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We'll go live to the House of Lords. You can watch coverage of all of

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today's business after the daily politics later tonight. According to

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the onus, the average income has folded by 22% by 2000 eight, fallen

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over that period. The importance of touching on these issues is to

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emphasise that employment policy is not about better that it should be

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about the quality of jobs, the decent work is the word that is

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growing. How wide will its attention span and be on this issue? We have

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long signed up to the importance of work and getting people back into

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work. We have heard about good works being good for 1's health. The

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proposition about work being the best route out of poverty. Without

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work benefit support from the government -- 80% of the active

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population is an ambitious target to have four full employment. It was

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one adopted by the previous Labour government. It was noted as being

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ambitious, although progress was being made before the banking crisis

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of 2008. We know that the Minister is wary of targets, but can he say

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what the government will base its judgement for employment on?

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Government would prefer a formulation to affect the implement

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a rate should be the highest in the G7. I cannot imagine that this would

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satisfy a purist like the Minister. The UK at 73% is somewhere in the

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middle behind Germany and Japan, but ahead of the US and France I

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believe. Making progress toward full employment must entail the

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government is delivering on its commitment to close the implement

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gap. The employment gap between employment people and the rest of

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the population has been a remarkably stubborn for a number of years. That

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statistic, as we have heard, masks a range of different outcomes as we

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discussed our debate, and the review produced. The employment rate for

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learning disabilities is about 8%, and for those with autism about 15%.

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We dad the Mac. It needs a change in public and

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employer perception. The highly regarded work choice looked as if it

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was an insufficient focus. Any other place, the Minister said that it was

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necessary to lower the gap, because it is inextricable from formal

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employment. -- full employment. There are rate range of issues that

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would stop full employment. Which he outlined the concept as how he would

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see that rate to be the target constructed, and the extent to which

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he will discuss the range of issues that the Lords have identified? I

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will address the amendments relating to self employment. Amendment a 61

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it relates to how the minimum income plot in the self employment and how

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it works with universal credit. Universal credit supports those on

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low incomes, and ensures that work will pay. Self-employment

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realistically to financial self-sufficiency compared to other

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routes to help businesses. The welfare system is not there to prop

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up unproductive or lossmaking businesses. The minimum income plot

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is there to incentivize individuals to increase their earnings from sell

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the appointment. Those subject to the minimum income plot are exempt

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from having to search for or to carry out any other work, allowing

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them to concentrate on making a success of their business and

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maximizing their returns up to and beyond the level of the minimum

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income flaw. When it comes to the changes to the national living

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minimum wage, that means that the competition, the pay of the

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competitor to the self-employed will be going up. In relative terms, they

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have an opportunity to increase their pay. The other thing that the

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minimum income plot is to address a loophole in the system where

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individuals can report little or zero income, and still receive full

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financial support. That is neither desirable nor sustainable to

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maintain. The amendment seeks to allow for flexibility. This power

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already exists, and it provides significant -- detention for up to

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12 months of claimants who are starting out and taking active steps

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to increase their earnings. But the reporting allows universal credit to

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be adjusted on the universal basis, to late ensure that people do not

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have to wait several months for an increase in universal credit. We

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have put in, following a report, they disregard for income on a

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monthly basis. This approach eradicates the over and under

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payment issue generated by the current system, which is done on

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assumed average earnings. We need to make this work for particular

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groups. One group is equity. We have regular meetings with equity to make

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sure that we understand, and that we get there, and other concerns, but

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the reality of the working lives of people with an equity right, and

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adjusted to them. We are testing have to help and how to provide

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support for the self-employed. Helping them move up, employing

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specialised work, and we will test all of this out as we roll-out. The

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noble Baroness is ahead of the game. The numbers who are self employed

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under universal credit are low. We need to monitor how this works, and

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the implementation of the income flaw works. As we roll-out universal

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credit. Let me turn to a series of amendments about the annual report

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on unemployment to include specific data on various different groups. I

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must point out that we have not built into universal credit the

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requirements to capture specific new management information associated

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with these amendments under our current plans. Seeking to do so now

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would not represent -- we have a relatively short timescale to report

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this information. It could, more importantly, disrupt the universal

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credit implementation timeline. Amendment 66, proposes to extend

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reporting duty to include information about self-employed. The

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UK Labour market is the most diverse -- one of the most diverse in the

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world for self employment. We want to do all we can to and courage

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entrepreneurs. The government has launched to reduce to see how we can

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better support self-employment. There is a weekly allowance for the

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first six months. This amendment would require the annual report and

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progress toward unemployment to include Telmex include information

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about the number of people self-employed. These figures are

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published every month as part of the Labour market data. We do not feel

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that we need to monitor, specifically, the particular share

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of self-employed jobs. Turning to the other amendments, amendment 63,

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that full employment -- I am sure that everyone in the chamber

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understands exactly what he referred to stop. Full employment should mean

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80% of the working age population. I blessed with pleasure when he

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mentioned by peace in 2007 on reducing dependency. It set up the

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challenges that the country needed to face. It was to be serious about

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full employment. I did write about it, as he rightly says. In the

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context of the Labour government's aspirations to achieve an 80% of

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working age population. There has quite a lot changed in the 80%

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figure stop The first thing to adjust is the awareness definition

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of the population, that it has moved as a result of equalization

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attention to 65 for both men and women. The 80% aspiration has moved

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down to 78%. There is also another slightly less mechanical change, the

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makeup of the population. Older people, and with young people

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entering the Labour market later because of their participation in

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education has been increasing. The affect of all of those I have

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estimated. I had a feeling that the Noble Lord of my wanted very

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detailed analysis. The effect of those changes puts the 80% figure

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closer to 75%. The manifesto commitment uses the comparative to

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be the highest employment rate of the big seven industrial companies.

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Ironically, that would mean raising our implement rate to around 75%,

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more or less the same figure. I am using the UK stated rates, not the

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international comparison rates. It is moving from the 73.7%, to the

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latest report is 75%, roughly a million people. That would represent

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our highest implement rate. We are at our highest implement rate now.

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The target also means that if the other competitive countries move up

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further, that pulls our target up with it. On balance, I think that

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achieving the target would put us pretty close to something as

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challenging as what I was writing about way back in 2007. The first

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part of amendment 67 would require a separate annual report on the

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progress being made toward the disability employment gap. The

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latter amendments would also require a number of specific information,

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such as the employment rates of different groups of disabled people.

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However, as progress against the disability gap amendments, a key

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amendment -- the sentiments are not necessary, as that progress would be

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reported in the annual report on full employment in any case. The

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points on how we need to bring together the climate and health

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social care to support disabled people is one that we accept. One of

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the things that we are proposing which has been called the book for

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-- called for, is a radical form -- reform of how we provided this

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support. On the access to a work issue and

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the spending review announced that reeled terms increase in fundings

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for work. This would allow it to expand, sustainably, a response to

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the query from the noble lady. Similar requests on amendment 64

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about carers -- this government recognises the vital role that

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carers provide. Many carers are also in work. The current family resorts

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report shows that in 2013 and 2014 all carers were in some kind of

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work. The OMS already publishes information on the number of people

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outside of the ever market working at home. It would be difficult to

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track all former carers who have returned to employment following the

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end of their implements rule, because some will not claimant

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benefits, and they will be able to move back into work with the help of

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job centre plus. Those who start looking for work initially claimant

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benefits can get access to a range of support to the job centre

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network. Worked -- help can be tailored, and when they successfully

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move into work, they don't have to tell job centre plus the reason for

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their claim. Amendment number 64 a including information on the

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self-employed. Her point on the some of the trends. She made the point

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that self-employment makeup most of the employment growth for 2011. That

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is a statistical quirk that happened because a number of employees fell

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sharply in the recession as always does. All of the losses of employees

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have been regained, and they are up by one half million since 2010. --

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one and a half million. He is taking us through a series of reasons as to

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why he cannot do the granularity in the report. It was his aspirations

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to have a higher wage lower worker economy that benefits all. Unless

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Parliament has some granularity for setting that progress, the

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Chancellor is setting his own aspiration and his own system,

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because what everybody agrees on is that there has a material change in

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the nature of implement over the last ten years, which influences

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what people can earn and how they can participate in the Labour force.

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Aspiring to a local welfare government that benefits all, we

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need to understand these trends, relating to people who are disabled,

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self-employed, or who have contracts. The Lord seems to be

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listing white these cannot be provided. I don't have to tell her

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that a lot of these issues are quite contentious, and there is a lot of

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analysis going on, some of which takes many years to complete end to

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come to fruition. The problem is that this is a commitment that runs

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to the rest of this particular government into 2020. To put in some

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of the information requirements that some of these amendments are in

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practice looking for, is expensive, risks delaying universal credit

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because we are under a tight timetable. The primary interest is

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to see us move with as much speed as we safely can. It would not provide

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us with adequate information, given the amount of time that it takes to

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get the into shape. I hope that I have clearly summarised why we are

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not... There is not a horror at the prospect. We looked at it very

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deeply, and we felt that we have have to use the information that is

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available. The information that we are gathering to get this report to

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work. I am not trying to argue universal credit, I can understand

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some of the difficulties. At the very least, the government should

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give us a report on the progress it is making, so that we can begin to

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understand the kind of developments that are likely to happen, and the

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successes that the Chancellor might have. The whole point of this Clause

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is that we will put down a proposal of how we are intending to report

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unemployment. A lot of the thoughts here, into the specific requests and

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reasonings are pretty valuable to us as we develop how we can report best

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about our progress towards full employment. Our latest figures show

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40% of 16 to 20-year-olds, one of the lowest figures on record. It is

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a constantly changing group, and many leave the Labour market for

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short periods between jobs. It doesn't tell us in and of itself

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about unemployment. On zero hours, which I almost thought I wouldn't

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talk about, because we always have a little snippet each other about it,

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it is only 2% of the market. We have outlawed exclusivity clauses in this

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particular contracts. Part-time work, certainly over the last year,

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has been driven by people choosing to work part-time, that in mind I

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have been the case in the recession. It is a constantly changing group.

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Some of the concerns expressed by the noble lady, I feel like I am

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living in a parallel universe. The employment growth has been dominated

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by a full-time employment employees. It has risen in all agreements --

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regions since 2010. Wages are growing faster than inflation.

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Temporary work in the UK is among the lowest. The trends are more

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encouraging than they have been. Given these arguments, and that the

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statistics on these issues are widely available, I don't believe

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that specifying them to be in the report is necessary. I understand

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that full employment is not just about a particular percentage of

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working adults. We will, as I said, give further consideration as how

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best this annual report to reflect the diversity of Labour. I apologise

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for the length of my response. I urge noble Lords to withdraw their

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amendment. I would like to thank him for his

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response, obviously I will carefully read it. I would like to think him

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for taking part in the debate. The point of this whole range of

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amendments to this important part of the bill was to indicate that some

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of us do not think that there is sufficient focus on those areas when

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the issue of Social Security comes into consideration. These are not

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add-ons, as the Noble Lord the Minister has said, sometimes we

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think that we live in a parallel universe. It is not an issue of

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popping up failing businesses. It is the question of some seasonal and

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fluctuating businesses wanting consideration of their annual income

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so that there our funds when they claim Social Security. The noble or

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the Minister says there's some flexibility already that exist. I

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have to say there is little of that apart from the announcement that

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those in the first year business will be sent. Finally, I think it is

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important to to know that the self-employed, of course the number

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of universal credits... If you see an articulated one down the road --

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Lori coming down the road, you probably have an idea that you may

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get run over if you stay in the same place. What I am trying to say is

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that the establishment of minimal will cause trouble in universal

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credit in the future. I think it is a warning that is -- that should be

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well heated. I will seek leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment 62,

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not moved. Amendment 96 eight, not moved. Amendment 62 B. I want to

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take the opportunity to seek verification on an issue that was

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raised with me by a charity which represents parents and children with

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life limiting and life-threatening conditions. It is a brief amendment,

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but here is the issue, I understand that children under three are

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knowledgeable for the higher mobility component of DNA, I think

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that truck under three are generally not assume to be immobile. The

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assumption is that under threes will have to be carried in arms lifted

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into buggies and different cars and car thief, whether they have a

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disability or not. For most social and their parents it is true. -- car

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seats. There are small numbers of children that do need help and

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should have access. As a small group of children who depend on

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ventilated... Who have made one or more or other technologies which are

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life-sustaining. Children are in effect constantly attached to life

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sustaining equipment often bulky or heavy, the shot has to be based in a

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wheelchair, capable of carrying the equipment. Parents need especially

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adapt it or broad-based vehicles capable of caring these children

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linked together with their not small appointment. The children cannot be

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easily lifted out of cars like most children their age. Output of the

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Minister the case why this small group of children need mobility and

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now ends. Most of these children have to be placed in a medical

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Wiltshire are bad because they need support. These are heavy items, in

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addition to the life-sustaining equipment most of the children

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acquire a variety of equipment to go with them, wherever they are. This

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would include a spare ventilators come oxygen supply and mascot of

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emergency kits. That is in addition to all of the things parents have to

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carry as well. Buses will not take oxygen, with the inevitable risk of

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infection... As well as many susceptible to infection, they are

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prone to medical prices. The parents need to be able to get them to

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hospitals quickly for life-saving treatment 24 seven. They do not have

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a car and the children may not be assessed to have a safe living home.

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As was heartbreaking for the family and children, it could cost more

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from the highway mobility allowance of... What with this all cost? As a

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result of the Reform Act in 2012 disability living allowance has been

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replaced by people over the age of 16. They want open access to this

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component, for under threes to require life-sustaining equipment.

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There were nearly 49,000 people with life-threatening conditions. Only a

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very small portion of them are under threes to require life-sustaining

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equipment. To establish how many there may be, meeting this component

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of DLA, shall I submitted a freedom of information request in 2014. To

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ask how many parents of children under three had asked for a blue

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badge because the child was dependent on heavy medical

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appointment who needed to be near a vehicle in case there was an

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emergency treatment. I found that in 1530 children needed patches. The

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wording of this amendment is aligned to the criteria. If those figures

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are correct, the cost of giving all 1530 children access to the higher

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mobility rate will be about for ?5 million, that is a small sum for

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them. It would transform the lives of the families of the child with

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life-threatening or life limiting conditions. What I described seems

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like an anomaly, I cannot believe they will allow this to happen. I

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hope the Minister will give a careful response. I cannot see it

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reason for no one... I hope the Minister grid I have made the case

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that babies and children under three will depend on big and heavy

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life-sustaining women to stay alive in or have a need for immediate

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access to transport for medical reasons should be regarded as having

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an additional mobility and become eligible for the mobility element of

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DLA. Insert the New Clause printed on the list. Can I think the noble

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or tabling this and providing this clarity. I must express my own

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empathy regarding what this amendment aims to achieve. There can

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be no doubt of the position of a family with young disabled children.

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However I find myself in the usual position to reflect the position set

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out by the Noble Lord some six years ago when he was a government

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minister for work and pensions. On that occasion what was to become the

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2009 welfare reform Act was being debated in Grant committee, and he

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made a report that the bill introduced... A new provision which

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now gives access to the higher rate mobility component of DLA to

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severely, visually impaired people. In much the same terms, at least

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intended as the amendment we are discussing today was introduced to

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the Noble Lady baroness Thomas, on that occasion the Noble Lord Lord

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Mackenzie was sympathetic for the situation. Ultimately he resisted

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the motion. I quote him "In this difficult financial climate we need

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to consider carefully the potential cost of such change. This amendment

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would have caused an additional cost, the estimated cost was ?50

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million a year. This'll be a significant increase in what is

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unfortunately a difficult economic situation and is simply not

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affordable in the current context. " I have never been sad her to have to

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agree with the Noble Lord -- and to resist the motion. On the tech side,

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the amendment... That is because the distinction between the two rates

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has been lost. There are some unintended consequences of the

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amendment, most notably removing entitlement of the 16 rows of 500

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children -- 16,500 as a consequence of severe visual impairment. I think

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that is just drafting and I would not want to dwell on that issue, we

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can always work that out. The reason why there is the lower age, while

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many children can walk by age three, not all will have done so the

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promise of disability. And you would have been able to walk from eight

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considerable distance. HB provides a reasonable boundary line to what may

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be considered development of the lay and walking difficulties arising

:34:34.:34:36.

from a disability or long-term health condition. I think we can all

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agree that the majority of very young children, disabled or not,

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will lead to considerable degree of support and help from parents and

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care. Most parents will be will be carrying a bunch of equipment, I do

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recognize that some young children with particular conditions may be

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heavily reliant on additional equipment. Some that can be bulky

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and heavy. But, such technologies are improving all the time. Some are

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becoming lighter, smaller and more transportable. Despite it being

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unavailable to children so young, there exist a range of provisions

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which can help support children and their parents. The care component of

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DLA, there is no restriction on how it can be used in any entitlement

:35:34.:35:42.

can bring access. Hearings may also be a will to receive a blue badge,

:35:43.:35:48.

for free parking at the child is on heavy equipment. That leads me to

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questioning the provision of this amendment which focuses on children

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who need to be near a vehicle for treatment or for that vehicle to at

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least transfer for them with their equipment. The reason why question

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this is because on the basis of that the provision can only help those

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parents who have Artie had use of the motor vehicle who would gain

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access to the higher rate mobility, as I said earlier the amendment is

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not clear in its intent regarding the rate of children under three and

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they will become entitled. It is not clear whether such children will be

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turn a motor vehicle. Hence the turn a motor vehicle. Hence the

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amendment is currently drafted and excludes families without access to

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a vehicle. The second reason why question this is on a more practical

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basis. If a child requires emergency transportation along with Bulkley on

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medical appointment, it is doubtful that transportation by the parents

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is a reasonable and practical expectation. Our emergency services

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were much better equipped in terms of medical training in suitable

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vehicles are in place for this type of situation. Finally, I must turn

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to the finance part of it. This amendment goes further than that

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debate, and the time available we have been unable to determine how

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many children could potentially be entitled on this act. That would add

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to and are ready significant cost burden and further damage our

:37:26.:37:29.

capacity to stay within the welfare cap. I am sympathetic to the

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intentions behind the amendment, but the government cannot accept this on

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the basis of the offending cost implications. Regrettably, I have to

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agree with the Noble Lord, Lord Mackenzie. I urge them to withdraw

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this amendment. The Minister tell me how many children it is based on?

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I thought I knew the answer to that. Inspiration is striking, I hope.

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Sorry, it is 18,500, not 16,500. 18,500 under mysteries are in

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receipt of DLA and 5500 children impacted. Sorry. I am grateful for

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that, I am grateful on his thought to apply. I wonder when he goes back

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and read he may like to reflect on whether given all that he tells us,

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his view of the current economic situation how compares two or more

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of Mackenzie was in office, might you might feel that his own

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assessment may be different. I can see that the two are of one mind. I

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would ask him to think very hard. Lord Mackenzie has put his name to

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this motion is supportive of it today. I would wonder whether he

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would like to be willing for his would like to be willing for his

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department to meet someone from short lives, perhaps with me. I

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think it would like to understand the basis of the argument he is made

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in. -- making. I would appreciate meeting them, with the Noble Lady.

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As I said, I do really regret what I have had to say. I agree to withdraw

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the amendment. Amendment 62 C, not moved. Amendment 62 D from the

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supplementary sheet, not moved. Amendment 63, not moved. Amending 64

:40:15.:40:23.

not moved. The question is that cause one stands, as many of that

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opinion will say content, the contrary not content. The contents

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haven't. Amendment 65, not moved. Amendment 66, not moved. Amendment

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67, not moved. Clause to amendment 68. I have had discussions with the

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chief, I am not terribly happy about this evening as late as it is,

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particularly there are a number of colleagues who are severely

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disabled. They are spending a lot to late hours working on this bill. I

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am prepared for us to proceed this group of amendments, I would hope

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that this debate can be relatively short. I hope that colleagues will

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see the sense that we should not be working this late in the sort of

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legislation. In response to that remark is, I should say that the

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order of consideration was in fact designed at the request of the

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opposition so that those who were disc abled to participate in the

:41:38.:41:43.

debates in the committee at the beginning of business. Disabled. I'd

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commit today, we had other business, the truth of the matter is, at this

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point we are still not at a point at which we are going to be starting a

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business on the third day. Which is amendment 70 two. I do not think it

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is unreasonable that this house has a tradition, it tries to deliver the

:42:07.:42:16.

business. I understand and I need the support of the opposition in

:42:17.:42:19.

doing that. I believe we should do one more amendment, one more group.

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Which will take us past the normal hour for taxes. That is not unusual

:42:29.:42:33.

in this house, given the unusual nature of the discussions that have

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taken place in this bill, I think that is not an unreasonable thing to

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ask. I hope the Noble Lord, my usual partner is fair to accept that is my

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decision. We have not reached the conclusion of that target that we

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set ourselves when we discussed this matter earlier today. My lords, I

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will attempt to be sustained into the point given the time of day.

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Nevertheless, this is an important amendment. Moving amendment 68, and

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referring to the other two. I wanted to set the scene on this, the

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purpose behind this amendment is to ensure that we do get a proper

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report back from the government. Taking into account the various

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aspects of apprenticeships as defined in the amendment. The

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government is setting themselves a ambitious target of 3 million

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apprenticeships during the life of this Parliament. The challenge will

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be to ensure that they sustain quality as well as quantity. In a

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recent report said that the expansion of apprenticeships has

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quality programmes that fail to give quality programmes that fail to give

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young people new skills or better chances at a job. According to the

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chief inspector of schools, he achieved to some employees of

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wasting public funds on low-quality schemes that undermine the

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importance of operations. The recent Channel 4 programme... Poor quality

:44:22.:44:33.

apprenticeships were particularly prevalent in retail, health care,

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customer service and administration cording to the highly critical

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report from offset. About 140,000 started apprenticeships in business

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administration last year and 130,000 began health care apprenticeships.

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Standards are much higher and the motor vehicle construction and

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engineering industries, numbers were smaller. So far apprenticeships have

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not... Smaller businesses are not being involved and there are not

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advance schemes. Widespread concern has been expressed by business to

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the introduction of the new training levy. Just also referring to the

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other amendments, briefly. We are looking to ensure that accurate

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reporting in the areas of disability, gender, etc. I think an

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important point about the destination data for those

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completing apprenticeships. I want to go to touch briefly on amendment

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69, which just our attention these important situations in relation to

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people with disabilities under the age of 25 seeking apprenticeships.

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There are some worrying information there. We know apprenticeships or by

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excellent route into work for young people disabled people. However too

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often apprenticeships are inaccessible for it disabled people.

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The number of disabled apprenticeships has declined from

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11.5% and 2007-2008, to a .7% in 2014-2015. -- 8.7%. Would like to

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see further commitments from the government to support more disabled

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people to participate in a budget -- apprenticeships. When the Noble Lady

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is was binding -- is responding, what steps is she taking to ensure

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the quality of apprenticeships and preventing the exploitation of young

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people recognizing the damage it can cost of the reputation of

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apprenticeships and the waste of public fundss what step is the

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government taking to ensure that all schools give career advice on

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apprenticeships bearing in mind the need to encourage young men and

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women in minority groups. Bearing in mind that only 5% of youngsters aged

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16 currently go into an apprenticeship scheme. How is she

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going to ensure that young people are made aware of their rights to

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receive proper training and education in a safe working

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environment? What steps are they expand the participation of small

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and medium enterprises and apprenticeship schemes given that

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only about 25% of them currently take on apprenticeships. Are there

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any plans for the government to expand the use of group training

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associations and also 18 days? Will be the nature and timetable for the

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introduction of the new training levy I presume they'll be

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accompanied by the Cintas two... -- ATA. Can she comment on the future

:48:22.:48:37.

of the United Kingdom's school body? After target inserts the word as

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printed. I'm delighted that the Noble Lord...

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She intended to address the barriers faced by disabled people in... And

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places of duty, can she identify the barriers placed on under 25 disabled

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people? Can they set out examples of good practice by employees and what

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are the... Apprenticeships provide a great opportunity for disabled

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students wanting to regain and get vocational education. For many

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disabled people this will be the first time they experienced

:50:11.:50:18.

employment and education. My lords, apprenticeships introduced disabled

:50:19.:50:24.

people to the world of work in a supportive learning environment,

:50:25.:50:28.

much needed by young people who face additional barriers? In addition to

:50:29.:50:38.

project are crucial for the governments commitment to... This is

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a central part of the government. In 2014, disabled rates... It

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demonstrated through case studies that apprenticeships provide

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opportunities for young disabled people to secure training for

:51:10.:51:13.

employment, such schemes also helped employers to become disability

:51:14.:51:25.

confidence. Lashio also that this is -- I was referred to... Will they

:51:26.:51:36.

encourage employers to remove the disabled barriers? I am sure that

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the Noble Lord appreciates in awareness of education. We must also

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have regular reviews to the process of existing barriers to prevent the

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same people from accessing apprenticeship opportunities.

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The requirement for nonspecific industry qualifications to access

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apprenticeships is a great barrier. It created an exclusive

:52:31.:52:40.

apprenticeship offer, he says" apprentices in LDD learning

:52:41.:52:43.

difficulties and disabilities are often disadvantaged due to the fact

:52:44.:52:48.

that these functional and other qualifications are assessed out of

:52:49.:52:53.

context stop these does an apprentice working to the vocabulary

:52:54.:52:57.

T associate with a particular job may find it is difficult. " there is

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evidence that a significant number of disabled people especially with

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learning disabilities are prevented and gaining apprenticeships

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certificates because they have not passed certain requirements. They

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could be easily replaced by successful completion of work

:53:25.:53:27.

related requirements such as the relevant industry accepted

:53:28.:53:31.

vocational qualifications. The national voice for lifelong

:53:32.:53:35.

learning, who have been working with the government while apprenticeship

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placement said" some owners are more than capable of achieving the

:53:42.:53:44.

competence and knowledge based elements of an apprenticeship, but

:53:45.:53:47.

due to their learning difficulty are unable to achieve English and math

:53:48.:53:54.

at the required standard". Until there is a relaxing of this role,

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disabled learners will continue to be disadvantaged in work and

:53:58.:54:02.

training. In evidence submitted by the alliance for inclusive education

:54:03.:54:11.

on the Equality Act in disability gave an example of a college

:54:12.:54:21.

reluctant to allow students on the course because of the functional

:54:22.:54:27.

skills aspect. This seems to be discriminatory against students with

:54:28.:54:30.

LDD especially one who was working on a level two standard in this

:54:31.:54:41.

vocational subject. I believe such artificial barriers kill industries

:54:42.:54:51.

and they miss out on talented and they stigmatize certain groups of

:54:52.:54:55.

disabled people as unemployable. I was captivated by a TV series

:54:56.:55:03.

recently. A group of disabled people were recruited into an

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apprenticeship programme. At the end of the apprenticeships, four of the

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candidates entered the world of work, the programme did not in any

:55:21.:55:36.

way try to be something it was not. Of the experience it was that it was

:55:37.:55:40.

not perfect, and that is the thing. They were given the chance. And they

:55:41.:55:52.

were treated just like they were treated any other apprentices, it

:55:53.:55:57.

worked. It was a privilege to work with these guys. It shows the

:55:58.:56:04.

possibility of disabled people in the hospitality industry. Disabled

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people have so much potential. Most of the candidates did not have GCS

:56:13.:56:27.

English level grades. Apprenticeship routes provide great opportunities

:56:28.:56:37.

of enabling more disabled old. This aim can only be achieved by having

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the appropriate information.

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