistics, as I briefly summarised already are already published, this | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
information is available for all to see and will continue to be so. The | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
party opposite, they will get their chance to speak shortly and I think | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
they should give me the courtesy to make my point. Ministers in both | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
houses have committed to the continued publication of information | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
contained in I hope it is getting honourable members that we have more | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
than adequate safeguards, already in place to secure the continued | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
publication of this note income data. I will give way. -- low income | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
data. Li I thank the Minister for giving way, McMillan Cancer support | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
says that people may be at risk of losing their homes if the cuts go | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
ahead. Does the Minister have anything to say to McMillan. What I | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
will say is that McMillan have also said that many people who are | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
working when they are diagnosed with cancer, would prefer to remain in | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
real work will return to their job during and after treatment. | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
interests if the honourable gentleman would like to intervene, | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
he is welcome to get up at the dispatch box, but he should let me | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
finish my points before he starts chuntering. It is essential people | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
suffering with cancer get the right support. When people are in the | :10:16. | :10:25. | |
support group of the ESA support group and they are unable to work, | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
then they remain on the ESA and are supported. Is this for amendment | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
number one? I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, but could | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
she confirm Maka mil and are opposed to the reduction by ?30 a week the | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
members of the ESA group. They are not in favour of it, they are | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
opposed to it. Jack Miller and, alongside the government have | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
recognised that those who are on the support group will rightly, not be | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
affected and will be supported because they are in the support | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
group because they are ill. I am going to come back, I am speaking | :11:07. | :11:14. | |
about amendment number one. Let her make some progress. I am going to | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
make some progress on amendment number one. Turning secondly as to | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
why this approach has failed. Measures are flawed because they | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
don't drive to transform children's lives. This government is | :11:30. | :11:36. | |
undertaking crucial reforms to improve children's life chances, as | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
introducing the National living wage. These policies will support | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
those hard-working families who need the support the most. Debt under | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
Labour's failed approach, their introduction would have supposedly | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
led to an increase in child poverty. This failed approach incentivises | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
the wrong actions. It led the previous Labour governments to | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
tackle the symptoms of property through expensive income transfer, | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
spending over 300 billion pounds on working, age and welfare tax credits | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
between 2003, 2004, 2008 and 2009 with little return. It didn't make | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
long-term differences to children's prospects. I will give way shortly. | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
The number of children in relative poverty remained broadly unchanged. | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
There are fundamental weaknesses in that system which this government is | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
seeking to put right through our new life chances measures. I will give | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
way. She would lapse want me to remind her that child poverty fell | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
by a million under the last Labour government and that is something we | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
should be rightly proud of. Her own advisers have advised against | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
removing the child poverty indicators. So, why is she so | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
headstrong at ignoring the advice, not just of the other place but of | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
her own commission, who have said this is wrong. We have discussed | :13:09. | :13:19. | |
this in committee, but I will reiterate the point. We are focused | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
on tackling the root causes of poverty and ultimately, at the end | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
of the day and as the Prime Minister said in his recent life chances | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
speeches, we are here to make sure we can tackle these long-term. It is | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
tackling the root causes of poverty. The economy cannot be secure if we | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
spent Ilion 's pounds picking up the pieces of social failure. Economic | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
and social reform are not two separate agendas. They are connected | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
to one another and therefore it is imperative that we focus resources | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
on how we transfer lives, through tackling the root causes. I would | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
encourage the House to take the right action to make the biggest | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
difference to children's life chances. That is why the government | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
are seeking to introduce the life chances in the bill today. It is | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
combined with the non-statutory measures in the life chances | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
strategy, including family breakdown, problem, debt drug and | :14:25. | :14:33. | |
alcohol dependency will drive the right action to transform lives. I | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
will take the intervention over there. I am grateful and surprised | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
the Minister has given way. I am sure the Prime Minister is delighted | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
to see her so back on message today, as she hasn't been in the last few | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
days. How can she go against the advice of her own government's | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
commission when they say it is not credible to try to improve the life | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
chances of the poor without acknowledging the most obvious | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
symptom of uppity, lack of money. When is she going to listen? We are | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
still continuing to publish low income data on households below | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
average income. This information is still being published. It may not be | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
the information he wants to know about, but we are publishing this | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
alongside doing something previous Labour governments have failed to | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
do, which is transforming lives, addressing the root causes of | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
poverty and making sure we absolutely tackle these causes that | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
have led to child poverty in the long run. We have all heard the | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
arguments... The honourable gentleman opposite he made a point | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
about child poverty who has left his seat, seemed to indicate that due to | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
the recession under the last Labour government, child poverty fell. | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
Doesn't it show the fallacy of the arguments opposite and we are trying | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
to seek the root causes of poverty, not a measure that simply doesn't | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
work? It is absolutely clear that when children are the future of our | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
country, it is right we focus on delivering better life chances for | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
them. When we publish the life chances strategy we will make the | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
biggest difference to children's life chances, now and in the future. | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
We must seek to rescue a generation from poverty by extending life | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
chances across the country. We must build a country where opportunity is | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
more equal with stronger communities are young people who can face the | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
world with a background of experiences and characteristics we | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
know are vital for their success. As the Prime Minister said, we must | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
seek to transform the life chances of the poorest in our country and of | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
every child who has had a difficult start in life, with the promise of a | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
brighter future. I will give way. I wonder whether she saw the report | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
published by the scent for social justice last month, setting out a | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
way of combining the life chances indicators, and there is interesting | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
information in those, with income indicators as well, so we don't | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
ignore the income, which is clearly a key aspect of this whole issue? I | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
thank the right honourable gentleman for his intervention. We will be | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
publishing the life chances strategy in the spring and it is us the | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
opportunity to consider, holistically, the fact is that can | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
lead to better outcomes for children and families. I recognise the point | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
he makes. Just finally, I would, on the back of the remarks I have made, | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
urge members to support the government's motion and reject the | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
Lord's amendments. Turning to amendment is eight and nine, which | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
indicated by you, Mr Deputy Speaker, impinge on the financial fringe of | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
the House. They delete clauses 13 and 14 from the bill. Reverse the | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
plan announced in the summer budget to line the amount paid to | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
employment support allowance claimants in the work-related | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
activity group to that which is paid to JS say claimants and to align the | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
amount paid to universal credit limited capability for work payments | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
to that of UC basic rate. I would like to take this opportunity to | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
stress the government's strong belief that this reform is the right | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
thing to do and part of efforts to improve, not just like chances, but | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
to support them going into work so they can reach their full potential. | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
It will allow me to explain why. Record employment levels and job | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
growth in recent years has benefited many, but these benefits have yet to | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
reach those on ESA. While one in every five JS say claimants moves of | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
the benefit each month, this is true that just one in 100 ESA claimants | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
in the world -- work-related activity group, people with health | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
conditions and disabilities deserve better and more support. I | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
appreciate the party opposite don't have any solutions to tackling the | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
wider issues when it comes to welfare and would rather just | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
continue to spend, in an unsustainable way, in terms of | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
public spending. We have listened to the charities and campaigning | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
organisations, who say improved employment support is key to helping | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
people with health conditions and disabilities move closer to the | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
labour market. And when they are ready, into work. I will give way. I | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
look forward to the White Paper on this. Is she not doing this the | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
wrong way round? Shouldn't she be introducing the White Paper first | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
and then looking at the changes to ESA. What the she said to the | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
honourable member from South Cambridgeshire, his third the beauty | :19:59. | :20:06. | |
of this intermediate group is that it is just that intermediate. On the | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
road to returning to work, but not quite there yet. I think the | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
honourable gentleman is making my point for me in the sense that those | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
on the work-related activity group need more support and covering a day | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
have been getting too little support. That is the purpose of the | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
reforms we are bringing in. We believe we must tackle this and | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
provide the right financial security for individuals, but also look at | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
the most effective ways to improve the well-being of individuals by | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
giving them support to help them get back to work. There are almost half | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
a million people in the work-related activity group getting too little | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
support to move into work. We currently disincentive five them | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
doing though. This government is determined to take the necessary | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
steps to reform their life chances. The government is committed to | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
showing disabled people are able to participate fully in society and we | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
have set out our ambition to halve the disability employment gap. It is | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
the duty of government to support those who want to work, to do so. | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
Most people with disabilities and health conditions tell us they want | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
to work, including the majority of ESA claimants, which 61% of those in | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
the work-related activity group say they want to work and we mean to put | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
their ambitions at the centre of achieving this. I will give way. We | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
have established MacMillan Cancer Support disagrees with the Minister, | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
Parkinson 's UK, mind, have said they disagree. Can the Minister say | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
any organisation representing disabled people but agree with the | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
position the government has taken on this? What I would say to the right | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
honourable gentleman is we have been working with organisations and | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
disability groups and we have been listening to them. Rather than | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
making generalised comments, we are working with them. We are working | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
with them on our white paper going forward as well. The ESA system was | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
set up in Labour in 2008 is a bore people with health conditions and | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
disabilities to work. It has failed the people it was designed to help. | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
The original estimates were far more claimants would move into work. I | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
white paper was published in 2008 and set out by the then Labour | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
government, aim to reduce the number of people on incapacity benefits by | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
1,000,020 15. We have spent 2.7 billion this year on the ESA work | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
activity group. Only around 1% of people in this group move of the | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
benefit every month. It is fair to say this benefit is not working as | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
anyone intended. Most importantly, it is failing claimants badly. This | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
government is committed to spending taxpayers money responsibly. We can | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
improve life chances and help move them out of benefits and get them | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
into work. Those in the work-related activity group given additional cash | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
payments, but very little employment support. As the Prime Minister has | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
stated, this fixation on welfare treat symptoms and not the causes. | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
And it traps people into dependency, which is why we are proposing that | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
through some of the money currently spends on cash payments, but are not | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
actually achieving the desired effect of helping people move closer | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
to the labour market, we will put this into practical support that | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
will make a difference to people in these groups. In addition to the | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
practical support, which is part of the real terms increase in the | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
Autumn Statement, which is how the 60, to ?100 million of support which | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
was set out in the budget, what we spend will be influenced not only by | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
Whitehall, but by a task force of representatives from disability | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
charities, disabled people's user groups organisations, employers, | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
think tanks, provider representatives and global | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
authorities and we're working with scope, Leonard Cheshire, the RNIB, | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
the National Autistic Society and the disability action Alliance. | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
Another issue raised in the passage of the bill by both members of this | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
House and any other place, where concerns we were expecting claimants | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
who had been found not fit for work to be able to work. This is not the | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
case. I would like to clarify claimants in the work-related beauty | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
group have been found to have limited edibility for work. This is | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
different to being unfit for any work. There are many limitations on | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
the type and the amount of work people in the work-related activity | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
group can do, and may also need work Les adjustments. But employment | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
isn't ruled out. That is why the ESA permitted work rules are there and | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
why they are so important. It is an important distinction as this | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
misconception helps drive people further away from the labour market, | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
perpetuate the benefits trap and undermines the life chances of those | :25:22. | :25:22. | |
claimants. She talks of fluctuating conditions | :25:23. | :25:35. | |
but it is well-known that mental health causes fluctuating conditions | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
which are very hard to deal with and yet 50% of the people affected by | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
the cut in PSA have mental health conditions. Surely that is not being | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
built into government thinking. I have just briefly touched on what we | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
are doing in terms of looking for extra employment support and the | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
fact we are working with other organisations, I have named some of | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
them, but mental health in particular is crucial in terms of | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
how we can connect our systems, working with the NHS, and we had a | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
joint working group on the Department for Work and Pensions and | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
the Department of Health looking at the support that people on the ESA | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
with mental health conditions, how we can help them, signpost to them | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
and help them get treatment. When the opposition talk about income, | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
they mean welfare benefits. When we talk about income, in terms of | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
children in relative poverty, the evidence shows 75% of those children | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
will come of the poverty indicator if both parents are working. There | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
are more children and families where people are working than ever before. | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
An ESA, does she agree that those of us who have met people with | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
significant disabilities who are now working, it is amazing what a | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
difference it makes not just to income but life happiness? He is | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
right to highlight the importance of work. To people who have been | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
previously locked out of opportunities. This is a good | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
example of working with employers to deliver sustained employment | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
opportunities for people with disabilities. I think this gives me | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
a good opportunity to reflect upon additional work taking place in | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
government right now on a wide-ranging employer strategy, | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
working with employers to look at how we can address the disability | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
employment gap and work with employers so they can provide more | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
structured opportunities to people with disabilities, and sustained | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
employment. I think it is also important to recognise the changes | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
to Employment Support Allowance and universal credit work together and | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
cannot be taken forward in isolation. We have invested a | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
significant amount in universal credits to make sure we keep people | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
connected and engaged to the labour market from the outset of their | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
claim. Unlike ESA, universal credit claimants with a health condition | :28:29. | :28:35. | |
are offered support where it is appropriate at the start of their | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
claim, helping them to remain closer to the labour market even if they're | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
not immediately able to return to work but importantly it provides the | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
support they need to get back into work which ultimately will help them | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
get a job in the long run. I would like to stress that this change does | :28:57. | :29:03. | |
not affect those in the ESA support group of the universal credit | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
equivalent, or the agreements of the income related ESA. There will be no | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
cash losers and this policy only applies to those who apply for ESA | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
and subsequently enter it from April 20 17. We aim to protect those who | :29:22. | :29:32. | |
move off ESA to look for work. People will be able to reclaim the | :29:33. | :29:41. | |
ESA. Hopefully it will dispel the myth that everyone in that group | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
will be affected by the change. Universal credit works differently | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
from ESA but we aim to put similar protections in place. I would like | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
to put on record that this reform is the first and a necessary step | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
towards a wider reform package. In the Autumn Statement, the Chancellor | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
of the Exchequer announced the Government will publish a White | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
Paper this year to set out our plans to improve support for people with | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
health conditions and disabilities including exploring the rules of | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
employers and further reducing the disability employment gap, promoting | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
integration across health and employment. Clauses 14 and 15 will | :30:23. | :30:31. | |
provide the right support and incentives to help people with | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
limited capability for work move closer to the labour market. In | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
light of these arguments I hope honourable members will support the | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
Government and I beg to move the motions. The question is that this | :30:46. | :30:53. | |
House disagrees with the Lord's in their amendment. I would like to | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
speak in support of the wards' amendment on and child poverty | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
reporting obligations, and in addition amendments eight and nine. | :31:07. | :31:19. | |
Amendment on places a reporting obligation on the Secretary of State | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
requiring an annual report on child poverty is laid before the House. | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
The amendment stipulates the report must include information on the | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
percentage of children in poverty as originally described in the 2010 | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
child poverty act. The Bishop of Durham, who moved the amendment in | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
the Lords, emphasised the importance of income in understanding child | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
poverty and children's well-being and life chances. He says income | :31:50. | :31:58. | |
measures would not supplant the Government's other measures relating | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
to work as Miss and educational attainment but it ensures that | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
income -based measures of child poverty is collected in the UK and | :32:07. | :32:08. | |
other countries for decades are retained. Again, allowing year by | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
year comparisons and holding the Government to account. Various | :32:16. | :32:24. | |
charities have called on the Government not to abandon the income | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
-based measure of child poverty, as has the equality and human rights | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
commission. Today in a letter to The Times, 177 child health academics | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
have written in support of retaining income -based measures for child | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
poverty. Even Unicef urged the Government to retain the measures | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
used across the 35 or ECD countries allowing intercountry comparisons. | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
The Government's on 2014 evidence review of the drivers of child | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
poverty towns like of -- found lack of significant income is the most | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
important factor in lifting children out of poverty. Even the minister in | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
a recent Westminster Hall debate acknowledged income is a significant | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
part of the issue, but there are many other causes. The social | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
mobility and child poverty commission in 2015, their annual | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
report found 2.3 million children living below what is defined as the | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
child poverty line and the resolution foundation estimates that | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
in 2016 all on a further 200,000 children, predominantly from working | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
households, will fall into poverty. This is on top of the ISS's | :33:49. | :33:57. | |
projections that the files in child poverty at the beginning of the | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
century at being reserved. -- reversed. It was estimated 200,000 | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
children will be pushed into poverty. It is entirely probable | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
that the increase in child poverty will rise even more steeply. The all | :34:14. | :34:26. | |
policies' recent inquiry showed clearly that it could lead to an | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
increase in the number of children facing the misery and hardship of | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
poverty by as many as 1.5 million by 2020. One or two things I'm sure my | :34:38. | :34:46. | |
honourable friend will agree with me that we can't let the Government | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
front bench get away with. Tax credits were introduced by a Labour | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
government because the Conservative government of the 90s did nothing | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
about child poverty. The Government says they want people to get into | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
work but they get zero hours contracts and people can't get tax | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
credits. In Coventry there are 18,000 people using feedback is. | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
They are doing nothing about child poverty. Some very valid points. I | :35:18. | :35:26. | |
will come onto them in an woman. The implication from these measures in | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
terms of the future health and well-being of children is stark. | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
There is overwhelming evidence child poverty has a direct impact on | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
worsening children's social, emotional and cognitive outcomes. | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
One witness to the inquiry told the inquiry that as children's lives | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
unfold, the health associated with poverty limits their potential and | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
development across a whole range of areas leading to her life chances in | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
adult ad, with a knock-on effect on future generations. There was | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
unanimous agreement from those providing evidence that although | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
there is a positive correlation between work closeness and | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
educational attainment with poverty, they are not indicators are measures | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
of poverty. Two thirds of children in poverty are from working | :36:24. | :36:35. | |
families. How does... ? I am grateful for giving way. She is | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
making an excellent case. I wonder if she would agree with the IFS who | :36:42. | :36:52. | |
say that the prognosis for child poverty under this government is | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
bleak. We see the Government trying to hide information about what is | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
happening to child poverty rather than trying to tackle the underlying | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
causes which leads to it. That is disgraceful. That is an absolutely | :37:06. | :37:14. | |
key point and I want to come onto some specifics in a little moment. | :37:15. | :37:24. | |
She speaks about any work poverty but can she confirmed that under the | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
last Labour government in the work poverty rose 20%? No. How does | :37:29. | :37:42. | |
living in poverty affect children's development? Can I just make these | :37:43. | :37:50. | |
points? People on low incomes are often juggling to heat or eat. As we | :37:51. | :37:58. | |
heard this morning in the debate on the bedroom tax, paying the rent is | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
an increasing issue for 42,000 people affected. Having a secure, | :38:03. | :38:12. | |
warm home with a nutritious food are basic physiological needs. When | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
these are not there, health sufferers physically and mentally, | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
particularly for children as they develop. In work, or being | :38:19. | :38:27. | |
well-educated does not guarantee these needs. Income does. The | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
evidence my honourable friend alluded to, or the lack of it, is | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
absolutely stark. Why was there no government impact assessment on the | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
impact of these proposals? If we look at the evidence from the United | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
States, when they analysed the effect of Social Security reforms, | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
it shows that programmes focusing specifically on parental employment | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
field. In fact, they had no effect or exacerbated children's health and | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
conversely when programmes were about focusing on supplementing | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
income of low income families, the improved health. Indicators are | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
exactly that, not things that can be tackled, whereas this bill seeks to | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
refocus the Government position on the underlying causes and symptoms. | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
Would she agree that rather seeking to -- Rather than seeking to hide | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
the figures, they will actually still be reported to? The point is | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
about making the Government accountable for their policies that | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
may in turn be affecting those measures. I know the honourable | :39:50. | :39:58. | |
Jones and wanted to intervene. Both her party and hours are committed to | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
ending child poverty saw the starting point is the same. The | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
difference is the value of a relative indicator and she knows one | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
of the difficulties with the relative indicator is that quite | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
often it will apparently improve during times of recession but go | :40:15. | :40:21. | |
down in times of crisis. How realistic to she think that is and | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
how effective does she think the money was? | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
If I could answer in this way, we know the value at having indicators | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
that they can compare over a long period of time, and that is | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
internationally recognised. What they provide is an opportunity for | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
this covenant and future Government's, past Government's as | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
well to be held to account for their policies and how they affect child | :40:56. | :41:08. | |
poverty. -- Government's. It is important to remind the public | :41:09. | :41:15. | |
benches that they had a persistent poverty measure and they material | :41:16. | :41:23. | |
deprivation poverty measure. We are not relying on one matter. My | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
honourable friend is spot on and this is what the award amendment is | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
asking for. The exact same measures to be included. I just wanted to | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
finish this bit, if I could. I think it sums up really, from one of the | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
witnesses who is a clinical expert in child health. He said, "The | :41:46. | :41:53. | |
Government is trying to refocus child poverty from Lincoln -based | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
factors to family debt and addiction. -- income -based. A lack | :41:58. | :42:08. | |
of material resources." I really think that sums it up so well. If we | :42:09. | :42:16. | |
look. If we turn now to the UK's infant mortality rate. Approximately | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
40 health of a nation, it is currently the highest quarter of all | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
EU 15 countries. I have to say, I was shocked when I heard their spot | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
for under five-year-olds, we have the worst mortality rate in all of | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
Europe. We should be ashamed of that. We know that infant mortality | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
is strongly linked to poverty and material deprivation. We know from | :42:42. | :42:43. | |
National statistics that there is a five fold difference between the | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
lowest and highest economic groups. There is not a law of nature that | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
says that children from poor families have two die at five times | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
the rate of children from rich families. -- have to die. I thank my | :43:00. | :43:10. | |
honourable friend for giving way. She is giving very calm, realistic | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
evidence of white money matters. Wiltshire grew me that it is | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
disappointing to continually hear the myth from the other benches that | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
it is educational attainment or will help that causes poverty, rather | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
than poverty that causes those things? Again, my honourable friend | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
sums it up perfectly. I absolutely agree. Because this is a serious | :43:32. | :43:40. | |
question. If only one hand she is saying that the evidence shows that | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
the mortality in broad children in this country is a tiny hole of the | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
rest of Europe, and the benefits that we are giving our better than | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
the rest of Europe, something is not working. What this evening has to be | :43:51. | :43:58. | |
done to improve it? I think, again, the honourable gentleman is | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
possibly... Has not got all the evidence here. Again, if we compare, | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
for example, spending two GDP, we do and are particularly well. I'm going | :44:14. | :44:22. | |
to move on. It is concluded that a quarter of all deaths under the age | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
of one-year-old could potentially be avoided if all this at the same | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
level of risks as for women with the lowest level of deprivation. Again, | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
I think we should recognise that these are people living in our | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
constituencies. Evidence to the all-party enquiry showed that | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
eliminating UK child poverty would save the lives of 1400 children | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
under 15 every year. Not just that, good early development is strongly | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
associated with many positive outcomes in later life, including | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
higher educational attainment and approved of one prospect in adult | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
food. As another witness this right, we are facing a child prodigy | :45:05. | :45:13. | |
crisis. -- poverty crisis. We must continue to invest in our children | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
and support the most vulnerable in our society. The introduction of the | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
so-called living wage, the increase in personal tax talent is as more | :45:21. | :45:26. | |
free childcare, as the eye F F has clearly shown they will not offset | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
the net was to households. -- IFS. Including from this bill. I urge you | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
all to support this particular amendment. Our children was my | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
future depend on it. -- children's features. If I could move on. Clause | :45:45. | :45:54. | |
13 seeks to abolish the employment and support allowance component for | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
new claimants from April 20 17th and replace it with a Universal Credit. | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
The effects of this will mean that social security support for people | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
with disability, developed a serious health condition will decrease by | :46:10. | :46:18. | |
almost ?30 per week. If you want a wood at it annually, ?1500. The | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
governor has argued that this will move the financial incentives that | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
encourage claims to take that back to work. The Lords rejected this on | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
a number of grounds. Firstly, people in the E F a -- ESA have gone | :46:33. | :46:42. | |
through an assessment which found fit to work. This shows 5000 people | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
with progressive conditions like multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's. | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
It will not improve. It also includes the board cancer. A survey | :46:52. | :46:54. | |
conducted by the charity MacMillan Cancer Support showed that one in | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
ten cancer patients would struggle to pay their rent or mortgage if DES | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
a was cut. The key issue is that they are not fit for work. -- ESA. | :47:05. | :47:11. | |
Removing the financial incentives making them fit to work is a | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
ridiculous notion. I am sorry, I have given the honourable gentleman | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
a number of opportunities. Secondly, there is overwhelming evidence of | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
extra costs faced by sick and disabled people. The associated | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
poverty that they experience as a result and the clear implication | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
that this has for their condition. We know, out of 12 million disabled | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
people in the country, 5.1 million are living in poverty. We also know | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
from the extra Corporation that disabled people are twice as likely | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
to live in poverty. 80% of which is due to the extra costs and eight | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
days because they are poorly. Because they have a disability. | :47:56. | :48:06. | |
There was an excellent port harvesting the gap of real concerns | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
of the Government's and the potential increase in people living | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
in poverty was seen as inadequate. The cut in the financial support | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
would have a detrimental impact to this group. The equal rights | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
commission agreed. Their analysis said that this would cause | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
unnecessary anxiety to people who have been independently found unfit | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
for work. I am quoting that. My third point is that the scepticism | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
of employment opportunities for sick and disabled people who may recover | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
from their condition in the future. There are currently approximately | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
1.3 million disabled people who are fit and able to work but are | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
currently unemployed, accounting for the disability employment gap | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
between disabled and non-disabled people. The covenant has rightly | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
said that we need to have this but they have been left open in terms of | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
how we can achieve this. -- got this in half. I agree with the honourable | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
gentleman in terms of the disability White Paper. At the moment, we have | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
a situation where there is one specialist disability employment | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
adviser to 600 disabled people trying to get into work. I will. I | :49:27. | :49:34. | |
am really grateful. She makes a very powerful point because she, like me, | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
will see many of these people in surgeries on a regular basis. It is | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
not me support. It is a very expensive support that is needed and | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
the Government what's a good game and does not deliver. My honourable | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
friend is absolutely right. I was going to move on to the support for | :49:51. | :49:58. | |
disabled to work. Last year, only 36,800 people were supported. Again, | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
I do support what is happening in terms of the disability confident | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
scheme. We have to recognise that only 112... 112! Act of employers -- | :50:13. | :50:21. | |
acted employers. How are we meant to encourage and enable disabled people | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
who are fit for work to get into work with these limited measures? It | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
is all a bit topsy-turvy. I am very grateful. I hope you also agree with | :50:30. | :50:37. | |
me that the incidents of lack of work opportunity go hand-in-hand. It | :50:38. | :50:44. | |
is not just throughout the UK. A very valid point. A very valid point | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
indeed. On top of the suggestion that working for-5 hours a week | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
should regroup the loss of income with the introduction as been | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
questioned by the human rights commission. -- 4-mac-5 hours a week. | :51:00. | :51:12. | |
The proposed cuts will push six and disabled -- sick and disabled people | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
into poverty. Not help, as the Government are saying it will do. | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
The recent survey indicates not only the concerns of disabled people | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
themselves, seven out of ten people believe their condition will | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
deteriorate. A poll of 2000 adults conducted by Populace in January | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
said over seven 2% said this will make this a word place for disabled | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
people to live in. -- UK a worse place. This Government's and ?70 | :51:48. | :51:56. | |
million a year, that is more than France and Germany. If you what | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
you're saying is true, it is not just about money, is it? Again, we | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
need you would at are spend their GDP. -- Alice band. France and | :52:07. | :52:15. | |
Germany spend more. Read and 1.3% to GDP. Contrary to what this comment | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
perpetually try to save at how generously are, in terms of the | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
actual spend in relation to be GDP, we are not good. It was 1.6% in | :52:28. | :52:34. | |
1960, now it is one under single people. It is absolutely shameful. | :52:35. | :52:44. | |
On the ground, I would ask -- 1.3%. Support Amendment eight. I want to | :52:45. | :52:52. | |
move on to clause 14, which again in the Government has been more than a | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
little disingenuous when it suggests the reduction in Social Security | :52:56. | :53:04. | |
only applies to new VS a claimant 's -- ESA acquaintance. 492,180 people | :53:05. | :53:15. | |
currently on this started to across to Universal Credit. As we know, | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
this combined a number of benefits into one, and alternating a view as | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
well as ESA. The work element of the UC. This means everyone currently on | :53:28. | :53:43. | |
the ESA right will see their funding cut. Will my honourable friend agree | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
with me that there is a difference between the words said earlier and | :53:49. | :53:56. | |
the proposals to penalised people with mental health problems? I thank | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
my honourable friend for his intervention and I absolutely agree | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
with what he said. I have lost my place. What has been hidden so far | :54:09. | :54:17. | |
is that this cut will also affect disabled people who are in low-paid | :54:18. | :54:23. | |
work. Currently, 116,000 disabled people in low-paid work working over | :54:24. | :54:30. | |
16 hours per week receive the disabled workers element of working | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
tax credit, about ?60 per week. They get this as a direct result of being | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
on DLA. They need is a various things including covering additional | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
costs and working against things that non-disabled people do not | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
face. He worked the main addition of financial support for people in work | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
who are disabled. It is meant to cover the costs. However, unlike the | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
disabled workers element of working tax credit, it is only available | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
after the working disabled people have been through a work capability | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
assessment. If the Government goes ahead with removing UC's element. | :55:11. | :55:19. | |
The inevitable impact will be disabled people dropping out of the | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
labour market, increasing, not reducing, the disability employment | :55:25. | :55:26. | |
gap. It will have exactly the opposite effect the Government's say | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
they want to achieve. It should also be noted that fully 43,000 disabled | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
parents on disabled workers element working tax credit, with all of this | :55:38. | :55:44. | |
measure will mean the family receive no financial, extra financial | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
support, converts to a non-disabled family. -- and petty to. The report | :55:48. | :55:58. | |
has shown the impact this has had on child poverty. Currently 40% of | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
families affected by disability have children living in poverty. The | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
finding from the enquiry was that this would get worse, with custody | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
as a rag and limited capability for work. Again, for these reasons, I | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
would urge everybody to support the Lords amendment nine, which seeks to | :56:18. | :56:18. | |
remove this clause on the Dell. I have mentioned this specific | :56:19. | :56:31. | |
effects of these measures. I know this is evidence -based. There has | :56:32. | :56:39. | |
been no impact assessment, we have had to find evidence to identify the | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
implications of these measures, because there was absolutely | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
nothing, to the shame of this government. I would like to remind | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
everybody that this is on top of many other measures. It is on top of | :56:55. | :57:09. | |
closing the Independent living fund, which is now threatened with a | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
further cut of 1.2 billion. On top of cuts on social care which affect | :57:14. | :57:24. | |
disabled people, and on top of the cuts which are bound to happen with | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
the hastily pushed through consultation earlier this year. The | :57:29. | :57:39. | |
Government has tried to regenerate this economy on the backs of the | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
poor and disabled. Work does not protect against poverty and the poor | :57:45. | :57:46. | |
and disabled are made to pay the price. This is about cuts to Social | :57:47. | :57:55. | |
Security. Instead of denigrating claimants in our Social Security | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
system we should recognise the important role it plays, like the | :57:59. | :58:05. | |
NHS, it is based on systems of inclusion, support, ensuring us all | :58:06. | :58:12. | |
dignity and the basics of life should any one of us become ill or | :58:13. | :58:18. | |
disabled or fall on hard times. Many members on all sides of the House | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
believe this bill is a step too far and I urge them to support | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
amendments one, eight and nine. There are a large number of members | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
wishing to speak in this debate so if members could keep speeches as | :58:35. | :58:45. | |
brief as possible. I will try to be brief. I wanted to explain why, | :58:46. | :58:53. | |
despite some misgivings over minor details, I haven't to think -- I | :58:54. | :59:01. | |
happen to think these amendments are wrong and a rich great step -- | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
retrograde. To lock policy failure into the | :59:06. | :59:22. | |
legislation is unacceptable. I see constituents in a no man's land. | :59:23. | :59:31. | |
They may have been found of limited capability for work, and they may | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
have exhausted the avenues of appeal, but they will not feel | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
comfortable to transition onto jobseeker's allowance even though in | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
theory they may get greater support by going on to GSA. We need more | :59:48. | :59:57. | |
disability advisers in the job centre. That is one use for the | :59:58. | :00:03. | |
extra 100 million the Government is talking about. I want to make some | :00:04. | :00:24. | |
progress. There are many of these people with the condition that makes | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
a willingness for the employability market harder. Director denies there | :00:31. | :00:44. | |
may be a handful of individuals affected by the changes announced | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
here today. I happen to believe that it will follow the age-old pattern | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
that every time it gets changed more and more people end up in the | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
support group. We have seen that time and time again. I'm sure we | :01:05. | :01:16. | |
could end up being back here discussing a subgroup of the support | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
group, but we will not have the same policy framework in a few years, the | :01:22. | :01:30. | |
Government has been more radical. If this was a sole policy information, | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
I would share the concerns but it is not. We recognise the status quo is | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
inadequate and the Government is committed to reforming the work | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
capability assessment will stop a White Paper is coming which will | :01:46. | :01:55. | |
hopefully reform things. It is the last remaining disability benefit | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
that sees disability as a matter of physical rather than physical and | :02:04. | :02:12. | |
mental health. In addition, if we pass amendments eight and nine, what | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
we will not get is a ?100 million fund waste in the hands of the third | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
sector to support people with limited capacity for work to try to | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
get back into employment. That would be a waste of an opportunity. We | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
have managed to get 339,000 more people back into employment over the | :02:36. | :02:47. | |
past two years. The status quo we accept is inadequate. It will be the | :02:48. | :02:57. | |
worst of all worlds to lock in a failed policy that will benefit no | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
one at all. I would like to touch an amendment on. There is more | :03:02. | :03:14. | |
consensus on both sides on how we view poverty. I do not to levels of | :03:15. | :03:25. | |
income affect poverty. But I believe there are fundamental drivers which | :03:26. | :03:35. | |
need to be addressed. This is not the end of the policy journey. There | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
will be a White Paper on how we implement strategy and there will be | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
an opportunity to look at how we integrate different indicators into | :03:45. | :03:52. | |
the overall policy package. Amendment number one is | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
fundamentally flawed. It shows a misunderstanding of how government | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
works. You cannot place an obligation on the Government to | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
pursue two contradictory policy objectives in terms of tackling | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
poverty. If you're focusing solely on poverty plus a pound is the | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
answer and at the same time obliging the Government to look at life | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
chance indicators, it divides the attention of government. Members | :04:28. | :04:36. | |
opposite may disagree and are at liberty to do so. But they cannot | :04:37. | :04:48. | |
have both horses at once. The Minister has made clear that the | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
data will still be collected and published and the opposition will be | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
able to look at it, measure and assess it and others to account. | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
Amendment number one seeks to ensure that the Government fails on both | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
strategies. It does not allow us any latitude to pursue what we have an | :05:04. | :05:10. | |
election mandate for which is welfare reform. What I suspect will | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
happen is that when we get the life chances strategy it will be far more | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
sophisticated than what has gone before. It has struck me as utterly | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
perverse that the most effective and best way to reduce child poverty in | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
this country is to somehow provoke a recession because that will bring | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
the numbers down. Nobody can agree that is the best indicator to drive | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
this change. It astounds me that the party opposite for the sake of | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
posturing and what has happened in the other place decided this is | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
their chance to once again make a stand and try to prevent this | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
government doing something about it. I am proud to support what the | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
ministers trying to do. We have had decades under governments of all | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
persuasions on this issue and at last someone is trying to do | :06:08. | :06:18. | |
something and an the other side we have nothing but rhetoric and | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
opportunism. I am glad to have the opportunity to set out our | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
opposition to this. The SNP will be voting to keep the Lord's amendments | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
as part of the bill to take children and disabled people from poverty. In | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
October my colleagues and I made a series of amendments to this bill | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
which was sadly not successful but today I stand here calling for | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
members across this House to take this final of virginity to stand up | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
to this government's regressive and punitive Social Security cuts. I | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
will focus on the scrapping of child poverty reporting obligations, the | :07:00. | :07:13. | |
ending of the ESA Wrag and others. My colleagues will discuss other | :07:14. | :07:25. | |
factors. Removing the income related measures of child poverty and | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
replacing them with the reporting obligation for life chances for | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
children and scrapping the target to end child poverty by 2020. Scrapping | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
this when Joel poverty is on the rise is a dereliction of | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
responsibility and highlights the lack of will from members opposite | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
to do anything to reverse the growing numbers of low income | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
families both in and out of work living in poverty. Amendment number | :07:53. | :08:01. | |
one 62 in pose an additional reporting duty and the Secretary of | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
State to lay before the Houses of Parliament and annual report on | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
child poverty. This report should include data on the percentage of | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
children living in low income houses of various degrees. The Bishop of | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
Durham stressed the importance of income in understanding child | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
poverty and children's well-being. It was argued that income measures | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
would not displace other statutory measures relating to work listeners | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
and educational attainment. Baroness Sherlock supported the amendment, | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
noting it would cost nothing and that hold the Government to account | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
on child poverty. We find it incredible that the Government would | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
wish to remove all links to income in reporting child poverty. Income | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
is fundamental to whether you are in or out of poverty. There is simply | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
no getting away from that fact. We have no problem with the Government | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
choosing to report on life chances, substance misuse, family break-up | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
and unemployment by household but they cannot get away from the fact | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
that these things are not issues isolated to those in poverty. Far | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
from it. Using those alternative measures and isolation without | :09:28. | :09:37. | |
income figures is trying to characterise poverty is a lifestyle | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
choice. These issues can impact life chances but income deprivation all | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
was well. An alcoholic single parent may be capable for any number of | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
reasons of putting food on the table and keeping the House warm. That may | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
not be possible for a married couple with no substance problems on low | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
income. Why would this government to choose to ignore how many children | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
don't have an outdoor space to play in safely all the family to be able | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
to celebrate a special occasion for them or when they can eat fresh | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
fruit and vegetables every day. 1.7 million children live in families | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
that wants to heat their homes but cannot. Thousands of children cannot | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
have clothes. What is this if it is not poverty? We must continue | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
reporting on these matters and by removing reporting or applications | :10:42. | :10:52. | |
-- obligations the Government means effective strategies will not be in | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
place and the aim of eradicating child poverty in the UK will be | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
lost. Two thirds of children live in households live... Were someone is | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
work, while in poverty. By making fundamental changes we will not know | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
how these children are suffering and there is no accountability for this | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
government or future governments to respond. The Government's on | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
evidence review of the drivers of child poverty found a lack of | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
sufficient income from parental income, not just work listeners, is | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
the most important factor standing in the way of children being lifted | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
out of poverty. The report says, the main lack of | :11:34. | :11:45. | |
sufficient income from parental employment. That restrict the amount | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
of earnings and household has. This is due to working insufficient hours | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
and all low pay. The evidence is there. Income is fundamental. The | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
main factor in driving poverty, therefore it must be a factor in | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
measuring a child poverty. Now, one of the most common questions I get | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
asked when discussing my job in this place is whether Tory MPs we the | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
damage this Government is doing and is going to do to individuals, | :12:16. | :12:24. | |
families and society. Are they so out of touch or are they aware and | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
just don't care? I have to be honest, I struggle to answer to my | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
constituents and others. The briefings that we all get sent | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
highlight what is at stake. I'm sure the members opposite redone as I do. | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
Does their ideology just blind them to the damage that is being done? | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
Visits children's lies that we are talking about. Children whose | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
families have nothing. Of course we should try to tackle that. -- | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
children's alive his. We want it ended. Those who cannot see that and | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
those who will vote with the Government later have to question | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
whether their ideology will get a the way of their moral compass. I | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
turn now to the Government's desire to scrap ESA Wrag. Lords and | :13:10. | :13:20. | |
includes eight and 90 to remove clauses 13 and 14. -- eight and | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
nine. A number of us, including myself were at the gallery | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
spokesperson 's blog so eloquently. National Autistic Society, mencap | :13:32. | :13:45. | |
and scope. The report published on the 8th of December pointed out | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
something else, there is no evidence that ESA Wrag is detrimental to | :13:50. | :14:00. | |
people with disabilities going back to work. The proposed reduction is | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
likely to move those within this group further away from the labour | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
market, rather than closer to it. The removal of the ?30 per week | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
would reduce claimants from taking practical steps to going back to | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
work. The room reduction in financial support is likely to | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
prevent people from looking for work. They would risk taking a law | :14:25. | :14:33. | |
benefit should they lose their job in the future. The Government should | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
halt its proposed change to the SA Wrag, and Lord low in particular it | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
is very pertinent points during his consideration of these matters. He | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
emphasised that a drop in income of ?1500 per year would take ESA Wrag | :14:53. | :15:06. | |
claimants down and that could be catastrophic for many people | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
currently claiming ESA a Wrag. . He said it didn't stand up. The review | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
found barriers to disabled people seeking employment was not any | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
financial disincentive wrongly SA. Instead, I quote, their health | :15:22. | :15:30. | |
condition, impairment, difficulty with transport and a lack of | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
qualifications and experience in job opportunities. The gap was welcomed | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
but it would hinder one opportunities for those looking for | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
work. He also raised the issue of the need for a tailored personalised | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
support for disabled people to return to work. We might remember at | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
this stage that the Prime Minister, therefore the election last year | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
vowed not to cut benefits to disabled people. I have called from | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
an interview that he gave the BBC breakfast he that his covenant with | :16:03. | :16:12. | |
project disabled people from cuts. This makes an absolute mockery of | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
that pre-election pledge. This cut penalises disabled people looking | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
for work. It does nothing to help them act into work and will push so | :16:21. | :16:29. | |
many into poverty. I will give way. Given that it has been emphasised | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
time and time again the importance of evidence -based policy, is he not | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
struck by the fact that there is no evidence which suggests a reduction | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
of ?30 per week would actually push people more towards work? | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
I will come and thank the honourable member for his contribution. The | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
officer appealed to the case. There are disability groups with knowledge | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
in this area saying that this will hinder their opportunities in the | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
work. I welcome to contribute and I thank him for that. Baroness Grey | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
Thompson's speech in January on this area highlighted perfectly. I urge | :17:09. | :17:17. | |
those to read it quickly. She said, and I quote, if this measure goes | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
through, under Universal Credit, the flagship element of, and policy -- | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
governments policy, in comparison with a non-disabled parent, in | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
otherwise, the same circumstances. What to do this in for a disabled | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
characters that single, disabled parents working 60 hours or more, | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
living in rented accommodation and making a new kind were Universal | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
Credit in 2017 will receive about ?70 to recall 3.5 thousand pounds | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
per year of less than they would under the current system. Keeping | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
clause 14 in the bill will be devastating. It means that far from | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
being an incentive for disabled people to get into work, find work | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
and contributors and tidy future, those are deteriorating conditions | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
will be less likely to stay in work. -- contribute to society. I wonder, | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
when we were talking about evidence, the evidence that only one in 100 | :18:18. | :18:19. | |
disabled people are actually finding work shows that rather than the | :18:20. | :18:28. | |
intermediate stage of Wrag that he was suggesting earlier on, it | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
actually becomes a long-term group rather than an intermediate. The | :18:33. | :18:41. | |
Government's work programme has been a natural talent show that those who | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
are on ESA Wrag take more time to get back into work. Cutting away the | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
city boundary, they are cutting... The Government is cutting away their | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
ability to fine job opportunities. That is shameful. Again, I urge | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
everyone to read baroness Grey Thompson's speech from January | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
before voting this evening. A report in 2015 found that seven in ten said | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
a cut in ESA would cause their help to suffer, as the said it would make | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
their return to work later. A third said that they could not afford to | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
eat in the current amount they received from ESA Wrag. Scott is | :19:23. | :19:31. | |
concerned that this will detrimentally impact their financial | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
well-being, placing them further from work. -- Scope. 49% of disabled | :19:36. | :19:47. | |
people use credit cards or loans to pay for everyday items, including | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
food or clothing. Houses with disabled people living in them would | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
be much harder, where one third of those already living below the | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
poverty line. This reduction in income will have a devastating | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
impact on those with most need of Government support. As with the CSA | :20:08. | :20:16. | |
does not support... Then climbs above. These two things are not | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
related. Disabled people do not get it back to work support they need, I | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
as a viewpoint. An official independent review highlighted this, | :20:27. | :20:38. | |
saying they do not get back to work support. Reducing benefits of what | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
does not incentivise going back to work. It contains no evidence at | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
showing that reducing support to disabled people in need ESA a | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
ranking group will incentivise them to work. -- Wrag. Is the argument | :20:54. | :21:09. | |
was supported with quote saying that abolishing this would be | :21:10. | :21:18. | |
detrimental. A professor at the University of Kent agrees with this | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
saying that the removal could lead to an increase of people being | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
placed in support groups. The minister said in her speech that she | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
had worked with and listened to the likes of Scope, Macmillan and others | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
but they still oppose the cut. She has to answer why she believes that | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
this will be the case. I was interested to read a story in the | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
Guardian a few days ago, quoting the honourable member for Stafford, | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
Stevenage and south Cambridge. Respond to members of Tory MPs | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
putting pressure on the Government on this matter. My less frequently | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
do the Telegraph, but I believe there are also mentioned in there | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
this morning. -- I am a less frequent reader of the Telegraph. | :22:03. | :22:12. | |
The Honourable member of South Cambridgeshire wrote, it was a | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
brilliant article, what she said is, "What has suddenly changed in the | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
lives of these individuals that there are suddenly fit or not fit to | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
work? The beauty of this intermediate Wrag group is just | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
that. It is intermediate. Recovering from chemotherapy but needing to | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
keep the heat on that little bit more. Many people who are ill are | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
desperate to work but happily supported financially until they are | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
fit to work. There are economic barriers standing in their way. | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
Reducing financial support only serves to create a further humbled | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
to be overcome. Many of these people have worked and paid in for many | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
years before falling ill. They deserve better than this. The voters | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
to trust us to build a fairer society deserve better than this. " | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
I'd hate to her to her and her colleagues. Thank you for supporting | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
the above amendments today. I desperately hope that those | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
mentioned have been working on colleagues to join us in your lobby | :23:09. | :23:17. | |
later. These are the same issues with the cuts to tax credits with | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
many opposite lobbying hard on. This will impact on low impact, disabled | :23:22. | :23:30. | |
people looking for work and according to organisations mentioned | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
already, sit advice Scotland, etc will this incentivise people looking | :23:37. | :23:45. | |
to return to work. This welfare -- this incentivise. The assessment of | :23:46. | :23:54. | |
third sector organisations, opposition parties in the house of | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
Lords is that the amendments need to remain. We have seen Government | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
forcefully cart into the welcome U-turn on the benefit catalogue | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
errors. They have also been talking about benefit tax at the grand jury | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
for disabled people. We also know that the UN is investigating the | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
Government's Welfare Cap. Disabled people should not lead the icons to | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
Delhi Tories what is right in what is wrong. This is our last | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
opportunities. -- tell the Tories. Stop trying to slash the number of | :24:24. | :24:32. | |
people able to work's funding by ?30 per week. This is vindictive and | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
woefully lacks... I hope everyone will think carefully and consider | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
the impact it will have on people and only country. There was only one | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
course of action open to us today, oppose these proposals and support | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
the Lords amendments before us today. | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
I rise to speak today on amendments eight and nine. Reforming our | :24:57. | :25:04. | |
welfare state continues to be one of the greatest challenges facing this | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
and previous governments. We are making progress with record levels | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
of employment and the welfare and reform Bill at the heart of this. | :25:14. | :25:22. | |
Welfare must change. It placed restrictions on the aspirations of | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
so many people. Bright employees work shackled to the state by the | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
barrier of 16 hours of employment. Some people doubt the power of | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
universal credits to transform lives. I am in no doubt it marks the | :25:38. | :25:45. | |
beginning of a new age where the individual and the state are | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
partners in the future opportunities of that individual and their family. | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
But I feel sense of deja vu. Change must happen but in a way those | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
affected by the change can prepare. Today we are debating whether we can | :26:05. | :26:15. | |
cut the Wrag allowance. The DWP speak of a White Paper that will | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
provide their strategy of offering a different kind of support to help | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
those people return to work. There is apparently also some ?100 million | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
available by 2020-21. I have listened intently for reassurance as | :26:33. | :26:40. | |
to how that money will be spent. She says he task force will be set up | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
but this should have happened before decisions were made to reduce | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
financial support. I am uncomfortable to agree to these cuts | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
and telling you what the new world will look like for these people. I | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
don't believe men touring and support alone will hide the home of | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
someone recovering from chemotherapy nor help out the man with | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
Parkinson's who needs extra help. I remain unconvinced that these people | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
do not also have an eventual needs. The DWP said many people say stuck | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
in the group for too long, two years. I would question the | :27:19. | :27:27. | |
conclusion they are incentivised to stay there financially. That says | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
more about DWP failures than an active choice of the claimant. | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
People do not have an easy time. They must demonstrate an appetite to | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
be transitioned to work and face sanctions if not. Anyone who has | :27:49. | :27:58. | |
suffered cancer is likely to want to go back to normal life. Many of my | :27:59. | :28:12. | |
constituency would stand to lose ?30 of their weekly income if we accept | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
this bill in its original form and ignore the Lords. I need to see more | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
detail of the White Paper contents and hear the financial support that | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
will be made available before I can fully support the Government. If we | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
do not get this right we will damage the employment prospects of | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
vulnerable claimants but also our reputation and trust amongst the | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
electorate, and to secure my trust I must believe in the White Paper and | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
that a ?100 million is going to go some way towards those people. This | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
is my warning shot to government. I will not support them today. I may | :28:54. | :29:01. | |
abstain, but only for today. Let's get the details right. Let's be a | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
government of sweeping strategic change but also one with a | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
compassion and the dexterity to look after the little man as well. One of | :29:13. | :29:22. | |
the big changes of this Parliament to previous parliaments is that when | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
we now debate welfare reform there are too many speakers whereas in | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
previous parliaments the whips had a key job of pushing as in to speak. I | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
will try to be briefed but I am immensely pleased to follow the | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
member for South Cambridgeshire not only because of the role she plays | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
in the House but also the particular role she plays an this site | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
committee of which I am also a member. Like her, I wish to speak in | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
favour of the Lords amendments eight and nine but I want to question | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
whether the Lords are right on amendment on and I do so not because | :30:01. | :30:09. | |
I think it isn't necessary for us to more regularly consider whether | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
those people out of work in our society have adequate income. I | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
think it is true that most of us would find it near impossible to | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
live on the scale rates, as their cruelly cold, that we give to people | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
out of work. That millions to shows a credit to their budgeting skills | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
which most of us do not possess. This debate is more than that. It is | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
more than about the importance of thinking what that minimum income | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
is, but it is a strategy to prevent as forever and a day in the House of | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
Commons debating the numbers of people who are poor in this country | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
and it may be that the report the Prime Minister asked me to write | :31:00. | :31:08. | |
about preventing poor children becoming poor adults please is not | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
part in government strategy on life chances because I argued while | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
income is important merely measuring income is inadequate in successfully | :31:20. | :31:25. | |
countering the extent of poverty in the country. We should look at the | :31:26. | :31:36. | |
drivers of poverty. As soon as IM back to that analysis I was struck | :31:37. | :31:44. | |
going to visit reception teachers in different parts of the country who | :31:45. | :31:53. | |
volunteered information that within the first half term of skill they | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
could predict where those children would end up. They could say | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
confidently who would be head girl, who would find it easy to fly in | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
this world and who would struggle and fail. That got me to think about | :32:09. | :32:18. | |
whether we needed to move beyond merely measuring poverty against | :32:19. | :32:28. | |
life chances. I am grateful. I wonder if he would accept that all | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
that the amendment on does is require that income -based measures | :32:36. | :32:46. | |
are reported alongside other factors, not instead of. The report | :32:47. | :32:57. | |
I issued said we should come to new -- continue to publish all data. | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
There is more to this debate than what is on the record. There has | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
historically been a big divide between those who see that money is | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
the only agent to counter poverty, and it clearly makes it easier for | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
people if they have more money than less, but whether it actually chance | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
farms life chances in the wake we wish to see is the question which I | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
posed. We wanted to know, taking into account how important income is | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
and also class in determining life chances, were the drivers of poverty | :33:33. | :33:40. | |
more powerful than income and class? The report lists those which are | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
more powerful if you hold income and class constant. What are the factors | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
that sure we can make progress even if we are not making the progress we | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
would like to see on a more fair distribution of income. While we | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
ought to have a debate about the minimum levels of income and how | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
adequate they are this side of the House and many of the other side who | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
aren't disturbed by the gross inequalities in our society don't | :34:16. | :34:23. | |
think we will deal with those by benefit changes. Throughout the | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
Western world there are great drivers of inequality that serve up | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
to the rich and particularly the very very rich rewards which are | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
grotesque impaired with the average, let alone those who learn at least | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
in our communities. There is no debate about that. It is about in | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
any point of time where should we put taxpayer money? People have | :34:48. | :34:56. | |
talked about governments as having money but we have to tax people to | :34:57. | :35:06. | |
get money and win their support. We are beginning solely as a house to | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
accept that it is dangerous to have a welfare system more generous to | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
those out of work than those in work. That is why I welcome the | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequers strategy of moving towards a living | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
wage over the life of the Parliament. It is only a beginning | :35:26. | :35:32. | |
but it is a very important beginning because if we are successful in | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
moving to that living wage without big unemployment consequences, and I | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
believe we will be, it gives us more freedom to manoeuvre about where we | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
should set our benefit levels. My plea today is that we shouldn't | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
think it is one or the other. The Government will publish the data. | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
I'm sure if we had a chat to them they could publish it alongside the | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
life chances data. That is not what the debate is about. It is about | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
those who believe is the only agent of change is income and I don't want | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
to concede any grounds to anybody in emphasising the importance of | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
income, particularly those at the bottom of the pile, working or not | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
working, but the report on the foundation years, if we were serious | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
about preventing poor children becoming poor adults, we need a | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
different strategy to that which we adopted up to that point, which was | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
about cash transfers, important as they are, but I thought it was | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
inadequate. Given what was reception teachers said, and here I make a | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
plea to the Government, that by those children -- by the time that | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
you can come to school they know who will succeed or not, I asked other | :36:55. | :37:03. | |
people, health visitors and children as toddlers, could they tell us who | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
would be successful? They had very clear views issue as drawn the short | :37:08. | :37:15. | |
straw and who has not. If we are serious about this tragedy, it will | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
take the power to add these measurements in, but we need to | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
measure whether we are increasing life chances by more parents being | :37:30. | :37:38. | |
ready for births than less, whether interventions after that are | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
successful, and whether those children... With those children are | :37:42. | :37:50. | |
entering school and ready to benefit in education. Is it not the case | :37:51. | :38:00. | |
that measuring at Key stage four when a young person is so utterly | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
after the horse has bolted that we will not have any impact? Teachers | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
report a year's difference in the ability to communicate by the time a | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
child is five. We must change that. I don't think any of us are talking | :38:19. | :38:26. | |
about money or life chances, we are arguing for both. This shows how the | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
debate is changing because it wasn't always. I conclude by emphasising | :38:33. | :38:43. | |
the point she made a stop I was staggered when the Secretary of | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
State said one of the key wife chances was when children were at | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
16, given he has done more than anybody in now house teaches how | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
crucial life chances before five are if we are to change opportunities | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
and allow people to develop themselves best. I hope that when we | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
conclude the debate the Treasury bench will be able to say more about | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
just how important those life chances before five are. Measure at | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
other ages if you want to but if we're serious about changing the | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
life chances of poorest children in our constituencies then we should go | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
for a series of life chances long before they reach school. Every | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
reception teacher I met will tell you that life is over by the time | :39:37. | :39:45. | |
they come into school. So an emphasis on trying to present both | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
how the debate has developed in the last ten years, how much I welcome | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
that, but also I hope I put clearly why I think the Lords are mistaken | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
with the first Amendment and how much I agree with the case my right | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
honourable friend made about support for amendments eight and nine. | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
I was going to call Mr Maynard but I just realised he has already spoken. | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
He does not need to repeat his speech. He was on the list but he | :40:24. | :40:33. | |
has been ticked off it. Thank you. It is a particular pleasure to | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
follow the member for Birkenhead who speaks with unrivalled expertise on | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
these matters of course. I agree with the fundamental point that he | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
made. I would like to speak to pose Lords amendment one which seeks to | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
an end clause four of the bill is passed by this house. I do so as a | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
member of the Bill committee which scrutinised this legislation 15 | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
sessions are so if I recall last autumn. Clause four of the bill, as | :41:02. | :41:09. | |
passed by this house, introduces a new duty by the Secretary of State | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
to report annually on to life chances measures. Firstly, the | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
abortion of children living in workless households, and secondly -- | :41:18. | :41:27. | |
proportion of children. In effect, it reveals most of the Child poverty | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
action 2010. The awards and amendment seeks, in effect, to | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
replicate part of that act that relate to the proportion of children | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
living in poverty. This requires the Secretary of State to report on for | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
specific measures. Relative low income, combined low income and | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
material deprivation, absolute low income and persistent poverty. The | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
bill, as passed by this house, does not mean the Government will stop | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
measuring and publishing such data on household income. The Government | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
will continue to publish low income data in the households below average | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
income publication annually. Now, this data includes, and members | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
might get a sense of deja vu all over again, this data includes | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
relative low income, combined low income and material deprivation. | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
Now, that probably rings bells because those caught breweries, | :42:30. | :42:37. | |
categories replicate everything in this bill. To put it simply, the | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
Government is already doing it. The information is available for all | :42:43. | :42:51. | |
proceeds and will to be so. The publication of a protected status as | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
a national statistics product and ministers have undertaken in the | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
south to publish as they annually. So, this particular amendment from | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
their logic's house, and I say this with the greatest respect, is simply | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
unnecessary. It's a fact to replicate something which the | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
Government is already doing. Of course I give way. My understanding | :43:12. | :43:19. | |
is, with all due respect to the honourable member, there is no | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
statutory obligation to that and there is certainly no statutory | :43:23. | :43:30. | |
obligation. Well, the Government has made a commitment to continued, | :43:31. | :43:42. | |
annually, to publish this data. Under the previous Labour | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
governments, the number of households where nobody worked | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
double. In the work poverty increased. The Government missed its | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
target by 600,000. So, this will, as passed by this house, does not | :43:57. | :44:04. | |
redefine poverty to exclude income. Some of its opponents often say. | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
That argument assumes that measuring income is an effective or they a | :44:09. | :44:16. | |
helpful way of measuring poverty in the first place. It is none of those | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
things. In that respect, the 2010 act was flawed in its approach. The | :44:20. | :44:27. | |
current income measures in the act show that the number of children in | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
relative poverty can actually go down in a recession, but are in | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
times of growth. That is simply perverse. Furthermore, the measures | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
incentivise what is often known as a poverty plus a pound approach. That | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
is where families seemingly can be moved out of poverty without any | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
change whatsoever in the underlying factors that got him into that | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
position of low income in the first place. The act is simply not being | :44:52. | :45:00. | |
what it is intended to do. I thank the honourable member for giving | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
way. Will he agree with me that under the current measures, the only | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
way to eliminate poverty is to collapse the economy completely and | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
make everyone poor? The 2010 act is flawed. In seeking, in effect the | :45:18. | :45:27. | |
provisions, I found these were wanting. Let's look at what the bill | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
in its current form as passed by the sounds was actually do and why | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
therefore, the amendment from their logic would not, in my estimation, | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
be in seeking to reverse these measures. What the current build | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
ours is enshrined in legislation the Government's commitment to end child | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
poverty and to remove children's life chances. It focuses on the | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
actions that will make the biggest difference to the life chances of | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
children and young people. Both now and in the future. We need measures | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
that will drive the right action to tackle the root causes of poverty, | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
rather than just the symptoms. That is why the proposals in the bill | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
introduced the new life chances measures of worklessness and | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
educational attainment. The policies of this Government in targeted life | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
chances look importantly at outcomes, not input. It is a | :46:28. | :46:30. | |
comprehensive approach. It recognises that the real root out of | :46:31. | :46:42. | |
poverty is work. -- route. 70% of less well off families who have | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
undercover escape the poverty drought, if one can use that phrase. | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
What that each to do is replace the holy arbitrary measure that a | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
household is in poverty if it's income is below the average minimum | :46:57. | :47:06. | |
wage. In a recession, it is irrelevant. It gives the false | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
impression that fewer households are in poverty as their income is seen | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
to rise. A recession leading to less poverty? The figures simply don't | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
add up. It's a discredited system. It did nothing under the previous | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
Government to tackle the underlying root cause of childhood poverty. | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
These amendments, the other, I submit are wrong in effect to try | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
and reinstate that old discredited system. It really is... It beggars | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
belief, I have to say that there are people who believe that we can base | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
our strategy for improving children's life chances on income | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
measures that would suggest the rust recession somehow caused a | :47:53. | :47:54. | |
significant fall in child poverty. Of course we shouldn't. -- the last | :47:55. | :48:03. | |
recession. Yes, of course I'll give way. Of course, that is why it is | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
important to have a package of measures. So we can look at all | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
aspects of how children and their families are living in poverty. Not | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
just the relative low income measure of others such as material | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
deprivation, which is critically important. And indeed material | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
deprivation is one of things that will continue to be measured. It is | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
built there. I'm sure the Minister will rise to her feet and live like | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
this but it is a commitment made to the house that the measure of | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
material deprivation will continue to be given proper publication | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
annually and is part of the official of an as Government statistics. That | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
will continue to be the case. -- ONS. We get the statistics, we get | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
the commitment that those are going to be published annually and | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
enshrined by ONS and this Government. We get what the | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
Government is suggesting in its original bill as passed by the | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
south, we get the further measures of attainment. We get that. We get | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
the best of both worlds. I won't give away because he has had a | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
couple of pints of this particular cherry. Order, order. Can I just say | :49:19. | :49:27. | |
to the honourable gentleman of entry and shots that he has given us his | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
thoughts in 90 minutes and we are gratified. 11 people wanting to seek | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
and she is perfectly OK to drive. The considering of each other. -- | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
the honourable gentleman from Airdrie and Shotts. Moving | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
households to want employment is what improve the life chances of | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
younger people in your long term. That is why this Government is so | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
focused on getting parents into work and then getting their children into | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
work to education. We are tackling the cycle of deprivation which has | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
stifled too many children from realising their full potential for | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
too long. And has condemned generation after generation to a | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
life were under achievement and a lack of aspiration become | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
inevitable. What this Government is seeking to do is to fundamentally | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
change that cycle. We are committed to a far more effective approach and | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
that is to tackle the root causes of poverty, issues such as educational | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
attainment and family stability. Work remains the best route out of | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
poverty. I'll educational attainment is the best route into work. That is | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
why the bill, as passed by this house, seeks to introduce those two | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
key measures that we have referenced, namely the proportion of | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
children living in workless household and educational attainment | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
at age 16. These are the factors with the greatest impact on child | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
poverty and new life chances of children. That is why the Government | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
is focusing on them. In conclusion, the amendments from their Lordships | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
suggest a reliance on spurious measures which do nothing to tackle | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
the problems at source. These amendments are misguided and that is | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
why we should not support them in the division that the end of this | :51:27. | :51:38. | |
debate. Thank you. It is a an important debate to take part in and | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
I will try to be quick. I would just like to point out to the member for | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
North Devon that we already tried to measure educational attainment and | :51:50. | :51:51. | |
worklessness. That is not a question. It is what matters. I want | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
go into detail about the spurious measures because I feel quite sure | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
that my friend, the member for Bishop Auckland is about to do that. | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
I will be that to her. I just want to bring this back to the basics and | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
ask what it is the debating today when it comes to transparency child | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
poverty? It is a very simple question about what we in this house | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
believes poverty to be. Should it be defined as a measure of income or as | :52:24. | :52:30. | |
a measure of educational attainment and worklessness? As I have said, | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
these are all things that we already measure in other parts of Government | :52:34. | :52:40. | |
statistical information about what is happening in the country. The | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
question is, what does the law say about what poverty is? I ask myself | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
this question, does how much money you have make you Paul? It seems | :52:49. | :52:56. | |
quite obvious to me, Mr Speaker, that it does -- poor. You could have | :52:57. | :53:06. | |
a parent who is unable to work that many Howard, doesn't have a | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
well-paid job, but you would not suffer from worklessness, you would | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
still be bought. You could be a child achieving great things at | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
school. Getting all your certificate of occasions and still suffer the | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
impacts at home of not having enough money. Plenty of children go to | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
school and work really hard and do well, despite seeing their parents | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
suffer from the stress of trying to pay the mortgage on the rent, not | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
having enough money to put electricity meter to wash their | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
school uniform. That happens to plenty of children. It is not about | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
educational attainment worklessness. This is about the fact that the | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
cause of poverty is not having enough money. Why does this happen? | :53:49. | :53:56. | |
-- why does this matter? Matters because the Tories are going to make | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
people poor. Specifically, they are going to make children ball. Poor | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
Children. We know that because families will be worse off. Many | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
will be in work and their children will be affected, whatever the | :54:14. | :54:15. | |
qualities of their teachers at school, which may be Regent. In this | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
country, we have some fantastic schools. They help children drive, | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
despite poverty at home. The question is this also what shall we | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
do about it? The Government have explained that they don't think | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
money makes a difference to life chances. Why would anyone listen to | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
me? I met Labour politician. That's what I think. There is independent | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
evidence and the Shadow minister, I thought, gave a fantastic speech | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
explaining that. In addition, Judy Stewart and Charis Cooper reviewed | :54:50. | :55:00. | |
whether in, affected children across the country. They found a family | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
income matters. What is the point in having some of the world's finest | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
research as if we do not listen to them? Over 250 replies to Government | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
on this issue, when they had a consultation, we know through an | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
FOIA request that only two of those replies agree with the Government | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
desire to forget about reporting on the income desire. Only a bad | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
majority of people agreed that money matters. In conclusion, I say this | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
issue matters. The awards are right for two reasons. It matters that the | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
principle, it matters because of the evidence. It is possible to be poor | :55:39. | :55:50. | |
and in work. It is possible to be poor and doing well in school. It | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
matters what these pupils lives are like. We must not forget about being | :55:55. | :56:03. | |
transparent any poverty. It is because of ill-health and that is | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
why it matters. On the evidence which says money matters alongside a | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
good education and a healthy life, it says money matters for outcomes. | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
We disadvantage embedded into our country. Let us not say to those who | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
work to hard for too little, you don't count. Let us not save two | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
children doing well at school this by poverty at home, you don't count. | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
Under half of those families and all families and their children, I ask | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
the Government to think again. I'd like to address amendments eight | :56:35. | :56:51. | |
and nine and the question of ESA and the work-related activity group, the | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
group of people who have limited capacity for work. I support the | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
intention of the Government to see more people on ESA to go back into | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
work but this is not happening, with only 1% per month of a group | :57:05. | :57:07. |