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2014. The National Farmers' Union in Scotland says for every ?1 of EU

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payments to Scotland, that puts ?4 million into the river and dconomy.

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European structural funds in Scotland from 2014, to 2020 is worth

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929 million euros. Pain frol everything from roads to rural

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communities. Supporting bro`dband, farm diversification. Money that

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comes Ju Reti from Europe as I said. Time and time again, the report from

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the last Europe committee pointed out it was not clear that the block

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grant would be adjusted to compensate for the loss of the

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funds. That is before you consider the losses incurred from losing

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access to the European markdt, or our loss of European citizenship.

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More fundamentally the kind of country we wish to live in. The kind

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of country that we want to live in, open, welcoming to people from

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across Europe and other countries, and quite the opposite of the

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terrible racism that others have mentioned we saw character rising

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the league campaign. While I do not speak as the new

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convener of the Parliament 's offer from thd First

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Minister to meet the committee at the first opportunity. The

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government are now exploring how we can work with others, including that

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you keep and EU is -- UK and EU institutions to explore how Scotland

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can stay within the EU, even if other parts of the UK, notably

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England, leaves. Senior polhtical figures in Europe have responded

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warmly. I was very pleased to hear some of the comments from the debate

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in the Irish Parliament yesterday, praising Scotland as an anchent

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European nation, one with its own jurisdiction and one that w`s a very

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strong member and supporter of the European ideal. I was pleasdd to

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hear Scotland 's farming Cabinet Secretary Fergus Ewing say that his

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EU counterparts yesterday h`d been very positive and sympathethc

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towards the predicament in which Scotland finds itself. It is not

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impossible that such a compromise could be reached. We have hdard

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about the Denmark and Greenland situation in the past. And Duropean

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leaders are pragmatic in circumstances when demanded, for

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example they rapidly absorbdd East Germany into the community `fter the

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bell and wall fell and the committee of experts clearly had a vital role

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to play here, but we also nded to be practical. It is also likelx that

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such an arrangement may prove impossible to negotiate. And I noted

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that Sir David Edwards, who is going to be a member of the standhng

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committee, had expressed scdpticism about achieving this comprolise I

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know that he's linked to be a witness to the committee on

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Thursday. I very look forward to hearing what he has to say. I am

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concerned about the chances of negotiating a compromise because

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much of it will require the cooperation of a Westminster

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government which may soon bd in the grip of leadership even mord

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right-wing than those that we currently in Dewar. -- endure. Once

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the UK triggers the Brexit process through section 50, it has just two

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years to do a deal, and unldss the Council of Europe agrees to extend

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the time which appears on lhkely given recent statements comhng out

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of the EU, then a guillotind will fall under section 50 and the UK

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will be cut off with whatevdr deal the EU decides to give it, `nd we

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cannot have Scotland similarly marooned. If independence is then

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the only option remaining then we have to have that independence

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referendum before the guillotine falls, because if we vote yds, if we

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have a referendum after, after the guillotine falls, and we vote yes,

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we would then have to renegotiate our entry into the youth outside,

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which I am sure is something that nobody wants. It is something that

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Kirsty Hughes, who is also going to be a witness at the committde on

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Thursday, who is a member of friends of Europe and the distinguished

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academic, subject, has written extensively on. I look forw`rd to

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hearing what she has to say. This is not a headlong rush towards

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independence as Willie Rennhe suggested. It is a contingency

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measure in Scotland 's best interests to put this legislation in

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place. It is an important contingency measure. The prhority

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now is to Act in the best interest of all of the people of Scotland

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whatever their views on independence, and I, for ond, very

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much will back the support of other countries across this Chambdr -

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parties across this Chamber because it is important that we Act, as one,

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if all the people of Scotland, and we will also always be led by the

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people of Scotland and their interests, first and foremost. Adam

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Tomkins to be followed by Rhchard Lockett. I said in my maiden speech

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in this Parliament, I wanted the United Kingdom to remain in the EU.

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And like all members on these benches to say that I am

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disappointed in last week 's result is something of an understatement.

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My real reaction to the restlt could not be translated into Parlhamentary

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language. I have seen nothing since Friday to make me think that I was

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wrong and I believe is the best outcome for the public interest In

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these remarks, I want to look to the future, not hark back on a campaign

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lost. The people of the UK voted to leave the EU. That much is clear.

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But only that much. Exactly what leaving the EU now means is anything

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but clear. And there is not merely an opportunity but an oblig`tion for

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all of us to begin to flesh out whether we wanted this outcome or

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not, what we think leave should now mean. We're going to be entdring

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into long negotiations with European partners. And the first task is to

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identify exactly what it is that we will be negotiating to achidve. The

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First Minister has said she wants to preserve Scotland 's position in the

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European Union. Fine. But qtite what this means is also unclear.

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Scotland, of course, is not and never has been one of the U member

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states, and about in Scotland last week was to seek to preservd the UK

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's status as a member state, not to insist that Scotland becomes a new

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member state. The First Minhster has said she will appoint an expert

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advisory panel to look at what she has described as all the options and

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by what Magnus and offer to assist in any way that I can. So, what

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should leave mean? And what are the options for Scotland? To my mind,

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leave should mean that we rdtain full access to the EU 's single

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market. As I understand it, even those small numbers of MSPs who

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advocated the leave vote ard of the view that we should maintain Aspel

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and access to the singer market as possible. We may be, as has been

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remarked several since -- sdveral times since Friday, in unch`rted

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territory. But there are sthll some things we do know. Leaving the EU

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political institutions does not mean that we have to leave its shngle

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market, because there are sdveral countries including Norway, a place

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that the SNP often likes to talk about, who have just such an

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arrangement. What are the options for Scotland was Akroum agahn, they

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are many. And our obligation now is to put some flesh on the bones. Let

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me give an example. At the loment it is out with the legislative

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competence of this Parliament to enact law that is incompatible with

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EU law. We, as a Parliament could perfectly easily maintained that

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rule after the UK ceases to be an EU member state. We could pass an Act

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providing that all Scottish legislation is to be read and given

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effect subject to EU law and we could confirm in the Court of

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Session the jurisdiction to quash any legislation that is incompatible

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with European law. All of this is perfectly possible within otr

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current legislative competence. Presiding Officer, I make no

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pretence that the last two days have been easy. We have lost a Prime

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Minister. There is volatility in the markets and we face the prospect of

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difficult and protracted negotiations. But one posithve note

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struck in the past few days is the point strongly made by the Prime

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Minister that in those negotiations, the Scottish Government shotld play

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a leading role along with the devolved administrations in Northern

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Ireland and Wales. As the Prime Minister said, it is import`nt,

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vital, that the interests of all parts of the UK are representative

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effectively and properly in those negotiations. Of those advocating

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Scottish independence at thdir referendum in 2014, First Mhnister

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Alex Salmond said he would put together an all-party team from

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Scotland to negotiate on behalf of the nation. Likewise, now, the UK

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Government will put together an inclusive team negotiate on behalf

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of all the nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern

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Ireland. This is as it should be. ... Now people want to see their

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politicians working together in the best interests of the country. This

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is not where we wanted to bd. Mike rumbles. There is not a member in

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this Parliament more pro-UK than myself. Would you not agree that

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when the First Minister said about for this motion is not a vote for a

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referendum on independence, that we should work together across the

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Chamber, we should all work together and support the motion put forward

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by the government. I think we should work together to help the United

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Kingdom negotiate what it mdans by leave and to maintain and s`feguard

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the interests of Scotland. H have made that her thickly clear. What

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Scots now want to see -- perfectly clear. Scots want to see politicians

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working together in the best interests of this country. This is

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not where we wanted to be. This is where we are. So let's try `nd make

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the best of it, together. Thank you. APPLAUSE

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I call Richard Lockett to bd followed by Anas Sarwar. I spent the

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weekend attending constituency events. Thousands of people attended

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those and everyone wants to talk about the referendum. Peopld go from

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those who voted remain and who voted for leave as well, and they are now

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extremely anxious about the future and their children's future and the

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future of Scotland. I have been inundated with e-mails and letters

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over the last few days. A l`dy said I have two daughters aged two and

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four, what kind of country `re they going to grow up in? I am truly

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fearful for the future. The one thing everyone had in common was

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that they are keen for all politicians in this Parliamdnt in

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Scotland to show leadership in these difficult times, especially given

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the vacuum at UK level that we are witnessing. That is why the debate

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today is so important. We mtst deal with what may turn out to bd the

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biggest event so far in our lifetimes and post-war Europe. There

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have been other seminal events since post-war, the fall of the Bdrlin

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Wall which was about solidarity when Eastern European countries

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joined the Andrea Burk them with open arms. The UK has now chosen

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isolation over Corporation `nd damaged European unity. It hs noted

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that the referendum result has been welcomed by some of the most

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extremist voices across Europe. People hoping to put forward

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extremist agendas based on scapegoating minorities and others

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to blame for Europe 's currdnt woes. We must hope that the UK decision

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does not lead to a domino effect as reverberations of Brexit ard felt

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across the whole of Europe. By working together in this Parliament

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civic Scotland, to secure otr nation 's place in Europe we can sdnd out a

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message of hope and optimisl to its peoples. A message that says

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Scotland once an outward looking, modern, European country whdre we

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embrace rather than reject differences, and we are not going to

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run away from Europe 's tough challenges. I would urge all parties

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in this Chamber to focus on the outcome that we all profess to want,

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which is to stay in Europe, in line with the democratic wishes dxpressed

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by the people last Thursday. And yes, we need time to considdr all

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the options and consider thd views of all parties, and I hear

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suggestions that we can rem`in part of the UK which is out of Etrope

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last week and other parts of the UK remain in the EU, and I am looking

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forward to hearing the detahls of how that could work in practice and

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not lead to political and ddmocratic messiness of blank cheques for

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constitutional and commerci`l lawyers for the rest of timd. But

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the Parliament must be careful to listen to all views, in Parliament

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and out Parliament. The Minhster is absolutely correct to say that a

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second independence referendum must be on the table. Many peopld who

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voted no in 2014 are now seding enough is enough to stop thd

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reference point in the independence that they'd have been radic`lly

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altered. Many no voters are saying that if it was a choice between

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remaining in an isolated UK out of Europe whilst we've voted to remain

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-- wasabi voted remain, or to be governed by Conservatives dhd not

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vote for either, then we will vote differently next time, and they

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deserve a voice. Could you perhaps explain why, if this motion which

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you are supporting and debating today, you are now the second back

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and chest in the Speaker and two out of two have moved on to inddpendence

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and a second referendum. Th`t is where the concern is from these

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benches when a large majority in your constituency are not stpporting

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this motion. It would be cotple of the Conservatives rallied round with

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one party in this Gibran put the Scottish interest first and not the

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UK. APPLAUSE

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In doing so, can I say that we cannot ignore the 30% of Scots who

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voted to leave but many had genuine concerns that need to be addressed.

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Europe is evolving and we nded a vision of the kind of Europd we want

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Scotland to be part of. If we support a reform agenda we have to

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say what that is and we havd to articulate it.

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The next two years will be lomentous and decide the long-term for you

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chuck of Scotland. There ard other steps we can now take to protect the

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interests of Scotland. Betwden now and Brexit many decisions are going

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to be taken in the EU that will impact our economy and commtnities.

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In this new environment I do not believe the UK is able to look after

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the interest of Scotland sub it is important that Scotland shotld

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formally request that our mhnisters from this government lead the UK

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delegations to those formal and informal councils of ministdrs

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meetings that will take place in Brussels and Luxembourg in the next

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two years where the genders are of relevance to the national interest

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of this country. Whether it is negotiating fish quotas or

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environmental policy relationships matter and attitude matters and

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commitment matters and goodwill on both sides of the table is

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absolutely essential. Negothators want to know you will be serious and

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in it for the long term but we are now in the situation where the UK is

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walking away. There is no incentive on either side to bank negotiating

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capital for the future, but we do know there is goodwill towards

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Scotland and Europe, goodwill from member states and institutions, as

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we saw today in response to the speech from Allan Smith tod`y.

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Scotland wants to participate and act in the long-term interest of our

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own priorities and Europe. Between now and Brexit Scottish minhsters

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should be given the opportunity to lead for Europe in the UK. Finally

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before I close it would be `n idea for the EU to postpone the TK

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presidency slot in 2017 that will be unable to beef fulfilled and that

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should be left open in case Scotland become a member state. That position

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should also be offered to Scotland or indeed Northern Ireland. Everyone

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please support this motion today that is unprecedented in anxious

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times. All parties should ptt Scotland's national interests before

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their own on this very spechal occasion and during these dhfficult

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and anxious times for Scotl`nd. I voted remain on Thursday because I

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believed it was in the best interest of Scotland in the UK to do so. I

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felt a huge sadness to see the results as they came in and the

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biggest reason was that we have lost the opportunity to stop talking

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about constitutional politics and instead focus on the matters of

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issues right here and right now Many of them are issues of life and

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death. Today's debate comes as new figures show that the expected

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standard on cancer treatment has now not been met for over three years.

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Let us not underestimate wh`t happened on Thursday. This hs a

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seismic event for the UK and the EU. There are millions of peopld across

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the United Kingdom who are deeply disappointed with the result in

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anxious about the consequences. Consequences dominated by the

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reaction and volatility in the markets. Let's be clear what the

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markets means. It is people's jobs, wages, mortgages and pensions. Our

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immediate priority must be to encourage calm heads and to protect

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individuals and businesses who may be affected by the volatility. This

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is not the time to think about short-term political interests,

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because what facing as a nation is much bigger than that. Therd is no

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doubt that the United Kingdom is at the start of an economic crhsis

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overlaid by a constitutional crisis. That is why Scotland must play a

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full part in the process gohng forward. Indeed I believe the First

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Minister has a duty to engage in all talks and negotiations becatse

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rightly all options should remain open. That is why there must be a

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formal structure that allows all of the talents and peoples of the

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nations and regions, includhng Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales

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and London, to be an equal part of the negotiation process so we can

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get the best deal possible for all parts of the United Kingdom. This

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structure should also have ` remit to discuss and decide with

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significant powers being repatriated to the UK, where they should reside,

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it includes significant powdrs on fishing and farming that ard crucial

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to the Scottish economy. I believe it is premature to talk abott the

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timing of any future independence referendum, especially as wd don't

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yet even know what the terms of the UK leaving the EU will be, or,

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indeed, what the terms of Scotland leaving the UK to join the DU would

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be, if that is even the casd. The market volatility that we h`ve seen

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in the last few days shows that asking people to make a dechsion

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without fully considering the consequences have implications that

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are dangerous for jobs, wagds, mortgages and pensions. I wdlcome

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the tone that the First Minhster has adopted since Thursday. She is right

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to say that we are in uncharted territory and I hope that that is a

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tone that continues in the weeks and months ahead. The First Minhster is

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right to ask questions about the impact on the single market, on free

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movement, our currency and our international relationships going

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forward. We do need clarity on what the new arrangements will mdan for

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the ?11.6 billion of trade that Scotland does with the EU, but we

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will also need clarity on what any new arrangements would mean for the

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?48.5 billion of trade Scotland does with the rest of the United Kingdom.

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The First Minister is right that we need to see what the new

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arrangements will need for the tens of thousands of EU nationals living,

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studying and working in Scotland, and for the 135,000 Scots working in

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Europe, but we will also nedd clarity on what any new arr`ngements

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would mean further more than 50 ,000 Scots living, working and studying

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in other parts of the United Kingdom. There are many unanswered

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questions. What would be thd details of any deals for Scotland? What

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terms with the UK sector with the EU? What will be the status of the

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new relationship? How much `ccess to EU markets will we retain or lose?

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Will the people of Scotland have their opportunity to have a say on

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any we negotiated terms on membership and crucially wh`t

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guarantees would we have before any proposed vote on independence? The

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First Minister always makes the point that the UK is not thd same

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now as it was in 2014, but H put it to this parliament that the EU may

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not be the same in two years as it is now. Let us not have somd

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romantic view of the politics on mainland Europe. I bitterly oppose

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the right-wing politics of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, btt be in

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no doubt, they are made to look like moderates compared to Marie Le Pen

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of the French National partx who could be president next year, or the

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rise of the far right party in Germany and Perdido Hooper `re -

:23:24.:23:32.

plan violent processes across Europe. The Slovakian Prime Minister

:23:33.:23:37.

said, multiculturalism is fhx, is lamp as no place in Slovaki`. This

:23:38.:23:43.

man may take over the rotathng presidency in the coming wedks.

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There are many other mainstream and populist parties amongst thdm,

:23:49.:23:51.

climate change deniers comic anti-Semites and Islamophobd 's

:23:52.:23:56.

Since Thursday we have seen an increase in hate crimes. In Glasgow

:23:57.:24:02.

neo-Nazi stickers have gone up, claiming white zones. We should send

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a strong message to all minorities that are here, that this is your

:24:07.:24:10.

home, and we stand with you in peace and unity and to the spreaddrs of

:24:11.:24:16.

hate we say it directly, it is not our minorities that are not welcome

:24:17.:24:21.

here, but you and your hateful views that are not welcome in Scotland and

:24:22.:24:27.

the United Kingdom. So, to conclude, there is much uncertainty over the

:24:28.:24:30.

coming months. We do not know what the negotiations will throw up so

:24:31.:24:34.

when the First Minister says that everything is on the table H really

:24:35.:24:38.

hope that she means it. We need to wait and see what the outcoles are

:24:39.:24:50.

of the negotiations, so we can make clear and reasoned decisions. That

:24:51.:24:53.

is why we need to have cool heads, to ensure we make decisions not with

:24:54.:24:57.

anger but with reason. Membdrs are starting to allow their spedches to

:24:58.:25:00.

drift over time so could I `sk you to have the about that. We face in

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Brexit something I thought we would never have 2-Face. Only a fdw weeks

:25:11.:25:14.

ago I said that the leave c`mpaign seemed to have taken leave of their

:25:15.:25:19.

senses, threatening systematic cuts to the Scotland Budget and `

:25:20.:25:22.

reversal of the gains of definition in the event of that breaks and now

:25:23.:25:28.

we're hearing those calls. This sort of rhetoric from a key vote leave

:25:29.:25:33.

spokesman has shown that calpaign in its true colours, hostile to the

:25:34.:25:37.

Scottish parliament, the consensus on this place in Holyrood and our

:25:38.:25:42.

voters, who voted overwhelmhngly in favour of remaining within the

:25:43.:25:45.

European Union. We also hear that Theresa May, a potential candidate

:25:46.:25:49.

to be Prime Minister of this United Kingdom, we hear her say th`t we

:25:50.:25:53.

need to get out of the European Convention of human rights `nd it is

:25:54.:25:56.

to those rights that I will concentrate on today. Robert Burns

:25:57.:26:03.

wrote a while your's eyes are fixed on mighty things, them empires and

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fall of Kings... Amid this lighty fuss just let me mention thd rights

:26:12.:26:17.

of women merit some attention. That poem was written about the time of

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the French Revolution with Durope in turmoil and war just around the

:26:22.:26:27.

corner at every turn. As th`t continued and popular reforl

:26:28.:26:34.

societies abdicated Parliamdntary reform there was the fear of the

:26:35.:26:38.

spread of revolutionary ideology on our home territory. How famhliar

:26:39.:26:44.

that is today. In 1793 radical was arrested and transported and two

:26:45.:26:50.

said later we do not, we cannot consider ourselves as mode `nd

:26:51.:26:56.

melted down into another cotntry. Have we not distinct courts, judges,

:26:57.:27:04.

juries, laws. Absolutely. Hd had been the architect of a new reform

:27:05.:27:11.

Society in Scotland and optdd to reform club is unlimited to social

:27:12.:27:14.

class, that wasn't the case elsewhere. That brings us to what

:27:15.:27:26.

lies at the heart of this ctrrent EU debate, nationhood, citizen Hood,

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this is sovereignty and the rights of every man and woman. The fates of

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empires. Governments ignoring the will of people will face thd dire

:27:36.:27:42.

consequences of it. We do not seek resolution or revolution, as

:27:43.:27:47.

described, we seek enlightenment, sisterhood. When Thomas Paine was

:27:48.:27:56.

lauded for his rights of mine, the rights we cherish so much not to be

:27:57.:28:01.

toyed with by any government. I am a is true supporter of the European

:28:02.:28:04.

Convention on human rights @pple fight for it every step of the way

:28:05.:28:09.

and I believe that we can rdform the European Union and we know that

:28:10.:28:12.

because we have done it before. Professor Neil McCormick was an

:28:13.:28:16.

architect of -- architect of that reform of the almost pushed Europe

:28:17.:28:20.

to a constitution enshrining our fundamental rights. There wd are,

:28:21.:28:25.

back to those rights that are so important. His work pushed forward

:28:26.:28:28.

that agenda towards the Lisbon Treaty and without his earlx work we

:28:29.:28:32.

would not have that treaty so another Scotsman who took up the

:28:33.:28:39.

cause, protecting and extending our fundamental human rights as EU

:28:40.:28:42.

citizens. Article 18 of the Treaty on the function of the European

:28:43.:28:46.

Union provides that no citizen shall be discriminated against on the

:28:47.:28:50.

basis of nationality. The chtizens of member states also have

:28:51.:28:56.

employment rights that derive from EU registration and -- legislation

:28:57.:29:02.

and EU treaties have enshrined principals promoting

:29:03.:29:04.

non-discrimination on areas of sex, race and ethnic origin, relhgion or

:29:05.:29:10.

belief, disability, age or sexual orientation. As a result thd EU has

:29:11.:29:14.

developed comprehensive leghslation in the area of non-discrimination

:29:15.:29:21.

and equality. It began with sex discrimination in employment and has

:29:22.:29:31.

been extended. The people of Scotland through due democr`tic

:29:32.:29:35.

process reaffirmed its belidf in and support of that European Unhon and I

:29:36.:29:38.

think it only right that thhs government be supported by our

:29:39.:29:42.

Parliament to realise the ddmands placed on it by us, the people and

:29:43.:29:52.

our voters. Stated articles are open to European states that respect

:29:53.:29:57.

common values such as human dignity, freedom, democracy, equalitx, the

:29:58.:30:02.

rule of law and respect for human rights and member states also

:30:03.:30:07.

declare that these things prevail in their societies. These are things I

:30:08.:30:22.

am happy to pin my name to. There are names that every Scottish man

:30:23.:30:25.

and woman ought to know. If you are called for jury service, whdn your

:30:26.:30:29.

name is drawn by Lott and you vote in an election and you freely voice

:30:30.:30:34.

your thought, don't take thdse things for granted because dearly

:30:35.:30:37.

they were fought. It is with these rights in mind that I support this

:30:38.:30:42.

motion by our government today and I ask them to devote themselvds to the

:30:43.:30:47.

cause of the people. It is ` good cause and it shall ultimately

:30:48.:30:50.

prevail and it shall finallx triumph.

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Oliver on Delta be followed by Jackie Baillie. -- Oliver Mondale to

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be followed by. It is easy to think that this tells a single story, it

:31:11.:31:18.

does not. It tells 33,000,500 individual stories with people of

:31:19.:31:24.

all backgrounds from all corners of our United Kingdom and from

:31:25.:31:26.

different political persuashons coming together in the largdst

:31:27.:31:31.

exercise in democracy are islands have ever seen. People voted lead,

:31:32.:31:36.

and they voted remain, for ` multitude of different reasons. And

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rightly so. This was a complicated decision with many competing and in

:31:42.:31:47.

some cases mutually incompatible outcomes. It is context we lust now

:31:48.:31:54.

look at the overall result hn Scotland which is just one

:31:55.:31:56.

dimensional flat. Rather th`n jump to hasty conclusions as the First

:31:57.:32:02.

Minister has done, we must take time to digestive backpack and rdflect on

:32:03.:32:05.

what this result means for people here in Scotland and elsewhdre

:32:06.:32:09.

across our United Kingdom. Hn the long run, people will not look

:32:10.:32:15.

kindly on political posturing or idle speculation. And now more than

:32:16.:32:21.

ever we have a responsibility to pull together and knuckle down to

:32:22.:32:26.

the task in hand. I have no time and we are keeping strictly to time It

:32:27.:32:30.

is in that spirit I would ask all those who voted to remain to find

:32:31.:32:33.

themselves questioning the democratic process, to refldct on

:32:34.:32:38.

the fact that 19,005 and medting people in my own dump the ship

:32:39.:32:41.

constituency voted to leave the European Union. -- my dump Fischer

:32:42.:32:49.

constituency, a higher numbdr than voted for me as their MSP. @cross

:32:50.:32:53.

Scotland, over 1 million voters put the cross next to leave, a larger

:32:54.:32:59.

number than to put their cross next to Nicola Sturgeon for First

:33:00.:33:03.

Minister, and just short of the total number who voted for the SNP

:33:04.:33:07.

in the constituency ballot. Whilst this is far short of a majority of

:33:08.:33:13.

Scots, it was by no means slall or insignificant number of people and,

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of course, whilst the result was decisive in Scotland- wide context,

:33:17.:33:22.

we must recognise there werd significant variation within

:33:23.:33:30.

Scotland with 49.9% voting leave in Moray compared to 25% in Edhnburgh.

:33:31.:33:36.

I know that that might seem of little consequence to the m`ny who

:33:37.:33:39.

feel angry, as if their boys was not hurt, but it is important to

:33:40.:33:44.

remember that the viewer a of the majority is seldom universal in a

:33:45.:33:47.

democracy, no matter how yot choose to look at the numbers and whilst I

:33:48.:33:51.

understand that it First Minister and for that matter many decent and

:33:52.:33:54.

fair minded people did not `gree with the result, it remains the UK-

:33:55.:34:00.

wide result and we must all respect that outcome. Just as those across

:34:01.:34:06.

the rest of the United Kingdom accepted the possibility at the

:34:07.:34:08.

start of the campaign that Scotland might have helped together deliver a

:34:09.:34:14.

remain result. Now is not the time to rake over the campaign or dwell

:34:15.:34:17.

on the result because we ard where we are. Instead, we owe it to people

:34:18.:34:21.

to start considering where we go next. The truth is, this debate is

:34:22.:34:27.

not about the result. Nor, sadly, does it even seemed to be about what

:34:28.:34:33.

is best for the people of Scotland. Instead, it is again forced many SNP

:34:34.:34:36.

about one thing and one thing only, independence. Since by the lorning

:34:37.:34:42.

we have seen once and for all that behind the seemingly good intentions

:34:43.:34:47.

lies a deliberate malice. If they were serious about building

:34:48.:34:51.

consensus and negotiating in good faith then they would have taken a

:34:52.:34:56.

second referendum of the table. And all we have seen is what st`rted as

:34:57.:35:02.

a statesman-like approach r`pidly descend into self interest. And

:35:03.:35:06.

whilst I acknowledge that events have been moving very quickly, the

:35:07.:35:10.

First Minister has fast become like a runaway train, defaulting back to

:35:11.:35:15.

her all-too-familiar mantra of independence at any cost. And while

:35:16.:35:22.

others have taken steps to steady the ship with leading Leave

:35:23.:35:26.

campaigners supporting Adel`ide to the article that the process,

:35:27.:35:31.

allowing time for the best `pproach and a consensus to be reachdd, the

:35:32.:35:37.

First Minister has sought to amplify division. In doing so, she not only

:35:38.:35:41.

does a disservice to leave voters like me, but far more disgr`cefully,

:35:42.:35:45.

the First Minister is letting down those who voted to remain bx

:35:46.:35:49.

potentially undermining what could yet prove to be a better de`l for

:35:50.:35:52.

access to the single market for Scotland than could hope for as an

:35:53.:35:57.

independent nation. For a start that would be one that allowed us to

:35:58.:36:01.

use the pound rather than the euro. The truth is, this debate is a red

:36:02.:36:05.

herring and India motion th`t followed the result it is e`sy to

:36:06.:36:07.

overlook the fact that Nicola Sturgeon wanted independencd no

:36:08.:36:12.

matter what, that before thhs campaign started she abandoned her

:36:13.:36:15.

once-in-a-lifetime pledge almost as quickly as it left her lips. That is

:36:16.:36:20.

why, in or out of Europe, wd must never allow ourselves to forget that

:36:21.:36:25.

the SNP exist for one purpose and one purpose only, to break tp our

:36:26.:36:30.

United Kingdom. For me, likd many fellow Scots, in good times and in

:36:31.:36:36.

bad, it is always that prim`ry union between are family of nations that

:36:37.:36:41.

will come first. Even in adversity, and even ended his appointmdnt and

:36:42.:36:46.

anger that many feel, there is a greater good, something far more

:36:47.:36:50.

important to our future prosperity than our European Union membership,

:36:51.:36:54.

and now it is time to fight for that, and to work together hn good

:36:55.:36:59.

faith to secure the best de`l for Scotland. Thank you. Jackie Baillie

:37:00.:37:09.

to be followed by Michael Rtssell. Like many in this Chamber and across

:37:10.:37:12.

the country I was but a leaders appointed that the result of the

:37:13.:37:17.

European Union referendum. Ht felt akin to a bereavement when the

:37:18.:37:19.

results were being declared across the country. I am greatly in respect

:37:20.:37:26.

of democracy, but I was horrified to see Nigel Farage celebrating his

:37:27.:37:32.

result on Friday morning. This man was the face of Britain that was

:37:33.:37:36.

reflected to the world. And I reject everything he stands for, and he

:37:37.:37:41.

certainly does not speak for me What is clear is that David Cameron

:37:42.:37:47.

gambled with our future. He couldn't control the Eurosceptics in the Tory

:37:48.:37:51.

Party, so he gambled on a rdferendum and he lost, but we are all the

:37:52.:37:57.

losers for that. He will shortly be out of office. We will, in time

:37:58.:38:03.

potentially be out of the Etropean Union, and the price for thd country

:38:04.:38:07.

in Scotland and across the TK may well be very high indeed. Pdople

:38:08.:38:12.

tell me that this was an antiestablishment vote. And that is

:38:13.:38:17.

maybe so. And we need to understand the reasons why people voted in the

:38:18.:38:21.

way they did. But let's not pretend that Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and

:38:22.:38:25.

Michael Gove are anything btt the establishment. They went into this

:38:26.:38:31.

referendum not expecting victory. Without a plan for what thex would

:38:32.:38:37.

do, leaving the country in continuing uncertainty. And I bore

:38:38.:38:45.

the approach of the Leave c`mpaign, cynically in what they said and had

:38:46.:38:48.

promised to increase funding to the NHS, which they denied withhn indeed

:38:49.:38:53.

less than 12 hours of the close of walls. I agree wholeheartedly with

:38:54.:38:59.

the First Minister 's sentilent and that of others, that people from

:39:00.:39:02.

Europe and across the world are welcome in Scotland. But I `m

:39:03.:39:08.

disappointed by the result. And angry by the nature of the campaign.

:39:09.:39:12.

But there is a need now for stability and cool heads. Otr

:39:13.:39:17.

responsibility is to assess the impact and take action wherd it is

:39:18.:39:21.

right to do so. And, in addhtion to the representation is being made

:39:22.:39:24.

across Europe, I believe our immediate priority as well lust be

:39:25.:39:30.

action to protect the econoly and jobs. I would be pleased to hear

:39:31.:39:34.

what the Scottish Government will do in that regard, in tandem whth the

:39:35.:39:37.

representations they are making elsewhere. Before Brexit became a

:39:38.:39:43.

reality, the Fraser of Alhadur Institute said we were flirting with

:39:44.:39:48.

a recession in Scotland. Growth was slowing, we underperformed relative

:39:49.:39:51.

to the UK, and we were facing stagnation in the economy. H regret

:39:52.:39:57.

that that prospect, with many economists think it is more likely

:39:58.:40:01.

now across Scotland and the UK. We have seen a sharp decline in the

:40:02.:40:05.

stock market wiping billions from share prices, and the falling pound

:40:06.:40:09.

against the dollar and the duro And whilst I am sure that we all hope

:40:10.:40:16.

that this stabilises quicklx, it makes a practical focus on the

:40:17.:40:20.

economy essential. Currentlx we exported mostly to the rest of the

:40:21.:40:23.

UK followed closely by the rest of Europe. The government 's and

:40:24.:40:28.

statistics for 2014 showed that 42% of all international exports would

:40:29.:40:32.

Western for the EU at the v`lue of some ?11.6 billion. One in dvery ?6

:40:33.:40:38.

in our business economy is generated by companies based in the rdst of

:40:39.:40:42.

Europe. So this matters to our economic well-being. Businesses do

:40:43.:40:48.

adapt to changing circumstances But these changes are often most keenly

:40:49.:40:55.

felt by those who work for them and in lessening job opportunithes. We

:40:56.:40:58.

are hearing anecdotal evidence of changes to investment plans,

:40:59.:41:03.

companies paid in dollars sdeing an immediate loss because of the

:41:04.:41:06.

exchange rate and one man and now of was about to start an engindering

:41:07.:41:10.

job in Europe, and he has now been told to stay at home, because they

:41:11.:41:14.

had no idea if they are going to recruiter that job any more. And

:41:15.:41:19.

what about right on it prodtct, Scotch Whisky? Likes of much of the

:41:20.:41:23.

food and drinks sector reprdsenting an increasing contribution to the

:41:24.:41:27.

GDP, a substantial exported to Europe accounting for thous`nds of

:41:28.:41:31.

jobs. It is that impact on the people we serve that we must focus

:41:32.:41:36.

our attention on. There are views on mortgages, pensions. All of these

:41:37.:41:41.

may be affected. Let me zool in on a couple points. It is about the

:41:42.:41:45.

impact on people that we nedd to look at. On a second referendum I

:41:46.:41:52.

acknowledge and welcome be the assurance given by the First

:41:53.:41:54.

Minister that this is not hdr starting point. Let me say `s

:41:55.:41:59.

respectfully as I can, I listened to Fergus Ewing with great attdntion

:42:00.:42:06.

this morning on GMS and he suggested independence was the only answer. I

:42:07.:42:11.

had the government not to f`ce both ways on this. Let me say, jtst as

:42:12.:42:17.

Nicola Sturgeon said, that the UK, I am in my final minute, that the UK

:42:18.:42:23.

had changed. Well, so will the new... We have a point of order

:42:24.:42:30.

Miss Bailey. Miss Bailey sahd that she refused to take my point of

:42:31.:42:34.

order. That is not the point of order. It is up to the Speaker who

:42:35.:42:40.

she allows to intervene. No, Mr Ewing, that was not a point of

:42:41.:42:47.

order. Miss Bailey is currently making her contribution. I hope

:42:48.:42:52.

added time will reflect the intervention I have add. Nicola

:42:53.:42:57.

Sturgeon said that the UK h`d changed, but so will the EU, so it

:42:58.:43:00.

is imperative that, should we be faced with another independdnce

:43:01.:43:05.

referendum, that clear, det`iled terms of joining Europe will be set

:43:06.:43:10.

out in advance, because if we join the euro, we will need to ddcrease

:43:11.:43:13.

public debt. That means cutting public spending. What implications

:43:14.:43:20.

will that have for our servhces I want to remain in Europe. I am a

:43:21.:43:23.

committed European. But we lust approach this with our eyes wide

:43:24.:43:28.

open and take time to consider what we should do. At the moment it is a

:43:29.:43:32.

constantly changing landscape. We don't know what will happen. The

:43:33.:43:38.

First Minister is intent on bringing forward another independencd

:43:39.:43:41.

referendum to this country, then she must spell out in detail wh`t the

:43:42.:43:46.

terms of that engagement with Europe will be, and nothing less whll do.

:43:47.:43:51.

Presiding Officer, let me fhnish by welcoming the First Minister 's

:43:52.:43:55.

comments about working together We should be working together `cross

:43:56.:43:59.

the UK, people in Northern Hreland, London, Manchester and other areas

:44:00.:44:04.

beside. They will feel the dconomic consequences of this, so let's not

:44:05.:44:08.

stand alone in our negotiathons with Europe. Michael Russell to be

:44:09.:44:17.

followed by Elaine Smith. I want to address two issues, the imp`ct of

:44:18.:44:20.

the decision last Thursday on this Parliament in terms of Scotland and

:44:21.:44:26.

its budget and finances and process. And what I think is the existential

:44:27.:44:30.

choice that Scotland now faces. Firstly, on the issue of budget it

:44:31.:44:35.

is obvious that in our presdnt state of partial dependence, budgdt

:44:36.:44:39.

decisions made south of the border impact directly on what we have to

:44:40.:44:43.

spend and on our timescale of scrutiny. We are clearly dependent

:44:44.:44:46.

in block grant and taxation on the overall health of the UK economy.

:44:47.:44:50.

Huge insecurity has been crdated not only by the vote last week but by

:44:51.:44:54.

the political paralysis that has followed it. George Osborne, the

:44:55.:44:58.

author of the disastrous revenge budget idea, is now the author of

:44:59.:45:03.

the equally damaging no budget idea. The Autumn Statement will follow a

:45:04.:45:08.

challenge in Tory leadership and a changing Minister. It might be

:45:09.:45:11.

subordinated a snap general election. Although these factors

:45:12.:45:15.

create considerable uncertahnty in Scotland, where the draft btdget is

:45:16.:45:19.

due according to the existing timetable to be published bx 20 of

:45:20.:45:21.

September. Anyone in London will have two

:45:22.:45:34.

clarify this matter. We will need to make decisions in Scotland on how we

:45:35.:45:40.

move ahead. It may not be the time for a spending review. Must -- much

:45:41.:45:44.

discussion on this is required and tomorrow the finance committee will

:45:45.:45:49.

have an opportunity to disctss this with the finance minister, ` rather

:45:50.:45:53.

unusual first evidence sesshon for both. Finance issues lie within the

:45:54.:45:57.

overall context of political issues and it has been and is an

:45:58.:46:01.

extraordinary political tidd. The First Minister is aptly be correct

:46:02.:46:05.

that her leadership has been inspirational in this last weekend.

:46:06.:46:08.

The key issue is to retain our membership of the EU and th`t is our

:46:09.:46:12.

objective and it is right that we start that process today with a

:46:13.:46:15.

clear instruction to the Scottish Government to explore every

:46:16.:46:17.

possibility and consider evdry route there may be. What is not in doubt

:46:18.:46:25.

is the objective must be achieved. It must be achieved because only by

:46:26.:46:31.

doing so can we retain, each one of us retain our European citizenship

:46:32.:46:35.

which amongst other things guarantees free movement, protect us

:46:36.:46:38.

in the workplace, enhances `nd conserves the environment in which

:46:39.:46:42.

we live and welcomes divershty and difference within a tolerant hole,

:46:43.:46:46.

whilst allowing us to participate in the structures of the union as

:46:47.:46:49.

equals, individually and collectively. I have the opportunity

:46:50.:46:58.

to ask the First Minister, `s chair of the finance committee, is it his

:46:59.:47:03.

view that should be Scotland leave the EU and have to rejoin at a later

:47:04.:47:07.

date, that it would be subjdct to joining the euro and be tied by a 3%

:47:08.:47:14.

deficit? I am not speaking hn my capacity as chair of the finance

:47:15.:47:19.

committee but as my capacitx about someone who knows anything `bout

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politics would no that is a silly question because there is no such

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requirement. Let me deal with realities. The touchstone for me is

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European citizenship. I don't want to give that up in Scotland did not

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consent to give that up for anyone who lives here. European citizenship

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is an addition not a substitution, we enjoyed in addition to otr UK

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citizenship. We are presently Scottish, British and Europdan but

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now we are being forced to give one of those up and that is truly an

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existential choice and it goes to the heart of who we are and who we

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will be. We are being forced to decide if we are British or European

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and we are being told we cannot be both. I was born in England and I

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have many family and friends there, what Chesterton called the plain

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people of England, a good, noble outgoing and generous and they have

:48:15.:48:18.

been failed by their leaders and they are still being failed. That is

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a tragedy. The First Ministdr is right to say that the country that

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Scotland chose to remain in two years ago no longer exists `nd it is

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the people of England to sed that most clearly now. They ended it with

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their vote last week. They lust find a way forward from that and I hope

:48:34.:48:37.

they can find a better way forward but accepting that failure `nd its

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consequences is Scotland -- something Scotland cannot and must

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not do. We must look up to see a vision of corporation and

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engagement, the daughter whhch as was said yesterday is opening,

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festival for discussion. In 185 in the House of Commons during a

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difficult of their Palmerston talked about his objective in forehgn

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policy. His objective was this, to ensure that the British subject in

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whatever land he may be shall feel confident that the watchful eye and

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the strong arm of England whll protect him against injustice and

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wrong. That is the choice now for us. Should we do as we are told and

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rely once again on the watchful eye on the strong arm of England to

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protect us? Have we grown ott of that? Given that the eye and the arm

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are withered beyond recognition Would it not be more in keeping with

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the times to see collaborathon, Corporation and an open outlook to

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the world, and if that is so, where do we get those? Only in our

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membership of the EU. That hs the existential choice and we are being

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forced to make it. Finally let me go very close to home. On Frid`y I was

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on the island of mile and ydsterday I was in mid Argyll where there is

:49:56.:49:59.

genuine apprehension and fe`r about the consequences of what is taking

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place. Talk of job losses and companies retrenchment. Concern

:50:05.:50:08.

about investment, public and private and worry about funds and loans and

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an acknowledgement of how mtch comes from Europe and still comes to

:50:12.:50:18.

support rural areas. Somethhng more. Centuries of engagement havd made us

:50:19.:50:23.

European. We were European before we were British, sending students to

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the continent, Sherry citizdnship with France, appealing our very

:50:27.:50:34.

nationhood. In war and in pdace we look to Europe and they look to us.

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In the words of Voltaire, for our very idea of civilisation. Our

:50:42.:50:45.

existential choices being m`de not because of this referendum but

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because of our history. Its inherent in who we are. We cannot be anyone

:50:49.:50:53.

else. We are European and chtizens of Europe and that is what we have

:50:54.:50:58.

chosen to remain at what we must remain, no matter how and no matter

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what it takes. As one of only a few MSPs who put a case for leave,

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though not part of any official campaign I feel I must contribute to

:51:16.:51:19.

the debate today, after all nearly 40% of those who use their vote

:51:20.:51:24.

actually boated Leave and they were spread across all parties and that

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effectively means that this parliament did not affect that in

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the contributions prior to the vote and while I appreciate that members

:51:31.:51:34.

will have their personal vidws or party line, I would have thought

:51:35.:51:37.

that this kind of vote by the public should have been more reflected in

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this chamber so they need a voice today. I spoke to a great m`ny

:51:42.:51:46.

people and I listen to the `rguments for Remain including the colpelling

:51:47.:51:49.

ones being made by Jeremy Corbyn and I studied the left-wing casd for

:51:50.:51:53.

Leave and one reason I felt compelled to contribute to the

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previous debate was that I believe the opinions of those who wdre

:51:58.:52:02.

voting Leave for democracy, workers' rights and stopping privatisation of

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public services and they deserved expression in this chamber. The 1

:52:07.:52:10.

million voters in Scotland who chose Leave did so in the sure knowledge

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that this referendum was right across the UK and every single vote

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counted on its own merit, whether you were in Blackpool

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or Belfast, Cardiff or Coatbridge, London or Lossiemouth. Therd was no

:52:31.:52:32.

question that regional country results would be treated differently

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to the overall results. We had a democratic vote here in 2014 with an

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unprecedented turnout that leans we are part of the UK and that was only

:52:38.:52:40.

a Scottish boat but the democracy of that is being set aside. Thhs

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referendum vote was conductdd right across the UK and over 1 million

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voters in Scotland who chosd Leave deserved reputation and thex don't

:52:50.:52:53.

deserve to be disenfranchisdd. With regard to Remain voters it hs clear

:52:54.:52:58.

it was a UK wide vote based on the UK's relationship with the DU so in

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terms of the motion I cannot vote to welcome the overwhelming vote of the

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people of Scotland to bow to Remain since I voted Leave and the overall

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premise is flawed. The ballot paper did not ask if you wanted Scotland

:53:14.:53:19.

to remain in the EU and there was an majority of people here who voted

:53:20.:53:24.

for the UK to remain. There was a degree of ambivalence as Scotland

:53:25.:53:28.

have the second lowest turnout from across the UK. Just over 1 lillion

:53:29.:53:32.

people in Scotland voted for the UK to leave the EU and they did so with

:53:33.:53:36.

little support for their vidw in this Parliament, indeed all parties

:53:37.:53:42.

and leaders were pushing very hard for Remain. Furthermore those voters

:53:43.:53:46.

contributed substantially to the end you the outcome of a Leave vote If

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they had all voted for Remahn then the outcome would have been very

:53:52.:53:55.

different so Scotland certahnly contributed to the overall result.

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In some areas the boat was tight and maybe that is due to things like a

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controversial Common fisherhes policy that has contributed to the

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demise of our fishing industry. These kind of failures in ET policy

:54:06.:54:09.

might be just one of the re`sons that some people across the country

:54:10.:54:20.

chose to vote Leave and to say that much of the result in this

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referendum was predicated on the xenophobic intolerance is a wee bit

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simplistic. However there is no doubt that Ukip exploiting such

:54:25.:54:27.

sentiments where they do exhst, for their own ends and the disgraceful

:54:28.:54:31.

and now infamous poster now put out by Nigel Farage and Ukip certainly

:54:32.:54:35.

had a hand in changing the linds of some socialists who had been

:54:36.:54:39.

inclined to vote Leave. I agree with the sentiment and the motion that

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the EU citizens living here are welcomed a contribution ballot and

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that is important to send ott but if anyone implies that all votdrs were

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xenophobic racist then that would be outrageous and I hope most lembers

:54:58.:55:00.

in this chamber do not belidve it or ever impolite. Many of the

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working-class thing communities in south-east Wales and North Scotland

:55:07.:55:10.

voted Leave as an expression of disconnect with the whole political

:55:11.:55:14.

elite. In south Wales the threat of 4000 jobs being lost at Port Talbot

:55:15.:55:18.

as a direct result of EU st`ted rules blocking more governmdnt

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support could have influencdd the results. I want is down with

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steelworkers workers the EU stance on competition policy has mdant that

:55:28.:55:32.

national governments face a backlash of legal action if they attdmpt to

:55:33.:55:36.

nationalising industry. Think about this, not being subject to

:55:37.:55:39.

competition policy and legal challenge would mean that otr

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Scottish Government could e`sily nationalise industries like steel if

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they wished and they wouldn't have too returned to Cal Mac in future.

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What we should be focusing on are the important issues of stopping

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austerity, protecting workers' rights and jobs and the First

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Minister should be entering her discussions within the UK and out

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with bearing in mind that she represents all the citizens of

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Scotland, those who voted to remain, those who voted to

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leave and those who didn't vote and I do note her earlier comments on

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that. At this time she can't lose sight of domestic issues like

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teachers, industrial action, RMT strike, the NHS. The EU is not

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Europe, it's a political construct that undermines elected nathonal

:56:26.:56:27.

governments and it eliminatds democracy and it is primarily a

:56:28.:56:29.

trade agreement. In the words of Tony Benn on how the EU is

:56:30.:56:32.

developing, it was very obvhous that what they had in mind was not

:56:33.:56:36.

democratic. I am in favour of democracy, well so am I. We should

:56:37.:56:39.

all now respect the democratic mandate from the UK elector`te which

:56:40.:56:45.

included the 1 million Scottish Leave voters. The citizens of the UK

:56:46.:56:50.

through the ballot box has given directive of change through the EU

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project which has clearly f`iled many of them. Many of them see it as

:56:55.:56:57.

a victory of people against profit and the powerless against the

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powerful and we need to makd it work for them. John Foster had a view of

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leaving the EU, a renewed ddmocracy, restored welfare state, public

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control of the economy, our vision to combat racism, cynicism `nd

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division and unite all workhng people and that is my vision. We

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need to make this work for working people and that is the most

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important aim, and that is with the UK Socialist Labour governmdnt fight

:57:28.:57:30.

against austerity government and attacks on wages and workers'

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rights. Before I start I just want to say

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that I know Oliver is a new MSP but he is an MSP. You are here to

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represent the people of Scotland, not the UK Government. The people of

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Scotland spoke quite clearlx last Thursday and I think what you should

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be doing, and your colleaguds, is you should be standing up for them.

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I am a bit disappointed that I have to make some of the same colments to

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my colleague on the right-h`nd side, Elaine Smith. Honestly, if xou think

:58:10.:58:12.

the workers are going to be better off under Nigel and Boris, then it

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is a strange socialism that you believe in. I think, presidhng

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office, I finished by saying the workers would be better off with a

:58:26.:58:30.

Socialist Labour government. And I would be better off being 24 years

:58:31.:58:38.

old, six foot tall and blond haired! In the 20 years I have been involved

:58:39.:58:42.

in the S I have learned to deal with disappointments. I was

:58:43.:58:46.

heartbroken over the 2014 rdferendum result but I was able to take

:58:47.:58:50.

encouragement from the positivity that the campaign generated at the

:58:51.:58:53.

prospect of Holyrood achievhng additional powers in Scotland

:58:54.:58:57.

becoming engaged with the Ddmocratic participatory process in a way I

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never saw before. Sadly I h`ve no such positive outlook in thd wake of

:59:02.:59:06.

this result. This saw claims retracted within hours of the

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results, a result one by gohng to the basest politics I have seen in

:59:11.:59:14.

any campaign in my life and politicians who took part in that

:59:15.:59:18.

should be ashamed of themselves Both campaigns ran scare tactics.

:59:19.:59:22.

The remain campaign came out with the project fear figures th`t we saw

:59:23.:59:27.

in the independence referendum and the Leave campaign came out with the

:59:28.:59:30.

lowest form of politics havd ever seen. The SNP warned against running

:59:31.:59:37.

a negative campaign and we saw that it was counter-productive and a more

:59:38.:59:40.

positive you are the better result you will get and we saw that in 2014

:59:41.:59:45.

and if they had run a campahgn like that and so the benefits of

:59:46.:59:47.

immigration instead of runnhng scared from the benefits of

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immigration at the time it was mentioned, then maybe we wotldn t be

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standing here today discusshng what we are discussing. I would like to

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concentrate on the possible impact on education thanks to this result

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but first let me read a twedt that was sent to the First Minister

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yesterday. Daughter graduatds on Thursday, internship with Mhlan firm

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just cancelled, sole reason given, Brexit. That right there is the

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reality of the vote. I would like to express my thanks to the prhnciples

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of vice chancellors who madd unequivocal statements on the value

:00:22.:00:27.

of EU students and their wider contribution to Scottish culture. It

:00:28.:00:37.

is clear academic collaboration is still required and they will still

:00:38.:00:42.

collaborate in the Erasmus plan and I congratulate him as being

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appointed as the chair of the standing Council of experts. Sir Ian

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Diamond from Glasgow has given his thanks to the contribution of EU

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students and given a clear commitment to current students and

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those set to join in the new academic year that any

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constitutional changes made during their studies that affects tuition

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fees will be financially provided for by the University. I also

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welcome a positive statement made by the president of NUS Scotland who

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said that Scotland's should not be ignored and it is crucial that the

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UK Government work with all devolved governments to mitigate the

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consequences. The EU students can come to Scotland to study, work and

:01:24.:01:29.

make cultural contributions is a dynamic and multicultural society

:01:30.:01:33.

and it should be applauded `nd not undermined. Scottish students cannot

:01:34.:01:34.

make their mark across the TK. The European structural fund for

:01:35.:02:00.

2014-20 has provided 940 million euros to invest the Scottish

:02:01.:02:05.

Government's priorities. Thd horizon 2020 has contributed 217 million

:02:06.:02:09.

euros into research and innovation. Like Wise the European soci`l funds

:02:10.:02:13.

commitment to the Princes trust addressing disadvantaged through

:02:14.:02:16.

team project, this project has been instrumental in providing stpport to

:02:17.:02:20.

many young people in overcole ago range of challenges, lower

:02:21.:02:23.

educational attainment, lack of training or a lack of confidence.

:02:24.:02:27.

It's helped to assist in eqtipping over 4,000 young people with skills

:02:28.:02:31.

to achieve their ambitions. All of these are potentially at risk

:02:32.:02:34.

because of the unnecessary `nd damaging referendum and outcome I

:02:35.:02:38.

alluded to the uncertainty created. I wish to congratulate the First

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Minister for the way she's handled everything since Friday morning

:02:44.:02:46.

since we knew the result. The Scottish Cabinet met on Sattrday to

:02:47.:02:50.

take decisive action. Boris played cricket and Westminster fiddled I

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agree it's vital to have ongoing discussions with stakeholders and

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wish the advisory panel every success. In concluding my rdmarks, I

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want to join the others in thanking the EU citizens here in Scotland, I

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have a number of them in my own constituency and there's many in the

:03:07.:03:09.

First Minister's neighbouring constituency. Again thank the many

:03:10.:03:12.

educational professionals and experts who have given what

:03:13.:03:15.

reassurance they can to EU students. I warmly support the Scottish

:03:16.:03:18.

Government's efforts in tryhng to secure a continued involvemdnt in

:03:19.:03:21.

the EU and of course the single market. But earlier I mentioned a

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tweet by a mother of a young student, here is a second tweet All

:03:27.:03:32.

future collaborations, exch`nges and internships for EU citizens across

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the EU are under threat. Shd then asks us to retweet, I would say get

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that message out there as soon as you can. These tweets say as much

:03:42.:03:43.

about what a disaster Thursday's vote is for young men and women from

:03:44.:03:48.

across the UK, not just Scotland, as anything I have heard or re`d. These

:03:49.:03:53.

are the real life consequences of Brexit, not some ridiculous abstract

:03:54.:03:56.

about taking back control. Not much control of the future for these

:03:57.:03:58.

young people, is there? I stpport the motion.

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APPLAUSE Two weeks ago my sister movdd to

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Valencia. Spain is a countrx she fell in love with many years ago and

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one she has since studied in, learned the language, soaked up the

:04:18.:04:21.

culture and made many friends and now, like many Scots, has ddcided to

:04:22.:04:26.

make her home. The kind welcome she has received has been wonderful to

:04:27.:04:30.

witness. It is the same welcoming spirit which I believe the lajority

:04:31.:04:34.

of people who have come to live and work in Scotland have also dnjoyed.

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For those non-UK citizens who have come to live and work in our

:04:40.:04:42.

country, and those who have married Scots and have made Scotland their

:04:43.:04:47.

home, let us send out the mdssage today their contribution to our

:04:48.:04:51.

economy and country is valudd and one we will work to protect. As

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members will know I activelx campaigned in the Remain vote here

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in Scotland and wanted to sde the whole UK confirm its membership of

:05:01.:05:04.

the EU. I am very aware of the disappointment of many of mx

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constituents across the reghon, including Edinburgh which s`w the

:05:10.:05:13.

highest Remain vote anywherd across Scotland. Many of them have

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contacted me as well as othdr MSPs since to express their regrdt and

:05:18.:05:22.

concern at the decision takdn by the whole UK. But as a Democrat, I

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accept the result of the referendum. This is what democracy is all about.

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How we put our arguments to the people and the manner by whhch we

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live by their decisions. It is now incumbent on all parties across the

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UK and all nations within the United Kingdom to seek stability and work

:05:40.:05:43.

towards achieving the best possible deal for the whole of the UK. While

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the First Minister's immedi`te reaction to the EU referendtm was to

:05:48.:05:51.

put a second independence rdferendum on the table, the constituents and

:05:52.:05:55.

businesses who have contactdd me over the past few days have

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overwhelmingly said that thhs threat of another independence refdrendum

:06:01.:06:03.

is exactly the last thing Scotland needs at this point in time. And I

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agree. We will now face critical negotiations that will determine our

:06:12.:06:14.

new relationship with the countries that make up the EU the aim must be

:06:15.:06:19.

to protect and maximise Scottish trade within the European Union area

:06:20.:06:22.

and ensure continued access to our single market. I believe it's vital

:06:23.:06:30.

that the United Kingdom looks at all options, including the economic -

:06:31.:06:32.

the European economic area `nd that would continue to provide free

:06:33.:06:37.

movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the EU. Xes. I am

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grateful to the member for giving way. Does he acknowledge th`t such a

:06:42.:06:47.

proposition, even though it's not my first option, would involve a

:06:48.:06:50.

substantial financial contrhbution along the lines of the currdnt

:06:51.:06:52.

financial contribution to bding members of the European Union and

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therefore gives the lie to those who claim that there will be ?340

:06:57.:07:00.

million a week to spend on the NHS? Yes, I would. We are actually at the

:07:01.:07:04.

point where early negotiations would have to look at all of that. The EAA

:07:05.:07:11.

model works well for Norway, Lichtsteiner and Iceland and that's

:07:12.:07:14.

maybe where we will have to move forward on. Further, for our

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European partners let us never forget they will always rem`in our

:07:19.:07:23.

partners. This is as much in their economic interests to put together a

:07:24.:07:27.

tariff-free trading relationship, for all our futures. Maintahning and

:07:28.:07:33.

extending fair and non-discriminatory access to export

:07:34.:07:35.

markets by negotiating new trade deals with a wide range of partners

:07:36.:07:39.

will be essential to support many key Scottish industries. Securing

:07:40.:07:42.

the best possible commercial environment for Scottish businesses

:07:43.:07:48.

is vital, from the Scottish risk to the industry which represents 1 % of

:07:49.:07:52.

all Scottish exports, to thd EU and also a financial services sdctor.

:07:53.:07:56.

Edinburgh has been an international centre for banking for over 300

:07:57.:08:02.

years. The financial sector is of national importance with direct

:08:03.:08:06.

links between Scotland, the City of London and other EU financi`l

:08:07.:08:11.

markets. Britain has 2. 2 mhllion jobs linked to the financial service

:08:12.:08:14.

industry with around 35,000 of those based here in Edinburgh alone. The

:08:15.:08:19.

city remains the UK's second largest financial hub and this must be

:08:20.:08:25.

protected and nurtured. I al particularly aware - I am rtnning

:08:26.:08:29.

out of time. I am aware so lany young people backed the Rem`in

:08:30.:08:34.

campaign and reassuring thel and working how we can guaranted their

:08:35.:08:38.

economic future must be also a key priority. Young Scots want to have

:08:39.:08:41.

the opportunities to work across Europe. Our young people take an

:08:42.:08:45.

internationalist view and wd need to make sure that they have thd

:08:46.:08:50.

opportunity to study, work `nd travel like before. I accept there

:08:51.:08:55.

is economic uncertainty for many Scottish businesses, as we prepare

:08:56.:08:59.

for a new Prime Minister, and as we prepare for a new Prime Minhster who

:09:00.:09:03.

will formally lead these negotiations, I think it's hmportant

:09:04.:09:06.

that we as a parliament set out a clear message and we send the

:09:07.:09:10.

message out that Scotland is open for business. I believe we remain

:09:11.:09:14.

one of the best countries to start a business and invest and we will

:09:15.:09:19.

always have our greatest asset to attract investors and busindsses to

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locate to Scotland, our people. In the coming days, weeks and lonths

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and years our nations will face many challenges. Now is the time for us

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to work to secure the best deal for Scotland and the United Kingdom

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Thank you. The practical implications of the decision to

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leave the EU are potentiallx massive. It will be weeks, probably

:09:44.:09:47.

months, before the full scale of the impact emerges and already there is

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great concern amongst busindsses large and small with all thd

:09:51.:09:56.

implications that Haass alrdady highlighted. Brexit and its possible

:09:57.:09:59.

consequences is creating genuine worry over the future viability of

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some businesses in my own constituency. Within a mattdr of

:10:04.:10:07.

hours of the outcome of the referendum I have been approached by

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a senior representative of ` farmers co-operative with a annual turnover

:10:13.:10:16.

of around ?40 million. To tdll me of their real worries. They employ

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around 4,000 people across Scotland. Most on a seasonal basis but around

:10:22.:10:29.

10% on full-time management drawn from all over European Europe.

:10:30.:10:33.

Without their efforts the btsiness could not function. Soft frtit is

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part of the success story that is Scottish food and drink and here it

:10:37.:10:42.

is at best confronted by a very real uncertainty. They are presshng to

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have concerns over future access to the workforce they're dependent upon

:10:47.:10:50.

taken on board and are far from alone as businesses in the TK come

:10:51.:10:54.

to terms with the horrific consequences of a decision Scotland

:10:55.:10:57.

as a nation has expressed at the ballot box finds itself at odds

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with. These are the potenti`l practical implications of Brexit.

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What of the people caught in its crossfire? Some of the European

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European folk who over the xears have come to work in agriculture

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have ended up making lives there, bringing families, marrying Scots,

:11:13.:11:17.

going to college to upskill themselves or gain qualific`tions

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needed to bring education b`ck home to play to get better jobs. It's

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become their home and after a campaign disgustingly domin`ted by

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the issue of immigration and let's acknowledge this racism, thdy are

:11:29.:11:32.

worried. It's not just people from European Europe. Browsing social

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media I chanced upon a thought-provoking post from a

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Dutchman. A health professional who happens to practise skills hn my

:11:41.:11:44.

constituency. Because he spoke so eloquently and from a standpoint

:11:45.:11:48.

view of us genuinely grasp let me quote what he said, I have lived in

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the UK and Scotland since I came here from the Netherlands whth my

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parents in 1979. I am about as integrated as it's possible to be. I

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was educated here. I have a family here. I practise a good carder here

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and I believe I krnt to the community in which I live, H speak

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the language and I understand the culture and engage with polhtics, I

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love the heritage and history and stunning scenery and the people the

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warmth and humour and essential decency. The fact I am not ` British

:12:17.:12:21.

citizen meant I did not ghetto a vote, I could watch and participate,

:12:22.:12:26.

occasionally wade with bad grace into a Facebook discussion that

:12:27.:12:31.

irritated me and grow alarmdd as the conversation slowly became lore

:12:32.:12:37.

zenophobic. Ultimately I and others resident here did not get a chance

:12:38.:12:41.

to influence the country. The conflict I felt and in the wake of

:12:42.:12:45.

the vote to leave the EU fedl more acutely centres on the fact as the

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referendum made immigration the main issue and framed the EU as pesky

:12:50.:12:53.

foreigners imposing scheming ways on the UK I felt it was out of place

:12:54.:12:58.

for me to intrude on your great national but internal debatd even

:12:59.:13:03.

though the decision to leavd the EU will have us unclear but allost

:13:04.:13:06.

certainly detrimental effect on my future in the UK. In the big scheme

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of things my discomfort is no big deal. I don't know what rights I

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will lose, what services I will have to start paying for, whether I will

:13:14.:13:16.

have to go through a differdnt gate at the UK airport than my khds. Time

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will tell. There are much bhgger things at stake. Soon when the UK

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leaves the union the separation will be complete and irreversibld, we

:13:27.:13:28.

will have lost common vision, the economic benefits of the market and

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the framework that protects and the common endeavour to peace, `nd

:13:35.:13:38.

workers and human rights. Against all that the blow to my identity and

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sense of my own place in thd UK becoming more per-I have ald and

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fragile important but - livd. I am not merely a res department in

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Britain, specifically I livd in Scotland, that special part of the

:13:59.:14:02.

UK that's shown by voting to remain in the EU that it doesn't bty in a

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the cynical, petty, zenophobic Faragism of some of the othdr parts.

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Nor does it seem to believe sovereignty, the ability to

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determine yir own national `ffairs is incompatible from transn`tion

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co-operation and inte gags with a small I. The make-up of the current

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parliament shows the people share a optimistic and environmentally

:14:30.:14:31.

responsible inclusive vision of society which is absolutely and

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resolutely suited to providhng answers to the problems of the ist

:14:35.:14:40.

century and stands in total contrast to the small minded nationalism of

:14:41.:14:43.

the leave campaign. Whether it's in Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish

:14:44.:14:45.

Government's powers to keep Scotland in the EU or not remains to be seen

:14:46.:14:49.

but a moment of shock and insecurity the First Minister said words that I

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suspect a lot of EU nationals who have made this country their home

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and certainly I needed to hdar. They want policy or even promises, they

:14:59.:15:04.

can't possibly know what will be delivered post-Brexit but what she

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reached in a spirit of generosity demonstrates why hope is not lost,

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not just for European immigrants but for everyone who wants to lhve in a

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progressive and inclusive country that is a fully committed p`rt of

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the European Union. Colleagtes, a decision time tonight let's join the

:15:20.:15:22.

First Minister in reaching out to our Dutch friend and others like him

:15:23.:15:28.

and demonstrate we value thd contribution to Scotland th`t they

:15:29.:15:31.

make just as much as we do our country's place in the EU.

:15:32.:15:41.

Like almost every member of this Parliament and an overwhelmhng

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majority of those who voted in Scotland on Thursday, this hs not a

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position I wanted to be in. Scotland is and the European nation `nd the

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people of Scotland have madd their views quite clear. They intdnd, we

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intend, on remaining Europe`n citizens. We want to see thd

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protections for workers, wolen, parents and the environment continue

:16:04.:16:08.

to affect us. We appreciate the opportunities that freedom of

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movement gives us, not just as a nation in need of a growing

:16:13.:16:15.

population, but as individu`ls. We have no plans to leave the Duropean

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Union and it is only right that we exhaust every option open to us in

:16:20.:16:23.

pursuit of that outcome. Thd support that reaches across almost `ll of

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this chamber today for such efforts will be welcomed by those that we

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represent. These support, of course extends beyond the chamber `nd

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across the continent. Senior politicians

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from across the liberal, Conservative and green tradhtions

:16:52.:16:54.

have all indicated a willingness to secure Scotland's future in Europe.

:16:55.:16:56.

In the course of this debatd I received the following from the

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co-chairs of the European Green Alliance in the European Parliament,

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whilst it is clear that the majority of UK public have voted to leave the

:17:01.:17:03.

EU, far greater majorities voting to remain in Scotland and Northern

:17:04.:17:06.

Ireland must be listened to as well. The Greens in the European

:17:07.:17:08.

Parliament are a strong supporter of the EU and will support exploring

:17:09.:17:10.

all options to allow Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain hn the EU

:17:11.:17:14.

as they have clearly voted to do. We still have a role to play in

:17:15.:17:18.

reforming Europe and building on the successes and failures of the

:17:19.:17:22.

European project. Huge challenges still face us as a continent,

:17:23.:17:28.

challenges that we can only face together. 57,000 refugees stranded

:17:29.:17:31.

within Europe and Greece and over 700 drowned in the last week of May

:17:32.:17:37.

alone, trying to reach our shores. May was the 13th month on rdcord

:17:38.:17:41.

where temperature levels were again broken. The result of that being the

:17:42.:17:46.

kind of extreme weather that only causes extreme

:17:47.:17:58.

misery, not just those in Etrope, suffering from extreme flooding and

:17:59.:18:02.

dangers and coastal erosion but to the many millions elsewhere who will

:18:03.:18:05.

be left with no other option but to flee to our shores. Unless we take

:18:06.:18:07.

collective action that will be a refugee crisis many times greater

:18:08.:18:09.

than the ones we are currently failing to deal with. Whilst the UK

:18:10.:18:12.

as a whole has clearly decided to take a different path that will make

:18:13.:18:15.

it less able to contribute to tackling these crises, Scotland has

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said that we intend to stay, to continue playing our part. One of

:18:18.:18:21.

the United Kingdom may be hdading towards a Conservative government

:18:22.:18:24.

far to the right of the one we currently suffer under, people here

:18:25.:18:27.

have clearly said they valud the protections afforded to us `ll as

:18:28.:18:32.

European citizens, protections from overwork and dangerous workhng

:18:33.:18:35.

conditions, guarantees of m`ternity leave and equal pay for equ`l work,

:18:36.:18:39.

and some, although not nearly enough

:18:40.:18:59.

regulation of our financial sector. The work required to continte these

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benefits and ensure that Scotland can continue to play our part in

:19:02.:19:04.

Europe will be difficult. Wd are in an unprecedented situation `nd I

:19:05.:19:06.

welcome the Scottish Governlent commitment to cross-party working as

:19:07.:19:08.

well as the engagement of council experts. I am pleased to sed other

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parties have already made more commitments but I do have one

:19:12.:19:13.

specific request. Our young people benefit more than any other

:19:14.:19:15.

generation from the opportunities afforded to them and to us `s

:19:16.:19:19.

European citizens. The abilhty to live, work or study anywherd across

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the European Union, schemes such as Rasmus, are not something the

:19:24.:19:26.

Scottish people are willing to lose. I am aware of a letter from the

:19:27.:19:31.

First Minister's opt -- offhce that has gone to the youth Parli`ment

:19:32.:19:34.

which gives them a formal role in the discussions to follow. Given the

:19:35.:19:38.

SNP's unit mandate to represent young people I believe this is not

:19:39.:19:42.

just a reasonable request btt a necessary step and I hope the First

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Minister will agree. Shortlx before this debate I addressed a r`lly

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outside the parliament with hundreds of people assembled and thehr

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message could not have been clearer. They expect us to do all we can to

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exhaust every option to guarantee their rights to keep Scotland in

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Europe and I am confident that we will do just that. It is no secret

:20:04.:20:08.

which option my party prefer, one that we would have preferred,

:20:09.:20:12.

regardless of the outcome of the referendum, but that takes on a new

:20:13.:20:15.

urgency and its aftermath. H believe the only way to guarantee Scotland's

:20:16.:20:19.

long-term future in Europe hs to put our future in our own hands, for

:20:20.:20:23.

Scotland to become an indepdndent nation. Whether the Conserv`tives

:20:24.:20:36.

like it or not, the United Kingdom they argued for in 2014 and longer

:20:37.:20:40.

exists. It is clear that thd arguments they made, that the only

:20:41.:20:42.

way to guarantee EU membership was to vote no and that argument was no

:20:43.:20:45.

longer applies. This UK is very different to last week and ht is

:20:46.:20:48.

only right that the people of Scotland, if necessary and they want

:20:49.:20:50.

it, once again make a collective choice about our future. Today is a

:20:51.:20:53.

day for us to come together as a Parliament and look at everx option

:20:54.:20:57.

available to us, and while H am very keen to explore options short of

:20:58.:21:00.

independence, it would be rdmiss of me not to be honest about mx

:21:01.:21:04.

position. I believe that an independent Scotland, with ` seat at

:21:05.:21:07.

the European table, would provide the most opportunities for our young

:21:08.:21:19.

people and allow us to play the greatest rock possible of f`cing up

:21:20.:21:22.

to the well's crisis, and I believe with independence we can crdate a

:21:23.:21:24.

fairer and more just and prosperous society that we all want to see

:21:25.:21:27.

This week we begin a deeply uncertain process to clarifx

:21:28.:21:30.

Scotland's future in Europe. We could still have the support of all

:21:31.:21:34.

five parties in this parlialent if the Tories can bring themselves to

:21:35.:21:37.

support the responsible reasonable proposals from the government. Few

:21:38.:21:41.

of us wanted to be in this position today but we must work with what we

:21:42.:21:45.

have got and we must do everything we can to respect the mandate of the

:21:46.:21:48.

people in Scotland. We must keep in Europe.

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The will of the Scottish people and that of Northern Ireland, London and

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other parts of the UK must be respected in relation to our

:22:09.:22:12.

position in the European Unhon. This will take time and we must dxpect

:22:13.:22:16.

the European Commission to give respect to the complexities of the

:22:17.:22:20.

negotiations ahead. We must not allow the EU leaders of othdr

:22:21.:22:23.

countries to rush any exit process in a bid to shut down right,wing

:22:24.:22:28.

arguments in their own countries, much as we understand the

:22:29.:22:33.

complexities of that as well. This afternoon I want to focus p`rtly on

:22:34.:22:38.

my brief of environment and climate change and highlight that wd need to

:22:39.:22:42.

protect what is precious in our own legislation which has come from the

:22:43.:22:48.

European Union. I asked the Scottish Government to consider environmental

:22:49.:22:50.

protection in addition to the social, employment and economic

:22:51.:22:55.

benefits in its motion todax. The Cabinet Secretary's evidencd before

:22:56.:22:58.

the environment, climate ch`nge and land reform committee this lorning

:22:59.:23:02.

gave some reassurance on thdse matters. Her explanation th`t the

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Scottish Government's starthng point would be co-operation across

:23:08.:23:11.

national boundaries, and of course regulatory bodies here in Scotland

:23:12.:23:22.

would continue to protect us. She also commented that it was `bout an

:23:23.:23:24.

understanding of our exposure. I agree with this. We must ask

:23:25.:23:26.

ourselves what came from EU directives? Is the legislathon

:23:27.:23:30.

devolved or reserved? What hs now enshrined in Scottish Parli`ment

:23:31.:23:33.

legislation? EU directives `re not about bureaucracy or red tape, as

:23:34.:23:37.

some in the league campaign would argue, this is about directhves that

:23:38.:23:40.

were forged collectively to protect us all. The chair of the UK climate

:23:41.:23:46.

change committee has said that Europe is about gaining sovdreignty

:23:47.:23:50.

as it allows us to face environmental issues. Let's look to

:23:51.:23:54.

see if we can, indeed, in some way retain the membership and those

:23:55.:24:00.

benefits. As to the process, if it comes to it, of dissident whining

:24:01.:24:03.

ourselves from Europe here hn Scotland, and whatever speed it

:24:04.:24:06.

moves, we must argue that wd must fight against any moves to weaken or

:24:07.:24:11.

repeal environmental protection The legislation from protect those in

:24:12.:24:24.

our communities who are most in need of support, communities havd built

:24:25.:24:26.

dislocated left behind. The ambient air quality directive identhfies

:24:27.:24:27.

air-quality zones to tackle dangers to health from traffic emissions.

:24:28.:24:30.

About 4000 people across thd UK still die of air pollution dach year

:24:31.:24:33.

at the enactment of this legislation is better protecting people in

:24:34.:24:37.

Glasgow and other cities across Scotland. The water framework

:24:38.:24:43.

directive was introduced in 200 and transposed into Scots law as the

:24:44.:24:50.

water environment and services act in 2003. And it has ensured the

:24:51.:24:54.

quality of our drinking watdr and reggae sour sewage systems for the

:24:55.:24:58.

benefit people and the environment. Scotland has a high quality water

:24:59.:25:03.

environment that is important to our health and well-being and it

:25:04.:25:06.

supports a rich diversity of wildlife and attracts visitors and

:25:07.:25:10.

supports sustainable development of our economy. I also recall when some

:25:11.:25:15.

of Scotland's beaches were not somewhere I would want to t`ke my

:25:16.:25:18.

children but now, thanks to the implementation of the bathing water

:25:19.:25:21.

directive I can happily takd my grandson to any beach here hn

:25:22.:25:26.

Scotland without thinking twice The Marine protected areas enacted by

:25:27.:25:31.

the Marine Scotland act, dud to international obligations under the

:25:32.:25:34.

EU marine strategy framework directive that calls for good

:25:35.:25:38.

environmental status throughout Europe's marine areas. The birds and

:25:39.:25:42.

Habitat directive also calls for a network of protected areas. All

:25:43.:25:45.

these EU directives have bedn instrumental in benefiting the

:25:46.:25:51.

health of our seas, protecthng the livelihoods of those who fish in

:25:52.:25:53.

them and those of future generations. On climate change I

:25:54.:25:58.

would take issue with Willid Rennie. It is essential that we continue to

:25:59.:26:03.

work with EU countries to protect present and future generations.

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Scotland is, indeed, a glob`l leader, in the UK and the ET, and

:26:07.:26:11.

globally we are at a time when America and China are presshng for

:26:12.:26:14.

coordination. It is also essential that the range of funding that came

:26:15.:26:28.

from the EU to Scotland is protected. In my brief, for example,

:26:29.:26:30.

there is recent support for an offshore wind farm which received

:26:31.:26:32.

?525 million from the Europdan investment bank, supported by the

:26:33.:26:34.

European fund for strategic investments. It is the single

:26:35.:26:37.

largest investment by the ET and brings with it many jobs in

:26:38.:26:43.

Caithness. This kind of support as we transition to a low carbon

:26:44.:26:47.

economy is essential, so let us make sure that we assess how we can

:26:48.:26:53.

protect this funding for thd future. With 75% of young people voting UK

:26:54.:26:59.

wide to remain, we have a responsibility to ensure th`t the

:27:00.:27:02.

Tories kept open to possibld future membership of the EU. So many young

:27:03.:27:08.

people understand the cultural, educational and social links and

:27:09.:27:11.

opportunities that EU membership has brought. Many have been lucky enough

:27:12.:27:15.

to travel or work in Europe or have the advantage of educational

:27:16.:27:19.

exchanges and support such `s the Rasmus scheme and as was highlighted

:27:20.:27:23.

earlier this is very import`nt for the future. Lewis Douglas wrote to

:27:24.:27:32.

me yesterday to say that following the EU referendum on Thursd`y and

:27:33.:27:36.

the United Kingdom's momentous decision, it will have a defining

:27:37.:27:40.

impact on the future of where our country is going now. Most

:27:41.:27:43.

importantly this decision whll have a defining impact on young people's

:27:44.:27:48.

future. Unfortunately the 16 and 17-year-olds were denied thd right

:27:49.:27:55.

to vote. I am writing to yot this afternoon to ask for your stpport to

:27:56.:27:58.

ensure that young people's voices are heard. The Scottish youth

:27:59.:28:02.

Parliament this afternoon h`s called on the First Minister to include

:28:03.:28:05.

young people in the next stdps for this country, following the decision

:28:06.:28:09.

to leave the European Union, helping to make our voices heard in shaping

:28:10.:28:14.

our future. I ask the First Minister to listen to this play this

:28:15.:28:20.

afternoon. Before I call Cl`ire Adamson can I remind members that we

:28:21.:28:23.

are going to winding up and if they took part in the debate thex should

:28:24.:28:26.

be in the chamber for winding up speeches. Can I welcome the First

:28:27.:28:36.

Minister's statement this afternoon and also the revealing of the

:28:37.:28:39.

setting up of the Council of experts which I think will be vital in

:28:40.:28:44.

securing a positive outcome for Scotland in the months and xears

:28:45.:28:52.

ahead. When we were discusshng Scottish independence in 2004 one of

:28:53.:28:57.

the members of that council event, David Edwards, gave evidencd to the

:28:58.:29:01.

European committee and in that evidence he said, personallx I hope

:29:02.:29:05.

very much that an issue of `n independent Scotland with a place in

:29:06.:29:10.

the EU will not arise, but the issue was important for the integrity of

:29:11.:29:15.

the EU and also the credibility of its institutions. It affects other

:29:16.:29:23.

countries as well. People are entitled to know, as far as

:29:24.:29:28.

possible, where they stand. We find ourselves in a similar situ`tion

:29:29.:29:32.

today. This is not what we would have wanted as a result of the

:29:33.:29:36.

referendum but we have to ddal with those consequences. In the Scottish

:29:37.:29:43.

independence debate we were hampered by not being able to get cl`rity in

:29:44.:29:49.

some of these key issues so I very much hope that David Cameron's offer

:29:50.:29:55.

to the Scottish Government to be included and be part of the

:29:56.:29:59.

negotiations ahead will include that when clarity is needed from the

:30:00.:30:05.

member state to approach thd European Union that that will now

:30:06.:30:08.

happen at the request of our First Minister.

:30:09.:30:13.

I am very, very disappointed that we are at this point because of what

:30:14.:30:22.

seems to be the Conservativd Party's petty and ill-conceived jealousies

:30:23.:30:25.

that seem to have been concdived in the Bullingdon club and that have

:30:26.:30:31.

brought the UK to the brink of an uncoupling from the EU. It's a

:30:32.:30:39.

tragedy worth of Shakespeardan epics. Our tragedy is that the Tory

:30:40.:30:48.

Party have lost the plot. They have left a void in leadership and

:30:49.:30:52.

Government at the most diffhcult time for our country but I `lso hold

:30:53.:30:57.

them responsible for the social inclusion void, a vacuum in the

:30:58.:31:02.

post-industrial communities similar to where I live and brass w`ut up.

:31:03.:31:12.

Communities where hope and ,- where I live and was brought up. That

:31:13.:31:19.

vanning home where the fears for the future, for fears for familhes have

:31:20.:31:23.

been exploited and used by those bent on division and blaming

:31:24.:31:28.

migration for the country's problems. Elaine Smith talkdd very

:31:29.:31:37.

carefully about how these communities feel powerless `nd

:31:38.:31:40.

disengaged from the politic`l process but no one has menthoned why

:31:41.:31:44.

there is such a difference hn the Scottish vote in these

:31:45.:31:46.

post-industrial areas than there is in the rest of the UK. Could it be

:31:47.:31:51.

that the rest of the UK hasn't been protected from the bedroom tax? It

:31:52.:31:56.

hasn't had its council rebate protected. The children havdn't been

:31:57.:32:01.

protected through the educational maintenance allowance being

:32:02.:32:04.

maintained. They don't have free personal care, free prescriptions or

:32:05.:32:10.

free education. I hold the Tory Party culpable for that vactum

:32:11.:32:17.

they've left in our communities APPLAUSE

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Presiding Officer, it was the closure of RavensCraig that brought

:32:22.:32:27.

me to the SNP and on a principle of independence within Europe. I look

:32:28.:32:31.

at my community which has sden a Government leave no stone unturned

:32:32.:32:37.

to protect our steel industry and has successfully done in securing

:32:38.:32:42.

liberty take over of the exhsting steel plants in Scotland. The rest

:32:43.:32:47.

of the UK have seen leadership from the Tory Party that is based on the

:32:48.:32:54.

market being all and I am stre that had Redcar, had Port Talbot had the

:32:55.:32:58.

same Government fighting for them that we had in Scotland things may

:32:59.:33:06.

have been so different in this vote. And that desperation of our

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communities has been sickenhngly exploited and is evidenced by that

:33:11.:33:14.

appalling breaking point poster that was released only a few days before

:33:15.:33:18.

the election. So the blame should lie with those who are culp`ble

:33:19.:33:24.

There is no pantomime villahn to blame for the problems in the UK,

:33:25.:33:28.

although Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are making a good rtn for

:33:29.:33:34.

it. This has been a great tragedy for our country and I was appalled

:33:35.:33:39.

to hear the tale of one of ly constituents who received r`cist

:33:40.:33:42.

abuse from someone who had frequented his shop for years, never

:33:43.:33:47.

having displayed such sentilents, a family who work in our area, who

:33:48.:33:52.

live, their children and grandchildren live in my

:33:53.:33:56.

constituency. They employ pdople in my constituency, they fundr`ise for

:33:57.:34:01.

food banks and for our hosphce. They were told to go home leaving the

:34:02.:34:06.

expletives out. They are hole. That's what we should all rdmember.

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APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, I want to finish

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with a quote from Michael Rosen our children's laureate. I am stre he's

:34:17.:34:21.

taken us on a bear hunt in the past but this is from another podm. I

:34:22.:34:26.

sometimes fear people think fascism arrives in fancy dress and played

:34:27.:34:30.

out in the endless reruns of the Naz ies. Fascism arrive as your friend t

:34:31.:34:36.

will restore your honour, m`ke you feel proud, protect your hole, give

:34:37.:34:41.

you a job, clean up your neighbourhood, remind you of how

:34:42.:34:47.

great you once were, clear out the corrupt and move everything you feel

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is unlike you. I hope the whole country will reflect on those words

:34:53.:34:57.

because zenophobia and racism are no place in any solution going forward.

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Thank you. Six minutes or thereabouts, please. Yesterday

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Angela Merkel hosted a meethng with Francois Hollande in Berlin to

:35:15.:35:18.

consider the process of British withdrawal from the European Union.

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The leaders of the EU have lost no time in confirming that a mdmber

:35:24.:35:29.

state voting to leave finds itself immediately outside the tent. The

:35:30.:35:33.

process of negotiation looks set to be very tough indeed. Even lore

:35:34.:35:38.

visually striking was Europd's big three had also changed overnight.

:35:39.:35:42.

The place occupied by successive British Prime Ministers was now

:35:43.:35:46.

taken by the Prime Minister of Italy and they acted as if it had always

:35:47.:35:51.

been that way. The message could not have been clearer, the world has

:35:52.:35:59.

changed and so has our placd in it. 60 years ago, Anthony Eden plunged

:36:00.:36:05.

Britain into the Suez crisis that culminated in his resignation.

:36:06.:36:09.

Seeking in vein to maintain the British empire he hastened hts end

:36:10.:36:15.

and changed our place in thd world. British foreign policy has focussed

:36:16.:36:20.

ever more sharply on Europe since then until now. And the present

:36:21.:36:25.

Prime Minister will go down in history for an equally momentous

:36:26.:36:29.

decision. David Cameron's Stez was a referendum we did not need with an

:36:30.:36:35.

outcome even he did not want. It is future generation who is will pay

:36:36.:36:39.

the price of that folly if these Islands do indeed disengage from our

:36:40.:36:43.

European neighbours. But th`t referendum has happened. Thd world

:36:44.:36:47.

has changed. Today's debate has been about how we deal with that. What we

:36:48.:36:52.

should not do is head straight for the trenches to fight again the

:36:53.:36:56.

previous referendum. If the vote last week changed the world, so did

:36:57.:37:00.

the vote in 2014. It's no longer credible to say well that w`s a vote

:37:01.:37:05.

of Britain as a whole, therd is no Scottish angle because Scotland is

:37:06.:37:08.

another component part of the United Kingdom. Not so. If this parliament

:37:09.:37:12.

with their new devolved powdrs really is the most powerful devolved

:37:13.:37:17.

parliament anywhere, it follows that we can and must take our considered

:37:18.:37:22.

view of the implications of Brexit for Scotland's future. Labotr will

:37:23.:37:25.

not support the Conservativd amendment today because it seeks to

:37:26.:37:29.

rule out any engagement by the Scottish Government with thd

:37:30.:37:32.

institutions of the EU as if such engagement was simply a matter for

:37:33.:37:36.

the UK Government alone. Surely this is not the time to limit wh`t

:37:37.:37:42.

options Scotland's devolved Government can explore. I al

:37:43.:37:45.

grateful to the member. I agree with the general point he is makhng but

:37:46.:37:50.

surely it goes further, the Scottish parliament is about to gain over the

:37:51.:37:55.

period of this session powers that place our budget much more hnto

:37:56.:37:58.

connection with the perform`nce of our economy and yet at prechsely

:37:59.:38:02.

that time it's the UK Government which has taken the most wrdckless

:38:03.:38:06.

gamble with the economy which will have a direct impact on spending on

:38:07.:38:11.

public services here unless we act to protect them. I agree with that

:38:12.:38:16.

but at the same time it's true to say that last week's vote does not

:38:17.:38:18.

change the decision of the Scottish people in 2014 when we voted to

:38:19.:38:22.

remain part of the United Khngdom. The question which voters in

:38:23.:38:25.

Scotland were asked last wedk was whether the United Kingdom should

:38:26.:38:28.

remain a member of the European Union and it is the answer to that

:38:29.:38:33.

question which should guide what we do now. There are material changes,

:38:34.:38:40.

of course. Many will wonder whether independence in Europe if Scotland

:38:41.:38:44.

is in or without is less attractive than what was on offer. Manx will

:38:45.:38:47.

leave a domestic market of 65 million is more precious if we lose

:38:48.:38:51.

access to a single market of 50 million even if some think the

:38:52.:38:55.

single market matters more. The First Minister has said agahn today

:38:56.:38:59.

there are options to explord other than a second independence

:39:00.:39:02.

referendum and we on this shde take her at her word. If she wants to

:39:03.:39:06.

retain that credibility and cross-party support she will want to

:39:07.:39:10.

contain the excitement of those of her supporters and even minhsters

:39:11.:39:17.

who cannot wait for it and `ppear to have written off other options

:39:18.:39:21.

already. Many voters will not want a referendum whatever the question

:39:22.:39:25.

because recent weeks have rdminded us of how ugly, brutal and divisive

:39:26.:39:29.

such choices on major national issues can be. I was glad she made

:39:30.:39:32.

clear this afternoon that stpport for her motion is quite sep`rate

:39:33.:39:37.

from the issue of independence, that clear distinction must be m`intained

:39:38.:39:39.

throughout the process we bdgin today. We ask the First Minhster to

:39:40.:39:44.

explore Scotland's options on behalf of this parliament for protdcting

:39:45.:39:47.

the benefits of Scotland's relationship with the EU and our

:39:48.:39:51.

place in the single market `ll of which we have secured over 40 years

:39:52.:39:55.

as part of the UK. We want her to do that in consultation with other

:39:56.:39:58.

leaders of devolved administrations in the United Kingdom, such as the

:39:59.:40:02.

Mayor of London and we welcome what she has said today on that latter.

:40:03.:40:08.

Other parties will also be `ctive in pursuing initiatives towards our

:40:09.:40:13.

shared objectives. Kezia Dugdeal has spoken to the Mayor of London, the

:40:14.:40:17.

and the chief Minister of Ghbraltar, all share our values and value the

:40:18.:40:22.

UK's membership of the EU. There is a particular onus on the Government

:40:23.:40:26.

to take these matters forward over coming months. We welcome the

:40:27.:40:31.

presiding officer's assurance that the parliament stands ready for

:40:32.:40:33.

recall if required this sumler to hear what progress the Government

:40:34.:40:38.

has made and I look forward forward to the Cabinet Secretary addressing

:40:39.:40:40.

immediate issues at the European committee this week. I hope in

:40:41.:40:43.

summing up today the Cabinet Secretary will say more abott

:40:44.:40:47.

exploring options other than independence and that she and her

:40:48.:40:50.

colleagues will work hard to maintain a united approach. Only by

:40:51.:40:57.

doing that can we give people here and elsewhere hope that the chaos

:40:58.:41:00.

and crisis caused by David Cameron's referendum will not mean thd end of

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our European story. APPLAUSE

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Thank you very much. Eight linutes or theres about. This has bden a

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passionate and deeply felt `fternoon of debate and so it should be. Few

:41:16.:41:19.

decisions taken by an electorate have held such profound implications

:41:20.:41:24.

for a country. May I begin by paying tribute to the voters in my

:41:25.:41:28.

constituency who again achidved a record turnout in Scotland of 7 %.

:41:29.:41:32.

And who together with voters in Edinburgh achieved the highdst vote

:41:33.:41:37.

for Remain in Scotland and the th and 10th highest votes

:41:38.:41:40.

representatively anywhere in the UK. My constituents voted to Relain As

:41:41.:41:44.

with all but a handful of mdmbers I sought a different outcome `nd while

:41:45.:41:48.

I accept the outcome across the UK, I share the dismay and frustration

:41:49.:41:52.

expressed by the First Minister last Friday. There have been thrde

:41:53.:41:56.

referendums since devolution and while I appreciate the First

:41:57.:41:58.

Minister has been on the losing side in all of them, being on thd losing

:41:59.:42:02.

side this time has been a ndw experience for me. There have been

:42:03.:42:07.

some SNP lawyers this afternoon who have commended the First Minister on

:42:08.:42:10.

the leadership she showed dtring the campaign and may I surprisingly join

:42:11.:42:13.

them and congratulate her on the energy she brought to the contest,

:42:14.:42:18.

both here in Scotland and in her participation in the UK refdrendum

:42:19.:42:23.

debate. But I cannot help btt observe that the Scottish p`rty who

:42:24.:42:27.

supporters apparently voted to leave by the largest percentage wdre those

:42:28.:42:30.

of the SNP and perhaps the First Minister will reflect on whx so many

:42:31.:42:35.

of her supporters ignored hdr advice and perhaps Richard Lockhead may

:42:36.:42:42.

like to reflect on why nearly 5 % of his constituents voted to ignore

:42:43.:42:47.

him. This was not a clear-ctt result in every district and every

:42:48.:42:51.

community in Scotland. But dessia dug das deal has to reflect while

:42:52.:42:54.

many Labour voters may have followed her advice in Scotland, by ` greater

:42:55.:42:59.

margin they rejected the shocking leadership from Jeremy Corbxn, no

:43:00.:43:03.

national leader has looked lore lacklustre smug or indifferdnt to

:43:04.:43:07.

the result since last Thursday than he has. She can stew in her anger

:43:08.:43:11.

against this side but she ndeds to boil on the shame of her own juices

:43:12.:43:17.

over the complacent and indhfferent leadership shown by Scotland's

:43:18.:43:20.

party's current UK leader at Westminster. In any event, H might

:43:21.:43:28.

observe too in passing, as did e-Labour Party Smith, that to

:43:29.:43:33.

proportional as this parlialent may be it did not reflect the b`lance of

:43:34.:43:38.

opinion in Scotland and that's something for us to reflect upon

:43:39.:43:41.

however awkward. The proposhtion I voted for last week and campaigned

:43:42.:43:45.

for that the UK remain in the European Union no longer exhsts

:43:46.:43:48.

That was the proposition on the ballot paper, it was not th`t I or

:43:49.:43:52.

anyone else are to that matter vote for Scotland to remain in the EU

:43:53.:43:55.

whatever the terms of the circumstances. I voted for Scotland

:43:56.:43:58.

to remain in an EU where thd whole of the UK was an influential member

:43:59.:44:04.

state. The First Minister in her statement last Friday reasonably

:44:05.:44:07.

expressed her frustration, `nd to be frank, anger at the fact th`t

:44:08.:44:10.

Scotland along with Northern Ireland and London spoke so differently to

:44:11.:44:13.

the rest of the UK. She's elbarked on a strategy to explore all the

:44:14.:44:17.

options open to Scotland. And has detailed these as she sees them in

:44:18.:44:22.

broad terms the sensible and prudent. But if I had the vhews

:44:23.:44:27.

expressed this morning however n the European Parliament by Jean,Claude

:44:28.:44:31.

Juncker and the fact in the last few minutes the European Presiddnt

:44:32.:44:34.

Donald Tusk has turned down the First Minister's invitation for a

:44:35.:44:37.

meeting, suggests that it is not going to be an easy path forward. I

:44:38.:44:41.

suspect that while the First Minister does no disservice in

:44:42.:44:44.

exploring her options, the reality of a union based on treaty will

:44:45.:44:49.

assert itself although I hope that my pragmatic pessimism provds wrong.

:44:50.:44:53.

However, in exploring all the options and within hours of the

:44:54.:44:58.

result, the First Minister confirmed she had instructed officials, it

:44:59.:45:01.

seems almost before anything else and before anybody had digested

:45:02.:45:04.

their breakfast, to prepare the way for a second Scottish indepdndence

:45:05.:45:07.

referendum. Because as I listened with care then to the options as the

:45:08.:45:11.

15s Minister detailed them, I did not hear advanced what many regard

:45:12.:45:16.

as the Prost mob outcome and which surely the SNP must acknowlddge must

:45:17.:45:20.

be a possible scenario, that Scotland remains in the UK `nd

:45:21.:45:24.

outside of the European Union. It's not enough for SNP members to sit on

:45:25.:45:28.

their seats and sneer and s`y this shows the true colours of pdople who

:45:29.:45:32.

consider that. It is surely imperative in that scenario we not

:45:33.:45:35.

only secure the best possible terms in our exiting the formal ET for

:45:36.:45:39.

Scotland, but that in the ftture life of our country we ensure that

:45:40.:45:42.

the policies adopted for thd areas of national life once again

:45:43.:45:47.

determined in the UK are unequiffally designed to advance

:45:48.:45:51.

Scotland's best interests. @t the very least this option should enjoy

:45:52.:45:54.

a parallel status and frefrt the Scottish Government.

:45:55.:45:58.

If they don't do that and they focus on the campaign for the next

:45:59.:46:05.

referendum then the SNP risks undermining the Scotland influence

:46:06.:46:08.

in the very negotiations and future planning that are taking pl`ce as

:46:09.:46:12.

others conclude that the Scotland contributed are parted, half baked

:46:13.:46:15.

and designed to undermine the deal available. I do not argue this would

:46:16.:46:19.

ever be the intention of ministers but it could easily be the

:46:20.:46:22.

conclusion of others less and liked it so we need to see Nicola Sturgeon

:46:23.:46:28.

in the heart of London and not in Europe, we need her to work with the

:46:29.:46:31.

Secretary of State for Scotland who she didn't mention in her statement

:46:32.:46:36.

today, and all others to represent Scotland's best interests. We need

:46:37.:46:40.

all of Scotland's Westminstdr MPs, with the First Minister didn't

:46:41.:46:44.

mention today, to represent the Scottish interest and not those of

:46:45.:46:47.

the SNP. We need to see and the voices in support of Scotland and

:46:48.:46:52.

not just suffered the village and tweets in support of the SNP

:46:53.:46:57.

belligerent agenda. Central to our interest is the access to the free

:46:58.:47:02.

trade market that is so fundamental importance to employment. The result

:47:03.:47:07.

last week doesn't change thd fact that the overwhelming majorhty of

:47:08.:47:10.

our business is with the rest of the UK or the European Union and jobs

:47:11.:47:14.

and futures depend upon it. Foremost in our minds wherever we live in the

:47:15.:47:18.

UK should be the future of our young people. I know from my own home and

:47:19.:47:22.

friends of my son is just how strongly they feel. It is not just a

:47:23.:47:26.

media fantasy but rightly or wrongly many young people now feel that the

:47:27.:47:30.

60% of our older generation who voted to leave have the opportunity

:47:31.:47:35.

of the youngest generation who voted to remain. We have above all else to

:47:36.:47:40.

show and give these young pdople help. Direct democracy has let them

:47:41.:47:44.

down in a way ripped represdntative democracy would not do but we have

:47:45.:47:50.

to offer them the opportunity to study and work across Europd and the

:47:51.:47:53.

world as they would wish to do so and we need to facilitate this and

:47:54.:47:56.

the potential absence of thd many schemes available currently within

:47:57.:48:00.

the existing EU and welcome others to the UK in exchange. Just a few

:48:01.:48:05.

weeks ago, and on all sides of this chamber, members spoke with passion

:48:06.:48:08.

and commitment for the UK's continued membership of the European

:48:09.:48:12.

Union. I argued I hope and believe not on the basis of why we should

:48:13.:48:18.

not leave but why we should remain. I will always argue for the most

:48:19.:48:20.

positive, productive and engaging relationship with Europe but now it

:48:21.:48:23.

is necessary for us to meet the challenge few of us sort and we need

:48:24.:48:27.

to meet it with steely purpose and with an agreed unity of purpose and

:48:28.:48:33.

with a message of hope, howdver individuals may define it, our Judy

:48:34.:48:39.

T is now to find the best rdsult for the people of Scotland. I whsh to

:48:40.:48:50.

thank all of those who have participated in the debate today and

:48:51.:48:54.

also echoed the First Minister's pride in the decision voters in

:48:55.:48:59.

Scotland took to decisively vote in favour of Scotland and the TK's

:49:00.:49:04.

continuing membership of thd EU Just reflecting on the contribution,

:49:05.:49:09.

I think Jackson Carla does protest too much and it is about tile the

:49:10.:49:14.

Conservatives face up to wh`t they have done. It doesn't behold him to

:49:15.:49:27.

lash out to other people and other members in this chamber. Sole of the

:49:28.:49:32.

members today have contributed about how they felt personally, as Willie

:49:33.:49:36.

Rennie did, some about their constituents and how they fdel, some

:49:37.:49:40.

have talked about the immedhate consequences of the referendum vote

:49:41.:49:43.

and some about the nature of the campaign that was fought, and some

:49:44.:49:48.

about the immediate aftermath. Many have focused on the result htself,

:49:49.:49:55.

the emphatic 62% of Scots who chose to remain, but also I thought it was

:49:56.:50:03.

a very passionate speech whdn Kezia Dugdale asked us to underst`nd that

:50:04.:50:07.

in some places in some cases people voted to leave out of a sense of

:50:08.:50:11.

powerlessness and a need for change, and we also have to think through

:50:12.:50:15.

the consequences of that and Patrick Harvie was correct to identhfy that

:50:16.:50:20.

there was space provided for division and fear and hatred to be

:50:21.:50:24.

engendered and that has to be confronted and faced on in `ll of

:50:25.:50:28.

our politics as we go ahead. Christina McHale be talked `bout

:50:29.:50:33.

rights and respectful citizdns of the EU and many of the contributions

:50:34.:50:37.

we have had today have talkdd about EU citizens living here. Thd Europe

:50:38.:50:41.

minister visited two businesses yesterday morning in Edinburgh,

:50:42.:50:46.

owned by EU nationals, to hdar first-hand why they chose to make

:50:47.:50:49.

Scotland their home, and to make clear to them that their

:50:50.:50:54.

contribution is valued, and right across Scotland employers

:50:55.:50:56.

organisations and industries have been publishing messages and making

:50:57.:51:00.

statements stressing the continued welcome for their friends and

:51:01.:51:05.

colleagues. A professor frol the University of Glasgow State on

:51:06.:51:08.

Friday that the university was founded in the European tradition

:51:09.:51:12.

and nothing will change thehr international outlook. He told his

:51:13.:51:16.

colleagues and the students from the EU just how much this University

:51:17.:51:19.

values the contribution to the community and they are vital and

:51:20.:51:23.

important part of the University. The head of NHS Scotland has stated

:51:24.:51:27.

that he values the contribution of every member of staff in NHS

:51:28.:51:32.

Scotland regardless of citizenship. The EU referendum has not changed

:51:33.:51:37.

that. The principle of the Royal conservator of Scotland emphasises

:51:38.:51:47.

that our EU people will be welcome. I think we can all agree th`t

:51:48.:51:53.

however each of us voted th`t the Scottish Government has a

:51:54.:51:55.

responsibility to provide reassurance to the 173,000 DU

:51:56.:52:01.

citizens that have chosen to make Scotland their home and the First

:52:02.:52:04.

Minister head of this debatd has already outlined the actions we are

:52:05.:52:12.

taking to provide that reassurance. I met yesterday with many

:52:13.:52:16.

ambassadors who have citizens living here and I underlined our commitment

:52:17.:52:19.

to the interests of their chtizens and I think it is important that we

:52:20.:52:23.

do ensure that welcome is known We have always argued in this

:52:24.:52:27.

government about the benefits of EU migration and that is a consistent

:52:28.:52:32.

part of our message and I w`s saddened and angered the wax some

:52:33.:52:38.

used or seek to use in a wholly misleading way migration as a way to

:52:39.:52:42.

encourage people to leave. Claire Adamson gave a clarion call in a

:52:43.:52:46.

very powerful speech about how all of us going forward must face up and

:52:47.:52:54.

face down that behaviour. Wd cannot express the Scottish Governlent

:52:55.:52:56.

welcome more clearly than the First Minister on Friday morning. Scotland

:52:57.:53:00.

is your home, you're welcomd here and your contribution is valued I

:53:01.:53:07.

also want to emphasise that in my discussions with the ambass`dors

:53:08.:53:10.

yesterday I told them about this debate and that it was a motion

:53:11.:53:15.

about how approval to take forward and protect Scotland's interests in

:53:16.:53:19.

the EU and that all options would be assessed, and they was not ,- that

:53:20.:53:25.

we were not asking Parliament will support about the referendul.

:53:26.:53:29.

Despite my disappointment in the UK result I want to stress agahn the

:53:30.:53:33.

commitment of the Scottish Government in ensuring that all of

:53:34.:53:36.

Scotland's interests and those of our citizens are protected `t this

:53:37.:53:40.

most uncertain of times. Thd Scottish Government will take that

:53:41.:53:51.

forward. We spoke about the economic aspects and some direct dialogue is

:53:52.:53:54.

happening already about how to ensure that our business interests

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are protected. We must also think about how we do it and who we do it

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with. We spoke about the financial services industry in the city. How

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do we expect the financial services in the city of Edinburgh to be

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advanced without the opporttnity to engage directly, and I bear in mind

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that the financial services commission has resigned. Although

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there may be similar interests with the financial services in London,

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there will also be different interests and it is very important

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that we explore all options and we understand that. I want to turn to

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Oliver Mundell in particular who said there is no need to julp to

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hasty conclusions. In terms of our engagement, we are seeking trgent

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talks with the UK Government on its plans for a withdrawal but H make it

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clear that no one has any idea what those plans are. His perspective, to

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wait and see is at best passive but actually worse is a completd and

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utter abdication of responshbility. If you listen to the tone of the

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Conservatives, both sides of remain and leave our acting and behaving as

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they wish it hadn't happened. Our job and responsibility is to take

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forward Scotland's interests and I will ensure that we have di`logue

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with our colleagues across the United Kingdom. We have said quite

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clearly that Scotland must have a clear role in the UK negoti`tion

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and, indeed, the Prime Minister has confirmed that but we do nedd a seat

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at the table and we can't h`ve a repeat of the situation of the last

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year in terms of the negoti`tions and in terms of David Cameron's work

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that we were locked out of. It is unclear how these developments will

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be taken forward but I have met with the Secretary of State for Scotland

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on Friday and I'm due to have a full call with Europe minister tomorrow

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and it is important that we ensure that we have an opportunity to look

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at all options but we must have a direct engagement to ensure that all

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options can be explored with EU institutions as well as with the

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United Kingdom. Many members have cited different arguments for

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economic benefit from the ET, that the access to the single market the

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valuable social and human rhghts, the importance of being abld to pool

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sovereignty and look bigger issues such as global challenges and

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tapping pollution and climate change and the refugee crisis. We don't

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have to look too far back in history to acknowledge the importance of

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corporation in the EU over complex. That is something we must always

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remember. I am proud that this chamber the debate a month `go step

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forward the positive case for membership, free from the fdar

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-based campaigning we saw on both sides during the closing st`ges The

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benefits will realise from our EU membership were as real last week as

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they are this week and in voting to remain the people of Scotland have

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recognised that and that is why the Scottish Government is commhtted to

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be examining all options opdn to it and preserving its relationship with

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the EU so these benefits can continue to be realised and we will

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engage directly with Europe`n states and institutions and the UK

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Government and I met with the Secretary of State, as I sahd, and I

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am talking to the UK's Europe minister, and we continue otr

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engagement in Brussels and other member states. If we are to advance

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our interest in law and bushness and jobs and environment, we must

:57:33.:57:38.

identify what the options are within the EU institutions and the member

:57:39.:57:42.

states. In doing so we can build on the work of the European external

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affairs committee report whhch was set out and I can reassure lany that

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I will make sure opposition members and spokespeople are informdd. We

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have the benefit in Scotland of taking this work forward with advice

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and information and knowledge and wisdom from a standing Council on

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Europe, as announced by the First Minister, to look at all thd options

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that we can take forward in pursuing our interest. In terms of where we

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are now, we are in a unique and unprecedented situation and we are

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in uncharted waters and there is no obvious route forward but together

:58:26.:58:30.

we must find a route forward and I am confident that we as a p`rliament

:58:31.:58:34.

can work collaboratively gohng forward, taking all actions in the

:58:35.:58:38.

best interests of Scotland. The people of Scotland sent us here in

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our election a few weeks ago to represent us -- them and st`nd up

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for their interests. We havd a clear responsibility and duty to work

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together, not just across this chamber but together with the

:58:54.:58:56.

experience and knowledge and wisdom of the standing council and beyond

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to make sure that we identify, protect and advance the Scotland

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interest in the EU. It is in that spirit and that intent that I would

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urge members to think forward in the case of Scotland, not just where we

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have been recently in this campaign, but where we want Scotland to be in

:59:18.:59:21.

the future. We might not have a charted route forward but if we have

:59:22.:59:25.

a commitment and a common endeavour and we have the interest of Scotland

:59:26.:59:30.

clearly in our focus I think this Parliament, working together, can

:59:31.:59:34.

achieve much in difficult thmes So I would urge all members to think

:59:35.:59:39.

about the opportunities that lie ahead, the challenges that lie

:59:40.:59:42.

ahead, be realistic about what they may be, but let's come together and

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give endorsement that that work should and must take place.

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That concludes the debate on the implications of the EU referendum

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for Scotland. It is time to move onto the next item business. Aramid

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amendments 44-68 and opposition amendment 181 relating to investment

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relief. Klaus and 76 extends entrepreneur relief to external

:00:13.:00:16.

investors in in listed comp`nies up in a 10% rate of capital gahns tax

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accruing on the disposal of shares in an unlisted trading comp`ny.

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Trades -- shares must be held by individuals b-day newly issted or

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issued after the 26th of March 016 and be held by the investor for at

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least three years starting from the 6th of April in the 16. A pdrson's

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qualifying games are subject to a lifetime gap of ?10 billion. The

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theory behind this relief w`s that it would encourage investment in

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small business which would need

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