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Tonight: The Bank of England steps into the debate over currency in an

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independent Scotland. Governor Mark Carney reveals his

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bank IS making plans in the event of a referendum yes vote, and says

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stability will continue, whatever happens.

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day, the First Minister, Alex Salmond, is here to answer

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Also on the programme, Scotland's jobless

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figure is in freefall, as the number of people in work reaches a record

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high. Who's right on disability welfare?

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The SNP say a hundred thousand will lose benefits under UK-wide reform,

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but Westminster says the system needed to change.

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Locals say they're horrified after a triple theft at one of Orkney's most

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famous and sacred landmarks. And the referees union say they hope

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to avoid a strike in a dispute over pay.

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Good Evening. The Governor of the Bank England has confirmed that it

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does have a contingency plan in the event of a yes vote in the

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referendum. Mark Carney refused to reveal what the plans are but said

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the Bank would continue to maintain stability in the banking system

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whatever the result. I'll be speaking to the First Minister Alex

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Salmond about that in a moment, but first, here's our Economics

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It is the job of the Bank of England to make us feel assured. We do have

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contingency plans. The announcement confirmed what most people expected

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that the bank is making contingency plans in case that is a yes vote in

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September. What the bank of England is trying to do is make sure that

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nobody panics and either side of the border if there is a yes foot in

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September. They are worried people might withdraw their money if there

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is a yes vote while the ghost sessions take place. We know that a

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currency union will not happen and it will not be agreed by the rest of

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the United Kingdom let alone work for Scotland. Scotland would have

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less economic freedom and less economic sovereignty and less

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ability to affect our own destiny than we have at the moment. For a

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period after the referendum we set out for an 18 month period. In that

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period Scotland will remain part of the United Kingdom and the Bank of

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England will have the responsibility for that sovereignty. The

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announcement from the Bank of England today strikes a different

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tone to what the government in the UK have been saying. Is it not a bit

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strange that the governor of the Bank of England I'm making

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contingency plans and you are not? What he has said today is very

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helpful and shows he is hoping to ensure financial stability and what

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a contrast to the views of the Westminster parties. He has also yet

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again corrected idea that he was against a currency union. He will

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implement what ever disagreed. We should also look at what is causing

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the instability which is the adamant refusal of the Westminster parties

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to countenance a currency union which is the preferred option of

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most of the Scottish people. To be fair, that is your opinion. A survey

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yesterday showed it was the vast majority of Scottish people believe

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that is what will happen following a yes vote. Well done to Mark Carney

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for doing this. This evening for major financial institutions have

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told the BBC that they fear what they call deposit from Scottish

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banks in the aftermath of yes vote. Why is Mark Carney having to steady

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the horses when you are not? He is doing what he should do in his job.

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The fear of deposit flight is caused by financial rescue where a currency

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other than sterling would be used. Where I think it would be useful for

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us to clarify and for the debate to be clarified is that the Westminster

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parties are not stop Scotland using the pound. That is our currency.

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They are trying to stop us having access to the Bank of England. It is

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a shared asset and the nationalised in 1946 which holds about 27% of the

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vast debts. That is a financial asset and they cannot claim all of

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it without taking responsibility for the financial liability of the debt

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and is that message gets across, not just the responsibility of

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incredible nature of the Westminster party and their incredible position

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on the matter. The idea that they would damage the economy of England

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and take on all of the national debt by refusing to give us access to the

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assets is an incredible position. That is a position which is

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irresponsible and they should stop now. Let us assume that the other

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parties are bluffing and that is monetary union. The Bank of England

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with those assets will be running the Scottish economy. That is not

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independence. The Bank of England is independent of government policy. It

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sets interest rates which the government does not do. We have

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published plans to increase spending by 3% rather than the Westminster

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plans which are 1%. That is the sort of policy that will help us save and

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invest in our health service. It will look after the majority but not

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the people who live in Scotland. It will determine interest rates for

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them and not for us. Why should it if we are independent? That is the

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financial policy setting interest rates. We will control 100% of our

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fiscal policy. That will govern our spending as opposed to having it

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dictated to us as it is at the current time by Westminster. The

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difference between the Scottish able to able to decide to invest in a

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National Health Service or alternatively be at the mercy of the

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privatisation agenda with a cap backs -- cutbacks which I propose.

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-- which are proposed. Nicola Sturgeon said that many people are

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in danger of losing their benefits. Is that not Project Fear? Spending

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on the health service in England has been going up. You know that as well

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as I do. The Labour Party in England say that is a huge privatisation

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agenda. You always agree with the Labour Party? No, but we can see the

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disintegration and fragmentation that has happened which is designed

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to reduce spending on the health service. For every ?10 spent in

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England, Scotland gets ?1. If you reduce the health service in

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England, there is a knock on consequence in Scotland. We say to

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reinforce that, there should be constitutional protection which

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would build that into the new constitution. The United Kingdom

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does not have a written constitution. We want a written

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constitution that gives a constitutional guarantee for the

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health service on the night Bevan principle. --Nye Bevan. You have

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been proposing more money in people 's pockets. Would it not have been

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more honest to say that independence is risky and will be a lot of

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negotiation. It might not be a straightforward proposal. It might

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even cost a bit more and taxes might have to go up in the short-term.

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Would that not have been more honest to say, if independence was that

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important? A week or two ago I made a speech saying that we would not

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promise that would be free taps with whiskey, oil and water in every

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Scottish household. We would not promise that would be free taps with

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whiskey, oil and water in every Scottish household. We're saying

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that by taking charge of our financial destiny, over a period of

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time working together by investing in the right things, we can marshal

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resources in this country with the fantastic people assets in this

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country and build a more prosperous and more just society. We do not say

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that will happen overnight but you are far more likely to end up of the

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public health service free at the point of need, available for older

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people, if that is what you want to do. But that is not under threat

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anywhere. I disagree. I think the privatisation agenda site of the

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border is destroying the health service. The health service here

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sends people to private hospitals. Our objective is not to reduce

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expenditure on the public health service and we feel we stay in the

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present system, matters south of the border will affect Scotland. We want

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to ensure that our public health service remains free at the point of

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provision as is -- and is guaranteed. You have had one major

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debate with Alistair Darling. The consensus was that she hadn't maybe

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not performed as well as you could perform. Do you feel you did as well

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as you could have? I adopted a tone which I hope is more conversational

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in terms of expanding issues and I would like to have more time as we

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have had tonight to explain why we cannot be stopped from using our

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currency and the various options that were laid out in the White

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Paper. We will have lots more opportunities and you can be

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absolutely certain that the yes campaign in general and myself in

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particular are up for it. And on tomorrow night's programme

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we'll hear from the other side of the debate - Alistair Darling will

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be here in the studio for a live interview. And if you'd like more on

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the referendum, then tune in to Radio Scotland on medium wave or

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digital at 11 for Referendum Tonight, or head online to

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bbc.co.uk/scotlanddecides. You're watching Reporting Scotland

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from the BBC. Still to come on In sport: Could Scotland's football

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refs be about to strike again. And Scotland's silver track stars are

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into the semis of the European Scotland has reached a record high.

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The latest official figures show employment is up by over 60,000 in

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the year and unemployment has fallen too. Here's our business

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correspondent, David Henderson. At this Jobcentre in Glasgow this

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morning staff were helping match job-seekers

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with vacancies. in new call centre jobs and in

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hotels and restaurants. In recent months the economy has shown signs

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of recovery so employers have been taking on new staff, and here, they

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have noticed a rise in the number of available. The number of people in

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Scotland who are out of work and looking for a job has fallen this

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month, to 176,000 and, at the same time the workforce has risen again

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by 9000 to a record high. So the Scottish unemployment rate is now

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6.4%, the same as for the UK. Staff at the Jobcentre have noticed that

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some employers seem more confident During

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the recession part-time and temporary vacancies increased but

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certainly we are seeing that trend turn around and more and more

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vacancies coming on are permanent and full-time. There are still

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part-time vacancies, it suits a lot people. The jobs market is fluid,

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like this when shop in Barrhead. Peter Rosenthal is one of a record

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number of self-employed Scottish people, the tops up his work here

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with wine-tasting classes and consultancy work. Coming from a

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background where I had a job that gave me an income every single

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month, the mortgage would be paid, you knew that, that transition to

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being in a work position where if the work is not covered,you don't

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get paid, the mortgage does not get paid. Some of the new jobs we have

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seen may be seasonal because of the Commonwealth Games but long-term

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the outlook is good. More than 100,000 people in Scotland

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will lose disability benefits under UK-wide welfare changes, according

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to new analysis by the Scottish Government. The deputy First

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Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, says the cuts are "simply wrong". But UK

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ministers say the old system needed reform. Here's our political

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correspondent, Glenn Campbell. as a blind person, he also suffers

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from heart disease, diabetes and

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depression. Most people feel vulnerable and the

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disabled person and we feel bad that we are being

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branded as, you know, scroungers or a burden to society. And that is

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what it feels like. That you have now become a burden to society

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because we are in a recession. It is no fault of disabled people. He is

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one of 190,000 people who receive disability living allowance at the

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moment. By 2018 the Scottish Government estimates that more than

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half of them will lose at least The benefits are

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being phased out and replaced by the personal independence payment. The

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cuts that are being implemented are hitting very hard some of the most

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vulnerable disabled people, they have been disproportionately hit by

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these cuts. don't seem to care much about the

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impact of these cuts. But visiting an ice cream shop in Dundee, the

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Scottish Secretary claimed SNP ministers were not guaranteeing a

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sweeter deal to those on benefits. The Scottish Government see that

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there is a need for welfare reform. What they never do is tell us how

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that should be done. And unless and until they come forward with

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proposals, they are frankly criticising and it looks like cheap

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exploitation of people's legitimate fear. The

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Scottish Government argue that a vote for independence would help us

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stop the shift away from the disability living allowance and the

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zany fear and wealthier system but those who want Scotland to stay

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within the union say that social protection is better organised

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across the UK, drawing on the tax contributions from a much larger

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economy. The were at Ibrox after a

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46-year-old man was too loosely injured in attack.

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--The police were called after a 46-year-old man was

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Tickets for the 50th birthday party of the Forth Road Bridge will go on

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general sale on Friday. There will be a torchlight procession on

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September the 13th. There will be bands playing and a firework

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display. Thieves have caused outrage

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in Orkney, after stealing artefacts Three wooden plaques representing

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the Stations of the Cross have been removed from the former Nissen hut -

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which was converted into a place of worship by prisoners

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of war during the Second World War. This modest building was given a

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special blessing earlier in the year. Today it was not mass but

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fingerprints that were being taken. It was hit by vandals back in June.

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Three wooden plaques representing the Stations of the Cross have been

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removed from the former Nissen hut - which was converted into a place

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of worship by prisoners of war, during the Second World War.

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They portray incidents in Christ's journey to the cross.

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The wartime chapel is the most popular tourist attraction

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in Orkney with more than 100,000 visitors a year.

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The 14 plaques were a gift from the chapel's creator Domenico

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Police have appealed to the public for help in tracing the artefacts.

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Additional security would come at a cost and not just a monetary one. It

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would change the atmosphere entirely in here. It is a place which is open

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for the public to admire and it would give a different atmosphere

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altogether. Securing the chapel while maintaining its simplicity is

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a major challenge. Former top referee Stuart Dougal

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says current officials should be paid more for taking charge

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of Championship matches involving Rangers, Hearts and Hibs to avoid

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the threat of strike action. Refs are disgruntled that these

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high profile matches pay ?645 Four years ago they went

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on strike when their integrity was called into question - this time

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their grievance is over wages. Referees taking charge of

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championship matches receive a different amount to those taking

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charge of other games. The spoils for the victors will probably be

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greater because it will be a passport into the Premier League. We

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should get our Premier League wage for doing Premier League matches.

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Will the referees strike? I do not think that will happen but we need

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to sit down together. The chairman of the Scottish cup Max senior

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Football Referees Association issued this statement. --Scottish Senior

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Football Referees Association. We'll know within 24 hours if Celtic

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are to remain in the Champions League qualifiers. Legia Warsaw's

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appeal against Celtic's reinstatement in the competition at

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the Polish club's expense was heard this morning. Legia were punished

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for bringing on a substitute, who was ineligible, in the second leg of

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their tie against the Scottish champions.

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Celtic begin the defence of their premiership title tonight away to St

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Johnstone. There's coverage of that and tonight's five other premiership

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matches on BBC Radio Scotland 810 medium wave on line and on digital.

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The show is on air now. Hibernian's owner Sir Tom Farmer has

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turned down a take-ever bid came from a consortium headed

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by financial adviser David Low. Hibs say accepting

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the bid was not was not Scotland's two track silver medal

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winners from Glasgow 2014 are through to the semi finals

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of the European championships. Lynsey Sharp won her eight hundred

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meters heat in Zurich comfortably. through to the semi finals

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of the European championships. Eilidh Child was also first

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in her 400 metres hurdles heat. Andy Murray's through to the third

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round of the Cinncinatti Masters tennis.

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Murray beating the world number 37, Joaw Sousa of Portugal, in straight

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sets this afternoon, six-three, There will still be a breeze

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tomorrow. If you escaped today with a and bright conditions. , those

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showers could well be heavy and there will be brighter skies. You

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will be unlucky if you catch a heavy shower. It will be around 20 degrees

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in the sunshine and the best of the sun is likely around the coastline

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but up towards the far north it will be cloudy with showers and a similar

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story for the Northern Isles that there will be brighter glances at

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times. Those heavy showers continue to work their way down to England so

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the risk of a heavy downpour or two. Friday starts off reasonably dry and

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as we head towards the afternoon some decent dry and bright and sunny

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spells around. This ridge of high pressure is the reason. As we head

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towards the weekend, low-pressure arrives and the weather will return

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in a decidedly unsettled fashion. Saturday will be a breezy day with

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rain across Western and southwestern parts of the country. The further

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east you are the dryer it will be but those unsettled conditions will

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remain through till Sunday. The Governor of the Bank of England,

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Mark Carney, said he has a contingency plan for a yes vote.

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Alex Salmond on this programme welcomed this.

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And that's Reporting Scotland. You can watch tonight's interview with

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the First Minister on our website - and on tomorrow night's programme

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