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On behalf of the Government, and indeed our country, I'm profoundly | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
long. Our golden summer of sport has been overshadowed by a day of | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
national disgrace. The inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster is a | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
devastating document. Andy's body number was number 50. However, | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
reading a witness statement it appeared that Andrew was given body | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
number 50, before he was certified dead. The truth is now out, we | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
examine the failure of the services that led to needless death, the | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
appalling cover up by police officers, and the spreading of | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
vicious lies about football fans, many of them printed in the Sun | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
Newspaper. We will debate the impact of the report with guests, | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
including Trevor Hicks, who lost two daughters that day, the head of | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
the police service so damned by the report, and asking how justice will | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
be done. The Arab Spring success story looks a lot bleaker after the | :01:14. | :01:21. | |
US Ambassador to Libya is murdered. The loss the ambassador has shocked | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
America, and brought foreign policy to the fore in the presidential | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
campaign. And, captured, beaten and murdered | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
by the police, welcome to life if you are gay in post Saddam Iraq. | :01:34. | :01:42. | |
They call gays "puppies", they were beaten, saying we are destroying | :01:42. | :01:52. | |
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the country, we must kill you all. Good evening, the Prime Minister | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
apologised today for the events of the Hillsborough sis SAS ter, for | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
the long years the familiar -- disaster, for the long years the | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
families have had to wait for the truth, for the cover up by | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
ambulance and police services, and the smear campaign by the same | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
services against entirely innocent football fans and their families. | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Relatives heard of the 96 who died, 41 might have lived had the | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
response of the police and services been better. The Bishop of | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
Liverpool, who chaired the panel of inquiry, said the disaster was an | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
open wound in the city. We're in Liverpool tonight. | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
It's been a terribly long haul for people who had already suffered far | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
too much in bereavement, but tonight, here, there is a feeling | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
of a burden, at last, perhaps, being lifted. And the authorities | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
responsible for all the wrongs, they have been clearly indicted. | :02:45. | :02:53. | |
All the careless insults about self-pity cities and whingeing | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
Scousers, they stand exposed as the cruel nonsense they always were. | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
The people here are no less maudlin than anywhere else, but for 20 | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
years they felled traduced. Over the long years, the pleas of the | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
fans have grown ever louder, justice for the 96 who died, and | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
for all their families, and for those who count themselves lucky to | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
have survived the horrors of Hillsborough. Today that quest for | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
justice and truth took a delated, but considerable leap forward, the | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
Government apologised. The new evidence that we are presented with | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
today makes clear, in my view, that these families have suffered a | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
double injustice. The injustice of the appalling events, the failure | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
of the state to protect their loved ones, and the indefensible wait to | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
get to the truth. And then the injustice of the denegration of the | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
deceased, that they were some how at fault for their own deaths. So, | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
on behalf of the Government, and indeed, our country, I'm profoundly | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
long. Tonight, in Liverpool, there has | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
been a vigil and commemoration, and an overwhelming feeling of relief. | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
Vindication is the word chosen here, and the report makes it crystal | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
clear, there was, indeed, a cover- up. The Hillsborough ground had no | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
safety certificate, and should never have been used, and this was | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
practically a disaster waiting to happen. The police, the Ambulance | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
Services and others in authority deliberately misled the public, and | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
spread lies, wrongly blaming the fans, to hide their own guilt. More | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
than 20 years ago, Lord Taylor showed how the failure of basic | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
police management had led to a terrifying crush outside | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
Hillsborough. I was in it, and explain that night. Those of us who | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
were trying to get into the Leppings Lane end of the ground, | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
were preturbed by the add inadequate policing, which led to a | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
crush and the double gates being open. That led directly to the | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
killing crush inside, while the police stood and watched. In the | :05:11. | :05:21. | |
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The report says it can find no rational where police Sergeant | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
David Duckinfield was put in charge. Little regard was paid to crowd | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
safety, on the dae day he panicked froze and blamed the fans for his | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
own errors. As for the Ambulance Service that was badly led and | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
chaotic, and a swifter more appropriate response would have had | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
the potential to save more lives. Tony Edwards lives in the west of | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
Scotland, still tormented by what happened in Hillsborough. He was | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
the one ambulance driver who tried to help striken fans, for years his | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
evidence was ignored. It is a vindication of everything that I | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
have said, it is a vindication of everything that the families have | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
been saying, over the last 23 years. It takes a cursory look, even at | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
the videos to see that the statements that the Ambulance | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
Service made at the time were not correct. In total there were three | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
ambulances got on to the pitch, only my ambulance got up to the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
epicentre of the disaster, where actually most people died, is what | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
I'm saying. The account that was given is that there was something | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
like, I forget, I think it was something like 40 ambulances were | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
at the scene. But they weren't on the field, that's never been | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
questioned properly, really, where were they? | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
If the emergency services had been run properly, the Hillsborough | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
panel, suggests, as many as 41 of those who died may have had the | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
potential to survive. Kevin Williams, who was 15, was one of | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
them. His mother, who has fought infag teebably to have the inquest | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
opened, now feels closer to her goal. My son and 95 innocent | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
Liverpool fans did not die in an accident, they were unlawfully | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
killed, at the least. There have been precedents before over | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
inquests, something this big, obviously not, of these proportions. | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
Particularly when you see the extent in which evidence has been | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
manipulated and fabricated. That is on one side, then there is the | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
question of prosecutions, criminal liability. That is possible do you | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
think? Absolutely possible. story traces the origins of the | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
smear campaign by the South Yorkshire police against the | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
Liverpool fans t shows how the story was cooked up in a series of | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
meetings over three days, between the south Yorkshire Police | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
Federation, a local Conservative MP, and a Sheffield news agency. The | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
south Yorkshire Chief Constable, Peter Wright, gave the Police | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
Federation, what the panel calls, "a free hand", to prepare a rock | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
solid story, exonerating the police, and blaming drunken, ticketless | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
fans. The MP, Irvine Patnik, fed it to the agency, and it went national, | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
most damagingly in the Sun, where it was labelled "the truth". | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
Tonight the Sun made a gofling apology. The Hillsborough | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Indepndent Panel has established what happened that day. It is an | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
appalling story, and at the heart of it are the police's attempt to | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
smear Liverpool fans. It is a version of events that 23 years ago | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
the Sun went along w and for that we are deeply ashamed and | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
profoundly sorry. We have co- operated fully with the | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
Hillsborough Indepndent Panel, and will publish reports of their | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
findings in tomorrow's newspaper. The Hillsborough panel have | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
produced a devastating report, adding solid evidence, 450,000 | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
documents, now lodged on-line. police officers, many ambulance | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
staff, many lawyers tried to do their best at the occasion of | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
Hillsborough, but, some got it badly wrong. That does make it | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
difficult, it makes it difficult in a personal sense, but what makes it | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
really strong, then, is to think that we are giving a document that | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
can actually help make it better for the future. Because these | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
mistakes don't need to happen again. For the bereaved families, people | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
like Trevor Hicks, who lost his daughters, Sarah and Vicky, this is | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
what he has waited for. It means vindication of everything we have | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
said. With David Cameron's apology we basically have the Prime | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
Minister saying that all the agencies of the state have let us | :09:47. | :09:56. | |
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down, and worse than that, they have actually worked against us. | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
The people of Liverpool, the blood liable, that they killed their own, | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
has been exposed as a lie, tonight though, the battle for the truth is | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
surely known. In the studio we have the Liverpool | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
MP, and the Chief Constable of south Yorkshire Police, the force | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
responsible for policing the football ground, in Liverpool the | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
former lead singer of The Farm, Peter Hooton, who was at his borrow, | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
and who has campaigning for victims, and Trevor Hicks, who lost two | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
daughters. Trevor Tiktaalic, this has been such a long -- Trevor | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
Hicks, this has been such a long road for you, the relatives had to | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
do all the heavy lifting, pressing for this kind of inquiry. What has | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
been the impact on you today with the result? Mixed, we are extremely | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
grateful to the panel for the very forthright report they have | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
produced, more forthright than we expected, I must say that. Also, as | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
you have highlighted in your lead there, we have had some extremely | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
difficult news to cope with, that is, that potentially up to 41 | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
people could have survived if the response had been better, more co- | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
ordinated and much quicker. This must have been a shocking | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
revelation to all the families, after 23 years? Some of it we have | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
been saying, we feel totally indvaited, we have been vilified by | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
-- vindicated. We have been vilified by people saying we are | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
scapegoating and all that sort of thing, from that point of view we | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
feel fully vindicated for what we have done. We already knew, and we | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
already suspected lots of what was in it, but if I can speak for | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
myself, I know it is the case with most of the other families, even we | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
have been shocked by just how far and how deep this dirty tricks | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
campaign has gone on. The idea that 41 of the 96 had the possibility | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
that they would have survived that, had the police and Ambulance | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
Services acted differently, that in theself, does that make the cover- | :12:15. | :12:22. | |
up more profoundly shocking? Yes, in very simple terms. It also, as | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
you would expect, it makes the accidental death verdict totally | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
untenable now. That's where our next stage of the campaign will go. | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
That will be to have that squashed, set aside, and new inquests put in | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
place. If I can just, looking at those statements, 164 statements | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
were amended, and 160 negative comments about police officers were | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
removed. 116, is this beyond what you could have imagined? Yes it is, | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
the numbers get bigger every time it is exposed. We also found from | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
the documentary evidence that the panel reported on, that there was | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
actually meetings between the Chief Constable and, what effectively is | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
the police union, the Police Federation, where they were co- | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
ordinating their efforts to use the panel's phrase "to build a strong | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
story", and to have a concerted effort to bring blame on the fans. | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
We bring in the South Yorkshire Chief Constable, David Crompton, | :13:31. | :13:39. | |
which is more veepbl, that there was a terrible -- venal, that there | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
was a terrible cover-up on the day, or they tried to smear people and | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
their families, surely this is a shaming day for South Yorkshire | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
Police? Yes, it has been a very uncomfortable day for us. But any | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
discomfort felt in the force pales into incision compared to Trevor | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
Hicks and the families, who have been put through 23 years of hell, | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
really. Here and now can I say I profoundly apologise for the | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
experience they have been put through and what happened on the | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
day. Let's look at what we are dealing with here, we are dealing | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
with a lot of police officers who are still serving, and in those 23 | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
years, when these relatives have been doing so much to try to get to | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
the truth, there was no-one police whistleblower, there was no-one | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
police officer coming forward saying, this is a pack of lies, I | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
behaved badly my colleagues behaved badly. That shows a pretty damning | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
culture still within South Yorkshire Police? I would say that | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
in 2012 South Yorkshire Police is a very different place than in 1989. | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
You only know that from today, presumably, you didn't know until | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
today how badly the police had behaved? And I would agree that | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
nobody coming forward over all of that time is damning indictment, | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
and somebody should have done it. And there's police officers today | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
who presumably, in your force, you want to go to and say how do you | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
feel now after 23 years of keeping your mouth shut. Did you know about | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
this, as a Chief Constable, how much of a cover-up there had been | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
by individual officers? No, I didn't have any idea of that. I was | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
as shocked as everybody else when the result of the report came out | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
this morning. Can we be sure that the cover-up, not in the case of | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
Hillsborough, we know about that, can you be sure? People in this | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
country put their trust in police officers to uphold the law, and you | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
can't be sure that this kind of cover-up, you say the culture has | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
changed, you don't know that, you can't know that? One concrete | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
reason I would advance is this, that if we go all the way back to | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
1989, there was tremendous pressure on Lord Justice Taylor, to come to | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
the conclusion of his interim report, prior to the commencement | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
of the next football season. That meant there were a huge number of | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
statements to be gathered and processed, and they weren't dealt | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
with in the normal every day way that police officers would deal | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
with statements, for example, for shoplifting or burglary. In that | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
sense there was unusual and unique. Therefore, I feel that it's not | :16:21. | :16:29. | |
something that would be repeated. Trevor Hicks, I just want you to | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
respond to that. How do you feel about trusting police officers | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
there on that day to be doing their jobs nowadays? First of all, there | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
were lots of police officers who did a good job on the day. So, it's | :16:40. | :16:50. | |
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not a universal dam nation, but, I think the -- damnation, but I think | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
those police officers on the day those police officers who put in | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
their statements criticism of the force, they were removed. Where | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
there was any blame put on the fans, they were exaggerated. I understand | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
the Chief Constable wasn't in post at the time, and again, as we have | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
said lots of times, over the 23 years, even at the Stuart Smith | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
inquiry, the fact that the statements had been doctored was | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
known, and nothing was done about it. Louise Elman, I want to bring | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
you in on that, exactly what Trevor Hicks was saying, this was known. | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
Politicians haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over this. Andy | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
Burnham started three years ago on this, but Will Straw, 13 years ago, | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
had the opportunity to have -- Jack Straw, 13 years ago, had the | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
opportunity to have just such an inquiry, and had he done that, the | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
relatives wouldn't have had to have this for 13 years? The campaign led | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
by the bereaved and traumatised over the last 23 years has been | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
totally vindicated. It is shame on everybody involved that we didn't | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
get to the public truth until today. Had it not been for them, there | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
were individual politicians, but had it not been for their dogged | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
persistence to get to the truth, we would never have known it? Today's | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
revelations, revelations to the whole world, have come about | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
because of the persistence of those campaigners. Tribute must be made | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
to them. We must not leave things now. The scale of the organised | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
conspiracy is outrageous, but we must now move further than that, | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
now that the world knows the truth, the truth that many people | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
suspected before, and indeed some knew about before, must now be | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
exposed. We need a new inquest, and it is very important that the | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
Attorney General prepares a case with great urgency to the High | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
Court to have that inquest. Yes, because we were just saying, as | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
Trevor Hicks was just saying, that police officers who have put in, | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
not just police officers, they put damning reporting of other police | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
behaviour, and the general at moss stpoor in the day, they didn't -- | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
atmosphere in the day, they didn't come forward and say we said this | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
all this time ago, we need to feel that police officers feel able to | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
come forward and positive about that? What has happened is totally | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
unacceptable, it is incredible that such a thing happen. Now we know we | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
have to pursue it further, find out who is responsible, have a new | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
inquest, so the full truth can now come out. You were also there on | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
that day, Peter Hooton, you have been part of this long campaign. | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
How far down the road do you feel we are, is this just the start of a | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
proper investigation? Let's hope it is the start of a proper | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
investigation. I mean, obviously the 3.15 cut-off time is very | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
important. Can you explain the 3.15 cut-off time? That is when the | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
coroner said that everyone would have received injuries which they | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
would have died from, or they were already dead. So that's a very | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
important point. I have just been talking to Andy Burnham about it, | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
and he hopes that the Attorney General will look at that and apply | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
to the High Court, it is a very important point that is done. | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
Liverpool fans have always known the truth from 1989, we have always | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
known the truth, thank God the world knows the truth now. It has | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
been a long, hard campaign, we have had a lot of support from a lot of | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
people from all around the world, especially from the people of | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
Liverpool, both reds and blues, it has been absolutely remarkable. | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
Andy Burnham talked about that today. We have in front of us the | :20:28. | :20:36. | |
original Sun, The "The Truth", which was obviously a pack of lies, | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
then we have tomorrow morning's front page. | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
The Sun now says they are profoundly sorry for false reports? | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Of course they will be, obviously the report is so damning. I think | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
even people who thought they knew the truth about Hillsborough were | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
even shocked by the scale of the revelations today. Everyone was so | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
emotional in the Cathedral today, we couldn't believe the actual | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
extent of the cover-up and the collision and the lies at the top | :21:08. | :21:17. | |
level. -- collusion and the lies at the top live. The Attorney General | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
has been directed by David Cameron to look very carefully, presumably | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
the accidental deaths can't stand? It makes an absolute mockery of the | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
3.15 cut-off. One of the shocking things for the likes of myself, and, | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
again, the police weren't the only ones to have gone through a | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
wholesale operation of altering statements. But a lot of the | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
evidence that the panel put before us today, relating to the emergency | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
response from the ambulance and medical services, we knew nothing | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
about. We were totally shocked when they stated categorically, and they | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
have documentary evidence, including timings that go well | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
beyond 3.15, and this highlights, yet again, this deliberate attempt, | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
including the coroner, on this occasion, where they were trying to | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
rewrite Taylor, and basically, it is just ridiculous. Do you think it | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
would be a crime if there weren't charges brought? Well, we have a | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
lot of work to do before we can get to that stage. But, one of the | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
things going back to the police smear campaign, I understand it is | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
a criminal activity to use the police computer, there were | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
apparently looking into the records to see if even some of the children | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
had a criminal record, and the only reason for doing that, according to | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
the panel's report, was to gain more information for the smear | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
campaign. That's a criminal activity, it has taken place, and | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
there is documentary evidence. Again, I would say to the Chief | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
Constable, what is he going to do about his officers who were | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
involved in that? I think that is a question direct to you, Chief | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
Constable? My position is very simple and straight forward, which | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
is if people have broken the law, then they should be prosecuted. It | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
doesn't make any difference if they are a police officer or anybody | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
else. Will you be looking, does it look to you, you will be looking | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
presumably of the documentary evidence, does it looks a if they | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
broke the law? On the face of it, yes. It looks like there are very | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
serious questions to answer. Will you be suspending, if there is any | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
serving officers, will you be suspending them? I'm not prepared | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
to go into that at this stage, but what I will say, is we will treat | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
this with the utmost seriousness, if people have serious questions to | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
answer, we will act appropriately. Looking as a Liverpool MP, and I | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
want to ask others about this as well, what do you think the | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
atmosphere is in Liverpool, and has been, do you think this has been a | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
defining feature of Liverpool for the last 23 years? This is dae | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
fining moment. I think today -- a defining moment. I think today has | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
brought a number of emotions, relief, that at long last what | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
people believed to be the case has now been revealed to the world. | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
Anger that it took so long, and deep distress at hearing those | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
terrible reports, the information revealed by the work of the bishop | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
and the panel, and what happened to individual people. Absolute horror | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
at the scale of the organised conspiracy to blame the fans for | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
their own deaths. So, I think it is a mixture of emotions. Nothing can | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
bring back those who have died, but people can try to seek some sort of | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
Jews at this, that is why a new inquest is so essential. There | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
should be further investigations to identify those responsible for the | :24:39. | :24:47. | |
dreadful acts that have now been releeld. Peter Hooton, tell me what | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
you think this has contributed toe the idea of the city. You said good | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
because Everton and Liverpool fans coming together, has it had a big | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
impact on the city? The city has come together because of this. We | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
were on tour with the Stone Roses in the summer and others from Cast, | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
we have been on tour, taking the message of justice all around | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
Europe. This is not a football tragedy, people always said that to | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
me, this is a human tragedy, the spirit we have seen, obviously | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
Liverpool showed a lot of spirit, but we have had a lot of help from | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
people all around the world. This is a collective campaign. Everyone | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
should be congratulated over the campaign, and not giving up. We did | :25:33. | :25:40. | |
have our hard times, we did have times when we thought we are not | :25:40. | :25:48. | |
getting anywhere, it was began vanised in the release of the 20th | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
century Fields of Anfield, and the publicity it generated, with the | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
crowd of over 35,000 at the memorial, unprecedented. Finally, | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
Trevor Hicks, after today presumably as the support group | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
regroups and plans your next move? We don't need to regroup, we have | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
never ungrouped. I just mean after today? It is OK Kirsty, I'm not | :26:10. | :26:17. | |
trying to be pedantic. We obviously have a lot of work to do, we have | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
400,000 documents to wade through. Even reading the panel's report | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
will take us some time. We are already moving on some of this, we | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
have two eminent lawyers, they will take the long-term look. But, yeah, | :26:31. | :26:38. | |
we will do that. If I come back to David Cameron's statement, he said | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
categorically that the state had let us down. We will give the state | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
the opportunity to put that right. But if it looks as though they are | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
not going to do that, we will do as we have done it before, we will | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
take it out of their hands. Thank you very much. | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
The future for Libya is one of the great success stories of the Arab | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
Spring, and has now been cast into doubt, as Christopher Stephens, the | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
bams dor to Libya, and three embassy staff, were killed in an | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
attack in Benghazi last night. Some local residents said Islamist | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
gunmen involved in the attack were blaming America because of a film | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
on YouTube they said insulted the Prophet Muhammad. Looters were said | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
to be leaving the scene carrying office furniture and equipment. It | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
has done little to quell the instable security situation after | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
Gadaffi. US President, Barack Obama, branded the killing an outrageous | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
attack, and ordered increased security at US diplomatic posts | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
worldwide. The United States condemns in the strongest terms, | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
this outrageous and shocking attack. We are working with the Government | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
of Libya to secure our diplomats. I have also directed my | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
administration to increase security at diplomatic posts around the | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
world. Make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan Government to | :27:59. | :28:07. | |
bring, to justice, the killers who attacked our people. What is the | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
future for the American diplomatic mission in Libya. Our diplomatic | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
correspondent is in Washington. First of all, what do we know about | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
this attack, and who was behind it? Well, essentially, there were | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
protests in both Cairo, the capital of Egypt, and in Libya, Benghazi, | :28:25. | :28:34. | |
the second city of Libya, yesterday. Apparently, Salafi, a militant | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
Islamic station had been doing some programme material about this film, | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
defaming Islam, and this whipped up the protesters. This morning people | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
awoke in Washington to a real bombshell, which was that the | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
ambassador and three other people had been killed. Apparently trying | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
to rescue staff in that Benghazi consulate. They were killed by fire, | :28:53. | :29:00. | |
it wasn't clear actual fire or gunfire. Suddenly it became a huge | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
story. Whatever the anti- Americanism in the world, it is the | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
best part of 33 years since an American ambassador was actually | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
killed in the line of duty. Suddenly it became a big issue. | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
Today there has been speculation here that this protest may have | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
provided a cover for militant groups, being called Ansar al- | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
Sharia by some people, to stage a deliberate armed attack on the | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
Benghazi facility, obviously on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
What is the reaction to that in the US? There has been a very big | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
political reaction here. It has impacted on the presidential | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
election campaign. Governor Mitt Romney, the challenger, yesterday | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
spoke out, attacking what he has characterised as a mealy-mouthed | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
response to the initial protest, from the US embassy in Cairo. | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
Obviously since everyone went to bed last night and woke up this | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
morning, it was clear it was a much more serious thing than thought. | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
The governor himself, Mitt Romney, came under attack from the Obama | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
campaign, the President has described him as shooting first and | :30:10. | :30:17. | |
taking aim later. Saying he flew off on the handle, criticising the | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
administration, and trying to condemn anti-Islamic sentiment, | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
when its embassy had been attacked in Cairo and should have taken a | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
more robust line, that was the Romney approach. Now he appears to | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
be in some political difficulty over it. He says he's sticking to | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
his line, that is part of his general critque of President | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
Obama's policies, he has been too supine. | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
The removal of Saddam Hussein was supposed to mean the end of brutal | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
repression and the persecution of his own people, and yet, a | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
Newsnight investigation has learned that in today's Iraq, if you are | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
gay, there is every possibility you will be targeted, beaten up and | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
murdered at the hands of the Iraqi police. Numbers are difficult to | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
verify, but the United Nations confirmed it is extremely concerned. | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
Despite homosexuality being technically legal in Iraq, the | :31:09. | :31:19. | |
:31:19. | :31:32. | ||
Government appears happy to turn a blind eye to the killings. | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
The list first appeared in the streets of Sadr City, "in the name | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
of God the merciful, the forewarned are forearmed". They gave names and | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
addresses of the shameless, and the immoral. By 2009 the witch-hunt had | :31:48. | :31:54. | |
begun. We had cases where heads were cut | :31:54. | :32:00. | |
off the bodies and stuffed into stomachs, or heads bashed with | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
concrete block, or metal rods drilled through skulls. They think | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
that by killing them they are cleansing the society. This is a | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
story of modern-day Iraq, where young men and women are killed for | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
being gay. A lot his changed in Baghdad since I was last year two | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
years ago. The American troops are now gone. Explosions, still happen, | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
but they are a lot more rare. While this is still a very dangerous city, | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
life here out in the streets does feel a lot more normal. But what | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
has also changed is that, for one group of people, Baghdad today is | :32:42. | :32:50. | |
more dangerous than ever before. These days it is the clothes or | :32:50. | :32:57. | |
your haircut that could determine whether you live or die in Baghdad. | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
The anti-gay campaign by militia groups in Baghdad has been well | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
documented. But the evidence we have uncovered, shows that the | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
country's western-backed Government, is complicit in the deadly | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
persecution of gays in Iraq. It is here, in Sadr City, one of the most | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
conservative, most volatile districts of Baghdad, that the | :33:17. | :33:23. | |
campaign against gays first began. In 2009 Human Rights Watch said | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
dozens, possibly hundreds of gays in Iraq were being killed. Some, by | :33:27. | :33:34. | |
their own families, but most, by Shi'ite militia men. The report, | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
included descriptions of horrific torture practices. One way to kill, | :33:39. | :33:46. | |
it said, was to glue shut a victim's an news, and force feed | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
him laxatives. Mutilated bodies of gay men were often discovered in | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
rubbish dump. But these days, it is the endless police and military | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
checkpoints, all around Baghdad, that gay men say pose the greatest | :34:02. | :34:08. | |
threat to them. It is not militia men that these people are hiding | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
from, it is the police. They arrived at the safe house a few | :34:12. | :34:18. | |
days ago, after police raided their old flat. The two were out, but | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
their roomate had been arrested. Their new roomate, Ahmed, has been | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
here for two months now. Ever since his own family threatened to kill | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
him. I am so tired, so sad, I have no freedom. I really wish we could | :34:35. | :34:42. | |
show you their faces, Ahmed has got big, dark, worried eyes on his thin | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
face. Nancy is really pretty, and I would have never guessed that she | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
was born male. And Alu has got this very trendy haircut, which would be | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
completely normal in the west, but here in Iraq, this sort of hair | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
could get you killed. TRANSLATION: The threat is bigger than before, | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
now it is not only the militia, it is the Government going after us. | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
TRANSLATION: I can't tell you how many times I have been raped at | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
checkpoints, with the police it is countless. The worst incident was | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
at a checkpoint in the street, they asked me for my ID, then asked me | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
to get out of the car, they put me against the blast wall, nine of | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
them raped me. The stories of rape, by the same | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
people who oppose homosexuality, are mind-boggling. But it is also a | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
reflection of the way that men and women in this conservative society | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
relate to each other. The man who is raped, which is considered like | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
the female part of a gay relationship, that is the man to be | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
killed. Not the man who is raping, not the rapist. Although both are | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
supposed to be in a homosexual relationship, but still, the idea | :36:03. | :36:10. | |
is that the masculine part of the relationship, is a hero. | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
Ironically, it was under Saddam Hussein that gays in Iraq enjoyed | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
the most freedom. As the humiliation of the US-led | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
occupation gave rise to more radical, more conservative groups, | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
tolerance, especially towards anything perceived as western, | :36:26. | :36:34. | |
became increasingly scarce. Ask anyone in the streets of | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
Baghdad, and they will give you a long list of reasons, cultural and | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
religious, as to why homosexuality is not accepted here. But what's | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
happening in Iraq goes far beyond this stigma and homophobia that | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
exists everywhere in the Middle East. Here, there is very clear | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
evidence of systematic and organised persecution of people who | :36:56. | :37:05. | |
are believed to be gay. This man in mourning, a former | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
police employee, six weeks ago he came to work to find his boyfriend | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
in a pretrial detention cell. There was no official arrest warrant, and | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
there was nothing he could do to help. TRANSLATION: Being gay is not | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
illegal in Iraq, it is not a crime. But he was told he was arrested | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
because he was gay. They call gays "puppies", they would beat him, | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
saying the puppies are destroying the country, and that they must rid | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
the country of them, and they must kill them all. He was in the police | :37:37. | :37:46. | |
station for a week. He died a week -- after a week, a day after he | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
visited him. TRANSLATION: I was so upset, I lost control, I had a | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
fight with the guards, I said why did you kill my lover. They said, | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
since you are like him, you should be dead too. | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
His boyfriend received the first threats in February, around the | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
same time when the Iraqi media reported that dozens of young men | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
were being targeted in Baghdad. They called them Emos, short for | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
"emotionals", in Iraq they are often associated with gays. In | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
response the Iraq Interior Ministry released a response, saying the | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
Emos phenomenon was Satanic and had to be eradicated. 12 deaths were | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
then confirmed, this boy was among them, the UN believes the number | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
was much higher. One local organisation in Baghdad, which | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
monitors the events, believes that the Iraqi political establishment | :38:39. | :38:48. | |
was behind the killings. They put guards in front of the, on the | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
gateways of universities, the guards, these policemen, began to | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
threaten the young men that, if they do not cut their hair short, | :38:57. | :39:04. | |
if they do not dress in a respectable way, "respectable", | :39:04. | :39:10. | |
that they, the policemen cannot guarantee the safety of the young | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
men. So it was another way of the Government to tell all the young | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
people, if you do not submit to a traditionalwear, and to a | :39:24. | :39:33. | |
religiously accepted hairstyle and appearance, you will be killed. | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
With so much fear, loathing and secrecy, it is difficult to | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
establish the exact level of the Government's involvement in the | :39:42. | :39:52. | |
:39:52. | :39:54. | ||
anti-gay campaign. But the accounts of 17 gay men interviewed for this | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
film are consistent. All said the Interior Ministry statement spark | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
add new wave of violence. All have had friends or boyfriends killed, | :40:03. | :40:10. | |
all said arrests were still happening. | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
The Interior Ministry ignored our numerous requests for comment. The | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
Ministry of Human Rights said that it couldn't help gay people, | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
because they were not considered a minority in Iraq. I went to see Ali | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
al-Dabbagh, who speaks on behalf of Iraq's Prime Minister, Nour al- | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
Maliki. International organisations and independently we have seen | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
evidence that homosexuals have suffered a great deal in the hands | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
of the Iraqi police and the army? This country got a different habit | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
and customs, which look to the homosexual in different way, which | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
look to them in the west. We are talking about systematic and quite | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
organised persecution and killings of gay men and women, what is the | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
Iraqi Government doing to stop that? Definitely we stop it already, | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
we don't have now any cases which are violent. We don't have that big | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
number of homosexuals and gays, the gays should respect the behaviour | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
and the moral values of the others, in order to be respected. This is | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
bait like telling a black person not to be black? No, that is nature, | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
by nature he's a black. What's homosexuality? It is not by nature, | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
it is a behaviour. Ali al-Dabbagh also told me if there were any | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
policemen violating human rights, they were acting as individuals. | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
And that they were likely to be militia men who have infiltrated | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
the police or the army. Not a single politician or public | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
figure in Iraq has stootd up to stop the kill -- stood up to stop | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
the killings. Activists say up to 1,000 gays have been murdered in | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
Iraq since 2004, most of them in recent years. A drop in the ocean | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
of tens of thousands of deaths. But, here is why, some believe, these | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
targeted killings are destroying the very promise of a free Iraq. | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
you live in a community where one person does not feel safe, they | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
will kill him, when they finish him, they will turn to the second person, | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
you stay quiet, the third person, they will come then, then they will | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
kill you, and nobody will speak. If we stay quiet about the killing of | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
the gay person, the women will be killed, the other marginalised will | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
be killed, other minorities will be killed, and none of us will be | :42:43. | :42:52. | |
around. It's like we don't exist, Nancy, | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
said to me. The Government doesn't want them to | :42:57. | :43:04. | |
exist. It won't deliver them from those who think that they deserve | :43:04. | :43:14. | |
:43:14. | :43:14. | ||
to die. This morning Germany's highest court gave the green light | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
for the country to ratify the ESM, Europe's new 500 billion euro bail | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
out fund, raising hopes that the eurozone might be moving towards a | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
resolution of the three-year debt crisis. Thousands of petitioners | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
had appealed to the Supreme Court, claiming that a permanent bail out | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
fund breached Germany's constitution, so will this decision | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
have an immediate impact around the eurozone. I have been hearing, from | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
the German Deputy Finance Minister, Steffen Kampeter, and asked him if | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
there was ever any doubt over the decision, given the court had never | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
ruled against the Government before? You can never be sure in | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
front of the constitutional call, I appreciate the decision, because it | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
makes clear that our Government position is in line with the German | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
constitution. The clear message out of Germany to Europe, is the | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
European stablisation mechanism is able to start now. The courts said | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
the Government would have to vote on any extension to the bail out, | :44:10. | :44:18. | |
do you think that will placate the German people? Germany is profiting | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
politically and economically out of the European integration. It is the | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
most profitable nation over the last decade. Therefore, it is my | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
understanding that Germany can't just take something out of the | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
European integration, but sometimes has to invest. Do you think today's | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
decision has made it easier or tougher for Germany to bail out | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
vulnerable countries? I see it as the decision of the constitutional | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
call to calm down the debate. The opponents have no longer the | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
argument, that this movement into the stablisation mechanism is anti- | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
constitutional. This gives everybody the chance to calm down | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
and concentrate on the development of the ESM and other focuses, | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
enhancing competitiveness through all over Europe, and stablising the | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
budget. Mario Draghi of the ECB has announced there will be an | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
unlimited buying spree of sovereign bonds, Angela Merkel backed that, | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
but the Bundesbank was very critical. It is not good for the | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
Chancellor to be seen to be going against the Bundesbank? | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
understanding of the decision of the ECB is it is part of the | :45:27. | :45:33. | |
mandate to stablise the currency by the means they have. The European | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
policies, and the European heads of states and fiscal policies have to | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
do what is their job, that means we are not working in the field of | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
monetary policies, we are working on the field of stablising our | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
budget and enhancing competitiveness and growth. | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
Everybody has to do his own job, I very much appreciate the work of | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
the European Central Bank, but it is independent, and therefore, I | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
won't want to further comment on it. On the question of Greece, the | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
Greek Finance Minister has announced that Greece is going to | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
look into just how much money is owed to them by Germany in war | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
reparations, what do you make of that? We closed the debate on that | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
years ago, and we won't open it again. It was said at the weekend | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
that the problems of the eurozone might best be solved by Germany | :46:22. | :46:31. | |
leaving, should Germany leave the eurozone? That comment was made by | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
someone who has quite good experience from bringing currencies | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
into trouble, as the UK knows from the 1990, I don't much appreciate | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
his political recommendations. Our path is quite clear, we want to | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
keep Europe strong and united. Because we are challenged by the | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
emerging countries, we are challenged by China and the United | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
States, and only a united Europe means the strong Europe. This is a | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
good chance, for example, for the United Kingdom, and for Germany, as | :47:01. | :47:08. | |
well, the more intense we go on the integrated path to Europe. | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
Thank you very much. That's all from Newsnight tonight, we want to | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
leave you with a piece of near history. The national media museum | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
in Bradford will tomorrow unveil the earliest colour moving pictures | :47:21. | :47:28. | |
ever made. Filmed in 1901 by the inventor Edward Turner, they offer | :47:28. | :47:38. | |
:47:38. | :48:05. | ||
a glimpse of a world we only see A chilly night tonight, means a | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
particularly fresh start in the morning. The sunshine will lift | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
temperatures but in the north outbreaks of cloud affecting | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
Scotland and the eastern coast. Some showery rain to the north-east | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
of England. In the Pennines brighter skies, a fine day for much | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
of the Midlands and East Anglia and the south-east. A chilly start by | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
the afternoon, 19 or 20 is possible. A bit more cloud in the afternoon | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
across south-west England. Again, many places dry and fine. It will | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
turn breezey later in the day. That breeze picking up in west Wales, | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
throwing a lot more cloud here, the north coast of Wales should hang on | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
to some bright or sunny spells, as should eastern parts of Northern | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
Ireland, where we could reach 18 or 19. Cloudier in the west. Some | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
light drizzley rain on the north coast of Northern Ireland. | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
Particularly wet in western Scotlandment here the winds really | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
picking up, getting very gusty indeed this time tomorrow. Friday | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
promise as lot of cloud across northern Britain, and fairly strong | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
and gusty winds, a few scattered showers here and there, focus aid | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
cross North West Scotland. Further south many places looking dry on | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
Friday, feeling cooler than those temperatures would suggest because | :49:15. | :49:18. |