16/11/2015 Outside Source

Mrs Outside Source, we will bring you the latest on the Paris attacks.

Arrests have been made in France and Belgium, but one of the main

suspects are still on the run. Earlier the French president,

Francois Hollande, spoke. We are at war, a new type of war against a new

sort of enemy. We will also focus on the man that supposedly masterminded

the attack and we will get into sport as well. That is the man that

is accused of being behind the attacks. We will also get into sport

because there is a friendly match between England and France at

Wembley and it has taken on huge symbolic importance. Security has

been stepped up before the game and some of the players have been

speaking. We will also hear from BBC Russia

about how they are covering the story. Welcome to those watching on

the BBC News Channel. I know you have been watching David Cameron

give a speech. He was at a banquet in London. Let us see a little of

what he had to say. The root cause of this threat is the poisonous

ideology of extremism itself. This ideology, this TV 's view of the

world, has become an epidemic, affecting minds from mosques to

bedrooms. -- this twisted view of the world. We have to stop it from

the start, stop the seat of hatred being planted in peoples minds let

alone allowing it to grow. This means confronting the ideology with

our own liberal values, exposing this extremism for what it is, a

belief system that glorifies violence and subjugated people, not

least some people. Better still to the International correspondent for

the BBC. Thank you for joining us on Outside Source. First we have a

question from Hardy. He says can we ask why Obama has been bombing for

30 months but now they are stronger than ever. The figure that has been

used is that 20,000 people have been killed during the bombings. It is

clear and any military expert would a soldier from the start that you do

not win this of water from the air, so who will be putting boots on the

ground. The events of late has emphasised that the strategy is not

working and from the beginning the strategy was described as breaking

the momentum of the so-called Islamic State, but it is no longer

measured by how much territory they have in Iraq and Syria, it is now

being measured by Paris and be rich and other places that are under

threat. They have proven their ability to carry out these attacks.

And we are to stage will be conceived for sure that Islamic

State or behind the Russian plane that was coming down? President

Putin was asked about it and he says it is still not clear. The Egyptian

state is still not clear. American intelligence experts are saying that

there are intelligence is patchy. They do not have the kind of

intelligence they can put together. They are still sceptical and they

had not come out with any certainty. Some people are saying they are 90%

sure but I think people are saying that until his death on it, although

so-called Islamic State are already celebrating to increase propaganda

value. Here's a question from India: The big question you have discussed

in this programme is to do with the movement of people in Europe, the

borderless Europe, and it is now under threat. I was following the

migrants and refugees over the summer and saw how some countries

put wire fences and of police along the border and some are now bolting

down the hatches even more with reports that it could've been a

Syrian who came through that migrant trail who was responsible for the

attacks in Paris. You carried the Arab uprisings from the beginning.

Did you ever imagined that its importance would reach so far that

we would be implying this kind of pressure on the central tenets of

the European Union? It is extraordinary. I was listening to a

speech by one of the great thinkers of our time he talked about how we

live in a unique moment and it is unique because it is a leaderless

world and because it is so unpredictable. It is fine for it to

be unpredictable for us but it has become unpredictable for some of the

world's best intelligence agencies, it is difficult to measure how the

world will turn and it has been turning for the worst. There has

been a lot of social media about how proportionate coverage of the

attacks has been. Now one is disputing that it is terrible but we

know there have been other atrocities. How do we judge these

things? It is so difficult. We feel the pain of people in Lebanon

Beirut, people who lived in places that had not seen devastation for a

long time, and then before the Paris pawning is killed by an attack. They

said that why did they not get the said that why did they not get the

safety check that was out for Paris, I did everyone put the French flag

on the avatars, I was thinking about this and watching the coverage of

Paris, we're getting the names and faces and stories and on a human

level you feel for these people who have lost their lives. We do not get

that level of detail, we do not know who died in Beirut, we do not know

who dies every day in Syria and Iraq, and until we can provide the

same kind of human context to the stories, and often the stories in

Syria are too dangerous for the media to reach. But it is an

important question to ask. Thank you for making time for us. Do follow us

on Twitter if you have any questions you would like to raise. She was

mentioning the stories of some of those who were lost and we will be

hearing tributes to those who lost their lives on Friday in hearing

from some of those who survived the attacks in a few minutes on Outside

Source. But now we're going to turn to sport, although it has been

completely overshadowed by what happened in Paris. There is a

friendly match taking place on Tuesday night between England and

France. It was always scheduled to take place at Wembley and now it has

taken on a greater significance. Both teams have given press

conferences in the last few hours, letters you what they said. We have

to play football and try to escape people during the game and there

will be a lot of emotion from us, from players, but as I say, we are

in London in England and we know that the English people are very

respectful and obviously it will be a great moment of solidarity. I have

team-mates from a club in both teams there as well and I spoke to them

after it happens and it is hard for everyone, including ourselves, and

we have to try and be as respectful as they can and then there is a

football match and it will be tough for the French players, but I am

sure it will be a chance for them to try and do their country proud and

I'm sure all the players have felt in the last few days that they will

give everything they can to make France proud and likewise we will

represent England and shall I respect to France at this time. Our

correspondent is life on the BBC Sports Centre. Three of those

attackers were targeting the Stade de France. I'm thinking that

security will be high Wembley? It is always a major operation

policing Wembley Stadium. Many people are expected there for the

match and some of those will be travelling French fans who were at

the Stade de France when the explosions were heard outside during

the friendly match against Germany on Friday night was targeted in

those Paris attacks. The police said that they to reassure the fans and

the French team, what a strange situation for them to the end,

because they were given the option to withdraw from the match tomorrow

evening against England but they have travelled in school, the whole

squad of 23. They trained at Wembley this evening and they said that they

are doing it out of solidarity. The police say that there will be in

crease and highly visible armed police, but they say they have that

no specific information regarding any security threat. The British

Transport Police and the armed peace officers will be highly visible on

all approaches towards Wembley Stadium, which is going to be a

strange atmosphere and sure tomorrow evening.

Thank you. The words of the French national anthem will be on big

screens in Wembley and England fans are being encouraged to sing with

the French players. There were questions about whether the parish

attacks will affect the next Euro Championships which will take place

on 560. The authorities say absolutely not. The Republic of

Ireland have qualified for the tournament. In a few moments on

Outside Source, I will be hearing from BBC Arabic and BBC Persian to

hear how they are covering the Paris attacks, particularly looking at the

diplomatic consequences. One of the questions being asked repeatedly by

some of you getting in touch is whether those two men, Vladimir

Putin and Barack Obama, could work closer together to take on IS and to

deliver a diplomatic solution to what is happening in Syria. In the

UK, the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said he would oppose Britain

taken part in air strikes in Syria following the attacks in Paris. Mr

Corbyn also stressed that if the UK face such an attack, he would not be

happy with soldiers and police officers conducting a so-called

shoot to kill policy. Bringing people onto the street to prevent

problems and safety is assured is much better it is done by the police

and security services, it is better we have good community and

neighbourhood policing and a cohesive society that brings people

together. Obviously that is essential and that is one of the

messages I will be putting to the Prime Minister. If you were Prime

Minister would you be happy to order people to shoot to kill on

Britain's streets? I am not happy with the shoot to kill policy in

general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think it can often

be counter-productive. I think you have to have security that prevents

people firing weapons when you can. There are various degrees of doing

things as you know, but the idea of the war on the streets is not a good

thing. Surely have to work to prevent these things happening, that

has to be the priority. Here is our political correspondent's analysis.

If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's comments on a shoot to kill policy

there will be those who share his views and those who see it as

principled insistence. Jeremy Corbyn's principle on violence is

very well-established, but I have been talking to senior Labour

figures, some of whom say that Jeremy Corbyn's Cabinet table, who

have been putting their heads in the hands and saying that he lives in a

different planet from the rest of us, including those who look to the

Prime Minister for acceptance of the idea that they are meant to keep the

population said. The idea of whether Jeremy Corbyn is qualified on should

to kill in terror situations, doesn't show he is not qualified

suited for the office of Labour leader possible Prime Minister? Some

commentators around the place and Jeremy Corbyn's critics will be

picking up that we frayed. It is also part of the wider process of so

many people coming to terms with the new reality of concern about

security in the era of extremist violence.

We are live here in the BBC newsroom. A major manhunt is

continuing for a suspect still thought to be at large after the

Paris attacks on Friday. Police are carried out 160 raids across France

alone. There is further coverage of the

Paris attacks coming up here on the BBC. If you're outside the UK, world

news America will be speaking to a former director the CAA about the

Paris attacks and those in the UK will see us live from Paris with the

news at 10pm. -- the CIA. One of the reasons that the Paris attacks on

such a big story is the root causes of that are not just in France or

Belgium but really in the conflict in Syria and the broader rise of

Islamic State. World leaders are currently meeting in Turkey. Syria

and the migrants and refugee crisis was always going to be high on the

agenda but more so now because of the attacks on the plane and in

Beirut and in Paris. We saw Russia and the US in the conversation

yesterday. -- the president saw. Now because live to Washington, DC. We

have sought Francois Hollande talking about destroying Islamic

State. President Obama is not going to shift his approach?

He made that very clear at a press conference if you are is a goal

where he was very much on the defensive and coming under fire from

the American press as well, demanding to know how he can justify

his claims that his strategy is working because what this seems to

be in America is this great disconnect to what President Obama

says is an effective strategy, that is one that is reclaiming territory

from Islamic State and the killing of jihadi John just last week just

before the Paris attacks started, but the bottom line is that

Americans don't see any tangible results that affect them. They do

not feel safe, especially when you have the terrible scenes coming from

Paris and threats against Washington and the Russian plane being brought

down over Egypt. It adds up to the feeling that when President Obama

says that he is containing Islamic State through his strategy, he

isn't. It seems to most people but the containment isn't there.

What about his approach to refugees coming from Syria into America? He

has previously said that Americans should be willing for that to

happen. The fact of one of these attackers came into Greece is

presumably putting pressure on that policy?

It is making that job harder. The state department again reiterated

that America would receive 10,000 Syrian refugees by the end of next

year, but he is getting real pushback from state governors who

say that it should not be happening in their backyard. Alabama,

Michigan, Texas are among the states that are saying they will not

welcome Syrian refugees into their states. What they can do to stop

them coming is another question because once refugees are in the

country I don't know what law is the country I don't know what laws that

are where they want. That is an interesting situation that is

developing, but it really shows the political discord that we now have,

not only over Mr Obama's strategy in Syria but what to do with the

consequences. Thank you. I guess the fact that

President Obama is even talking about ground troops is a clear sign

that the discussion is changing around Syria what to do about it. He

wants to understand what else has changed because of the Paris

attacks. We have invited a correspondence from BBC Arabic and

BBC Russia to help us. It is a huge change in comparison to previous G20

summits. It previous summits President Putin was in isolation but

now everyone to discuss the future of the coalition against Isis with

him. They issued threats to Russia and this means that Russia may

changes approach slightly towards it strikes, maybe they will pay more

attention to Isis held territory. If we assume that Islamic State brought

down the plane in rush hour we have a situation where Russia and France

are united in grieving for people lost because of Islamic State. We're

focusing on military operation but might there be diplomatic

co-operation that could deliver video and Syria? Diplomacy is the

result of facts on the ground, so when you have a situation it needs

time and it need some changes, game changers, to help people to go to

the negotiation table. This is not happening so far so there is still a

divergence and positions. People do not know whether President Assad

should remain or not, or what kind of opposition we should bring to the

table. All these details should be coordinated with what is happening

on the ground and when the Russians intervene they change the situation

is underground and they helped to establish an equation where

President Assad is much more powerful than he was before. At the

same time he is not the winner of the game and this was convincing

enough for him to go to the table. While President Putin is supporting

President is a sad, I always get the impression that this is really about

Russia and President Putin and perhaps even black President Assad

go if he felt he was still in control of the situation. For Russia

it is the best time to start a diplomatic game because this

position is strong because they are carrying out air strikes but it is

obvious that neither the Western coalition or Russian or listen alone

can change the game on the ground, so there must be some compromise

found, but at the same time the Russian position is strong enough

for Russia to bring its own agenda and tried to pursue its own goals in

Syria and in the international arena. What has happened in Europe

says one thing, it is a war between technology and ideology. This is

what makes it very difficult to fight against ideology because

ideology is here, it is not in war machines. If we're talking about

what the Russians and Europeans are intending to do what the French have

done yesterday through the air strikes, it doesn't change a lot. It

doesn't stop the ideology from performing or being a threat in the

future and I think this is the most important issue and the message that

was sent in what happened in France. Thank you for that analysis. Two

things to bring you before we wrap up this edition. I have pulled up

the BBC live page which you will find on our website. I was telling

you about a presupposition in Strasbourg and we're now seeing

information that operation is over. No information about why it started

or finished, but at the moment it does not seem to be hugely

significant to what happened in Paris. This is just coming in from

Reuters, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude

Juncker, and the chairman of the European Union, Donald passed, were

grounded on Monday because this security concern regarding their

plane. That is an EU official being quoted by Reuters. No more

information on the security concerns that have grounded those people but

as soon as they hear then we will pass them on to you. That is it for

this edition of Outside Source, we will be back tomorrow at the same

time. Now look at some of the stories

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