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The Prime Minister is fighting on two fronts. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Not content with hitting the EU head on over Brexit, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
she's taken a huge swipe at the Scottish Government. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
Politics is not a game, and government is not a platform for | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
which to pursue constitutional obsessions. | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
A tunnel vision nationalism, which focuses only on | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
independence at any cost, sells Scotland short. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Is this how you talk to a neighbour supposedly | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
We ask the SNP and the Conservative Secretary of State for Scotland. | :00:30. | :00:37. | |
Also tonight - she was a serving officer for 13 years, the face | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
Now she has quit spectacularly on Facebook saying the stress | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
and anxiety brought on by falling police numbers and lack of care | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
And later we'll be live from Belfast, from the Northern Ireland | :00:48. | :00:55. | |
elections where Sinn Fein look like they are having their best | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
showing ever and the leader of the Ulster Unionists has resigned. | :00:59. | :01:10. | |
Few would dispute that we are in a constitutional maelstrom | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
in the UK at the moment, but today that vortex intensified. | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
We had a bruising referendum campaign about the future | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
of the United Kingdom in the EU, but now the fight within the UK | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Today, Theresa May took the Brexit gloves off with a speech to the Tory | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Party in Scotland which accused the Scottish Government | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
of an obsession with Independence stoking up endless constitutional | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
grievance, and tunnel vision nationalism. | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Is this the same Prime minister who arrived in Scotland's capital | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
the day after she won the Tory leadership in July assuring | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
the Scottish government that she wanted it fully engaged | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
Are we heading for a rematch, Indi Ref II? | :01:51. | :02:03. | |
The Brexit referendum has turned what was supposedly a once | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
in a generation decision into a live question once again. | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
The Prime Minister was at the Scottish Conservative Conference | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
today, accusing the SNP of using the EU vote to reheat | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
arguments that the Scottish people have already rejected once. | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
Politics is not a game and government is not | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
a platform for which to pursue constitutional obsessions. | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
It is about taking the serious decisions to improve people's lives. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
A tunnel vision nationalism which focuses only on independence | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
The SNP government has been pressing for what it calls a differentiated | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
settlement for Scotland post-Brexit, staying in the EU single market | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
Today, the Prime Minister ruled out such an arrangement. | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
I am determined to ensure that as we leave the EU, | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
we do so as one United Kingdom which prospers outside the EU | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
That means achieving a deal with the EU which works | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
for all parts of the UK, England, Scotland, Wales | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
And for the United Kingdom as a whole. | :03:13. | :03:23. | |
The truly irritating thing about it all is that there are deals | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
There is a deal with Nissan, a deal for the City of London. | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
There's probably going to be a deal for Ireland, | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
maybe one for soft fruit farmers in East Anglia. | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
And yet the one group of people who have voted so | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
emphatically to want a deal to stay in the EU and the single | :03:40. | :03:47. | |
market are the Scots, and there's no deal available for us. | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
For our precious union, of nations and of people. Theresa May's defence | :03:54. | :04:02. | |
of the union went down well in the hall, but how strong is it in the | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
hearts of Scottish voters? At the independence referendum in 2014, | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
44.7% of Scots voted yes. After that, the pro-independent side got a | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
boost into the high 40s but it settled down to mostly occupy the | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
40, 40 5% zone. Then came the Brexit vote. The fact Scotland was being | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
taken out of the EU against its will created a slight in the | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
pro-independence polling numbers, but then it settled back down to the | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
same zone it was in before the Brexit vote. There has been a | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
significant number of voters, about 15% have, according to the polls | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
move to yes. But that has been balanced by a significant number of | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
voters moving in the opposite direction. So there has been a fair | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
amount of churn. It hints at something deeper and longer | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
standing, which is nobody really knows exactly how a second | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
independence referendum, if it were to happen in 2018 or in 2019, if it | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
happens at all, would play out. Scotland's economic standing has | :05:17. | :05:30. | |
worsened. North Sea oil prices have dropped. And according to the | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
Scottish Government's own figures, Scotland runs a fiscal deficit of | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
9.5% of GDP, or ?15 billion a year. But in politics these days, other | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
arguments seem to carry more weight than simple economics. Another | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
potentially important change since the independence referendum was the | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
wiping out in Scotland of the Labour Party. In 2014 they were confident | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
of delivering their voters for the no side. Since then, those voters | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
have deserted them. Jeremy Corbyn's apparent willingness for abandoning | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
the notion Labour could be a plausible party of government at | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
Westminster, opens the door to Conservative rule in London from | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
2010 to 2030. The SNP think that is something that will powerfully | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
concentrate Scottish minds and make independence see more plausible and | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
unappealing motion. Securing Scotland's place in the EU was a key | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
plank of the 2014 anti-independence campaign. Now it is a key part of | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
the nationalist case. How decisive it might be in changing minds, | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
depends on the Brexit we end up with. | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
David Mundell is the Secretary of State for Scotland. | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
He'll make his speech at the Tory Party Conference | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
Good evening to you. David Mundell, a good photo call with Nicola | :06:51. | :07:02. | |
Sturgeon two days after she became leader, great sound bites. This is | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
the real Theresa May, it was an attack on a national government with | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
its own mandate? It is not anything of that kind. What it is, it is | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
asking Nicola Sturgeon to take the issue of independence of the table. | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
What your report didn't cover was the fact that all polling that has | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
taken place in Scotland indicates the overwhelming majority of people, | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
whether they are for or against independence, are against having | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
another independence referendum at this time. They believe we have made | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
the decision, they think another referendum would be divisive. It is | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
about saying, let's not talk all the time about independence, let's focus | :07:46. | :07:54. | |
on the day job, the issues with health and education. Education, | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
where standards have slumped in Scotland. And on the issue of | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
Brexit, let's come together, work together and get the best deal for | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
Scotland. Working together you assume, means taking a well | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
considered substantial document produced by the Scottish Government | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
before Christmas, giving it credence, having a discussion about | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
it. Why does the reason may not think this is a legitimate document? | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
There is nothing to suggest it is her view. Have you had a formal | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
response? She has said and I have said, we take this document as a | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
serious contribution to the debate. That is why officials from both | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
governments have been working assiduously together to look at the | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
areas in that document where we have common ground and there are a large | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
numbers of areas where we have common ground, workers' rights, | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
criminal justice, and security. But not the single market? What the | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
position is in relation to the single market, the SNP position is | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
to have membership of the single market. Our position is to have | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
access to the single market. In so many areas, the ends we want to | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
achieve the same. If we can agree on those, it seems to me there is a way | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
forward. Why does Theresa May think her voice in Scotland is more | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
legitimate than the First Minister in a country where there was only | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
one Conservative MP returned in the whole country, and that was you. She | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
doesn't think her voice is more legitimate, but she is the Prime | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
Minister of the whole of the United Kingdom. She is entitled to say to | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, stop banging on about independence all the time. The | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
people of Scotland made their decision in 2014. They made it clear | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
in all the polling they don't want to have another... I don't think | :09:59. | :10:07. | |
Theresa May started talking about independence three hours after the | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
declaration of the result in the EU referendum. It is the first time | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
Nicola Sturgeon mentioned independence and she has mentioned | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
it every single day since the 24th of June. You cannot say she has | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
mentioned it every day, so let's leave that. Why does the government | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
reject the idea Britain cannot go it alone outside the EU, and uses the | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
same arguments for why Scotland cannot go it alone? We have had a | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
referendum in Scotland and people have decided to remain decisively, | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
part of the United Kingdom. The overwhelming view of people in | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
Scotland is they should move on from this constitutional debate. I think | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
people want to see both governments working together so we can get the | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
best possible deal from the EU as we exited. That is what we are trying | :11:01. | :11:09. | |
to achieve. In the possibility there is another referendum on Scottish | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
independence, who is going to run a better together campaign? Argument | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
remains, there could be another independence referendum, but we | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
don't believe there should be and we will continue to make the argument | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
we should not have another independence referendum. But the | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
Theresa may put herself on the front of a better together campaign? What | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
Theresa May is doing is emphasising her commitment to the United | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
Kingdom, setting out the benefits of Scotland being in the United | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
Kingdom, but calling on Nicola Sturgeon to take this divisive issue | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
of the threat of another independence referendum of the | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
table. Let's not talk about the independence referendum, Theresa May | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
said she would not be triggering Article 50 until she had a UK | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
approach. The truth is, you don't have a UK approach yet? What doing | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
is continuing to work with the Scottish Government and other | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
devolved administrations to take on board issues and concerns they have | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
raised, so we can go forward into these EU negotiations with a team UK | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
approach. That is the approach that will get is the best results and | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
that is why we want the Scottish Government and the government in the | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
other part of the UK on board, so we can work together. That is how we | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
will get the best approach and that is Theresa May's approach. | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
Stephen Gethins is the SNP's Europe Spokesperson. | :12:38. | :12:38. | |
Theresa May has called Nicola Sturgeon's bluff, so why not just | :12:39. | :12:52. | |
call a referendum and be done with it? Well, in the interview you have | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
just had, we have had David Mundell saying it is still alive document. | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
The biggest crisis we face right now is being taken out of the European | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
Union in a Tory hard Brexit. It could cost thousands of jobs. The | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
most detailed document was produced by the Scottish Government, looking | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
for a compromise that would bring in Northern Ireland and Scotland who | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
voted to remain overwhelmingly. I think trying to pull together that | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
compromise was the right thing to do. It is a serious document. If | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
Theresa May has made it clear she is not interested in an approach which | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
allows you to differentiate and remain in the single market, if she | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
has made it clear and it seems that she has, why not just call the | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
referendum? As soon as she has triggered Article 50? Let's give | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
them the opportunity to come back, David Mundell said it is still live | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
so let's take them on their word. Theresa May had an extraordinary | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
speech lashing out at a government when she doesn't have other problems | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
to seek right now. This is the biggest crisis of this time right | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
now, it could cost 80,000 jobs if we are taken out of the EU. David | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
Mundell talks about independence, Theresa May talks a great deal about | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
independence. People like me are happy with that. When the Scottish | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
Government said we could put that to one side, we can try and compromise, | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
we can look at the deal across the United Kingdom, that is an | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
opportunity they should have seized. We have a situation in the UK where | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
we are getting very few details nine months on. We know there is chaos in | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
a number of Whitehall departments about what happens next. That should | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
be the Prime Minister's priority right now. If you are getting | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
signals in the key plank of your document, which is remaining in the | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
single market, is not a runner, Nicola Sturgeon will look weak if | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
she doesn't call a referendum now and you will be letting down the | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
people who expect you to take one forward? Our first responsibility is | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
about maintaining jobs in the economy. If you look at my own | :15:16. | :15:23. | |
constituency, the University of St Andrews, which relies heavily on its | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
relationship with the European Union, we have to try and seek the | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
least worst option. This is a problem and this is chaos of | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
Westminster's making. It was a Gross responsibility of believe campaign | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
who campaigned on a blank piece of paper. How will the Scottish | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
Government make the decision that concessions, whatever they are or | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
what ever they are not, are sufficient or insufficient enough to | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
call a referendum, when will we have some clarity on this from the SNP. | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
The uni 's Prime Minister is talking about independence, but Nicola | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
Sturgeon did raise it within a month of the referendum. Why not tell | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
people what will govern your decision? | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
Rather than coming up north to Scotland and indulging in some sabre | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
rattling, maybe Theresa May would have been better to work in terms of | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
partnership, take the document seriously. It sets out how we can | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
deal with problems. Remember, this EU decision will have an impact and | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
each and every one of us in terms of our rights, livelihoods, in terms of | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
every single part of the economy. This is the biggest crisis we are | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
facing and it will have an impact on each and everyone of us. There a | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
live document at the moment that came from the Scottish Government | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
that came from the Scottish Government that has more detail than | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
we have seen so far. We want the Westminster government to take that | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
more seriously, and try to work in partnership. | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
Laura Beal joined Devon and Cornwall police 13 years ago when she was 19, | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
She was regarded as such a good officer that her face was | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
on the Constabulary's Annual Report and on posters advertising | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
But this week she did something no other serving | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
She quit very publically, publishing her resignation | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
In it she talked about her mental breakdown. | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
She says she was left disillusioned and suffering from stress | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
and anxiety as a result of the increasing | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
Falling police numbers in the Constabulary took its toll | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
on her capacity to do her job and crucially, she says | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
Good evening. Thank you for joining us. You had a tough time, but do you | :17:40. | :17:53. | |
remember back when you first wanted to be an officer? Very well and very | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
fondly. I used to hear so many fantastic stories from my father. | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
Who was an officer for ten years. Yes. The day I got in wasn't | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
drastic, I was so proud. You were in the force for 14 years, do you | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
remember when he started to feel unwell? It is probably a year or two | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
after the cuts came in, there was the Windsor report and Theresa May | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
did drastic cuts about two years after that. What actually happens to | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
you, what were your symptoms? It ranged from just struggling to get | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
out of bed, and the stereotypical ones where you struggle, it's got to | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
a point to even going shopping was too much. So you just come back. | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
What happened when you were actually on the beat, what impact did your | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
stress levels have on you then? Dramatically. You put your uniform | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
on and put a face on, and that's what everyone is able to do, but it | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
got to the point where even putting your uniform on, which is kind of a | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
mask, you can't even do it any more, and I wasn't able to do it any more, | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
and it was affecting me too much. Did you feel exposed out in the | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
field? Yes, I didn't feel safe. There's not enough of us. I didn't | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
feel safe to drive the vehicle is so quickly in a night and so far. They | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
were expecting us to do so much and there is no support for mental | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
health. The procedures we have to go through, if you say you are not | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
coping well, they sent you to occupational health, who ask if you | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
have seen your doctor, and you'll only get six counselling sessions. | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
If you can't have those sessions, they say you have to find your own | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
route to getting well. Did you feel, as it were, when I say exposed in | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
the field, did you feel frightened or in danger or putting others in | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
danger? I was too professional to feel like I was putting others in | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
danger. The reason I went off sick was because I felt I couldn't do my | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
job properly. I wouldn't put myself at other people in danger because I | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
couldn't do my job properly. You made a career, 13 years, how did you | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
come to the decision? When you are thinking about going into work and | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
it's a sad thing, it shouldn't be said. The whole point of being alive | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
is to be happy, I think. When you go into work and you are making out you | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
are trying to be happy and you can't, it's so suffocating. Even the | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
thought of putting on my uniform was suffocating. How did your family | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
deal with that? How did your father help you, was it difficult for him? | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
My family and friends have been my rocks. I doubt has been so | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
supportive. He has been my inspiration to join, and also to | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
have the courage to leave and say, no, you need to be happy, and that's | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
most important. You have made quite a lot of serious criticisms of | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
police numbers, the way the police are deployed and so forth. Some | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
people might say a stressful job isn't the job for you. I wouldn't | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
have been doing it for 13 years if that was the case. Stress is | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
something you can manage. It is manageable, and I loved my job and I | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
was damned good at it, and you just have to see the comments put on | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
there, it's not just me. A lot of messages of support. So many. All of | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
them resonate about mental health, they were so stressed, they were | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
telling supervisors they were stressed and not coping. What | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
happens is as a result of that they go off sick, and they can't go off | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
sick. These are colleagues in the police that have contacted you. They | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
can't go off sick, and because they are stressed little things happen, | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
they make mistakes, then they are penalised and forced out of the job | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
that weight and all because of their mental health. Do you think there | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
are circumstances you would go back into the police force? No, it's too | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
broken for me. I found my way out and I'm starting to find happy | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
happiness again. I'm doing mobile dog grooming now. Completely | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
different! If you see officers in the same circumstances as you, | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
should they stay and fight for change or should they quit? It's all | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
on an individual basis. You know yourself, be honest and true with | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
yourself. It's not as daunting as you think it's going to be and you | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
owe the police force nothing. You are your own boss. Thank you very | :22:22. | :22:23. | |
much indeed, Laura. A spokesperson for Devon | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
and Cornwall told us... "We do hear concerns from officers | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
and staff and recognise It requires skills and personal | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
resilience which are often We are a supportive force | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
and will always assist an officer It's been another tumultuous | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
week for Donald Trump. Days after a senior member | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
of his team had to resign because of his contacts | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
with a Russia diplomat, the President's top legal official | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
Jeff Sessions also became embroiled in a similar row, leading him | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
to distance himself from any official role in investigating | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
Russian links to I have now decided to recuse myself | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
from any existing or future investigations of any matter | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
relating in any way to the campaigns So, the Presidency mired | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
in another week of scandal. But to one leading American | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
Academic, Timothy Wu, there is no such thing as a bad | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
headline for Mr Trump. Earlier I asked him why the | :23:21. | :23:27. | |
president thrives on negative press. He has a completely different | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
strategy and different way His main interest is always | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
getting attention first, always being the centre of every | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
headline, dominating all the news. I think as far as he's concerned, | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
if he does that, he wins. But did he come upon this | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
by accident or design? You know, I think certain things | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
are just people's intuition. He's an entertainer, however, | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
he understands that the show with the greatest ratings | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
tends to win. And I think what he understands | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
is that the American public's Got a million things | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
going on and most of all And if he actually gets to reach | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
people with his messages, In a sense, his own unpredictability | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
is exciting, are you suggesting? You know, the things that really get | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
people hooked are unpredictable Whether it is on purpose or not, | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
he seems to have more of America paying attention to the presidency | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
than any time maybe since So, he has really succeeded | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
in a very unusual method that most So the idea is, you don't | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
necessarily have to win a quick hit, you just have to keep going and be | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
out there the whole time and by even It's kind of counterintuitive, | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
but it suggests that ultimately it is a contest for attention | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
and the win-lose All that matters in the end is who's | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
getting the most attention, who's getting their message | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
across and by that metric, Donald Would that also suggest | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
that there is no such thing as bad publicity or is there something that | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
could be his downfall? You know, for him I really | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
believe his downfall will not be through normal means, | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
but more like by being Not like Richard Nixon, | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
but more like Paris Hilton where people just get sick of him | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
and forget about it and then His power comes from | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
a very different place But you could forget | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
about Paris Hilton, it's a little bit more difficult to forget | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
about the president, isn't it? He will have other forms of scrutiny | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
than Paris Hilton had. That's why I think it's safe to say | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
he's hacked the media. Even the story we are doing | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
here, it's irresistible, he is the President, | :25:46. | :25:52. | |
you can't ignore him He's hacked the power | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
of the media and he's using it Even if that means losing - | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
losing in the superficial sense - he's trying to win in | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
the deeper sense. So, is the kind of counterpunch then | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
to have the media ignore a lot of what he says, | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
which would presumably I think that's the only | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
way for him to really have his downfall is if the media, | :26:15. | :26:22. | |
and frankly the public, just get sick of him, | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
kind of like an act that's gone one It seems strange, he is | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
still the president, but I think it's possible people | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
could get sick of the whole shtick. Indeed, surely if there was some | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
crisis that befell America, something which required | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
the president to step up to the plate and he fell short | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
in that, would that not be I think he could be impeached | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
and that would be a turning point. I think his absurd handling | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
of some crisis in some very strange way would, | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
by his metric, not damage him as much as it would | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
damage anybody else. Now we bring you the very latest | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
on a very significant night As the votes come in for | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
the Northern Irealnd Assembly elections, the Ulster Unionist Party | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
leader Mike Nesbitt has resigned, and Sinn Fein are on their way | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
to their best night ever. The BBC's Ireland correspondent | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
Chris Buckler joins us There are still about 15 of the 90 | :27:24. | :27:37. | |
seats to be filled and counting continues, but it's clear Sinn Fein | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
has had a very good election. They went into this vote campaigning | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
about what they said was the DUP's arrogance, a botched green energy | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
scheme and issues like the Irish language, and there is no doubt that | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
motivated their vote to come out, and they have given them a great | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
deal of support. In fact, they have narrowed the gap between their form | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
a coalition partners, the DUP, two fractions of a percentage point | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
whenever you look at the share of first percentage vote. Saying that, | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
the DUP have done relatively well, they have shored up their position | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
and it will be a very tight result. However, speak to some Democratic | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
Unionists politicians and privately they say it's a bad day for | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
unionism, partly because UUP President Mike Nesbitt has resigned | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
because of his party's poor performance. We have seen the middle | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
ground getting squeezed and this divisive election, this sectarian | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
election, has led to success for Sinn Fein in particular and also the | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
DUP. What do you think the most likely formulation will be at the | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
end? The big problem is trying to form some sort of power-sharing | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
government. That will not be easy. We have already had Sinn Fein set | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
out a red line saying they want Arlene Foster to step aside, not | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
become First Minister, if they are going to go back into government | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
with the DUP, at least as long as a public enquiry lasts into the | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
botched green energy scheme. She was the minister in charge of that | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
scheme when it was set up inexplicably without cost controls. | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
That'll put pressure on Arlene Foster and the DUP. I think trying | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
to put a deal into power-sharing back. They have three weeks to get | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
eight First Minister and Deputy First Minister elected. Frankly, | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
that's looking like a tough ask. It raises the possibility that | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
Westminster might have to step in and take over, effectively what's | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
known as direct rule, where they run things in Northern Ireland while | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
there isn't a functioning executive. Neither Sinn Fein nor the DUP want | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
that, but tonight it doesn't look like they want to work with each | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
other at this stage either. Thank you, Chris. | :29:46. | :29:47. | |
But before we go, Nintendo launched a new games console today. | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
No doubt it'll render Mario in ever more detail than before | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
But a part of us wonders whether the energetic plumber | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
Quite a wet start to the day for Scotland and Northern Ireland. It | :29:58. | :30:50. | |
will be windy and quite cold as well. Any rain doesn't last too long | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
in eastern England. There | :30:55. | :30:55. |