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Next source. The fate of flight MH17 has confirmed. A rebel source

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brought the plane down in 2013. For the first time in Barack Obama's

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tenure, the US Senate and Congress have overturned a presidential veto.

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The bill will allow families of the victims of 9/11 to sue Saudi Arabia.

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Tributes to Siobhan Peres have been paid across the world. He was a

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giant of Israeli politics. We will talk to Jeremy Bowen about his

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career in politics in half an hour. And an effort to tackle sexism in

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online gaming has been the focus of the BBC news beat investigation. We

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will hear what they have found and how two of the biggest online hosts

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have reacted to the problem. And Rory Cellan-Jones explains why

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blackberry will not be making phones any more.

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Let's start by going through the events that led up to flight MH17

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being shot down. We know that it took off from Amsterdam just after

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10:30pm GMT on July the 17th of 2013. 298 passengers and crew were

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aboard. It started to travel across central and eastern Europe towards

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its destination of Kuala Lumpur. It was shot down over the Donetsk

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region of Ukraine. That is territory that was and is controlled by pro

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Russia rebels. Today, an international investigation has

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found that the missile that was fired was brought across the border

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from Russia. If we're going to be precise, we know it was fired six,

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two South of this particular village, which was also controlled

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by the rebels. 25 kilometres away was where the plane came down. These

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pictures show the crash site. We know that everybody on board lost

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their lives. The investigation found that the missile launcher after the

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attack was then taken back to Russia. They have also made progress

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in establishing who was responsible. Here is some of what we heard from

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the investigators. TRANSLATION: There are 100 people who can be

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linked to the crash of MH17 in one way or another or the transport of

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the Buk. We have established the identity of some of them. These

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people were active in getting control of the Buk trailer and

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transporting it to the launch site. Let's be clear, Russia is denying it

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had anything to do with this plane coming down. We cannot accept as a

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final truth what they say. And I bet you have not seen any proof of that

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statement. We have to be very precise. It is a very serious

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tragedy. We cannot operate on statements without any proof for

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details. We know that the details are in there, and unfortunately we

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are still missing a lot of the details to be able, and to find

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ourselves able to say that this was that way and this weapon came from

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that part, or from that direction or from this direction. So that is

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Russia's side of the story. We have this report and allegations and

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inevitably everyone is asking what happens next. I put that point to

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Richard Wescott. Even if they name names, where do they appear in

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court? What will the charges be? None of that has been singled out.

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They have exquisitely said that they are going to try to find out who did

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it first and work out the legal side as they go along. There are plenty

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of people out there who think this will never end up in a court of law

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and others are more confident. The investigation team said they were

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confident it would end up in a court somewhere. Now we find out where the

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missile comes from and it points to having come over the border from

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Russia. But they did not say if it was on purpose or an accident. How

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high up to the order come? Those crucial questions are still to come.

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Earlier I played a clip from a Russian spokesperson saying that you

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cannot make these accusations about sharing proof. Is there no proof in

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the report? There is plenty but some of it is secret. They say the

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Americans have shared secret stuff but they cannot put it out. They

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also said that the Russians have still to get back to them on various

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things they have asked for, like basic radar data. They are accusing

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the Russians of not answering all of their questions. We have heard a lot

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from Russia and the investigation has gone along. They have been

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vociferously against it. Initially they said it was a Ukrainian

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aircraft that brought down and then they said it was Ukrainians their

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side. They are saying different things all along. It is not

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surprising that they have reiterated that. It was Ukrainians, not the

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rebels and not us. In many ways, this is a tragic one-off. Has it

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changed the airline industry in any particular way? Probably not. They

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still fly over dangerous areas. If you look at maps, would be surprised

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that some of the countries people fly over. It is about the heights.

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In the Ukraine they were not supposed to fly below 26,000 feet.

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Above that height, it was meant to be safer. 160 ordinary planes went

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over that route on the same day. It was deemed to be a safe route and

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nobody thought a missile could get that high. But we still fly high

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zones deemed to be safer. It is down to the country to say whether it is

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safe and the airlines will listen to that advice and their own

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government. Safety, they always say, is that first. No-one is wanting a

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repeat of this. But he would be surprised, to see the countries you

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flyover perfectly safety, some of them are very troubled countries. In

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the last hour we have had details of a school shooting in the US. These

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are some of the pictures that we have. A feed showing an elementary

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school in South Carolina. That is where the shooting is taken place.

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The gunman is in custody. This is the local sheriff speaking earlier.

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We have one sugar in custody. We have 300, two students that have

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been taken to the paediatric trauma centre. And we have one teacher that

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has been taken in the Lima to hospital. We do not know the extent

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of their injuries. We're trying to put together the facts. We have

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searched the school. Our squad team has been engaged. We do not know

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about any other shooters and everything appears safer.

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We have taken the students to a nearby church and the district force

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have put out a text message alert that that is where the kids are. All

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the kids are safe and we will be providing relevant information from

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our emergency operations centre in a couple of hours. More information on

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that as and when we get it. Now this is the Justice Against Sponsors of

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Terrorism Act. It was introduced last year by the US Senate and the

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house. It will allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

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But last month President Obama vetoed it. Well, now the Senate and

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the house have again backed it, overriding the presidential veto.

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Here is one Democrat talking before the vote.

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I heard my colleagues -- I urge my colleagues to move swiftly and

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soundly to reverse this veto. So that these families can have their

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day in court. That is what the legal system in this country is designed

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to do. These families will never get back their loved ones. But they

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deserve justice. The White House is unimpressed. They

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have said, this is the single most embarrassing this US Senate has done

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since 1983. And the CIA has concerns. Its director said:

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Let's bring in Barbara Plett usher in Washington, who has been covering

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this. But this in some context for us. How

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often do both houses pushback at a presidential veto? It is not unusual

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for there to be a veto override coming to the end of a President's

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term. This Congress is deeply polarised, so it is quite unusual

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for there to be joint action on this. And then more than two thirds

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in both houses, and overwhelming vote. So why is there such a divide

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between the Democratic president and the house and the Senate Democrats?

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It is a 9/11 thing. The lawmakers have sympathy for the victims of the

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families and the victims of 9/11. There is a general feeling that they

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deserve a day in court and they should be able to take the Saudis to

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court. If the Saudis are guilty, they should be able to be

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prosecuted. That is the general thing. And it has been able to move

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through more easily now because there is more of an open questioning

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about the alliance with Saudi Arabia. Not that the alliance is in

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danger but lawmakers are more willing to ask questions about

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elements of it, so I think that has contributed. And you were explained

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earlier that the president has now comeback at this stage. How quickly

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might families be able to take legal action? Well, they have tried before

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to sue the Saudi government, and they have been stopped because

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foreign governments had immunity from prosecution. Now the Saudi

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government would not have immunity so they are going to try again. The

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9/11 commission found that there was no evidence that any senior Saudi

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officials were complicit in the attack. But the suspicion has

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remained that lower-level operatives might have been. And that kind of

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evidence related to that will be brought to court. There is also a

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bigger financing issue. The attack took place at a time when Islamic

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charities were funnelling money to extremists and many of these

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charities did have connections to the government. The Saudis say that

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they clean that up in the ensuing years but that is a line that the

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families are also pursuing. Thank you, Barbara. Barbara Plett-Usher,

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live from Washington, DC. Next, turning to a story that has been

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given to us by BBC News beat. It is about which, YouTube gaming, and

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more broadly the issue of sexism in online gaming. Twitch is an online

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platform where you can watch games being played and talk to other

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players. It has 100 million users, and it is thought that YouTube

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Gaming could have doubled that. Both have been restating their commitment

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to take on the issue of sexist abuse in response to a BBC investigation.

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It has documented these kinds of experiences. The most common is

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probably name calling. They will call you anything from a bitch to a

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slide. Something that does not really mean anything, anything they

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can think of and type. Nothing personal. It is very easy to ban

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trolls so they do not come back but the more difficult ones are when

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they come back with a new account. And they say more things and start

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messaging you on other social media, like Twitter or Instagram or even on

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your console. You can only ban so much but when they going to your

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viewers and your mods and the people that support you, they do not want

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to see that. So when they are getting harassed, and it is not just

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in a day, this is a good few months. And it is not them saying, Candi

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Lashes, tell her I'm going to come to her house and kill her and her

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family. That is more extreme. Lot of you watching will play online games

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and I wonder if you have seen these issues. YouTube has responded,

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saying: Stefan Powell from BBC News beat has

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been working on the story and came by earlier. It is around the system

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that is in place. Twitch have said that they are trying to come up with

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new, fancy technology to look at the intention of somebody's message.

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YouTube has taken this, too, saying that they are trying to show diverse

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faces on the channel. There is a lot of that they are trying to do and

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they say they are frustrated by the pace of change but they are doing

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the best they can. Whether that is enough for some of the people being

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affected, it is difficult for them, I suppose. You can find sexism and

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misogyny everywhere online. Is there a particular problem with gaming?

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That is true. It is a point the trade bodies have made. This is an

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issue that is societywide. There is a shared responsibility to tackle

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it. Some say that gaming is a particular problem because it is in

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the middle of changing generations from something that was a niche

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activity to something that everybody does and that might be a reason why

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it is particularly happening in gaming but it is fair to say that it

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happens in other areas like film and sport and music. It would be

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understandable that this puts women off online gaming. Is that borne out

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by the numbers? There are 20 million people who game in the UK and 42%

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are women. That is more than it was traditionally. We see more faces on

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channels like twitch and YouTube, hosts who game like candy, and share

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their experiences. More people do that. Some of the people we have

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spoken to at Which, one of their wrappers and steps was telling us

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that by having a diversification of faces on channels, it will only

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encourage more women to get involved. Thanks to Stephan for

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that. If you want more on the story, put Newsbeat and online gaming into

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any search engine and you will find it. Generally bone is going to be

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alive to talk to us shortly about a couple of stories in the Middle

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East. -- Jeremy Bowen. And Rory Cellan-Jones will be talking about

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BlackBerries, because they are not going to be making smartphones for

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very much longer. Junior doctors in England have lost

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a legal challenge in the High Court to stop a new contract. A group

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called Justice for Health had argued that the contract was unsustainable

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and unsafe. The Department of Health has welcomed the decision and urged

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the BMA to remove all threat of further industrial action. Keep them

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as more on the development in a long-running dispute. On all counts,

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that were put forward by the junior doctors and lawyers, the judges

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ruled in favour of the Health Secretary saying that he has acted

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lawfully. He had acted rationally. And there were no causes, if you

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like, for a challenge to the way he went about things. Although justice

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for health have noted that it became clear that actually the government

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does not have the power to impose a contract because it has individual

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contracts with the trusts. The government has argued that Jeremy

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Hunt said he was not going to impose it but he wanted it to be adopted. I

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am seconds in the BBC newsroom and this is Outside Source. Our lead

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story as prosecutors investigating the shooting down of an aeroplane

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over eastern Ukraine in 2014 say that the missile launched was from a

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Russian vehicle. BBC Arabic is reporting that the US is threatening

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to suspend all Syria related contact with Russia. If Russia does not take

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immediate action to prevent the assaults on a level. Activists claim

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that two major trauma hospitals have been targeted. Authorities on the

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Indonesian island of Lombok are tempting to locate hundreds of

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terrorists thought to be hiking near a volcano that erupted on Tuesday.

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No injuries have been reported among those who have already been

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contacted. And a lot of you have been watching this video of Tom

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Hanks interrupting two newlyweds in Central Park in New York. He was out

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for a jog and they were celebrating and the three of them got together.

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You can see the video on the BBC newsroom. I want to talk about an

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important announcement by Opec, the organisation which represents oil

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producing countries. And it is about to reduce oil output to around 32.5

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million barrels a day. That is a drop of 1 million barrels. This is

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very significant because for a long while the oil prices have been going

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down and down. They rallied slightly during this year but in the broader

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context, they are still very low. Opec has resisted reducing

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production in an effort to push these prices back up. The

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questionnaires, what has now changed? Let's bring in Samir

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Hussein. Why the change? So, these are preliminary reports suggesting

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that Opec has come to some sort of an agreement. If you look at the way

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that oil is trading, it is 5% in the markets. And they are all trading

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higher on the news. So to your question, what has changed? For a

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long time Opec and mainly one of the biggest countries producing oil,

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Saudi Arabia, have been saying we are just going to let the supply and

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demand work itself out. They saw that the price of oil was plunging.

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It used to be trading in the hundred dollar range and now it has been

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trading around 40 or $50. But they always believed that it would work

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itself out. What they didn't realise is the role that the United States

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would play in this in terms of their contribution to oil with shale gas.

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And that has actually been surprisingly resilient. As a result

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it seems that Opec have been pushed into a situation where they had to

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make some sort of decision but to be clear, no one really expected

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anything to come out of this meeting. We're going down to 32.5

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million barrels, down 1 million. Is that a big cut, medium-sized? Help

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us out. It is significant, if not for the number of barrels but for

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what it singles. We have talked about the price of oil for so many

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weeks, summoning months. And just the kind of pressure that we see on

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oil markets, not just oil markets but look at other companies. Exxon

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would be one company, Caterpillar is another. It is very impacted by the

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price of oil. It has one of these knock-on effects. This use is really

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significant. Similarly saying, thank you. Talking about a subject we keep

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coming back to, let's talk about Deutsche Bank. It is Germany's

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biggest bank and it is having a difficult week with shares

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plummeting. They have rallied to some degree but the bank have had to

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deny that it may need a government bailout. Not that that looks like an

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option. Germany's Finance Minister has said for one -- has said: From

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one bank to another, we talked about Wells Fargo a few days ago. Its CEO

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was heavily criticised by Senators over a fraud where 2 million e-mail

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accounts were treated, and customers were never told. This was to do with

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hitting sales targets. He has been hanging onto his job but he will

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also be hanging onto $40 million worth of equity -- he will not be

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hanging onto $40 million worth of equity, which he will be handing

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back, and he will not get a 2016 bonus. Janet Yellen has also been

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asked about the scandal and here is the exchange she was involved in. We

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will hold the largest organisations to exceptionally high standards. Of

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rich management, internal controls, consumer protection, and we

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expect... -- of risk management. But if Wells Fargo was broken up then

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instead of holding them up to those really high standards, able could

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choose which financial institution to go with and they would not pose a

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systemic risk. By saying you were holding giant institutions up to

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standards, something you have not been able to do 2 million times, 2

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million fully accounts, you are saying you are just going to

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continue to do a great job of regulating too big to fail, because

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you will not break them up? We believe it is impossible even though

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that it is possible, even though it is extremely challenging for

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organisations... 2 million fully accounts not detected by the

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regulator. Break them up. -- phoney accounts. Blackberry is going to

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stop making phones. This is what you see when you go to their website

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today. You can put this down as a change in tax. Software is the new

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BlackBerry. No great surprise, they have been far behind Apple and

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Samsung. Here is Rory Cellan-Jones with more details. BlackBerry's

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Chief Executive said some months ago if by September we're not making

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money from handsets, we will stop doing it. And they are not going to

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make more handsets under their own guidance. It is opening up the

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possibility that it may get other companies to do that from time to

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time, but basically this is the end of an era. This is blackberry

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saying, we're no longer a hardware company and it is going to be all

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about software. Their website today says BlackBerry is software. And we

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have seen other big companies like IBM and HP also shift corporate

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emphasis from hardware to software. Is this a broader pattern within the

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industry? I think this is particularly about the earthquake

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that is happening in the mobile phone industry over the last ten

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years. It all dates back to 2007 when Apple arrived from nowhere with

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the iPhone. That changed everything. Blackberry has basically been dead

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as a hardware manufacturer for a couple of years and it is now

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acknowledging that fact. Nonetheless, we should pause and

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acknowledge the importance of the blackberry in the history of mobile

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technology. There was a time when it was king. Absolutely. This was the

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device that showed people that mobile phones and mobile devices

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could be about more than just making calls. You could do e-mail on the

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move. It was an extraordinary status symbol, the ultimate yuppie device.

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It was very popular on Wall Street. It showed that you had got somewhere

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in investment banking if you had one. But its time has now come to an

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end. I cannot believe you have not got one here to show me. I did ask

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around the office. One person had one but she has gone home. And that

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is it, really. Thanks very much to Rory for that. I saw a great tweet

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on this from our tech correspondent. He says:

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That is one of you who are -- that is one for those of you who have

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been connoisseurs of English football. To be kind to win Bridge,

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it was not likely he would play for England again when he announced he

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was retiring. Over the next half hour, this is Sam Allardyce, the man

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who was England's football manager until last night. Not any more. We

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have a fresh report on how that story is developing. Any moment now

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Jeremy Bowen will arrive here to talk about Shimon Peres and his

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contribution to Israel and the Middle East. Any questions you have

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for Jeremy, not just about Shimon Peres but also about his recent trip

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to Aleppo, you're welcome to us now, using the hashtag #BBCOS. Speak to

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you in a minute. Good evening. Southern Australia,

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the entire state was left without power for a time on

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