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Tonight's recipe, take a debt crisis add a half-baked summit deal, | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
and a referendum, and there is trouble on the streets. Mix in an | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
emergency cabinet meeting, that is what is cooking in Greece tonight. | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
The result, stock markets tumble, a Government on the edge. | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
In Cannes, at the G20, the most powerful people in the world have | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
been rendered powerless by a Greek political fiasco. | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
Is last week's deal on the euro unravelling. The man who negotiated | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
the bank's 50% haircut joins us live. | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
Plus, The Italian Jb, who can steer one of Europe's big economies | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
through austerity. Those Italians who want the best, | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
who is going to lead them? If you see that politician, please tell | :00:51. | :00:59. | |
In Britain, the economy is growing, but 75 years after the Jarrow March, | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
is there a new north-south divide. We will ask a Conservative Treasury | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
minister. And the controversial law joint enterprise, which means you | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
can be convicted of a serious crime, even if you are not directly | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
involved. I didn't stab anyone, you didn't | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
know the knife was present, but the person died, and under joint | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
enterprise you have all been convicted. You come out with murder | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
under your name. Good evening, perhaps it tells you | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
a lot about the politics of the European Union, that the threat of | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
voters actually having a direct say in a referendum brought markets | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
tumbling all around the world today. Tonight the Greek cabinet are in | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
urgent talks as we speak, the Prime Minister's career on the brink, | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
with a vote of confidence scheduled this Friday. Before that he will | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
attend another emergency meeting tomorrow with other EU leaders. | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
This time in Cannes. Ahead of the G20 Summit. Well, the decision by | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
the Greek Prime Minister to ask the Greek people, in effect, to back | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
him or sack him, was a real surprise. The fears now are that | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
last week's eurozone deal could unravel just a few days after it | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
was struck. Paul Mason is in Cannes for us tonight. | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
As far as we know the Greek cabinet is still in session. We hear that | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
the ministers are going round the table saying what they think, so | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
far, we hear, you can hear things out of a Greek cabinet, that they | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
are backing him. But Mr Papandreou really has caused chaos in the last | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
24 hours. This referendum call puts the whole deal agreed in Brussels | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
last week back on the table, back into doubt. Certainly the markets | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
have seen it as possibly signalling the end game, where Greece enters | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
into chaotic default process, as the people have their say, whether | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
it is in a referendum or snap election if the Government falls. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
Once they have had their say, Greece, inevitably slides towards | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
leaving the euro, eventhough most of them don't yet want to do that. | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
The banks in Europe have been hit hard because of this. Most stock | :03:03. | :03:13. | |
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markets as you say fell, but Unii Credit and Sot-Gen, double digit | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
loss, meanwhile the Dutch have weighed in. The Dutch, the key part | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
of governance arrangements in that country, saying they think the | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
referendum Wells muchs on the deal, and that they are not tied to what | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
they agreed, they might not be the last north European Government to | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
say that. In Greece there is chaos, the Finance Minister, we hear, knew | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
nothing about the referendum call before it was announced. He checked | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
into hospital with stomach patience. They chose the very same day, we - | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
pains. They chose the very same day, we hope, to sack some general, and | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
Mr Papandreou has been off the airways all day. In the notes | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
coming out of the banking fraternity, there is a clear | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
worrying there will be a chaotic default and exit from the euro. | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
That, I think would be end game, that is why people are so wore | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
yeefpltd this report contains tpwhrarb photography. | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
When the Greek frame - flash photography. When the Greek Prime | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
Minister announced a referendum and confidence vote on the deal agreed | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
last week, the word "bombshell", failed to do it justice. The | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
markets fell, the Finance Minister went into hospital, a flurry of | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
phone calls happened between world leaders, and one after the other, | :04:33. | :04:42. | |
Mr Papandreou's MPs went A wol. Then, an - AWOL. Then an emergecy | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
cabinet meeting. This is how Greeks greeted the deal their Government | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
did last week, the word they chant "no", and last Friday saw clashes | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
between people and military conskrupts over the disruption of | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
cermonial parades. But Greece will get 100 euros of its debt written | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
off, but faces more austerity, and virtually foreign control of its | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
ministries. For many Greeks, Mr Papandreou's referendum will be a | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
straight choice, vote no and effectively default and leave the | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
euro. The Greek crisis is feeding and | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
feeding off the simmering Italian crisis. Italy's bond yield, its | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
cost of borrowing, has shot up above 6% into unsustainable range, | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
but it is too figure to fail, and needs the best part of a trillion | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
euros from the EFSF bailout fund, that doesn't yet exist, so the | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
European Central Bank had to dive in and spend 9 billion euros to | :05:43. | :05:50. | |
calm things down for a day. For the protestors gathered in Nice | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
today, there was a sense that amid their ordinary demands and protests, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
something extra ordinary is about to unfold, because the Greek | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
referendum, or a snap election, will see the Greek people suddenly | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
dial into a situation they have, up to now, had no say in. | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
A point not lost on Britain's Chancellor. | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
There is no doubt that the decision of the Greek Prime Minister has | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
added to the instability and the uncertainty in the eurozone, you | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
can see that today, and what we're trying to do is create stability | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
and certainty in the eurozone. Now, ultimately, it is up to the Greek | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
people and the Greek political system to decide how they make | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
their decisions. But I would say it is extremely important for the | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
eurozone to implement the package they agreed last week, that is what | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
I said was crucial at the time, that is what they all said was | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
crucial at the time. I think we need to get on with it sooner | :06:40. | :06:48. | |
rather than later. Tomorrow, here at the G20, they | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
will there - there will now have to be an emergency meeting, and | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
discussion about how the Greek people suddenly got dialed in, to a | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
decision that most people had thought decided at the last | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
emergency meeting, and what will happen if they are not quickly | :07:02. | :07:09. | |
dialed out again. The laidback Riviera, even more unreal than | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
normal under the fairy lights, gets ready for another surreal day, | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
tomorrow. Tonight, what are the options left | :07:17. | :07:26. | |
for Greece and the eurozone? If you going go back to last week. The | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
deal agreed is they would get a third of their debt knocked off, | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
and the people penalised by that would be the banks. Two thirds, or | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
half of their debt is held by people like the IMF and ECB, they | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
wouldn't lose a thing. But in return, Governments would shore up | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
the banks, so it was a very convenient deal. It was a sort of | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
buffer zone for the impact of the default, which is effectively what | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
it is. Now, if the Greeks vote no, then what will then happen is there | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
will be a much bigger default, up to 90-100%, that will apply to | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
everybody else who holds the debt. Because it will not be voluntary, | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
as it currently, this is the fiction, that it is voluntary for | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
the banks, then if it is not voluntary, these credit default | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
swaps, these insurance, basically policies, against default, get | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
triggered and it fires the whole explosive charge into the heart of | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
the financial system. So those are the options if they don't stick to | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
what they are supposed to do. You know what I think has caused this. | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
The Greeks have had foreign civil servants turn up in their | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
ministries, and most Greek politicians have spent the last 18 | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
months shuttered in private offices with no name plate, terrified of | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
going out on to the street, they have been shut off from reality, | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
that hit them this week when those foreign civil servants turned up in | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
the ministries and said we are now in control. It is very hard for | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
democratic politicians to accept that. That is what has triggered | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
this phase of the crisis. Thank you very much, we will come | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
back shortly to you. In a moment we will also speak to | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
Vicky Pryce, an economist from FTI Consulting and former head of the | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
Government's economic service, and a Greek member of parliament. First | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
we're joined by Charles Dallara, as head of the Institute for | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
International Finance, was in charge for negotiating for the | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
banks the terms of the Greek bailout deal, including the 50% | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
haircut for private investors in Greek Government debt. Does this | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
prospect of a Greek referendum mean that as far as you are concerned | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
the deal you negotiated in good faith could be dead? No, not to us | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
at all. We remain focused, despite the political uncertainties | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
swirling around Greece and Europe. We remain focused on developing and | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
agreeing the details of the agreement. And bringing forward the | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
implementation as soon as practicable. And delivering to | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
Greece and the Greek people the benefits of this deal. But, presume | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
below you had no idea this was going to happen, it must have come | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
as quite a shock? It certainly was a surprise. But we live in | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
uncertain times, and every day in dealing with the Greek deal it is a | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
bit like getting on the Coney Island rollercoaster, you take some | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
sharp turns, they are unexpected and it rattles you a bit, then you | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
settle down and move forward. That is what we tried to do in the | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
course of the last 36 hours or so. We remain focused on the deal. We | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
are engaged with technical discussions with partners in Greece | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
and Europe on how the deal may be fleshed out. We look forward to | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
doing that. This is an historic opportunity for Greece to put aside | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
a substantial burden of debt, which has hung over them throughout this | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
last two years of adjustment. And with that cloud of debt | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
substantially removed, we think that the burden on Greece will be | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
lightened, the hardships associated with reform will be reduced, the | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
path of reform will be shortened and the opportunities to reap the | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
benefits of this entire difficult process will be greater than in the | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
past. That is why I remain focused, as do my investor base, in moving | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
forward with this deal. That may all be true but the politics of it | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
are that the Greek people are being asked to vote on something that | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
could mean years of shrinking living standards. That produces | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
real uncertainty for the people you represent. We don't even know if | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
the referendum will be held in January. You could have month of | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
uncertainty, which presumably nobody you represent wants? You are | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
right, but it is very important for the Greek people to understand and | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
to realise what are the real choices before them. Of course we | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
totally respect the leadership of the Greek Government in its | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
decision to move forward with a referendum. However, as we see it, | :11:54. | :12:03. | |
quite frankly, this historic relief of debt, which will create a huge | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
lessening in the burden, eliminating debt that is currently | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
equal to 45% of Greece's GDP. And restructuring 45% of the remaining | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
debt. Will create a tremendous opportunity for Greece, it seems to | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
me the choices are quite clear. On the one hand they follow through | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
with the agreement, they seize the opportunity to reap the benefits of | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
their hard work, and they move out of austerity, into growth and | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
investment and job creation, within a matter of a few years the | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
alternative path to me is one not seriously contemplated, because it | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
is a path of isolation, and a path, I'm afraid, a contracting economy, | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
for a long, long time. It may not be visible, but it is | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
possible. It may be that investors round the world looking at Greece | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
and Italy might conclude that the bond market itself could be wrecked | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
because debts of these big countries could be virtually | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
unsurable in the future? I think - Uninsurable in the future? I think | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
what is happening in Greece is very serious and we should take it very | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
seriously. However I think the situation in Spain and other | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
countries is very different. The plan outlined in Brussels last week | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
to create firewalls and underpin the sovereign efforts in other | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
countries, such as Italy, is a good plan. It also needs to be fleshed | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
out. I think European leadership is in the process. Although it might | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
not seem that way right now, beginning to get ahead of the | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
sovereign debt problem. I think if the real choices are outlined for | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
the grok people, the choice between a painful - Greek people, the | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
choice between a painful but some what shortened period of austerity, | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
bringing new opportunities for investment and job growth, is | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
outlined in contrast to a choice of a much longer period of austerity, | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
and isolation in the markets, that the Greek people will make the | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
right choice. We bring in a local MP in Greece. | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
Do you think that Greek people will agree with that analysis in the end, | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
and say this is the least worst option, it is good for us? I think | :14:16. | :14:26. | |
that the Greek people are full of anger. We are hearing words, words, | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
words. I believe I heard from Mr Dallara and the Greek economy is | :14:32. | :14:40. | |
frozen, the people are without jobs. The best of our young people are | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
leaving for Canada and Australia. We are a modern colony in Europe. | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
It was no national independence, and our Prime Minister is not Mr | :14:51. | :15:01. | |
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Papandreou, our real Prime Minister is Mrs M - Mrs Merkel, she decides | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
what road Greece will follow. Something must change. I think that | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
for the first time after all these big demonstrations of the people, | :15:12. | :15:22. | |
there is hope, hope that we are near the beginning of the end of | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
this very bad era for Greece. you think Mr Alavanos that this is | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
the end for the Papandreou Government, will he survive the | :15:29. | :15:38. | |
week, do you think? Yes, I think yes. I think yes because you know | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
his party is totally reconstructed. There are objections inside the | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
cabinet this time. Until ten minutes before the cabinet had a | :15:51. | :16:00. | |
meeting, a member left his party today, the people are totally angry | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
with this party. I think it is a problem of timing. After two hours, | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
after four hours, after one day, after three days, I think Mr | :16:09. | :16:19. | |
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Papandreou will show that Mr Sarkozy and Mrs Merkel that it's | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
finished. Is this the beginning or end of the eurozone? If we end up | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
with the Greeks voting no we will see the beginning of the end of the | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
Euro-project. It will spread to the other countries as well. We may not | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
get to the point. The question of it may be phrased in such way that | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
in fact the decision may be between asking the Greeks if you want to | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
leave the euro, and maybe the EU, with the implications that will | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
have, or do you want something with a hope for future but costs. We are | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
working hard to ensure that leads you to faster growth in the | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
foreseeable future. Do you think Mrs Merkel, perhaps the Prime | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
Minister of Greece, from what we have been hearing, do you think she | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
has miscalculated and Mr Sarkozy has miscalculated, they have got | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
this wrong? What they have got wrong is waiting so long to get a | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
solution. If we had some answers to the Greek problems six month or a | :17:21. | :17:28. | |
year ago things would have been different. The contagion wouldn't | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
have spread to other countries. That was a mistake, they realised | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
they then had to act and they did. It was absolutely right in terms of | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
the package coming forward. We may see in the future that the 50% | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
haircut is not enough, and there may be more need. I was hoping | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
there would be a little bit of time after the last tranche of the eight | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
billion was paid, to think again about exactly what Greece needed to | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
do to get out of its problems, which are basically low growth, and | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
contracting GDP for a number years, which the population doesn't like. | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
A word from our other two guests, Alekos Alavanos, do you worry there | :18:09. | :18:17. | |
will be a military coup in Greece? I hope not. Of course the situation | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
in Greece is very troubled, but there is a hopeful element for | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
Greece, and for Europe. That the people are people, that they are a | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
political subject who have the demonstrations of a million people | :18:33. | :18:43. | |
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for some days. So I think we have a road to democracy not a fear for a | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
coup d'etat. Do you think having accepted the 50% haircut, what | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
remains of the money of the people you represent is safe. In other | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
words it all sounds pretty gloomy? Well, I think we have confidence | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
thra this deal is the right deal, - that this deal is the right deal, | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
it is balanced deal. It is an historically substantial deal in | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
terms of sovereign debt restructuring. It is very important, | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
if I may add, we can all sense the despair and fatigue around Greece | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
today. I lived there two years as a young novel officer, I have many | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
friends in Greece - Navy officer, I have many frepbz in Greece. What is | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
important to articulate is what happened in Greece last week was | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
designed to alleviate a large part of the burden on the people. The | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
pace of austerity and reform over the last 18 months was too | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
aggressive, too demanding and too challenging for many people. We | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
need a more moderated path of adjustment delivering benefits for | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
Greece. Let's return to Paul in Cannes, I | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
think you have some news for us from the Greek cabinet meeting? | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
we are getting out of Athens, the line that the Greek cabinet has | :20:02. | :20:10. | |
been told by the Prime Minister that this market turmoil will be | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
short lived. He has also said, he has stuck to his guns on the | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
referendum, he said if we have a snap election that would lead to | :20:19. | :20:26. | |
dae fault. On that cheery note - a default. On that cheery note we | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
turn to Italy. My colleague has been in Italy for the past few days | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
assessing the mood there. As he has found in Milan, there is Euro- | :20:35. | :20:42. | |
sceptic even there, and quite a lot of people very resist sent to | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
accepting the de- resistent to the degree of austerity they want to | :20:49. | :20:56. | |
impose. His name is Ambrose, he is 672 years old. But Milan's patron | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
saint, isn't allowed to rest in peace. The cult of the Roman | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
governor turned bishop, is being offered up as a sacrifice to help | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
preserve the security and stability of the eurozone. The people here | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
have always celebrated St Ambrose. But now under pressure from the | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
European Central Bank to impose austerity, the Italian Government | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
has proposed turning local saints' festivals into ordinary working | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
days. That is causing quite a row here. | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
The need for urgent reform in Italy is pretty clear. Its economy is | :21:34. | :21:42. | |
expected to contract next year by 0.2%. Its public debt is 1.trillion | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
euros. Its borrowing costs rose today to 6.3%. Widely regarded as | :21:46. | :21:54. | |
unsustain pbl. Durb unsustainable. The church | :21:54. | :22:02. | |
can't see how that effects Ambrose. TRANSLATION: The Italians are hard- | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
working people, I don't think abolishing this will solve the | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
country's economic problems. Yes, you have to work, but you have to | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
celebrate too. The battle over St Ambrose's day and hundreds of other | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
local holidays across Italy, is part of the soul searching provoked | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
by the country's economic crisis. A country that at times over the | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
century has led Europe, not only in faith and art but also in banking, | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
in summers and in manufacturing skills s suddenly being told by | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
northern neighbour, to put its house in order. Being compared to | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
Greece, a much smaller state with a smaller culture. How much that | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
rankles, and it does, many Italians of various political complexions | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
acknowledge that their country has some how lost its way. | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
Jr Nobody is sure who can set - and nobody is sure who can set it whack | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
on the right track. Here in Milan I'm meeting one of the few figures | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
that everyone respects. He's a businessman, not a politician. In | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
charge of a Milanise icon, more famous even than Ambrose, Pirelli | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
tyres. A man with no time to be sentimental of the sairpbts. | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
think it is important that factories they have to stay open, 3 | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
- saipbts. I think it is important that the factories stay open 365 | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
days a week. It is a place of precision, hundreds of laser | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
cuttings, for each pattern for everyone that is eventually | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
marketing. Testing each proto-type with an exacting standard that | :23:44. | :23:51. | |
shows Germans have little to teach Italians. That is how we show being | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
Italian and our own creativeness. The main problem most of the | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
production is moving abroad, only 550 people left are based in | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
ittally. 1234 - Italy. That is not how it | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
was in the post-war boom, when Pirelli motored ahead along with | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
the rest of the economy. The economic declined since. It is due | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
part low to global trends, but also a lack of leadership. In the 1950s, | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
the ruling class were white people that suffered because of the war | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
and the dictatorship. They were well aware of the risks and the | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
opportunities they were facing. And the profit of it. What is the | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
ruling class today, what is wrong with them? It is much more | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
complicated today, there are too many people at any level. The | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
institutional system is creating complexity instead of solving | :24:53. | :25:01. | |
problems. The number of laws we have in our country, far than in | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
any other European country. Italy's Labour laws are not complex or | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
rigid enough to prevent 325 workers at this electronics plant in Milan | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
from losing their jobs next month, as production goes oversea. Inside | :25:18. | :25:26. | |
the protest tent they are contemplating a way of life - - the | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
tent they are contemplating a way of life. Tran When - TRANSLATION: | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
You came here knowing it was a job for life. Lots of older people only | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
came to collect their pension. It was like working for the state. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
With anti-pasta served on the picket line, you might think life | :25:46. | :25:56. | |
:25:56. | :25:58. | ||
is too comfortable for protestors. There is the 17-year-old son of one | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
of the workers, he fears there is no money for him to go to | :26:01. | :26:09. | |
university if his mother loses her job. | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
Berlusconi - TRANSLATION: Berlusconi don't make anything easy | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
for anybody. If there are 35-year- olds and 45-year-olds not finding | :26:18. | :26:25. | |
work in Italy, how are young people going to find themselves a job. | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
real reason the factory is closing, the union says, is there is no | :26:28. | :26:38. | |
market in Italy for the temly comcomponents it makes. - telecom | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
components it makes. Italy had this many broadband lines, France with a | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
population only slightly larger had more than 20 million. For many | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
Italians that is part of a wider failure of leadership. The | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
country's President hinted today that he was considering the | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
possibility of a new Government. Acknowledging the growing demand in | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
society for rulers who will take risks. | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
1234 but in Milan, heaven for bid, they don't want to take risks with | :27:08. | :27:17. | |
Ambrose. TRANSLATION: Italian growth won't | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
be achieved by taking away a bank holiday. Growth requires reform of | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
work legislation, and the introduction of interance tax. | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
nobody will expect those in Milan to accept changes in the calendar, | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
what is the hope they will accept big ones in their lives. Those | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
Italians, who want the best, who will lead them? If you see that | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
politician, please tell me. In Ambrose's time, the 4th century, | :27:50. | :28:00. | |
:28:00. | :28:00. | ||
it was easier, a man who combined intellectual prowess w industryous | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
and religion, he became bishop by popular axe clammation. There was a | :28:07. | :28:14. | |
bit of good news today, or less bad news in austerity speak. The | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
British economy grew by half paerz in the last quarter, better than | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
expect - half a per cent, in the last quarter, better than expected. | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
On top of that, one survey claims claims manufacturing fell into | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
decline last month, suggesting the north of England in particular is | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
not benefiting from even slim growth. | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
We have been in the northest auto. This encampment in Newcastle | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
tonight is not the scale of the one in London, they are mobilising | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
support for a Jarrow March, which will reach the cap national next | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
week. Lizzie thinks these growth figures | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
as justifying her fears for the future. The fact of the last | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
quarter with a drop because of the royal wedding. No wonder there will | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
be growth after that happening. are not convinced it is a positive | :29:08. | :29:17. | |
sign? Not in the slightest. It was 75 years ago this week that the | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
foot-sore jobless men of Jarrow reached their destination. In the | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
parts of north-east England struggling the most nowadays, | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
unemployment is nothing like the 70% it was then. Even in the 190s, | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
some parts of the country recovered much sooner than others, the north- | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
east was not among them. I have come to a town not so very far from | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
the route that the Jarrow Marchers would have taken 75 years ago, to | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
see how the growth figures really feel. This is Middlesborough who | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
built its wealth on steel, something commemorated in the giant | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
sculpture behind me. Middlesborough likes to make bold statement about | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
its future, how does that future look now. Not just as a result of | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
today's sluggish figures, but also the cuts to the public sector, | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
which represents about 60% of the economy in the north-east. | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
We have a lot of stuff in here. But this year I think we have bought | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
about half as much as what we normally buy. | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
You would think as winter looms, insulation would be in demand. But | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
builders aren't building, the growth figures show construction | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
contracting by 0.6%. So Ray Ingledew's company is feeling the | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
chill. What's been happening for you, you | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
have been in business for 35 years? Earlier on in the year we had six | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
vans on the road, eight vans last year. Have you had to pay people | :30:48. | :30:54. | |
off? Yeah, we have put our labour in half this year, and you have | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
lost good men who you won't get back again. You are a local man, | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
what would make Middlesborough grow? It is a difficult one, | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
certainly noing we are helping ourselves at the moment saying cut | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
the spending. Cut the spending down stops people from working, paying | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
any tax, they are not spending any money in the local shops or | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
anything. Gladstone praised industrial | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
Middlesborough as an infant Hercules, its more mature years see | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
a flourishing of buildings. But the flow of public money is stopping, | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
and the town will have to get used to it. That is according to the | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
mayor. We have to save �450 million in the next two years, the | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
Government have to deal with the deficit and the growth at the same | :31:47. | :31:55. | |
time. That is the prerequisite to dealing with the deficit. When | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
people don't have jobs they have not got spending power and won't | :32:01. | :32:06. | |
help the economy. Do you think some regions are suffering less than the | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
north-east of England? We feel in Middlesborough that we have had a | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
raw deal. But at the end of the day. There is an awful lot of local | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
authorities across the country that the Government have to deal with. I | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
have had the debate with them in relation to this, I have repeated | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
what I said, we are where we are, we are moving forward now. What we | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
have to do as a town and nation, we have to actually believe in | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
ourselves. And not be paralysed. 1234 This machine shows some | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
businesses are taking the hint. Manufacturing is one sector that | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
boosted today's third quarter significants. BMM Heaters invested | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
thousand in a precision cutting machine that eliminates waste. It | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
has had to look outside of the north-east. All our engineers, | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
every week they are in Wales, London, Scotland, they are used to | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
working away, we are beginning the work business at the moment. | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
How much support do you think you have had as a business? Really we | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
have been on our own over the last few years. We have made things | :33:09. | :33:19. | |
:33:19. | :33:21. | ||
happen. We have had to get on and make the right decisions moving | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
forward. I don't think we have had any support from the Government or | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
anything like that, really. Helping us out financially. We have just | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
had to make things happen ourselves, really. | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
Joining me now is the Treasury minister now, David Gauke. You will | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
be pleased there is some growth in the economy. You must be | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
disappointed that the plans to rebalance in favour of | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
manufacturing aren't working? you are right we are pleased the | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
figures today show growth in the economy of 0.5% over the last | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
quarter. The point about manufacturing, if you look over the | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
last 12 months or so, manufacturing has grown by 2%. That compares to | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
services growing by 1.2%. Actually I'm not sure I agree with that. | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
There are obviously, always conflicting signals at various | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
times. There is some indication that manufacturing is doing. There | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
is not a big house in favour of manufacturing as opposed to | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
services? You have to look at the context. Over the last few years | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
over the previous Government, manufacturing as a proportion | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
portion of the economy almost halved. And actually what we are | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
seeing is manufacturing growing more quickly than services over the | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
last 12 months. There are some encouraging signs, we want to do | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
more, obviously. What do you say to the people in the film, we heard a | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
businessman, we heard the Mayor of Middlesborough saying it is the | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
wrong time to cut spending, and if you do cut there is no spending, | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
and the economy will shrink in their area. There is a north-south | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
divide there. If we don't have a credible plan to get the deficit | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
down, we will see our credit rating under risk, and market interest | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
rates increasing, that will choke off finance for businesses, it will | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
make it more expensive for mortgage holders. It will have a damaging | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
effect on the economy across the board. | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
It was having more damage in the north where they are more reliant | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
on the manufacturing jobs and theing sector is rather weak. There | :35:23. | :35:29. | |
are a lot of things we are doing, enterprise zones, a number in the | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
north-east of England, the Regional Growth Fun, and lots of | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
announcements about the funding with that. That is in the north of | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
England. Improving the infrastructure, we are spending | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
more than the previous Government. Most people say you don't get it, | :35:44. | :35:53. | |
your centre of gravity is in the south of London rather than the | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
east. Danny Alexander represents people in the islands of Scotland. | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
We are a gofment for the whole country. And we - government for | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
the whole country, we need to take the - we are taking steps, the | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
Regional Growth Fun, enterprise zones, infrastructure investments. | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
That has produced a slower recovery than the great depression. | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
reason why the economy is slow, one we inherited a lot of debts. It is | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
difficult after a financial crisis everyone accepts recoveries are | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
slower. We have the eurozone crisis damaging confidence. Is that | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
worrying, what we are covering tonight. What is happening in | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
Greece, the fact of the referendum could blow everything off course? | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
There is no doubt that confidence has been hit in recent months in | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
the UK because of concerns about what is going on within the Euro- | :36:49. | :36:59. | |
:36:59. | :37:01. | ||
zon. Glrb eurozone. It is upsetting to see what we are seeing. It is up | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
to the eurozone to take bold decisive measures to deal with | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
their areas. In the same way this Government has to deal decisively | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
with the big issue we face, which is a big deficit. Gang violence | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
didn't cause the summer riots in England, but it was a factor. | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
According to the Home Secretary. She announced new measures to deal | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
with it. It includes earlier intervention to turn lives around, | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
and tighter firearms laws. But the police in the Met have been using a | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
tactic of their own, the law of joint enterprise. It allows people | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
to be convicted of serious offences even if they took no direct part in | :37:41. | :37:48. | |
a crime. Campaigners say it has caused criminal justice cases and. | :37:48. | :37:56. | |
Let's look at whether the law is being abused or abused. | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
Like summer itself, the violence of August was over very quickly in its | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
wake is a singering bad feeling. Anger towards the looters and | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
arsonists responsible for such lawlessness. But also anger from | :38:11. | :38:20. | |
people who feel their grievances are unheard. | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
No-one at this youth centre in London thinks they have answers. | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
But they share a concern about a dusty legal law called "joint | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
enterprise", introduced 300 years ago, which many people feel stirred | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
up the cities. I know some boys hit with the joint enterprise charge, | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
having been in the criminal system at the age of 13-14, coming out at | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
the age of 26, most of their adult life in prison. Coming out I'm not | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
too sure whether they will be able to change things around. That was | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
the alienation you think that we saw during the riots? It was part | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
of t I believe. All around the country, people, some of them very | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
young, are serving lengthy sentences under joint enterprise. | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
It means they can be charged with serious offences like murder. Even | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
if they didn't wield a life or land a punch, I have been told of cases | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
where they weren't even at the scene of the crime. Here in west | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
London people have told me, it is causing huge resentment against the | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
police. But the police say it has led to breakthroughs against gangs | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
and the sort of violence that has marred some of the lives around | :39:32. | :39:41. | |
here. The Metropolitan Police see joint | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
enterprise as a valuable weapon in the fight against knife crime. They | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
are showing this DVD in schools. Warning youngsters about what can | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
happen if they get involved with people who carry out violence. If | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
it is suspected they could have foreseen what happened, they too | :39:57. | :40:07. | |
can be charged with the same offence. | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
What I make no apologies about is how we have used this as a | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
principle to get across what we hope is a positive, constructive, | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
educative message which is about the most important thing we can do | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
in these sad events, which is stop someone from being stabbed or | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
killed. Is there a danger, do you think, that some particular groups | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
of people, particularly young, often black youths, are going to | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
feel unfairly targeted? I can understand that and that has been | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
said to us. We would be foolish not to listen to that. But what, I | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
think in return to that, we would say this, that this is an | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
application of a principle of law which actually is very carefully | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
applied in a very considered and detailed way, and it has a very | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
high evidential test. But it is long been controversial. | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
In one of the most notorious cases of joint enterprise, portrayed in | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
the film Let Him Have It, Derek Bentley, aged 19, was hanged for | :41:12. | :41:19. | |
the murder of a policeman during a robbery. Let him have it Chris. | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
These were the words allegedly spoken by Bentley, which helped | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
convict him of the shooting, eventhough it was carried out by | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
another teenager. Joint enterprise was also used to convict three | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
teenagers of the murder of Gary Newlove, whose savage assault by | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
drunken youths was seen as proof of David Cameron's broken Britain. The | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
coroner found he died from a single kick, but all three are serving | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
life for murder. One of them, Jan Cunliffe, was 15 at time. Mr | :41:53. | :42:00. | |
Newlove's widow says the sentence is justified. If you are saying | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Jordan Cunliffe didn't kill my husband, but he stood next to the | :42:03. | :42:13. | |
:42:13. | :42:14. | ||
body saying you are doing it and you are guilty. But Jordan | :42:14. | :42:22. | |
Cunliffe's mother says the law is being used to convict those on the | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
periphery. Jordan had an eye condition, it meant he wouldn't | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
have been able to see what was going on and predict there was any | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
violence, therefore he couldn't show withdrawal, and he couldn't | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
prevent it. Janet Cunliffe shows me new medical evidence which she | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
wants to use to appeal against her son's conviction. It is a computer | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
programme which shows the scene of Mr Newlove's murder, and what | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
Jordan would have allegedly have seen because of his failing | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
eyesight. That's the evidence that we want to use to prove that he | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
couldn't possibly have been part of a joint enterprise. | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
As they tackle knife crime, the Metropolitan Police admit they are | :43:01. | :43:11. | |
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using joint enterprise more often. But Johann Scarlett, a youth worker | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
from south London, says it is difficult thing. It seems to be | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
easier to put up a case because you have to prove they are intending to | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
do it. It goes against the whole innocent until proven guilty. It is | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
like you are guilty, now prove you are innocent. At a local youth | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
centre I'm introduced to youth workers and advise to they all | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
believe young people living on estates are being criminalised. | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
didn't stab anyone, you didn't know the knife was present, but the | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
person died. And under joint enterprise you have all been | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
convicted, you come out with murder under your name. You are never | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
going to get a job, then what do you do. People have been damaged by | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
the joint enterprise situation, if they weren't involved, the police | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
wouldn't take their side for it. you know people this has happened | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
to? Quite a few people. There are also concerns that the law is being | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
used too selectively against gang violence, when there are other | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
contexts where it could apply. the law of joint enterprise were | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
applied to phone hacking we wouldn't have so much of a concern | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
about getting precise evidence about who has been involved in | :44:27. | :44:33. | |
phone hacking or who has been encouraging phone hacking. | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
problem with investigating joint enterprise is it is very difficult | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
to find out how widely it is being used. We have looked all over the | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
place, the Law Commission, the Crown Prosecution Service, the | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
Ministry of Justice, individual police forces, like the Met, who | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
were looking into the riots, and so one has anything approaching | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
complete figures. That is apart from campaigners, who claim that | :44:54. | :45:04. | |
they are dealing with a surge of miscarriage of justice cases. The | :45:04. | :45:14. | |
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group Here says it is fighting 256 Establishing some facts is the | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
first priority of an MPs' inquiry into joint enterprise, which is | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
holding hearings this week. It is a very blunt instrument, it has | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
appalling consequences if innocent people are found guilty under this | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
doctrine. I'm concerned about its use at the moment. I stress it is a | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
personal opinion, the committee has yet to decide on any of it. But we | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
have had a lot of concern from several corners, and to target | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
youngsters is doubly inappropriate. But police are confident the law is | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
helping to keep young people away from trouble, and has even had an | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
impact on levels of knife crime in London. The number of young people | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
being killed in knife attacks is going down in London, you think one | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
reason for that is the use of the joint enterprise law? It is one of | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
many reasons. It is not the silver bullet. I don't think we have ever | :46:19. | :46:24. | |
said this is the measure that is going town lock everything. If it | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
comes across as that, - to unlock everything. If it comes across as | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
that it is wrong. We need a whole series of tactics and programmes | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
and messages that actually say don't get involved in violence. | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
The police say that joint enterprise has at least helped | :46:43. | :46:51. | |
bring down knife crime. Just saying that because you are going to be | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
done for joint enterprise will stop kids carrying knives is a lie. If | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
one of these young boys believed someone had a problem with them, | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
and had a weapon, what are you most likely do. What would normal boys | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
do in the arm yar. Start arming themselves with things. Would they | :47:10. | :47:18. | |
worry about the joint enterprise law. Would they stop? That is the | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
thing to tackle, the need of weapons as protection. The use and | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
possible abuse of joint enterprise is not just being investigated by | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
MPs, potentially more decisive will be a Supreme Court judgment due | :47:32. | :47:38. | |
later this year, about the way joint enterprise is used to take on | :47:38. | :47:48. | |
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gangs, and is very much on trial. A strengthening breeze breeze | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
touching gale-force to start the morning. Mist and low cloud across | :48:02. | :48:10. | |
eastern areas, here we will hold on to the driest and brightist | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
conditions. There will be cloud around, and sunshine will be on the | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
hazy side. The breeze strengthening soon, and thicker cloud along the | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
southern counties of England. Increasing light rain or drizzle. | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
Southern and western parts of Wales could see some of that light rain | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
or drizzle during the afternoon. With the south-east breeze, shelter | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
from the hills, the north coast will see bright or sunny spells. | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
Northern Ireland, brightness will be limited to the middle of the day, | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
plenty of cloud and certainly for 3.00pm it turns wetter. Much of | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
Scotland has a dry and bright day after a chilly start, those spells | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
of hazy sunshine. A different story into Thursday. Brighter skies, but | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
you will notice a common theme, not just across the northern half of | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
the country, but further south will be the frequency of showers. The | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
day starts with persistent rain across eastern areas, windy as well. | :49:06. | :49:10. |