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We'll go live to the House of Lords. You can watch coverage of all of | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
today's business after the daily politics later tonight. According to | :00:00. | :00:19. | |
the onus, the average income has folded by 22% by 2000 eight, fallen | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
over that period. The importance of touching on these issues is to | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
emphasise that employment policy is not about better that it should be | :00:29. | :00:38. | |
about the quality of jobs, the decent work is the word that is | :00:39. | :00:47. | |
growing. How wide will its attention span and be on this issue? We have | :00:48. | :00:57. | |
long signed up to the importance of work and getting people back into | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
work. We have heard about good works being good for 1's health. The | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
proposition about work being the best route out of poverty. Without | :01:11. | :01:24. | |
work benefit support from the government -- 80% of the active | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
population is an ambitious target to have four full employment. It was | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
one adopted by the previous Labour government. It was noted as being | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
ambitious, although progress was being made before the banking crisis | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
of 2008. We know that the Minister is wary of targets, but can he say | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
what the government will base its judgement for employment on? | :01:53. | :02:02. | |
Government would prefer a formulation to affect the implement | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
a rate should be the highest in the G7. I cannot imagine that this would | :02:09. | :02:19. | |
satisfy a purist like the Minister. The UK at 73% is somewhere in the | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
middle behind Germany and Japan, but ahead of the US and France I | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
believe. Making progress toward full employment must entail the | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
government is delivering on its commitment to close the implement | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
gap. The employment gap between employment people and the rest of | :02:41. | :02:48. | |
the population has been a remarkably stubborn for a number of years. That | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
statistic, as we have heard, masks a range of different outcomes as we | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
discussed our debate, and the review produced. The employment rate for | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
learning disabilities is about 8%, and for those with autism about 15%. | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
We dad the Mac. It needs a change in public and | :03:11. | :03:33. | |
employer perception. The highly regarded work choice looked as if it | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
was an insufficient focus. Any other place, the Minister said that it was | :03:40. | :03:47. | |
necessary to lower the gap, because it is inextricable from formal | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
employment. -- full employment. There are rate range of issues that | :03:56. | :04:04. | |
would stop full employment. Which he outlined the concept as how he would | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
see that rate to be the target constructed, and the extent to which | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
he will discuss the range of issues that the Lords have identified? I | :04:15. | :04:25. | |
will address the amendments relating to self employment. Amendment a 61 | :04:26. | :04:37. | |
it relates to how the minimum income plot in the self employment and how | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
it works with universal credit. Universal credit supports those on | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
low incomes, and ensures that work will pay. Self-employment | :04:47. | :04:55. | |
realistically to financial self-sufficiency compared to other | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
routes to help businesses. The welfare system is not there to prop | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
up unproductive or lossmaking businesses. The minimum income plot | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
is there to incentivize individuals to increase their earnings from sell | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
the appointment. Those subject to the minimum income plot are exempt | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
from having to search for or to carry out any other work, allowing | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
them to concentrate on making a success of their business and | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
maximizing their returns up to and beyond the level of the minimum | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
income flaw. When it comes to the changes to the national living | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
minimum wage, that means that the competition, the pay of the | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
competitor to the self-employed will be going up. In relative terms, they | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
have an opportunity to increase their pay. The other thing that the | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
minimum income plot is to address a loophole in the system where | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
individuals can report little or zero income, and still receive full | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
financial support. That is neither desirable nor sustainable to | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
maintain. The amendment seeks to allow for flexibility. This power | :06:15. | :06:29. | |
already exists, and it provides significant -- detention for up to | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
12 months of claimants who are starting out and taking active steps | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
to increase their earnings. But the reporting allows universal credit to | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
be adjusted on the universal basis, to late ensure that people do not | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
have to wait several months for an increase in universal credit. We | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
have put in, following a report, they disregard for income on a | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
monthly basis. This approach eradicates the over and under | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
payment issue generated by the current system, which is done on | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
assumed average earnings. We need to make this work for particular | :07:16. | :07:27. | |
groups. One group is equity. We have regular meetings with equity to make | :07:28. | :07:37. | |
sure that we understand, and that we get there, and other concerns, but | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
the reality of the working lives of people with an equity right, and | :07:41. | :07:49. | |
adjusted to them. We are testing have to help and how to provide | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
support for the self-employed. Helping them move up, employing | :07:54. | :08:02. | |
specialised work, and we will test all of this out as we roll-out. The | :08:03. | :08:13. | |
noble Baroness is ahead of the game. The numbers who are self employed | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
under universal credit are low. We need to monitor how this works, and | :08:21. | :08:28. | |
the implementation of the income flaw works. As we roll-out universal | :08:29. | :08:38. | |
credit. Let me turn to a series of amendments about the annual report | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
on unemployment to include specific data on various different groups. I | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
must point out that we have not built into universal credit the | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
requirements to capture specific new management information associated | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
with these amendments under our current plans. Seeking to do so now | :09:00. | :09:11. | |
would not represent -- we have a relatively short timescale to report | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
this information. It could, more importantly, disrupt the universal | :09:18. | :09:26. | |
credit implementation timeline. Amendment 66, proposes to extend | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
reporting duty to include information about self-employed. The | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
UK Labour market is the most diverse -- one of the most diverse in the | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
world for self employment. We want to do all we can to and courage | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
entrepreneurs. The government has launched to reduce to see how we can | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
better support self-employment. There is a weekly allowance for the | :09:55. | :10:08. | |
first six months. This amendment would require the annual report and | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
progress toward unemployment to include Telmex include information | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
about the number of people self-employed. These figures are | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
published every month as part of the Labour market data. We do not feel | :10:21. | :10:35. | |
that we need to monitor, specifically, the particular share | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
of self-employed jobs. Turning to the other amendments, amendment 63, | :10:41. | :10:53. | |
that full employment -- I am sure that everyone in the chamber | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
understands exactly what he referred to stop. Full employment should mean | :10:57. | :11:06. | |
80% of the working age population. I blessed with pleasure when he | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
mentioned by peace in 2007 on reducing dependency. It set up the | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
challenges that the country needed to face. It was to be serious about | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
full employment. I did write about it, as he rightly says. In the | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
context of the Labour government's aspirations to achieve an 80% of | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
working age population. There has quite a lot changed in the 80% | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
figure stop The first thing to adjust is the awareness definition | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
of the population, that it has moved as a result of equalization | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
attention to 65 for both men and women. The 80% aspiration has moved | :11:58. | :12:09. | |
down to 78%. There is also another slightly less mechanical change, the | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
makeup of the population. Older people, and with young people | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
entering the Labour market later because of their participation in | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
education has been increasing. The affect of all of those I have | :12:27. | :12:35. | |
estimated. I had a feeling that the Noble Lord of my wanted very | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
detailed analysis. The effect of those changes puts the 80% figure | :12:41. | :12:53. | |
closer to 75%. The manifesto commitment uses the comparative to | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
be the highest employment rate of the big seven industrial companies. | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
Ironically, that would mean raising our implement rate to around 75%, | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
more or less the same figure. I am using the UK stated rates, not the | :13:14. | :13:21. | |
international comparison rates. It is moving from the 73.7%, to the | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
latest report is 75%, roughly a million people. That would represent | :13:28. | :13:35. | |
our highest implement rate. We are at our highest implement rate now. | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
The target also means that if the other competitive countries move up | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
further, that pulls our target up with it. On balance, I think that | :13:46. | :13:57. | |
achieving the target would put us pretty close to something as | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
challenging as what I was writing about way back in 2007. The first | :14:04. | :14:17. | |
part of amendment 67 would require a separate annual report on the | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
progress being made toward the disability employment gap. The | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
latter amendments would also require a number of specific information, | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
such as the employment rates of different groups of disabled people. | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
However, as progress against the disability gap amendments, a key | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
amendment -- the sentiments are not necessary, as that progress would be | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
reported in the annual report on full employment in any case. The | :14:53. | :15:04. | |
points on how we need to bring together the climate and health | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
social care to support disabled people is one that we accept. One of | :15:11. | :15:22. | |
the things that we are proposing which has been called the book for | :15:23. | :15:32. | |
-- called for, is a radical form -- reform of how we provided this | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
support. On the access to a work issue and | :15:35. | :15:51. | |
the spending review announced that reeled terms increase in fundings | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
for work. This would allow it to expand, sustainably, a response to | :15:56. | :16:06. | |
the query from the noble lady. Similar requests on amendment 64 | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
about carers -- this government recognises the vital role that | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
carers provide. Many carers are also in work. The current family resorts | :16:18. | :16:26. | |
report shows that in 2013 and 2014 all carers were in some kind of | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
work. The OMS already publishes information on the number of people | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
outside of the ever market working at home. It would be difficult to | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
track all former carers who have returned to employment following the | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
end of their implements rule, because some will not claimant | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
benefits, and they will be able to move back into work with the help of | :16:51. | :17:01. | |
job centre plus. Those who start looking for work initially claimant | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
benefits can get access to a range of support to the job centre | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
network. Worked -- help can be tailored, and when they successfully | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
move into work, they don't have to tell job centre plus the reason for | :17:20. | :17:29. | |
their claim. Amendment number 64 a including information on the | :17:30. | :17:39. | |
self-employed. Her point on the some of the trends. She made the point | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
that self-employment makeup most of the employment growth for 2011. That | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
is a statistical quirk that happened because a number of employees fell | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
sharply in the recession as always does. All of the losses of employees | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
have been regained, and they are up by one half million since 2010. -- | :18:02. | :18:15. | |
one and a half million. He is taking us through a series of reasons as to | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
why he cannot do the granularity in the report. It was his aspirations | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
to have a higher wage lower worker economy that benefits all. Unless | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
Parliament has some granularity for setting that progress, the | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
Chancellor is setting his own aspiration and his own system, | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
because what everybody agrees on is that there has a material change in | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
the nature of implement over the last ten years, which influences | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
what people can earn and how they can participate in the Labour force. | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
Aspiring to a local welfare government that benefits all, we | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
need to understand these trends, relating to people who are disabled, | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
self-employed, or who have contracts. The Lord seems to be | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
listing white these cannot be provided. I don't have to tell her | :19:15. | :19:25. | |
that a lot of these issues are quite contentious, and there is a lot of | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
analysis going on, some of which takes many years to complete end to | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
come to fruition. The problem is that this is a commitment that runs | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
to the rest of this particular government into 2020. To put in some | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
of the information requirements that some of these amendments are in | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
practice looking for, is expensive, risks delaying universal credit | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
because we are under a tight timetable. The primary interest is | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
to see us move with as much speed as we safely can. It would not provide | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
us with adequate information, given the amount of time that it takes to | :20:11. | :20:20. | |
get the into shape. I hope that I have clearly summarised why we are | :20:21. | :20:30. | |
not... There is not a horror at the prospect. We looked at it very | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
deeply, and we felt that we have have to use the information that is | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
available. The information that we are gathering to get this report to | :20:42. | :20:51. | |
work. I am not trying to argue universal credit, I can understand | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
some of the difficulties. At the very least, the government should | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
give us a report on the progress it is making, so that we can begin to | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
understand the kind of developments that are likely to happen, and the | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
successes that the Chancellor might have. The whole point of this Clause | :21:10. | :21:21. | |
is that we will put down a proposal of how we are intending to report | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
unemployment. A lot of the thoughts here, into the specific requests and | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
reasonings are pretty valuable to us as we develop how we can report best | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
about our progress towards full employment. Our latest figures show | :21:42. | :22:01. | |
40% of 16 to 20-year-olds, one of the lowest figures on record. It is | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
a constantly changing group, and many leave the Labour market for | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
short periods between jobs. It doesn't tell us in and of itself | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
about unemployment. On zero hours, which I almost thought I wouldn't | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
talk about, because we always have a little snippet each other about it, | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
it is only 2% of the market. We have outlawed exclusivity clauses in this | :22:35. | :22:43. | |
particular contracts. Part-time work, certainly over the last year, | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
has been driven by people choosing to work part-time, that in mind I | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
have been the case in the recession. It is a constantly changing group. | :22:55. | :23:03. | |
Some of the concerns expressed by the noble lady, I feel like I am | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
living in a parallel universe. The employment growth has been dominated | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
by a full-time employment employees. It has risen in all agreements -- | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
regions since 2010. Wages are growing faster than inflation. | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
Temporary work in the UK is among the lowest. The trends are more | :23:31. | :23:40. | |
encouraging than they have been. Given these arguments, and that the | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
statistics on these issues are widely available, I don't believe | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
that specifying them to be in the report is necessary. I understand | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
that full employment is not just about a particular percentage of | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
working adults. We will, as I said, give further consideration as how | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
best this annual report to reflect the diversity of Labour. I apologise | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
for the length of my response. I urge noble Lords to withdraw their | :24:12. | :24:12. | |
amendment. I would like to thank him for his | :24:13. | :24:24. | |
response, obviously I will carefully read it. I would like to think him | :24:25. | :24:34. | |
for taking part in the debate. The point of this whole range of | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
amendments to this important part of the bill was to indicate that some | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
of us do not think that there is sufficient focus on those areas when | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
the issue of Social Security comes into consideration. These are not | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
add-ons, as the Noble Lord the Minister has said, sometimes we | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
think that we live in a parallel universe. It is not an issue of | :25:01. | :25:11. | |
popping up failing businesses. It is the question of some seasonal and | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
fluctuating businesses wanting consideration of their annual income | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
so that there our funds when they claim Social Security. The noble or | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
the Minister says there's some flexibility already that exist. I | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
have to say there is little of that apart from the announcement that | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
those in the first year business will be sent. Finally, I think it is | :25:40. | :25:49. | |
important to to know that the self-employed, of course the number | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
of universal credits... If you see an articulated one down the road -- | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
Lori coming down the road, you probably have an idea that you may | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
get run over if you stay in the same place. What I am trying to say is | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
that the establishment of minimal will cause trouble in universal | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
credit in the future. I think it is a warning that is -- that should be | :26:13. | :26:22. | |
well heated. I will seek leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment 62, | :26:23. | :26:34. | |
not moved. Amendment 96 eight, not moved. Amendment 62 B. I want to | :26:35. | :26:45. | |
take the opportunity to seek verification on an issue that was | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
raised with me by a charity which represents parents and children with | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
life limiting and life-threatening conditions. It is a brief amendment, | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
but here is the issue, I understand that children under three are | :26:59. | :26:59. | |
knowledgeable for the higher mobility component of DNA, I think | :27:00. | :27:07. | |
that truck under three are generally not assume to be immobile. The | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
assumption is that under threes will have to be carried in arms lifted | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
into buggies and different cars and car thief, whether they have a | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
disability or not. For most social and their parents it is true. -- car | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
seats. There are small numbers of children that do need help and | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
should have access. As a small group of children who depend on | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
ventilated... Who have made one or more or other technologies which are | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
life-sustaining. Children are in effect constantly attached to life | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
sustaining equipment often bulky or heavy, the shot has to be based in a | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
wheelchair, capable of carrying the equipment. Parents need especially | :27:55. | :28:02. | |
adapt it or broad-based vehicles capable of caring these children | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
linked together with their not small appointment. The children cannot be | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
easily lifted out of cars like most children their age. Output of the | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
Minister the case why this small group of children need mobility and | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
now ends. Most of these children have to be placed in a medical | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
Wiltshire are bad because they need support. These are heavy items, in | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
addition to the life-sustaining equipment most of the children | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
acquire a variety of equipment to go with them, wherever they are. This | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
would include a spare ventilators come oxygen supply and mascot of | :28:37. | :28:46. | |
emergency kits. That is in addition to all of the things parents have to | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
carry as well. Buses will not take oxygen, with the inevitable risk of | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
infection... As well as many susceptible to infection, they are | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
prone to medical prices. The parents need to be able to get them to | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
hospitals quickly for life-saving treatment 24 seven. They do not have | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
a car and the children may not be assessed to have a safe living home. | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
As was heartbreaking for the family and children, it could cost more | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
from the highway mobility allowance of... What with this all cost? As a | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
result of the Reform Act in 2012 disability living allowance has been | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
replaced by people over the age of 16. They want open access to this | :29:31. | :29:40. | |
component, for under threes to require life-sustaining equipment. | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
There were nearly 49,000 people with life-threatening conditions. Only a | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
very small portion of them are under threes to require life-sustaining | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
equipment. To establish how many there may be, meeting this component | :29:54. | :30:00. | |
of DLA, shall I submitted a freedom of information request in 2014. To | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
ask how many parents of children under three had asked for a blue | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
badge because the child was dependent on heavy medical | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
appointment who needed to be near a vehicle in case there was an | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
emergency treatment. I found that in 1530 children needed patches. The | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
wording of this amendment is aligned to the criteria. If those figures | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
are correct, the cost of giving all 1530 children access to the higher | :30:28. | :30:35. | |
mobility rate will be about for ?5 million, that is a small sum for | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
them. It would transform the lives of the families of the child with | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
life-threatening or life limiting conditions. What I described seems | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
like an anomaly, I cannot believe they will allow this to happen. I | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
hope the Minister will give a careful response. I cannot see it | :30:52. | :30:59. | |
reason for no one... I hope the Minister grid I have made the case | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
that babies and children under three will depend on big and heavy | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
life-sustaining women to stay alive in or have a need for immediate | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
access to transport for medical reasons should be regarded as having | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
an additional mobility and become eligible for the mobility element of | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
DLA. Insert the New Clause printed on the list. Can I think the noble | :31:22. | :31:30. | |
or tabling this and providing this clarity. I must express my own | :31:31. | :31:38. | |
empathy regarding what this amendment aims to achieve. There can | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
be no doubt of the position of a family with young disabled children. | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
However I find myself in the usual position to reflect the position set | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
out by the Noble Lord some six years ago when he was a government | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
minister for work and pensions. On that occasion what was to become the | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
2009 welfare reform Act was being debated in Grant committee, and he | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
made a report that the bill introduced... A new provision which | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
now gives access to the higher rate mobility component of DLA to | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
severely, visually impaired people. In much the same terms, at least | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
intended as the amendment we are discussing today was introduced to | :32:30. | :32:37. | |
the Noble Lady baroness Thomas, on that occasion the Noble Lord Lord | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
Mackenzie was sympathetic for the situation. Ultimately he resisted | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
the motion. I quote him "In this difficult financial climate we need | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
to consider carefully the potential cost of such change. This amendment | :32:54. | :33:01. | |
would have caused an additional cost, the estimated cost was ?50 | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
million a year. This'll be a significant increase in what is | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
unfortunately a difficult economic situation and is simply not | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
affordable in the current context. " I have never been sad her to have to | :33:17. | :33:26. | |
agree with the Noble Lord -- and to resist the motion. On the tech side, | :33:27. | :33:42. | |
the amendment... That is because the distinction between the two rates | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
has been lost. There are some unintended consequences of the | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
amendment, most notably removing entitlement of the 16 rows of 500 | :33:52. | :34:01. | |
children -- 16,500 as a consequence of severe visual impairment. I think | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
that is just drafting and I would not want to dwell on that issue, we | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
can always work that out. The reason why there is the lower age, while | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
many children can walk by age three, not all will have done so the | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
promise of disability. And you would have been able to walk from eight | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
considerable distance. HB provides a reasonable boundary line to what may | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
be considered development of the lay and walking difficulties arising | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
from a disability or long-term health condition. I think we can all | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
agree that the majority of very young children, disabled or not, | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
will lead to considerable degree of support and help from parents and | :34:45. | :34:53. | |
care. Most parents will be will be carrying a bunch of equipment, I do | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
recognize that some young children with particular conditions may be | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
heavily reliant on additional equipment. Some that can be bulky | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
and heavy. But, such technologies are improving all the time. Some are | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
becoming lighter, smaller and more transportable. Despite it being | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
unavailable to children so young, there exist a range of provisions | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
which can help support children and their parents. The care component of | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
DLA, there is no restriction on how it can be used in any entitlement | :35:34. | :35:42. | |
can bring access. Hearings may also be a will to receive a blue badge, | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
for free parking at the child is on heavy equipment. That leads me to | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
questioning the provision of this amendment which focuses on children | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
who need to be near a vehicle for treatment or for that vehicle to at | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
least transfer for them with their equipment. The reason why question | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
this is because on the basis of that the provision can only help those | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
parents who have Artie had use of the motor vehicle who would gain | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
access to the higher rate mobility, as I said earlier the amendment is | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
not clear in its intent regarding the rate of children under three and | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
they will become entitled. It is not clear whether such children will be | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
turn a motor vehicle. Hence the turn a motor vehicle. Hence the | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
amendment is currently drafted and excludes families without access to | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
a vehicle. The second reason why question this is on a more practical | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
basis. If a child requires emergency transportation along with Bulkley on | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
medical appointment, it is doubtful that transportation by the parents | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
is a reasonable and practical expectation. Our emergency services | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
were much better equipped in terms of medical training in suitable | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
vehicles are in place for this type of situation. Finally, I must turn | :37:02. | :37:09. | |
to the finance part of it. This amendment goes further than that | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
debate, and the time available we have been unable to determine how | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
many children could potentially be entitled on this act. That would add | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
to and are ready significant cost burden and further damage our | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
capacity to stay within the welfare cap. I am sympathetic to the | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
intentions behind the amendment, but the government cannot accept this on | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
the basis of the offending cost implications. Regrettably, I have to | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
agree with the Noble Lord, Lord Mackenzie. I urge them to withdraw | :37:46. | :37:58. | |
this amendment. The Minister tell me how many children it is based on? | :37:59. | :38:14. | |
I thought I knew the answer to that. Inspiration is striking, I hope. | :38:15. | :38:49. | |
Sorry, it is 18,500, not 16,500. 18,500 under mysteries are in | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
receipt of DLA and 5500 children impacted. Sorry. I am grateful for | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
that, I am grateful on his thought to apply. I wonder when he goes back | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
and read he may like to reflect on whether given all that he tells us, | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
his view of the current economic situation how compares two or more | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
of Mackenzie was in office, might you might feel that his own | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
assessment may be different. I can see that the two are of one mind. I | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
would ask him to think very hard. Lord Mackenzie has put his name to | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
this motion is supportive of it today. I would wonder whether he | :39:29. | :39:29. | |
would like to be willing for his would like to be willing for his | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
department to meet someone from short lives, perhaps with me. I | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
think it would like to understand the basis of the argument he is made | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
in. -- making. I would appreciate meeting them, with the Noble Lady. | :39:44. | :39:52. | |
As I said, I do really regret what I have had to say. I agree to withdraw | :39:53. | :40:05. | |
the amendment. Amendment 62 C, not moved. Amendment 62 D from the | :40:06. | :40:14. | |
supplementary sheet, not moved. Amendment 63, not moved. Amending 64 | :40:15. | :40:23. | |
not moved. The question is that cause one stands, as many of that | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
opinion will say content, the contrary not content. The contents | :40:29. | :40:37. | |
haven't. Amendment 65, not moved. Amendment 66, not moved. Amendment | :40:38. | :40:47. | |
67, not moved. Clause to amendment 68. I have had discussions with the | :40:48. | :40:55. | |
chief, I am not terribly happy about this evening as late as it is, | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
particularly there are a number of colleagues who are severely | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
disabled. They are spending a lot to late hours working on this bill. I | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
am prepared for us to proceed this group of amendments, I would hope | :41:11. | :41:12. | |
that this debate can be relatively short. I hope that colleagues will | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
see the sense that we should not be working this late in the sort of | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
legislation. In response to that remark is, I should say that the | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
order of consideration was in fact designed at the request of the | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
opposition so that those who were disc abled to participate in the | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
debates in the committee at the beginning of business. Disabled. I'd | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
commit today, we had other business, the truth of the matter is, at this | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
point we are still not at a point at which we are going to be starting a | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
business on the third day. Which is amendment 70 two. I do not think it | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
is unreasonable that this house has a tradition, it tries to deliver the | :42:07. | :42:16. | |
business. I understand and I need the support of the opposition in | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
doing that. I believe we should do one more amendment, one more group. | :42:20. | :42:28. | |
Which will take us past the normal hour for taxes. That is not unusual | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
in this house, given the unusual nature of the discussions that have | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
taken place in this bill, I think that is not an unreasonable thing to | :42:37. | :42:46. | |
ask. I hope the Noble Lord, my usual partner is fair to accept that is my | :42:47. | :42:54. | |
decision. We have not reached the conclusion of that target that we | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
set ourselves when we discussed this matter earlier today. My lords, I | :42:58. | :43:06. | |
will attempt to be sustained into the point given the time of day. | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
Nevertheless, this is an important amendment. Moving amendment 68, and | :43:13. | :43:24. | |
referring to the other two. I wanted to set the scene on this, the | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
purpose behind this amendment is to ensure that we do get a proper | :43:29. | :43:38. | |
report back from the government. Taking into account the various | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
aspects of apprenticeships as defined in the amendment. The | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
government is setting themselves a ambitious target of 3 million | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
apprenticeships during the life of this Parliament. The challenge will | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
be to ensure that they sustain quality as well as quantity. In a | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
recent report said that the expansion of apprenticeships has | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
quality programmes that fail to give quality programmes that fail to give | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
young people new skills or better chances at a job. According to the | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
chief inspector of schools, he achieved to some employees of | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
wasting public funds on low-quality schemes that undermine the | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
importance of operations. The recent Channel 4 programme... Poor quality | :44:22. | :44:33. | |
apprenticeships were particularly prevalent in retail, health care, | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
customer service and administration cording to the highly critical | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
report from offset. About 140,000 started apprenticeships in business | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
administration last year and 130,000 began health care apprenticeships. | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
Standards are much higher and the motor vehicle construction and | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
engineering industries, numbers were smaller. So far apprenticeships have | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
not... Smaller businesses are not being involved and there are not | :45:01. | :45:07. | |
advance schemes. Widespread concern has been expressed by business to | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
the introduction of the new training levy. Just also referring to the | :45:13. | :45:26. | |
other amendments, briefly. We are looking to ensure that accurate | :45:27. | :45:33. | |
reporting in the areas of disability, gender, etc. I think an | :45:34. | :45:42. | |
important point about the destination data for those | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
completing apprenticeships. I want to go to touch briefly on amendment | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
69, which just our attention these important situations in relation to | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
people with disabilities under the age of 25 seeking apprenticeships. | :46:01. | :46:08. | |
There are some worrying information there. We know apprenticeships or by | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
excellent route into work for young people disabled people. However too | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
often apprenticeships are inaccessible for it disabled people. | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
The number of disabled apprenticeships has declined from | :46:25. | :46:32. | |
11.5% and 2007-2008, to a .7% in 2014-2015. -- 8.7%. Would like to | :46:33. | :46:40. | |
see further commitments from the government to support more disabled | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
people to participate in a budget -- apprenticeships. When the Noble Lady | :46:45. | :47:02. | |
is was binding -- is responding, what steps is she taking to ensure | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
the quality of apprenticeships and preventing the exploitation of young | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
people recognizing the damage it can cost of the reputation of | :47:10. | :47:11. | |
apprenticeships and the waste of public fundss what step is the | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
government taking to ensure that all schools give career advice on | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
apprenticeships bearing in mind the need to encourage young men and | :47:21. | :47:28. | |
women in minority groups. Bearing in mind that only 5% of youngsters aged | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
16 currently go into an apprenticeship scheme. How is she | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
going to ensure that young people are made aware of their rights to | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
receive proper training and education in a safe working | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
environment? What steps are they expand the participation of small | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
and medium enterprises and apprenticeship schemes given that | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
only about 25% of them currently take on apprenticeships. Are there | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
any plans for the government to expand the use of group training | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
associations and also 18 days? Will be the nature and timetable for the | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
introduction of the new training levy I presume they'll be | :48:11. | :48:21. | |
accompanied by the Cintas two... -- ATA. Can she comment on the future | :48:22. | :48:37. | |
of the United Kingdom's school body? After target inserts the word as | :48:38. | :48:47. | |
printed. I'm delighted that the Noble Lord... | :48:48. | :49:10. | |
She intended to address the barriers faced by disabled people in... And | :49:11. | :49:33. | |
places of duty, can she identify the barriers placed on under 25 disabled | :49:34. | :49:42. | |
people? Can they set out examples of good practice by employees and what | :49:43. | :49:59. | |
are the... Apprenticeships provide a great opportunity for disabled | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
students wanting to regain and get vocational education. For many | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
disabled people this will be the first time they experienced | :50:11. | :50:18. | |
employment and education. My lords, apprenticeships introduced disabled | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
people to the world of work in a supportive learning environment, | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
much needed by young people who face additional barriers? In addition to | :50:29. | :50:38. | |
project are crucial for the governments commitment to... This is | :50:39. | :50:52. | |
a central part of the government. In 2014, disabled rates... It | :50:53. | :51:04. | |
demonstrated through case studies that apprenticeships provide | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
opportunities for young disabled people to secure training for | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
employment, such schemes also helped employers to become disability | :51:14. | :51:25. | |
confidence. Lashio also that this is -- I was referred to... Will they | :51:26. | :51:36. | |
encourage employers to remove the disabled barriers? I am sure that | :51:37. | :51:48. | |
the Noble Lord appreciates in awareness of education. We must also | :51:49. | :52:03. | |
have regular reviews to the process of existing barriers to prevent the | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
same people from accessing apprenticeship opportunities. | :52:08. | :52:20. | |
The requirement for nonspecific industry qualifications to access | :52:21. | :52:30. | |
apprenticeships is a great barrier. It created an exclusive | :52:31. | :52:40. | |
apprenticeship offer, he says" apprentices in LDD learning | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
difficulties and disabilities are often disadvantaged due to the fact | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
that these functional and other qualifications are assessed out of | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
context stop these does an apprentice working to the vocabulary | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
T associate with a particular job may find it is difficult. " there is | :52:58. | :53:10. | |
evidence that a significant number of disabled people especially with | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
learning disabilities are prevented and gaining apprenticeships | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
certificates because they have not passed certain requirements. They | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
could be easily replaced by successful completion of work | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
related requirements such as the relevant industry accepted | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
vocational qualifications. The national voice for lifelong | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
learning, who have been working with the government while apprenticeship | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
placement said" some owners are more than capable of achieving the | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
competence and knowledge based elements of an apprenticeship, but | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
due to their learning difficulty are unable to achieve English and math | :53:48. | :53:54. | |
at the required standard". Until there is a relaxing of this role, | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
disabled learners will continue to be disadvantaged in work and | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
training. In evidence submitted by the alliance for inclusive education | :54:03. | :54:11. | |
on the Equality Act in disability gave an example of a college | :54:12. | :54:21. | |
reluctant to allow students on the course because of the functional | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
skills aspect. This seems to be discriminatory against students with | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
LDD especially one who was working on a level two standard in this | :54:31. | :54:41. | |
vocational subject. I believe such artificial barriers kill industries | :54:42. | :54:51. | |
and they miss out on talented and they stigmatize certain groups of | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
disabled people as unemployable. I was captivated by a TV series | :54:56. | :55:03. | |
recently. A group of disabled people were recruited into an | :55:04. | :55:15. | |
apprenticeship programme. At the end of the apprenticeships, four of the | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
candidates entered the world of work, the programme did not in any | :55:21. | :55:36. | |
way try to be something it was not. Of the experience it was that it was | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
not perfect, and that is the thing. They were given the chance. And they | :55:41. | :55:52. | |
were treated just like they were treated any other apprentices, it | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
worked. It was a privilege to work with these guys. It shows the | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
possibility of disabled people in the hospitality industry. Disabled | :56:05. | :56:12. | |
people have so much potential. Most of the candidates did not have GCS | :56:13. | :56:27. | |
English level grades. Apprenticeship routes provide great opportunities | :56:28. | :56:37. | |
of enabling more disabled old. This aim can only be achieved by having | :56:38. | :56:45. | |
the appropriate information. | :56:46. | :56:53. |