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Since the first episode of Prime Suspect 25 years ago, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
and even before that, Lynda La Plante has been telling | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
tales about crime and about how the police deal with it, | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
in a series of television shows and best selling books seen | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
In her latest novel, Hidden Killers, her most famous character, | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
Jane Tennison, is on familiar territory as a young policewoman. | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
It's a story of prostitution and murder, and above all | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
about the problems the investigators face. | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
Once again, terrible events take their toll on the police | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
officers who have to deal with them and try, against the odds, | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
We're back in this book, Hidden Killers, with | :00:36. | :00:58. | |
Jane Tennison at an early stage in her career, | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
than we saw her in the previous book. | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
Why did you decide to take us back - we knew her in Prime Suspect - | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
I was at a book signing and one of the audience, | :01:09. | :01:20. | |
when they had the Q and A, said, "What was Jane Tennison like, | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
And it was quite astonishing because I didn't know it. | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
Yeah, but it's not like a trigger to go, "Oh gosh, I really | :01:35. | :01:42. | |
want to know about where she came from," but it was the realisation | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
that although I'd worked very closely with a DCI | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
from Metropolitan Police, and she had been incredible | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
in the research for the original Prime Suspect, I didn't really | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
So I thought about it, and I read a very amusing note | :02:00. | :02:08. | |
from Raymond Chandler, who was asked about Philip Marlowe, | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
his famous detective, and he was asked, "Where did he come | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
from, where was he born," and he said, "I haven't got | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
So, in a way, exactly what you said - Jane Tennison was fully formed | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
by having a great DCI guiding me through the original | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
But in a way you were looking for something that would explain | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
the woman that we first came to know when she had, so to speak, grown up? | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
Exactly, because she was so cool and calm. | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
She was also able to sit in a chair and, as she was told, | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
"You are trying to get into dead man's shoes," and she said, | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
That was a big toughness, but again I was constantly aware | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
that she was being shaped by a real life DCI, and she was very unaware | :03:08. | :03:15. | |
And it wasn't until I went back, and it took nearly two | :03:16. | :03:26. | |
and a half years researching, because to go back to 1970s training | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
school, put Jane Tennison through probationary work, very... | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
You know, you need feedback from the real McCoy. | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
One of the interesting things about that of course is the dramatic | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
change, not just in police procedure in the intervening years, | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
but I think it is fair to say in the whole mentality of policing | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
Talking to some of the wonderful women who had been in the force | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
in the 70s, they said, "We were wallpaper, | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
You suddenly had to say, "Excuse me, I think..." | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
And, "We don't want your thinking, thank you." | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
They hated women coming into the force. | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
So it was the people that were able to maintain a toughness - | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
And that was the absolute beginning of the young Jane Tennison. | :04:20. | :04:30. | |
So what you're talking about in this, and it's always | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
difficult with plots - we don't want to go into too much | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
detail because it's a thriller - but what you're talking | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
about here is a woman who is learning and growing up | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
in actually rather a tough environment, in terms of, you know, | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
And to be used as a decoy for a prostitute. | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
I mean, this, she thought, was incredible, because it | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
was a move towards CID, and in Hidden Killers, again, | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
often I kick off work on a moment in the book when one | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
of the policewomen just happened to say to me, "God, | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
I remember being used as a decoy from a murder victim, | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
and I wore her coat," and she said, "I could smell her perfume." | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
And that triggers something in the young Jane Tennison, | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
being put into this rabbit fur coat that stinks of the very strong | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
You're almost more interested in the minds of the hunters | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
The way I work is that something in the newspaper | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
There was an article in a paper about the effect | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
of a beautiful older sister being found brutally murdered. | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
The description of how her father, looking for his gorgeous daughter, | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
comes across her naked body - raped, beaten. | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
The images that were left in that family never ever go away. | :06:24. | :06:34. | |
There is an important point here, of course, isn't there? | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
Because some people say our collective fascination, | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
encouraged by writers like yourself, with death and destruction, | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
with that kind of misery, with the endless business | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
of the police trying to find out what happened, | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
has a desensitising effect on us all, and therefore the horror | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
of the kind that you've just described is somehow less real | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
and more distant, and somehow on a screen and it doesn't matter. | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
No, because I do not believe my work goes down that route. | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
Because I've always focused on police procedure, to me, | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
crime writing is very complex, because as I'm not telegraphing | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
a kind of glorification of sex crimes and criminals, | :07:19. | :07:27. | |
How difficult it is, but at the same time that hunt | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
is what attracts readers to crime novels. | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
Your job as the author is to say, "Do you think you know | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
I will weave a plot for you that is very complex," | :07:47. | :07:54. | |
but in my plots they are also based totally and utterly | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
unbelievable crimes, the process of the police. | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
And also, as I said before, the effect on a family who had lost | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
a beautiful daughter to murder, the effect of crime on police | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
officers, maintains a very deep degree of pain. | :08:13. | :08:21. | |
Do you yet know who Jane Tennison is, where she came | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
A lot more work, and it is so enjoyable because I have, | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
you know, been very fortunate to be commissioned for more books, | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
because I'm taking her actually up to the age we saw her | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
in Prime Suspect, so she is going to go through... | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
It's a slow business, but it is very exciting. | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
Lynda La Plante, thank you very much. | :08:50. | :08:53. |