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government. As soon as practicable. I hope that it will be posshble to

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hold those elections soon after the House returns in October. Order

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Questions to the Secretary of State for business, energy and industrial

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strategy. Question number one, Mr Speaker. Thank you very much indeed.

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With your permission, I'll `nswer this together with questions ten and

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13. Since I was appointed on the 14th of July, my colleagues and I

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have met with businesses, investors, workers and local leaders in all

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four home nations, as well `s travelling to India and Jap`n.

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Furthermore for the first thme, each local enterprise error and dach of

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the devolved administrations will have specific minister assigned to

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them in my department. -- local enterprise area. I think thd

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Secretary of State from his answer and also welcome the whole team to

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the new department as well. The aerospace industry is absolttely

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vital to the west of England economy. Not just for jobs, but also

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for growth as well. We'll bd Secretary of State work with me in

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order to ensure that the entire aerospace industry receives the

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support it requires and desdrves? Mr Speaker, I certainly will do that.

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One of the biggest privilegds of this job is to be reunited with

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aerospace, and I got to know the sector when I was science mhnister.

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My first ministerial meeting, visit, was with breakfast with the

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aerospace growth partnership at the Farnborough airshow, where H ran

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into my right honourable frhend The West of England was well represented

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there. This is a very important sector for the economy, and will

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have my wholehearted support. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I too would like to

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pass on my welcome to the ndw ministerial team. I've had ` number

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of correspondence from a few local businesses, predominantly slall who

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have been training with European partners over a long period of time

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but has recently seen supplx chain costs rise. Could he outlind his

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commitment to supporting our small businesses in our new relathonship

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with Europe, to ensure that local and regional economies conthnue to

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grow? I will indeed. What I will say, I know many small businesses in

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her constituency. We have m`de over ?3 billion available to smaller

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businesses. She will know that from April next year, the small business

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rate relief will double perlanently. That will benefit 60,000 sm`ll

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businesses. This is part of our continuing commitment to sm`ll

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business, which is the motor of the bigger businesses that generate so

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many jobs together with small businesses in our economy. Ly home

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constituency, long established, beautiful seaside destination with

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big future ambitions includhng 42017, a new hot air balloon

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Festival. Tourism is lifeblood to my town -- including 2017. I'm

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delighted to welcome the Eastbourne hospitality Association. Can the

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Minister tell me if he has had discussions with the tourisl

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industry around reducing thd level of VAT on tourism services to bring

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us into line with competitive destinations in the European Union

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and give our industry the competitive platform from which it

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can stimulate investment, create jobs, deliver growth and take full

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advantages of the opportunities in life after Brexit? My honourable

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friend is a big campaign in the tourism industry. I welcome her

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visitors here today. We havd one of the highest VAT threshold is in the

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European Union here in the TK so that many small businesses don't

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need to charge VAT. Of course, I will continue my discussions with

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her. The hot air balloon Festival sounds a very tempting excursion,

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perhaps for many members in this house. And I look forward to

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continuing these discussions of her and her colleagues. Does thd

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Secretary of State agree th`t British business people are fat and

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spent too much time on the golf course? And lazy? And lazy. Mr

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Speaker, I am yet to meet a lady businessperson, starting with my own

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father, who was up before d`wn every morning running his own small

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business. My friend is right in reminding us that across thd whole

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country, every business needs to work hard as it does every day of

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the week, that is the secret to our competitive success. That is the way

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we will continue to prosper as a nation. In light of comments made

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last week by the Japanese ambassador, the Secretary of State

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will be aware that Nissan, based in my constituency, contributes ?2 1

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billion to the UK balance of trade. And it exports 80% of all c`rs made

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at the plant in Sunderland. What opportunities to PC for automotive

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companies such as Nissan in a post-Brexit strategy and will he

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commit to meeting this Niss`n as soon as possible? I will not only

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make that commitment but tell her that I have already done so and have

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met the Japanese ambassador. The automotive sector and Nissan in

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particular is a hugely important and valued part, not only of thd

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Honourable Lady's constituency, but of the whole country. And it has our

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full hearted support. The albassador and I have met twice. I think it's

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very encouraging that the J`panese ambassador on behalf of the

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government shares with us their priorities for our negotiathon. That

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is exactly the sort of relationship that I hope and expect to h`ve our

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partners around the world. Will people be aware of the great anger

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felt by Britain's wealth crdators at the comments of his right honourable

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colleague. What conversations, not just to them, but to our reputation

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abroad, what conversations `s he had specifically with his right

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honourable friend and with the Prime Minister about liberating the

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damage? My right honourable friend has been vigorous during thd summer

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in going around the world, promoting the case for British business, as is

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his job. And members will h`ve the support of everyone in this House if

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they join the effort that wd are making to promote the great

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opportunities already in thhs country, and the further

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opportunities to come. Speaker, Secretary of State, can I ask you if

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you agree that free trade is at the heart of a prosperous econoly? And

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will you and your front bench colleagues be resisting any attempts

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to impose any form of protectionism when we come to negotiating future

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trade arrangements? The deb`te goes through the Channel. I'm not

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expressing any view, but I think I know what the Honourable gentleman

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had in mind. I think free trade courses through the veins of this

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country. It is one of the rdasons that we've been most successful Our

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surprise last week to hear ` commitment to free trade described

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as dogma. I think it is one of our strengths, and he has an absolute

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assurance that this will be very much at the four of our repttation

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in the future as well as past. Can I welcome the Business Secret`ry to

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his new post. He certainly has his work cut out. Australia says it s

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going to take at least thred years after Brexit to a trade deal can be

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in place of the UK, while the United States, Japan and China havd already

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expressed their views about the prospects of foreign investlent and

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trade with the UK. Can he tdll us what he is doing to get behhnd UK

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businesses and deal with thd concerns of our internation`l

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partners following the Brexht Fred? And can I say to him, that he could

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do better -- could not do bdtter than start telling his colldagues to

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get behind business and stop insulting them. I would be

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interested in the support of the party opposite for promoting British

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business around the world, `nd he will know from our previous work on

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local growers, he'll always have a willing ear and assistance from me

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in doing that. He was kind dnough to welcome me. Can I welcome the front

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bench team opposite that has been formed. I have to say, the

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Honourable gentleman who was my shadow in my DC LG role has followed

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me here. Perhaps not so much shadow as a stalker, but I regarded as

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flattery. I think it is important. Relationships are important.

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I think it's important you get to know our partners around thd world.

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I have done that and my colleagues have done that. I visited otr

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investors and manufacturers in Japan and India, and I will continue to do

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so. Cambridge is a net contributor to the Treasury. 20,000 bushnesses

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generating revenue of over ?30 billion. We have had cross-party

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meetings with business leaddrs about the application of breaks gdt for

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our local colony. -- implic`tions of Brexit. What the Minister mdet in my

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constituency to discuss these implications? I remain and hnfuse

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yesterday visited the Cambrhdge It is one of the important features of

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our industrial strategy is to have a clear recognition of the

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contribution of the local ldadership of different places bring. H have

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appointed minister as the lhaison with Cambridge, but I would be very

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happy to visit myself in future I welcome the Secretary of State and

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his team to their positions. There are challenges, one of which is the

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trade deficit increasing to ?2. billion. A problem unlikely to be

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resolved waive the withdraw`l from the single market. Scotland voted to

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remain, Scotland wishes to remain on -- unhindered in its access to the

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markets, this analysis support that or does he remain committed to feel

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English Brexit. Many members of the House wdre

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impressed by the Honourable member and's contribution to last weeks

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debate. I will work very hard to make sure our negotiating m`ndate

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reflects all parts of the United Kingdom. It was a United Kingdom

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decision to come out of the European Union, will make the most of it

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together. The Scottish Government analysis in

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terms of the UK withdrawal from the European Union is that it could cost

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the Scottish economy at best ?1 7 billion a year, and at worst ?1 .2

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billion. I repeat, will he lake the case from his department for

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continued membership of the European market humour I made clear hn my

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answer earlier that free tr`de is what we want to see.

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In further discussions, not only with the devolved administr`tions

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but with business investors around the world, we will make surd the

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negotiating mandate we have is ambitious and will ensure the

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brightest future for the whole United Kingdom.

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With your permission, Mr Spdaker, I will answer this question whth

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question four. I said on thd 28th of July the Government will consider

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all the component parts of the Hinkley Point C proposed project

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before coming to a decision. We will do just that, and the Prime Minister

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said this week, a decision will be research next month.

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My recent summer surgery to, a number of constituents raisdd

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concerns about the cost to the taxpayer of the Hinkley Point C

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development. Barclays estim`ted that even as EDF that delivers four years

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late, and 25% over budget, ht would still make a profit on the deal

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with the deficit being pickdd up over the next 35 years by ordinary

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people. Does the Minister think such a public subsidy provides v`lue for

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the taxpayer? As I said in my answer, we `re

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looking at all components of the deal and will make a decision before

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the end of the month. I do think it is a responsible act on the part of

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the Government to consider our energy supplies for the futtre in

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the long term. I know the Scottish Government has turned its f`ce

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against new nuclear. We reg`rd that as an important part of a dhverse

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energy mix that gives resilhence to UK consumers.

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Given that the Brexiter votd has thrown the energy sector further

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uncertainty, and given that we note that energy from renewable sources

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will be cheaper and new killer by the time Hinkley is completdd, is it

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not time for the UK to follow the Scottish Government's example and

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embrace cheaper, safer and lore plans for alternatives to ntke the?

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Winston Churchill said that in energy, diversity and the rdst is

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the foundation for security. I think those are wise words and we are wise

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to have a range of energy sources, now and in the future. Incltding

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renewables, of course. I strongly support the Primd

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Minister's decision on this, given that China insists on trying to hack

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not only state agencies as well as our commercial companies, pttting

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two fingers up to the arbitration Court in the Hague, these are people

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through with which we should stop with a long spoon, and I colmend the

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paper written by the intellhgence committee and is Malcolm Rifkind

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three years ago. I am grateful for these comlents. He

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will know the commits went we have made is to look at all components of

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the proposed deal and to make our decision very shortly. We whll

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report to the House when we have done that and reports on a decision

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at that point. The Government is very wise to take

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a deep breath before committing itself to the massive cost of

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Hinkley. Evidence is mounting all the time in terms of new technology.

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In particular, fusion rather than vision, battery storage and so on. I

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do commend the Government for considering this decision vdry

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slowly. I am grateful to my right honourable

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friend. I think it is important for such an important decision to make

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sure a new Government looks at all the components. Looking to the

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future for energy supply, I think it is important and we benefit from the

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full range of technologies, including some of the ones he

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mentioned. This came in on question ond, I

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haven't forgotten it, even hf he has. We'll say that full eight-hour!

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There is a company based in my constituency that is the prdferred

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supplier for reinforced stedl to build Hinkley Point C. My concern is

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being... What the Secretary of State please update the House on the

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timetable? The honourable lady is right that

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we, across all different forms of energy generation, need to tpgrade

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our capacity for energy gendration. Doing that will have import`nt

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advantages for other companhes, including steel suppliers, right

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across the United Kingdom. Hn terms of a decision on Hinkley, wd will

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take it before the end of the month. Can my right honourable fridnds

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confirm that, as well as thd proposed new killer power station at

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Hinkley Point C, the other part of that package, a new Chinese hyphens

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assigned station also remains on the table?

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The decision is on the parthcular contract difference at Hinkley Point

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C, that is what we are revidwing and we will take that decision when that

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review has been completed. I'd to welcome the front bench to

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their new positions, along with my stalker friend. After putting 2 ,000

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highly skilled jobs at risk, after jeopardising 500 much-needed stem

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apprenticeships, after offending the Chinese Government and riskhng

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billions of pounds of investment in the UK economy, after sheddhng shock

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waves to the investment comlunity who think the premise that now

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doesn't understand the meanhng of investment possession, does the

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Secretary of State agree with those in the industry who think that the

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Prime Minister's courses approach now looks like dithering?

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I prefer the Prime Minister's cautious approach to the approach of

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the honourable gentleman, which is completely inconsistent, as far as I

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can see. He criticises the Government for reviewing thhs

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important decision, but says at the same time we should take three

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months to seriously review the decision. There is a contradiction

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in his position. But it doesn't surprise me, because it is the

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complete absence of an energy policy during the 13 years of the previous

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Labour governments, that we knew new killer power station is werd going

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to come to the end of their life, this Government is making ddcisions

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proper, serious way, making up for the last time under the Labour

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years. I am delighted the Prime Minister

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has asked me to leap the historic task of leading a proper industrial

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strategy for this country. We have it once in a generation chance to

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embrace the new opportunitids of our global role and upgrade our economy

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to work for everyone. We will work with industry, local leaders,

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innovators, employees and consumers to create conditions for future

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success. May I also take the opportunity to

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congratulate the entire front bench teams on their appointment. The word

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industrial strategy often conjure up images of manufacturing and heavy

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industry. Can the Secretary of State confirm that...

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It seems to me that in projdcting forward how we are going to earn a

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living as a nation, we look to our strengths. It is correct th`t the

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service sector is one of our greatest drinks. We must crdate the

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conditions for that prosper in the future.

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Then I also welcome the secretary of state to what is a fantastic and

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ambitious, interesting and challenging brief. I wish hhm and is

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team all the best. Can the secretary of state state precisely ex`ctly how

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this new industrial strategx marks a change in Government approach to

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collaborate with business and intervention in the economy, or is

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it just a change to the old approach?

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It is certainly not that. I would welcome the involvement of the new

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Select Committee, which I think will be important, and making sure we

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capture everything we need to make a success of this. I don't thhnk it is

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brand-new in that we build on success. We talked with the

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Honourable gentleman's colldague on the automotive sector. We know that

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has been basic that the good source of strength. The environment we are

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created with firms in the sdctor, capacities and scientific

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institutions has been cruci`l to success. We will build on the strong

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foundations and expressed vdry clearly our path for the future

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As the Government formulates its industrial strategy, and urge my

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right honourable friend to look at the American research progr`mme

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which funds the stages after... Would he consider a UK equivalents?

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I'm grateful to my honourable friend is very well informed about the need

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to translate research success into small business success. I'm sure we

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can talk further about it. I work on the new team, but I'm sure

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even the secretary of state that this isn't going to be a full

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English Brexit, it's going to be a dog's Brexit. Thank you much, I m

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going to be here all week. On a doctoral strategy, one of the

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problems we face -- industrhal strategy, is that many parts of the

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UK are now post-industrial. Areas have one industry like tourhsm, iron

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and steel or shipbuilding. Will he make sure that we take this

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opportunity to invest in those areas to increase productivity and those

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forgotten areas? They're not forgotten. The right

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honourable gentleman is good at the one-liners, and the creativd

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industries are a great source of strength, including comedians. I

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would say, if you look around the world at some of the most stccessful

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blazers, successful cities hn particular, they have developed in a

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way that they have resilience through different industries, even

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where the was the single, dominant industry. That is precisely we want

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to work with local leaders to make sure we strengthen the resilience of

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our regional centres. And the Minister for consumdr

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affairs, who is a brilliant retweet, particularly of my interview today.

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As part of my strategy, I hope my right honourable friend will

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recognise the importance of science and innovation. In my consthtuency,

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we are a microcosm in the ftture of Britain, and I hope that it will

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feature strongly in his str`tegy. It certainly will. The strength of

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science, not least in Oxfordshire, is one of our national strengths. It

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will absolutely be in the hdart of our strategy. Secretary of State,

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how will he ensure that futtre industrial strategy is mindful of

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Northern Ireland's particul`r reliance on EU support and `ccess to

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the common market? As I said earlier, we will make sure that we

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work with our colleagues across the United Kingdom. I had a productive

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meeting with Simon Hamilton during the summer to make sure that we

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coordinate our efforts with those of policymakers in Northern Irdland. It

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needs to be joined up, it whll be, and will make sure that our

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negotiating mandate reflects contributions from across the UK. Mr

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Speaker, I join others in wdlcoming the front bench. The countrx is very

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badly on balance at the momdnt, and we will support any realisthc

:25:32.:25:36.

thoroughgoing industrial strategy that is developed. We now h`ve a

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strategy's gone over the sulmer BHS has gone bust, 11,000 jobs gone

:25:41.:25:45.

Sports Direct playing less than minimum wage. -- paying less than.

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Meanwhile, the companies ard being called fat and lazy. There hs still

:25:57.:26:00.

no clear and unambiguous progress on the steel industry. It has been over

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two years since the consult`tion ended. When will he make cldar that

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the pensions of tens of thotsands of loyal, hard-working steelworkers

:26:13.:26:16.

will be properly protected? When it comes to the steel industry, it is

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very important industry in our country. I grew up in Teesshde,

:26:23.:26:28.

where it was particularly prominent. I've had some very productive

:26:29.:26:31.

discussions during the summdr, including visiting South Wales, to

:26:32.:26:35.

make sure that the government can give the right support to a

:26:36.:26:40.

sustainable future for the steel industry. They have been very

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constructive discussions and I'm very happy to make sure that he is

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aware of them. Number five, Mr Speaker. Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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Solar deployment has been a real UK success story, with almost 01

:27:04.:27:06.

gigawatts of capacity now installed. Of course, it is appropriatd to

:27:07.:27:10.

allow now for a period of stability following the changes made to

:27:11.:27:14.

protect consumer bills. The Secretary of State continues to keep

:27:15.:27:17.

the performance of the schele under review. The PricewaterhouseCoopers

:27:18.:27:25.

report in July showed almost 60 of companies are looking to diversify

:27:26.:27:30.

away from solar, and nearly four in ten considering leaving the solar

:27:31.:27:34.

market entirely as a result of your policy changes. What steps will the

:27:35.:27:38.

Minister take to avoid business confidence in this important sector

:27:39.:27:44.

dropping further? There is remarkably little sign that

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confidence is dropping in the sector. There is recognition that

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those changes had to be madd, and the sector has responded relarkably

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resilient knee to the changds made. Let us not forget that they have

:27:55.:27:58.

also been spreading expertise in solar internationally. Dodgd

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resiliently. This is a long,term success story. I welcome thd team to

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their new roles. A signific`nt employer in my constituency have

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contacted me regarding concdrns about the re-evaluations of business

:28:15.:28:20.

rates, rooftop solar. The rdsult is a six to eight fold increasd in

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rates. Would my friend agredd to meet with representatives from the

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company to see how these effects can be mitigated? I'm grateful for the

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question. I know the companx well, it has substantial operation in

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Herefordshire. Of course, it is right to acknowledge that v`luations

:28:42.:28:45.

in this area are made by thd independent evaluation office. The

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department liaising with thd industry and the office on this

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issue, but I certainly would be delighted to meet with the company

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and him to discuss it. Has the Minister done any analysis of the

:28:59.:29:03.

relationship of payback perhods for commercial and rooftop solar,

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particularly school solar, hn relation to that proposed hhke in

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business rates quiz back -- business rates? Does he intend to ch`nge

:29:15.:29:19.

tariffs if the valuation coles into place? I simply repeat that the

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matter is under review. We haven't seen what the agency proposds, and

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we will look at it closely when we see what they have done. Thd

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Minister talks about stabilhty, by which he is referring to a 83% drop

:29:33.:29:39.

in solar installations this year. After a 64% cut in subsidy to solar,

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and eight fold hike in the proposed business rates, it would appear that

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the next attack on solar renewables is already being planned. C`n the

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Minister confirmed whether ht is by incompetence or by calculathon that

:29:55.:29:59.

changes to charges put forw`rd by the regulator to end the unfair

:30:00.:30:03.

advantage to highly polluting diesel generators, will in fact negatively

:30:04.:30:06.

impact on small-scale renew`bles like solar? I think it is whdely

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understood, Mr Speaker, that the sector needed some changes to the

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feed in tariffs, because thd effect of them was to hit consumers very

:30:18.:30:24.

hard in the pocket. These charges are paid by consumers. Let's not

:30:25.:30:30.

forget that 99% of all solar panels installed have been installdd over

:30:31.:30:34.

the last six years. Number six, Mr Speaker. With permission, Mr

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Speaker, I will answer six with seven. This government supports

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innovation, soon to be part of UK research and innovation. It has

:30:49.:30:53.

invested over ?1.8 billion hn innovation since 2007. Innovators

:30:54.:30:56.

connecting businesses to local growth through its regional

:30:57.:31:02.

managers. There is also support through ?200 million of loc`l growth

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funding. As Channel and -- `s chairman, the space industrx has

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outgrown the economy by 10% or through the austerity years. The

:31:14.:31:18.

space industry is worried about the issues caused by Brexiteer dven

:31:19.:31:22.

though it is outside the European Union. Which he give us your

:31:23.:31:27.

reassurance that the industry will not be an overlooked? We recognise

:31:28.:31:34.

the value of space to our economy and are working closely with

:31:35.:31:37.

industry to understand their concerns. Also working closdly

:31:38.:31:40.

across government to understand the impact of the referendum and all the

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opportunities associated with it, and will continue to do this as we

:31:45.:31:47.

shape our future relationshhp with European Union. Thank you, Speaker.

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The success of our agriculttral industry is dependent on thd latest

:31:54.:31:56.

innovations in agricultural science and technology driven forward by

:31:57.:32:00.

world leading research centres like one on the outskirts of York. What

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assurances can the Minister give that agri- food research will

:32:05.:32:08.

continue to play an important role in the government's overall strategy

:32:09.:32:12.

so for supporting innovation and ultimately delivering food security?

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This government is investing ?1 0 million in agri- tech, incltding

:32:19.:32:21.

incentives for agricultural innovation to ensure that otr world

:32:22.:32:24.

leading science is improving productivity and farms. In `ddition,

:32:25.:32:34.

a week UK wide food innovathon network which is to be launched very

:32:35.:32:36.

shortly, will give businessds greater access to technologx and

:32:37.:32:39.

science. Will be Minister ensure that the devolved legislatures right

:32:40.:32:42.

across the United Kingdom, the relevant ministers there, are

:32:43.:32:45.

brought together to ensure the best practice in innovation right across

:32:46.:32:49.

the United Kingdom is not jtst replicated but brought forw`rd in

:32:50.:32:53.

each of the relevant sections across the UK? Mr Speaker, we are working

:32:54.:33:01.

closely with the devolved administrations as we put through

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the creation of UK research and innovation. Excellent science and

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innovation will be supported through this new body, and we look forward

:33:09.:33:13.

to continuing to fund excellence in science and innovation wherdver it

:33:14.:33:17.

is found in the United Kingdom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Innovation is

:33:18.:33:23.

key to our regional economids, helping to create high skilled,

:33:24.:33:27.

well-paid jobs. Innovation needs investment and research and

:33:28.:33:30.

development, and small businesses to make a success of new ideas.

:33:31.:33:36.

European funding has helped grow our regional innovation infrastructure,

:33:37.:33:42.

the Northeast alone receives ?1 0 million in research funding from now

:33:43.:33:48.

until 2020. While 72% of EU funding to UK businesses goes to sm`ll and

:33:49.:33:52.

medium-sized businesses. Will the minister commit to matching the

:33:53.:33:57.

funding for innovation which currently comes from the European

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Union? Mr Speaker, we have been monitoring the impact, or any

:34:05.:34:08.

impact, on our research institutions and businesses since the referendum.

:34:09.:34:14.

The announcement on August the 3th by HM Treasury that it will

:34:15.:34:17.

underwrite the rifle of the project or competitively bid for EU research

:34:18.:34:20.

funding that is applied for performed a partner -- underwrite

:34:21.:34:30.

for the life of the project funding that is applied for before

:34:31.:34:42.

departure. Consumer product safety is a government priority. Wd have an

:34:43.:34:46.

effective system of product brief call and have established a steering

:34:47.:34:53.

group to consider recommend`tions in the 2016 product recall revhew. We

:34:54.:34:58.

will engage with the London Fire Brigade on their campaign as part of

:34:59.:35:04.

our regular dialogue with them. You'll be aware of the fire in

:35:05.:35:08.

Shepherd's Bush tower block last month caused by a defective towel

:35:09.:35:17.

dry. The woman could do nothing to stop the fire destroying her home

:35:18.:35:20.

and 25 others. Does the Minhster agree that such drivers can continue

:35:21.:35:27.

to be used if not unattended is irresponsible and dangerous, and

:35:28.:35:31.

will she get it changed -- such tumble dryers? I was shocked to hear

:35:32.:35:36.

about the serious fire in the Honourable member's constittency and

:35:37.:35:39.

understand his concerns abott the safety of tumble dryers. Thd advice

:35:40.:35:43.

being provided by the company is based on a full risk assesslent of

:35:44.:35:46.

the products that has been `greed with Peterborough City Council

:35:47.:35:52.

trading standards, who are the lead enforcement of authority for

:35:53.:35:54.

Whirpool. Trading standards will continue to monitor the sittation

:35:55.:35:58.

and to have powers to order further action if they consider it

:35:59.:36:03.

appropriate. Tumble dryer fhres each day in this country, almost 250

:36:04.:36:09.

since the start of 2012. Will the Minister ensure there are fhreproof

:36:10.:36:14.

labels on all tumble dryers with make, model, serial number, so that

:36:15.:36:17.

when fires do occur they can be traced to the manufacturer? I thank

:36:18.:36:25.

my honourable friend for his question. Although there have been

:36:26.:36:29.

the serious fires, they do `ctually represents less than 0.2% of the

:36:30.:36:35.

total numbers of tumble drydrs sold. So we have to keep these thhngs in

:36:36.:36:45.

perspective. The review that provides an overview of the current

:36:46.:36:49.

consumer product recall system. And the independent recall revidw group,

:36:50.:36:55.

comprised of industry safetx experts and the chief fire officers

:36:56.:36:59.

Association, will complete the work on these recommendations. Ntmber

:37:00.:37:06.

nine, please. Is a department, where absolutely committed to enstring

:37:07.:37:10.

only safe products are placdd on the market, including laser pens. Given

:37:11.:37:15.

the risks associated with mhsuse of these pens, we are reviewing what

:37:16.:37:20.

more we can do to protect consumers and aircraft. Thank you for that

:37:21.:37:26.

answer. Last year, there was over 1300 incidents where certain laser

:37:27.:37:34.

pens were used to target aircraft and infrastructure. Will he support

:37:35.:37:39.

the bill to regulate the sale of these pence, supported by the

:37:40.:37:42.

British airline pilots Association? Can congratulate my friend for his

:37:43.:37:46.

persistence and passion in pursuing this very important issue, because

:37:47.:37:51.

there are significant risks attached to misuse. I sure that the

:37:52.:37:54.

government is taking very sdriously and there is a cross Whiteh`ll group

:37:55.:37:58.

looking urgently now at our options, including the case for further

:37:59.:38:01.

legislation. By mixing me h`ppy in that context to meet him. Would the

:38:02.:38:08.

Minister help the leading manufacturer of laser pens hn my

:38:09.:38:13.

constituency, was a great stpporter of the northern Powerhouse, and will

:38:14.:38:16.

be attending Thursday's big conference in Yorkshire. On

:38:17.:38:22.

innovation and creativity in Yorkshire. What he wants to know is

:38:23.:38:27.

why Lord O'Neill was suddenly pulled as a speaker, no substitute offered,

:38:28.:38:31.

and we hear that the governlent will not have anything to do with elected

:38:32.:38:35.

mayors all northern powerhotse. What is the situation now? Can wd talk

:38:36.:38:46.

about laser pens, rather th`n the engagements of Lord O'Neill. Let me

:38:47.:38:53.

take this opportunity to refute absolutely any suggestion that the

:38:54.:38:55.

government has lost any comlitment to the northern powerhouse hn terms

:38:56.:39:01.

of engagements. If you'd like to speak to me, I will try and throw

:39:02.:39:03.

some light. The member is a exponent of this

:39:04.:39:15.

shoehorning technique. He could broadly write a book on the subject.

:39:16.:39:24.

I welcome the question from a colleague I have enjoyed watching at

:39:25.:39:30.

work, his incisive questionhng of a fellow minister. He is now directing

:39:31.:39:34.

that Quinn eschewing to me, unfortunately. -- questioning to me.

:39:35.:39:43.

The department has received a copy of the PwC reports, this has been a

:39:44.:39:48.

great success story over thd past year is. The goal now is to try and

:39:49.:39:57.

move the industry towards the capacity to deliver without subsidy.

:39:58.:40:03.

I thank the Minister for his generous comments, and also for

:40:04.:40:05.

chairing might Select Committee I wish them well in the new role. PwC

:40:06.:40:11.

suggests a bird of solar jobs have been lost and the last year, and

:40:12.:40:15.

many more copies expect to lose staff in the next 12 months. It has

:40:16.:40:21.

been suggested that rate ch`nges will affect the industry more. What

:40:22.:40:26.

the Government taken in to `ccount these gimlet Messers and do

:40:27.:40:29.

something positive for the hndustry? I share the concerns about job

:40:30.:40:34.

losses as a result of changds in the industry. I made some points about

:40:35.:40:40.

the way the industry has ch`nged, and your report picked out the

:40:41.:40:44.

resilience of the industry `nd its capacity to respond to change,

:40:45.:40:51.

including, potentially, to Brexit. It's noticeable that of manx schemes

:40:52.:40:55.

are already quite close to being a viable without subsidy in cdrtain

:40:56.:41:01.

circumstances. The key now hs to move further towards that. We will

:41:02.:41:06.

look very closely towards the issues highlighted today.

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With your permission, I will answer this question together with question

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15. The Government has made it clear where open for business and

:41:20.:41:21.

determined to make a success of leaving EU, including seizing the

:41:22.:41:26.

opportunity to negotiate our own trade agreements.

:41:27.:41:32.

I believe leaving the EU offers great opportunity for British

:41:33.:41:35.

business going forward. We lust be aware of certain threats. Mx

:41:36.:41:41.

constituency has a business which works with an explosion protection.

:41:42.:41:46.

It is very complex and has ` registration programme with the EU.

:41:47.:41:51.

He is concerned his business will be hampered. Will my honourabld friend

:41:52.:41:57.

the vigilant of issues like this, to make sure that we are able to

:41:58.:42:01.

counter threats as well as take advantage of opportunities?

:42:02.:42:05.

We want to make sure the new relationship with the EU works for

:42:06.:42:10.

British businesses, and his constituents raises an important

:42:11.:42:20.

issue. We need to have clarhty on certification and similar issues.

:42:21.:42:26.

I'm sure we can arrange a mdeting to discuss it.

:42:27.:42:32.

Does the Minister welcome the figures that predict our exports

:42:33.:42:39.

will go up after the referendum results? And Willie confirm who he

:42:40.:42:49.

has spoken to that are positive about our potential future?

:42:50.:42:55.

I voted remain mark and belheve that we should talk up our prospdcts are

:42:56.:43:02.

not up and down. The chairm`n iron spoken to have expressed sole

:43:03.:43:09.

bizarre for more certainty but were fundamentally optimistic about our

:43:10.:43:13.

prospects. There is a British jurisdiction that

:43:14.:43:16.

is entirely accessed by road, air and by sea through another Duropean

:43:17.:43:24.

Union member state, and that is the British Overseas Territory of

:43:25.:43:28.

Gibraltar. They are absolutdly of the opinion they need to retain

:43:29.:43:31.

access to the single Europe`n market. What discussions as a hat

:43:32.:43:36.

with Gibraltarian counterparts to ensure that happens? -- discussions

:43:37.:43:43.

has he had? We are engaged with a series of

:43:44.:43:47.

discussions with stakeholders and Gibraltar will be part of that.

:43:48.:43:53.

With the Minister or his te`m meet with the leader of the official

:43:54.:43:57.

opposition in Northern Irel`nd, where we have an excellent document

:43:58.:44:01.

on the vision of the future of Northern Ireland after Brexht?

:44:02.:44:07.

The short answer is yes, we are very keen to harvest all opinions and

:44:08.:44:12.

ideas on how we meet this fundamental and exciting ch`llenge

:44:13.:44:18.

of how we transition to a post-Brexit world that works for

:44:19.:44:21.

British business. Topical questions.

:44:22.:44:29.

The Department of business dnergy and a doctoral strategy was formed

:44:30.:44:35.

on the 14th of July, and it is my privilege to serve as the fhrst

:44:36.:44:43.

Secretary of State. We are creating a new focus on industrial strategy.

:44:44.:44:47.

This is a powerful departments, out of the task of promoting a

:44:48.:44:51.

competitor, low carbon economy. And an economy that works for everyone.

:44:52.:44:55.

As part of an excellent teal of ministers and officials, I will

:44:56.:44:59.

continue to work both locally and globally on the challenges `head.

:45:00.:45:08.

The Swansea Bay tidal ago, `long the Cardiff Bay, new port and Bridgwater

:45:09.:45:12.

Bay has the potential to crdate huge energy. Second largest rise and fall

:45:13.:45:20.

in the world's tides. When `re we going to get a result, we nded

:45:21.:45:24.

long-term funding for a project which will reach 8% of our dnergy?

:45:25.:45:31.

My understanding is that thd feasibility study is being

:45:32.:45:36.

undertaken. I haven't received it final conclusions yet. At that

:45:37.:45:39.

point, I will look with the same interest as my honourable friend.

:45:40.:45:47.

The European Commission says that Apple should cough up ?30 mhllion in

:45:48.:45:53.

taxes for revenues created `cross the EU, including the UK. Most

:45:54.:45:59.

businesses pay their fair share of taxes and expects all other

:46:00.:46:02.

businesses, large or small, to do the same. Can the Secretary of State

:46:03.:46:07.

confirm he is doing everythhng he can to make sure the very bhggest

:46:08.:46:12.

companies pay up, and also that we receive our share of the ?13 billion

:46:13.:46:18.

Apple tax pie? It is a reasonable point. The

:46:19.:46:22.

responsibilities that come with being in business in this country

:46:23.:46:25.

and paying taxes that contrhbute to public services that we enjoy as

:46:26.:46:30.

part of that. He does have my assurance that we

:46:31.:46:35.

will make sure that we purste the correct tax by all companies that

:46:36.:46:41.

locate here. On Thursday I'll be chairing a panel

:46:42.:46:46.

at the enterprise innovation and Northern Powerhouse conference. In

:46:47.:46:51.

developing an industrial strategy, does the Minister agree with me that

:46:52.:46:56.

we need to do to win more hdarts and minds and then North. More dxamples

:46:57.:47:03.

of regional procurement and more jobs in the North, particul`rly with

:47:04.:47:10.

HS2 perhaps starting from the North? The passion with which my honourable

:47:11.:47:14.

friend makes his point tests to the opportunities that are in otr

:47:15.:47:19.

industrial strategy to make sure that growth is across the United

:47:20.:47:22.

Kingdom, including Yorkshird. He will know I have taken great

:47:23.:47:27.

interest in this and my previous roles, he can be assured th`t

:47:28.:47:32.

interest will not be diminishing. The current review of network

:47:33.:47:37.

charging for small embedded generators will mean huge increases

:47:38.:47:43.

in the costs of these small generators. If the department just

:47:44.:47:47.

determined to make energy gdneration the preserve of big businesses?

:47:48.:47:53.

No, I categorically refute that What we have to do is strikd a

:47:54.:47:59.

balance between looking to drive down the costs of all sourcds of

:48:00.:48:03.

carbon generation, while delivering the best value for consumers and

:48:04.:48:08.

taxpayers. That includes reviews of terrace.

:48:09.:48:15.

Can the Minister ensure that breaks and financial services, and tourism

:48:16.:48:23.

sectors, as we approach European negotiations?

:48:24.:48:27.

I can assure the honourable member that we plan to put at the heart of

:48:28.:48:35.

industrial strategy science and innovation, financial services as

:48:36.:48:37.

part of the services sector will also play an important part of our

:48:38.:48:44.

strategy. Last week, the Government committed

:48:45.:48:47.

to ratifying the Paris clim`te agreement. Will commit to doing so

:48:48.:48:53.

for the next conference of parties in Morocco is the Government can

:48:54.:48:59.

play a full role in that sulmit We helped shape the Paris agreement,

:49:00.:49:06.

we said we will ratify as soon as possible, that remains our position.

:49:07.:49:14.

Britain is undoubtedly a world reader in scientific research. Will

:49:15.:49:17.

my right honourable friend detail what role science will pay to the

:49:18.:49:22.

macro play in the Government's strategy?

:49:23.:49:27.

It will position the UK as ` leader for the 21st-century. The bho

:49:28.:49:37.

economy is worth billions, 36%. . The potential is there to grow, and

:49:38.:49:43.

will continue to invest strongly. The Secretary of State is a

:49:44.:49:47.

thoughtful man who, I believe, is serious about regional growth. Will

:49:48.:49:53.

he assured me I'm right in this understanding by cancelling his

:49:54.:49:57.

predecessor's decision to cdntralise department functions in London.

:49:58.:50:02.

Thereby maintaining and building upon its presence in Sheffidld?

:50:03.:50:08.

I would say that I am certahnly very attached to the work done in

:50:09.:50:12.

Sheffield, and the valued colleagues we have up there. The decishon has

:50:13.:50:17.

made some time ago, and manx changes had been made. We sort out the

:50:18.:50:23.

responsibilities of different parts of the departments, I'll look

:50:24.:50:26.

carefully at what Sheffield can provide.

:50:27.:50:36.

What can be done to make colmunity energy schemes are viable?

:50:37.:50:42.

As explained previously, thd Government is very committed to the

:50:43.:50:49.

deployment of renewable energy, and has had considerable success in that

:50:50.:50:55.

field. The expansion of Heathrow would

:50:56.:51:01.

create demand for 370,000 tonnes of steel, and secure 700 steel jobs. So

:51:02.:51:06.

it is not only in the interdst of the UK economy generally th`t we

:51:07.:51:10.

expand Heathrow, but specifhcally in the interest of the manufacturing

:51:11.:51:14.

sector. So why don't we just get on with it, had the vote in thd

:51:15.:51:18.

chamber, and get on with buhlding the third runway?

:51:19.:51:22.

I would say that across manx different forms of infrastrtcture,

:51:23.:51:27.

we do need an upgrade in thd infrastructure we have. That'll have

:51:28.:51:32.

many important benefit to the steel industry, including in Sheffield.

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It's hugely encouraging the Government is developing thhs

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compounds of industrial str`tegy, which I believe for great boost and

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confidence and our steel industry. Can the Minister update a House what

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discussions he has had about the role he will play?

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I have had extensive discussions with these steel industry. Ht is

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important we should have a hs a stable future for what is an

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important factor in our economy A shipping company has gone into

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receivership, leaving billions of goods at sea. The inability to dock

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has impacted on UK retail, critically juddering Christlas

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trading... We have a lot to get through.

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What action is seat taking to assist traders and our seafarers?

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Will that away. In terms of immediate impact, the Local

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Enterprise Partnership are dngaged with making sure the delays are

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going to be overcome. Many will commence at the Mhnister

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for putting science at the centre of a strategy, but I wonder of as he

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plans for the future of the life sciences industry if he will work

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with the Minister of health, because the health service will be critical

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to the growth of that industry? I was interested to read my

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honourable friend's article earlier this week making this point. In some

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point in the Government takds a collective approach on this, I've

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already had discussions with the Health Secretary and how we can make

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the most of the NHS. What the Government look ag`in at

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the unjust 50% Government claw back from the mine workerss' pension

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service? I will certainly take that `way and

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I'm happy to meet with the honourable leader issued like to

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inform you more about this outside the chamber.

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Does the Department intent to develop a single industrial strategy

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for the whole country, or h`ve different strategies differdnt parts

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of the country? My honourable friend makes a good point. It seems to me

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essential that of course we should have a strategy for the whole

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country, but place is incredibly important. The challenges of the

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places like greater Manchester are different from those of Cornwall. We

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should reflect the different strengths and opportunities more

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clearly in how we do business as a government. Does the Ministdr accept

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that changes to subsidy for the CHP biomass plants have been brought in

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to quickly and longer grace period before an implementation should have

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been granted? In my constittency, they are doing what the govdrnment

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want by investing in renewable technology but stand to losd 3

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million in support. Will he meet with me to discuss these ch`nges?

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All kindness and charity to the honourable gentleman that hd was at

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his best at the end of the first sentence. A blue pencil shotld

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therefore after have been applied. As a former treasurer of thd SNP, he

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knows a bit about the challdnges as cost control. He knows in the

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context of these changes, are overriding aim is to providd better

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value for the tax payer. Thdy will apply to new participants whth they

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fully qualify for the schemd. Those who fully qualified on or after the

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1st of August will be subject to the change. If it is a specific issue

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your wish is to raise with le I ll be happy to meet him. Brexit

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provides the UK with an opportunity to be the global leader in dnergy

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technology. Offshore wind, dnergy storage and carbon capture. Can the

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Minister confirm that the government will reset energy policy so that the

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country can take full advantage of this great opportunity? My

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honourable friend is absolutely right. One of the historic strengths

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of the United Kingdom is in areas such as marine engineering `nd power

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engineering, which is at thd heart of the opportunities around the

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world as many countries look to develop their capacity in rdnewable

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energy. This is a big opportunity, especially for his constitudncy Can

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the Secretary of State guar`ntee that all employment protecthon

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currently enjoyed by British workers will be maintained post Brexit and

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does he back my bill to do just that? We will certainly look

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carefully at the Honourable Lady's bill. Employment protections are an

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absolute priority for this government. The financial vhability

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of many low-carbon on-site heat and power technologies is under threat

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due to the reduction in the terror. Would his department considdr having

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a separate tariff rate for the new technologies rather than behng

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treated the same as other technologies? -- reduction hn the

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tariff. The government is rdviewing how the renewable heat incentive

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works and is being forced to make some changes to tariffs in order to

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provide better value for thd tax payer. I'm more than happy to sit

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down and talk with him about his suggestion. Welcome Secretary of

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State to his place as I do ly colleague. A new report frol a

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professor of Aberdeen University has found the re-engineering of the

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fiscal regime may be necess`ry before we reach the North Sda's

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potential. What further support will the government bring forward for the

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oil and gas sector in the Attumn Statement? Very productive set of

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discussions in Aberdeen durhng the summer with representatives of the

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oil and gas sector. The indtstry centred in Aberdeen but involving

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other places in the country is very important. We have made big changes

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for the fiscal regime but wd'll continue to have those disctssions.

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He earlier described his self as being on a historic task in writing

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industrial strategy. If he studies strategy, it is written prilarily by

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civil servants and ministers tend to fail. What steps will he take to

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engage businesses in Lancashire to make sure we have a successful

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strategy? I'm grateful for ly honourable friend's point. Ht is the

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case that an industrial str`tegy for the country should not be

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instructions from ministers or civil servants to businesses and the rest

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of the country. We are engaging with businesses all across the country

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and in every different sector to make sure they have the support they

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need. Does the Secretary of State believe it is conceivable this

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country can negotiate for mdmbership of the single market without

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accepting free movement? Mr Speaker, the Honourable gentleman entices me

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into making early decisions on what our negotiating mandate shotld be. I

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think it is the sensible stdp to be careful and to put together our

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negotiating brief and to do that in consultation with businesses and

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every part of the country. Speaker, I welcome the government's `nd

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genuine commitment to the Northern Powerhouse. Will the secret`ry of

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state meet with me and other leaders to maximise benefit? I'm always keen

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to meet the Honourable gentleman, despite the fact that I've loved

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from one department to another. I hope the invitation to fish and

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chips still stands! Is a joxous state has met with many bushnesses.

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Can he list which of those businesses support leaving the

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single market -- the Secret`ry of State has met. What I can s`y is

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that we are putting together the priorities we have for our

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negotiating in consultation with businesses in all parts of the

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country. She will have the chance through her party to contribute to

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the Scottish Government to contribute to that, and we'll

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publish that when we have fhnished. There are 50 air B in Newark and

:00:25.:00:29.

Cuba have cut the cost of a night out in Nottingham by almost 50%

:00:30.:00:35.

Will he support innovative disruptive technologies are not

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buried our heads in the sand. - and Uber have cut the cost. He

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highlights the importance of innovation in driving industrial

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growth and little undoubtably be in the centre of the industrial

:00:49.:00:52.

strategy as it is rolled out. Following the recommendation of the

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select committee to remove Paul Newby as adjudicator, new evidence

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has emerged that shows that he failed to properly declare his

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interests and also middle at the -- misled the select committee. Will he

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restore confidence in this post by now sacking him? My underst`nding is

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that the appointment followdd a proper process. That is what I

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understand to have taken pl`ce, but I will look at the suggestion is

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that the Honourable gentlem`n has just raised. And generally sorry to

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disappoint remaining colleagues I have extended the envelope rather

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substantially, but we must now move on. Point of Gardner -- point of

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honour. I haven't contacted by leading businessmen up and down the

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country regarding the effichency and effectiveness of members of this

:01:47.:01:52.

house. They have asked me if they could not be informal ratings of how

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hard members

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