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Westminster unites in an attempt to preserve the union.

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The three main London party leaders travel to Scotland, lead

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by the Prime Minister, who made an impassioned plea to voters But the

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I care more about my country than I do about my party.

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Alex Salmond says London-based politicians are

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so despised here they're just helping the cause of independence.

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What to seeing today is team Westminster, jetting up to Scotland

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for the, because they are scared. I'll be interviewing the

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First Minister here in the studio. Meanwhile,

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ill-tempered scenes on the stump. Labour's former big hitter

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John Prescott finds himself in a campaign melee, as he arrives

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here with criticisms of both sides. We'll hear how

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the referendum debate is playing out And in other news, golf's Ryder Cup

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trophy touches down in Gleneagles The Prime Minister has made

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an emotional appeal ahead Speaking in Edinburgh,

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David Cameron said he would be "heartbroken" if the vote results in

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the UK being "torn apart". David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick

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Clegg all abandoned Westminster for The First Minister claimed what he

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described as the "panicked" last minute visit by the

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three leaders would only serve to And Alex Salmond characterised

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today's campaigning as "Team This from our political editor

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Brian Taylor. Was this a business trip for the

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Prime Minister? Certainly, he linked economics with independence, and

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argued that pensions were more securely funded by the entire UK,

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but speaking in an Edinburgh finance house, this felt more like Annie

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Morley and visit to a close but disquieted relative. This, said

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Cameron, with about family. Even if it may suit the Tories to dispense

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of Scotland. Sometimes people ask me why I feel so strongly about it.

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Here you are, coming to Scotland, a Tory leader with one member of

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Scotland. Wouldn't you be able to get a majority more easily if

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Scotland was to separate itself from the United Kingdom, and my answer to

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that is that I care far more about my country than I do about my party.

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He said this choice was not transient, but permanent. I think

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people can feel it is a little like a general election, that you make a

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decision and five years later you can make another decision if you are

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fed up with the decision. This is totally different. He forecast that

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an independent organ might struggle to gain EU membership and promised

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more powers for Scotland. The pitch was personal. He would work with an

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independent Scotland, but didn't welcome the prospect. I would be

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heartbroken if this family of nations was torn apart. We care

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about it because we believe, all of us, wherever we are from, these

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islands are home. In a community hall in Cumbernauld, Ed Miliband

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pleaded for the union, while stressing that Labour would seek to

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oust David Cameron from Downing Street. Mr Miller than's appeal was

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also personal, recalling that his parents had come to Britain as

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refugees from the Nazis. I want to make the case to you today, head,

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heart and soul. We are stronger staying together, because we can

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better create a more equal and more just society. I want to make the

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case to you from the heart, because of the ties that bind us together,

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and which would be broken apart by separatism. I want to make the case

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to you from the soul, because it was in holes like this but our movement

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was formed on the basis of solidarity. The choice is yes and

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no. In Selkirk, Nick Clegg had both options yelled in his ear during a

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rowdy welcome. He stressed the permanence of that choice. It is a

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momentous decision. It is not a decision you can and do tomorrow. It

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is a decision which will last for ever, and that is why it is so

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important. They are political rivals, they will contest each other

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next year at the UK general election, but today, they were all

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backing the union. The First Minister, Alex Salmond,

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claimed to be leading Team Scotland against Team Westminster today

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when he brought together the different strands of the Yes

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campaign in Edinburgh. Our political correspondent,

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Glenn Campbell, was there. This was the United front from the

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Yes campaign. Alex Salmond, campaigning with socialists and

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greens as well as the SNP, standing shoulder to shoulder with his

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one-time deputy Jim Sillars, who has won -- who has been one of his

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harshest critics. Mr Salmond leading Team Scotland. What we are seeing

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today is team Westminster jetting up to Scotland for the day, because

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they are scared. Our campaign has the key test on jobs. We are looking

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for a powerhouse parliament that can create jobs in Scotland. All team

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Westminster are concerned about is their own jobs. Journalist from home

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and abroad were here today. Among campaigners, a sense that the UK

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party leaders would struggle to stall the momentum that this

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campaign appears to have. The days of them coming up a day trip and

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telling us what to do all gone. We want the pattern any more. -- we

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want to be patronised any more. We are not having it any more. Scotland

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still describes itself as the underdog in this referendum, with

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only one Paul having suggest that they may have edged ahead, but they

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are starting to believe that they can't lose. They are desperate, and

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they are trying everything, but it is too little, too late. I think the

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momentum is now on is now ensemble. The singing didn't stop warnings

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from big business filtering through. Standard Life said it had

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contingency plans to reregister part of its operations to England, if

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Scotland votes for independence. We are at the stage in Scotland where

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people are going to look at scaremongering and shake their heads

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and say, have these people got nothing else to say except for this

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negative doom mongering? Bueller Scotland are looking forward to a

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more prosperous society. Achieving that Parliament is the one goal at

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these old rivals definitely share. Jim Sillars confirmed that he will

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return to the campaign trail later. Vote yes, and never, ever again at

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will and English Conservative Prime Minister take control of our country

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of Scotland. Today was not a artificial stunt. Alex and I are

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united, and so is Nicola, and so are the Greens and the Socialists, and

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my campaign, we are all united towards getting that yes vote. The

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Yes campaign have been buoyed by opinion polls, suggesting that this

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contest will go right to the wire, and they are going to put all the

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got into trying to win over undecided voters in the final week

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of this campaign. Let's go to Edinbugh and

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our political editor, Brian Taylor. Brian, there's

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a huge economic debate raging. Why then did the UK party leaders

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come north majoring You are right. That debate is

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enormously salient. I guess the concept today is that those who are

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supporting the union reckon they can back that to some extent, they can

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talk it up and reinforce that, but they believe that the vote may be

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going slightly like that, towards it, given that they have heard it

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for quite some time. They feel that if you add the interest of the

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emotional perspective, but of course you have those warnings from

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Standard Life and other financial companies. About the limited oil

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reserves that he believes are there. And the Governor of the Bank of

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England talking about the extent of reserves that Scott and would need

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in order to use sterling. You have all the arguments counterbalancing

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that, but today you have getting to the heart, the gut, the prospective

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whereby the UK leaders are arguing that they are offering far more than

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simply a financial balance sheet, they are offering the retention of

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the union. Brian, Alex Salmond predicted that the visit would

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backfire, did it? That is up to the voters. We will learn on September

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the 18th. The supporters of the union, particularly those who are

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around the leadership, are getting exasperated with what they see as Mr

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Salmond's refusal to engage in those questions coming from Standard Life

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and the pensions fund, and those in the North Sea sectors, they are

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exasperated by that. I think they will have to get used to more Furia

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exasperation. I don't see the Yes campaign addressing that directly.

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If you like, from their perspective, that would be talking about an

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agenda that Google may seek to challenge them. I think Alex Salmond

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will argue that they have addressed these questions. They say they have

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already addressed them and the point now is about the joys of the

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Scottish people and the argument you are hearing from the Nationalists is

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that on September the 18th and people of Scotland will potentially

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have full sovereignty in their hands, and they can choose to retain

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it ought to share it again. Investors and asset managers have

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withdrawn hundreds of millions of pounds from Scotland because

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of uncertainty around next week's referendum, according to financial

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services company. Meanwhile the savings giant

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Standard Life has said it may transfer parts of its business out

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of Scotland if there's a yes vote. Our correspondent David Henderson

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can tell us more. Tellers about the movement of money.

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People who manage money tend not to like

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And as this campaign intensifies, we're seeing quite a bit of that.

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So some investors and businesses are taking decisions

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to protect themselves from what they see as risk.

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So one company, Multrees Investor Services, said today it's helped

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move hundreds of millions of pounds out of Scotland for a

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They tell me this has been going on over the last nine months.

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But a spokesman for the trade body for the financial industry

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in Scotland was playing this down when he spoke to us earlier.

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Standard Life have repeated warning their that they

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Well, they said this in the spring, now they're repeating it largely to

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reassure the majority of their customers who are in England.

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Standard Life are not natural Yes campaigners.

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They oppose independence and opposed Scottish devolution.

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90 percent of their business is outside Scotland.

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And they say for those customers, they want to ensure that whatever

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happens in the referendum, they'll continue to trade

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in sterling, they want the current UK tax regime to apply to them,

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and they want City regulators to protect those investments.

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In response, the First Minister told us this is scare-mongering.

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He said the company's investing in a multi-million pound property

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There were ill-tempered scenes and a few scuffles elsewhere

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on the campaign trail today when Lord Prescott arrived

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He is one of the no campaign's so called big hitters but received

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a noisy welcome as he sought to appeal to wavering Labour voters.

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Our political correspondent Tim Reid was there.

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uncertainty the two faces of this debate. That was even before the No

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campaign's battle bus rolled into Rutherglen this morning. Lord

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Prescott has seem worse, and simply carried on today. With eight days to

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go, feelings are running high. I am here to talk to Labour voters. 30

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pieces of silver. I will give you 30 pieces of silver if you will shut

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up. The media scrum which met the politician it shows that his

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presence was important for the No campaign, to try to dissuade Labour

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supporters from voting yes. Despite today's prounion party union, he

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couldn't help but turned his fire on the Conservatives. You have always

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been labour, and you are unhappy, and I do see all those values that

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have contributed to a prosperous country, one that believes in social

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justice, never came from conservatives. But the customer is

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not always right or convincing. I am still undecided at the moment. I

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have a small business, so I have to look at every aspect. Today's's

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scenes not as bad as these in the past. We are a peaceful country. We

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don't want nuclear weapons, we don't want food banks, and we don't want

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to be ruled by the English. The silent majority. Not very silent

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today. Today's scenes illustrate just how divided the nation is on

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this crucial question. As the campaign rolls on, the capture

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continues to rise. -- the temperature.

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Joining me is the First Minister, Alex Salmond.

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It's calling them team Westminster... Is that a way of

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maintaining a strong and enduring friendship? Well, this is about the

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campaign to date, and what happened today was that the three Westminster

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leaders came up here in a panic, suspending Prime Minister's

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Questions, and wanted to dominate the agenda. Our campaign has always

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been a grassroots campaign. A debate can take place very fairly on that

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perspective. That doesn't alter the fact that, consistently through this

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campaign, we want to build a constructive partnership after the

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vote with our friends and neighbours after the vote. But why: Team

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Westminster, and say that the people of Scotland hold both leaders in

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contempt? That was the argument in the context of the day. There is no

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doubt that they are Westminster leaders. They came not from

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Westminster today. But was against the grassroots campaign of the Yes

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campaign. Which encompassed everyone from the Scottish Greens to

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businesses of the nations. That is the grassroots campaign of Team

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Scotland, and it is legitimate to say that it was up against team

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Westminster, the Westminster leaders of the No campaign. That was a

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legitimate thing to say in the context of the debate. You said that

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they were afraid. Why did you travel down to Carlisle on St George's Day

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to campaign there? Were you panicked? I have been making

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speeches across a range of areas, also in Newcastle and Liverpool, but

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with eight few days to go before the vote, I wouldn't cancel my own

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duties to rush down to England. It was the No campaign who said that

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everything should be left to their Scottish colleagues, and the

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Westminster leaders were leading it to their Scottish colleagues, and

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they have now changed tactic. We saw the living embodiment of panic

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today. Certainly a lot of development is today. Let me recap.

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A warning from Standard Life about moving parts of its business. Oil

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and gas UK saying that there is not as much oil left in the North Sea as

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you say there is. He is saying they will bring no revenue to Scotland by

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2050. David Cameron says that pensions are safer with the UK. It

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is all very well complain about the better together tactics, but you are

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not answering those sort of questions. Well, I will answer them.

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The industry estimate is up to 24 billion barrels of oil remaining. At

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$100 per barrel, that is worth ?1 trillion sterling. That is ?6

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billion per year, which is over ?1000 per head or every man, woman

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and child in Scotland. Even on that cautious estimate, every other

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country in the world would regard that as a tremendous asset. But no

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revenue by 2050? You are basing a country buzz might feature on oil?

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When I first debated this, as an oil economist, the UK Treasury predicted

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that there would be no oil left by the year 2000. In 2014, we are

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stubborn and is in large quantities. They are now seeing 2000. In 2014,

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we are stubborn and is in large quantities. They are now -- many

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people would argue that the potential of hard to reach oil in

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the Central and North Sea, many experts are saying that not for the

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next 35 years or 50 years, but perhaps for the next century, any

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country in the world, even on the most cautious estimate would regard

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that as an enormous resource. Only the No campaign say that oil and gas

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is a curse. The reason that people don't believe it is that they have

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been saying this sort of thing for a long time. Let me move on to this

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movement of money. Standard Life saying that they will move large

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parts of its business down south. There is a difference between the

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registration of the company and moving jobs. I have heard that there

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is a danger of Lloyds living to London. Lloyds has always been based

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in London, but they have a registered office in Edinburgh, and

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there is a big difference, and most people understand that. Martin

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Gilbert, the star company, Aberdeen Asset Management, are declaring that

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an independent Scotland would be a substantial success for the

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financial sector. They are not saying how their voting, but they

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are saying that an independent Holland would be a substantial

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success for the financial sector. -- an independent Scotland. I think

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independence would be good for the financial sector in Scotland, but I

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also think the financial sector in Scotland depends on the skills and

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abilities of the people who work within it. That is what makes it

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prosperous, not weirdly registered offices. What about pensions, then?

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That is one of the most interesting debate in this campaign. The way to

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respond to that is to introduce the measures that will allow our working

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age publishing to be in balance with our pensioners. We can do that in

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two ways, firstly by providing more opportunities for the young people

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of Scotland. And that will fund the pensions? Exactly. All of the

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forecast that the UK are relying on say that Scotland's population will

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be 4% as proposed to 20% across the UK will stop it doesn't have to be

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like that. We can take that future into our own hands, and provide

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implement opportunities to all young people, and also by allowing people

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who we educate from overseas to stay in Scotland, as opposed to taking

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them out of the country, which is what the Westminster government does

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at the present. These demographic challenges are faced by every

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country in Europe, and what independence is about is having the

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ability and the policy mechanisms to rise to that challenge and meet it.

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Can I ask you about health, and this is something you have been talking

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about over the past few weeks, and the threat that without independence

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it will be privatised. If that was that a major worry, why was it not

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mentioned in your White Paper? It has always been an abiding concern.

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The nurses pay award has developed since the White Paper. The

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Westminster government have decided not to award nurses a pay award,

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which is miserly in itself. In Scotland, we decided to make that

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award, to keep faith with our NHS staff. That means we have to find

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?30 million which does not come through the Barnett formula, we have

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to find that as of other budgets, is to support that pay award. Isn't

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that one of the joys of demolition? And why has the SNP government 's

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bent -- spent many nights of pounds sending patients for private

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treatment? The Labour Party in England claim that it is heading to

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20%, but the nurses pay award shows that if spending is reduced by not

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being the nurses in England, it has a knock-on consequence in Scotland.

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The same thing would happen with public expenditure restrictions, or

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by introducing charges, and we cannot keep finding out of other

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budgets, money to support that. It puts the NHS under pressure. We have

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to support both sides of the balance sheet. Our wonderful National Health

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Service can only remain safe in public hands in Scotland, unaffected

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by policies being pursued at Westminster. Finally, after the

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question that I asked Alistair Darling last night, eight few weeks

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ago you were in this Judeo, and you were behind in all of the polls, and

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you are overseas -- were perceived as having lost the last debate, and

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now you have won the last debate, is there a danger that you have peaked

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too soon? Nope. I think that I regard us as the underdogs in this

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campaign. The Westminster campaign will throw everything, probably the

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kitchen sink, at the Scottish people in the next week, but I am confident

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that we have moved beyond scaremongering, and that vision of a

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more prosperous country and a more just society, is a compelling one,

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and absolutely nothing that the No campaign can offer that can rival

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that message from the Yes campaign. Thank you very much.

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And if you missed last night's extended interview with Alistair

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Just head to bbc.co.uk/reportingscotland.

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Right now, though, we can cross to our roving referendum correspondent,

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We are in the courtyard of the Deacon Tim Bray arcs, were three

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undecided voters, who are having a quiet drink have been listening to

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your interview with Mr Salmond. What did you think? I think he made some

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fair points about the oil situation. He had some good argument

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there, that may have swayed me over the Yes campaign. He still didn't

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reassure me about pensions and some of the business points, which may

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push me towards a no vote. If it is really anguished decision for you?

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Definitely. My heart definitely says yes, but my mind and brain signal.

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-- say no. What did you think? I feel the same. My heart says yes,

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but I am not convinced about the future, and the finance situation. I

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think it will be right up to the wire before I make my final

:27:24.:27:26.

decision. There was nothing there that convinced me that I was

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definitely doing the right thing by voting yes. It is such a major

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decision that I reacted take right up to the wire to think about it.

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Will it be something that you will decide in the polling booth? I am

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swayed towards no. That is where I am swing to now. Well, we have one

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swayed towards yes, once way to attain. What about you? I didn't

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really hear anything that would persuade me. I am proud to be

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Scottish, but there are still too many questions about the economy and

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pensions, and oil as well. I am still 50-50, but I don't feel

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persuaded either way. I will decide in the wool incision. -- in the

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polling station. Why do you wish in Venice in your heart? Is it an

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opportunity? -- want independence in your heart? What would swing it for

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you? Pensions, and what will happen to the pound as well. If I can get a

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straight answer on that, that could sway me. Is that the same for you?

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Yes. I don't feel inspired by Alex Salmond. I don't think anyone is

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taking leadership. You thought questions over oil really help to

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make a decision there? I think he made some good points, but as I said

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it is not everything, and at the moment, I am probably still a no. I

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think if the No campaign came forward with some stronger

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arguments, that would definitely push me. I have spent the day

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wandering around the city of discovery, hopefully not falling

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over as I can assure you that we have not had a drink yet, but we

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have been wandering around the city of discovery as people are making

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this important decision. This is a city still shipping its future.

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Traditional manufacturing glazed by the creative, the digital. At

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Aberdeen University -- Abertay University, these students are in

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their first week. This musician fears that independence would put

:30:00.:30:05.

his future in some doubt. It feels like the world is in a state of

:30:06.:30:09.

flux, especially being in a creative industry that is prone to change.

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Others say voting yes is a new opportunity. We are a lot different

:30:18.:30:22.

than the rest of the UK, in terms of vertical, and it would be right

:30:23.:30:27.

until we get our own say. Independence is the only way

:30:28.:30:34.

forward. Dundee has won ten of the UK's digital industry. These artists

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develop versions of mine Kraft. They are undecided on their vote, but

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they know what it will take to make this industry try. Scotland is

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fantastically positioned. Scotland has one of the best education

:30:51.:30:55.

systems in the world. It has always been recognised as excellent in many

:30:56.:30:59.

ways, and developed accordingly, but that is where we have to focus. If

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we can bring more young and fresh talent into this industry, the sky

:31:04.:31:10.

is the limit. But would universities have the funding to develop their

:31:11.:31:14.

talent in an independent Scotland? Some academics believe that

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Scotland's best known in universities would lose funding.

:31:20.:31:25.

This is a city of science, technology and the creative arts,

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and it is thriving. We need to do more to make Dundee better, and it

:31:29.:31:32.

would be silly to risk these parts of our economy at this stage. Those

:31:33.:31:37.

campaigning for a yes vote say that Dundee's creative future is safe in

:31:38.:31:43.

an independent Scotland. We would like to agree a common research

:31:44.:31:46.

area, so that institutions as they do can sell collaborate around

:31:47.:31:49.

research, not just within these islands, but also within Europe as

:31:50.:31:54.

well. The Yes campaign have every reason to look cheerful. Polls

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suggest that thousands in the city will turn out just for them. This

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1's labour heartlands may well vote yes. We are getting very positive

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responses, but it is important how Scotland votes. Just around the

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corner, a former Labour supporter and now famous yes vote rally the

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crowds. I think it is all to play for, and we are playing very well,

:32:28.:32:31.

especially here in Dundee. It is a humbling experience, and it is

:32:32.:32:36.

across the divide, and you see how people have been treated by

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systematic and for them this is hope. A city of discovery and

:32:41.:32:48.

renewal. This time, the future will be shaped by the answer to a 6 word

:32:49.:32:53.

question. We will be back in a few moments, where I will be speaking to

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activists for both sides of the campaigns. Thank you.

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You're watching Reporting Scotland from the BBC.

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Still to come on tonight's programme:

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We'll be in Dundee to hear how the referendum

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And do Scottish companies feel independence would help

:33:08.:33:10.

Administrators for the Ferguson shipyard at Port Glasgow have

:33:11.:33:26.

confirmed the sale of the yard to the businessman Jim McColl's firm,

:33:27.:33:29.

The business went into administration last month with

:33:30.:33:32.

Mr McColl has pledged to quadruple the workforce

:33:33.:33:35.

The firm will be renamed Ferguson Marine Engineering.

:33:36.:33:46.

Renfrewshire Council is calling for more funding for child

:33:47.:33:49.

protection services following the death of Declan Hainey.

:33:50.:33:50.

The toddler's body was found at his Paisley home in March 2010, eight

:33:51.:33:54.

His mother's murder conviction was quashed on appeal.

:33:55.:33:57.

The local authority was one of several agencies criticised over

:33:58.:33:59.

What we have seen with the case of Declan, we all need to do some

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more. The public sector, the government, the public, we all have

:34:17.:34:22.

two walk together to make sure that these lessons are being wailed. --

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learned. Police Scotland is being urged to

:34:27.:34:35.

withdraw a particular type It follows an incident in

:34:36.:34:37.

which a policeman was hurt when It happened at Dumfries

:34:38.:34:42.

divisional headquarters in May. An investigation has found that

:34:43.:34:45.

the holster's design meant the taser's safety catch could

:34:46.:34:47.

become de-activated. Police have said

:34:48.:34:49.

a missing ex-prisoner who is unlawfully at large

:34:50.:34:50.

after having his licence revoked Johnathan Kelly, from the Drumchapel

:34:51.:34:52.

area of Glasgow, was freed from The 33-year-old is described

:34:53.:34:57.

as white, 5ft 9in tall, with short 50 popular dolphin sculptures

:34:58.:35:00.

from a successful art project in Aberdeen are to be auctioned

:35:01.:35:08.

for charity tonight.The Wild Dolphins project saw

:35:09.:35:10.

the decorated fibreglass figures set up across the city at locations

:35:11.:35:12.

including the beach and museums. It ended at the weekend

:35:13.:35:15.

after a 10-week run. The world's first blockbuster novel

:35:16.:35:20.

has gone on show at the National Library in Edinburgh to

:35:21.:35:23.

mark its two hundredth anniversary. The first thousand copies of

:35:24.:35:29.

'Waverley' sold out in two days. The story of the Jacobite '45 Rising

:35:30.:35:34.

was a big success but at first few knew who'd written it as Walter

:35:35.:35:39.

Scott had published it anonymously. Let's get an update on the world of

:35:40.:35:48.

sport now from Rhona. The new manager

:35:49.:35:59.

at Ross County says an attacking style of football will

:36:00.:36:01.

be one of his strategies to reverse Jim McIntyre says a supportive

:36:02.:36:04.

chairman and the freedom to manage as he sees fit, were

:36:05.:36:08.

among his reasons for moving north. County have lost their opening

:36:09.:36:10.

five league matches and currently Taking over a struggling Football

:36:11.:36:22.

Club can be a poisoned chalice, Tom around the fortunes and you only

:36:23.:36:27.

help but feel to alter things and the door of football management will

:36:28.:36:32.

spend once more. But the new men in charge mitten bill as some promise.

:36:33.:36:38.

If you do not start the campaign will, confidence can't eat a dip. We

:36:39.:36:47.

have to give the play some college. -- courage. It is a long campaign

:36:48.:36:56.

and plenty of points to play for. It is going to be a challenge but we

:36:57.:37:03.

are driven, and we will assess today, take a look, everybody will

:37:04.:37:07.

be Devon and opportunity. We will try to get the fast points. That can

:37:08.:37:15.

lead to better results. For support us at the stadium, it was an

:37:16.:37:21.

opportunity to meet the new manager. We have appointed a manager who has

:37:22.:37:28.

apparently great motivational skills and we will get the play-offs

:37:29.:37:34.

playing for them. It will be good to get the player scoring goals, and

:37:35.:37:39.

the supporters behind them. The new management team know they have a job

:37:40.:37:45.

on their hands, model are there on Saturday. -- Motherwell.

:37:46.:37:56.

The Ryder Cup trophy has arrived in Gleneagles ahead of the big showdown

:37:57.:37:59.

A global audience of 700 million will watch Europe defend their title

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against the United States, and as final preparations are made,

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the course manager believes the set up could favour the home side.

:38:06.:38:08.

Travelling in style, the Ryder Cup finishes as tour of Scotland at this

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macro Hotel. -- Gleneagles hotel. It was the conclusion of a ceremony

:38:25.:38:28.

that the zero quite run point clockwork. It is just after ten

:38:29.:38:33.

o'clock and by now, the Ryder Cup should have arrived. But the mist

:38:34.:38:41.

has grounded that the helicopter. Even the best laid plans can fall

:38:42.:38:49.

foul of the weather. Playing golf in these conditions is not possible but

:38:50.:38:56.

organisers are hopeful. We can catch up if we lose some and on Sunday we

:38:57.:39:06.

have four hours available. If we have delays, we can use that.

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Equally relaxed as the course manager. He believes the set-top at

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Gleneagles couldn't favour the European team. -- could. The

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Americans tend to be longer hitters. Europeans can be shorter. 45,000

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spectators will come here every day, the usual landscape will be

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transformed by these stands and marquees. To resolve walk lie ahead,

:39:53.:39:59.

to make sure Gleneagles is ready. Thank you. The independence debate

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may be raging but the sun is shining... What's in store

:40:08.:40:08.

Christopher? 22 degrees in Glasgow today. The

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chart from 7pm... Clear skies tonight. It, 10 Celsius in and

:40:36.:40:49.

cities. -- Eight. Moisture in the air. High pressure continues to stay

:40:50.:40:56.

weather. The mist and fog will quickly left and then on dry,

:40:57.:41:05.

settled day. Once again, as we head towards the middle part of the

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afternoon, it is warm. 19, 20 degrees. Fairly light winds. Thicker

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cloud to the Northern Isles. For the rest of the afternoon, staying

:41:30.:41:36.

settled. Sunshine to enjoy. Looking ahead to the end of the week, more

:41:37.:41:46.

pressure is never too far away. On Friday, more in the way of clouds. I

:41:47.:42:02.

don't, 20 degrees. -- Again. At the weekend, dry and settled. Given some

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sunshine, still feeling warm. Let's head back to Dundee now and our

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referendum correspondent, Laura Bicker.

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One of the interesting things that has been happening are the town hall

:42:27.:42:35.

debates. Brian Cox is attending one tonight. We were in Perth area.

:42:36.:42:54.

Democracy in action. Joining them, a crew from Danish TV. John Swinney

:42:55.:43:04.

was in attendance for the Yes campaign. Trident was injecting some

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passion. We will be part of the NATO lines that we will not have these

:43:20.:43:24.

nuclear weapons. If I am in government than I ask if I sit these

:43:25.:43:33.

fundamental principles, I already accept that principle as a Minister.

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In the mean, the audience listened closely and politely. 1000 people

:43:40.:43:46.

built on it. Why did they come here? What did they get out of it? I

:43:47.:43:52.

wanted to listen to what they had to say. I am concerned. I want to get

:43:53.:44:05.

all the information that I can. What do the politicians make of the

:44:06.:44:14.

turnout? I see emerging where people are coming along, not necessarily to

:44:15.:44:17.

give the arguments to be persuaded, most people have made their minds

:44:18.:44:22.

are and they want to reinforce the conclusion they have already

:44:23.:44:28.

reached. As the last few weeks of the campaign have meals, the level

:44:29.:44:33.

of activity and engagement has soared. I am not surprised by the

:44:34.:44:42.

turnout, people want to participate. This was one of a series of debates

:44:43.:44:48.

organised by a local newspaper. We had to engage, to see what the level

:44:49.:44:53.

of interest would be, and these events raked across Tayside, they

:44:54.:45:04.

have been delayed. -- great. But other people as always will have the

:45:05.:45:13.

final say. I have two people with migraine or the campaign very well.

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-- with me. What have you been seeing on the doorsteps? We are

:45:24.:45:29.

speaking to the people in Dundee. They will be voting and the only

:45:30.:45:38.

poll matters is on the day itself. Dundee is changing. Massively for

:45:39.:45:47.

the future. We have the lifescience industry and they have heard about

:45:48.:45:54.

the risks. All of these things are putting doubt. I was on the

:45:55.:46:02.

doorsteps today, speaking to people, and I had a conversation that

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started like most do, and a tear was running. She was very worried about

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what this meant. The Scottish National Party have had numerous

:46:25.:46:26.

occasions to answer some of the most pressing questions and still we do

:46:27.:46:36.

not have some answers. Polls are around the corner. We have had this

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unveiling of the timetable of new powers. Will that affect the vote

:46:43.:46:50.

for Yes? We have got the same table but we do not seem to have a bus. --

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got the timetable. Nobody is fooled by this. We are speaking to people

:47:03.:47:11.

as well. After recall we, the good stickers on the windows. Dundee is

:47:12.:47:19.

definitely a Yes city. Better Together want to frighten people.

:47:20.:47:22.

Actually, things are not that fantastic at the moment. We want

:47:23.:47:27.

independence because we want things to be great. The people of Scotland

:47:28.:47:34.

will make the correct decision for our country. That is what Better

:47:35.:47:42.

Together are not dating. He is fighting for the Labour Party

:47:43.:47:44.

against the Scottish National Party. Our campaign is broadbased. All of

:47:45.:47:54.

these decisions that he was talking about will be made by the people of

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Scotland. It could be any party. Two opposing viewpoints. A lot of

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tension. It is becoming an agonising time for voters. In the days leading

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up to the vote on September the 18th, we've been examining key areas

:48:22.:48:23.

in the battle for your vote. Tonight, our environment

:48:24.:48:25.

correspondent, David Miller, looks at what independence could mean for

:48:26.:48:27.

our electricity bills, and the renewable energy industry. Power

:48:28.:48:39.

lines have become battle lines. Huge investment has happened in Scotland

:48:40.:48:43.

and much of that has gone into the renewable energy industry. Also,

:48:44.:48:48.

investment in the oval networks that we rely on. -- other. The big

:48:49.:48:57.

question is who would pay for that in the event of independence. The

:48:58.:49:05.

cost of supporting these energy projects as she by people across the

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United Kingdom. Opponents of independency that would not happen

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after Yes. The danger, we would no longer have the single market. All

:49:18.:49:27.

of the things that are added on to bills. Yes campaigners argue it is

:49:28.:49:39.

the much greater cost of supporting these plans in England that would

:49:40.:49:45.

drive up the bills. We would have to subsidise England as Wales, England

:49:46.:49:53.

want to invest in Hinkley C. That would not happen in an independent

:49:54.:49:59.

Scotland. The goal for politicians is to keep the lights on and bills

:50:00.:50:07.

down. Also, tackling climate change but cutting greenhouse gas

:50:08.:50:17.

emissions. These days, most of Scotland's power is generated by the

:50:18.:50:23.

renewable sector energy is catching up. Both sides agree that the

:50:24.:50:29.

survival of a single electricity market across Britain after

:50:30.:50:35.

independence would be Vettel. -- vital. But they disagree on if that

:50:36.:50:43.

would happen. This is a debate about the power of Scotland, who needs it

:50:44.:50:45.

and to his forehead. Joining me to discuss the campaign

:50:46.:51:00.

so far - from the viewpoint of two of Scotland's leading newspapers -

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are two of their political editors, Magnus Gardham of the Herald and

:51:04.:51:06.

David Clegg of the Daily Record. David - the debate has been

:51:07.:51:08.

a long and slow burner and perhaps not the first thing yur

:51:09.:51:11.

readers turned to, do you now detect Absolutely. We had a 24 page

:51:12.:51:26.

supplement. We have been talking about the referendum for a long

:51:27.:51:32.

time, and in the last few weeks it has been all that people want to

:51:33.:51:37.

know about. Everyone wants to know exactly what the issues will be.

:51:38.:51:42.

What it will mean for the future. What it will mean for the politics,

:51:43.:51:48.

the economy, the future. And you ready? -- agree? It has been an

:51:49.:52:00.

extraordinarily day-to-day. David Cameron, Ed Miliband, they have

:52:01.:52:02.

abandoned Prime Minister's Questions. It is so close. People

:52:03.:52:08.

who have not been engaging up until the last couple of weeks on a

:52:09.:52:15.

completely immersed. I was in my local pub, and the kind of

:52:16.:52:20.

discussion that I thought was going to lead to fistycuffs. That would

:52:21.:52:29.

not have happened six months ago. People are truly engaged.

:52:30.:52:33.

Extraordinary. Our thanks style articles? -- Are things still as

:52:34.:52:55.

close? We have released a new poll. 53 no, 47 Yes. It is too close for

:52:56.:53:03.

me to want to give you a prediction. I think two possible scenarios. This

:53:04.:53:11.

scenario which no are hoping for, it has got very close, that Yes had

:53:12.:53:18.

taken the lead but now it is moving back towards no. Also, a second

:53:19.:53:30.

possible scenario, a quiet confidence in the Yes campaign. They

:53:31.:53:33.

have been very restrained over the last couple of days. Quiet than you

:53:34.:53:48.

would have expected. Possibly a sign that private polls CV could be a

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hit. -- say they could be ahead. I think the most important thing will

:54:01.:54:05.

have been George Osborne's decision to veto a currency union. We do not

:54:06.:54:12.

know what it has achieved yet. That is a big moment in the history of

:54:13.:54:18.

the campaign. I think the most recent pivotal moment was the second

:54:19.:54:27.

leaders debate. That reenergised the Yes campaign. They have come so

:54:28.:54:38.

strongly. Very interesting. We all agree on that. Thank you.

:54:39.:54:48.

Exports are a hugely important part of Scotland's balance sheet.

:54:49.:54:50.

From Scottish Salmon to Aberdeen Angus, we have some huge

:54:51.:54:52.

But do companies feel that independence would boost or

:54:53.:54:56.

Our economics correspondent Colletta Smith has been finding out.

:54:57.:55:08.

Pinpointing the correct market can take a lot of work. This company has

:55:09.:55:17.

a tunnel of just short of ?1 million, and 80% of the clothes

:55:18.:55:26.

remake are sent across the board. We exported to 17 countries. Japan,

:55:27.:55:39.

Korea, Australia. Also I made it up. -- America. Scotland Week get a lift

:55:40.:55:46.

from the extra government support, exporting is big business and in

:55:47.:55:50.

2012 of the exported goods from Scotland were what a total of ?26

:55:51.:55:56.

billion. Since then, the value of exports has been doing. -- growing.

:55:57.:56:14.

From twee to tartan... Textiles is a big selling point. And this woman

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IDs that independence could boost the overall economy. -- agrees. Some

:56:19.:56:29.

of the technical abilities are being lost and be able to offer that to

:56:30.:56:34.

customers. This is a business opportunity and for Scotland. Every

:56:35.:56:39.

day, thousands of Scottish products are sent to customers across the

:56:40.:56:45.

planet. The level of exports is very important. But real disagreement

:56:46.:56:51.

about what Scottish independence would help or hinder the seal of the

:56:52.:57:03.

Scottish goods. The idea of keeping dry in the outdoors is important and

:57:04.:57:06.

that is how this cycling company markets itself. We have a Scottish

:57:07.:57:17.

identity. Scotland is held with affection across the world. This

:57:18.:57:25.

company think this export business could be harmed by independence.

:57:26.:57:32.

They have the time over ?20 billion, and membership of the European Union

:57:33.:57:38.

is the biggest discussion point. Even if it is for six or 12 months,

:57:39.:57:45.

business does not work. We would be forced to be lucky certain

:57:46.:57:57.

operations. -- relocate. The idea of being made in Scotland matters for

:57:58.:58:01.

most export companies. That does not mean the ugly on Scotland should be

:58:02.:58:06.

stitched to the United Kingdom or not. -- agree. It is a very big deal

:58:07.:58:19.

in the referendum campaign so we will have all of the analysis. Well

:58:20.:58:28.

the visit of the Westminster party we does backfire? Find out at ten

:58:29.:58:37.

o'clock? Let's rejoin Brian Taylor. Another day of developments. Any

:58:38.:58:45.

that were influential? It was a remarkable day, and the remarkable

:58:46.:58:50.

programme. One thing stood out for me. Coming from the city of Dundee.

:58:51.:59:02.

One woman said it would go to the wire. I think that is true. People

:59:03.:59:06.

are intellectually engaged. Emotionally attached. All of these

:59:07.:59:15.

people will use the reader of emotions when they make up your

:59:16.:59:26.

mind. -- use a range of emotions when they make up their mind. We'll

:59:27.:59:31.

be people reflect the doubts from the union or go with the

:59:32.:59:37.

reassurances from Yes? Bet is entirely up to the people. We go to

:59:38.:59:52.

the polls a week tomorrow. And that's Reporting Scotland. Our next

:59:53.:59:55.

main bulletin is just after the ten o'clock news. Until then, from

:59:56.:59:57.

everyone on the team - right across the country - have a very good

:59:58.:59:58.

evening.

:59:59.:00:00.

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