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2014. The National Farmers' Union in Scotland says for every ?1 of EU | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
payments to Scotland, that puts ?4 million into the river and dconomy. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
European structural funds in Scotland from 2014, to 2020 is worth | :00:10. | :00:17. | |
929 million euros. Pain frol everything from roads to rural | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
communities. Supporting bro`dband, farm diversification. Money that | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
comes Ju Reti from Europe as I said. Time and time again, the report from | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
the last Europe committee pointed out it was not clear that the block | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
grant would be adjusted to compensate for the loss of the | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
funds. That is before you consider the losses incurred from losing | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
access to the European markdt, or our loss of European citizenship. | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
More fundamentally the kind of country we wish to live in. The kind | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
of country that we want to live in, open, welcoming to people from | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
across Europe and other countries, and quite the opposite of the | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
terrible racism that others have mentioned we saw character rising | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
the league campaign. While I do not speak as the new | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
convener of the Parliament 's offer from thd First | :01:14. | :01:33. | |
Minister to meet the committee at the first opportunity. The | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
government are now exploring how we can work with others, including that | :01:37. | :01:45. | |
you keep and EU is -- UK and EU institutions to explore how Scotland | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
can stay within the EU, even if other parts of the UK, notably | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
England, leaves. Senior polhtical figures in Europe have responded | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
warmly. I was very pleased to hear some of the comments from the debate | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
in the Irish Parliament yesterday, praising Scotland as an anchent | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
European nation, one with its own jurisdiction and one that w`s a very | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
strong member and supporter of the European ideal. I was pleasdd to | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
hear Scotland 's farming Cabinet Secretary Fergus Ewing say that his | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
EU counterparts yesterday h`d been very positive and sympathethc | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
towards the predicament in which Scotland finds itself. It is not | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
impossible that such a compromise could be reached. We have hdard | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
about the Denmark and Greenland situation in the past. And Duropean | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
leaders are pragmatic in circumstances when demanded, for | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
example they rapidly absorbdd East Germany into the community `fter the | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
bell and wall fell and the committee of experts clearly had a vital role | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
to play here, but we also nded to be practical. It is also likelx that | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
such an arrangement may prove impossible to negotiate. And I noted | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
that Sir David Edwards, who is going to be a member of the standhng | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
committee, had expressed scdpticism about achieving this comprolise I | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
know that he's linked to be a witness to the committee on | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
Thursday. I very look forward to hearing what he has to say. I am | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
concerned about the chances of negotiating a compromise because | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
much of it will require the cooperation of a Westminster | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
government which may soon bd in the grip of leadership even mord | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
right-wing than those that we currently in Dewar. -- endure. Once | :03:34. | :03:46. | |
the UK triggers the Brexit process through section 50, it has just two | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
years to do a deal, and unldss the Council of Europe agrees to extend | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
the time which appears on lhkely given recent statements comhng out | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
of the EU, then a guillotind will fall under section 50 and the UK | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
will be cut off with whatevdr deal the EU decides to give it, `nd we | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
cannot have Scotland similarly marooned. If independence is then | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
the only option remaining then we have to have that independence | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
referendum before the guillotine falls, because if we vote yds, if we | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
have a referendum after, after the guillotine falls, and we vote yes, | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
we would then have to renegotiate our entry into the youth outside, | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
which I am sure is something that nobody wants. It is something that | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Kirsty Hughes, who is also going to be a witness at the committde on | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
Thursday, who is a member of friends of Europe and the distinguished | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
academic, subject, has written extensively on. I look forw`rd to | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
hearing what she has to say. This is not a headlong rush towards | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
independence as Willie Rennhe suggested. It is a contingency | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
measure in Scotland 's best interests to put this legislation in | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
place. It is an important contingency measure. The prhority | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
now is to Act in the best interest of all of the people of Scotland | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
whatever their views on independence, and I, for ond, very | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
much will back the support of other countries across this Chambdr - | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
parties across this Chamber because it is important that we Act, as one, | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
if all the people of Scotland, and we will also always be led by the | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
people of Scotland and their interests, first and foremost. Adam | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Tomkins to be followed by Rhchard Lockett. I said in my maiden speech | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
in this Parliament, I wanted the United Kingdom to remain in the EU. | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
And like all members on these benches to say that I am | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
disappointed in last week 's result is something of an understatement. | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
My real reaction to the restlt could not be translated into Parlhamentary | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
language. I have seen nothing since Friday to make me think that I was | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
wrong and I believe is the best outcome for the public interest In | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
these remarks, I want to look to the future, not hark back on a campaign | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
lost. The people of the UK voted to leave the EU. That much is clear. | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
But only that much. Exactly what leaving the EU now means is anything | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
but clear. And there is not merely an opportunity but an oblig`tion for | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
all of us to begin to flesh out whether we wanted this outcome or | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
not, what we think leave should now mean. We're going to be entdring | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
into long negotiations with European partners. And the first task is to | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
identify exactly what it is that we will be negotiating to achidve. The | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
First Minister has said she wants to preserve Scotland 's position in the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
European Union. Fine. But qtite what this means is also unclear. | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
Scotland, of course, is not and never has been one of the U member | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
states, and about in Scotland last week was to seek to preservd the UK | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
's status as a member state, not to insist that Scotland becomes a new | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
member state. The First Minhster has said she will appoint an expert | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
advisory panel to look at what she has described as all the options and | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
by what Magnus and offer to assist in any way that I can. So, what | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
should leave mean? And what are the options for Scotland? To my mind, | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
leave should mean that we rdtain full access to the EU 's single | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
market. As I understand it, even those small numbers of MSPs who | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
advocated the leave vote ard of the view that we should maintain Aspel | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
and access to the singer market as possible. We may be, as has been | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
remarked several since -- sdveral times since Friday, in unch`rted | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
territory. But there are sthll some things we do know. Leaving the EU | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
political institutions does not mean that we have to leave its shngle | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
market, because there are sdveral countries including Norway, a place | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
that the SNP often likes to talk about, who have just such an | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
arrangement. What are the options for Scotland was Akroum agahn, they | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
are many. And our obligation now is to put some flesh on the bones. Let | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
me give an example. At the loment it is out with the legislative | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
competence of this Parliament to enact law that is incompatible with | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
EU law. We, as a Parliament could perfectly easily maintained that | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
rule after the UK ceases to be an EU member state. We could pass an Act | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
providing that all Scottish legislation is to be read and given | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
effect subject to EU law and we could confirm in the Court of | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
Session the jurisdiction to quash any legislation that is incompatible | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
with European law. All of this is perfectly possible within otr | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
current legislative competence. Presiding Officer, I make no | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
pretence that the last two days have been easy. We have lost a Prime | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
Minister. There is volatility in the markets and we face the prospect of | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
difficult and protracted negotiations. But one posithve note | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
struck in the past few days is the point strongly made by the Prime | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
Minister that in those negotiations, the Scottish Government shotld play | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
a leading role along with the devolved administrations in Northern | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
Ireland and Wales. As the Prime Minister said, it is import`nt, | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
vital, that the interests of all parts of the UK are representative | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
effectively and properly in those negotiations. Of those advocating | :09:28. | :09:34. | |
Scottish independence at thdir referendum in 2014, First Mhnister | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
Alex Salmond said he would put together an all-party team from | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
Scotland to negotiate on behalf of the nation. Likewise, now, the UK | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
Government will put together an inclusive team negotiate on behalf | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
of all the nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern | :09:50. | :09:50. | |
Ireland. This is as it should be. ... Now people want to see their | :09:51. | :10:06. | |
politicians working together in the best interests of the country. This | :10:07. | :10:14. | |
is not where we wanted to bd. Mike rumbles. There is not a member in | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
this Parliament more pro-UK than myself. Would you not agree that | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
when the First Minister said about for this motion is not a vote for a | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
referendum on independence, that we should work together across the | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
Chamber, we should all work together and support the motion put forward | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
by the government. I think we should work together to help the United | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
Kingdom negotiate what it mdans by leave and to maintain and s`feguard | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
the interests of Scotland. H have made that her thickly clear. What | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
Scots now want to see -- perfectly clear. Scots want to see politicians | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
working together in the best interests of this country. This is | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
not where we wanted to be. This is where we are. So let's try `nd make | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
the best of it, together. Thank you. APPLAUSE | :11:11. | :11:20. | |
I call Richard Lockett to bd followed by Anas Sarwar. I spent the | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
weekend attending constituency events. Thousands of people attended | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
those and everyone wants to talk about the referendum. Peopld go from | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
those who voted remain and who voted for leave as well, and they are now | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
extremely anxious about the future and their children's future and the | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
future of Scotland. I have been inundated with e-mails and letters | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
over the last few days. A l`dy said I have two daughters aged two and | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
four, what kind of country `re they going to grow up in? I am truly | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
fearful for the future. The one thing everyone had in common was | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
that they are keen for all politicians in this Parliamdnt in | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
Scotland to show leadership in these difficult times, especially given | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
the vacuum at UK level that we are witnessing. That is why the debate | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
today is so important. We mtst deal with what may turn out to bd the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
biggest event so far in our lifetimes and post-war Europe. There | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
have been other seminal events since post-war, the fall of the Bdrlin | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
Wall which was about solidarity when Eastern European countries | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
joined the Andrea Burk them with open arms. The UK has now chosen | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
isolation over Corporation `nd damaged European unity. It hs noted | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
that the referendum result has been welcomed by some of the most | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
extremist voices across Europe. People hoping to put forward | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
extremist agendas based on scapegoating minorities and others | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
to blame for Europe 's currdnt woes. We must hope that the UK decision | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
does not lead to a domino effect as reverberations of Brexit ard felt | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
across the whole of Europe. By working together in this Parliament | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
civic Scotland, to secure otr nation 's place in Europe we can sdnd out a | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
message of hope and optimisl to its peoples. A message that says | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
Scotland once an outward looking, modern, European country whdre we | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
embrace rather than reject differences, and we are not going to | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
run away from Europe 's tough challenges. I would urge all parties | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
in this Chamber to focus on the outcome that we all profess to want, | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
which is to stay in Europe, in line with the democratic wishes dxpressed | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
by the people last Thursday. And yes, we need time to considdr all | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
the options and consider thd views of all parties, and I hear | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
suggestions that we can rem`in part of the UK which is out of Etrope | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
last week and other parts of the UK remain in the EU, and I am looking | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
forward to hearing the detahls of how that could work in practice and | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
not lead to political and ddmocratic messiness of blank cheques for | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
constitutional and commerci`l lawyers for the rest of timd. But | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
the Parliament must be careful to listen to all views, in Parliament | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
and out Parliament. The Minhster is absolutely correct to say that a | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
second independence referendum must be on the table. Many peopld who | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
voted no in 2014 are now seding enough is enough to stop thd | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
reference point in the independence that they'd have been radic`lly | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
altered. Many no voters are saying that if it was a choice between | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
remaining in an isolated UK out of Europe whilst we've voted to remain | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
-- wasabi voted remain, or to be governed by Conservatives dhd not | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
vote for either, then we will vote differently next time, and they | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
deserve a voice. Could you perhaps explain why, if this motion which | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
you are supporting and debating today, you are now the second back | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
and chest in the Speaker and two out of two have moved on to inddpendence | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
and a second referendum. Th`t is where the concern is from these | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
benches when a large majority in your constituency are not stpporting | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
this motion. It would be cotple of the Conservatives rallied round with | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
one party in this Gibran put the Scottish interest first and not the | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
UK. APPLAUSE | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
In doing so, can I say that we cannot ignore the 30% of Scots who | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
voted to leave but many had genuine concerns that need to be addressed. | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
Europe is evolving and we nded a vision of the kind of Europd we want | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
Scotland to be part of. If we support a reform agenda we have to | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
say what that is and we havd to articulate it. | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
The next two years will be lomentous and decide the long-term for you | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
chuck of Scotland. There ard other steps we can now take to protect the | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
interests of Scotland. Betwden now and Brexit many decisions are going | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
to be taken in the EU that will impact our economy and commtnities. | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
In this new environment I do not believe the UK is able to look after | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
the interest of Scotland sub it is important that Scotland shotld | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
formally request that our mhnisters from this government lead the UK | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
delegations to those formal and informal councils of ministdrs | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
meetings that will take place in Brussels and Luxembourg in the next | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
two years where the genders are of relevance to the national interest | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
of this country. Whether it is negotiating fish quotas or | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
environmental policy relationships matter and attitude matters and | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
commitment matters and goodwill on both sides of the table is | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
absolutely essential. Negothators want to know you will be serious and | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
in it for the long term but we are now in the situation where the UK is | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
walking away. There is no incentive on either side to bank negotiating | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
capital for the future, but we do know there is goodwill towards | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
Scotland and Europe, goodwill from member states and institutions, as | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
we saw today in response to the speech from Allan Smith tod`y. | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
Scotland wants to participate and act in the long-term interest of our | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
own priorities and Europe. Between now and Brexit Scottish minhsters | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
should be given the opportunity to lead for Europe in the UK. Finally | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
before I close it would be `n idea for the EU to postpone the TK | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
presidency slot in 2017 that will be unable to beef fulfilled and that | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
should be left open in case Scotland become a member state. That position | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
should also be offered to Scotland or indeed Northern Ireland. Everyone | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
please support this motion today that is unprecedented in anxious | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
times. All parties should ptt Scotland's national interests before | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
their own on this very spechal occasion and during these dhfficult | :18:04. | :18:14. | |
and anxious times for Scotl`nd. I voted remain on Thursday because I | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
believed it was in the best interest of Scotland in the UK to do so. I | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
felt a huge sadness to see the results as they came in and the | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
biggest reason was that we have lost the opportunity to stop talking | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
about constitutional politics and instead focus on the matters of | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
issues right here and right now Many of them are issues of life and | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
death. Today's debate comes as new figures show that the expected | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
standard on cancer treatment has now not been met for over three years. | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
Let us not underestimate wh`t happened on Thursday. This hs a | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
seismic event for the UK and the EU. There are millions of peopld across | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
the United Kingdom who are deeply disappointed with the result in | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
anxious about the consequences. Consequences dominated by the | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
reaction and volatility in the markets. Let's be clear what the | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
markets means. It is people's jobs, wages, mortgages and pensions. Our | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
immediate priority must be to encourage calm heads and to protect | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
individuals and businesses who may be affected by the volatility. This | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
is not the time to think about short-term political interests, | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
because what facing as a nation is much bigger than that. Therd is no | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
doubt that the United Kingdom is at the start of an economic crhsis | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
overlaid by a constitutional crisis. That is why Scotland must play a | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
full part in the process gohng forward. Indeed I believe the First | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
Minister has a duty to engage in all talks and negotiations becatse | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
rightly all options should remain open. That is why there must be a | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
formal structure that allows all of the talents and peoples of the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
nations and regions, includhng Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
and London, to be an equal part of the negotiation process so we can | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
get the best deal possible for all parts of the United Kingdom. This | :20:18. | :20:24. | |
structure should also have ` remit to discuss and decide with | :20:25. | :20:31. | |
significant powers being repatriated to the UK, where they should reside, | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
it includes significant powdrs on fishing and farming that ard crucial | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
to the Scottish economy. I believe it is premature to talk abott the | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
timing of any future independence referendum, especially as wd don't | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
yet even know what the terms of the UK leaving the EU will be, or, | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
indeed, what the terms of Scotland leaving the UK to join the DU would | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
be, if that is even the casd. The market volatility that we h`ve seen | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
in the last few days shows that asking people to make a dechsion | :21:05. | :21:06. | |
without fully considering the consequences have implications that | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
are dangerous for jobs, wagds, mortgages and pensions. I wdlcome | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
the tone that the First Minhster has adopted since Thursday. She is right | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
to say that we are in uncharted territory and I hope that that is a | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
tone that continues in the weeks and months ahead. The First Minhster is | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
right to ask questions about the impact on the single market, on free | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
movement, our currency and our international relationships going | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
forward. We do need clarity on what the new arrangements will mdan for | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
the ?11.6 billion of trade that Scotland does with the EU, but we | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
will also need clarity on what any new arrangements would mean for the | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
?48.5 billion of trade Scotland does with the rest of the United Kingdom. | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
The First Minister is right that we need to see what the new | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
arrangements will need for the tens of thousands of EU nationals living, | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
studying and working in Scotland, and for the 135,000 Scots working in | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
Europe, but we will also nedd clarity on what any new arr`ngements | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
would mean further more than 50 ,000 Scots living, working and studying | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
in other parts of the United Kingdom. There are many unanswered | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
questions. What would be thd details of any deals for Scotland? What | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
terms with the UK sector with the EU? What will be the status of the | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
new relationship? How much `ccess to EU markets will we retain or lose? | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
Will the people of Scotland have their opportunity to have a say on | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
any we negotiated terms on membership and crucially wh`t | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
guarantees would we have before any proposed vote on independence? The | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
First Minister always makes the point that the UK is not thd same | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
now as it was in 2014, but H put it to this parliament that the EU may | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
not be the same in two years as it is now. Let us not have somd | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
romantic view of the politics on mainland Europe. I bitterly oppose | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
the right-wing politics of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, btt be in | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
no doubt, they are made to look like moderates compared to Marie Le Pen | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
of the French National partx who could be president next year, or the | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
rise of the far right party in Germany and Perdido Hooper `re - | :23:24. | :23:32. | |
plan violent processes across Europe. The Slovakian Prime Minister | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
said, multiculturalism is fhx, is lamp as no place in Slovaki`. This | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
man may take over the rotathng presidency in the coming wedks. | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
There are many other mainstream and populist parties amongst thdm, | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
climate change deniers comic anti-Semites and Islamophobd 's | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
Since Thursday we have seen an increase in hate crimes. In Glasgow | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
neo-Nazi stickers have gone up, claiming white zones. We should send | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
a strong message to all minorities that are here, that this is your | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
home, and we stand with you in peace and unity and to the spreaddrs of | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
hate we say it directly, it is not our minorities that are not welcome | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
here, but you and your hateful views that are not welcome in Scotland and | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
the United Kingdom. So, to conclude, there is much uncertainty over the | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
coming months. We do not know what the negotiations will throw up so | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
when the First Minister says that everything is on the table H really | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
hope that she means it. We need to wait and see what the outcoles are | :24:39. | :24:50. | |
of the negotiations, so we can make clear and reasoned decisions. That | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
is why we need to have cool heads, to ensure we make decisions not with | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
anger but with reason. Membdrs are starting to allow their spedches to | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
drift over time so could I `sk you to have the about that. We face in | :25:01. | :25:10. | |
Brexit something I thought we would never have 2-Face. Only a fdw weeks | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
ago I said that the leave c`mpaign seemed to have taken leave of their | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
senses, threatening systematic cuts to the Scotland Budget and ` | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
reversal of the gains of definition in the event of that breaks and now | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
we're hearing those calls. This sort of rhetoric from a key vote leave | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
spokesman has shown that calpaign in its true colours, hostile to the | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
Scottish parliament, the consensus on this place in Holyrood and our | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
voters, who voted overwhelmhngly in favour of remaining within the | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
European Union. We also hear that Theresa May, a potential candidate | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
to be Prime Minister of this United Kingdom, we hear her say th`t we | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
need to get out of the European Convention of human rights `nd it is | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
to those rights that I will concentrate on today. Robert Burns | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
wrote a while your's eyes are fixed on mighty things, them empires and | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
fall of Kings... Amid this lighty fuss just let me mention thd rights | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
of women merit some attention. That poem was written about the time of | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
the French Revolution with Durope in turmoil and war just around the | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
corner at every turn. As th`t continued and popular reforl | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
societies abdicated Parliamdntary reform there was the fear of the | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
spread of revolutionary ideology on our home territory. How famhliar | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
that is today. In 1793 radical was arrested and transported and two | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
said later we do not, we cannot consider ourselves as mode `nd | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
melted down into another cotntry. Have we not distinct courts, judges, | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
juries, laws. Absolutely. Hd had been the architect of a new reform | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
Society in Scotland and optdd to reform club is unlimited to social | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
class, that wasn't the case elsewhere. That brings us to what | :27:15. | :27:26. | |
lies at the heart of this ctrrent EU debate, nationhood, citizen Hood, | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
this is sovereignty and the rights of every man and woman. The fates of | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
empires. Governments ignoring the will of people will face thd dire | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
consequences of it. We do not seek resolution or revolution, as | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
described, we seek enlightenment, sisterhood. When Thomas Paine was | :27:48. | :27:56. | |
lauded for his rights of mine, the rights we cherish so much not to be | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
toyed with by any government. I am a is true supporter of the European | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
Convention on human rights @pple fight for it every step of the way | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
and I believe that we can rdform the European Union and we know that | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
because we have done it before. Professor Neil McCormick was an | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
architect of -- architect of that reform of the almost pushed Europe | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
to a constitution enshrining our fundamental rights. There wd are, | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
back to those rights that are so important. His work pushed forward | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
that agenda towards the Lisbon Treaty and without his earlx work we | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
would not have that treaty so another Scotsman who took up the | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
cause, protecting and extending our fundamental human rights as EU | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
citizens. Article 18 of the Treaty on the function of the European | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
Union provides that no citizen shall be discriminated against on the | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
basis of nationality. The chtizens of member states also have | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
employment rights that derive from EU registration and -- legislation | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
and EU treaties have enshrined principals promoting | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
non-discrimination on areas of sex, race and ethnic origin, relhgion or | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
belief, disability, age or sexual orientation. As a result thd EU has | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
developed comprehensive leghslation in the area of non-discrimination | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
and equality. It began with sex discrimination in employment and has | :29:22. | :29:31. | |
been extended. The people of Scotland through due democr`tic | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
process reaffirmed its belidf in and support of that European Unhon and I | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
think it only right that thhs government be supported by our | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
Parliament to realise the ddmands placed on it by us, the people and | :29:43. | :29:52. | |
our voters. Stated articles are open to European states that respect | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
common values such as human dignity, freedom, democracy, equalitx, the | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
rule of law and respect for human rights and member states also | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
declare that these things prevail in their societies. These are things I | :30:08. | :30:22. | |
am happy to pin my name to. There are names that every Scottish man | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
and woman ought to know. If you are called for jury service, whdn your | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
name is drawn by Lott and you vote in an election and you freely voice | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
your thought, don't take thdse things for granted because dearly | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
they were fought. It is with these rights in mind that I support this | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
motion by our government today and I ask them to devote themselvds to the | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
cause of the people. It is ` good cause and it shall ultimately | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
prevail and it shall finallx triumph. | :30:51. | :30:59. | |
Oliver on Delta be followed by Jackie Baillie. -- Oliver Mondale to | :31:00. | :31:10. | |
be followed by. It is easy to think that this tells a single story, it | :31:11. | :31:18. | |
does not. It tells 33,000,500 individual stories with people of | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
all backgrounds from all corners of our United Kingdom and from | :31:25. | :31:26. | |
different political persuashons coming together in the largdst | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
exercise in democracy are islands have ever seen. People voted lead, | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
and they voted remain, for ` multitude of different reasons. And | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
rightly so. This was a complicated decision with many competing and in | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
some cases mutually incompatible outcomes. It is context we lust now | :31:48. | :31:54. | |
look at the overall result hn Scotland which is just one | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
dimensional flat. Rather th`n jump to hasty conclusions as the First | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
Minister has done, we must take time to digestive backpack and rdflect on | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
what this result means for people here in Scotland and elsewhdre | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
across our United Kingdom. Hn the long run, people will not look | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
kindly on political posturing or idle speculation. And now more than | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
ever we have a responsibility to pull together and knuckle down to | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
the task in hand. I have no time and we are keeping strictly to time It | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
is in that spirit I would ask all those who voted to remain to find | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
themselves questioning the democratic process, to refldct on | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
the fact that 19,005 and medting people in my own dump the ship | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
constituency voted to leave the European Union. -- my dump Fischer | :32:42. | :32:49. | |
constituency, a higher numbdr than voted for me as their MSP. @cross | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
Scotland, over 1 million voters put the cross next to leave, a larger | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
number than to put their cross next to Nicola Sturgeon for First | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
Minister, and just short of the total number who voted for the SNP | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
in the constituency ballot. Whilst this is far short of a majority of | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
Scots, it was by no means slall or insignificant number of people and, | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
of course, whilst the result was decisive in Scotland- wide context, | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
we must recognise there werd significant variation within | :33:23. | :33:30. | |
Scotland with 49.9% voting leave in Moray compared to 25% in Edhnburgh. | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
I know that that might seem of little consequence to the m`ny who | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
feel angry, as if their boys was not hurt, but it is important to | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
remember that the viewer a of the majority is seldom universal in a | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
democracy, no matter how yot choose to look at the numbers and whilst I | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
understand that it First Minister and for that matter many decent and | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
fair minded people did not `gree with the result, it remains the UK- | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
wide result and we must all respect that outcome. Just as those across | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
the rest of the United Kingdom accepted the possibility at the | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
start of the campaign that Scotland might have helped together deliver a | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
remain result. Now is not the time to rake over the campaign or dwell | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
on the result because we ard where we are. Instead, we owe it to people | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
to start considering where we go next. The truth is, this debate is | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
not about the result. Nor, sadly, does it even seemed to be about what | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
is best for the people of Scotland. Instead, it is again forced many SNP | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
about one thing and one thing only, independence. Since by the lorning | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
we have seen once and for all that behind the seemingly good intentions | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
lies a deliberate malice. If they were serious about building | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
consensus and negotiating in good faith then they would have taken a | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
second referendum of the table. And all we have seen is what st`rted as | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
a statesman-like approach r`pidly descend into self interest. And | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
whilst I acknowledge that events have been moving very quickly, the | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
First Minister has fast become like a runaway train, defaulting back to | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
her all-too-familiar mantra of independence at any cost. And while | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
others have taken steps to steady the ship with leading Leave | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
campaigners supporting Adel`ide to the article that the process, | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
allowing time for the best `pproach and a consensus to be reachdd, the | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
First Minister has sought to amplify division. In doing so, she not only | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
does a disservice to leave voters like me, but far more disgr`cefully, | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
the First Minister is letting down those who voted to remain bx | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
potentially undermining what could yet prove to be a better de`l for | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
access to the single market for Scotland than could hope for as an | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
independent nation. For a start that would be one that allowed us to | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
use the pound rather than the euro. The truth is, this debate is a red | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
herring and India motion th`t followed the result it is e`sy to | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
overlook the fact that Nicola Sturgeon wanted independencd no | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
matter what, that before thhs campaign started she abandoned her | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
once-in-a-lifetime pledge almost as quickly as it left her lips. That is | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
why, in or out of Europe, wd must never allow ourselves to forget that | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
the SNP exist for one purpose and one purpose only, to break tp our | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
United Kingdom. For me, likd many fellow Scots, in good times and in | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
bad, it is always that prim`ry union between are family of nations that | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
will come first. Even in adversity, and even ended his appointmdnt and | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
anger that many feel, there is a greater good, something far more | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
important to our future prosperity than our European Union membership, | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
and now it is time to fight for that, and to work together hn good | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
faith to secure the best de`l for Scotland. Thank you. Jackie Baillie | :37:00. | :37:09. | |
to be followed by Michael Rtssell. Like many in this Chamber and across | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
the country I was but a leaders appointed that the result of the | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
European Union referendum. Ht felt akin to a bereavement when the | :37:18. | :37:19. | |
results were being declared across the country. I am greatly in respect | :37:20. | :37:26. | |
of democracy, but I was horrified to see Nigel Farage celebrating his | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
result on Friday morning. This man was the face of Britain that was | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
reflected to the world. And I reject everything he stands for, and he | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
certainly does not speak for me What is clear is that David Cameron | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
gambled with our future. He couldn't control the Eurosceptics in the Tory | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
Party, so he gambled on a rdferendum and he lost, but we are all the | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
losers for that. He will shortly be out of office. We will, in time | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
potentially be out of the Etropean Union, and the price for thd country | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
in Scotland and across the TK may well be very high indeed. Pdople | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
tell me that this was an antiestablishment vote. And that is | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
maybe so. And we need to understand the reasons why people voted in the | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
way they did. But let's not pretend that Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
Michael Gove are anything btt the establishment. They went into this | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
referendum not expecting victory. Without a plan for what thex would | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
do, leaving the country in continuing uncertainty. And I bore | :38:38. | :38:45. | |
the approach of the Leave c`mpaign, cynically in what they said and had | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
promised to increase funding to the NHS, which they denied withhn indeed | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
less than 12 hours of the close of walls. I agree wholeheartedly with | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
the First Minister 's sentilent and that of others, that people from | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
Europe and across the world are welcome in Scotland. But I `m | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
disappointed by the result. And angry by the nature of the campaign. | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
But there is a need now for stability and cool heads. Otr | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
responsibility is to assess the impact and take action wherd it is | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
right to do so. And, in addhtion to the representation is being made | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
across Europe, I believe our immediate priority as well lust be | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
action to protect the econoly and jobs. I would be pleased to hear | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
what the Scottish Government will do in that regard, in tandem whth the | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
representations they are making elsewhere. Before Brexit became a | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
reality, the Fraser of Alhadur Institute said we were flirting with | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
a recession in Scotland. Growth was slowing, we underperformed relative | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
to the UK, and we were facing stagnation in the economy. H regret | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
that that prospect, with many economists think it is more likely | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
now across Scotland and the UK. We have seen a sharp decline in the | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
stock market wiping billions from share prices, and the falling pound | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
against the dollar and the duro And whilst I am sure that we all hope | :40:10. | :40:16. | |
that this stabilises quicklx, it makes a practical focus on the | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
economy essential. Currentlx we exported mostly to the rest of the | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
UK followed closely by the rest of Europe. The government 's and | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
statistics for 2014 showed that 42% of all international exports would | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
Western for the EU at the v`lue of some ?11.6 billion. One in dvery ?6 | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
in our business economy is generated by companies based in the rdst of | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
Europe. So this matters to our economic well-being. Businesses do | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
adapt to changing circumstances But these changes are often most keenly | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
felt by those who work for them and in lessening job opportunithes. We | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
are hearing anecdotal evidence of changes to investment plans, | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
companies paid in dollars sdeing an immediate loss because of the | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
exchange rate and one man and now of was about to start an engindering | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
job in Europe, and he has now been told to stay at home, because they | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
had no idea if they are going to recruiter that job any more. And | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
what about right on it prodtct, Scotch Whisky? Likes of much of the | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
food and drinks sector reprdsenting an increasing contribution to the | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
GDP, a substantial exported to Europe accounting for thous`nds of | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
jobs. It is that impact on the people we serve that we must focus | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
our attention on. There are views on mortgages, pensions. All of these | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
may be affected. Let me zool in on a couple points. It is about the | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
impact on people that we nedd to look at. On a second referendum I | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
acknowledge and welcome be the assurance given by the First | :41:53. | :41:54. | |
Minister that this is not hdr starting point. Let me say `s | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
respectfully as I can, I listened to Fergus Ewing with great attdntion | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
this morning on GMS and he suggested independence was the only answer. I | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
had the government not to f`ce both ways on this. Let me say, jtst as | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
Nicola Sturgeon said, that the UK, I am in my final minute, that the UK | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
had changed. Well, so will the new... We have a point of order | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
Miss Bailey. Miss Bailey sahd that she refused to take my point of | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
order. That is not the point of order. It is up to the Speaker who | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
she allows to intervene. No, Mr Ewing, that was not a point of | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
order. Miss Bailey is currently making her contribution. I hope | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
added time will reflect the intervention I have add. Nicola | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
Sturgeon said that the UK h`d changed, but so will the EU, so it | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
is imperative that, should we be faced with another independdnce | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
referendum, that clear, det`iled terms of joining Europe will be set | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
out in advance, because if we join the euro, we will need to ddcrease | :43:11. | :43:13. | |
public debt. That means cutting public spending. What implications | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
will that have for our servhces I want to remain in Europe. I am a | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
committed European. But we lust approach this with our eyes wide | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
open and take time to consider what we should do. At the moment it is a | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
constantly changing landscape. We don't know what will happen. The | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
First Minister is intent on bringing forward another independencd | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
referendum to this country, then she must spell out in detail wh`t the | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
terms of that engagement with Europe will be, and nothing less whll do. | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
Presiding Officer, let me fhnish by welcoming the First Minister 's | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
comments about working together We should be working together `cross | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
the UK, people in Northern Hreland, London, Manchester and other areas | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
beside. They will feel the dconomic consequences of this, so let's not | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
stand alone in our negotiathons with Europe. Michael Russell to be | :44:09. | :44:17. | |
followed by Elaine Smith. I want to address two issues, the imp`ct of | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
the decision last Thursday on this Parliament in terms of Scotland and | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
its budget and finances and process. And what I think is the existential | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
choice that Scotland now faces. Firstly, on the issue of budget it | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
is obvious that in our presdnt state of partial dependence, budgdt | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
decisions made south of the border impact directly on what we have to | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
spend and on our timescale of scrutiny. We are clearly dependent | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
in block grant and taxation on the overall health of the UK economy. | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
Huge insecurity has been crdated not only by the vote last week but by | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
the political paralysis that has followed it. George Osborne, the | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
author of the disastrous revenge budget idea, is now the author of | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
the equally damaging no budget idea. The Autumn Statement will follow a | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
challenge in Tory leadership and a changing Minister. It might be | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
subordinated a snap general election. Although these factors | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
create considerable uncertahnty in Scotland, where the draft btdget is | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
due according to the existing timetable to be published bx 20 of | :45:20. | :45:21. | |
September. Anyone in London will have two | :45:22. | :45:34. | |
clarify this matter. We will need to make decisions in Scotland on how we | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
move ahead. It may not be the time for a spending review. Must -- much | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
discussion on this is required and tomorrow the finance committee will | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
have an opportunity to disctss this with the finance minister, ` rather | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
unusual first evidence sesshon for both. Finance issues lie within the | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
overall context of political issues and it has been and is an | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
extraordinary political tidd. The First Minister is aptly be correct | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
that her leadership has been inspirational in this last weekend. | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
The key issue is to retain our membership of the EU and th`t is our | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
objective and it is right that we start that process today with a | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
clear instruction to the Scottish Government to explore every | :46:16. | :46:17. | |
possibility and consider evdry route there may be. What is not in doubt | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
is the objective must be achieved. It must be achieved because only by | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
doing so can we retain, each one of us retain our European citizenship | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
which amongst other things guarantees free movement, protect us | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
in the workplace, enhances `nd conserves the environment in which | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
we live and welcomes divershty and difference within a tolerant hole, | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
whilst allowing us to participate in the structures of the union as | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
equals, individually and collectively. I have the opportunity | :46:50. | :46:58. | |
to ask the First Minister, `s chair of the finance committee, is it his | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
view that should be Scotland leave the EU and have to rejoin at a later | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
date, that it would be subjdct to joining the euro and be tied by a 3% | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
deficit? I am not speaking hn my capacity as chair of the finance | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
committee but as my capacitx about someone who knows anything `bout | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
politics would no that is a silly question because there is no such | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
requirement. Let me deal with realities. The touchstone for me is | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
European citizenship. I don't want to give that up in Scotland did not | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
consent to give that up for anyone who lives here. European citizenship | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
is an addition not a substitution, we enjoyed in addition to otr UK | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
citizenship. We are presently Scottish, British and Europdan but | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
now we are being forced to give one of those up and that is truly an | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
existential choice and it goes to the heart of who we are and who we | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
will be. We are being forced to decide if we are British or European | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
and we are being told we cannot be both. I was born in England and I | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
have many family and friends there, what Chesterton called the plain | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
people of England, a good, noble outgoing and generous and they have | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
been failed by their leaders and they are still being failed. That is | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
a tragedy. The First Ministdr is right to say that the country that | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
Scotland chose to remain in two years ago no longer exists `nd it is | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
the people of England to sed that most clearly now. They ended it with | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
their vote last week. They lust find a way forward from that and I hope | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
they can find a better way forward but accepting that failure `nd its | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
consequences is Scotland -- something Scotland cannot and must | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
not do. We must look up to see a vision of corporation and | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
engagement, the daughter whhch as was said yesterday is opening, | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
festival for discussion. In 185 in the House of Commons during a | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
difficult of their Palmerston talked about his objective in forehgn | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
policy. His objective was this, to ensure that the British subject in | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
whatever land he may be shall feel confident that the watchful eye and | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
the strong arm of England whll protect him against injustice and | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
wrong. That is the choice now for us. Should we do as we are told and | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
rely once again on the watchful eye on the strong arm of England to | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
protect us? Have we grown ott of that? Given that the eye and the arm | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
are withered beyond recognition Would it not be more in keeping with | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
the times to see collaborathon, Corporation and an open outlook to | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
the world, and if that is so, where do we get those? Only in our | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
membership of the EU. That hs the existential choice and we are being | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
forced to make it. Finally let me go very close to home. On Frid`y I was | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
on the island of mile and ydsterday I was in mid Argyll where there is | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
genuine apprehension and fe`r about the consequences of what is taking | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
place. Talk of job losses and companies retrenchment. Concern | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
about investment, public and private and worry about funds and loans and | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
an acknowledgement of how mtch comes from Europe and still comes to | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
support rural areas. Somethhng more. Centuries of engagement havd made us | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
European. We were European before we were British, sending students to | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
the continent, Sherry citizdnship with France, appealing our very | :50:27. | :50:34. | |
nationhood. In war and in pdace we look to Europe and they look to us. | :50:35. | :50:41. | |
In the words of Voltaire, for our very idea of civilisation. Our | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
existential choices being m`de not because of this referendum but | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
because of our history. Its inherent in who we are. We cannot be anyone | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
else. We are European and chtizens of Europe and that is what we have | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
chosen to remain at what we must remain, no matter how and no matter | :50:59. | :51:10. | |
what it takes. As one of only a few MSPs who put a case for leave, | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
though not part of any official campaign I feel I must contribute to | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
the debate today, after all nearly 40% of those who use their vote | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
actually boated Leave and they were spread across all parties and that | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
effectively means that this parliament did not affect that in | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
the contributions prior to the vote and while I appreciate that members | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
will have their personal vidws or party line, I would have thought | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
that this kind of vote by the public should have been more reflected in | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
this chamber so they need a voice today. I spoke to a great m`ny | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
people and I listen to the `rguments for Remain including the colpelling | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
ones being made by Jeremy Corbyn and I studied the left-wing casd for | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
Leave and one reason I felt compelled to contribute to the | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
previous debate was that I believe the opinions of those who wdre | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
voting Leave for democracy, workers' rights and stopping privatisation of | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
public services and they deserved expression in this chamber. The 1 | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
million voters in Scotland who chose Leave did so in the sure knowledge | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
that this referendum was right across the UK and every single vote | :52:14. | :52:15. | |
counted on its own merit, whether you were in Blackpool | :52:16. | :52:30. | |
or Belfast, Cardiff or Coatbridge, London or Lossiemouth. Therd was no | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
question that regional country results would be treated differently | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
to the overall results. We had a democratic vote here in 2014 with an | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
unprecedented turnout that leans we are part of the UK and that was only | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
a Scottish boat but the democracy of that is being set aside. Thhs | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
referendum vote was conductdd right across the UK and over 1 million | :52:45. | :52:49. | |
voters in Scotland who chosd Leave deserved reputation and thex don't | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
deserve to be disenfranchisdd. With regard to Remain voters it hs clear | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
it was a UK wide vote based on the UK's relationship with the DU so in | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
terms of the motion I cannot vote to welcome the overwhelming vote of the | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
people of Scotland to bow to Remain since I voted Leave and the overall | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
premise is flawed. The ballot paper did not ask if you wanted Scotland | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
to remain in the EU and there was an majority of people here who voted | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
for the UK to remain. There was a degree of ambivalence as Scotland | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
have the second lowest turnout from across the UK. Just over 1 lillion | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
people in Scotland voted for the UK to leave the EU and they did so with | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
little support for their vidw in this Parliament, indeed all parties | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
and leaders were pushing very hard for Remain. Furthermore those voters | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
contributed substantially to the end you the outcome of a Leave vote If | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
they had all voted for Remahn then the outcome would have been very | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
different so Scotland certahnly contributed to the overall result. | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
In some areas the boat was tight and maybe that is due to things like a | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
controversial Common fisherhes policy that has contributed to the | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
demise of our fishing industry. These kind of failures in ET policy | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
might be just one of the re`sons that some people across the country | :54:10. | :54:20. | |
chose to vote Leave and to say that much of the result in this | :54:21. | :54:22. | |
referendum was predicated on the xenophobic intolerance is a wee bit | :54:23. | :54:24. | |
simplistic. However there is no doubt that Ukip exploiting such | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
sentiments where they do exhst, for their own ends and the disgraceful | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
and now infamous poster now put out by Nigel Farage and Ukip certainly | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
had a hand in changing the linds of some socialists who had been | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
inclined to vote Leave. I agree with the sentiment and the motion that | :54:40. | :54:47. | |
the EU citizens living here are welcomed a contribution ballot and | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
that is important to send ott but if anyone implies that all votdrs were | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
xenophobic racist then that would be outrageous and I hope most lembers | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
in this chamber do not belidve it or ever impolite. Many of the | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
working-class thing communities in south-east Wales and North Scotland | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
voted Leave as an expression of disconnect with the whole political | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
elite. In south Wales the threat of 4000 jobs being lost at Port Talbot | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
as a direct result of EU st`ted rules blocking more governmdnt | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
support could have influencdd the results. I want is down with | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
steelworkers workers the EU stance on competition policy has mdant that | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
national governments face a backlash of legal action if they attdmpt to | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
nationalising industry. Think about this, not being subject to | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
competition policy and legal challenge would mean that otr | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
Scottish Government could e`sily nationalise industries like steel if | :55:44. | :55:46. | |
they wished and they wouldn't have too returned to Cal Mac in future. | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
What we should be focusing on are the important issues of stopping | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
austerity, protecting workers' rights and jobs and the First | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
Minister should be entering her discussions within the UK and out | :55:58. | :56:00. | |
with bearing in mind that she represents all the citizens of | :56:01. | :56:02. | |
Scotland, those who voted to remain, those who voted to | :56:03. | :56:18. | |
leave and those who didn't vote and I do note her earlier comments on | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
that. At this time she can't lose sight of domestic issues like | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
teachers, industrial action, RMT strike, the NHS. The EU is not | :56:24. | :56:25. | |
Europe, it's a political construct that undermines elected nathonal | :56:26. | :56:27. | |
governments and it eliminatds democracy and it is primarily a | :56:28. | :56:29. | |
trade agreement. In the words of Tony Benn on how the EU is | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
developing, it was very obvhous that what they had in mind was not | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
democratic. I am in favour of democracy, well so am I. We should | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
all now respect the democratic mandate from the UK elector`te which | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
included the 1 million Scottish Leave voters. The citizens of the UK | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
through the ballot box has given directive of change through the EU | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
project which has clearly f`iled many of them. Many of them see it as | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
a victory of people against profit and the powerless against the | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
powerful and we need to makd it work for them. John Foster had a view of | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
leaving the EU, a renewed ddmocracy, restored welfare state, public | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
control of the economy, our vision to combat racism, cynicism `nd | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
division and unite all workhng people and that is my vision. We | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
need to make this work for working people and that is the most | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
important aim, and that is with the UK Socialist Labour governmdnt fight | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
against austerity government and attacks on wages and workers' | :57:31. | :57:39. | |
rights. Before I start I just want to say | :57:40. | :57:48. | |
that I know Oliver is a new MSP but he is an MSP. You are here to | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
represent the people of Scotland, not the UK Government. The people of | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
Scotland spoke quite clearlx last Thursday and I think what you should | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
be doing, and your colleaguds, is you should be standing up for them. | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
I am a bit disappointed that I have to make some of the same colments to | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
my colleague on the right-h`nd side, Elaine Smith. Honestly, if xou think | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
the workers are going to be better off under Nigel and Boris, then it | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
is a strange socialism that you believe in. I think, presidhng | :58:18. | :58:25. | |
office, I finished by saying the workers would be better off with a | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
Socialist Labour government. And I would be better off being 24 years | :58:31. | :58:38. | |
old, six foot tall and blond haired! In the 20 years I have been involved | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
in the S I have learned to deal with disappointments. I was | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
heartbroken over the 2014 rdferendum result but I was able to take | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
encouragement from the positivity that the campaign generated at the | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
prospect of Holyrood achievhng additional powers in Scotland | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
becoming engaged with the Ddmocratic participatory process in a way I | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
never saw before. Sadly I h`ve no such positive outlook in thd wake of | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
this result. This saw claims retracted within hours of the | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
results, a result one by gohng to the basest politics I have seen in | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
any campaign in my life and politicians who took part in that | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
should be ashamed of themselves Both campaigns ran scare tactics. | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
The remain campaign came out with the project fear figures th`t we saw | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
in the independence referendum and the Leave campaign came out with the | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
lowest form of politics havd ever seen. The SNP warned against running | :59:31. | :59:37. | |
a negative campaign and we saw that it was counter-productive and a more | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
positive you are the better result you will get and we saw that in 2014 | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
and if they had run a campahgn like that and so the benefits of | :59:46. | :59:47. | |
immigration instead of runnhng scared from the benefits of | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
immigration at the time it was mentioned, then maybe we wotldn t be | :59:51. | :59:53. | |
standing here today discusshng what we are discussing. I would like to | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
concentrate on the possible impact on education thanks to this result | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
but first let me read a twedt that was sent to the First Minister | :00:03. | :00:09. | |
yesterday. Daughter graduatds on Thursday, internship with Mhlan firm | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
just cancelled, sole reason given, Brexit. That right there is the | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
reality of the vote. I would like to express my thanks to the prhnciples | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
of vice chancellors who madd unequivocal statements on the value | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
of EU students and their wider contribution to Scottish culture. It | :00:28. | :00:37. | |
is clear academic collaboration is still required and they will still | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
collaborate in the Erasmus plan and I congratulate him as being | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
appointed as the chair of the standing Council of experts. Sir Ian | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
Diamond from Glasgow has given his thanks to the contribution of EU | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
students and given a clear commitment to current students and | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
those set to join in the new academic year that any | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
constitutional changes made during their studies that affects tuition | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
fees will be financially provided for by the University. I also | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
welcome a positive statement made by the president of NUS Scotland who | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
said that Scotland's should not be ignored and it is crucial that the | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
UK Government work with all devolved governments to mitigate the | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
consequences. The EU students can come to Scotland to study, work and | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
make cultural contributions is a dynamic and multicultural society | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
and it should be applauded `nd not undermined. Scottish students cannot | :01:34. | :01:34. | |
make their mark across the TK. The European structural fund for | :01:35. | :02:00. | |
2014-20 has provided 940 million euros to invest the Scottish | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
Government's priorities. Thd horizon 2020 has contributed 217 million | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
euros into research and innovation. Like Wise the European soci`l funds | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
commitment to the Princes trust addressing disadvantaged through | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
team project, this project has been instrumental in providing stpport to | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
many young people in overcole ago range of challenges, lower | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
educational attainment, lack of training or a lack of confidence. | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
It's helped to assist in eqtipping over 4,000 young people with skills | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
to achieve their ambitions. All of these are potentially at risk | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
because of the unnecessary `nd damaging referendum and outcome I | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
alluded to the uncertainty created. I wish to congratulate the First | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
Minister for the way she's handled everything since Friday morning | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
since we knew the result. The Scottish Cabinet met on Sattrday to | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
take decisive action. Boris played cricket and Westminster fiddled I | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
agree it's vital to have ongoing discussions with stakeholders and | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
wish the advisory panel every success. In concluding my rdmarks, I | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
want to join the others in thanking the EU citizens here in Scotland, I | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
have a number of them in my own constituency and there's many in the | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
First Minister's neighbouring constituency. Again thank the many | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
educational professionals and experts who have given what | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
reassurance they can to EU students. I warmly support the Scottish | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
Government's efforts in tryhng to secure a continued involvemdnt in | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
the EU and of course the single market. But earlier I mentioned a | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
tweet by a mother of a young student, here is a second tweet All | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
future collaborations, exch`nges and internships for EU citizens across | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
the EU are under threat. Shd then asks us to retweet, I would say get | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
that message out there as soon as you can. These tweets say as much | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
about what a disaster Thursday's vote is for young men and women from | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
across the UK, not just Scotland, as anything I have heard or re`d. These | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
are the real life consequences of Brexit, not some ridiculous abstract | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
about taking back control. Not much control of the future for these | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
young people, is there? I stpport the motion. | :03:59. | :04:07. | |
APPLAUSE Two weeks ago my sister movdd to | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
Valencia. Spain is a countrx she fell in love with many years ago and | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
one she has since studied in, learned the language, soaked up the | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
culture and made many friends and now, like many Scots, has ddcided to | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
make her home. The kind welcome she has received has been wonderful to | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
witness. It is the same welcoming spirit which I believe the lajority | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
of people who have come to live and work in Scotland have also dnjoyed. | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
For those non-UK citizens who have come to live and work in our | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
country, and those who have married Scots and have made Scotland their | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
home, let us send out the mdssage today their contribution to our | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
economy and country is valudd and one we will work to protect. As | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
members will know I activelx campaigned in the Remain vote here | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
in Scotland and wanted to sde the whole UK confirm its membership of | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
the EU. I am very aware of the disappointment of many of mx | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
constituents across the reghon, including Edinburgh which s`w the | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
highest Remain vote anywherd across Scotland. Many of them have | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
contacted me as well as othdr MSPs since to express their regrdt and | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
concern at the decision takdn by the whole UK. But as a Democrat, I | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
accept the result of the referendum. This is what democracy is all about. | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
How we put our arguments to the people and the manner by whhch we | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
live by their decisions. It is now incumbent on all parties across the | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
UK and all nations within the United Kingdom to seek stability and work | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
towards achieving the best possible deal for the whole of the UK. While | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
the First Minister's immedi`te reaction to the EU referendtm was to | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
put a second independence rdferendum on the table, the constituents and | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
businesses who have contactdd me over the past few days have | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
overwhelmingly said that thhs threat of another independence refdrendum | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
is exactly the last thing Scotland needs at this point in time. And I | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
agree. We will now face critical negotiations that will determine our | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
new relationship with the countries that make up the EU the aim must be | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
to protect and maximise Scottish trade within the European Union area | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
and ensure continued access to our single market. I believe it's vital | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
that the United Kingdom looks at all options, including the economic - | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
the European economic area `nd that would continue to provide free | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the EU. Xes. I am | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
grateful to the member for giving way. Does he acknowledge th`t such a | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
proposition, even though it's not my first option, would involve a | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
substantial financial contrhbution along the lines of the currdnt | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
financial contribution to bding members of the European Union and | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
therefore gives the lie to those who claim that there will be ?340 | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
million a week to spend on the NHS? Yes, I would. We are actually at the | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
point where early negotiations would have to look at all of that. The EAA | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
model works well for Norway, Lichtsteiner and Iceland and that's | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
maybe where we will have to move forward on. Further, for our | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
European partners let us never forget they will always rem`in our | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
partners. This is as much in their economic interests to put together a | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
tariff-free trading relationship, for all our futures. Maintahning and | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
extending fair and non-discriminatory access to export | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
markets by negotiating new trade deals with a wide range of partners | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
will be essential to support many key Scottish industries. Securing | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
the best possible commercial environment for Scottish businesses | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
is vital, from the Scottish risk to the industry which represents 1 % of | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
all Scottish exports, to thd EU and also a financial services sdctor. | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
Edinburgh has been an international centre for banking for over 300 | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
years. The financial sector is of national importance with direct | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
links between Scotland, the City of London and other EU financi`l | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
markets. Britain has 2. 2 mhllion jobs linked to the financial service | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
industry with around 35,000 of those based here in Edinburgh alone. The | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
city remains the UK's second largest financial hub and this must be | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
protected and nurtured. I al particularly aware - I am rtnning | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
out of time. I am aware so lany young people backed the Rem`in | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
campaign and reassuring thel and working how we can guaranted their | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
economic future must be also a key priority. Young Scots want to have | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
the opportunities to work across Europe. Our young people take an | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
internationalist view and wd need to make sure that they have thd | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
opportunity to study, work `nd travel like before. I accept there | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
is economic uncertainty for many Scottish businesses, as we prepare | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
for a new Prime Minister, and as we prepare for a new Prime Minhster who | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
will formally lead these negotiations, I think it's hmportant | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
that we as a parliament set out a clear message and we send the | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
message out that Scotland is open for business. I believe we remain | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
one of the best countries to start a business and invest and we will | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
always have our greatest asset to attract investors and busindsses to | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
locate to Scotland, our people. In the coming days, weeks and lonths | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
and years our nations will face many challenges. Now is the time for us | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
to work to secure the best deal for Scotland and the United Kingdom | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
Thank you. The practical implications of the decision to | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
leave the EU are potentiallx massive. It will be weeks, probably | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
months, before the full scale of the impact emerges and already there is | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
great concern amongst busindsses large and small with all thd | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
implications that Haass alrdady highlighted. Brexit and its possible | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
consequences is creating genuine worry over the future viability of | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
some businesses in my own constituency. Within a mattdr of | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
hours of the outcome of the referendum I have been approached by | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
a senior representative of ` farmers co-operative with a annual turnover | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
of around ?40 million. To tdll me of their real worries. They employ | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
around 4,000 people across Scotland. Most on a seasonal basis but around | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
10% on full-time management drawn from all over European Europe. | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
Without their efforts the btsiness could not function. Soft frtit is | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
part of the success story that is Scottish food and drink and here it | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
is at best confronted by a very real uncertainty. They are presshng to | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
have concerns over future access to the workforce they're dependent upon | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
taken on board and are far from alone as businesses in the TK come | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
to terms with the horrific consequences of a decision Scotland | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
as a nation has expressed at the ballot box finds itself at odds | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
with. These are the potenti`l practical implications of Brexit. | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
What of the people caught in its crossfire? Some of the European | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
European folk who over the xears have come to work in agriculture | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
have ended up making lives there, bringing families, marrying Scots, | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
going to college to upskill themselves or gain qualific`tions | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
needed to bring education b`ck home to play to get better jobs. It's | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
become their home and after a campaign disgustingly domin`ted by | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
the issue of immigration and let's acknowledge this racism, thdy are | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
worried. It's not just people from European Europe. Browsing social | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
media I chanced upon a thought-provoking post from a | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
Dutchman. A health professional who happens to practise skills hn my | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
constituency. Because he spoke so eloquently and from a standpoint | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
view of us genuinely grasp let me quote what he said, I have lived in | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
the UK and Scotland since I came here from the Netherlands whth my | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
parents in 1979. I am about as integrated as it's possible to be. I | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
was educated here. I have a family here. I practise a good carder here | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
and I believe I krnt to the community in which I live, H speak | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
the language and I understand the culture and engage with polhtics, I | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
love the heritage and history and stunning scenery and the people the | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
warmth and humour and essential decency. The fact I am not ` British | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
citizen meant I did not ghetto a vote, I could watch and participate, | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
occasionally wade with bad grace into a Facebook discussion that | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
irritated me and grow alarmdd as the conversation slowly became lore | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
zenophobic. Ultimately I and others resident here did not get a chance | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
to influence the country. The conflict I felt and in the wake of | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
the vote to leave the EU fedl more acutely centres on the fact as the | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
referendum made immigration the main issue and framed the EU as pesky | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
foreigners imposing scheming ways on the UK I felt it was out of place | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
for me to intrude on your great national but internal debatd even | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
though the decision to leavd the EU will have us unclear but allost | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
certainly detrimental effect on my future in the UK. In the big scheme | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
of things my discomfort is no big deal. I don't know what rights I | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
will lose, what services I will have to start paying for, whether I will | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
have to go through a differdnt gate at the UK airport than my khds. Time | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
will tell. There are much bhgger things at stake. Soon when the UK | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
leaves the union the separation will be complete and irreversibld, we | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
will have lost common vision, the economic benefits of the market and | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
the framework that protects and the common endeavour to peace, `nd | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
workers and human rights. Against all that the blow to my identity and | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
sense of my own place in thd UK becoming more per-I have ald and | :13:44. | :13:54. | |
fragile important but - livd. I am not merely a res department in | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
Britain, specifically I livd in Scotland, that special part of the | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
UK that's shown by voting to remain in the EU that it doesn't bty in a | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
the cynical, petty, zenophobic Faragism of some of the othdr parts. | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
Nor does it seem to believe sovereignty, the ability to | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
determine yir own national `ffairs is incompatible from transn`tion | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
co-operation and inte gags with a small I. The make-up of the current | :14:21. | :14:29. | |
parliament shows the people share a optimistic and environmentally | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
responsible inclusive vision of society which is absolutely and | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
resolutely suited to providhng answers to the problems of the ist | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
century and stands in total contrast to the small minded nationalism of | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
the leave campaign. Whether it's in Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
Government's powers to keep Scotland in the EU or not remains to be seen | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
but a moment of shock and insecurity the First Minister said words that I | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
suspect a lot of EU nationals who have made this country their home | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
and certainly I needed to hdar. They want policy or even promises, they | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
can't possibly know what will be delivered post-Brexit but what she | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
reached in a spirit of generosity demonstrates why hope is not lost, | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
not just for European immigrants but for everyone who wants to lhve in a | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
progressive and inclusive country that is a fully committed p`rt of | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
the European Union. Colleagtes, a decision time tonight let's join the | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
First Minister in reaching out to our Dutch friend and others like him | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
and demonstrate we value thd contribution to Scotland th`t they | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
make just as much as we do our country's place in the EU. | :15:32. | :15:41. | |
Like almost every member of this Parliament and an overwhelmhng | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
majority of those who voted in Scotland on Thursday, this hs not a | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
position I wanted to be in. Scotland is and the European nation `nd the | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
people of Scotland have madd their views quite clear. They intdnd, we | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
intend, on remaining Europe`n citizens. We want to see thd | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
protections for workers, wolen, parents and the environment continue | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
to affect us. We appreciate the opportunities that freedom of | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
movement gives us, not just as a nation in need of a growing | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
population, but as individu`ls. We have no plans to leave the Duropean | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
Union and it is only right that we exhaust every option open to us in | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
pursuit of that outcome. Thd support that reaches across almost `ll of | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
this chamber today for such efforts will be welcomed by those that we | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
represent. These support, of course extends beyond the chamber `nd | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
across the continent. Senior politicians | :16:36. | :16:51. | |
from across the liberal, Conservative and green tradhtions | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
have all indicated a willingness to secure Scotland's future in Europe. | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
In the course of this debatd I received the following from the | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
co-chairs of the European Green Alliance in the European Parliament, | :16:59. | :17:00. | |
whilst it is clear that the majority of UK public have voted to leave the | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
EU, far greater majorities voting to remain in Scotland and Northern | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
Ireland must be listened to as well. The Greens in the European | :17:07. | :17:08. | |
Parliament are a strong supporter of the EU and will support exploring | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
all options to allow Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain hn the EU | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
as they have clearly voted to do. We still have a role to play in | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
reforming Europe and building on the successes and failures of the | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
European project. Huge challenges still face us as a continent, | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
challenges that we can only face together. 57,000 refugees stranded | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
within Europe and Greece and over 700 drowned in the last week of May | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
alone, trying to reach our shores. May was the 13th month on rdcord | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
where temperature levels were again broken. The result of that being the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
kind of extreme weather that only causes extreme | :17:47. | :17:58. | |
misery, not just those in Etrope, suffering from extreme flooding and | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
dangers and coastal erosion but to the many millions elsewhere who will | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
be left with no other option but to flee to our shores. Unless we take | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
collective action that will be a refugee crisis many times greater | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
than the ones we are currently failing to deal with. Whilst the UK | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
as a whole has clearly decided to take a different path that will make | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
it less able to contribute to tackling these crises, Scotland has | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
said that we intend to stay, to continue playing our part. One of | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
the United Kingdom may be hdading towards a Conservative government | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
far to the right of the one we currently suffer under, people here | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
have clearly said they valud the protections afforded to us `ll as | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
European citizens, protections from overwork and dangerous workhng | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
conditions, guarantees of m`ternity leave and equal pay for equ`l work, | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
and some, although not nearly enough | :18:40. | :18:59. | |
regulation of our financial sector. The work required to continte these | :19:00. | :19:01. | |
benefits and ensure that Scotland can continue to play our part in | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
Europe will be difficult. Wd are in an unprecedented situation `nd I | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
welcome the Scottish Governlent commitment to cross-party working as | :19:07. | :19:08. | |
well as the engagement of council experts. I am pleased to sed other | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
parties have already made more commitments but I do have one | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
specific request. Our young people benefit more than any other | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
generation from the opportunities afforded to them and to us `s | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
European citizens. The abilhty to live, work or study anywherd across | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
the European Union, schemes such as Rasmus, are not something the | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
Scottish people are willing to lose. I am aware of a letter from the | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
First Minister's opt -- offhce that has gone to the youth Parli`ment | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
which gives them a formal role in the discussions to follow. Given the | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
SNP's unit mandate to represent young people I believe this is not | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
just a reasonable request btt a necessary step and I hope the First | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
Minister will agree. Shortlx before this debate I addressed a r`lly | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
outside the parliament with hundreds of people assembled and thehr | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
message could not have been clearer. They expect us to do all we can to | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
exhaust every option to guarantee their rights to keep Scotland in | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
Europe and I am confident that we will do just that. It is no secret | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
which option my party prefer, one that we would have preferred, | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
regardless of the outcome of the referendum, but that takes on a new | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
urgency and its aftermath. H believe the only way to guarantee Scotland's | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
long-term future in Europe hs to put our future in our own hands, for | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Scotland to become an indepdndent nation. Whether the Conserv`tives | :20:24. | :20:36. | |
like it or not, the United Kingdom they argued for in 2014 and longer | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
exists. It is clear that thd arguments they made, that the only | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
way to guarantee EU membership was to vote no and that argument was no | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
longer applies. This UK is very different to last week and ht is | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
only right that the people of Scotland, if necessary and they want | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
it, once again make a collective choice about our future. Today is a | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
day for us to come together as a Parliament and look at everx option | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
available to us, and while H am very keen to explore options short of | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
independence, it would be rdmiss of me not to be honest about mx | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
position. I believe that an independent Scotland, with ` seat at | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
the European table, would provide the most opportunities for our young | :21:08. | :21:19. | |
people and allow us to play the greatest rock possible of f`cing up | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
to the well's crisis, and I believe with independence we can crdate a | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
fairer and more just and prosperous society that we all want to see | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
This week we begin a deeply uncertain process to clarifx | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
Scotland's future in Europe. We could still have the support of all | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
five parties in this parlialent if the Tories can bring themselves to | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
support the responsible reasonable proposals from the government. Few | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
of us wanted to be in this position today but we must work with what we | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
have got and we must do everything we can to respect the mandate of the | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
people in Scotland. We must keep in Europe. | :21:49. | :22:02. | |
The will of the Scottish people and that of Northern Ireland, London and | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
other parts of the UK must be respected in relation to our | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
position in the European Unhon. This will take time and we must dxpect | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
the European Commission to give respect to the complexities of the | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
negotiations ahead. We must not allow the EU leaders of othdr | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
countries to rush any exit process in a bid to shut down right,wing | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
arguments in their own countries, much as we understand the | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
complexities of that as well. This afternoon I want to focus p`rtly on | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
my brief of environment and climate change and highlight that wd need to | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
protect what is precious in our own legislation which has come from the | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
European Union. I asked the Scottish Government to consider environmental | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
protection in addition to the social, employment and economic | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
benefits in its motion todax. The Cabinet Secretary's evidencd before | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
the environment, climate ch`nge and land reform committee this lorning | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
gave some reassurance on thdse matters. Her explanation th`t the | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
Scottish Government's starthng point would be co-operation across | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
national boundaries, and of course regulatory bodies here in Scotland | :23:12. | :23:22. | |
would continue to protect us. She also commented that it was `bout an | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
understanding of our exposure. I agree with this. We must ask | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
ourselves what came from EU directives? Is the legislathon | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
devolved or reserved? What hs now enshrined in Scottish Parli`ment | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
legislation? EU directives `re not about bureaucracy or red tape, as | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
some in the league campaign would argue, this is about directhves that | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
were forged collectively to protect us all. The chair of the UK climate | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
change committee has said that Europe is about gaining sovdreignty | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
as it allows us to face environmental issues. Let's look to | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
see if we can, indeed, in some way retain the membership and those | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
benefits. As to the process, if it comes to it, of dissident whining | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
ourselves from Europe here hn Scotland, and whatever speed it | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
moves, we must argue that wd must fight against any moves to weaken or | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
repeal environmental protection The legislation from protect those in | :24:12. | :24:24. | |
our communities who are most in need of support, communities havd built | :24:25. | :24:26. | |
dislocated left behind. The ambient air quality directive identhfies | :24:27. | :24:27. | |
air-quality zones to tackle dangers to health from traffic emissions. | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
About 4000 people across thd UK still die of air pollution dach year | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
at the enactment of this legislation is better protecting people in | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
Glasgow and other cities across Scotland. The water framework | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
directive was introduced in 200 and transposed into Scots law as the | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
water environment and services act in 2003. And it has ensured the | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
quality of our drinking watdr and reggae sour sewage systems for the | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
benefit people and the environment. Scotland has a high quality water | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
environment that is important to our health and well-being and it | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
supports a rich diversity of wildlife and attracts visitors and | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
supports sustainable development of our economy. I also recall when some | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
of Scotland's beaches were not somewhere I would want to t`ke my | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
children but now, thanks to the implementation of the bathing water | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
directive I can happily takd my grandson to any beach here hn | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
Scotland without thinking twice The Marine protected areas enacted by | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
the Marine Scotland act, dud to international obligations under the | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
EU marine strategy framework directive that calls for good | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
environmental status throughout Europe's marine areas. The birds and | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
Habitat directive also calls for a network of protected areas. All | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
these EU directives have bedn instrumental in benefiting the | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
health of our seas, protecthng the livelihoods of those who fish in | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
them and those of future generations. On climate change I | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
would take issue with Willid Rennie. It is essential that we continue to | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
work with EU countries to protect present and future generations. | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
Scotland is, indeed, a glob`l leader, in the UK and the ET, and | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
globally we are at a time when America and China are presshng for | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
coordination. It is also essential that the range of funding that came | :26:15. | :26:28. | |
from the EU to Scotland is protected. In my brief, for example, | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
there is recent support for an offshore wind farm which received | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
?525 million from the Europdan investment bank, supported by the | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
European fund for strategic investments. It is the single | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
largest investment by the ET and brings with it many jobs in | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
Caithness. This kind of support as we transition to a low carbon | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
economy is essential, so let us make sure that we assess how we can | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
protect this funding for thd future. With 75% of young people voting UK | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
wide to remain, we have a responsibility to ensure th`t the | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
Tories kept open to possibld future membership of the EU. So many young | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
people understand the cultural, educational and social links and | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
opportunities that EU membership has brought. Many have been lucky enough | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
to travel or work in Europe or have the advantage of educational | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
exchanges and support such `s the Rasmus scheme and as was highlighted | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
earlier this is very import`nt for the future. Lewis Douglas wrote to | :27:24. | :27:32. | |
me yesterday to say that following the EU referendum on Thursd`y and | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
the United Kingdom's momentous decision, it will have a defining | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
impact on the future of where our country is going now. Most | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
importantly this decision whll have a defining impact on young people's | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
future. Unfortunately the 16 and 17-year-olds were denied thd right | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
to vote. I am writing to yot this afternoon to ask for your stpport to | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
ensure that young people's voices are heard. The Scottish youth | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
Parliament this afternoon h`s called on the First Minister to include | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
young people in the next stdps for this country, following the decision | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
to leave the European Union, helping to make our voices heard in shaping | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
our future. I ask the First Minister to listen to this play this | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
afternoon. Before I call Cl`ire Adamson can I remind members that we | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
are going to winding up and if they took part in the debate thex should | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
be in the chamber for winding up speeches. Can I welcome the First | :28:27. | :28:36. | |
Minister's statement this afternoon and also the revealing of the | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
setting up of the Council of experts which I think will be vital in | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
securing a positive outcome for Scotland in the months and xears | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
ahead. When we were discusshng Scottish independence in 2004 one of | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
the members of that council event, David Edwards, gave evidencd to the | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
European committee and in that evidence he said, personallx I hope | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
very much that an issue of `n independent Scotland with a place in | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
the EU will not arise, but the issue was important for the integrity of | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
the EU and also the credibility of its institutions. It affects other | :29:16. | :29:23. | |
countries as well. People are entitled to know, as far as | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
possible, where they stand. We find ourselves in a similar situ`tion | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
today. This is not what we would have wanted as a result of the | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
referendum but we have to ddal with those consequences. In the Scottish | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
independence debate we were hampered by not being able to get cl`rity in | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
some of these key issues so I very much hope that David Cameron's offer | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
to the Scottish Government to be included and be part of the | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
negotiations ahead will include that when clarity is needed from the | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
member state to approach thd European Union that that will now | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
happen at the request of our First Minister. | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
I am very, very disappointed that we are at this point because of what | :30:14. | :30:22. | |
seems to be the Conservativd Party's petty and ill-conceived jealousies | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
that seem to have been concdived in the Bullingdon club and that have | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
brought the UK to the brink of an uncoupling from the EU. It's a | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
tragedy worth of Shakespeardan epics. Our tragedy is that the Tory | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
Party have lost the plot. They have left a void in leadership and | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
Government at the most diffhcult time for our country but I `lso hold | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
them responsible for the social inclusion void, a vacuum in the | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
post-industrial communities similar to where I live and brass w`ut up. | :31:03. | :31:12. | |
Communities where hope and ,- where I live and was brought up. That | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
vanning home where the fears for the future, for fears for familhes have | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
been exploited and used by those bent on division and blaming | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
migration for the country's problems. Elaine Smith talkdd very | :31:29. | :31:37. | |
carefully about how these communities feel powerless `nd | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
disengaged from the politic`l process but no one has menthoned why | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
there is such a difference hn the Scottish vote in these | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
post-industrial areas than there is in the rest of the UK. Could it be | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
that the rest of the UK hasn't been protected from the bedroom tax? It | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
hasn't had its council rebate protected. The children havdn't been | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
protected through the educational maintenance allowance being | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
maintained. They don't have free personal care, free prescriptions or | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
free education. I hold the Tory Party culpable for that vactum | :32:11. | :32:17. | |
they've left in our communities APPLAUSE | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Presiding Officer, it was the closure of RavensCraig that brought | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
me to the SNP and on a principle of independence within Europe. I look | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
at my community which has sden a Government leave no stone unturned | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
to protect our steel industry and has successfully done in securing | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
liberty take over of the exhsting steel plants in Scotland. The rest | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
of the UK have seen leadership from the Tory Party that is based on the | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
market being all and I am stre that had Redcar, had Port Talbot had the | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
same Government fighting for them that we had in Scotland things may | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
have been so different in this vote. And that desperation of our | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
communities has been sickenhngly exploited and is evidenced by that | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
appalling breaking point poster that was released only a few days before | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
the election. So the blame should lie with those who are culp`ble | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
There is no pantomime villahn to blame for the problems in the UK, | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
although Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are making a good rtn for | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
it. This has been a great tragedy for our country and I was appalled | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
to hear the tale of one of ly constituents who received r`cist | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
abuse from someone who had frequented his shop for years, never | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
having displayed such sentilents, a family who work in our area, who | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
live, their children and grandchildren live in my | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
constituency. They employ pdople in my constituency, they fundr`ise for | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
food banks and for our hosphce. They were told to go home leaving the | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
expletives out. They are hole. That's what we should all rdmember. | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, I want to finish | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
with a quote from Michael Rosen our children's laureate. I am stre he's | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
taken us on a bear hunt in the past but this is from another podm. I | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
sometimes fear people think fascism arrives in fancy dress and played | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
out in the endless reruns of the Naz ies. Fascism arrive as your friend t | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
will restore your honour, m`ke you feel proud, protect your hole, give | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
you a job, clean up your neighbourhood, remind you of how | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
great you once were, clear out the corrupt and move everything you feel | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
is unlike you. I hope the whole country will reflect on those words | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
because zenophobia and racism are no place in any solution going forward. | :34:58. | :35:09. | |
Thank you. Six minutes or thereabouts, please. Yesterday | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
Angela Merkel hosted a meethng with Francois Hollande in Berlin to | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
consider the process of British withdrawal from the European Union. | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
The leaders of the EU have lost no time in confirming that a mdmber | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
state voting to leave finds itself immediately outside the tent. The | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
process of negotiation looks set to be very tough indeed. Even lore | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
visually striking was Europd's big three had also changed overnight. | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
The place occupied by successive British Prime Ministers was now | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
taken by the Prime Minister of Italy and they acted as if it had always | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
been that way. The message could not have been clearer, the world has | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
changed and so has our placd in it. 60 years ago, Anthony Eden plunged | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
Britain into the Suez crisis that culminated in his resignation. | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
Seeking in vein to maintain the British empire he hastened hts end | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
and changed our place in thd world. British foreign policy has focussed | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
ever more sharply on Europe since then until now. And the present | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
Prime Minister will go down in history for an equally momentous | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
decision. David Cameron's Stez was a referendum we did not need with an | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
outcome even he did not want. It is future generation who is will pay | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
the price of that folly if these Islands do indeed disengage from our | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
European neighbours. But th`t referendum has happened. Thd world | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
has changed. Today's debate has been about how we deal with that. What we | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
should not do is head straight for the trenches to fight again the | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
previous referendum. If the vote last week changed the world, so did | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
the vote in 2014. It's no longer credible to say well that w`s a vote | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
of Britain as a whole, therd is no Scottish angle because Scotland is | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
another component part of the United Kingdom. Not so. If this parliament | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
with their new devolved powdrs really is the most powerful devolved | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
parliament anywhere, it follows that we can and must take our considered | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
view of the implications of Brexit for Scotland's future. Labotr will | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
not support the Conservativd amendment today because it seeks to | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
rule out any engagement by the Scottish Government with thd | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
institutions of the EU as if such engagement was simply a matter for | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
the UK Government alone. Surely this is not the time to limit wh`t | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
options Scotland's devolved Government can explore. I al | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
grateful to the member. I agree with the general point he is makhng but | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
surely it goes further, the Scottish parliament is about to gain over the | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
period of this session powers that place our budget much more hnto | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
connection with the perform`nce of our economy and yet at prechsely | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
that time it's the UK Government which has taken the most wrdckless | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
gamble with the economy which will have a direct impact on spending on | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
public services here unless we act to protect them. I agree with that | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
but at the same time it's true to say that last week's vote does not | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
change the decision of the Scottish people in 2014 when we voted to | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
remain part of the United Khngdom. The question which voters in | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
Scotland were asked last wedk was whether the United Kingdom should | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
remain a member of the European Union and it is the answer to that | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
question which should guide what we do now. There are material changes, | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
of course. Many will wonder whether independence in Europe if Scotland | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
is in or without is less attractive than what was on offer. Manx will | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
leave a domestic market of 65 million is more precious if we lose | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
access to a single market of 50 million even if some think the | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
single market matters more. The First Minister has said agahn today | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
there are options to explord other than a second independence | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
referendum and we on this shde take her at her word. If she wants to | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
retain that credibility and cross-party support she will want to | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
contain the excitement of those of her supporters and even minhsters | :39:11. | :39:17. | |
who cannot wait for it and `ppear to have written off other options | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
already. Many voters will not want a referendum whatever the question | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
because recent weeks have rdminded us of how ugly, brutal and divisive | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
such choices on major national issues can be. I was glad she made | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
clear this afternoon that stpport for her motion is quite sep`rate | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
from the issue of independence, that clear distinction must be m`intained | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
throughout the process we bdgin today. We ask the First Minhster to | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
explore Scotland's options on behalf of this parliament for protdcting | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
the benefits of Scotland's relationship with the EU and our | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
place in the single market `ll of which we have secured over 40 years | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
as part of the UK. We want her to do that in consultation with other | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
leaders of devolved administrations in the United Kingdom, such as the | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
Mayor of London and we welcome what she has said today on that latter. | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
Other parties will also be `ctive in pursuing initiatives towards our | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
shared objectives. Kezia Dugdeal has spoken to the Mayor of London, the | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
and the chief Minister of Ghbraltar, all share our values and value the | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
UK's membership of the EU. There is a particular onus on the Government | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
to take these matters forward over coming months. We welcome the | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
presiding officer's assurance that the parliament stands ready for | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
recall if required this sumler to hear what progress the Government | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
has made and I look forward forward to the Cabinet Secretary addressing | :40:39. | :40:40. | |
immediate issues at the European committee this week. I hope in | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
summing up today the Cabinet Secretary will say more abott | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
exploring options other than independence and that she and her | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
colleagues will work hard to maintain a united approach. Only by | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
doing that can we give people here and elsewhere hope that the chaos | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
and crisis caused by David Cameron's referendum will not mean thd end of | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
our European story. APPLAUSE | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
Thank you very much. Eight linutes or theres about. This has bden a | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
passionate and deeply felt `fternoon of debate and so it should be. Few | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
decisions taken by an electorate have held such profound implications | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
for a country. May I begin by paying tribute to the voters in my | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
constituency who again achidved a record turnout in Scotland of 7 %. | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
And who together with voters in Edinburgh achieved the highdst vote | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
for Remain in Scotland and the th and 10th highest votes | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
representatively anywhere in the UK. My constituents voted to Relain As | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
with all but a handful of mdmbers I sought a different outcome `nd while | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
I accept the outcome across the UK, I share the dismay and frustration | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
expressed by the First Minister last Friday. There have been thrde | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
referendums since devolution and while I appreciate the First | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
Minister has been on the losing side in all of them, being on thd losing | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
side this time has been a ndw experience for me. There have been | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
some SNP lawyers this afternoon who have commended the First Minister on | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
the leadership she showed dtring the campaign and may I surprisingly join | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
them and congratulate her on the energy she brought to the contest, | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
both here in Scotland and in her participation in the UK refdrendum | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
debate. But I cannot help btt observe that the Scottish p`rty who | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
supporters apparently voted to leave by the largest percentage wdre those | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
of the SNP and perhaps the First Minister will reflect on whx so many | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
of her supporters ignored hdr advice and perhaps Richard Lockhead may | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
like to reflect on why nearly 5 % of his constituents voted to ignore | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
him. This was not a clear-ctt result in every district and every | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
community in Scotland. But dessia dug das deal has to reflect while | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
many Labour voters may have followed her advice in Scotland, by ` greater | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
margin they rejected the shocking leadership from Jeremy Corbxn, no | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
national leader has looked lore lacklustre smug or indifferdnt to | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
the result since last Thursday than he has. She can stew in her anger | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
against this side but she ndeds to boil on the shame of her own juices | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
over the complacent and indhfferent leadership shown by Scotland's | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
party's current UK leader at Westminster. In any event, H might | :43:21. | :43:28. | |
observe too in passing, as did e-Labour Party Smith, that to | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
proportional as this parlialent may be it did not reflect the b`lance of | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
opinion in Scotland and that's something for us to reflect upon | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
however awkward. The proposhtion I voted for last week and campaigned | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
for that the UK remain in the European Union no longer exhsts | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
That was the proposition on the ballot paper, it was not th`t I or | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
anyone else are to that matter vote for Scotland to remain in the EU | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
whatever the terms of the circumstances. I voted for Scotland | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
to remain in an EU where thd whole of the UK was an influential member | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
state. The First Minister in her statement last Friday reasonably | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
expressed her frustration, `nd to be frank, anger at the fact th`t | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
Scotland along with Northern Ireland and London spoke so differently to | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
the rest of the UK. She's elbarked on a strategy to explore all the | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
options open to Scotland. And has detailed these as she sees them in | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
broad terms the sensible and prudent. But if I had the vhews | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
expressed this morning however n the European Parliament by Jean,Claude | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
Juncker and the fact in the last few minutes the European Presiddnt | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
Donald Tusk has turned down the First Minister's invitation for a | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
meeting, suggests that it is not going to be an easy path forward. I | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
suspect that while the First Minister does no disservice in | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
exploring her options, the reality of a union based on treaty will | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
assert itself although I hope that my pragmatic pessimism provds wrong. | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
However, in exploring all the options and within hours of the | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
result, the First Minister confirmed she had instructed officials, it | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
seems almost before anything else and before anybody had digested | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
their breakfast, to prepare the way for a second Scottish indepdndence | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
referendum. Because as I listened with care then to the options as the | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
15s Minister detailed them, I did not hear advanced what many regard | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
as the Prost mob outcome and which surely the SNP must acknowlddge must | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
be a possible scenario, that Scotland remains in the UK `nd | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
outside of the European Union. It's not enough for SNP members to sit on | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
their seats and sneer and s`y this shows the true colours of pdople who | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
consider that. It is surely imperative in that scenario we not | :45:33. | :45:35. | |
only secure the best possible terms in our exiting the formal ET for | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
Scotland, but that in the ftture life of our country we ensure that | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
the policies adopted for thd areas of national life once again | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
determined in the UK are unequiffally designed to advance | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
Scotland's best interests. @t the very least this option should enjoy | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
a parallel status and frefrt the Scottish Government. | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
If they don't do that and they focus on the campaign for the next | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
referendum then the SNP risks undermining the Scotland influence | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
in the very negotiations and future planning that are taking pl`ce as | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
others conclude that the Scotland contributed are parted, half baked | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
and designed to undermine the deal available. I do not argue this would | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
ever be the intention of ministers but it could easily be the | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
conclusion of others less and liked it so we need to see Nicola Sturgeon | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
in the heart of London and not in Europe, we need her to work with the | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
Secretary of State for Scotland who she didn't mention in her statement | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
today, and all others to represent Scotland's best interests. We need | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
all of Scotland's Westminstdr MPs, with the First Minister didn't | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
mention today, to represent the Scottish interest and not those of | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
the SNP. We need to see and the voices in support of Scotland and | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
not just suffered the village and tweets in support of the SNP | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
belligerent agenda. Central to our interest is the access to the free | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
trade market that is so fundamental importance to employment. The result | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
last week doesn't change thd fact that the overwhelming majorhty of | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
our business is with the rest of the UK or the European Union and jobs | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
and futures depend upon it. Foremost in our minds wherever we live in the | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
UK should be the future of our young people. I know from my own home and | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
friends of my son is just how strongly they feel. It is not just a | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
media fantasy but rightly or wrongly many young people now feel that the | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
60% of our older generation who voted to leave have the opportunity | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
of the youngest generation who voted to remain. We have above all else to | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
show and give these young pdople help. Direct democracy has let them | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
down in a way ripped represdntative democracy would not do but we have | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
to offer them the opportunity to study and work across Europd and the | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
world as they would wish to do so and we need to facilitate this and | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
the potential absence of thd many schemes available currently within | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
the existing EU and welcome others to the UK in exchange. Just a few | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
weeks ago, and on all sides of this chamber, members spoke with passion | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
and commitment for the UK's continued membership of the European | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
Union. I argued I hope and believe not on the basis of why we should | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
not leave but why we should remain. I will always argue for the most | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
positive, productive and engaging relationship with Europe but now it | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
is necessary for us to meet the challenge few of us sort and we need | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
to meet it with steely purpose and with an agreed unity of purpose and | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
with a message of hope, howdver individuals may define it, our Judy | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
T is now to find the best rdsult for the people of Scotland. I whsh to | :48:40. | :48:50. | |
thank all of those who have participated in the debate today and | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
also echoed the First Minister's pride in the decision voters in | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
Scotland took to decisively vote in favour of Scotland and the TK's | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
continuing membership of thd EU Just reflecting on the contribution, | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
I think Jackson Carla does protest too much and it is about tile the | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
Conservatives face up to wh`t they have done. It doesn't behold him to | :49:15. | :49:27. | |
lash out to other people and other members in this chamber. Sole of the | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
members today have contributed about how they felt personally, as Willie | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
Rennie did, some about their constituents and how they fdel, some | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
have talked about the immedhate consequences of the referendum vote | :49:41. | :49:43. | |
and some about the nature of the campaign that was fought, and some | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
about the immediate aftermath. Many have focused on the result htself, | :49:49. | :49:55. | |
the emphatic 62% of Scots who chose to remain, but also I thought it was | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
a very passionate speech whdn Kezia Dugdale asked us to underst`nd that | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
in some places in some cases people voted to leave out of a sense of | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
powerlessness and a need for change, and we also have to think through | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
the consequences of that and Patrick Harvie was correct to identhfy that | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
there was space provided for division and fear and hatred to be | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
engendered and that has to be confronted and faced on in `ll of | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
our politics as we go ahead. Christina McHale be talked `bout | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
rights and respectful citizdns of the EU and many of the contributions | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
we have had today have talkdd about EU citizens living here. Thd Europe | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
minister visited two businesses yesterday morning in Edinburgh, | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
owned by EU nationals, to hdar first-hand why they chose to make | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
Scotland their home, and to make clear to them that their | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
contribution is valued, and right across Scotland employers | :50:55. | :50:56. | |
organisations and industries have been publishing messages and making | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
statements stressing the continued welcome for their friends and | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
colleagues. A professor frol the University of Glasgow State on | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
Friday that the university was founded in the European tradition | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
and nothing will change thehr international outlook. He told his | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
colleagues and the students from the EU just how much this University | :51:17. | :51:19. | |
values the contribution to the community and they are vital and | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
important part of the University. The head of NHS Scotland has stated | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
that he values the contribution of every member of staff in NHS | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
Scotland regardless of citizenship. The EU referendum has not changed | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
that. The principle of the Royal conservator of Scotland emphasises | :51:38. | :51:47. | |
that our EU people will be welcome. I think we can all agree th`t | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
however each of us voted th`t the Scottish Government has a | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
responsibility to provide reassurance to the 173,000 DU | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
citizens that have chosen to make Scotland their home and the First | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
Minister head of this debatd has already outlined the actions we are | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
taking to provide that reassurance. I met yesterday with many | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
ambassadors who have citizens living here and I underlined our commitment | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
to the interests of their chtizens and I think it is important that we | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
do ensure that welcome is known We have always argued in this | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
government about the benefits of EU migration and that is a consistent | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
part of our message and I w`s saddened and angered the wax some | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
used or seek to use in a wholly misleading way migration as a way to | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
encourage people to leave. Claire Adamson gave a clarion call in a | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
very powerful speech about how all of us going forward must face up and | :52:47. | :52:54. | |
face down that behaviour. Wd cannot express the Scottish Governlent | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
welcome more clearly than the First Minister on Friday morning. Scotland | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
is your home, you're welcomd here and your contribution is valued I | :53:01. | :53:07. | |
also want to emphasise that in my discussions with the ambass`dors | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
yesterday I told them about this debate and that it was a motion | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
about how approval to take forward and protect Scotland's interests in | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
the EU and that all options would be assessed, and they was not ,- that | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
we were not asking Parliament will support about the referendul. | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
Despite my disappointment in the UK result I want to stress agahn the | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
commitment of the Scottish Government in ensuring that all of | :53:34. | :53:36. | |
Scotland's interests and those of our citizens are protected `t this | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
most uncertain of times. Thd Scottish Government will take that | :53:41. | :53:51. | |
forward. We spoke about the economic aspects and some direct dialogue is | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
happening already about how to ensure that our business interests | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
are protected. We must also think about how we do it and who we do it | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
with. We spoke about the financial services industry in the city. How | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
do we expect the financial services in the city of Edinburgh to be | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
advanced without the opporttnity to engage directly, and I bear in mind | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
that the financial services commission has resigned. Although | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
there may be similar interests with the financial services in London, | :54:25. | :54:26. | |
there will also be different interests and it is very important | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
that we explore all options and we understand that. I want to turn to | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
Oliver Mundell in particular who said there is no need to julp to | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
hasty conclusions. In terms of our engagement, we are seeking trgent | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
talks with the UK Government on its plans for a withdrawal but H make it | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
clear that no one has any idea what those plans are. His perspective, to | :54:50. | :54:59. | |
wait and see is at best passive but actually worse is a completd and | :55:00. | :55:08. | |
utter abdication of responshbility. If you listen to the tone of the | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
Conservatives, both sides of remain and leave our acting and behaving as | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
they wish it hadn't happened. Our job and responsibility is to take | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
forward Scotland's interests and I will ensure that we have di`logue | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
with our colleagues across the United Kingdom. We have said quite | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
clearly that Scotland must have a clear role in the UK negoti`tion | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
and, indeed, the Prime Minister has confirmed that but we do nedd a seat | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
at the table and we can't h`ve a repeat of the situation of the last | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
year in terms of the negoti`tions and in terms of David Cameron's work | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
that we were locked out of. It is unclear how these developments will | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
be taken forward but I have met with the Secretary of State for Scotland | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
on Friday and I'm due to have a full call with Europe minister tomorrow | :55:58. | :56:00. | |
and it is important that we ensure that we have an opportunity to look | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
at all options but we must have a direct engagement to ensure that all | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
options can be explored with EU institutions as well as with the | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
United Kingdom. Many members have cited different arguments for | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
economic benefit from the ET, that the access to the single market the | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
valuable social and human rhghts, the importance of being abld to pool | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
sovereignty and look bigger issues such as global challenges and | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
tapping pollution and climate change and the refugee crisis. We don't | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
have to look too far back in history to acknowledge the importance of | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
corporation in the EU over complex. That is something we must always | :56:41. | :56:42. | |
remember. I am proud that this chamber the debate a month `go step | :56:43. | :56:59. | |
forward the positive case for membership, free from the fdar | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
-based campaigning we saw on both sides during the closing st`ges The | :57:02. | :57:03. | |
benefits will realise from our EU membership were as real last week as | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
they are this week and in voting to remain the people of Scotland have | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
recognised that and that is why the Scottish Government is commhtted to | :57:10. | :57:11. | |
be examining all options opdn to it and preserving its relationship with | :57:12. | :57:13. | |
the EU so these benefits can continue to be realised and we will | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
engage directly with Europe`n states and institutions and the UK | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
Government and I met with the Secretary of State, as I sahd, and I | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
am talking to the UK's Europe minister, and we continue otr | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
engagement in Brussels and other member states. If we are to advance | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
our interest in law and bushness and jobs and environment, we must | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
identify what the options are within the EU institutions and the member | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
states. In doing so we can build on the work of the European external | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
affairs committee report whhch was set out and I can reassure lany that | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
I will make sure opposition members and spokespeople are informdd. We | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
have the benefit in Scotland of taking this work forward with advice | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
and information and knowledge and wisdom from a standing Council on | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
Europe, as announced by the First Minister, to look at all thd options | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
that we can take forward in pursuing our interest. In terms of where we | :58:13. | :58:21. | |
are now, we are in a unique and unprecedented situation and we are | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
in uncharted waters and there is no obvious route forward but together | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
we must find a route forward and I am confident that we as a p`rliament | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
can work collaboratively gohng forward, taking all actions in the | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
best interests of Scotland. The people of Scotland sent us here in | :58:39. | :58:46. | |
our election a few weeks ago to represent us -- them and st`nd up | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
for their interests. We havd a clear responsibility and duty to work | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
together, not just across this chamber but together with the | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
experience and knowledge and wisdom of the standing council and beyond | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
to make sure that we identify, protect and advance the Scotland | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
interest in the EU. It is in that spirit and that intent that I would | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
urge members to think forward in the case of Scotland, not just where we | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
have been recently in this campaign, but where we want Scotland to be in | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
the future. We might not have a charted route forward but if we have | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
a commitment and a common endeavour and we have the interest of Scotland | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
clearly in our focus I think this Parliament, working together, can | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
achieve much in difficult thmes So I would urge all members to think | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
about the opportunities that lie ahead, the challenges that lie | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
ahead, be realistic about what they may be, but let's come together and | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
give endorsement that that work should and must take place. | :59:47. | :59:54. | |
That concludes the debate on the implications of the EU referendum | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
for Scotland. It is time to move onto the next item business. Aramid | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
amendments 44-68 and opposition amendment 181 relating to investment | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
relief. Klaus and 76 extends entrepreneur relief to external | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
investors in in listed comp`nies up in a 10% rate of capital gahns tax | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
accruing on the disposal of shares in an unlisted trading comp`ny. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Trades -- shares must be held by individuals b-day newly issted or | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
issued after the 26th of March 016 and be held by the investor for at | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
least three years starting from the 6th of April in the 16. A pdrson's | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
qualifying games are subject to a lifetime gap of ?10 billion. The | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
theory behind this relief w`s that it would encourage investment in | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
small business which would need | :00:52. | :00:52. |