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Scotland is also keeping an eye on the situation and I am happy to | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
arrange a meeting between him and the honourable gentleman to talk | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
about what more can be done. I would like to make a statement on | :00:00. | :00:19. | |
yesterday's European Council. This is the first bid since we decided to | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
leave the European Union. We wanted to ensure how we could have a strong | :00:28. | :00:37. | |
union. Let me touch on the other items in the agenda. The council | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
noted the very significant reductions in the legal crossings | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
from Turkey to Greece, as a result of the agreements from Turkey to | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
March. There is a determination to combat people smuggling from Libya. | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
Britain continues to play a leading role with HMS enterprise and I can | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
tell the house today that the house they will also be deployed to stop | :01:06. | :01:13. | |
the weapons going to terrorists. There was a presentation ahead of | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
the Warsaw Summit and they stress the importance of having to work | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
together with EU. EU residents will be able to travel with digital | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
content they purchased or subscribe to at home. The president of the | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
European Central Bank gave a presentation on the outcome of a | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
referendum. Private sector forecasts discussed included estimates of the | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
growth of the Eurozone between 0.3% at .5% of the next few years. One of | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
the reasons is the predicted slowdown of the British economy. We | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
were assured that they had been working with the banks for many | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
months to prepare for uncertainty. Our research oceans will continue to | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
monitor markets and act as necessary. -- institutions. The tone | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
of the meeting was one of sadness and regret but there was a decision | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
that the British people should be respected and we had positive | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
discussions about the relationship we wanted to see between our | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
parliaments. We talked a bit about the timing of triggering article 15. | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
While Britain is leaving the European Union, we are not turning | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
our backs on Europe and they are not turning their backs on us. Many of | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
my counterparts talked warmly about the history between our union. The | :02:44. | :02:53. | |
result about how the Royal Navy helped secure countries long ago. | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
Many of the countries of eastern and central Europe express the debts | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
they feel to Britain for standing by them when they were suffering under | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
communism, and for supporting them as they joined the European Union. | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Another president at the movingly about the desert he and I will be | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
making later this week to the battle of the Somme -- the visit. The | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
defence of the democracy and values that we share. The council was clear | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
that as we take forward this agenda Britain leaving the EU, which are | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
rightly wants to have the closest possible relationship we can in the | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
future. This should include the strongest possible relationship | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
between trains and cooperation, something that becomes more | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
important in light of these terrible terrorist attack last night. As we | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
and women the will of the British people, we also have the | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
responsibility to bring the country together. We will not tolerate hate | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
crime of anyone in our country because of their ethnic origin. I | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
reassured European leaders who are concerned about what was happening | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
in Britain. We are a proud multiethnic society and we will stay | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
that way. Turning to the next apps on leaving the EU, there was a lot | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
of reassurance that until we leave, we are a full member, entitled to | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
all the benefits from being a member. I explained that in Britain | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
there was great concern about the movement of people and the | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
challenges of controlling immigration, as well as concerns | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
about the issue of sovereignty. I explained how these had come | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
together. In turn, many of our European partners were clear that it | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
is impossible to have all the benefits of membership about some of | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
the costs. That is something that the next Prime Minister and the | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
Cabinet will have to work through very carefully. On the timing of | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
article 50, there wasn't a great clamour for Britain to trigger this | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
straightaway. They were one or two voices calling for this, but the | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
overwhelming view of my fellow leaders was that we needed to take | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
some time to get this right. Everybody wants to see a clear | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
blueprint in terms of what Britain thinks is right for the future of | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
the EU. As I explained in my statement on Monday, we are starting | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
this which will continue with a new secretary. Four. This will be | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
examined in a neutral way, setting out the costs and benefits. We will | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
examine exactly the right approach to take. The decisions that follow | :05:32. | :05:42. | |
from this are for the next Prime Minister. I don't think it is a | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
secret because Bill that I have at times found discussions in Brussels | :05:50. | :05:59. | |
frustrating. But we have had real growth. We have had sanctioned to | :06:00. | :06:10. | |
stop Iran getting a nuclear weapons, we have galvanised other countries | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
to take a lead on issues in Sierra Leone. We have shown how much we | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
have in common with other leaders in EU. It is a poignant reminder that | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
where we will be leaving the European Union, we were must | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
continue to work together for the generations to come. I commend this | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
statement to the house. I would like to thank the Prime Minister for an | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
advance copy of the statement. As he took part in what I assume will be | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
the last ever UK Summit, I was pleased that you check a more | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
consolatory tone than Nigel Farage did in the European Parliament | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
yesterday. As we negotiate our exit, the British people are relying on | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
the Government leading as positive a transition as possible. If we are to | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
achieve this, we must proceed in a constructive manner. I look forward | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
to joining the Prime Minister in the commemoration of the Somme on | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
Friday. He was right to secure support to tackle the bullock prices | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
in Sierra Leone, and the other issues you mentioned -- Ebola. | :07:27. | :07:36. | |
European leaders would have to offer the UK more control over | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
immigration. The threat of losing access to the single market means we | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
are already seeing a negative effect on businesses in this country. On | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Monday, the prime ministers that access to the single market without | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
accepting free movement was impossible. Does the prime Minster | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
now believe that Britain can negotiate an unprecedented deal? Can | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
he also spell out a little more clearly than his statement what | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
further discussions were held in this area? This is an issue in which | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
there needs to be an open debate that absolutely failed to | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
materialise during much of the referendum campaign. The Prime | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
Minister stated in the house on Monday that article 50 will not be | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
triggered until a successor is in place. I heard what he just said | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
about the views of other leaders at the summit. When does he expect | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
article 52 actually be triggered so we will know what the negotiating | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
timetable is? As I raise in my response to the Prime Minister on | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
Monday, we in the house have a duty to act in the national interest, | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
ensure we get the best agreement for all our constituents. Does the | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
permanence of the other without these structures in place in the | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
house to debate the alternatives, there is a risk of leaving Britain | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
in a state of the relatives in a time when people need clear answers | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
to their concerns? -- state of paralysis. We have seen today the | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
First Minister of Scotland creating her own separately go shooting group | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
and starting talks with the EU. It appears the Minister of Gibraltar is | :09:21. | :09:28. | |
doing the same also. -- negotiating group. What has the Prime Minister | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
done in this area, legal advice and overseas territory? I welcome his | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
commitments to the HMS enterprise in operation Sevilla. Last week's vote | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
to leave the EU means this country is in an unstable position. The next | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
steps we take must be taken with care as they are very important. We | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
have a duty to be shaped and rebuild an economy for the future, one that | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
protects social and economic rights and build policies on trade and | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
investment, delivers a country in which prosperity we create is shared | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
by all. Therefore, I urge the Prime Minister and whoever his successor | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
may be that what our economy needs now is a clear plan for investment. | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
Not further austerity and cuts to public services. That was put | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
forward by the Chancellor again yesterday. | :10:28. | :10:35. | |
At Birch home to look at the suspension and even termination of | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
his counter-productive fiscal rules. -- I urge the Prime Minister. I | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
thank him for his condemnation of racist attacks and I join him in | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
that. We all need to calm our language and tone and condemn the | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
rise of racism. Will he also reiterate absolutely his assurance | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
to EU nationals working here, providing support in the health | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
services and other sectors they are welcome and remain welcome for their | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
work and contribution. Our country is divided. We must heal that the | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
vision. Our economy is fragile so we must rebuild it. I duty is to move | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
forward in a calm and conciliatory manner to build a new relationship | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
with Europe and build a Britain that works for everyone in every part of | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
this country. But we thank the right honourable | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
gentlemen for his response. I -- let me thank. Constructive is the | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
correct word. I was pleased the discussions of last night did not | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
get off to a tour of EU countries demanding this set of actions and | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
Britain arguing for or another. There was a material and calm | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
understanding that we need each other and this negotiation must | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
proceed well. -- immature and calm. It got off on the right foods and I | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
will do everything I can, -- it was mature. I will do everything we can | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
to make sure we keep those strong relationships with our partners. On | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
the issue of immigration versus single market. He is right, this is | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
the biggest and most difficult issue to deal with. Whether you are in the | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
EU, as we have been, or out of the EU trying to secure the best | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
possible access to the single market, my answer was to bring in | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
the welfare restrictions I negotiated, which were incredibly | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
tough to negotiate. I am sad they have fallen away because of the | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
referendum decision. The next Government will have to work hard at | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
this and I believe access to the single market and the strength of | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
our economy is the most single most important issue to deal with. On | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
article 50, it is a matter for the next Prime Minister and there is a | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
good reason for that which is why before you go into the title of the | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
negotiations and that to your time limit you want to have made the best | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
possible preparations for what you want to achieve at the end. It will | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
help both Britain and the other EU countries to understand what it is | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
we're aiming for. They said not without notification but I do not | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
believe that excludes discussions the new Prime Minister can have a | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
partners so we continue to get off on the right foot so that is the | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
strong advice I would give to them. In terms of the devolved | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
institutions, I had discussions with the First Minister of Scotland and | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
Wales and Deputy First Minister in Northern Ireland and will continue | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
to do so. I want their voices to be heard. In terms of legal advice, | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
what I have seen is this is a UK decision made by the UK Government | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
and UK Parliament. It has to be done in that way. And what he said an | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
racism, I agree. To EU nationals here we should thank them for their | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
contributions and guarantee the right while we remain within the EU. | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
I am sure all contenders in the Conservative leadership campaign | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
will want to make clear they want to safeguard the rights of people who | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
work and study here from the EU for the future but that will be a matter | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
for them. Finally, what he says was suspending the fiscal rule. It feels | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
a bit like a broken record. Whatever the question the answer always seem | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
to be more spending, more borrowing and more debt. You don't get | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
investment on less you have economic stability and you don't have | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
economic stability unless you have a plan for dealing with your debt and | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
deficit. This has been proved the world over, including some of his | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
favourite countries like Venezuela and I would argue not to run down | :15:06. | :15:13. | |
that route. My right honourable friend refer to | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
trade and cooperation with the EU and we have always argued that from | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
the leave side. With my right honourable friend have further | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
advice because he is talking about a very precise blueprints and also | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
talking about alternative models. Will he give us the shootings that | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
any such models will be exclusively breast -- any such models will be | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
based on the idea we are leaving the EU? That is the case. The | :15:47. | :15:54. | |
reassurance I give them is not that there are only four or five | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
blueprints and we must follow one of them. We can try and amend | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
blueprints and have low weight loss, for example. That Norway. There are | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
some quite fundamental questions about whether you want full access | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
to the single market and the price you might have to pay for that | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
whether you are satisfied to have less than full access and therefore | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
have other compensating advantages. We must go through all of that and | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
the more we can patch facts and figures the more people can make an | :16:30. | :16:36. | |
informed choice. -- we can attach. Since the Prime Minister has | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
returned from Brussels, for the first time in 40 years member states | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
are still there and discussing the future of Europe. Well the Prime | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
Minister is not in Brussels Scotland 's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
and she has gone there to protect Scotland's interests in Europe and | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
preserve our place in Europe. She met with the president of the | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
European Commission and president of the European Parliament and also | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
meeting with one of the key European negotiators on Brexit, the former | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
Prime Minister of Belgium. The First Minister has also spoken to | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
diplomats from other EU member states. She is doing this with a | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
mandate from the Scottish Parliament, including the Labour | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
Party, Liberal Democrat and Scottish Green Party. An expert group has | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
been established to advise on protecting our place in Europe | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
including eminent diplomats, economists and constitutional | :17:37. | :17:38. | |
experts. This includes the former British branch in the EU Court of | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
Justice, former British ambassador to Nato, former economic adviser to | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
the EU Commission and former permanent undersecretary at the | :17:49. | :17:50. | |
Foreign Commonwealth Office and head of the UK diplomatic service. | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
All of us need to work to explore ways to protect Scotland's | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
relationship with the EU. Our place in the single market and the social | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
employment and economic benefits that come from that. May I ask the | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
Prime Minister whether the Prime Minister raised this at the Council | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
of ministers? Did he even raise Scotland at the Council of | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
ministers? Did he say Scotland wants to stay in the EU? Did he say that | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
Gibraltar wants to stay within the EU? BBC London wants to protect its | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
important position in Europe. -- did he say London? When will we get some | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
leadership from the UK Government will he stand by and watch England | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
leave the EU and England declare independence from the rest of the | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
United Kingdom? There is a meeting of the 27 other | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
members of the EU this morning and that was always good to happen if we | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
were going to make the decision to leave because as we must prepare our | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
negotiating position they will want to do the same. The good thing about | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
the conversation last night is it got off on a very fair and | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
constructive basis. What I would say to the right honourable gentlemen is | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
I am glad the First Minister of Scotland is having these meetings as | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
it is always useful to meet and talk with our European counterparts but | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
the best way we can secure the best possible access for Scotland into | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
the single market is for the UK to negotiate as hard as it can as one. | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
The answer specific questions about how I talk about Scotland the other | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
night, I did. I thought, this Parliament. The way we manage the | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
meeting was with the EQ on what happened in this house as I set out | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
what I thought the result of the election was and why. I set out why | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
I believe the UK's aims would be and how different parts of the UK voters | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
and all 27 other members spoke, many ask questions and at the end of the | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
dinner I answered all those questions, as I do in this house, as | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
fully as I could. A little bit of British parliamentary practice was | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
introduced and I think it is a good way of doing things. | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
Is very good for the European Council as well! Did I write | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
honourable friend reiterate to the EU Council that we do not have a | :20:28. | :20:36. | |
federal structure in the UK, we did not vote as different countries, but | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
as British citizens each with an equal weight. Decisions must be | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
taken by the United Kingdom Government and nobody else. Does he | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
also accept that such was the importance of free movement of | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
people in the referendum that any future deal reached with the | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
European partners that does include free movement would be regarded as a | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
betrayal by millions of people who voted to leave? I did emphasise that | :21:00. | :21:08. | |
it is a EU decision, but they will want to listen very carefully to | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
their various ministers and parliaments. As to this issue of | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
free movement of people, that'll be for the next prime miniature and | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
Government and parliament to decide, but I am in no doubt that this is | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
the difficult issue. Frankly, it is a difficult issue inside the EU, | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
where you have all the negotiations to try and change things. It will be | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
even more difficult from outside if you want a free access to the | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
market. But I was very clear to them that that was my reading of the | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
referendum result, the combined issues of control and sovereignty | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
over free movement of people. I said I was very sad about the result, but | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
the economic case were staying in was very strong, but if we want to | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
make it work, we have to listen to people and try and find a way | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
through this. I think the -- thank the Prime Minister for his | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
statement. I wonder if he is aware of a growing mood among heads of | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
Government across the European Union. Several ministers that I | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
spoke to yesterday said that given that three quarters of the young | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
people voted to remain in Europe, they should be permitted as much as | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
possible to remain in Europe, and what can be done to make sure that | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
they are allowed access to Europe up the Michael Brad above the rest of | :22:35. | :22:44. | |
us. Is he aware of the concerns who depend -- of those who depend on | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
payments from the EU. Can he make a guarantee today that British farmers | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
will continue to have direct payments to keep them in business as | :22:57. | :23:08. | |
from the U. On young people, I think he is right. People want those | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
opportunities to study and we will need to work out the precise nature | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
of the agreements, and what access we can have two them from outside of | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
the European Union. On the issue of funding, the European budget is set | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
at between 2014 and 2020, including the amount of money that goes to our | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
farmers. While we are in, those payments will continue and contracts | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
will be honoured, but it will be for a future Government to work out what | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
payments we should continue to make to our farmers. If it was me, I am | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
keen to have a living and working countryside, but a future payments | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
will have to decide. Does the Prime Minister agree with the unanimously | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
taken view of the Foreign Affairs Committee, that the construction of | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
Article 50 means that it is perfectly likely that they will be | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
no agreement on the other side of the negotiations requiring queue and | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
the of our partners at the end of the two years, and that that would | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
mean that we would still have access to the single market, but would be | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
subject to world trade organisation favoured terms, and since I would | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
mean there be no free movement of people and we would not be paying | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
into a budget, that would represent a perfectly sound bottom line for | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
the United Kingdom in the negotiations? Could the Prime | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
Minister... It is likely that other advances would be made on that | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
before we arrive at a deeper and compounds of trade agreement, could | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
the Prime Minister also just tell us about the fate of the British | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
presidency next year. We will study a full member, will be take up our | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
responsibilities? We will be hearing from him very regularly, but he will | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
have to be briefer than that. I did look at the foreign affairs select | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
committee report. While I am not fully liberated to say what I think, | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
I thought the conclusions were... Le I was thinking of it plays new to | :25:11. | :25:30. | |
Dagenham, but I won't go into that. If we leave the U, the tariffs are | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
something like 12% on clothes, 15% on cars, this is not a good outcome | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
for the United Kingdom. We will look at the foreign affairs select | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
committee as we get this unit up and running and look at all the Tanaiste | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
is -- alternatives, but I do not think that is a good outcome from | :25:53. | :26:01. | |
the United Kingdom. May I thank the Prime Minister Britain service to | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
the country, for his support for Northern Ireland and the Northern | :26:06. | :26:07. | |
Ireland executive through very difficult times, and also support | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
for the United Kingdom. I wish him all the best for the future. On the | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
issue of the summit, can you spell out again, not least to reassure our | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
European partners in Central and Eastern Europe, our commitment to | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
Nato, and that our European partners who are now speaking somewhat ill of | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
our decision last Thursday, should be reminded that the UK is one of | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
the main contributors to Nato, is a firm supporter of defence and | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
security, and that they should play a greater role in stepping up to | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
contributing to European defence, along with the Americans and | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
ourselves. In love this, the wider perspective needs to be at. EU is | :26:52. | :27:01. | |
important, but Nato needs to be borne in mind very strongly, | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
especially with regards to Russia. He is right that our commitment to | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
Nato continues. I think he is also right that our spending being 2% of | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
our national output is now responsible for a very large share | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
of the overall European commitment, and we should be encouraging others | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
to increase their spending. We need to make sure that our membership of | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
Nato continues and we are not disadvantaged by being in one and | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
out of the other. My right honourable and consistently made the | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
case for British car workers. He made his last appeal to the country | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
from Birmingham, which was much appreciated. Would he agree that | :27:44. | :27:53. | |
rich the key to protecting the hundreds of thousands of jobs are in | :27:54. | :28:02. | |
that market. Anyone who thinks that there isn't something of a | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
manufacturing renaissance in Britain should go to that Jaguar plant. | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
There are now 14,000 people there, a big rise, it is not just any factual | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
and assembly, it is everything. They are on hundreds of apprentices every | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
year, it is a magnificent car plant and it is something we want to see | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
more of. I think it is crucial to companies like bad that we keep the | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
European market open. That is always an alternative for them and I think | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
that draws into sharp relief the importance of maintaining a strong | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
access to the single market. There is obviously a different between | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
future free movement reform and the position of existing residents. The | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
Prime Minister said earlier that we could not confirm residency or | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
employment rights for it EU citizens who live here already, until the | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
negotiations are underway. Why? This is being exploited by off all go | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
home campaigns or repatriation campaigns, surely we should take a | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
firm stand against those and pass some swift motion Dorel legislations | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
or a new immigration rules in this House before the summary says, to | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
put an end to that regulation, provide reassurance to EU citizens | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
who may have worked here for very many years. I urge you to consider | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
theirs, because I think that the sake of community cohesion, this | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
would be wise. We will look very carefully at this. I have tried to | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
answer this as accurately and legally as I can, because as we go | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
into the figures shisha and, if we come out of it -- future | :29:53. | :30:02. | |
negotiation, arguing on figures or work permits for nationals to come | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
here, other countries might take reciprocal action against British | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
citizens trying to live and work elsewhere. Even if that were to | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
happen, I think the answer would be to ensure the status of anybody here | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
now, and we can say that while we are in the European Union, but I | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
think it is for a future Prime Minister to make that decision. I | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
readily understand that negotiations are going to be long on economic | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
issues, but the last few years have seen a big improvement in terms of | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
our cooperation on matters of security, both those formal and | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
informal meetings. I can see that that should be much of a wait and | :30:49. | :30:57. | |
negotiations peace. Surely it makes sense to make sure that those | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
meetings continue, both in terms of dealing with terrorism, but also | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
dealing with economic crime. I think my honourable friend puts it well. | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
The counterterrorism group of countries, mostly European Union | :31:15. | :31:22. | |
countries, this is a group that is meeting, but there are also a number | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
of growing mechanisms within the EU, the watch lists for people | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
travelling between European countries, some of which are bound | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
up very much in EU laws, but people can make that or not, but they | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
exist. We need to work on maintaining access to as much of | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
that as possible in terms of national security. Could the Prime | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
Minister explained to the millions of people who voted to leave, why we | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
await a new Prime Minister in the next few months? All the | :31:59. | :32:06. | |
professionals start talking and negotiating informally perhaps with | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
Canada, Australia, Malaysia with all those other countries who would be | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
desperately keen to sign up to a trading agreement? Why can we not do | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
these things? If we are still paying our full amount into the European | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
Union, are we still going to have two side every single directive that | :32:26. | :32:35. | |
comes during the next two years? On Australia, Canada, Malaysia, of | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
course we can start those conversations. I think it is | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
difficult to start full on trade negotiations, because until you know | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
the relationship between Britain and the European single market, it is | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
difficult to get into big discussions. We have to be very | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
clear, we pay into the European Union and that continues until the | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
day we leave, and therefore we have to obey the rules and laws, just as | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
we would expect just other European Union countries to do, with respect | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
to us. In terms of decisions that need to be made right now, there are | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
those that have to be made legal and practical reasons. There may be some | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
decisions that can be put up a month or two, order to have a new | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
Government who can think about them in the context, but I don't think we | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
should do anything to break the law. Whilst we are naturally focused on | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
our future role in Europe, have friends in the Baltic nations are | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
concerned about their immediate risks across the border. These are | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
both military and things like cyberspace, as my right honourable | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
friend knows very well. Is he satisfied that that can be done is | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
being done within Nato and the European Union, to stand by our | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
friends? I think enough is being done. We have the Warsaw Summit | :34:00. | :34:08. | |
coming up, we'd be playing a big role, and making sure that military | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
presence is in Latvia and Estonia. We will be playing our part and the | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
Americans will be playing bears. It is important we keep up that we | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
assurance, because that is the key thing for that Britain helps their | :34:21. | :34:29. | |
security. I was at the protest last night outside the House of Lords. I | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
have to report that I did not see the Prime Minister had their, so I | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
can tell and that the most popular chants that was repeated over and | :34:41. | :34:49. | |
over was Eton Mess, Eton Mess. Most of those people were young, because | :34:50. | :34:57. | |
most of the people who benefit from the EU are young. What can the | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
future Government do to make sure that that funding or similar funding | :35:04. | :35:04. | |
is secured? I was because I was in Brussels at | :35:05. | :35:14. | |
the time and while I am all for having your cake and eating it I | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
have not worked out how to be in two places at once. I have said what I | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
can about funding for universities. It is important we continue to get | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
it through the EU while we are a member and afterwards we will have | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
to make decisions. He and I have to be frank with each other that Wales | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
actually did not vote to remain within the EU in spite of the fact | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
they are a net beneficiary, Welsh farming does well out of Europe and | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
the steel industry would do better in that out. I take my share of | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
responsibility we lost but we all must think about, even now we are | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
leaving, make better arguments about how we can remain as engaged as | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
possible. Can I thank the Prime Minister, not | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
just for his statement today, but for all his work he has done over | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
the past six years to protect UK interests when attending these | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
European union Council meetings. With respect to the meeting | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
yesterday, that my right honourable friend detect any regret on the part | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
of other EU leaders that they do not make more concessions when he sought | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
to renegotiate terms of membership? That is a very good question and I | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
am quite keen to answer it. The sensible thing the European Council | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
was they had bent over backwards to give a country that already had a | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
special status out of the euro and out of the Schengen system, things | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
they found profoundly uncomfortable. Many of those countries do believe | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
in Iraq. Political union, however wrong we think is. -- believe in | :36:59. | :37:05. | |
ever closer political union. The dislike having to agree to cut | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
welfare benefits for their own citizens because that is what they | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
signed up to do. -- the best light. I believed and will always believed | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
it was good negotiation, it did not solve all of Britain's problems but | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
address some of the biggest concerns the British people hands and I would | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
say I always want to know if there is more that could have been done | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
what the strong sense I get is this issue of pool access to the single | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
market and reform of free movement is very difficult. We achieve some | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
free movement of reforms but the idea there is an enormous change to | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
freeze movement, particularly from outside the EU, is a very tough call | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
and we must think it through very carefully. -- change to free | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
movement. It was a referendum on the | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
membership of the EU and not the single market. Given the grave | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
damage already done to our economy because of uncertainty would he call | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
on all of those in this house to aspire to lead this country too, to | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
keeping Britain within the single market with full access. | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
The right honourable gentlemen makes an important point. This is one of | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
the key arguments. When I examine why I have always believed we are | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
better off in even though I wanted to see reform, it always came down | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
to the single market, we're in it, it will go on existing even if | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
relieved and profoundly affects our economic and business and national | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
life. -- even if we believe it. I would urge my colleagues to aim for | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
the greatest possible access but they will have to think about the | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
benefits and drawbacks of that. Does the Prime Minister except when | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
negotiating we should remember many strengths? One of the strongest | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
economies, many competitors are advantages which would more than | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
compensate for any tariffs which the WTO will ensure cannot be punitive | :39:10. | :39:17. | |
and while nations around the world, including Australia and New Zealand, | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
are already knocking at our door with regard to trade deals? | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
No one is more impressed I the strength of the British economy than | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
me. It is strong, many advantages, many key industries that are admired | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
the world over. We have recognised it will be a hard and difficult | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
negotiation in many ways because we are negotiating with a block of 440 | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
million people but we should certainly make the most of our | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
strengths. I would avoid Paris. The IDF had paddocks can be compensated | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
for in other ways is dangerous top. -- outward avoids tariffs. Companies | :39:54. | :40:01. | |
that come here do not want to pay for the Mac. | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
The campaign undoubtedly made totally false pledges and they have | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
been cordial exposed. Coming back to the issue raised on a number of | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
occasions today does not some of the responsibility for the result light | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
with the EU leadership and the way in which they show no flexibility | :40:23. | :40:30. | |
whatsoever over at issue, certainly in my constituency, the issue of | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
free movement of labour. EU law that not come about with the Ten | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
Commandments. National debt not come down. For | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
once I have some great sympathy with the honourable gentleman. That is | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
why I took aim at this issue by saying people who come here and work | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
but not get full access to wealth for four years and that addressed | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
the constituents, both main and his,. It is important EU countries | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
see the single market insisting not only of the free movement of goods, | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
people, services and capital, the CNN bound together but also the CD | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
single market -- the CNN bound together. Basically payments | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
countries make into the EU to strengthen the weaker members. One | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
can try and negotiate amendments to this but we must think about that | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
mindset as we going to the negotiation. | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
The Prime Minister will be aware of the North Hertfordshire voted to | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
stay in the EU. Many of our businesses rely on the single market | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
and many of my constituents work in London in insurance, financial | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
services, legal work. Does he agree that part of this negotiation must | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
be about the passport arrangements, which enable the service interest to | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
do so well and I do not know if it was mentioned at the European | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
Council, what can I thank him for everything he has done. | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
I thank my right honourable friend for his remarks. The is your | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
passport will remain very important. Financial services are 7% of our | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
economy, we are at the financial centre for Europe, 40% of financial | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
services in Europe and we will be strong in that area whatever the | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
outcome but it is undoubtably through the passport does help | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
British firms and it helped the country's firms come to Britain. One | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
of the reasons the Swiss banks are here is because they do not get | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
passport right in Switzerland and so this should be a very important | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
feature and is one of the issues about what single access actually | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
means. Could I thank the Prime Minister for | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
all his efforts. Does he agree with me and fully recognise the very | :43:02. | :43:03. | |
difficult position in Northern Ireland is now an? Be voted to stay, | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
we want to stay yet we are hostage to the mistakes of others who were | :43:10. | :43:17. | |
misled by false promises. On funding for NHS and a lorry loads for | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
farmers. Does he recognise Northern Ireland have to open up | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
opportunities to protect the interests inside a closer | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
relationship with Europe and has he had time to give thought to how the | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
settlement of 1998, the Good Friday agreement, is undermined by the | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
dismantling of much of the legislation that hinges on the EU. | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
We will look at the specific questions you raise is costly and | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
that is something others in Westminster and Northern Ireland can | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
start on. -- the specific questions he raises. We want the closest | :43:54. | :44:01. | |
possible cooperation with the Government of Northern Ireland. They | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
made a moving statement last night our how we have been fighting each | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
other at 1169, I have not checked my dates. He then went through... You | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
are nodding so I guess that is right. He then went through some of | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
the key elements of the conflict in which I'm sure relatives of mine | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
were probably involved. He said he is very proud that today relations | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
between Northern Ireland and the UK have never been stronger and we must | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
not let that go. We must -- my constituency is home | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
to a number of manufacturing and technology businesses which play a | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
major role in our local economy. What reassurance can the Prime | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
Minister give this trade will continue to grow, not the least of | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
Warwick's very strong vote to be means? -- renamed. -- remain. | :44:53. | :45:03. | |
This comes back to access the single market. Nothing changes for the next | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
two years at least while the negotiation carries on but we must | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
make sure by the end of that article 50 process we have this access is | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
properly set up so our manufacturers know what they are doing. | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
Can I thank the Prime Minister strong condemnation of the racist | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
attacks on members of the Polish community and community and others | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
and also paid tribute to him for the respect and commitment he has | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
showing to Britain's ethnic minority community or the last six years and | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
also creating the most diverse administration of any Conservative | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
Prime Minister history. In respect of yesterday's summit, was that a | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
discussion of the comments made by the mail of Calais or the French | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
economy Minister that the juxtapose the borders be taken out of France | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
and returned to the UK? Does he agree with me that this is a deal | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
made between Britain and France and has nothing to do with the | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
referendum? Let me thank him for his comments | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
about my support for Britain's ethnic minorities and the diversity | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
we see on these benches. That has been a very important change in | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
politics. We did not discuss last night the juxtapose border control | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
issue not not the remarks of the Mayor of Calais. My view this -- my | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
view is this is a treaty between Britain and France and we want to | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
keep it. I don't take back anything about what I said about the risks | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
during the referendum campaign so we need to redouble our efforts to | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
secure this. Can the Prime Minister from 100,000 | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
migrants is about the maximum number of people that they are willing to | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
accept at the moment, especially outside London and the Home | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
Counties? I would not put it like that. The | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
point I have always made is we should have a sense of the net | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
migration. In it more than advanced countries like Britain you have | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
often well over 100,000, many hundreds of thousands, British and | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
EU nationals here moving to Europe or elsewhere and European nationals | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
coming here. I think measuring the next number, which is obviously | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
imprecise and difficult because people leave for all sorts of | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
reasons if he good way of measuring pressure on public services. -- next | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
number. If you go back to 2008 the number of people leaving the UK and | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
the number of people arriving, it was actually a little negative. But | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
it's like was on this net migration issue. You should measure the | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
overall numbers because the ghost movements can be much better than | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
the net figure at the end. -- gross movement. But he recognised | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
the river becomes elected Prime Minister will have no mandate to | :48:00. | :48:06. | |
negotiate on behalf of the people. Not least because they failed to set | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
out any indication of what a post on Brexit UK would look like and | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
therefore we should have an early general election? | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
I believe the new Prime Minister and Cabinet should draw up their | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
negotiating mandate done over -- on their work done over the next few | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
months and then bring it here and defend and explain it in this house | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
and that seems, to me, the right way forward. | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
The formal negotiation will start with Article 50 is good but with the | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
Prime Minister agreed at our first piece of negotiating 11 which is | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
when we decide to trigger article 50 and there is no reason, legal or | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
moral, to do that until we are ready and we have sight, month by month, | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
what will happen in the following 24 months after it. | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
My honourable friend is right that it is a British decision went to | :49:06. | :49:12. | |
trigger article 50. -- went to trigger. It is important to | :49:13. | :49:14. | |
recognise our European partners have concerns too. Our current economic | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
problems and make up more of also affect them. The Dutch Prime | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
Minister said to me he thought his growth rate would be a material | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
affected -- materially affected by the onset in Britain. Given | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
negotiations are hard work and hard graft and also rely on good will you | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
do not want to put too much of that good will risk in terms of how you | :49:40. | :49:40. | |
proceed. With a future trading position | :49:41. | :49:51. | |
completely unknown, with the unity of the UK itself under threat and | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
appalling racist attacks happening on our streets, does the Prime | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
Minister not agree that as a response to the referendum, the | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
setting up of a unit in the Cabinet Office under the member for West | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
Dorset is simply not up to the task, in response to what is the greatest | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
change in Britain's position in the world since the end of the Second | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
World War. I agree with him on the issue of racist attacks. We need to | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
take urgent action. In terms of the steps we need to take, there is a | :50:27. | :50:33. | |
limited amount you can do before a new Prime Minister and new cabinet | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
arrived, but you shouldn't belittle that because a lot of this is cold, | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
hard facts about what the benefits are, and there is a world of | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
difference between the referendum campaign with the leave side were | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
building all sorts of things that went with the hypothetical state | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
issue -- offering, and that is something that needs to happen and I | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
think the mechanics we are putting in place will help that to happen. | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
The Prime Minister said that we are entitled to all the benefits of | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
membership until the points of which we leave. Can I clarify if there has | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
been any discussion about access to funding, like the funding to | :51:14. | :51:21. | |
Glasgow, which has created 10,000 jobs. The long-term conditions of | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
loans issued under the European investment bank, which were worth | :51:26. | :51:33. | |
significant amounts of money. All I can say is that any contracts | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
entered into before Britain leaves the EEA should be honoured in full, | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
in terms of EU funding for research or regions of our country. The state | :51:43. | :51:51. | |
as we have with respect to the European investment bank, but we | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
will look at that now to see what the options are. Vote Leave are so | :51:57. | :52:05. | |
confident of delivering on their overblown promises that they have | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
recently wiped much of their website and removed the key claims that they | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
have made during the campaign from it. I disagreed with many of the | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
claims made, but does the Prime Minister agree with me that the | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
public will never forget vote Leave politicians that form part of the | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
new Government if an outbreak those pledges? There will be no hiding | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
place from being held to account on those promises for the next | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
Government. One thing we all experience and share in this House | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
is that when we make commitments and promises, we are held to account for | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
them. At these dispatch boxes and accounts in a way that is often more | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
direct and brutal than other democracies. I say, long may that | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
remain the case. Kiwi negotiations will clearly be difficult and take | :52:59. | :53:09. | |
some time -- the renegotiations. But one place we need to take action now | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
is improving jobs, infrastructure in our market towns and coastal areas, | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
where many people think they haven't seen the benefits of growth. Can I | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
ask the Prime Minister to work with local council leaders to make sure | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
the devilish and deals being struck across the country deliver for these | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
areas and not just our great leisure polities cities? -- devilish and. | :53:33. | :53:45. | |
They help address the issue of immigration, but they also offer | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
hope to our regional economies, not just our city economies. We should | :53:53. | :54:00. | |
continue with all these devolution deals. We will continue at that | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
work. The Prime Minister of Northern Ireland voted to remain within the | :54:06. | :54:18. | |
European Union. My constituency depends on free access to goods | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
services. That essential access to markets where 46% of what the | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
exploit and import comes from the south of Ireland -- export. Our | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
economy depends on the European Union. How can that be guaranteed? | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
The... In Northern Ireland was very strong, not least respecting the | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
fact that the party of the First Minister wanted to leave the | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
European Union. It was a very strong statement. But I would argue that | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
all the constituent parts of the United Kingdom need to make their | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
voice heard, and I think this process over the next few months are | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
drying up the different blueprint is an important opportunity to | :55:05. | :55:06. | |
influence the debate in this country and Europe, about what the outcome | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
should be. The example she gets about border trade in Northern | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
Ireland is a good example to inform this debate. British troops are | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
currently on the Polish Ukraine border taking part in the largest | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
military exercise since the end of the Cold War. He has committed 1000 | :55:26. | :55:37. | |
British personnel to participate in aggression. Can I urge him to use | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
his final appearance as a Nato Prime Minister on the eighth and ninth at | :55:43. | :55:50. | |
the Warsaw summit, to continue to press sanctions against Russia. I | :55:51. | :55:58. | |
think the honourable lady is absolutely right and we have done a | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
lot to reassure the Polish and Baltic friends and allies. That is | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
why the troops are taking part in this exercise. We had taken a | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
leading role in this Nato conference and we will make sure that we | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
provide visible troops. Eyes will be stationed in Estonia, America, and | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
other countries will be taking on the other Baltic states, so that | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
people can see, when they look over these borders, they don't just see a | :56:25. | :56:31. | |
stony and Latvian troops, we see French and British and American | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
troops. Several weeks ago, and the lead up to the referendum, I asked | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
for a personal commitment from the Prime Minister for the city of | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
Dundee and the surrounding areas. He gave that full commitment. Since | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
that referendum, we have heard comments from the Secretary of State | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
for Scotland that that may now be in doubt due to a Tory new leader. Can | :56:53. | :56:59. | |
I have the assurance that the city deal will be delivered in terms of | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
funding, regardless of who will be the Prime Minister in the near | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
future? I can't bind the hands of my successor, but I will say to any of | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
the candidates that the city deals have been a great success throughout | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
the United Kingdom and I think it has been quite a marked thing that | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
although Scotland now has a powerhouse parliament, they have | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
been popular and successful where they have been tried in Scotland, | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
and I will make sure that is clear. A Canadian style free trade | :57:32. | :57:32. | |
agreement clearly would not be the agreement clearly would not be the | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
best possible deal for our country and I think it is pretty | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
irresponsible but some of the leading leave campaigners to suggest | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
in the campaign that that was somehow a good alternative to our | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
membership. But isn't it also clear that from what are European leaders | :57:50. | :58:00. | |
said yesterday, that F we prioritise stopping... We want have the same | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
access to the European free market. The parameters of the choice are | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
actually clear. I can add to that point by saying that one of the | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
things in the meeting, it is worth pointing out that the Canada free | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
trade deal is not yet agreed and there are countries in the EU that | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
are getting very nervous about free trade deals. I happen to think they | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
are wrong, but that is worth bearing in mind. What she says about access | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
to the free market, if that is the most important thing, there are | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
trade-offs that you have to consider and that is certainly the way I | :58:39. | :58:39. | |
would see this because she Asian. A year later they voted in a second | :58:40. | :58:59. | |
referendum to accept that and the finer European traditions of keeping | :59:00. | :59:02. | |
voting until you get the right result. We know that many millions | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
of people in this country felt that they were deceived by the | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
exaggerations and the lies in the campaigns of both parties and they | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
now feel themselves cheated by that result and millions of people have | :59:18. | :59:20. | |
protested. Isn't it right that we look again at the possibility of a | :59:21. | :59:27. | |
second referendum in this certainty that all second thoughts are always | :59:28. | :59:33. | |
superior to first thoughts? I think we have to accept the result and I'm | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
certainly not planning a second referendum. What we have to focus on | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
is get the closest possible relationship between Britain and | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
Europe. We can start the work in shaping that debate and I think we | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
can start that debate right now. And getting a bit bored with this lame | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
duck attitude that the Prime Minister is giving us. Take control, | :59:57. | :00:02. | |
man! We could be passing emergency legislation to make it absolutely | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
clear that every EU citizen who was living in this country now is | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
entitled to live here and stay here into the future. That would stop | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
some of the horrible campaigning that is already happening around the | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
country. You could set up a Royal commission to make sure we bind | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
together as much of the country as possible. To start creating a | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
consensus for what we should be lobbying for as our best deal in the | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
future. Why doesn't he take control? I thought that is what it was all | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
about. I have never believed you take control or take rapid decisions | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
by setting up a Royal commission. They take minutes and the last four | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
years. That is what would happen in this case. I will look very | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
carefully at all these issues of how to reassure EU nationals that are | :00:53. | :01:01. | |
here. Frankly, he and his colleagues have got something they need to take | :01:02. | :01:10. | |
control of, and it is their party! It is a topsy-turvy world. I have | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
never felt greater support from my party and I am leaving, and I have | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
never seen an opposition leader with less support and he is staying. As | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
someone about to enter the political graveyard, perhaps I could misquote | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
my favourite band and say, let's meet at the cemetery gates. A farmer | :01:30. | :01:41. | |
in my constituency is thinking of emigrating, the possible stopping of | :01:42. | :01:58. | |
CAP payments. Can he reassure me that the possibility of CAP payments | :01:59. | :02:10. | |
will continue? The CAP payments will continue as far as our contract | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
lasts. The new Government will decide the payments it wants to make | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
two Scottish farmers. When the Prime Minister got back from Brussels last | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
night, was there any message from a member from Uxbridge about where to | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
find the Riyadh and ?50 million for the NHS? -- 350 million. It was | :02:35. | :02:46. | |
pretty late and there wasn't much time for anything. I don't really | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
think the Prime Minister fully appreciates that when we negotiated | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
the Good Friday Agreement, the common membership of the EU was | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
taken as a given and was in the fabric. At the core of that | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
agreement is the principle of consent. Now the people of Northern | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
Ireland feel that they are being dragged out of the European Union | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
against their consent, as expressed when they voted for the Good Friday | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
Agreement. 78.2% voted to remain in my own constituency. It isn't enough | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
for the prime ministers to say now that the negotiations will sort | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
things out for us. It is clear that English politics do not have a sat | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
nav or a map for what is happening, and now he is telling us that we had | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
to tailgate to where it the prejudice in English politics drive | :03:38. | :03:46. | |
us next. I totally understand the honourable gentleman's passion about | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
this and he and I were on the same side, but my reading of the history | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
of this was different, which is that the Good Friday Agreement, based on | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
the principle of consent, was that the United Kingdom would continue | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
and Northern Ireland would be part of that United Kingdom. This is a | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
sovereign decision for the United Kingdom, now the job of the United | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
Kingdom Government is to try to get the best possible because she Asian | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
for Britain's place, and therefore Northern Ireland's Place -- | :04:17. | :04:26. | |
negotiation. Britain's European Commission earner has decided to | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
step down. As the Prime Minister any plans to appoint somebody, if only | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
on an interim basis? Yes, I think we should appoint a new commissioner, | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
we pay our dues in full. I discussed this yesterday with the president of | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
the commission and we hope to come forward with a nominee shortly. Mr | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
Speaker, as the proud son of Irish immigrants, who encountered those | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
signs, no dogs, no Irish, we once again see fear stalks the streets. | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
The Polish women were told home, the Kashmiri driver told, we don't want | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
you Muslims here. The aggressive individual who is said to a train | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
guard, don't you close those door is until I tell you, we make the rules | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
now. All as a consequence of xenophobia being put mainstream in | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
the referendum campaign. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that it | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
can never be right that someone, because of their accent or the | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
colour of their skin, it should fear for their safety, and that we will | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
never, ever allow this great, dynamic, multicultural Britain to be | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
divided by the evil of racism? By the honourable gentleman has so. | :05:41. | :05:51. | |
I never wanted to see those sentiments appear in our country | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
again. The difference between now and the 1950s is our laws are far | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
stronger, the understanding of our place is far better and the ability | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
of prosecuting authorities is far stronger and all those things should | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
be brought to bear. As far as the UK Council Presidency | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
is concerned perhaps they should invite the Scottish Government are | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
hosted seeing as we are committed to the EU. Does he understand the | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
express -- problems expressed by my constituents with their friends and | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
relatives living in the EU particular with health care and the | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
like. How will this be affected in the | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
future? Health care is exactly the sort of issue that did not loom | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
large in the campaign as it should because there are some big retail | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
benefit from being in the EU, no roaming charges for mobile phone | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
chargers, access to health care, cheap airfares and the rest of it. | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
It is the sort of thing a Whitehall unit can look at, what are the rules | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
and terms of access to health care what can use secure within Europe | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
and out with the EU and start to put that forward so people can see what | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
the future holds. 70% of those who voted in my | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
constituency voted to remain. Many constituents have written to me | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
feeling for stability and jobs in our local immunity were 15% argue | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
that -- 15% of EU nationals. What should I say the Government is doing | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
to reassure them? I hope you would say we have to | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
accept the democratic will of the people, but we should do everything | :07:38. | :07:45. | |
we can to reassure people hate crime has no place in this country and we | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
will conduct a negotiation based on the best available evidence about | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
what we can do to achieve the closest possible relationship with | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
Europe on the basis of trade, cooperation and security. That is | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
our goal but in any referendum debate what a decision like this | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
that will be those disappointed with the result, myself included. We now | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
must make the best we can the new situation we are in. | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
The already dodgy economic at Hinkley point C have surely been | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
fatally undermined by the decision to withdraw from the EU. Can I | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
suggest to the Prime Minister, if he is looking to salvage something of a | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
legacy, he pulled the plug on this enormous folly? | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
I do not agree with the honourable gentleman. The logic and the | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
economic span of Hinkley point C are that we need to have this old | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
non-carbon energy it in order to have any ability to meet the very | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
challenging targets we have two reduce carbon emissions. I am all | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
for and have seen a mass of an expansion of renewable energy says I | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
have been Prime Minister. My friend print -- my favourite statistic is | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
90% of solar panels have been installed since I have had this job. | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
But solar power is intermittent and units based power and is why the | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
case for crinkly continues. If the Prime Minister will dig out | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
his copy of the Queen is dead album, he may want to depress himself or | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
other relevant to my favourite track, I Know It's Over. However, as | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
far as the Labour Party is concerned, There Is A Light That | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
Never Goes Out. On Bristol our elected mayor convenes a meeting of | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
key stakeholders to work out what this means for the city. There are | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
many wanted people so can he assure us the voice of cities on the | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
international stage will not be Dems. -- there are many wanting to | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
people. I will do everything I can to stand | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
up for Bristol. I was interested in the Labour Party's favourite | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
Smithsonian as it involves a double suicide. The lyrics are, if a | :10:03. | :10:10. | |
double-decker bus crashes into others, to die by your side... I | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
think the next verse is, if a pen: truck crashes into others -- payment | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
and truck. You obviously need to look for inspiration elsewhere. I | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
did not know what the Prime Minister had such a compendium of knowledge | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
on music. Extraordinarily impressive! He wrote to members on | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
both sides of the house top about the importance of manufacturing to | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
the Midlands and also of herds in Prime Minister's Questions referred | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
to the comments of Sadiq Khan in London having a voice in both | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
preparation for negotiations and within any negotiations themselves. | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
I agree with that and can be prime ministers say something about the | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
mechanism he envisages to allow our regions outside of London to have a | :11:09. | :11:16. | |
say in negotiations. What I can say and perhaps Apple | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
said it out in more detail at a later occasion is we must find | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
mechanisms such as a joint ministerial Council but also find | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
new mechanisms that the voices of our nations and regions can be herds | :11:32. | :11:42. | |
and I commit to that. Can be heard. Statement the parliamentary | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
Under-Secretary of State at the home with responsibility for preventing | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
abuse and exploitation. Karen Karen Bradley. | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
Hate crime of any kind is directed against any community, race or | :11:57. | :12:04. | |
religion has absolutely no place in our society. As my right honourable | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
friend the Prime Minister told this house today we are utterly committed | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
to tackling hate crime. We will provide extra funding in order to do | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
so. We will also take steps to boost reporting of hate crime and to | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
support victims. Issue new CPS guidance on racially aggravated | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
crime, provide a new fund for protective security measures at | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
potentially vulnerable institutions and also offer additional funding to | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
community organisations so they can tackle hate crime. The scenes and | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
behaviour we have seen in recent days, including offensive graffiti | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
and abuse hurled at people because they are members of ethnic | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
minorities, or because of nationality, are despicable and | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
shame. . We must stand together against such hate crime and ensure | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
it is stamped out. Over the last week there has been a 57% increase | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
in reporting to the police online reporting portal Through vision, | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
compared to this time last month with 85 reports between -- made | :13:20. | :13:30. | |
between the 23rd and the following week May two 24 reports the previous | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
week. I would urge caution in drawing conclusions from these | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
figures as they are a rough and small snapshot of report rather than | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
definitive statistics. Much of the reporting has been through social | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
media, including reports of xenophobic abuse of Eastern | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
Europeans as well as attacks against members of the Muslim community. | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
However, we have also seen messages of support and friendship on a | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
social media. I am sure you all house will want to join me in | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
commenting on those who have, we have seen stand up for what is right | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
and uphold the shared values that bind us together as a country, such | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
as those who oppose the racist and hateful speech shown in the recent | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
video taken on a pram in Manchester. These recent events are shocking but | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
sadly this is not a new phenomenon. Statistics from the report published | :14:35. | :14:45. | |
today show in 2015 there was a 320 -- 300 26% increase from 2014 in | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
Street -based anti-Muslim incidents reported directly, such as verbal | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
abuse in the street and a woman's reveals being pulled away for a 437 | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
incidents reported. The report also finds 45% of all the hate crime | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
perpetrators are supportive of the far right. In recent days we have | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
seen a far right groups engaged in order marches and demonstrations, | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
sowing fear and division. We have also seen a far right groups | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
broadcasting extreme racist and anti-Semitic and deals online. Along | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
with the spectral hate speech posted online following the shocking death | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
of our college Jo Cox. Her appalling death just under two weeks ago | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
shocked and sickened people, not only in communities up and down this | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
country, but in many other countries around the world. As we're herds in | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
the many moving tributes paid to her in this house for a loss is keenly | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
felt and we will always remember a husband is is not without a loving | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
wife and two young children will grow up without a mother. The | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
investigation of hate crimes is an operational matter for the police | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
but I would urge anyone who has experienced hate crimes are | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
reported, whether directly to the police, the police station, by | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
phoning 0101 or online three Through vision website. In this country we | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
have some of the strongest legislation in the world to protect | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
communities from violence and bigotry and this includes specific | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
offence is not a racially and religious aggravated activity and | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
offences of this stirring up of hatred on the ground operation, | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
religion and sexual orientation. It is imperative that these laws are | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
vigorously enforced. The National police report hate crime, Mark | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
Hamilton, has issued a statement confirming police forces are working | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
closely with their communities to maintain unity and prevent any hate | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
crime or abuse. Police forces will respond robustly to any incidents | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
and victims can be reassured that their concerns about hate crime will | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
be taken seriously by the police and courts. Any decisions regarding | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
resources offered by police on a matter for Chief Constable Jerry | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
Graham junction with their policing crime commission. -- between the | :17:21. | :17:29. | |
chief constables under present crime commission. The Home Secretary asked | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
the police to ensure the recording of religious -based hate crime | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
includes the faith of the victim, a measure which came into effect this | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
April. We also establish joint training between the police and CPS | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
to improve the way the police identify and investigate hate crime. | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
Alongside this training the College policing, and the professional body | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
for policing, published national strategy and operational guidance in | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
this area to ensure promising deals with hate crime effectively. But we | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
must do more to understand the hate crime we are seeing and to tackle | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
it. That is why we will be publishing a new hate crime action | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
plan covering all forms of hate crime, including the xenophobic | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
attacks. We have developed the plan in partnership with communities and | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
departments across Government. It will include measures to increase | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
the reporting of hate incident and crimes, including working with | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
communities and police to develop third-party reporting centres. It | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
will work to prevent hate crime on transport and tackle attacks against | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Muslim women which we recognise it's an area of great concern to the | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
community. The action plan will also provide stronger victim support, | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
helping put a stop to this behaviour. We also appreciate places | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
of worship are feeling particularly vulnerable at this time and so we | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
have established funding for the security of places of worship, as a | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
note by the Prime Minister last October which will enable places of | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
worship to bid for money to fund additional security such as CCTV or | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
fencing. We also work with communities to encourage them to | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
come forward to reporters crimes and given them the confidence of these | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
crimes will be taken seriously by the police and courts. My noble | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
friends, the Lord Ahmed and Baroness Williams, today visited the porous | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
cultural Centre in Hammersmith which was a victim of disgusting graffiti | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
to express their support. We're working closely with organisations | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
to monitor hate crime incidents as well is working with the national | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
community tensions team within the police to keep community tensions | :19:48. | :19:48. | |
under review. Mr Speaker, the Government is clear | :19:49. | :19:59. | |
that hate crime of any kind must be taken very seriously indeed. Our | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
country's thriving, liberal and modern precisely because of the rate | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
coexistence is of people between different backgrounds, faith and | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
ethnicities. And that's rich coexistence is something we must | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
treasure and strive to protect. We must work together to protect that | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
diversity, to defeat hate crime and uphold the values that underpin the | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
British way of life. And we must ensure that all those who seek to | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
spread hatred and division within our communities are dealt with | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
robust late night the police and courts. I commend the statement to | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
the House. May I begin by extending our sincere | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
condolences to the victims of yesterday's appalling attack in | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Istanbul. And sending a number, amazing message to the terrorists | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
that they will never prevail. That's and on compromising message. I | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
congratulate the Minister on the statement she has just 11 to the | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
House. Any referendum has the potential to create division within | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
society, this one was no different. We're probably all felt the rising | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
tension on the streets of our constituencies in recent weeks. In | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
the aftermath, it is incumbent on any elected representative to do | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
three things - burst to respect the decision of the people, second to | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
take ahead those decisions, and three to take on and defeat the | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
minority of people who take these occasions to peddle hatred and | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
violence. And that is what this has resulted it today and together. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
Since last Thursday there is it reports of a fivefold increase in | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
race hate on social media challenges the macro channels. A 57% | :21:49. | :21:56. | |
increase... And already rising tide of hate crime in England and Wales. | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
Last year the police recorded over 15,000 individual hate crimes, most | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
of them racially motivated. An 18% rise on the year before. As you | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
said, perhaps most disturbing of all, are reports of attacks in | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
recent days on individuals and on specific communities. In Huntingdon, | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
cards distributed outside homes and primary schools saying, no more | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
Polish vermin. In Hammersmith, a Polish community Centre, dogs with | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
racist graffiti. On Monday, a report of a Muslim schoolgirl, cornered by | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
people telling her, get out, we voted Leeds. More reports today in | :22:38. | :22:47. | |
Leicester and today in Manchester, footage of a university lecturer | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
being told to go back to Africa by three youths on a tram. As a | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
minister said, at tax on wisdom women, and even reports of women on | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
mobile phones speaking in a foreign language being screamed at in the | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
street. What is happening to the Britain that we have known? This is | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
not taking our country back, this is turning Britain into a place we have | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
never, ever been. Hate crime, by its very nature, is a rejection of the | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
British values that have always bound us together. Non-British | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
nationals living in Britain today will feel worried about their | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
safety. And in need of reassurance. I hope to provide even more in the | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
answers to my questions. I welcome the promise of a new hate crime | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
action plan. Coquelles the House when this plan will be published, it | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
is urgently needed? People in need of that reassurance will need that | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
today. Can she confirm what extra steps will be taken to monitor | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
reports of hate crime across the country, and what immediately advise | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
the Home Office is giving to the police in tackling such instances? | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
Secondly, it is crucial that people know how to report it. Websites you | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
mentioned is very welcome, but I would guess it is not widely known. | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
What action will she take to increase awareness of it? And is | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
there a case for some national advertising to promote it? | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
Confidence to report hate crime will only be felt as people are confident | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
action will be taken against it. People not always are. Can she | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
encourage the House that the police will follow up every single report | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
of hate crime, prosecute wherever possible, and ensure perpetrators | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
peeled the full force of the law. Add to provide further reassurance, | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
is the more the Government can say at this time to provide reassurance | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
to people about the status of their immigration status at this time | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
during negotiations with the European Union. And perhaps prevent | :24:55. | :25:02. | |
some of the more ignorant comments on being made in the street. | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
Finally, is now a case for a more proactive strategy to tackle far | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
right racist extremism. Racist attacks have been on the rise for | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
some time. Isn't it time to take their warnings much more seriously? | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
Can the Minister tell the House whether security services are | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
devoting sufficient resources and attention to this growing threat, | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
and bushy as them to review it? Mr Speaker, it is only ten days since | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
we lost our wonderful friend and colleague, Jo Cox. As the dust | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
settles on this referendum, week continue to have the words of | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
husbands Brendan and the whole point of our minds, that hatred does not | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
have a read, race or religion, it is poisonous. Did she realise that the | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
British public who voted for We did not vote for a intolerance, racist | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
Britain. And both sides of this referendum campaign to make sure | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
that Britain remains the open and welcome place is we know and love. | :26:07. | :26:16. | |
Can I start by joining the right Honourable gentleman in condemning | :26:17. | :26:18. | |
the attacks in Turkey yesterday. Can I also join him in agreeing with his | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
first three points, that we do respect and must all respect the | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
decision taken by the country last week. We do know need to heal those | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
divisions, and we must take on that minority, and it is a very small | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
minority of people that are perpetrating this evil, violence. | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
But they are committing a crime. And I cannot repeat too many times, and | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
not can any of us in this House, this is a crime that needs to be | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
reported, and action will be taken. He talked about reports, and I've | :26:54. | :27:01. | |
heard anecdotal reports of crimes in my own constituency, I have a | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
long-standing policy community in my constituency, I have heard comments | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
that are despicable and cannot be accepted in any way. I repeat, those | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
crimes must be reported, because we cannot tackle this crime if we do | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
not know the scale of it, and we do not know where it is happening. Can | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
I also say that was an excellent response, he commented Mike | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
response, I want a his response. It was excellent. He as when we will be | :27:33. | :27:41. | |
reporting, Rick issuing the new hate crime plan, it will be shortly, but | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
we do want to get it right. I hope you will understand. He asked about | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
reporting, it is very welcome to see an increase in reporting of crimes. | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
It is welcome to see an increasing conviction for his crimes. But we | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
know these crimes are not being reported. I have make this point | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
already, but I wish to reiterate - we need to have the crimes reported. | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
We should welcome an increase in reporting, but we need to see more | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
of it. And he is right, we want every single report to be | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
investigated and taken seriously. I do want to confirm that there is no | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
change in immigration status for anybody here in the United Kingdom, | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
or any UK national living abroad. And he talked about the far right. | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
Our work on hate crime is about all forms of hate crime, and that | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
includes hate crime perpetrated by the far right. There may have been | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
comments about taking back control, or taking back our country. I don't | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
want to take back a country which accept this type of crime happening. | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
That isn't the country I want to be part of. I will make comment about | :28:54. | :29:02. | |
our colleague Jo Cox. She certainly had douche macro -- she said we have | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
more in common, we certainly do. These events are sickening, and it | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
is right that we condemn them wholeheartedly. But to find | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
solutions, they had to be seen as a much broader increase in the last | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
year of the increase in a piece of luggage and behaviour, much targeted | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
at Muslim people and much of that at Muslim women. I think the Minster is | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
doing an excellent job working across Government to tackle this. | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
But does she agree with me that all of us macro here today, as | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
constituency Members of Parliament, have to take responsibility to call | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
out racism when we see it, to tackle it wholeheartedly, to make sure that | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
no racism is accepted in our communities? Will she confirm today | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
that she will be doing more to help the reporting of race crime through | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
third-party organisations, so that we can really get a handle on the | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
size of the problem in our own constituencies and communities? | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend makes so many important | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
points which I agree with. We do need to make sure we see an increase | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
in reporting. This is why we have insisted that hate crime, | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
religiously motivated hate crime, the religion of the victim needs to | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
be recorded, that so we do have that proper picture of what is happening. | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
We do work closely with the community Security trust and other | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
organisations to make sure that we promote that. Was a specific point | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
the right honourable asked about the true vision website. I realise I | :30:47. | :30:53. | |
didn't answer it. In the action plan, extra funding has been | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
allocated and will be available to that website. | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
Can I firstly associate myself with the comments of honourable members | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
across this House and offer my sincere condolences to those | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
affected by the tragic incident in Istanbul. Firstly, reports of a huge | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
increase in racist abuse since the EU referendum are horrid and | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
unacceptable. We have witnessed a 57% rise in xenophobic attacks in | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
the last week. In the wake of particularly vicious anti-immigrant | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
rhetoric of the EU referendum, it has been forgotten that these people | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
are friends and neighbours, and are positive contributors to our | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
society. And in the case of refugees, are people who have come | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
here to submit make better of their lives and the lives of their | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
children. Depictions of swarms, of waves, of immigrants are dangerous, | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
incorrect, and absolutely wrong. The SNP rejects the tone and rhetoric | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
but the debate on immigration and injuring the lead up to the | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
referendum. Instead, we as a party believe that immigration is | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
essential to the strength of economy and our cultural fabric. Promoting | :32:06. | :32:12. | |
tolerance, respect and inclusion, these are values and principles we | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
must foster in a modern and inclusive society. These are the | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
values we are working towards encouraging in Scotland. While this | :32:20. | :32:26. | |
UK Government -- will this UK Government get a grip and follow the | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
example of the First Minister Scotland, the Mayor of London, and | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
make statements directly to citizens of other European countries living | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
here and tell them that they remain welcome here, the UK is a home, and | :32:39. | :32:47. | |
their contributions are valued? Mr Speaker, I... I truly believe | :32:48. | :32:56. | |
that the vast, vast majority of people who voted last week, no | :32:57. | :32:59. | |
matter which way they voted, it did so for the right reasons. And I am | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
sure that the vast majority will be horrified by the deeds of some | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
claiming that they are doing this end their name. They quite something | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
not, it is abhorrent absolutely despicable. We will do everything we | :33:17. | :33:23. | |
can as a Government to make sure that we get hate crime reporting up | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
and we get hate crime investigated properly and appropriately so that | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
victims get the support that they need. I will repeat, she asked about | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
people living in this country, I repeat the point I made earlier, | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
there is no change to any immigration status for anybody in | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
this country. I for one welcome people who are here to contribute | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
and be part of our society and share my values, and want to be part of | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
this country. Before I became a member of this | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
has, I was leader of Bradford Council, so I was familiar with | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
walking streets with councillors of other political parties and with the | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
police but no certainty that they would be there the following day. I | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
never believed I would ever receive a telephone call in Bradford or | :34:15. | :34:24. | |
somebody frightens of their kids being bullied at school. Unless we | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
take action, now, this will eat us alive from the inside. And we do | :34:30. | :34:37. | |
know, in terms of dealing with anti-Semitism and dealing with | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
people against Muslims, that we do need to have a working definition | :34:41. | :34:50. | |
and an understanding. We have a good policy in terms of anti-Semitism, | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
adopted by the police last month, adopted by many countries in | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
remembrance of Holocaust of drivers, we need to make sure that a person | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
going to the police station is great received sympathy. And the most | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
important thing is that prosecutions have to happen. People need to | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
understand that hate crime is a crime. | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
My right honourable friend who has Secretary of State did an enormous | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
amount of work in this area and speaks with great authority, he | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
makes an incredibly important point and I agree with him. We need to see | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
prosecutions increase. We started from a very low base in terms of | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
reporting and prosecuting and successful conviction. We are | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
improving but there is still a long way to go. Could I welcome the | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
Minister's statement can be measured way in which she put her programme | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
forward which I think is the right approach which we should adopt the | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
home affairs committee will meet today and discuss some of these | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
matters to see whether we can enquire into the activities of the | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
far right. Can she tell me how many people have actually been arrested | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
and charged? She mentioned an increase in the number of people | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
reported. As the consistency between police forces? Some will be more | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
experienced than others. What are we doing about Internet companies and | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
their failure to take down tweets that are racist and tweets that | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
ensure people commit these crimes? They are simply not doing enough. | :36:35. | :36:43. | |
The right honourable gentleman asks some detailed technical points, some | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
of which will be for police forces to gather the information, but | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
perhaps if he allows me I will write to him with specific details. His | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
point about Internet companies is incredibly important. We have worked | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
with Internet companies with regard to indecent images of children | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
online. I want to pay tribute to the Internet providers for the work they | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
have done but we simply have not done enough yet, companies and | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
individuals, and we say what is illegal off-line is illegal online | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
but we need those companies and businesses to take responsibilities | :37:26. | :37:27. | |
for the actions of some of those people be allowed to appear | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
anonymously and get away with saying things that are unacceptable. Like | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
many, I am saddened by the recent events and would like to say that | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
Derby is a wonderfully diverse city and I would like to ask the Minister | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
what assurances she can give me that this is being taken into account to | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
protect these minorities and embrace these cultures? I would absolutely | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
agree that Derby is a wonderful city, and not living too far away I | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
get the pleasure of visiting not as frequently as I would like but it is | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
a wonderfully diverse and great city. We are working with | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
communities to ensure that point. The is no one size fits all solution | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
but we need to work with communities and police forces for the right | :38:20. | :38:26. | |
response. Many members will be aware that my constituency sits right next | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
door to Batley and Spen. Yesterday, people in my constituency received a | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
leaflet from the BNP saying Jo Cox took a misguided action by helping | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
Muslims in the country who may now go on to join Isis alongside other | :38:43. | :38:52. | |
horrendous allegations. I then received a significant number of | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
communications from constituents, a seven-year-old Muslim ghetto was | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
told on Friday, and I have removed the expletives, it was the best day | :39:01. | :39:07. | |
ever, go home all of you. I have received a number of similar | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
incidents. I am proud to be British but also proud to be the daughter of | :39:13. | :39:20. | |
a mother who is half Polish. On Monday I asked the Prime Minister | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
about establishing a cross-party commission for investigating hate | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
crimes because the time to act is now. I am shocked by what the | :39:27. | :39:37. | |
honourable lady says. That is utterly unacceptable. I would like | :39:38. | :39:47. | |
to meet her, if she would allow, and perhaps she would discuss a specific | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
action being taken and ensure that any crimes such as those are | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
reported and action taken against them. He racist attack on anyone is | :39:55. | :40:04. | |
an attack on all of us. And on all that makes this a great country. | :40:05. | :40:12. | |
What more can be done following on from the right honourable | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
gentleman's comments? What more can be done to make sure that Facebook | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
and Twitter and other social media player they are large and active | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
part? They are huge international companies that spend lots of money | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
on PR and lobbying. Their primary responsibility at this time is to | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
tackle hate crime. They need to be part of the solution. I agree with | :40:38. | :40:44. | |
everything my honourable friend has said. Like many members I have | :40:45. | :40:53. | |
campaigned in different parts of the world over the years against the | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
abuses of human rights. We have been able to do that because Britain is | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
seen across the globe as a tolerant, liberal community which has always | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
been prepared to protect all parts of our peoples. Does she share my | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
horror that we should find ourselves in a position today where the United | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
Nations High Commissioner for human rights finds it necessary to urge | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
others to act on this? These people are eating away at the fabric of our | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
community from the inside but they also risk diminishing our standing | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
on the world stage. That is why the Minister is right to act in the way | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
she does, but government alone cannot do this. She needs to work | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
with local authorities, civic groups and voluntary organisations to | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
ensure we build the broadest possible coalition against hatred. | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
The right honourable gentleman is right this cannot be solved by | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
government alone but something we all have to act on. The action plan | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
we are working on is a cross government plan but it is across all | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
sectors and all parts of society including civil society, local | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
government and other agencies. As a member of the women and equality | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
select committee I welcome the comments this afternoon, the member | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
from Basingstoke, and I welcome the Minister's important statement. It | :42:27. | :42:28. | |
is absolutely right we do not follow this behaviour to be ignored. It is | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
wrong, pure and simple, and there are no excuses. Can the Minister | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
confirm anybody using the referendum as an excuse to commit hate crime | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
will be made an example of? There will be no hiding spaces, whether | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
online or in workplaces or around religious places of worship? I | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
absolutely agree, there is no excuse for this behaviour at all. As I said | :42:58. | :43:07. | |
early, I know the good, hard-working British people who voted will want | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
nothing to do with this behaviour and certainly will not wanted used | :43:13. | :43:20. | |
as an excuse for it? As you know I have tied thrice to get an urgent | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
question. Would the Minister agree that the scenes of hatred and anger | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
that we are seeing in our country are as a result of the racist, | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
xenophobic and anti-immigration Brexit campaign, and print media | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
such as the Daily Mail, the express and the sun, who over the years have | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
blamed migrant communities for all the problems in our country, and | :43:50. | :43:57. | |
this level of hatred and nastiness towards immigrant communities is | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
what is leading to some of the things happening? Can I therefore | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
ask what will be done to address this type of press coverage, and | :44:06. | :44:12. | |
also, some of the politicians in our country should take responsibility, | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
such as Nigel Farage and the honourable members for Surrey and | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
Oxbridge, who in their campaign would absolutely disgraceful. I | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
greatly respect what the honourable lady has said so I hope she will not | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
be affronted, but it is quite important for the future to be had | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
in mind that we don't refer to unsuccessful applications on the | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
floor of the House and there are very good reasons for that, but I | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
absolutely understand the strength of feeling and considerable | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
knowledge the honourable lady brings to beer. And as some colleagues | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
might know, I indicated to the government it would be helpful today | :45:00. | :45:01. | |
if there would be a ministerial statement on that matter, and I hope | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
the House feels this is a proper exchange under the circumstances. | :45:08. | :45:19. | |
Thank you. We all need to reflect on what happened during the referendum | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
campaign. The result was decisive and we need to respect that result | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
but we should all take a step back and look at what happened and how | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
that campaign was conducted. Can I commend the final sentence of the | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
Minister's statement when she said that we should ensure all those who | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
seek to spread hatred are dealt robustly with by the police and | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
court? An example of a hate crime recently prosecuted in my | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
constituency, and mental health services need to be involved in the | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
period following prosecution if the offending is not to occur. | :45:59. | :46:10. | |
My honourable friend makes a very good point. He is right and I can | :46:11. | :46:24. | |
assure him that we work with mental health specialists and clinicians to | :46:25. | :46:26. | |
make sure there's involvement at all stages. He is right that vulnerable | :46:27. | :46:34. | |
people may misinterpret and misunderstand, and we are all too | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
aware of what the results of that can be. Can I just say that in | :46:40. | :46:48. | |
Birmingham what we are trying to do to deal with these horrific | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
instances that are taking place, if I am coordinating with my colleagues | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
in Birmingham to get the leader of the council, the police Chief | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
Constable and the PCC to come together to deal with these issues. | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
Would she look at issuing guidance to ensure this happens so we can | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
respond to these and deal with the US use as they arise across | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
communities? The decisions about operational policing are matters for | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
chief constables working with Police and Crime Commissioner is, but the | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
example he has Kevin is a good one. Can I congratulate and commend the | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
Minister for not using the word tolerance? I have never thought that | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
on this issue to tolerate people ever goes far enough. We don't have | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
threshold to which we will put up and goes no further so can I thank | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
her for that. Can I encourage her not to have it in the hate crime | :47:51. | :47:57. | |
action plan, but on a day where we saw the scenes outside Parliament | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
last night where there was only positive coverage for what I believe | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
was hate filled chants shows we have an awful long way to go. On a day | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
when colleagues in the Labour Party are getting significant pressure and | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
threats and intimidation because of internal politics, it shows this is | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
not just about the far right, but there's a far left. They've is | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
racism and anti-Semitism and myriad threats to the dangers put back | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
stability of culture and society in this United Kingdom. The honourable | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
gentleman mix some powerful points and they agree with much of what he | :48:36. | :48:43. | |
has said, and it is right. I am not Twitter now and I decided I didn't | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
want to listen to this nonsense. I will go through and check for that | :48:51. | :48:58. | |
point. I welcome the Minister's statement. I come at it from a point | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
of view of having had years of disappointing correlation between | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
those who report and those who receive convection and I wonder | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
whether the Minister can outline for is exactly what resources will be | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
put into the CPS, because as it currently stands really is no way | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
that all of those incidents we are talking about will ever even see the | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
light of day with the CPS under current resources and structure. | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
Also, what support will be given to people in order to find their way | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
through those legal systems, because at the moment, what we are at risk | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
of doing is opening an enormous door onto an empty room. The honourable | :49:41. | :49:51. | |
lady I know has experienced far more than her share of abuse online, and | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
she is a style worked for standing up and being there and still being | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
Twitter. I am not quite sure why she is! I spoke to the Solicitor General | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
before I came into this statement to make sure he heard exactly that | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
point. The CPS really needs to take this seriously and we need to see | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
prosecutions and convictions. It is very important people are punished | :50:17. | :50:17. | |
for these crimes. In the statement and her very clear | :50:18. | :50:26. | |
commitment to do all she can to crack down on this appalling a | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
crime. There was a report that said real terms of funding police forces | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
has been reduced by an average 18% from 2015. The same report noted | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
that the department does not have good enough information to work out | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
by how much it can reduce funding without degrading services. Can I | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
ask Eric did you know how many services to support victims of hate | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
crime higher at risk of being lost have already been lost, and what can | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
she do to remedy that? The prevalence of hate crime is not | :51:01. | :51:07. | |
on an upward trend. The prevalence, according to the crime survey, as on | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
a stable or downward trend depending on the type of hate crime. What's we | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
do see more certain types of hate crime, and were seen more reporting | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
of hate crime. The reporting of hate crime and prosecutions of hate crime | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
are to be welcomed, we need to see more reporting - I am very clear, | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
the difference between prevalence and reporting is still a very big | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
gap, we need to make sure there is more reporting. In terms of services | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
to victims, hate crime action plan has very specific measures on | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
victims, and hope she will come back to it when it is released and we can | :51:43. | :51:49. | |
discuss it then perhaps. And in centric device was thrown | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
into a halal butchers shop in my constituency. There is a photograph | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
in the Guardian today the inside of the shop. Can the Minister confirm | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
how much extra funding will be available for local police forces so | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
that they can investigate and tackle these crimes? | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
Again, another shocking example. I dread to think how many of us do | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
know of anecdotal of this kind of incident. I do hope that it has been | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
reported and I look forward to hearing from her about the outcome | :52:24. | :52:30. | |
of that. In terms of funding, etc, perhaps we could come back to this | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
when the hate crime action plan has been published. | :52:34. | :52:41. | |
I was with North Wales Police on night shift last weekend. It was | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
made evident to me that people from ethnic minorities - and I would | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
emphasise this is not anecdotal - they are often afraid to report hate | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
crime. I am sure we are united in praising the courage of those who | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
call out racial hatred. I welcome third-party reporting centres in the | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
hate crime action plan, and would like to ask where and when will this | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
be? Whether the accessible to all amenities, as racism is not a risk | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
to some of our society, but I criticised it as a whole? | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
There are various ways in which hate crime can be reported and are | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
available to all communities. But the true vision site is a place that | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
people can go to without fear. It is not like walking into police station | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
are making a call. There will be additional funding for it. | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
As someone who grew up experiencing some considerable racism and | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
Islamophobia, I am utterly shocked by what we see. My parents' | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
generation are even more shocked and second, could because they thought | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
we had conquered that level of racism. -- second. Does she agree | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
with me that some other national leaders have been absolutely | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
disgraced in playing the anti-immigration card. We need to | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
have a conference was our political leaders to make sure that will not | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
happen again in the future. Politicians need to take | :54:12. | :54:12. | |
responsibility when they have acted irresponsibly. Secondly, British | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
forests and other far right organisations have, even before the | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
referendum, and in the run-up to the campaign, targeted constituencies | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
like mine, masks and other institutions in acts of Prosser but | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
provocation to wilfully cause disorder. And as a lack of order | :54:32. | :54:40. | |
police services and ineptitude in legal provision to tackle these | :54:41. | :54:42. | |
hateful groups but trying to start up intolerance and violence in our | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
communities. Would you take action immediately. And also insist that | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
the Prime Minister leads this debate and make sure that we actually step | :54:53. | :55:00. | |
up to the plate? Mr Speaker, I agree with horror. We | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
all thought this was something we had left behind us. It is shocking | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
that that has proved not to be the case. I agree with horror that, as | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
politicians, we all have the responsibility to be measured and | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
responsible in our language and in what we say and the actions we take. | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
We must never, ever try and picked one race against another, when | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
gender against the other, when sexuality against the other, that is | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
utterly irresponsible. She asked about the far right extremism in her | :55:34. | :55:42. | |
constituency. Our counter extremism strategies have specific measures to | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
deal with the extremism of all forms. I think people looked at the | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
counter extremism strategy and thought it was just about Islamic | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
extremism, it is not, it is about all forms of extremism. Including | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
neo-Nazi and far higher right extremism as well. I hope the people | :55:59. | :56:08. | |
going to consult with on the Bill will address that. | :56:09. | :56:17. | |
The attendance at Westminster includes some of the deepest breadth | :56:18. | :56:28. | |
of races and European Community is. We have people reporting their | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
fears. We know from the report mentioned earlier today that 61% of | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
the victims of hate crimes are women. With the hate crimes report | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
include a specific reference to how we can identify and support women | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
who are targets of hate crime and ensure that they are reporting all | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
of the incidents that are occurring to them? | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
The honourable lady makes a good point, I can confirm that the hate | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
crime action plan looks all victims to make sure that there are specific | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
support and measures in place for them. | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
I have spoken to the South Wales Police and Crime Commissioner this | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
morning about how we respond to some of the incidents that I regretfully | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
spoke to the chamber about the other day. Will the Minister make | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
absolutely clear there is no hierarchy of hate crime, whether it | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
is against Jews, Muslims, Hindus, gays, straight, men or women, | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
weather comes from the far rate or indeed the far left, it is the same | :57:30. | :57:31. | |
thing can have the same consequences. We do not stand for | :57:32. | :57:39. | |
it, we must take action. And we make sure that those who condone or | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
encourage it, wherever they come from, must also take responsible to? | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
I absolutely agree with him. We have just come out of a fortnight | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
in Scotland celebrating the contribution of refugees to our | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
society. It was a wonderful celebration which we can be proud | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
of. Was he joined me in condemning those people who are affixed | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
neo-Nazi, racist and homophobic stickers in Glasgow city centre? | :58:05. | :58:14. | |
I do join her in condemning that behaviour. | :58:15. | :58:22. | |
The Polish cultural centre in Hammersmith has received hundreds of | :58:23. | :58:30. | |
supporters cards and e-mails following the events of last | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
weekend. Particularly nearby children from primary schools turned | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
up en masse to show their solidarity. Will the secretary of | :58:41. | :58:47. | |
state echoed the message left by the mother of the children, we love you, | :58:48. | :58:58. | |
yay, the Polish! There are legion British people who embrace | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
immigrants communities? I absolutely agree with him, he | :59:04. | :59:06. | |
makes a very good point. This feels like one of those where were all the | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
green, that's great! I have to tell him my right arm row friend sitting | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
next to me has mentioned that this may be the first time he is in full | :59:17. | :59:18. | |
agreement with the honourable gentleman! | :59:19. | :59:26. | |
Hate crime has been suddenly growing for a number of years, and it does | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
seem that for a small minority of people on the fringes, the aspects | :59:30. | :59:35. | |
of the referendum campaign have legitimised some pretty repugnant | :59:36. | :59:43. | |
and approaches views. -- atrocious views on the Minister say a bit more | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
about what the Government is doing to provide confidence measures | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
within those communities that are feeling bruised right now. It is | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
important we do build confidence amongst those people, so that they | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
understand that they have a role, a vital role to play in British | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
society? The honourable gentleman is absolute | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
right, they all have a valuable role to play in British society. I think | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
he also referred to something that I think is one of the phenomena we see | :00:15. | :00:22. | |
online, that online can be anonymous, but is also socialising | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
and normalising of behaviour that would never be acceptable in any | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
other form. And we need to fight back against that and make it clear, | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
this is a normal, it is certainly not something that should be | :00:35. | :00:41. | |
accepted. I'm very pleased to see the minister | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
recognised importance of training and the joint strategy between the | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
CPS and police. As a former consul I can tell my experience was very poor | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
of training around these areas. Can I suggest you bring in an external | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
organisation to look at the training that is put in place, and | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
investigate how seriously they may take less? | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
I wonder if the honourable lady would be willing to meet me and | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
discuss her personal experience of this, because I would like to hear | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
what is going on underground as much as she would probably like to tell | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
me. Last weekend, my neighbour, a mum of | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
two, and a woman of Caribbean heritage, tell me she felt homeless | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
following the results of the referendum last week. Can the | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
Minister tell me what specific resources will be available to the | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
Metropolitan Police to engage with those communities experiencing a | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
rise in hate crime? And will she agree with me at all of us must do | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
absolutely everything we can to ensure that children in places like | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
Lewisham can grow up in a country which is respectful and inclusive? | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
Is she'll forgive me, could I write her with the specifics of what is | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
happening within the Metropolitan Police? We labour and many police | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
forces, and I don't want to provide information that is not strictly | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
accurate and correct. I do agree with her on her points, this is a | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
great country, I'm incredibly proud of being British, it is going to | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
continue to be a great country, irrespective of the referendum | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
results. But like the country I'm part of that is not a country that | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
except this type of behaviour. I'm extremely grateful to the | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
Minister for her statement to colleagues for what they have said. | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
Point of order? On page 49 of Erskine May, it refers | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
to the official opposition as the largest minority party which is | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
prepared, in the event of the resignation of Government, to issue | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
power. Mr Speaker, the current opposition has lost two thirds of | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
its shadow cabinets, as leader and what into the front bench no longer | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
command the confidence of the majority of its backbench. It is | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
clearly in no shape to issue power and unable to meet these key | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
responsibilities and obligations as outlined in Erskine May. Mrs Baker, | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
given these obvious failings, what steps will now have to be taken to | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
have this official opposition replaced with one that can meet the | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
responsibilities that are set out very clearly in Erskine May? | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
I am familiar with Erskine May on this matter, as the honourable | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
gentleman would expect. And I am genuinely grateful to him for giving | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
me notice of his point of order. I can confirm that the Labour Party | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
currently constitute the official opposition, and that it leader is | :03:58. | :04:05. | |
recognise by me for statutory and parliamentary purposes as the Leader | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
of the Opposition. He will have noticed that I called the Leader of | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
the Opposition earlier to ask a series of questions to the Prime | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
Minister. The honourable gentleman will also be aware that today we | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
have opposition business, duly chosen by the Leader of the | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
Opposition as indicated on the order paper. I should perhaps add that in | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
making these judgments, and pronouncing in response to points of | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
order, I do give, and have given, thought to the matter, and I have | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
also benefited from expert advice. These matters are not broached | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
lightly. I understand the vantage point from which the honourable | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
gentleman speaks, but he raised the question, and I have today given him | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
the answer. We'll leave it there for now. If there are no further points | :05:05. | :05:15. | |
of order, we will shortly be moving on to presentations of bills. When I | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
have left the chair and been replaced. | :05:23. | :05:32. | |
We now come to presentation of bills. Mr John Nicholson. Sections | :05:33. | :05:54. | |
offences pardons bill. Second reading what they? 21st October. Mr | :05:55. | :06:06. | |
Bob Blackman. Homelessness reduction bill. Second reading what they? | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
Friday 28th October. National minimum wage workplace | :06:13. | :06:26. | |
internship Bill. Second reading what they? Friday 4th of November. Pat | :06:27. | :06:40. | |
Glass. Parliamentary constituencies Amendment Bill. Second reading what | :06:41. | :06:52. | |
they? 18th of November. On behalf of of Gareth Johnson. Awards for valour | :06:53. | :07:02. | |
protection Bill. Second reading, what day? . 25th November. | :07:03. | :07:16. | |
Benefit claimants sanctions required assessment Bill. Second reading, | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
what day?. Second December. Preventing and combating violence | :07:20. | :07:35. | |
against women and domestic violence ratification of Convention Bill. | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
Second reading, what day?. 16th of December. | :07:40. | :07:50. | |
Families with children and young people in debt risk Bill. Second | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
reading, what day? 28th October. Registration of marriage bill. | :07:56. | :08:11. | |
Second reading, what day? 21st October. James Morris. Assets of | :08:12. | :08:24. | |
community value Bill. Second reading, what day? 25th November. | :08:25. | :08:36. | |
Roger Mullin. Double taxation treaties, developing countries Bill. | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
Second reading, what day? 16th of December. | :08:40. | :08:50. | |
Farriers registration Bill. Second reading, what day? 13th of January | :08:51. | :09:07. | |
20 16. -- 2017. Parking places aviation of charges Bill. Second | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
reading, what day? 25th November. Disability equality training, taxi | :09:11. | :09:28. | |
and private hire a vehicle drivers Bill. Second reading, what day? | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
Radiating is November. Gang masters licensing and labour | :09:32. | :09:47. | |
use authority Bill. Second reading, what day? Fourth November. | :09:48. | :10:01. | |
International trade and investment NHS protection Bill. Second reading, | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
what day? Second December. Kew Gardens leases Bill. Second | :10:05. | :10:16. | |
reading, what day? 18th of November. Merchant shipping homosexual conduct | :10:17. | :10:36. | |
Bill. Second reading, what day? 20th January. | :10:37. | :10:50. | |
Counterterrorism and security act 2015 Amendment Bill. Second reading, | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
what day? 27th of January. Child poverty in the UK, target for | :10:55. | :11:11. | |
a reduction Bill. Second reading, what day? Third February, 2017. | :11:12. | :11:25. | |
Order. We now come to the opposition Day motion in the name of the Leader | :11:26. | :11:37. | |
of the Opposition. I call Mr John McDonnell to move the motion. | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
Calm down. Can I first of all welcome the chance or's presents to | :11:43. | :11:56. | |
the House. I have been critical of his nonattendance in recent debates, | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
but I have to say, this is the one day I thought he might be too busy | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
elsewhere. Can I also say, I commend his financial secretary who over the | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
last few days, in excruciating pain with his bad back, has dealt | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
competently and courteously with the Finance Bill. In this role at times, | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
sometimes we all have to watch your backs. OK, although, Madam Deputy | :12:24. | :12:39. | |
Speaker, this is an opposition day debate, to be frank, this is no time | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
for partisan ship and party political game playing when the | :12:45. | :12:46. | |
country is facing such serious challenges. Let me suggest the tone | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
of this debate should be one of honest critique but constructive | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
engagement. Yes, we have to be honest in our assessment of the | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
economy but constructive and there are questioning and also on our | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
proposals for the future. The country will expect us all to work | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
together, not uncritically but cooperatively and times of | :13:15. | :13:15. | |
unprecedented political and economic turmoil. The honourable gentleman | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
talks about critically and uncritically but the criticism I | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
have visit seems to me a fact that the Chancellor promised an emergency | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
budget the referendum. He lost on that because there will be no of | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
urgency budget. Thinking back to Scotland, given he'd lost once, I | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
think you've lost on the pound in Scotland. How would he answer that? | :13:41. | :13:50. | |
To be frank, we need to move on. I expressed my concerns about some of | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
the over exaggerated claims at the beginning of the campaign that turns | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
people off. We now know that many of the claims made on both sides | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
unfortunately are coming through tonight. The Leave vote has left us | :14:03. | :14:12. | |
all with an immense... If I can press on, has left us with an | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
immense series of tasks and the economic situation alone is a major | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
challenge for us all. I will come back to you. Can I go through some | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
of the headlines we know about. The triple-A credit rating of the UK has | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
been lost, the pound fell to a 31 year low, the FTSE 100 index | :14:34. | :14:43. | |
registered the biggest single day fall since 2008, employers most | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
notably in the financial services are already looking to relocate | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
jobs, and a quarter of all those employers have introduced a hiring | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
freeze, share prices have fallen dramatically, and this is just an | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
outline of the situation as it stands. Will he welcomed the fact | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
that the bond markets that the opposite of what the ratings agency | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
suggested? They suggested the cost of state borrowing should go up but | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
I am pleased to tell him that the opposite happened, bonds are at an | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
all-time high and we have record lows of borrowing costs. Doesn't | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
this prove the market has had a huge vote of confidence? It proves the | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
chaotic nature of the market at the moment. Can a look ahead, most major | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
forecasters have revised forecasts of growth sharply down words. There | :15:42. | :15:49. | |
is a major growth -- damage to growth, and we will wait as the | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
Chancellor announced in his Monday morning statement, on an official | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
statement from the budget for fiscal responsibility. Ongoing close | :16:00. | :16:07. | |
monitoring would be welcome and regular reports to Parliament to | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
ensure that. They arrest the prospect that the OBE or will report | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
a serious worsening in public finance. What assessment has my | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
honourable friend made of the Chancellor's statement a couple of | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
days ago when he said taxes may have to go up and there might have to be | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
further cuts? Isn't this further austerity only British people? Let | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
me come to that later in the speech because I want to deal with the | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
statement on Monday. It is essential in a situation like this that we | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
introduce some clarity. It is great uncertainty on the part of those | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
feeling for their jobs and for the volatility of the financial markets | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
of the last few days. It is for the whole house to secure some clarity | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
and a clear sense of direction. I want to clarify why the referendum | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
result has led to the situation. There were warnings a vote to leave | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
would lead to this shock. Economic forecasting is never an exact | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
science but any forecaster with credibility pointed to some shot | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
from a Leave vote. These warnings should have been heeded. I believe | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
it was responsible for those campaigning for Leave not just to | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
gloss over them but to make the claim that a Leave vote would lead | :17:32. | :17:41. | |
to positivity. The shock is significant and could worsen. We | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
welcome the commitment from the Governor of the Bank of England to | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
take steps to extend the core liquidity to banks and prepare for | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
further measures. We welcome the statement from the Chancellor, that | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
he has been in urgent consultation over the weekend with those in the | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
financial industry, and we will support measures to stabilise the | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
market and dampen volatility, but with the firm caveat that these | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
measures should not impose costs on households and small businesses. | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
Despite earlier statements the Chancellor has ruled out his | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
previous emergency budget until the fiscal position is made clear. This | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
is to be strongly welcomed. To move forward we need to be honest about | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
assessment of the current situation to ensure the correct remedies are | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
agreed on in the future. We do not share the Chancellor's assessment of | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
the brother economic fixture. His view realised triviality and the | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
Leave vote is having a greater impact because the roof hasn't been | :18:56. | :19:06. | |
fixed. I thank him for giving way and I agree with the way he has | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
approached the debate. The employment rate in our country is at | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
a record high and capital requirements for the banks are some | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
ten times what they wear and the budget deficit is down from 11% to | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
3% this year and that is what I think the Chancellor was talking | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
about when he spoke about fixing the roof, so what position does he think | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
the economy would be in now if we didn't take those measures? I | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
remember the Chancellor promising as the deficit would be eradicated last | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
years and can I see some of those jobs are unfortunately insecure and | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
in low pay, but we welcome the capital requirements with regards to | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
banks if you can accept that. At the centre of the pessimistic assessment | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
we are seeing was the stagnating productivity, and it has been | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
members on all sides who said this. On the latest data, productivity in | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
the UK has not grown, the worst performance of any G-7 economy and | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
it means today on average for every hour worked in the UK, it is one | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
third less productive than the average hours worked in the US, | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Germany or France. Stagnation in productivity and that has happened | :20:26. | :20:26. | |
under less Chancellor. And in long-term strategy has | :20:27. | :20:36. | |
failed, as is no basis for long-term growth. | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
We need a comrade is a strategy to deal with the contents of crisis. -- | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
content of strategy. Growth over the last two years has relied on certain | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
things. There been a large number of jobs created, that they have been | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
prepaid and insecure. Secondly we have grown more and more dependent, | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
unfortunate, and wholesale borrowing. We have not yet hit the | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
level of 2008, with the office of budget responsible to forecast | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
predicts an unprecedented five- year period of household debts. At the | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
same time as our deficit with the rest of the world, current account | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
deficit, has widened to the high-dose level, the highest level | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
of current-account deficit since the 18th century. 70% of GDP, the | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
largest deficit of any major economy. To finance the gap, the | :21:31. | :21:39. | |
sale of UK assets have reached record levels, alongside asset sales | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
to the rest of the world on a range of facilities. Some of which have | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
been objected to significantly in this House. The UK now has, relative | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
to GDP, the largest debt owed overseas of any major developed | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
country. We have been able to finance this Deva said, despite | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
productivity growth, because of what Mark Carney said in recent lecture, | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
the kindness of strangers. -- finance this debt. | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
Would he also agreed that the way in which the current-account deficit is | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
being funded is essentially high foreign direct investments, | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
including the purchase by Chinese organisations of assets here, how | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
then does that relate to Britain taking back control? | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
We have consistently argued in this House on the side against the acid | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
cells that have taken place. This has been described as selling the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
family silver. Actually been selling the fabric of the building itself | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
will stop investors in the rest of the world had been willing to | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
overlook some of the fundamentals of our economy in the belief that this | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
country is politically stable, has secured banks, and has a booming | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
property market. Overseas investors have been buying outskirts and | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
lending money on a grand scale because of this. This kindness of | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
strangers is now in short supply after the League vote. The | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
confidence of international investors in the UK's position has | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
been undermined. I welcome his focus on this point. | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
This is my biggest worry, personally, that we are dependent on | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
investments, and it is a significant wrecks. Does he agree that whatever | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
happens in the negotiation, the single most important message to | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
come out of it is that we're still an open economy, and we will not | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
resort to protectionism? I fully agree, and a echo the | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
Chancellor's statement on Monday that this country is open for | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
business, and we have to repeat that time and time again on all sides of | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
this House to make sure we retain confidence as best we can. I will | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
press on and come back to the honourable gentleman. I have to say | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
that, with the uncertainty of the UK's relationship to the rest of the | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
world, the confidence of international investors has been | :24:07. | :24:08. | |
undermined, and we have to recognise that. I regret that the | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
current-account deficit has not been addressed up until now. To do so | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
would have required a restructuring of our recon me. We would have | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
needed, to be frank, an industrial strategy to develop and support our | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
key industries. I say to the Government they must now bring | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
forward a comprehensive industrial strategy to support those key | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
industries and Labour Party for future growth. | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Thank you for giving way. -- Labour Party for future growth. Does the | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
honourable gentleman welcome the fact that the Speaker of the House | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
of Representatives has today called Brown media talks between the United | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
States and the UK on setting a trade deal so that when we exit the EU | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
there will be a trade deal with the United States. And also the | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
statements from the Indian Government so that we can ensure | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
there is no interruption to the UK economy? | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
It has to be recognised that the trading relationship with India, | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
although growing, is relatively still small. I recognise the | :25:16. | :25:23. | |
negotiations that are taking place. Over the last decade, the timescale | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
in which those trade agreements were secured, to be frank, they are | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
lengthy, and at the end of the day don't necessarily, by an individual | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
statement of negotiations on the run, actually achieve the best | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
efforts of that country that they might have achieved within a trading | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
bloc. I will press on and come back. The simplest expiration for these | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
decisive economic weaknesses is people a state of investment in the | :25:56. | :26:03. | |
UK. -- poor to an basement. Investment is in decline and falling | :26:04. | :26:10. | |
further. The economic uncertainty is being reported to deter investment. | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
This poll on investment by business is being worsened by the | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
Government's plans to cut its own investment. Current investment and | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
current projections is set to fall by the end of the decade. Without | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
sustained investment, both private and Government, we will not be able | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
to address the economic decline lighting too much of our country. | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
Thank you for giving way. The honourable gentleman has talked | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
about the need for industrial strategy. Clearly, the Government | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
has said that important strategies for life sciences, key industries | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
like that. At the Northern Powerhouse as well. Given the | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
challenges we are facing and the importance of that continuing need | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
to rebound the economy, or the opposition now fully get behind the | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
Government plans to rebalance the economy and take forward the | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
Northern Powerhouse that they have been critical of in the past? | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
We have welcomed initiative to try and rebalance the economy. The | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
problem has been the success rate. In the pipeline, the investment | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
pipeline that was announced by the Chancellor several years ago, is | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
less than 20% success. The 20 billion that was meant to come, only | :27:21. | :27:28. | |
1 billion has so far, five years on. I think the Government announces | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
well, but does not implement very well. That is too much Government by | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
press release. I will press on and come back to the honourable | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
gentleman. I think it's important that we recognise the economic | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
decline and regional inequality and despaired that it has produced | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
contributed to so many voting League. Some are concerned that the | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
shock to business with Bush the entire economy into recession again. | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
So could I call again for a programme, a fresh programme of | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
Government investment, bringing forward a share of projects in those | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
areas hardest hit by long economic decline. I give way. | :28:12. | :28:21. | |
I am most grateful. I just wanted, in the spirit of the conversation | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
taking place this afternoon, to say that in terms of some of the | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
northern cities such as my city of Leeds, that has been considerable | :28:29. | :28:39. | |
action taking place. The station opened last week, and half ?1 | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
billion of gone into projects within Leeds. I understand the politics of | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
the situation, but please understand that some of great northern cities | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
have had some real investment. We must not talk down some of the | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
success that has happened, but at the same time the success has not | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
been on this scale, it is not been on the skill to rebalance the | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
economy as promised. As a result of that, I have two admits there is | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
disillusionment in a section of the electorate, and as a result voted | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
for Leave. Amenities have been left behind. I felt that as a result of a | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
lack of investment, certainly in recent years. | :29:20. | :29:26. | |
Witty agree with me that it would be a huge boost to the British economy | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
if the ?60 billion initiative for the expansion of Heathrow went and | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
ready support my view for a free vote on the issue? | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
You have to get the honourable member his due, he chances his arm! | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
I'm sure that is a need for investment in selected investment in | :29:48. | :29:56. | |
aviation. We are short of time, I will push on. The answer is that | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
whenever the aviation expansion takes place, it will be judged by | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
the criteria that this party on the side of the House has selected, | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
which includes its environmental impact as well as the economic | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
impact. So we await the proposals of Government, and we will then take | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
that decision. If I can press on. Can I just come to some immediate | :30:20. | :30:28. | |
next steps. There is debate on the best course of action for the future | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
economic policy. There are immediate steps that can be taken to calm | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
market volatility. It is incumbent on the Government now to take the | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
necessary measures. And Labour, in the national interest, will support | :30:45. | :30:46. | |
measures intended to stabilise the economy where they protect | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
households and businesses. So I'm monetary policy, of course, | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
authority rests with the Bank of England to intervene, to protect the | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
stability of banks and the wider economy. And Governor Mark Carney | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
morning statement was important in helping to stabilise the situation. | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
However some interventions by the bank will require authorisation by | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
the Government. It will help to ensure the success of these | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
interventions in the House is kept informed and provided regular | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
updates. On fiscal policy, the expected slump in demand, the | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
Government's present fiscal charter is increasingly anachronistic. The | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
Chancellor has missed two Maccabees three targets on debt and the | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
wealthier camp. He will have to suspend though welfare target. It is | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
now impossible to defend. For the regions, a squeeze on Government | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
investment could now be especially damaging. Last year, and this was | :31:51. | :31:57. | |
raised in earlier questions, ?10 billion was provided in regional | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
funding, provided by the EU. As was concentrated on our most deprived | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
regions and places that needed it most. Can I ask what steps is the | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
Government taking to ensure that essential funding will now be made | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
good? Can I ask what structures have been put in place to liaise with the | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
elected mayors and local government leaders to address the loss of EU | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
funds? The UK also currently holds a 60% state in the European investment | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
bank -- 16% which included investment in the United Kingdom. | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
Can I ask the Chancellor what steps the Government is taking... On | :32:38. | :32:48. | |
trade,... Can I just press on? I'm worries about time. Entrees, there | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
are significant uncertainties created for the trading with Europe. | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
-- on trade. Can I ask the Government what is the Government | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
putting in place to support supply trains threatened either severance | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
of these ties and the falling value of the pound. On finance, the exit | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
from the EU threatens the UK's status as a global financial sector. | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
A number of major banks have ordered that in place plans to move jobs | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
from the UK. They are fearful of the loss of their European Union | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
passport, allowing them to win business across the EU. We need to | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
know from the governments on how they will ensure those passport | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
rights are retained. I hear one negotiation position is to offer | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
statements with some controls on freedom of movement, but Mike at the | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
last bank passport in rights. This is clearly moved to encourage bank | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
migration from London. The resignation of the Finance | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
Commissioner means that the UK currently has no voice at the | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
commission level to argue for UK finance. What steps will the | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
Government take to ensure that the voice of UK finance continues to be | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
heard in Europe? Cameo also press the Government to establish a | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
working group to monitor the ongoing threat to the UK's financial | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
stability, working with representatives from across the | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
financial industry? To conclude, it would just be wrong of me not to | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
mention the threat that have been made to community cohesion following | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
the vote to leave. I was very concerned to hear about the attacks | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
on the Polish community. Any such attacks must be condemned outright | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
by the whole House. I have a Polish community in my own constituency. | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
The Polish War Memorial Dubai stand testimony to the sacrifice of Polish | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
pilots during the Second World War. I've attended many meetings at the | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
Polish Centre in Hammersmith which was so disgracefully attacked. I set | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
my message of solidarity to this community and anyone else suffering | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
from this rising racism. Can I ask the Government what mechanisms in | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
particular are going to be put in place with local government leaders | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
and community mayors to help resolve the situation and resource | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
programmes that will be brought forward? In conclusion, we will get | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
through this period of uncertainty, as Britain has done many times in | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
the past. We will get through. There are real strength in our economy, | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
not least in our talented and dedicated workforce. Nonetheless, | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
volatility to continue and they remain grave concerns about | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
Britain's future relationship with our European partners and in the | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
wider world. The future strategy is not yet determined, but Michael and | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
me say from the side of the House, we are prepared, in the national | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
interest to work with the Government and our parliamentary colleagues on | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
all sides to ensure the best interests of British people are | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
secured. I commend the motion to the House. | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
and a league and is the only order paper. I very much welcome this | :36:01. | :36:09. | |
opportunity to update Parliament and update the country on some of the | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
economic challenges which we now face. Can I take this opportunity to | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
welcome the member for Salford to chew her new position as shadow | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
chief secretary. I would welcome all the new members because it would be | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
like the presentation of the bills we have just seen. It is very good | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
the Shadow Chancellor is still in place and he has 80% of the support | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
to remain there. Can I respond to this sober debate with a message of | :36:43. | :36:50. | |
the issues and sundry was a man can I say from the outset that this is a | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
challenging time and a good opportunity for the House to discuss | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
these issues. We will not seek to divide the House on the motion | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
today. The message of the assurance and realism begins with the realism | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
that I have never shied away from telling the country the truth, as I | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
have seen it, about our economic challenges and be faced significant | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
economic challenges as a result of the referendum decision last week. I | :37:19. | :37:27. | |
want to provide reassurance that we are about as well-placed as we could | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
possibly be to meet these challenges that lie ahead. The Shadow | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
Chancellor was correct to raise problems like low productivity | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
growth which bedevil many western economies, but the British economy | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
has been the strongest of the advanced economies in the world in | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
recent years, capital requirements and our banks are ten times higher | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
than before the financial crisis, inflation is low and stable and | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
disposable incomes have been growing. These things didn't happen | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
by accident but because over the last six M years we took difficult | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
and often painful decisions to strengthen our economy and rebuild | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
our banks, we said we would fix the roof and thank goodness we made the | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
progress we did. I will just say this before giving way. While I've | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
personally gave everything to campaigning for the different | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
outcome, we sought a clear result and I accept that result, the | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
government accepts that result and we need to implement that decision | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
and deliver for the British people on the instructions given us. As the | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
ten year cost of borrowing has fallen to under 1%, a record low, | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
doesn't this mean there will be a windfall element from lower interest | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
charges, and will the government consider funding the debt longer at | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
this advantageous time for a borrowing? My honourable friend is | :39:02. | :39:14. | |
right to point to the fall in UK yields, but there has been something | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
of a flight to safety and they would say it is because of the last six M | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
years that we have made UK Government debt a safe haven in | :39:22. | :39:31. | |
stormy waters. We can take pride collectively that we have done that | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
and it is different from the situation six years ago when yields | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
were increasing in the face of economic difficulty, but in terms of | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
the financing of the debt, I have only number of occasions changed the | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
skew of the debt management office's purchase plan and made sure we have | :39:52. | :39:59. | |
longer dated it than we would have otherwise had. One of the reasons | :40:00. | :40:08. | |
why international investors have confidence in the UK market is | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
because we don't chop and change every week, so while my right | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
honourable friend makes a good point I don't think we should immediately | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
respond to the events of the last week by changing your financing the | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
net. The message we need to send it is one of stability and reassurance | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
and that leads to the plan I believe we should be following. It involves | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
ensuring financial stability, precisely what we have been doing | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
these last few days. In the run-up to the referendum, the Treasury will | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
work closely with the Bank of England and the Financial Conduct | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
Authority to put in place robust contingency plans. I met only number | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
of occasions with the Governor of the Bank of England and the monetary | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
policy committee had special meetings to discuss those | :41:01. | :41:08. | |
contingency plans. Our bank regulator worked systematically with | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
each of the major financial institutions to make sure they were | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
financially sound and prepared for whatever outcome the would have. | :41:15. | :41:24. | |
People will have seen that this week from the results that liquidity has | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
been provided and we have been working very closely over the last | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
few days alongside finance ministers, central bank governors | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
across the G-7 and the nations of the European Union, to make sure we | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
are monitoring developments closely and are ready to respond. The | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
president of the ECB provided that update yesterday and the Prime | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
Minister reported that early, and the report he gave was not | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
particularly rosy. These contingency plans were designed to prevent | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
disorder, not to stop markets adjusting to the new economic | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
reality, and I can assure the House today, capital liquidity remains | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
strong and this morning we have seen greater stability in bank share | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
prices and currency markets are continuing to function effectively. | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
There have been significant adjustments and we have to be | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
realistic about the impact of the referendum on financial markets. The | :42:33. | :42:41. | |
resilience of our banks and the stability is to be welcomed but it | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
is quite clearly at the price of pumping so much central bank money | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
into the system, that bank share prices are falling, and the future | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
of of the commercial prospects of banks have been damaged. I would say | :43:00. | :43:09. | |
that the stability of our financial institutions as they are for people | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
to see and it has been assured by our regulators. If he says that the | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
market is making new assessments about the future earnings of banks, | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
yes, they are, and it is quite striking, it is not banks that face | :43:27. | :43:35. | |
the European and international economy that have seen the sharp | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
falls. We need to be realistic that markets will make those kinds of | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
adjustments, and it is striking, the sharpest one-day fall against the | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
dollar for a decade. Equity markets, largely companies that face the UK | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
domestic market, fell by 14% and are now 9% below their level will stop | :43:59. | :44:06. | |
and the particular sectors that have been affected are British retail | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
banking, house-building and short-haul airlines. I wonder if he | :44:14. | :44:26. | |
could acknowledge also the benefits of a weaker exchange rate? 40 | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
country running a large trade deficit having a we could exchange | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
rate will make a large difference to exporters and it will mean we are | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
more likely now to avoid deflation that people were forecasting would | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
hit us. Where I would agree with my honourable friend is that if | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
free-floating currency is a shock absorber, we have the benefit of not | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
having a fixed exchange rate, and we are not part of the single currency. | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
The currency can take some of the strain and that is reflected in the | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
currency market. The only thing I would caution my honourable friend | :45:10. | :45:17. | |
on is that in 2008 we saw a sharp fall in sterling and that was | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
sustained. It didn't lead to the blistering exports people expected | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
at that point. That was partly because other markets were | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
depressed, European markets, but also because as we came to discover | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
integrated supply chain is these days are more international and a | :45:38. | :45:50. | |
car exporter from the UK might benefit in terms of the price the | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
card so that, but it will be importing parts and will have seen | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
import prices rise, and retailers are also warning us that prices in | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
supermarkets may arise because of the currency, but we will wait and | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
see. The other challenge we face is from the credit rating agencies. Not | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
that everything they say is gospel... But we unfortunately lost | :46:20. | :46:27. | |
our triple-A rating with standard and tours and were downgraded two | :46:28. | :46:36. | |
notches. Can he tell me whether or not we will still be using | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
quantitative easing and when did that end if not? The Shadow | :46:41. | :46:48. | |
Chancellor raised concerns about monetary policy. The Bank of England | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
is independent and the monetary policy committee set out the | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
challenging trade-off that it might face between a fall in output and | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
the rise in inflation. We will have to wait and see how monetary policy | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
response to that trade-off but it has to make that judgment, and | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
specifically with regards to quantitative easing, the central | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
bank has not been undertaking quantitative easing but the | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
arrangements that would have been put in place by my predecessor | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
remain in place. The authorisation arrangements remain. Any of the | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
monetary policy instruments they have their toolkit they will be able | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
to use but that is entirely a judgment for them. We will wait and | :47:38. | :47:45. | |
see how they respond to the challenges they face. Let me give | :47:46. | :47:52. | |
way and then I will make some progress. This June, the sun is not | :47:53. | :48:01. | |
shining and I have been contacted like many MPs with wishes to delve | :48:02. | :48:11. | |
into the second referendum. Can the chance or spell out if he believes | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
that even looking at a referendum would do massive damage to finance | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
and delay and disrupt further infrastructure projects which are so | :48:22. | :48:29. | |
vital to our communities? I am very clear, although I passionately | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
fought for remaining in the EU, not because I was a massive fun, but | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
because I thought it was better for Britain to be in the EU than | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
outside, but I absolutely accept the result of the referendum and I don't | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
think it's credible in the days after the referendum result to say | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
that people got it wrong and we need to elect new people. We need to | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
respect in our democracy the result the British people have given us and | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
as representatives of the population, I think our obligation | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
is to get on and deliver what they have asked us to deliver to the best | :49:09. | :49:19. | |
of our ability. I may say he has been very candid in his remarks this | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
afternoon, but when he reflects on where we are, I notice Goldman Sachs | :49:25. | :49:35. | |
have downgraded their profit forecast by 10 million euros over | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
the course of the next two years. When we reflect on what that means | :49:41. | :49:48. | |
for UK tax receipts, does he not reflect this has been a self induced | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
problem created by the Conservative government, and does he not have any | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
regrets that it is the Conservative Party through an internal dispute | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
that has got us into this terrible mess? | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
The short answer to that is, no I don't. I do not think it is wrong in | :50:05. | :50:11. | |
a democracy to ask the people on very big constitutional issues. In | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
all the years I have been a Member of Parliament, and indeed before, | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
this question of our relationship with the EU has hung over our | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
political system and our body politic. I'm surprised to hear a | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
Scottish Nationalist raising doubts about the effectiveness of | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
referendums, but there we go. Let me like progress and then I will give a | :50:35. | :50:41. | |
further. We have had fought through contingency plans, those plans | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
remain in place should financial conditions deteriorate. We are | :50:45. | :50:53. | |
absolutely determined that unlike eight years ago the financial system | :50:54. | :51:02. | |
will help ameliorate those financial issues rather than contribute to | :51:03. | :51:09. | |
them. We have two except that there is evidence that some investment | :51:10. | :51:16. | |
decisions will continue to be caused as firms adjust to the uncertainty | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
caused by the referendum. So the first part of our plan, financial | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
stability, has to be to remove that uncertainty as quickly as is | :51:27. | :51:28. | |
possible in a democratic system. I give away. | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
I thank the Chancellor. European Union funds have helped economic | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
development in my constituency. So what measures is the Chancellor | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
going to take so that areas like south Wales continue to receive | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
support and infrastructure to help boost jobs in our valleys? | :51:49. | :51:56. | |
I think we are going to these big questions about providing support to | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
institutions, regions and sectors that have been receiving European | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
Union assistance. Most that apply, the regional support that has been | :52:06. | :52:12. | |
provided to South Wales, the support that they EU provided to research in | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
our universities, the support to our farming community. We are going to | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
have to address all of those issues in this House of Commons over the | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
coming months and perhaps longer than that. Closer than that, we | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
remain a member of European Union, and am coming onto the procedure of | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
how it apart. So those funds continue, and European grants | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
continue to be made. We are looking specifically at areas where | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
questions have been asked about the long-term answers to particular | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
project. I will keep the House updated. It is a challenging | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
question that we have to answer, and we're looking at it very | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
intensively. At the moment, nothing has changed, we remain a member of | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
the European Union. And that brings me to this point, the honourable | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
gentleman's question of trying to resolve that uncertainty as quickly | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
as is practical about the new relationship we seek with the | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
European Union, and our European neighbours. Again, I think we may | :53:16. | :53:18. | |
need a bit of realism and to offer reinsurance. Because it is apparent | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
that uncertainty will only be fully resolved after we come to agreement | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
as a country about the relationship we want with our European partners. | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
And that agreement is then negotiated with our European | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
partners and agreed. We know what the broad options are. The | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
Government has spelt them out over the last few months and the Treasury | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
and Cabinet Office papers that were reduced in advance of the | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
referendum. We set out different models of relationship. The European | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
Economic Area, that we could join, like Norway. A new bilateral | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
agreements, like Canada or the Swiss model. The World Trade Organisation | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
rules that we could rely on. And as the Prime Minister has set out at | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
this dispatch box, the Government has set out a new unity at the heart | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
of the Government made up of some of the very best of our civil servants. | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
That will make a decision and report to Cabinet, but I stress that other | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
departments can feed into that work that is now taking place so that we | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
have the fullest possible information on the decision we are | :54:31. | :54:33. | |
going to have to collectively take as a Parliament on the new | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
relationship we want with Europe. My personal view is clear - we should | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
be moving towards an arrangement which provides us with the closest | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
possible economic ties with error European neighbours. Cost a half our | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
exports go to the Europe union. Millions of jobs are supported by | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
our trade with the European Union. And of course, leading industries | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
are reliant upon that relationship. Car manufacturers, farmers, as | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
services industry. We should be moving towards an arrangement, in my | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
view, where if we negotiate, the trade in both goods and services, | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
including financial services, is as free as possible. In the meantime, | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
of course, coming back to appoint point and made earlier, UK firms | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
continue to have exactly the same status as any other EU firms. | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
Business continues in the city and elsewhere, including in Europe | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
dominating and financial markets. We have to be realistic about this, we | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
must acknowledge that we cannot have all the benefits of the EU without | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
accepting any of the costs and obligations. It will be for this | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
Parliament to decide what the accommodations and compromises | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
should be. I give way. I am grateful. So much of the Leave | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
argument was predicated on shifting our focus to the world beyond | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
Europe. If the Chancellor agrees with that assumption, then we need | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
to make sure we can get there. Given the expansion of Heathrow would | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
deliver a ?16 billion by that finance shot in the arm, after ?211 | :56:15. | :56:21. | |
billion of growth outside of the Southeast, thousands of jobs and | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
apprenticeships, then I urge the Chancellor to commit to giving his | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
side a free vote and efficient, safe in the knowledge that on this side | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
there will be sufficient votes to compel that result. | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
We are awaiting the work that is being done on air quality around the | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
output. I think when we talked about that some months ago, people were a | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
bit dismissive of it as an issue. Actually, in the London mayoral | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
contest, the new Mayor of London, he raised an equality issues which did | :57:00. | :57:07. | |
resonate with Londoners. I think it is unfortunate before Parliament | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
makes a decision that we have addressed issues concerns around air | :57:13. | :57:20. | |
quality. I don't think this is going to be anything new if I tell the | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
House is going to be a controversial decision when we come to take it. I | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
think it is very important that the one cries foul over the process, and | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
we can then make a decision on the merits of the issue. My view is that | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
we need additional runway capacity, and whether capacity should come | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
from must be a matter first for the Government and then for Parliament. | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
I give way and then will make progress. | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
I am grateful. On that issue of runway capacity in the Southeast, as | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
in so many issues, Northern Ireland has a very direct interest, and we | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
want to see a decision taken on the issue raised by the honourable | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
gentleman as well, as quickly as possible. In that regard, and in | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
relation to issues the Chancellor has been talking about, then he is | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
surely that the Treasury is talking to the Northern Ireland Executive so | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
that the interests and concerns of Northern Ireland are very much in | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
the thinking of Her Majesty is Government is going forward? | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
That dialogue is taking place, and I assure him it will continue to take | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
place. We were on different sides of the argument when it came to the | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
referendum, but he, like me, shares a view of Britain that is we need to | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
be open to the world, trading with the world, in my view that means | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
sufficient airport capacity to fly to the world and allow the world to | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
fight us. I'm sure that is universally accepted across the | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
House of Commons. But we will find out. Let me make some progress. | :58:58. | :59:06. | |
The challenge now, one I think that we can rise to working through | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
collective discussion and decision-making, what the new | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
relationship is that we seek with the European Union. We are clear | :59:14. | :59:20. | |
that until we have an agreed approach, we should not trigger the | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
Article 50, which begins the process of exiting the European Union. As | :59:26. | :59:29. | |
the Prime Minister said, bring Article 50 as rightly a decision for | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
the new Prime Minister, and that new Government. And it is a decision | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
that we will take at the right time, when we're ready, and not before. | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
And of course, the economic uncertainty will mean that there | :59:44. | :59:49. | |
will be an impact on private finances -- public finances. The OBR | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
will make a statement this autumn, I don't think the OBR... To get the | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
best possible focus on the OBR, we have to wait for the dust to settle | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
a little. But the OBR will make its assessments, and who will be for the | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
new Government under a new Prime Minister to make decisions about | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
adjustments that will be required to meet the new fiscal realities. But | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
we should never forget that fiscal stability in Seattle at the bedrock | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
of the economic security. -- absolute bedrock. I went to reassure | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
the House that our economy remains competitive, open to business, we | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
have the lowest corporate taxes in the T20, while people in work than | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
ever before thanks to welfare reforms. Asides are numerous of | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
these are world-class. The point has been made throughout the debate | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
within the country and these Parliament, I think when to go on | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
forging links with key partners, beyond Europe, like China and India. | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
I never thought that we had to choose between Europe and forging | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
new links with the rest of the world. German export three times | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
what we do to China, so it's clearly possible to do that within the | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
European Union. But outside the European Union, it is are more | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
important than ever before. I will be travelling to China next month as | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
part of the T20 finance ministers meeting there. To pick up another | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
point that the member for Harrow East made when he made an | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
intervention earlier, I have spoken to the US Treasury Secretary and the | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Speaker of Congress and the last couple of days about strengthening | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
our ties with great like America. Very grateful. Does he agree that it | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
is not just about new trade deals, it is about the supply chains he | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
mentioned earlier, and building customer relationships over many | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
decades, as we have with the European Union. He said they can't | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
make your trade from Europe one day to the USA or China the next. | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
My honourable friend is completely right. I don't think we should have | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
to choose between the two. It apparently possible to do it a lot | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
more business within America and China and the like was doing a lot | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
of this is with Europe. That would be a key part of Britain's economic | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
strength going forward. As I say, respecting the decision of the | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
British people to leave the EU, in my view, we should now be seeking | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
the closest possible terms of trade with the EU, not just in goods, but | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
also in services, including financial services. The third and | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
final part of the plan and will even need to pursue now is something that | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
the Shadow Chancellor touched upon. We think of it as a social issue | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
that has economic ramifications as well. We must unite across the | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
political spectrum and offer a very loud and clear message to this | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
country that we have no tolerance of intolerance, hatred and bigotry will | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
stop we need to send a message of reassurance to all communities and | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
our very successful, multiphase democracy that we are not going to | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
tolerate those who will deride us. The reports of graffiti on the | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
Polish community Centre in Hammersmith, the reports are people | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
who have lived in that country for decades, been told, we voted you | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
out. The increase in hate crimes, all of these point to incidences | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
that are appalling and unacceptable. It is not the British way, we should | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
unite in condemning it. The Prime Minister and might honourable friend | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
the Home Office minister was sitting at some of the additional steps we | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
now taking to combat this and tolerance. But in this economic | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
faith, I would say that business leaders should also pay their part | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
and any type of intimidation in the workhouse workplace should be | :03:44. | :03:51. | |
stamped out, and all nationalities are welcome within the United | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
Kingdom. Those are the three key things we need to do now. Going | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
securing financial stability. Make sure we resolve the economic | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
uncertainty that has been created by working together to determine the | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
model for our new relationship with the EU. Third, sending out a strong | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
message that we will not tolerate intolerance. If we deliver on these | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
three parts of the plan, and will be doing the best we can to make this | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
work written, and the best we can do to fulfil the instructions of the | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
British people. I must be straight with people in this country, the | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
weeks and months ahead will not be easy. That has always been the case | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
in our history. It is the moments of greatest challenge that our country | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
must damage it is great as resolve as it often does. | :04:40. | :04:49. | |
Can I thank these Shadow Chancellor and the Chancellor for their | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
speeches. We agree entirely and will bring forward constructive measures | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
to bring about confidence and stability to the markets. I also | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
think that the Shadow Chancellor was right that we cannot hide, we must | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
have a robust critique of what this may mean. I'll also say, to the | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
Chancellor, that today, the first majority of the criticism which I do | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
make will not be erected at him at all, rather to those who led the | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
Brexit campaign. Once again, who since the referendum are absent from | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
the chamber. We will support the motion before us | :05:31. | :05:44. | |
because we agree with much of it, the huge and real risks of Scotland | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
being ripped from the EU and the damage it can cause to jobs and | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
prosperity. Much more importantly, the failure of those advocating | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
Brexit to have any plan if they won. It is worth noting that when we had | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
our first independence referendum, it was based on a 650 page White | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
Paper, a detailed plan, a clear prospectus for what would happen. | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
What the Brexit campaign leaders had, the member for Oxbridge, what | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
they had prepared was a few scribbled notes on the back of Nigel | :06:28. | :06:37. | |
Farage's cigarette packet. He refers to the first referendum and he would | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
recall one of the big issues with the currency to be used by an | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
independent Scotland. In terms of the bill being drafted, is there an | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
assumption they would no longer use the pound? We had a really better | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
fix the problems caused by this Brexit decision and then if we | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
remain unable to secure a place in the EU by any other means, the | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
honourable gentleman will be more than welcome to scrutinise the plan. | :07:06. | :07:16. | |
I will give way. The honourable gentleman makes an eloquent point | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
but he's totally wrong. I have to set fire to his strawman. The | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
distinction between a general election with the policy programme | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
and the party ready to take over, with a fixed platform of policy, is | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
different to that of a referendum. The referendum result is an | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
instruction to deliver by the government which should have at the | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
time being ready to take instructions. We're now seeing the | :07:43. | :07:50. | |
consequence of a lack of planning and the expectation that those who | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
campaigned to stay in should be preparing the work for those who | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
wanted to leave is preposterous and the extreme. We have to back this | :08:01. | :08:11. | |
motion because the people of Scotland force is overwhelmingly to | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
remain in the EU, because we have shown ourselves to be a modern, | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
outward looking and inclusive country, and because I share the | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
views of the others. We look on in horror as community cohesion is | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
under threat as the racists and bigots think this is the green light | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
to abuse anyone from any other background. It is not and we | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
unreservedly contend that racism and bigotry. Let's look at what happened | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
in Scotland on the day of the referendum. The people they made it | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
clear they see their future as part of the EU. 62% of the Scottish | :08:53. | :09:01. | |
people voted to stay in the EU compared to 59% voting to leave, | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
only 30% in Scotland chose to do that. 1.5 million people voted | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
remain, each and every one of the 32 council idiots ported to remain, the | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
only nation in the UK with a clean sweep of local authorities, and the | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
turnout was the second highest of any referendum held in Scotland, | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
even higher than the 1997 referendum on devolution. While I understand | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
what the Chancellor said about respecting the will of the UK | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
people, I hope that same will apply to respecting the will of the | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
Scottish nation who have clearly said the intent to stay. I am most | :09:47. | :10:00. | |
grateful. -- would the honourable gentleman be able to say that if it | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
came to a vote on the floor of the House whether to implement article | :10:06. | :10:14. | |
50, with the SNP say no? The government have made it clear it | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
would be for the next government to bring forward the votes are we have | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
until September or October at the earliest to decide whether or not to | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
do that. We are disappointed the UK voted to leave and that is not what | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
we wanted but the priority must now be to stabilise markets and protect | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
the economy. That is why our first ministers in Brussels today and why | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
she has sent the government is exploding each and every potential | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
avenue to maintain Scotland's EU status because that is where the | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
instability is coming from. Let me say one more thing about the | :10:56. | :11:05. | |
previous referendum. It is democratically unacceptable for | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
Scotland to be removed from the EU against its will, and the irony of | :11:09. | :11:17. | |
this as we were told Time after time in our independence referendum that | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
the threat to membership of the EU came from independence. Alistair | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Darling told us that in 2012, Ruth Davidson told us that in 2014. She | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
said, it is dense -- it is disingenuous to say no means oath | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
and yes men's end when the opposite is true. Even the Better Together | :11:38. | :11:46. | |
campaign tweeted the same, what was the process for removing our EU | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
citizenship? Voting yes. How wrong and how misleading that was. It was | :11:52. | :12:00. | |
never a threat from independence but it was and is now very much in | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
jeopardy only because of the UK decision. I will move on. Now is the | :12:05. | :12:17. | |
time for measured reflection with First Minister doing everything to | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
secure our European status and to provide as much reassurance and | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
certainty as we can over the next days and weeks, and being reassuring | :12:28. | :12:35. | |
to those individuals from the EU and further afield, because we believe | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
as most in this house believes, they remain welcome and appreciated here. | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
We must also do all we can to help restore financial stability and | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
reassure the business community and emphasise that now we remain within | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
the EU and trade and business should continue as usual, and we should do | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
all we can to those planning" investment this remains a place one | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
should invest capital with confidence. And why is this | :13:07. | :13:16. | |
important? Because the FTSE 100 dropped by 8.4% on the morning of | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
24th of June. On the 27th, the downward trend continued and late | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
afternoon the FTSE was down 2.5%. The Friday morning sudden drop meant | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
130 billion was wiped off UK blue-chip stocks within minutes, and | :13:40. | :13:47. | |
I see Chancellor said, banks and house-builders had the biggest | :13:48. | :13:56. | |
falls. During Monday morning, trading in the shares of both | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
Barclays and RBS was briefly halted as the losses exceeded 10% of stock | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
value. After trading was restarted the share prices in both countries | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
continue to fall and move wildly due to the uncertainty. The FTSE 250 | :14:12. | :14:21. | |
index, which has more businesses exposed to the domestic market, fell | :14:22. | :14:30. | |
even further. 7.2%, 1200 points. Extraordinary falls and changes. A | :14:31. | :14:40. | |
50% slump in the values of some stocks. I will give way. Does he | :14:41. | :14:50. | |
accept that whilst recognising the figures he quotes, the FTSE 100 is | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
currently trading at a value higher than for most of the last six | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
months. I will come to the recovery in certain areas and just a moment | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
because the honourable gentleman is right when it comes to the FTSE 100, | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
but let me come to all of the embassies and we will see the deal | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
damage and how it is playing out. It was not just stock prices, the | :15:19. | :15:27. | |
sterling was trading at $1 45 and it fell, almost twice the fall than in | :15:28. | :15:36. | |
1992 when the UK was forced out of the exchange rate mechanism on Black | :15:37. | :15:45. | |
Wednesday. Of course the FTSE 100 is going to rebound a bit because the | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
vast majority of the businesses it said of the United Kingdom. If you | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
look at the end this is like FTSE 250, much more domestically exposed, | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
the fall has been catastrophic. That is absolutely correct. The key | :16:01. | :16:09. | |
point, whether the index moves up or down at any given time, the exposure | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
to the UK market and the lack of confidence at the moment is | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
precisely what is driving that uncertainty. I won't give way at the | :16:19. | :16:29. | |
moment. The fall in the pound was twice that in 1992 and by Monday | :16:30. | :16:39. | |
27th at fell another 2% down to $1 32, a 30 year low. Mutterings from | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
everyone who wants things to be fine. We have had a near three | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
decade low in the pound because of the actions taken by the Brexit | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
campaign feeling to have a plan to deal with this eventuality. That is | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
the crux of the matter. The value of the pound against the euro fell | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
almost 6% on Friday 24th and on Monday 27th it fell again. Most | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
alarming, given the stock placed on it, was that the UK lost its | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
triple-A credit rating, certainly from Standard Poor's. They said | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
the referendum result could cause a deterioration in the UK financial | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
performance. It was the first time Standard Poor's have downgraded a | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
triple a rated sovereign by two notches in one go. By Friday, | :17:43. | :17:53. | |
Moody's topped the ratings from stable to negative, and by changing | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
that Outlook it has warned the UK rating has a risk of being lowered | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
and with that comes the risk of higher borrowing costs. That is | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
before we get to the real world and job security. The Institute of | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
directors surveyed 1000 of its members and found a plan to freeze | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
recruitment among a quarter. The BBC have reported HSBC plan to move up | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
to 1000 staff from London to Paris. People who work processing payments | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
in euros for HSBC. Others are deeply concerned about the loss of passport | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
arrangements so that they don't have to have different authorisation for | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
individuals in countries. These are very deal concerns and they are | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
being whitewashed by those desperate to leave because of the absence of a | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
plan to deal with the issues that should have been thought about and | :18:53. | :19:01. | |
considered an advance. The leaders of the Brexit campaign are | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
conspicuous by their absence in this chamber which is perhaps not a | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
prizegiving the embarrassment they are faced with -- they are facing. | :19:08. | :19:15. | |
The energy minister said the volatility we are seeing is not | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
unusual volatility. Does that not just underline the complete economic | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
illiteracy of the case, that they think these unprecedented changes | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
are not unusual. If the pound falls by twice its record fall in the | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
past, I suppose now one sensible should describe that as run of the | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
mill. In that regard my honourable friend is right. In regard to the | :19:41. | :19:50. | |
end this is, it is right as I said that the FTSE 100 has pretty much | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
bounce back to its pre-referendum level as of earlier today. The FTSE | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
250 is not yet back to the position on Monday. | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
Pound versus sterling is not changed and is bouncing along the bottom, | :20:06. | :20:13. | |
pound versus euros is not changed since the fall and bouncing along | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
the bottom and the real concern ... The real concern is we are worried | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
this uncertainty will last for very long time, not least because of the | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
proposed that this decision for those advocating Brexit not even to | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
try to invoke the article 15 negotiations immediately. Not so | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
much a man without a plan, as a Campion without a clue. -- Article | :20:43. | :20:51. | |
50. I am not going to give way. We do know that many of the underlying | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
problems in the economy are deep rooted and long-term. One of the | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
arguments posited by the outcome been money currently going to the EU | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
could be spent here at home. But we don't need to leave the EU to | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
reverse the decision to convert innovation funding from grants to | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
loans to support new product development. We don't need to leave | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
the EU to reverse the cuts to export support to help businesses sell more | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
overseas. We don't need to leave the EU to abandon an economic plan to | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
cut 40 billion more than is necessary to run a current Alan | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
Stubbs count. We don't need to end our membership of the EU to do these | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
things. We do need an end to austerity. And the other argument | :21:44. | :21:50. | |
which the Brexit campaigners posited was that we need to take back | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
control, in their reports, in order to achieve improvements in all of | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
the economic metrics. The problem with that is countries within the EU | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
are doing better on every single measure. Malta and the Czech | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
Republic have lower unemployment. Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
have higher employment. Ireland has higher GDP growth. The story and | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
Bulgaria have lower debt to GDP reseals. And in terms of | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
productivity, and I am coming to an end... The productivity against the | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
UK is higher in the entire euro area, higher in Austria, Sweden, | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
Denmark, Germany, France, Netherlands, Ireland. All of the | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
things which we want to see done can be done within the EU self evidently | :22:48. | :22:56. | |
the case. This is a Brexit Campion without a plan, leading to the chaos | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
we are seeing now and potentially difficulties in the economy for many | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
years to come. Of course we need to get on one way or another and | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
resolve this and fix it and work with the hand we've been dealt but I | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
would end with this, if we are expected to respect the decision | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
across the whole of the UK, we would expect the same respect for the | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
decision taken by the people of Scotland to stay in the EU. | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
If we can stick to ten minutes each I will not have to impose a speech | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
limit. We can then get everyone in. Thank you, it is a great privilege | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
to speak in this debate and I welcome this, it is what we should | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
be doing. There is a lot of excitement out in the rest of the | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
estate at the moment. I'm following this enormous decision and its | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
consequences we should be sitting here as a pipe parliament and | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
discussing this. And I very much welcome... -- packed parliament. I | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
very much welcome the point by the Shadow Chancellor for the need for a | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
cross-party approach because potentially, this is bigger than any | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
party or any leader, no matter how charismatic or experienced. I will | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
give way. Thank you. Explain to the House by this is an opposition | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
debate and the government didn't call a debate on the economy after | :24:25. | :24:32. | |
Brexit. I'm not an expert, it was a slot allocated for opposition | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
anyway, and there was a statement on the European summit. I campaigned | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
for a Remain vote and argued positively, getting out what was the | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
positive case, and we created a cry wolf situation where, if you warn of | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
things too often, eventually people ignore you even when you are right. | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
And to be honest some of those predictions are coming right. And | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
the best way to look at this, because I believe the country can | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
come through this and come together and be stronger eventually, but to | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
do so we have to recognise initially what we have lost. The strength that | :25:12. | :25:19. | |
we have given up. One way to do this, I very good film is Sliding | :25:20. | :25:29. | |
Doors. We know what we have at the moment, resignation of a great Prime | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
Minister, the issue of Scotland, we have opened a Pandora's box again, | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
and we have undoubtedly in turbulence in financial markets and | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
profound uncertainty. At the very best we have a crisis of | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
uncertainty. We hope that does not manifest into real pain in the | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
economy. But it's quite obvious, it must be, that there is a genuine | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
risk of that, and that is what we have to deal with. We had Fitch | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
morning as today about 5% reduction in investment. And the biggest | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
threat is what may happen with inward investment. We must remember | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
the current account deficit issue and the country is dependent on | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
inward investment. If those foreign firms look less positively at this | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
country we will pay a high price. I mentioned that film because one has | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
to say, if we had ordered the other should train to Romania in the | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
referendum, and I wish that had been the case,... LAUGHTER | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
The gentleman has a fantastic sense of humour himself. And shared by his | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
party. If we had boarded that should train, today we would still have the | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
Prime Minister in position for years to come, we would have a stock | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
market that has strengthened, economic confidence Fenton, currency | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
strengthened, and I think we would have put not to get permanently but | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
would have put to bed to one side in a strong with this issue of Europe | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
and Scotland, these have bedevilled our politics for so long, and | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
instead we have instability. If we had remained we would have a strong | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
position instead of all this uncertainty and weakness. We have to | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
recognise that. Whatever arrangements are negotiated for the | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
future, to me, the simple point is they must compensate for that and | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
restore those strengths and assets, not least the fact Britain | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
historically has been seen as a beacon of trust, a country you would | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
put your life savings into, with a profound sense around the world that | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
we have respect for law and are stable and sound. At the moment, one | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
could forgive the world for thinking that was not the case. It seems to | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
be the case in other European countries. So how do we restore | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
those games? First and foremost, when entering anything, such as with | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
a second reading of a bill, we have to decide on the principles of | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
negotiations that we are going to have with European partners. What | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
will be the fundamentals of going forward? There are three key points | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
I want to focus on. The first is about openness. To me one of the | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
most extraordinary comments in the referendum campaign was when a key | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
figure in the Leave campaign, during the concerns about steel, made the | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
point that if we left the EU we could unilaterally impose tariffs on | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
Chinese steel. There may be a showcase for that but I think it | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
betrayed the fact that when I commenced becomes nationalistic, | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
particularly economically nationalistic, we inevitably come to | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
the threat of protectionism. We have heard many times about how Britain | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
would negotiate good trade arrangements, the point that we have | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
deficits with the EU, they will want to trade with us after all, look at | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
the might of cars we buy from them. But if they don't we would consider | :29:04. | :29:12. | |
protectionism. I will give way. I am grateful and wondered if you | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
recognise, realising we are on different sides, that the EU itself | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
was a protectionist block, the idea of the EU is a common tariff area | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
and would collectively impose significant tariffs on other part of | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
the world, some of which have impoverished nations in the Third | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
World. I accept your point about the EU as a whole, the single market as | :29:38. | :29:46. | |
a single tariff free market, and and asset that we can remain in the | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
single market and we should at all costs. But the point about openness | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
is important, and about the message we send. We have agreed the threat | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
to inward investment, actually existential threat to our economy. | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
And we should not just send a message that they are open to | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
business but will be in if you like the principles of our economy, not | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
resulting to protectionism. Bringing me to the second point that any | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
negotiation about any new arrangements must be in a tone and | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
manner of goodwill. We must be seeking an arrangement that is not | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
just in our interests but in the interests of the strong European | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
Union. This is absolutely fundamental. That is why to me, | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
whoever goes to undertake those negotiations with our European | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
partners must be someone who is trusted as having a sense that they | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
want to see something that works for both parties, and I think that, I | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
worry about people going to negotiate with a body they have | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
spent many months criticising extremely heavy. My third point in | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
terms of these principles is about fiscal policy, because whatever we | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
do, if we want to maintain the sense we are signed and winning back the | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
sense we are stable in the world, we have to continue with a fiscally | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
prudent regime, continue to take tough decisions, and continue to | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
commit to balancing the books and reaching a surplus. That message | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
would inspire confidence in investors and help to restore | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
stability we are seeking. I am happy to give way. Before you conclude, | :31:24. | :31:31. | |
would you agree with me that a very important start has been made on | :31:32. | :31:38. | |
building up this mutual trust by the candour and openness with which both | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
the prime and is and the Chancellor have accepted the verdict of the | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
people, even though it went against their own strongly held beliefs. -- | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
the Prime Minister. And we should carry that forward by ensuring we | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
observe the spirit and letter of the people's decision. I do agree, and | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
that was my last point, talking about why this decision came about, | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
and while it is true that we have to accept the decision of the people, | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
we also have to understand the prospectus upon which we believe the | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
people voted to reach that decision and have to be honest about what | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
that prospectus was. A few days ago, we had an article from my friend the | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
Mayor of London, of whom I am a huge fan, who said it is said that those | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
who voted Leave were driven by anxieties about immigration, I do | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
not believe that is so. All I can say is the huge turnout we saw in | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
working class areas of this country, Council estates and so on, was not | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
because people were saying they did not get a say on the Lisbon Treaty, | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
but the issue of immigration which was pushed in an inflammatory way | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
through the debate and if anyone wants proof of that I have received, | :32:56. | :33:05. | |
some of which are shocking and horrific, some too shocking to read | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
out. That campaign was driven by concerns about immigration and we | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
have to accept that. That means it makes things very difficult for us | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
because when we negotiate we have to find a way of preserving all of | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
these economic strength I referred to, yet finding a way to control | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
immigration from the European Union. Because if one was to boil down the | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
explicit underlying nature of the prospectus from boat Leave it was | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
unskilled immigration from the EU. -- from the Leave void. You cannot | :33:36. | :33:46. | |
come unskilled from outside of Q3, because we get those from outside of | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
the EU. Finding that balance will be difficult. It is possible with the | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
good faith and goodwill to the people we are negotiating with. | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, I want to welcome this debate and the | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
tour on behalf of this afternoon. Frankly after what has been an all | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
too often fail now debate, the tone of constructive engagement and | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
working together is something that is very, very important. It is down | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
to the leaders in this House to put the decency back into our democracy. | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
I like many people were shocked to hear the statements and the messages | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
and incidents that honourable members read out in the statement we | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
had earlier. We can't have that in this country. We are not going to | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
have that and it is a responsibility on all of our shoulders to ensure in | :34:40. | :34:46. | |
the team unity serve we stamp it out fast. I think however that it is | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
part of a decent democracy that people honour their promises. And | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
let's be honest, there were promises made in the campaign we have just | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
seen which have been broken into shreds, tatters, little bits and | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
pieces already. And it is a job for all of us to hold to account the | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
leaders of that Leave campaign who made promises that now appear not to | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
be honoured. We need to hang those promises are around their necks in | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
the months ahead, because frankly, or democracy cannot withstand too | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
many more broken promises. I want to speak in this debate | :35:27. | :35:41. | |
because I want to say we need to honour the people'sdecision. I think | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
they have given us a stark Somehow they have forgotten to put | :35:44. | :36:42. | |
the Home Office in the new EU unit, as though immigration was not an | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
important feature, it quite frankly beggars belief. We are blessed with | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
the European scrutiny committee. It scrutinises individual instruments | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
of EU legislation. It is chaired by that knuckle and commanding figure, | :37:00. | :37:09. | |
the member for storing. But it is not equipped to look at the big | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
picture or at the principles on which we need to agree, so I hope | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
the Prime Minister will take it seriously that we need a new joint | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
committee of both Houses to get to the bottom of the 6500 instruments | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
we need -- we may need to incorporate into law, including | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
those we might not like. Parliamentary sovereignty has just | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
been voted on. Parliament cannot be sovereign if Parliament is blind. | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
And we need to make sure we are equipped in this House with a method | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
of coming to agreement and making sure the right plan for a new | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
relationship is on the table. I give way. I'd like to thank him for | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
giving way. On the question of democracy and sovereignty which has | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
been raised, does he agree with me that the Government's attempt at | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
setting out a timetable for Brexit should also set out a timetable for | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
scrapping the House of Lords, so we don't have any more unelected | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
bureaucrats to decide day-to-day business? I'm grateful for his | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
intervention and I'm on his side when it comes to the House of Lords. | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
There is the proposal to cut the number of people in this House and | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
increased the other place by over 200 at the last count. It makes you | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
wonder what they ask a dog when it comes to democratic decisions. | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
However, I want to use my speech this afternoon to touch on some of | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
the principles that have to define that new relationship. -- what they | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
ask aired off. This is about national security. We have made | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
important progress and we have good ideas like the European arrest | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
warrant, and we have concerted action on sharing information around | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
crime and terrorism and watch lists. Terrorists do not into -- respect | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
international borders and neither must the fight against international | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
terrorism, and therefore it is essential that we agree and | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
collaborate and co-operate as much as possible with our neighbours when | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
it comes to the fight against crime and terror. Secondly, I think it is | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
quite clear from this election, and the honourable member for South | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
Suffolk made this point quite well, is that we will have to update the | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
principle of free movement and we will have to replace it with a new | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
principle of fair movement. I was the Immigration Minister who | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
introduced the points system for non-EU immigration into this country | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
and during the French presidency, it became clear to me that there was an | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
appetite across Europe for reform of the free movement directive. I wish, | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
and in fact I said then, that this would be a long struggle to get free | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
movement directive is reformed, but, quite frankly, the sooner we start, | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
the sooner we will finish. Surely we have to take that lesson and begin | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
putting on the table serious proposals of reform for free | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
movement? There are one free choices to make. We have to stop by | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
honouring the rights of those who are already here. -- there are over | :40:06. | :40:13. | |
1 million choices. Those who have chosen to make this home. But there | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
are questions about whether they are low skilled or high skilled and | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
questions on how long these macros should last. And whether those | :40:23. | :40:31. | |
rights should lead to whether that should -- whether that should lead | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
to citizenship. And about taxes being paid in. And a huge question | :40:35. | :40:41. | |
of how, as part of a new agreement on fair movement, this country steps | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
up to its international obligations to help those refugees struggling in | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
war zones in the Middle East. We should be doing far more to give | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
safe haven to refugees fleeing war zones and we should make that part | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
and parcel of our reform proposals for fair movement. As part and | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
parcel of this, I think we have to be very careful that we do not | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
damage the free movement of ideas. And that is why I would always argue | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
that students and scientists should be exempt, and alongside that, we | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
have to win sure that co-operation on ideas like intellectual capital | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
and international property protection are part of the new | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
arrangement. -- we must make sure. Thirdly, we must make sure there is | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
no race to the bottom on workers' rights and human rights. It was this | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
country, indeed it was one of our greatest prime ministers, who helped | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
found the Council of Europe. And over the decade we became among the | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
most important authors on human rights. We are the proud authors of | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
the course of justice and we must make sure there is no race to the | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
bottom of workers' rights and we must make we -- make sure we don't | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
enjoy second-class rights in this country. We have got also maximise | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
free trade and free movement of goods and capital throughout the | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
single market. And I think we will need to be honest that we are going | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
to pay a price for introducing some kind of restrictions on migration. | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
And I think we need to think quite carefully about what the prices that | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
we are prepared to pay. And that's why I personally feel that we need | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
to be introducing the minimal possible restrictions on free | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
movement. The fewest fetters possible. But of course when it | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
comes to free movement of trade and capital, we have to ensure that our | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
rights to tax revenue are protected. We have made some progress over the | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
last two years in making sure multinationals pay their share their | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
share of tax. Heaven knows, we have an awful long way to go. We know | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
hundreds of billions sheltered by European companies in tax havens. We | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
have to be in deep collaboration with Europe to make sure people pay | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
their fair share. Finally, we have to have a big debate about sharing | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
the burden is of our neighbourhood. Good neighbours don't shirk their | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
duties, they support their duties. So when it comes to issues like | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
climate change and border protection, there will be countless | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
times where Britain has to step up and say, yes, we can take on the | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
obligations that come with sharing this part of the world, and the | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
Prime Minister was right to say we will not turn our back on Europe and | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
we're not just going to be good neighbours, we are going to be the | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
best of neighbours. Let me conclude by saying I think in the debates | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
that come, there will be an iron relationship between free movement, | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
access to the single market and the integrity of the UK, and I think if | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
we are to maximise that integrity to keep our trade balance good, we will | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
have to keep changes to free movement to an absolute minimum. It | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
would be an error to slam the door to this country closed and lose our | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
place in the world as the great trading nation that we are. That | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
will inevitably lead to the unravelling of the UK. So we need | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
British moderation now more than ever before and we must have no more | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
pie in the sky from politicians with no intention of honouring their | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
promises. And that is why I hope this place will continue to lead | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
debates like today's. It is a pleasure to follow the honourable | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
member from Birmingham. He made some berry fine points and I particularly | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
like the coining of his phrase not moving from free movement to fair | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
movement. There is a right time and a right place to take a risk, and | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
for me, starting my business in 1992, many of you will remember, the | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
16th of September 1992, with unemployment at 3 million. | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
Repossessions running at 70 2000, three times the national average, | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
and interest rates going from ten, 12, 15% in a single day. You will | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
remember the day after, we pulled out of something called the exchange | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
rate mechanism and that was the right thing to do. Many economists | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
said it was the wrong thing to do, it was a big risk, but things could | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
hardly get worse, and it was absolutely the right thing to do. | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
But look at where we are today. We have one of the fastest-growing | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
economies in the developed world. We have virtually full employment, | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
which means all our young people and older people can get a job. And one | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
of the things we had in our business was "Hope is not a strategy". And | :45:40. | :45:47. | |
there was so little strategy, I believe, in Vote Leave, in where we | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
would go in our exit from the EU. And that's why most business | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
organisations, the Institute of Directors, for example, or the CBI, | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
or city UK, were saying, this is the wrong thing to do, and every leading | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
economist and some not very leading economists were saying this is the | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
wrong thing to do. But of course this was seen as some kind of | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
conspiracy. But it wasn't just business that was talking like this, | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
of course. It was the music industry, the science industry, our | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
research organisations, our technology industry. A report by the | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
House of Lords had said, this is such a huge risk because of the | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
complexity of withdrawing from the EU. It will take at least two years | :46:34. | :46:41. | |
clearly with the notice period of Article 50, but it would take many, | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
many years to unwind the legislation, the connective | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
legislation. A report in the times said it would take ten Queen's | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
speech is to unwind that legislation. Which breeds all the | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
uncertainty that businesses do not like. It is not just about trade | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
deals or trading today with Europe and moving and opening more markets | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
around the world. That is a great opportunity. But two cannot simply | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
move your supply base and your customer base from one location to | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
the next overnight. -- but you cannot. And this is what we have | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
been asked to do. Is it not also the case that so much of the trade we do | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
with the rest of the world is by large international companies who | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
locate in the UK because we are in the single market, and we are | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
responsible for so much trade going out beyond the EU? He is exactly | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
right. A good example is the Swiss banks. Despite the fact that | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
Switzerland is part of the European Economic Area, they cannot trade | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
directly with the EU, so they have to base subsidiaries within the EU | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
and happily, firms like credit Suisse and UBS put that subsidiaries | :47:57. | :48:05. | |
in London. As did the big banks. It's why the head of City UK said | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
this move could cost up to 100,000 jobs in the City of London. But this | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
was never dealt with. It was never answered by vote Leave. So the risks | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
here are huge. My honourable friend was shaking his head, that's all. | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
But this was not properly dealt with. And nor has the impact on car | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
manufacturers. This is not about simply opening up new trade markets | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
around the world. It is about a supply chain, a deeply embedded | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
supply chain, right through Europe. A typical driveshaft for a family | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
saloon car is manufactured in six different countries across Europe. | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
So what is that car manufacturer to do? If tariffs are applied between | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
ourselves and the EU? I was talking to a multinational retailer just | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
last evening, who has three members of staff in London -- 3000 members | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
of staff in London. These people move from London to Frankfurt, to | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
Paris, just as we would do from North Yorkshire to London, but what | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
they are faced with is the prospect of not being able to do that. How is | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
it we have made this decision without talking about these issues | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
and answering these questions? And I think there is an even bigger issue. | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
And I look at the European Union. It is such a sensitive stage. It is a | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
House Of Cards. And if the UK pulls our card from the bottom, there is a | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
significant risk that the whole House Of Cards may implode, and that | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
is a domestic economic risk moving to an international, global risk, | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
and also a political risk. And a security risk. Which, again, could | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
hugely affect this country, our economy and our prospects for | :50:01. | :50:07. | |
national security. You will accept that many of the European member | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
states, only a few years ago, they were behind the Iron Curtain, | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
metallic Terry Terry and states, and today they are free and fair | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
democracies. -- Attallah Terry and states. They have made sure they are | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
looking at prosperity and trade and not moving backwards looking | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
eastwards, even worse, towards Russia. So all of these issues are | :50:33. | :50:39. | |
at play. And of course there are many positive reasons to be part of | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
the EU. It is about the opportunity to live, work and study right across | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
the continent. It is about peace and prosperity. And it is about tackling | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
some of our huge challenges, which, again, economic risks, things like | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
climate change, air pollution, drug resistance and tax evasion. | :51:01. | :51:09. | |
Of course people, immigration, is the big issue, and I understand | :51:10. | :51:18. | |
public concern on that, but I believe this was a referendum on | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
immigration and understand we need to deal with this. Here is the | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
opportunity. And as the honourable member for Birmingham Hodge Hill | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
said, we need to deal with that proportionately and there are many | :51:33. | :51:34. | |
different solutions to that problem that we need to look at and work | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
with European neighbours to deal with that problem. But what we must | :51:41. | :51:47. | |
do, we absolutely must do, is we must have free and unfettered access | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
to the single market, because the economic consequences of not doing | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
that are just impossible to contemplate. Too severe to | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
contemplate. All the way through the referendum campaign, I wanted to | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
remain and reform and that option is no longer available, but what we | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
must do now is work together with European counterparts to make sure | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
we do get reform and work collaboratively with European | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
partners to make sure we have a fear economic settlement that works for | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
the European Union and for the United Kingdom. | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would say it is a pleasure to speak | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
in this debate this afternoon, but that is not really how it feels. I | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
am not the baby of the House but amongst the younger members. And for | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
the 33 years I've been alive I've grown up in a country that is part | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
of the European Union. And part of its character is a confident, open, | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
outward looking nation that looks to the world with optimism, confidence | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
and strength. And though I respect the result and the verdict of the | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
voters last week I cannot disguise my bitter disappointment with the | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
result that was delivered. Because it has put this country on a | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
fundamentally different course for the century than we were previously | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
on. We have already seen the economic impact of that decision. | :53:17. | :53:24. | |
We've seen some of the political repercussions of that decision. And | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
probably will more worrying than anything else, from that result last | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
week, is the sense that our political leaders have yet to find | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
the adequate answers to the questions that have been thrown up | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
by the Leave vote. Now I represent an outer London constituency on the | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
Essex border. Many of the people I represent travel in on the Central | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
line to work in London and many of those will be worried about the | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
future of their jobs. We've already seen the announcement of thousands | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
of jobs potentially moving abroad into the Eurozone. And we hear on | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
the links of jobs elsewhere set to go. We see communities including | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
those that voted overwhelmingly to leave seen the consequences of | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
decisions we have they will no longer be -- we there will no longer | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
be the word investment, such as car manufacturing in the North East, or | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
to bail out the steel industry in Port Talbot. And I cannot help, | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
without feeling too bitter with the result, or finger wagging at people | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
who have reached different conclusions, to say to those people | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
particularly in this House and in the officially designated Leave | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
campaign, that when the attacked stronger in and its advocates, I'm | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
afraid and sorry to see it looks increasingly like actually it was | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
project fact. Whether it is instability in currency of the | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
markets or decisions that have already been taken in the space of | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
days, to relocate jobs, changing peoples lives and affecting human it | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
is for the worse. So let me say, as far as I'm concerned, the | :55:07. | :55:09. | |
Conservative leadership contest can't come soon enough. I relish the | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
prospect of seeing the honourable member for Uxbridge and so to | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
Ruislip at that dispatch box, because along with his friends and | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
the member for Surrey Heath, and other members who prosecuted these | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
arguments, I want to see them live up to the promises that were made. | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
The ?350 million for the NHS, promises made on immigration, and | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
every other promise that they made to the British people, that they in | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
good faith believed when they walked into the ballot box to vote Leave, | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
this place has to deliver accountability if we are to have any | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
trust our faith in politics. Those members when they assume power, some | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
of them already there, they should expect this side of the House, and I | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
suspect members on the other side, to hold them to account for the | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
promises made. Because if I were a Leave voter and find that my job is | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
at risk, or that immigration has not changed substantially in the way I | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
was promised, or that there isn't ?350 million for the NHS, or | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
anything remotely like that, I will feel very betrayed and let down. | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
Just as frankly so many people of my generation and younger do feel let | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
down. Because it is my generation that will be the consequences of | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
this decision longer than anyone else. I can't recall any other | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
issue, where there was such overwhelming economic consensus from | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
this country's leading economists and from around the world, that this | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
country in the longer term will not be as well off as it might have | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
been. Not for a ban today, perhaps, but not as well off as it might have | :56:52. | :56:58. | |
been. -- not ruler than today. For the sorts of team unity is I grew up | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
in, my council estate in Tower Hamlets and other working class team | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
unity is across the country, if we are not as well off, it will not be | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
the wealthiest that feel the impact, it will be the poorest. When | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
businesses do not have as much custom or trade, or as much inward | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
investment from around the world, it will not be the mighty global | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
players affected, they will take business elsewhere, it will be the | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
small and medium-sized enterprises, hard-working people who take the | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
risk and plans, set up a business, work everyday, their fingers to the | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
bone to turn a profit and provide a home and income for their family, | :57:37. | :57:47. | |
they will be the people that pay the price of this decision. So forgive | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
me if I feel somewhat angry about that. I will certainly give way. | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
Thank you. I congratulate him on a very powerful and effective | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
contribution to this debate. I also congratulate the gentleman on his | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
intervention to the Chancellor earlier in relation to airport | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
expansion. What about the future constitutional arrangements, we need | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
to take decisions began to get this country moving and sure we have | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
momentum, and encourage inward investment back into the UK. I would | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
like to congratulate him on that intervention. I am very grateful to | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
the intervention. And in the short time I have been in this House I | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
have been frankly appalled at the extent to which party political | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
self-interest as the key breaks on vital infrastructure decisions to | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
secure the future economic well-being of the nation, or even | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
national security, and that is why the government should bring forward | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
votes on airport expansion, or nuclear continuance deterrent, and | :58:47. | :58:53. | |
other infrastructure projects to keep the country safe and | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
prosperous. We cannot allow these crucial decisions to be sacrificed | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
on the altar of party political management, not least when those | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
attempts seem to be futile, and we have not just seen the role of | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
Britain in the European Union fundamentally changed, but looking | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
at the break-up of the United Kingdom. Not just in terms of | :59:14. | :59:19. | |
Scotland but also that huge achievement, from the Downing Street | :59:20. | :59:24. | |
Declaration to the Good Friday Agreement, the Northern Irish peace | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
process itself put at risk because of the way in which this debate has | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
been handled. And it is travelling at days after the referendum there | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
are still no answers to some of those critical questions about | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
moving forward as a country. Fantastic speech. I agree with your | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
sentiments. Is it also not the case that in the very based case | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
scenario, that a huge amount of government energy and time will be | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
diverted on legal wrangling is that we should focus on the huge issues | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
faced as a country? I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't come to this House | :59:59. | :00:03. | |
to spend hours and hours scrutinising changes to the law to | :00:04. | :00:09. | |
protect rights they already have as members and citizens of the European | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
Union but to advance new ones and fight for things like schools and | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
hospitals and public services and improving the life chances of people | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
in my constituency, not some grand constitutional convention tinkering | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
at the edges to maintain the status quo, rather than advancing the | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
interests of our nation. I am grateful and almost reluctant to | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
interrupt your magnificent floor. But you mentioned the Northern | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Ireland peace process. The European Union was one of the key components | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
of the Good Friday Agreement, just as we worked with Washington and | :00:44. | :00:57. | |
Dublin. The possibility of this piece across Northern Ireland, | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
arguably the impact this is having on those people? Mike honourable | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
friend has a great deal of expertise in this area and we should take | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
seriously the warnings has given. And I would feel less aggrieved by | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
what he has said, were it not for the fact these very questions were | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
put to the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in the run-up to | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
the referendum and we were told. Body. That seems to be the blank | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
cheque written on the back of every promise of the Leave campaign. -- we | :01:28. | :01:39. | |
were told not to worry. We see that much of the decisions to Leave were | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
taken not because of the Lisbon Treaty, but because this Parliament, | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
as sovereign as it is, they still don't feel they have control over | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
their lives and destiny. I would hazard a guess that when analysis is | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
done you will be able to map humility by Camilla to those places | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
that voted Leave and those that have had the hardest time because of the | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
nature of our economy. -- map each community. That should worry us more | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
than anything else. Many people voted Leave out of desperation, in | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
the hope the circumstances could not be worse than they are today and in | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
the belief that the immigration system and the flow of people into | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
this country makes them less well off rather than our economy better. | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
That deeply concerns me. Representing one of those in areas | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
that overwhelmingly voted out, one of the issues we face already is 36% | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
of my constituents, the current living wage, and they believe this | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
will increase their salaries, and yet 7000 of my constituents are | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
employed in an industry that are already looking to see what happens | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
next and are stopping investment. Do you agree we need John answers from | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
the government to protect future investment? -- strong answers. We do | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
need those answers and it is not just the economy today but as it | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
would be defined in the future because now this country faces | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
choices about what the structure of the economy looks like and how we | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
intend to compete in a globalised world. I believe, with respect to | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
the benches opposite, there is a risk under not just the current | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
government but the next Prime Minister that we will see a future | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
about a race to the bottom, further casualisation of labour, race to the | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
bottom in terms of wages and terms and conditions, because outside the | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
protection of the single market, it is the only way for this country to | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
profit in away those at the top of society wish to. That makes me even | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
more worried for our country's future, and my final point, that is | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
why we desperately need a change in government. More than 100 years ago, | :03:51. | :03:59. | |
working people, socialist and friendly societies, trade unions, | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
came together because they knew the way to improve the lives of working | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
people and their conditions wasn't by marching through the streets | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
demanding change, but marching through the corridors of power and | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
delivering change. And throughout the great history of the Labour | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
Party, whether the creation of the NHS, or homes fit for heroes, the | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
creation of the open University, the introduction of the national minimum | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
wage, improvements in education standards that let this council | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
estate boys make it to university and this place, success of Labour | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
governments are the only vehicle for delivering progressive change in | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
this country. I would urge members of my party to think carefully, | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
whether or not we prefer the futility of opposition to the | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
ability to change people's lives, the pursuit of power is not about | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
our careers but the life chances and opportunities of our people the | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
Labour Party came into politics to represent. If they don't have | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
confidence in the Labour Party and its leadership to be that change, | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
then we can sign this country to decades of Conservative government, | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
just as we did before when I was growing up in the 1980s! That should | :05:08. | :05:20. | |
hang heavily on the consciences of the skeleton front bench of this | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
party, because until we start providing effective opposition now, | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
this lot will get away with that! That is why we should remember above | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
all else the Labour Party is a cause not a personality cult! It is time | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
people that the interests of the people the Labour Party was founded | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
to represent at the forefront of their judgments about their futures | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
and do the right thing so we can get on and taking this lot apart and | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
delivering a Labour government! Thank you. Can I say what a pleasure | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
it is to follow such a passionate and powerful speech? I feel somewhat | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
the dole bank manager following on from his act. Can I welcome someone | :06:01. | :06:10. | |
unusually not just the subject of the motion but the wording of it as | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
well. I want to congratulate the opposition front bench for bringing | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
this forward today. I must confess, the decision made by the voters to | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
leave the European Union came as both face a prize and a shock to me. | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
In my constituency, I spent time holding debates across the | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
constituency so that people could hear both sides of the argument and | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
then come to their own conclusion. I never sought to influence their vote | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
one way or the other. And disposition of balance also | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
permitted me to spend the last week of the referendum campaign speaking | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
to 25 schools over the last week. -- this position. Both secondary and | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
primary. It troubled me greatly that young children were asking me | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
questions such as, for those who had parents from the EU, would they or | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
their parents have to leave the UK if we leave, or would Britain go to | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
war should we leave. At least it gave me, with the opportunity of | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
balance, the opportunity to do my best to reassure. The sometimes | :07:17. | :07:24. | |
extreme assertions were causing these concerns to be raised and some | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
have been irrationally cast. Had the Remain side recognised, perhaps in | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
more balanced tones, that there were positive reasons for the UK to leave | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
the European Union but even more positive reasons to remain, I wonder | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
whether the UK population would have so readily lined up to give the | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
establishment opinion makers the thumbs down. All of this is for | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
historians to deal with in due course. We are where we are and it | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
is my belief that we in This Place have to lead from the front and get | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
the best deal for the UK in order to preserve the rights that the | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
population has enjoyed for a generation while keeping a semblance | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
of democratic control, which people have demanded from us in this | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
result. I do believe that with the right Civil Service negotiation team | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
in place, we can get a good deal from our European partners. I do, | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
however, believe this will take determination, good grace, hard | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
work, focus and an ability to work with our European counterparts. | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Thumbing our noses, as Nigel Farage did so disgracefully in the European | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
Parliament this week, not only demonstrates he should not be let | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
anywhere near this process, but also to meet demonstrates the victory and | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
triumphalism rarely bring out the best in negotiating counterparts. -- | :08:52. | :09:01. | |
that this vitriol. For seven years, this was working with a team leading | :09:02. | :09:15. | |
the largest bankruptcy. To the honourable member for Ilford North, | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
there was a time when I wanted to come over and give him a cuddle, | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
because, as he was describing for his generation, there was great | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
fear, there is great fear, but I remember that back in 2008 from a | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
personal perspective because I had my mortgage on that institution and | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
my friends and colleagues worked for that institution, and despite what | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
people say about investment bankers, it also includes people who work as | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
cleaners, secretaries and those who don't earn a great wage, and they | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
lost not only that job but also their sense of pride and security in | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
that institution. Of course I will give way. Thank you forgiving way. | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
He's right not just about the support staff, but it is also worth | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
saying that people who do the financial services themselves. | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
Though guilty of all sorts over the years, including bringing our | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
economy almost to its knees, the financial services still generates | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
enormous investment in this country and creates jobs, and it would be | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
foolish to see that great industry, with all the benefits it brings and | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
the tax receipts, go by the wayside, and though we should not let them | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
off the hook, we should never pretend that they are not massive | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
for this country. I absolutely agree with every point he made. There are | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
some who didn't get the punishment they should have got but others took | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
huge punishment and they are still a great export for UK plc. It was | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
still a great shock when that day occurred in 2008 and I well remember | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
it, because another guy who worked for another bank and was in control | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
of his legal department, and this is the largest international investment | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
and commercial bank, and he spent that day dealing with Lehman | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
Brothers, then another bank, and then his own bank, all falling over, | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
and all of us felt money was not safe in any international financial | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
institution at all. I remind the House of those days because while | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
things might seem fearful, cast your mind back to 2008, when I feel | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
things felt even more uncertain. And I would also ask you to recognise | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
that in the last six years, the economy has got better in this | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
country. We have recovered. Who would have thought where we would | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
get to a position where 2 million new jobs have been created? And Pat | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
this is possibly why it is such a great shock what has happened with | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
the EU, because we have got used to some form of stability. -- and this | :11:52. | :12:00. | |
is possibly. Is the honourable gentleman going to refer to the fact | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
that the markets are bouncing back and coming back as we speak? I'm | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
not, not least because it has been made for me, but I'm well aware of | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
that, and it's one of my reasons to feel positive, and a point I want to | :12:13. | :12:21. | |
press on with. At the time, people feel terrible and concerned but | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
history says things might not be as bad as people feel. I will give way | :12:26. | :12:34. | |
in a second. But I would say it brought out the worst states of | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
emotions in people. I would describe three stages of behaviour. Firstly | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
those who lost their heads, secondly those who wielded the knife, and | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
thirdly those who put their heads down and tried to work through the | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
chaos. And I will give way, because I know he had experience of this | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
time as well. I am grateful. I did indeed. At the time I was in Her | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
Majesty's Treasury working for what was the government that was then the | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
opposition. I take the point on the markets. I arrived to help after the | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
events in question! I can assure you! To the point made by the | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
honourable gentleman, markets have bounced and it is good but we should | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
all be aware in this House that the markets will fluctuate and be | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
volatile and up and down. What matters is the long-term momentum | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
inside our economy, particularly the ability to attract ongoing and | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
inward investment. And our minds should go to make sure that tap is | :13:41. | :13:50. | |
not turned off, looking at fiscal measures in our country. I thank him | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
for that. He has such wide experience on this. I will now press | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
on because I'm conscious of time. Just turning back to the better of | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
the three states of emotion I described. Those working through the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
chaos. Being a believer in the latter, I stayed on with Lehman | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Brothers for seven years to work with a team of lawyers dealing with | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
the tens of billions of claims made against the estate and which indeed | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
the state made against other trading entities, and I recall for a period | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
of 18 months leading a team dealing with a multi-million pounds case | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
with a bank that had locked up our custodial assets to aid its own | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
claim. We worked to negotiate this bank and ended up settling to both | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
partys' satisfaction. I hope this is a metaphor for what can now be | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
achieved without European partners. As a result of the success, Lehman | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
Brothers and their claimants, who originally feared only getting 10p | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
in the power, will end up getting ?1 50. We struggled to get claimants to | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
get their money because they wanted interest accrue. I use this example | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
because, at the time, as I've expressed, it looked hopeless to | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
staff and financial stakeholders. I recognise this is the way many of | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
our population see the UK's plight following the referendum decision. I | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
hope that over time and with the right team in-place, a better | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
outcome can be delivered for the UK. Only time will tell if our economy | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
will be stronger outside the EU than inside. But what is in our hands is | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
putting an experienced of all the label -- Civil Service team together | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
for the UK and giving them the time and space to come up with a strategy | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
and allowing them to implement it. Whilst we've discussed many of the | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
economic trading principles we would like to see in place, I would urge | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
the House to think more soberly about the type of people we put in | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
place to fight for those. From experience I would say that is as | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
important as cause itself. So as well as transference of the process | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
to come, this is what I believe will give the population the reassurance | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
they so badly need at this uncertain time, and I look forward to the | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
calls from across this House that we should work together and add all of | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
its export -- support and experience to this process so we can support | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
the people of this country. I wish we didn't need to have this debate | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
because I wish we had all voted for the majority had voted to stay | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
within the EU, but we are where we are. I think in the spirit of | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
openness and transparency, it would be useful to set out from the outset | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
that I well understand that the way in which my friends understand this | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
problem, the way in which we frame it, is very different from the way | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
in which other people in this chamber see it. From my point of | :17:02. | :17:11. | |
view, the people we must act on behalf the people of Scotland. I | :17:12. | :17:25. | |
believe in the great principle of sovereignty but not Parliamentary. | :17:26. | :17:33. | |
The honourable member for Thirsk and Walton, who was leaving, until I | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
mentioned him, I thought he made some of the best points in this | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
debate so far about the lack of a plan. Even baldric had a plan! But | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
it would seem... A cunning plan at that! But it would seem that the | :17:51. | :17:59. | |
Leave side had no plan. And unfortunately, the Government had | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
been unprepared for this eventuality, including the Prime | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
Minister today at Prime Minister's Questions, indicating we were having | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
to spend the next few months modelling out what the alternatives | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
were without specifying precisely what the different scenarios are | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
that being planned. I would say from my side, what ever the scenarios are | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
that are being planned, we must have some clarity in there about what we | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
will say about the place of Scotland within the European Union. They | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
cannot make the assumption that we are going to meekly fall and be | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
dragged out of the European Union against the will of the Scottish | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
people. It is not our job to be dragged along. It is our job to | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
represent the interests of Scotland and the Scottish people. And that we | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
will do to the best of our ability. At Prime Minister's Questions in the | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
days before the vote, I raised the case of Thomas and Elke, who live in | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
my constituency. Originally from Germany. Thomas runs a small | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
business in the service sector. Elke is a distinguished artist in glass. | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
They came to Scotland some years ago and bought an old home and | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
refurbished it beautifully. It created jobs in the community, | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
contributed to the community in lots of voluntary ways. But days before | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
the vote, they decided they could not stand the way in which they were | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
being portrayed as immigrants. So they indicated they were leaving the | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
country for the period of the vote and if the vote went to stay out, | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
they would want to leave Scotland permanently. Now, I am still in | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
contact with them, as they are in France at the moment, trying to | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
persuade them to come back. But I say, I am aware they are not the | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
only people who feel that they have been hurt tremendously by the nature | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
of the debate. And also let down by the Government. It is all very well | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
for the Government now to say they are welcome when they denied them | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
the vote on this referendum. And so part of the problem we have in | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
reassuring people is the way in which they have been treated up to | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
now, both by the Government and by those advocating a Leave vote. Now, | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
Elke Anne Thomas were small business people and there's been lots of | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
discussion today about large businesses. -- and Thomas. | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
Do excellent point about the impact of EU nationals, it was also 16 and | :20:52. | :20:58. | |
17-year-olds who were denied the vote as well. Absolutely, and I | :20:59. | :21:09. | |
thank you for reminding me of that. Thank you for giving way, very | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
generous. Just to clarify, I was there when we do metered and | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
committee about aged 16 and foreign nationals, and I made the point on | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
foreign nationals, and if EU nationals had been allowed the vote | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
they could have swung the vote. Even now I regret the result, you cannot | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
underestimate how potentially inflammatory that may have been, | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
given we were not using the franchise from a General Election. I | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
would have to say to the honourable gentleman that I think that is a | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
rather sad argument to make. To me, just as we allowed the vote in the | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
Scottish referendum, Thomas and Elke Weston are as much Scots with as | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
much right to indicate their feelings about the country they have | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
chosen to live in as I have. Just as, when my older brother and sister | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
had to immigrate, which has been the bigger problem for Scotland, because | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
they could not get the opportunities to work in their own land, the | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
countries they have gone to live in, they have been welcome there, and | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
allowed to vote there. I think what has happened is that, by the | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
exclusion, it helped to introduce an element of xenophobia into the way | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
in which this referendum has been conducted. So I have great regard | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
for the honourable member but I'm afraid on that particular point I | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
completely disagree with him. We have got a problem for small and | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
medium-sized companies, as I find it might once constituency, and I would | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
be interested if this is shared elsewhere, there are two types of | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
talking to me, one is those SMEs who export, and there are concerns are | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
primarily about access to markets. And the argument be held earlier | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
that isn't it a good thing about the falling pound that will allow dairy | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
exports to be more competitive? In all honesty I haven't heard a single | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
business pursing making that claim to me. -- single business person. | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
They have said to me the problem of expenses insuring they have access | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
to markets. Without access to markets, the exchange rate is rather | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
immaterial. The second type of SMEs coming and talking to me have not | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
been exporters but they have been importers. They of course are | :23:41. | :23:47. | |
particularly concerned about what is happening with the currency level. | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
What is going to be the cost of bringing in the types of continental | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
products we've been so used to benefiting from over the last 20 or | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
30 years? So I think there are different perspectives on this in | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
small and medium-sized enterprises that reflect real concerned we will | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
have to manage in this new situation. And I think the | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
government will have to not wait for two years until an exit takes place, | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
they will have to rather urgently think about the kind of initiative | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
that can be brought in to assist those small and medium-sized | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
enterprises who are living the period of great uncertainty. And of | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
course, within a greater period of uncertainty, what will it make about | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
-- what will it say about decision-making? They will not go to | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
the bank to borrow foreign investment when uncertain about | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
their future. And Haruki are going to construct that. My fear is that, | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
over a thing, this will lead to less and less investment, not merely by | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
the large corporations, but by many of the small businesses that are the | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
heart of communities. And a further issue I would like to raise the | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
concern about research funding, and academia in society. A lot of people | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
have tried to see not to worry, the contracts that have already been | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
struck are not going to be ended, and so are great universities are | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
safe in that regard. That to me is not what their fundamental concern | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
is. That is about what is the future for European collaboration in | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
research. How is that going to happen if we are exited from the EU? | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
Will they have the same access to other academics? The same access to | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
future research projects? That is highly unlikely unless we retain | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
their place within the European Union. And what of those students in | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
Scotland and elsewhere who have benefited from travel to continental | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
Europe? Who benefits from the great universities France, Germany, Italy | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
and elsewhere? What are their prospects? The future generation is | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
going to be denied the opportunity that those over the last 30 years | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
have had. And that could only be a real tragedy for our society. | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a considerable pleasure to follow | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
the honourable gentleman for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath and a | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
fantastic honour to listen to his eloquence. In my case, he is one of | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
my oldest friends in politics. We have a responsibility to act in a | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
way that does not talk down the economy, to collectively support | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
measures to create financial stability and support sustainable | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
economic growth and in this regard I would commend the Bank of England in | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
seeking to reassure markets that amongst other things it will take | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
the necessary measures to sustain liquidity. However, when the Prime | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
Minister speaks in this House as he did on Monday that there had been an | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
adjustment in the financial markets, his comments fly in the face of | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
reality. When we look at what has happened over the course of the last | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
week, we see the pound has fallen by more than 10% against the US dollar. | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
The FTSE 250, which is more representative of the UK economy | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
than the FTSE 100, is down by 12% in one week. When you look behind these | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
indices, UCB severity of decline in and a of economically sensitive | :27:34. | :27:44. | |
areas. RBS than by 20%, Berkeley's 28%. Post developers, some down by | :27:45. | :27:53. | |
30%. -- House developers. These are astonishing falls that clearly | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
represent a crisis in investor confidence in our economy and an | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
indication that investors anticipate a significant shifting expectations | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
for the UK economy. And I note the South Swindon and that consensus | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
expectations for GDP growth in the UK have fallen from 2.1 down to 0.4% | :28:12. | :28:21. | |
for next year. This is no adjustment, as the prime and so | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
called it, this is a significant shift in investor perception of UK | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
plc. And it is one driven by our failure of leadership by the Prime | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
Minister and his government. Let's make no mistake, this is a crisis | :28:35. | :28:42. | |
made in Westminster by Westminster and it needs are full attention if | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
we are to respond in an appropriate manner to the challenges we face. | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
That challenges brought home to us when we see that to date that | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
Moody's have changed their outlay of 12 UK banks and building societies | :28:57. | :29:05. | |
and downgraded outlook on 52 UK sub softens to negative from stable. The | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
Chancellor talked of an emergency budget and hostility measures as a | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
result of Brexit. It is government responsibility to deliver an actual | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
stability, not to kick the legs from that stability and threaten the jobs | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
and livelihoods of citizens. That is precisely what this government has | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
done. These are no abstract matters and it might be better if the front | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
bench paid attention rather than talk to themselves because we are | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
talking about the livelihoods of people in this country and perhaps | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
it would be respectful to the House if they listen to the debate taking | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
place because after all that file in the financial markets affects the | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
pension funds of everyone investing in this country. The stock market | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
are just the future expectations of profit and dividend growth and that | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
should concern us. Goldman Sachs have downgraded UK banks and cut | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
profit forecasts for the sector by a whopping 10 billion euros. Think | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
about that! A Tory row on Europe leads to banking profits down. Do | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
they not have any shame about what they have caused? It is another fine | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
mess that they've got us into! When the government comes to this House | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
and calls for support to change the future for the British Steel pension | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
scheme it is in prior to consideration of future profits for | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
asset growth in that pension scheme. Thousands of British steel workers | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
and pensioners have a trip to the value of their pensions. That is | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
very real and the events of the last few days can only exacerbate that | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
threat. The threat to British Steel pension scheme is one which is | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
newsworthy and current. As the faculty of actuaries response to the | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
consultation suggests that there is a much wider threat to pension | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
schemes. This self induced run on the markets has made that threat | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
greater. We need to put this in the context of the economic | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
circumstances that we are facing. The fallout from the financial | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
crisis of 2007-2008 is still with us. We are burdened with eye | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
watering levels of debt. Wages have barely risen in real terms since the | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
financial crisis. Productivity has flat lined. Prospects for economic | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
growth had already been cut before we ran into the backwash of the | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
referendum. What was required was a focus on driving investment into our | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
economy, focusing on innovation, driving up productivity growth and | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
delivering higher living standards as a result. The UK Government has | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
engineered at the very least an economic setback of its own making. | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
Why? Are fallout over Europe within the Tory party has caused domestic | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
and foreign investors to take fright, but not just at the | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
prospects for growth and stability in the UK, this will have knock-on | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
effect on neighbours in Europe and elsewhere. The Chancellor has talked | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
about further austerity. Yet again, the poorest and the weakest in | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
society will be asked to pay the price for a lack of leadership from | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
the UK to the government -- Tory government. Looking back over the | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
last two years we have seen rising inequality. Monetary and fiscal | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
decisions have driven inequality. There has been lack of appropriate | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
measures to deliver sustainable economic growth and to narrow focus | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
on Quantitative Easing rather than measures that could have led to | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
better outcomes. We have is the government analysis of the | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
quantitive easing programme? As of today, 375 billion was invested in | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
an asset purchase scheme. We are the additional measures to stimulate | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
growth and investment? We know the government and those on the Brexit | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
site had no plan for the prospects of the Leave vote. The Chancellor | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
went into hiding. Let's hear it now. The financial markets have given | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
their judgment on the referendum decision. Weird as the government | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
response beyond the Prime Minister calling the market and adjustment? | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
There needs to be a plan to build confidence and stability. Where is | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
their plan to do this? Let the country hear it. I will give way to | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
the front bench if they want to intervene. So far we have heard | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
nothing that will deliver confidence to the financial markets. We know | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
there is no plan. We have our Prime Minister and Chancellor as a peer of | :33:48. | :33:56. | |
rabbits caught in the headlines, Prime Minister sent packing from our | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
ministers meeting, yesterday's man in Europe and at home. The Prime | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
Minister got us into this mess and has no plan to get us out. Someone | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
else will have to pick up the pieces. The king of the pieces and | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
dealing with economic uncertainty. -- picking up the pieces. Thank | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
goodness for those of us in Scotland we have Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
Government showing effective leadership. We are optimistic for a | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
country. At the time of the 2015 General Election campaign, and that | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
every budget since, the SNP has set out a credible alternative to | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
austerity, investing in public services and kick-starting growth | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
throughout the UK. People in this country and elsewhere have reflected | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
on the leadership that Nicola Sturgeon has shown over the course | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
of the last few days. What we need from the European Union is to | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
recognise the voice of Scotland, that Scotland voted to remain within | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
the European Union, Scotland, an internationalist currently open for | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
business. We had a vote in the Scottish Parliament yesterday | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
showing unity of purpose, giving a mandate to the government to | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
negotiate with the EU to protect the interests of the Scottish people, to | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
make sure we written in that access to the single market that is so | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
important to the security of jobs, investment and growth. And let me | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
say to the people of Scotland and in this chamber Scotland in Europe will | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
be a beacon of hope, of bringing jobs and investment to this country. | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
People in London concerned about international services, you can come | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
to Scotland and can come to a country that sees itself as being | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
part of European destiny. One that will be focused on jobs and growth, | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
delivering for the people of Scotland. Happily give way. | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
Would you also see there is a need for how we all work together here in | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
the union and we need to find some way of how you fit into the union | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
and all the other parts of the UK work together, so we can work with | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
some forward movement? I thank him for his intervention. Of course, | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
those of us on these benches will work together to make sure we can | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
rescue something out of the carnage of that vote that took place | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
throughout the UK, but I recognised specifically in Scotland and | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
Northern Ireland that the people of those two countries voted to remain | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
within the EU, and yes, of course, we recognise we want to do our best | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
for all of the UK, but our primary responsibility is to protect the | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
people of Scotland. And that's why we need to extend the front of her | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
-- the hand of friendship to the people of the EU and say to them, | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
please stand by us. We have stood by you. Let's make sure Scotland stays | :36:51. | :36:58. | |
in the EU, and we can deliver hope, prosperity and jobs for our people. | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
Can I also think the Labour Party for giving us the opportunity to | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
debate this matter? The EU referendum result has been debated | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
by European parliaments, the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
Parliament, so I think it's high time we had the opportunity to do | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
so, notwithstanding the time the Prime Minister has given us in his | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
statement. But I think the Labour Party for giving us that | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
opportunity. -- I thank. This decision will have a huge impact on | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
Scotland and it is a privilege, as always, to follow the members. This | :37:32. | :37:44. | |
will have a significant impact. My neighbour made the point about | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
research. In my own constituency, at the University of Saint Andrews, | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
they have argued that for everyone pounders Scottish funding grant we | :37:55. | :38:01. | |
receive, we generate and return ?12 to our economy. -- for every ?1. | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
That is a significant impact on the economy locally. I also speak from | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
personal experience as somebody who benefited from the right to live and | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
work in the EU and as somebody who benefited from a Rasmus. I know the | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
opportunities that gave me and the opportunities young people are now | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
missing out on, and I'm wondering if the Government will reflect on | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
training opportunities and educational opportunities that are | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
not only a loss to individuals but also the broader economy as well. It | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
is worth remembering, on a question of democracy, Scotland voted | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
overwhelmingly to remain part of the European Union. If you take the | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
electoral regions throughout the United Kingdom, the highest | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
proportion for any side, 62%, in Scotland in every single local | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
authority area, including the two who voted to join the EU back in | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
1975. That was a phenomenal Markoff support for European Union | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
membership. -- phenomenal sign of support. It is one you would be | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
ill-advised to ignore. On the point of democracy, I talked about the | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
intervention earlier on and it is an important one. This will gain powers | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
and have more say in the day-to-day lives of our citizens, so why is it | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
that on a question of democracy that we retain the House of Lords, and an | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
affronted -- an affront to democracy. It is a disgrace. On the | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
point of stability, which is so important for the economy, and, | :39:54. | :40:03. | |
frankly, the huge uncertainty that lies in Scotland, I was delighted | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
that the Scottish Government has showed a huge amount of leadership | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
and I pay tribute to all parts of the Scottish Government, which is | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
the only functioning party of government, it would appear, left in | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
the UK. The vacuum that has been left by the Conservative Party and | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
by the Labour Party, which is reflected in this chamber right now, | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
is doing no credit to This Place whatsoever. What's more, just as the | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
people of Scotland are being well served by the Scottish Government, I | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
believe the people of England are being ill served by their two | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
biggest parties and the people of England have made their decision, | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
and we respect that, but they deserve much, much more than that. | :40:46. | :40:54. | |
Can also say, we have a rich heritage of European citizens who | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
have made their lives and their homes in the United Kingdom? And I | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
reflect locally the huge contribution that European citizens | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
have made in my constituency and continue to make. They enrich our | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
economy and society more broadly as well. I want to reflect what the | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
First Minister of Scotland has said, and I wish more leading politicians | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
had said this. I want to take the opportunity this morning, the | :41:23. | :41:24. | |
morning of the referendum, to speak directly to the citizens of other | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
European countries living in Scotland. You remain welcome here, | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
Scotland is your home and your contribution is valued. And that is | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
a point we all need to be repeating over the coming weeks and months. | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
I'll gladly give way. I thank him for giving way. The point has been | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
made by other members here. There is no impediment to this Government for | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
this House for making a positive statement about the rights of those | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
EU citizens whom we value and make an unbelievable contribution to our | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
communities. That can and should be done, and we really need to be | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
pressing all those seeking united leadership. Before we go through the | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
rigmarole of electing a new leader, we need to go through that to help | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
the uncertainty, which must be unbearable. He's right. We must talk | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
about the richness they bring to our society. We are a richer country for | :42:27. | :42:34. | |
it. The Scots Irish, the Scots Australians as well! If the | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
leadership contenders, no matter which part of the House it is, I | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
think it would be valuable and something we would value as well, | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
and it's an important thing to say. Moving on, things have changed, and | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
changed utterly. Over the past few days in Scotland, we have seen a | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
number of people who voted no in the previous independence referendum | :43:02. | :43:03. | |
coming around to the idea of independence, or certainly coming | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
around to the idea of working together to maintain Scotland's | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
place in the EU. And the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party are | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
working with the SNP to maintain Scotland's place in the European | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
Union. I am interested that the Scottish Liberal Democrats have now | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
been reported as urging their party to support independence and drop | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
their opposition. The Henry McLeish, a previous Labour First Minister, | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
saying he is very attracted to independence as a game changer. We | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
are also seeing support out with from the former Belgian Prime | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
Minister, saying it is wrong Scotland might be taken out of the | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
EU against its will. The leader of the European peoples party saying | :43:57. | :43:58. | |
Europe is open to new member states and those who want to stay, and we | :43:59. | :44:10. | |
are staying, are welcome. I pay credit to someone who has said they | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
feel Ireland ought to be our friend and demand fair play. I welcome all | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
these comments from our European friends and allies. I will finish | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
with this. Historically, and as a matter of fact, Scotland may be on | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
the geographical periphery of Europe, but we sit in Europe's heart | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
politically and it is there that we want to stay and that we will | :44:35. | :44:36. | |
Thank you. Thank you. I would just like to | :44:37. | :44:47. | |
start by saying it is a pleasure to be debating opposite the minister | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
today in the first of many debates, hopefully. I would also like to | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
thank the Chancellor, who is not here now, for his kind words | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
earlier. We have had some fantastic speeches today and I want to run | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
through some of the main issues that were raised. The member talked about | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
the absence of a plan, the member for South Suffolk stated that some | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
of the Remain predictions were coming right and echo the sentiments | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
for a cross-party approach and said this is bigger than any leader. It | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
certainly is. The honourable member for Birmingham Hodge Hill, I welcome | :45:26. | :45:32. | |
his comments, stating, I want to put decency back into democracy. Another | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
member feared for an international House Of Cards that Britain's exit | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
could collapse. The honourable member for Ilford North, who did a | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
fantastic speech, echoed risks that jobs would be moved and communities | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
in deprived areas would struggle to maintain investment and that Project | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
Fear would turn out to be Project Fact. Another member said, we are | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
where we are, and we must lead from the front, and I couldn't agree | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
more. Another member told us the terrible and harrowing story of his | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
constituents who left to go to France on the result of the European | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
referendum. We hope you can coax them back again. He also highlighted | :46:20. | :46:27. | |
the problems that SMEs facing trade. Then another really Paterson speech, | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
-- passionate speech, stating we cannot kick the legs from stability | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
and the falling markets affects everybody's pension. And then the | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
honourable member for North East Fife, who stated he had echoed | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
comments regarding those from the EU, that they have enriched his | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
economy and he wanted to stay today that their contribution is valued, | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
and that is a statement certainly shared across the House today. As my | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
honourable friend the Shadow Chancellor outlined earlier in the | :47:03. | :47:10. | |
debate, the decision to leave the EU poses considerable risk to the UK | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
economy. Sterling remains volatile, markets are fluctuating, the credit | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
rating has been lost and employers in some sectors have already started | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
discussing the prospect of moving jobs out of Britain. This is very | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
worrying but we can turn it around, and to do that we need political and | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
economic stability. We need all parties now to put political | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
interest aside and work together in the interests of their nations' | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
economies, and I enjoyed the tone of today's debate, which has broadly | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
agreed with that sentiment. I certainly will. And like to thank | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
the honourable member for her comments. Would she join with me in | :47:52. | :48:01. | |
welcoming the fact that the Green Party and see the Brownlee rats have | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
given a mandate to go and negotiate with the EU? -- -- the Liberal | :48:10. | :48:18. | |
Democrats? Hopefully we will debate that further in this House. Sadly, I | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
don't share the Chancellor's assurances that our economy is | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
shockproof. He didn't fix the roof while the sun was shining. Quite the | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
opposite - he sold it off. We have been living on a swelling bubble of | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
household borrowing and poorly paid, insecure jobs. I was pleased to hear | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
his emergency Budget is shelved for the time being. However, there | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
remains a high probability that is there at your measures will be | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
introduced later in the year, imposed by Nu Conservative Prime | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
Minister that could be even more ideological to the right than his or | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
her predecessor. -- by Nu Conservative Prime Minister. This | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
has taken hold despite economists the world over believing cuts to | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
government spending when the economy may be heading into recession is | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
economic nonsense. The most vulnerable will suffer and our | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
communities will snap under the strain of further public sector | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
cuts. Quite frankly, cannot take any more. It is not hard to understand, | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
therefore, some reasons why matter -- mass swathes of people in the | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
country voted the way they did in the referendum. It is no wonder | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
people are angry with the political elite when their financial | :49:42. | :49:43. | |
situations have worsened rather than improve. On the doorsteps of my own | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
constituency, which suffered arcades of industrial decline, I could feel | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
the anger from those who had been left behind. But they were right to | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
be angry. Angry that our hospitals and schools are in a state of crisis | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
and starved of funding. Angry that many people can't get a home. Angry | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
that our public services are being cut so that safety nets on which | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
they rely are eroded. People quite rightly wanted something or someone | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
to blame for that but, sadly, this was confused in the rhetoric of some | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
of the referendum campaigns. They stirred up a hornets nest, | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
scaremongering about migration rather than the core issue of why | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
our economy wasn't working and how the EU affected that. | :50:30. | :50:44. | |
Subtitles resume with Wednesday in Parliament at 11pm. | :50:45. | :50:51. |