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hello, I'm Ros Atkins, welcome to outside source, in Aleppo at least

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45 people have been killed in the most intense bombing in months, an

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aid convoy has reached at least one Syrian town, the UN says getting to

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Aleppo is almost impossible. President Assad blames the US. I

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believe this is not genuine regarding the cessation of violence

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this year. One boat loaded with migrants has collapsed of the

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Egyptian coast, relief for the survivors although it is believed

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hundreds have died, we will have a report from the region. This looks

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like an important story, Yahoo has announced that 500 million of its

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users had information stolen in 2014 and it may have been a

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state-sponsored act. Safely in San Francisco is working on that. If you

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have questions on any of our stories, these

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B start with breaking news which has come to the BBC newsroom in the last

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few moments, saying that the Syrian army has announced the start of a

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new major offensive in rebel held eastern Aleppo and calls on

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residents to avoid rebel outposts. There have been extraordinarily

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heavy bombardment is in Aleppo. The Syrian army now says there will be

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any major offensive in this part of the city. That very much confirms

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what we have been saying for the last 48 hours, the ceasefire looks

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to be completely over. President Assad of Syria will have been the

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man who ordered that offensive. He has given array interview. In the

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last five years he's been accused of orchestrating the Indus

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indiscriminate bombing of civilians and the use of chemical weapons. He

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denies this and denies any knowledge of that attack on a UN aid convoy on

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Monday. He is pointing the figure at the Americans on that. The interview

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was conducted by the APA news agency. This is some of that.

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We would like to be committed to a ceasefire but it is not about silly

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or Russia, it's about the United States and the groups that have been

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affiliated to Isis. They announced publicly that they are not

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committed. This started in February, last February, it did not work I

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think because of the United States and I believe the United States is

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not genuine, regarding having the cessation of violence this year.

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There is one thing all sides can agree on, this ceasefire has just

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about collapsed. This is footage of the bombardment of Aleppo that I was

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mentioning. One of the most sustained attacks on the city for

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months and it is reported that 45 people have lost their lives.

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America's top military official has wade into this debate over who

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carried out the attack on that UN aid convoy on Monday. General Joseph

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Dunford says he has no doubt that the Russians are responsible, he

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just doesn't know whose aircraft dropped the bomb. He is saying that

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there are three air forces above Syria, the Syrian air force, the

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Russian air force and the US led coalition. So it was one of those

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three. He is saying it is not the American led coalition although he

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is not sure which of the other two were responsible. Syria is still top

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of the agenda at the United Nations as it has been all week. We can

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speak to Laura Trevelyan from New York. You have a guest who can help

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us understand how this issue is being approached? That's right, Ros,

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this is a spokeswoman for the Syrian opposition. Right now, we have these

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diplomatic talks going on in New York, John Kerry has met with

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, we are also hearing news

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that the Syrian military has announced this offensive in eastern

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Aleppo. What is your reaction. This shows that the regime is lying. You

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can't just have an offensive about preparing for one, without having

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the proper army and air coverage so you can't just come out all of a

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sudden and say I'm trying to advance in Aleppo. It means the regime has

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been preparing for weeks for this offensive and he's just buying time,

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relying on the Russians to give him more time to do this ground

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offensive. Where do you think that leaves the diplomacy? Is this US -

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Russia ceasefire deal dead if there is a new Syrian military offensive

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in rebel held eastern Aleppo? You can say this all goes back to the

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USA and the Americans and they are meeting and putting pressure on the

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other side. We talked about the grounding of the Syrian regime, that

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would be an important step if Woods turned to actions so we need the US

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leadership to come forward and pressure the Russians but so far

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from all the meetings at the UN today nothing came out of them.

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Sergey Lavrov is buying time from the United States and buying time

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for the regime to prepare themselves to protect Aleppo because that is

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all they want, to take Aleppo and advance in northern Syria. He

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doesn't want a truce. He doesn't want a ceasefire. Do you get the

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sense that people are waiting for the next US administration, the

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clock is ticking on the Obama administration which will leave

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office in January and what impact is that having on people on the ground?

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Secretary John Kerry has some time to work on what he called for

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yesterday, he requested the grounding of the Syrian regime and

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holding them accountable, who will now react on this offensive? We lost

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yesterday around 22 civilians since this morning. Who will be

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responsible for this? So of course we are counting on the next

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administration to have a proper foreign policy towards Syria but we

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do hope Secretary Kerry in the remaining time will use that time to

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work on a no-fly zone or at least the grounding of the Syrian regime.

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You were at the Geneva peace talks which were about a transition to a

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new form of government in Syria, with what you've heard about the

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bombing and the new offensive in eastern Aleppo, what hopes still you

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have of a peaceful solution? Absolutely we don't have a hope for

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such regime. We hope again that the USA and our friends and allies will

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step forward and take their responsibilities. They are the ones

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who worked on the political solution. The political solution was

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signed in Vienna with all the Syrian groups, they have to take their

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responsibility. We hope that peace will come to Syria but it takes two

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to tango. That is why we are looking for reliable partner to achieve that

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piece. Thank you for joining us. That is the view from this

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spokesperson for the Syrian opposition, she has been here all

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week attending all these meetings, while the fighting on the ground is

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apparently revived. The interesting thing listening to your guest is a

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tacit acknowledgement that whatever the Syrian government or the

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opposition once, it will be the Americans and the Russians who work

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this one out. -- whatever the Syrians want. Particularly the

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Russians because it is the Russians that have the leverage with

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President Assad because one year ago they started this military operation

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in support of Assad and he's acknowledged that it has made a

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difference to him, it has enabled him to solidify, even advance his

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position. So the question is, how involved to the Russians wish to get

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in, as it were, keeping President Assad in this position? Are they

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going to want to reach a stage where it looks like he's got the upper

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hand and wants to negotiate what is going on? Big power politics and

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that meeting going on right now the international Syria support group

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and we help to hear from Sergey Lavrov, the Russian Prime Minister

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and John Kerry when that meeting wraps up. It started about 40

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minutes ago. Thank you for all your reporting this week from the United

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Nations. We started by looking at what is happening in Syria and in

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New York. Now a devastating story off the coast of Egypt. A boat full

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of migrants trying to reach Europe has capsized. We understand it was

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12 kilometres out to sea. We know that rescuers have operated out of

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Rosetta, Egypt, and survivors have told the BBC there were about 550

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people on board and hundreds of people are feared drowned. Hard to

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confirm those numbers that all Geron the BBC has tried to find out what

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happened. Reclaimed from the sea,

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survivors of the latest tragedy Saved by the Egyptian military,

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but taken into police custody. Some overwhelmed by exhaustion,

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after up to 8 hours treading water, Most were young Egyptians from poor

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communities, who told us they wanted They said more than 550 people

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were crammed onto the boat. It was very small,

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said Ahmed, who's 17. Before we capsized,

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half the crew got away. Mohammed survived, but without his

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cousin, who was just 14. TRANSLATION: May God have

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mercy on him and all I was going to die,

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but God helped me. Outside the police station,

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anguish and anger. Some relatives complained

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the authorities took hours to respond to distress signals

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from the sinking boat. But then, what they'd

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all been waiting for. The survivors are emerging now,

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they've spent the night in custody. They're being reunited

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with their families. Many of the relatives have been

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maintaining a vigil here right through the night,

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hoping against hope to get news Hoping that they were

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not among the dead. This ten-year-old was carried out.

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He set sail with his teenage cousins. They survived but his

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eight-year old brother did not. He has barely spoken since he was

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rescued. And this father, beyond words in his grave. Ahmed had just

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found out his 16-year-old son is no longer among the living. One more

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young man who died trying for a better life. Orla Guerin, BBC News,

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Rosetta, Egypt. You can find that report with

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further information on the migrant crisis online now.

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We will go back to North Carolina where there is a state of emergency

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in Charlotte, a second night of violence, demonstrators throwing

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rocks at the police and the police in turn using standard grades. 44

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people were arrested and one person is in hospital, police say that

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person was shot by a protester. This is a message from the governor of

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North Carolina saying he has declared a state of emergency and

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turned to the National Guard and Highway Patrol to assist with law

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enforcement. We've heard from the mayor of the city. This is a clip of

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what she has been saying. The safety and security of our community and

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our law enforcement officers remains our top priority. Today our city is

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open for business as usual and we let people come to our town, we are

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here working, buses are running, we are here to serve in the city is

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open. There's began with the police shooting dead Keith Lamont Scott,

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the third black person to be shot dead this week by an American police

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officer. The first was in Ohio, 113-year-old was shot after

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allegedly pulling an air gun from his waistband steering arrest-1

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13-year-old. There was also a story from Tulsa in Oklahoma, a motorist

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was shot and his sister has been talking to the BBC's world Have Your

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Say programme. This is some of the interview. It was very disturbing to

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hear the audio of the helicopter police, people that we pay to

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protect and serve us, to prejudge my brother and say, he looks like a big

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bed man, he just wasn't given a chance. He wasn't armed, -- big bad

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man. He wasn't doing anything criminal, no weapons in the vehicle.

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They approached him like he was bad. I am just heartbroken, I am

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heartbroken. All three incidents will be investigated by the police.

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One last thing, this is a project by the Guardian. It has begun

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documenting every person killed by the police in America. So far this

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year that has come to 790 people. To break them down by race 194 of those

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people were black. That's 25% of those who died, 13% of America's

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population is black so clearly the number of Black deaths is

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disproportionately high. Get full details of those who have died and

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who they were through the Guardian's website. In a while we will be live

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in San Francisco to update you on an important story. Yahoo says 500

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million of its users, many of them watching now, will have had

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information stolen in 2014. Dave legal map will tell us what was

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stolen and who might have done it- Dave legal map.

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100 days until Hull becomes city of culture, the artistic programme has

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been unveiled and the organiser of the event is Martin Green.

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It's called made in Halle, we've got an installation piece which is about

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the past of the city and also performances by Woody Woodman C and

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Tony Visconti from the Spiders from Mars, a new exhibition about the

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work of transmissions from this city, many stories that hopefully

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will bring it alive to people who might not have considered the city

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before. This is a 365 day programme and we'll have something on every

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day for 365 days. Welcome back, this is Outside

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Source, a rebel held convoy has reached the first outside area of

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Damascus, the first aid convoy since the ceasefire stopped and the

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bombardment stopped the convoy reaching Aleppo. In Yemen Saudi led

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air strikes killed 20 civilians in the rebel held city yesterday. We

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reported from there, the city is cut off from aid supplies and people are

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dying from money division. Australian authorities have cast

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doubt on the theory that the missing flight from Rosie might have had a

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fire on board before it went missing. If you look at the most red

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list on the BBC website a new Disney film has drawn accolades and

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criticisms. The accolades of the focus on Polynesian culture, yet

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critics say it is cultural appropriation.

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confirmed that hackers stole information from 500 million users

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in 2014. It has been suggested that a state rather than a hacking group

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is involved. Dave Lee is working on the story from San Francisco. Dave,

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what kind of information was taken? Yahoo says it thinks a lot of

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personal information was taken, names, addresses, dates of birth,

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also security questions and answers like what is your mother 's maiden

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name, that's been taken. Passwords were stolen although they have been

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encrypted so that should be OK. And payment data like credit cards, but

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has not been taken. The nature of some of the information is not as

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drastic as it could be although the size of the bridge is troubling. Why

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didn't they tell us two days ago? They say that they did not know two

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years ago. They've been looking into this for some time. They said a

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journalist came to Yahoo and said they had seen the information being

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sold on the dark web. That's shady part of the Internet where many

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deals are done. It all became public in August this year when that story

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broke and it has taken until today for Yahoo to confirm the extent of

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the bridge, they were at first said it was 200 million users and now

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they have confirmed it is 500 million users. I've just spoken to a

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company that bought Yahoo for a massive deal in July and they said

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they've only heard about the breach in the last two days. So you do

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wonder what impact that might have upon the purchase of Yahoo. People

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will be watching in the UK who have accounts with Yahoo, watch and they

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do? The usual advice, we've heard it so often, change your passwords, and

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be vigilant for any suspicious e-mails that may appear to be from

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Yahoo or indeed from anyone because they might be trying to get more

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information from you. The main thing is, change your passwords. Thank

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you, Dave, live from San Francisco. Back to the business coverage. We

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have talked many times about the efforts to make a new trade deal

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between the European Union and the US. At called a transatlantic trade

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and investment partnership. Not very snappy. People call it TTIP. Last

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month Germany's economic adviser said the process had failed and

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nobody is admitting it. One more push is going on in Bratislava in

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Slovakia and Rob Cameron from the BBC is there.

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TTIP the deal with the US has been described as deadlocked, moribund,

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that isn't just the media, these are words from the very highest

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officials in Europe, especially in Germany and France. We are expecting

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the French Trade Minister to table a motion for TTIP to be formally

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paused in Bratislava. Will that happen? We'll have to wait and see.

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This time last week I was in Bratislava with Outside Source, and

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one big question was when the UK would trigger Article 50 and begin

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the process of leaving the European Union. Boris Johnson, the UK Foreign

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Secretary, has had this to say today. We are talking to our

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European friends and partners in the expectation that by the early part

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of next year you will see an Article 50 letter. This echoes what Donald

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Tusk, the president of the European Council, said, that Theresa May and

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intimated that this would be their favourite time to trigger Article

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50. It doesn't mean that it will happen, although this is where the

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mood music is at the moment. If I say Tim Horton 's, many of you may

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well have blank faces, but not in Canada, it is part restaurant chain,

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part Canadian institution, pot coffee and doughnut specialist and

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it's coming to the UK. If this clip we are about to see has anything to

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go by, we all have some learning to do!

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Tim who? Horton? I haven't. I recognise the name. Isn't that food?

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Is it? I don't know. I have no idea, I don't know. I'm assuming it's some

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kind of Coffey shot? Know, I've no idea. Yes, Tim Hortons

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doughnut things, yes. Samir Hussein joins us live from New York, as a

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Canadian you are perfectly positioned to explain to the rest of

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us what makes TTIP so special to all of you? Not only that, I could

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answer any of those questions, I could tell you what a double double

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is! I have had a double double but for me it is a bit too much cream

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and sugar. Tim Hortons is an institution because it a coffee

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chain where you can find -- you can find it all over Canada and it was

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started by a hockey player, of course, how Canadian! This is a

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coffee chain that is very quintessential with Canadian

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culture. Why would you go to a Tim Hortons? You will ask for a double

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double and everyone will know what you are talking about. We have seen

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that TTIP are making their way into other countries. There are Tim

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Hortons in the USA, some in New York, not far from the BBC office

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and as a franchise is making its way into different countries, they are

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in the Middle East, it was that the Canadian base in Afghanistan, and

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now we hear that it's making its way to the United Kingdom. We will see

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how it does, thank you for explaining it! Tim Hortons, coming

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to the UK. If you are watching in Canada and the US you can tell us

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what is so special about it, I guess I will get the chance to try it for

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myself in London. That's it for this half of Outside Source, if you have

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questions, use this hashtag and I'll be back with you in a couple of

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minutes time. Good evening, time to look at what

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is happening weather-wise around the world.

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