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In the south, airports closed, trains rearranged and chaos on the | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
roads. Have we really learned anything about how to deal with | :01:27. | :01:37. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2303 seconds | :01:37. | :40:00. | |
Anderson's will come. Were name is Peter Henley. What did you do in | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
the big blizzard with planes cancelled, buses re-routed and | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
traffic misery? Was the South any better prepared this time than in | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
previous years? We will talk about that in a moment. We will also hear | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
about government plans to change the way the probation service works | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
and Emma Vardy sees how far she can get bartering in Oxford. | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
Let's first meet the two politicians. The new parliamentary | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
candidate for Oxford self. Richard -- Richard Drax is the MP for | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
Dorset South. Through this snowy weather which will continue next | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
week, you used to be a teacher? What do you think about teachers | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
closing schools last Friday? A lot of parents having to look after | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
people. It is difficult for parents. As teachers we recognise that, but | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
it is right that schools can make the decisions for their own local | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
circumstances. As to what is best for the children and the staff. | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
There were places where it really was dangerous. Small village | :41:10. | :41:17. | |
schools were you should not have people driving, or simply not safe. | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
This wasn't just an excuse to go home early? The fact that it was | :41:21. | :41:29. | |
Friday had nothing to do with it. Some people had exams. You are not | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
a big fan of health and safety are you Richard? No, but common sense I | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
am a good fan of. I suspect most teachers make a good decision. On | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Friday I was at a school in Weymouth that remained open. Good | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
on them. All of the children were there and having a lovely day. | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
you think we were better prepared? All the evidence shows that we are | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
better prepared across the country. There is no doubt. I agree with | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
that. Oxfordshire in particular has been much more prepared than in | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
2011. More schools will have stayed open by the time the snow has | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
completely passed. Can I pay tribute to those who have been out | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
there all night working hard to keep roads and everything else | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
clear. They deserve our thanks. Let's hope that Dunkirk spirit | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
keeps going. Earlier this month, Chris Grayling | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
announced his plans for a shake-up of the probation service. He is | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
suggesting high risk cases will continue to be supervised and the | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
public sector, but charities and private firms could take over | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
probation work on a payment by results bases. | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
We have one straightforward goal, to make sure we reduce the level of | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
reoffending. We have a situation at the moment where almost half the | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
people who go to prison reoffend. I want to make sure we break the | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
cycle that goes round the system of people going to prison coming out, | :43:00. | :43:07. | |
going back and on and on. If is outsourcing the answer? It is not | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
simply out sourcing. It is capturing the best of the private | :43:11. | :43:17. | |
and voluntary sectors. The private sector is good at preventing risk | :43:17. | :43:24. | |
and the voluntary sector has good skills that mentoring. This is | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
about getting the best of all of those, working together to bring | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
down rates of reoffending. probation officers' union has been | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
critical of those plans. With me is Keith Bennett he confronted the | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
minister on Thursday. He put your points to him. Also joined by Clare | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
Solano from women's we stumble also do work with ex-offenders. You are | :43:50. | :43:57. | |
a charity? We are not for profit enterprise. Tell me what it is that | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
you do that you think makes a difference? We work closely with | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
probation and have done for the last four years. We provide | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
interventions to support women, because it is gender focus support | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
that we provide. We provide training and coaching, 1-1 support | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
and hand-held support out in the community. Does it make a | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
difference that it is gender- specific? Women working with women? | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
Absolutely. We have identified that the meets women go through are | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
different to men. The vast majority of the women we work with have a | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
history of domestic violence or substance misuse. As such, we need | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
to give them specific support. that is one clever idea you have | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
come up with. How about payment by results? I you keen on that Queen - | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
-? We already work on that sort of model. We are working with | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
probation and one of the prime contract as with regard to that so | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
we are used to that model. hasn't worked so well with the work | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
programme, has it? I think what is important is to look at the work | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
programme and look at the lessons learnt from that. Moving forward, | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
if there is a PV our model, it then there needs to be something | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
substantial in place to ensure that smaller organisations in the third | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
sector are not put under unnecessary financial constraint. | :45:28. | :45:36. | |
Keith Bennett, misguided, you say, but risky? It is risky. I think | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
probation from its inception has managed risks in a professional | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
manner. We assess risk and we manage people who commit these | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
crimes to make sure that level of risk is reduced and we aim to | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
reduce reoffending. What is wrong with what Clare is doing? There is | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
nothing wrong. We are delighted in Hampshire to be working, and | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
throughout the country, it to be working with other agencies to get | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
the work done and make sure that society is safe. Our concern is | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
that there is little evidence behind proposals to back up the | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
suggestion that we need to break up an organisation which has won a | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
Gold Award for excellence in 2011. It is recognised by this government | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
and previous governments. What we do is excellent, professional, we | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
assess risk and manage risk in the most difficult of circumstances. | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
is not necessarily working, is it? That is the problem with the way | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
this has been presented. Grayling are conflated the argument. He said, | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
quite rightly in that the small amount of evidence provided the, | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
that a large amount of people reoffending of renal -- released | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
after short sentences. Less than 12 months sentences. They specifically | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
are not supervised by anybody. My argument would be definitely in the | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
Times of austerity, where we have to make cuts, we are contributing 2 | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
billion towards the coffers, but if you invest in probation now, we | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
know we have the best reoffending rate so invest in probation, give | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
those that would have been put on a short-term sentenced to probation, | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
we can supervise them and act as a cheaper rate than prisons or | :47:26. | :47:32. | |
anybody else. You take payment by results? Yes, because if we don't | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
do the job we are doing then clearly we come under scrutiny and | :47:35. | :47:42. | |
changes have to be made. Is there a danger of the accountability being | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
lost because nobody is sure whether it is by the probation service or | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
voluntary organisations? I think the proposal is clear. It says | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
high-risk offenders stay in probation. But that is a small | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
minority. 50,000 out of 300,000. is important to remember that what | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
probation do is a key service. The way they do what they do is | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
fantastic, but the consultation paper has suggested there needs to | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
be a system in place to ensure that risk is managed. We have worked | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
within the community for a number of years with offenders. We | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
understand the nature of risk and how that has to be managed and | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
there has to be open communication. If the government is going to go | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
forward it is about ensuring channels are clear up with | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
providers and ensuring that we work collaboratively with probation | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
Trust. Let's ask least two over here how they think it is going. | :48:37. | :48:47. | |
Chris Grayling's idea. Obviously a huge problem. But we have seen at | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
the Olympics big private companies giving problems. It is an | :48:51. | :48:57. | |
experiment, isn't it. It is not. Well in so that it has not been | :48:57. | :49:04. | |
tried before. We have to tackle reoffending and I take the. That | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
short-term prisoners are Beagrie offenders. But reoffending is still | :49:08. | :49:14. | |
far too high so it has to be a team effort. It is taking away the | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
responsibility. No, it is a team effort bringing in all sectors to | :49:19. | :49:27. | |
tackle the problem. There has been an Airborne Initiative set up in | :49:27. | :49:35. | |
Dartmoor. It is working. It is absolutely extraordinary. I think | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
we have to be careful because there will always be examples of where it | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
works in isolated areas. What worries me is that it is being | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
rolled out across the country. It is an experiment, I am a scientist, | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
you take a sample and see if it works across a large enough area | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
that it matters statistically, but you should not do something this | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
radical without decent evidence in place that it will work. I think | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
the word that organisation does, Clare, is fantastic. It is locally- | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
based and it does work. But what worries me is your level of | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
providers, the small ones based in the community, because this is a | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
complex issue and will take a whole community to solve it, are going to | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
be frozen out because they cannot read bits and everything that goes | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
with that. In the end, what we will seek his massive organisations | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
taking this on and I am worried and sceptical that it is going to work | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
and I am worried that we will end up spending more money giving it to | :50:36. | :50:42. | |
be private sector enterprises and it might not work. Richard Drax? De | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
you share those concerns from the Conservative point of view? Yes. I | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
am naturally cautious on this. It is a risky step we are taking, but | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
the situation is such an has gone on for so long that I think we | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
should try and do something different because the reoffending | :50:58. | :51:04. | |
is unacceptable. The cost is unacceptable. If we can somehow, | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
with all the resources we have got and there are many excellent | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
organisations, it teamed up with the many excellent resources and | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
Cup this. Then we will achieve the end. This is the concern we have. | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
We work it successfully with women's wisdom in Southampton. | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
Grayling mentioned the Peterborough example. The problem with that is | :51:28. | :51:34. | |
we are not due to get the results from bat until 2014. It is a | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
massive risk and we are putting the public at risk by fragmenting the | :51:39. | :51:45. | |
probation service. As far as we have said, job deal | :51:45. | :51:51. | |
has been rolled out across Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex and Kent. | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
Effectively smaller organisations have already been working with | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
those probation trust in those areas. So if we want to look to see | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
whether it can work, we know it can work. We get fantastic results | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
because we are looking at offending path ways. Supporting someone threw | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
the whole journey. Through the gates, supporting housing needs, | :52:14. | :52:20. | |
substance misuse needs but working in collaboration with trusts. | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
Experiment or not, let us hope it works. | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
Difficult times can lead to people and businesses finding innovative | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
ways around their financial problems. Increase the economic | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
crisis has prompted communities to begin bartering. That is something | :52:37. | :52:44. | |
that is making a come -- making a comeback in this country. Allowing | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
companies to swap goods and services. This traditional currency | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
overrated? We send our reporter to find out. | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
The challenge of today is to do away with money and credit cards, | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
but by the end of it to have gathered a few items into this | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
basket. I am starting off with nothing. All I have to give his | :53:05. | :53:11. | |
myself and my time. I have come to a supermarket in Oxford that is a | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
little bit different and will let me volunteer in exchange for a few | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
goods to kick-start our day exploring the old tradition of | :53:19. | :53:26. | |
bartering. This supermarket already runs a | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
scheme where people swap their time in exchange for money or food. I am | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
taking things a step further and have struck a deal to work in | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
return for some goods. If I can get tutor Paul all of the drinks | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
forward. What do you think about people exchanging goods instead of | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
many? I think it is great. If you get a Porsche we can split the | :53:50. | :53:57. | |
money! I think I am getting them hang of this. Time to get paid. | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
Instead of an hourly rate, I have learnt this. Now we have something | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
to barter with it is off to find other people willing to negotiate. | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
I know this isn't the normal way you would do business, but just for | :54:11. | :54:17. | |
today will that work for you? With some cooking sauces? Drove a source | :54:17. | :54:24. | |
in and we will call it a deal. Good doing business with you. Filling up | :54:24. | :54:31. | |
nicely. I will give you the hooter. It looks good to me. Thank you very | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
much. There are people who do this on a | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
bigger scale. Schemes have been set up to help businesses bartered | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
goods and services. Barter card says it now handles 6000 bartering | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
transactions per month. We allow people to swap their goods | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
and services for things that they need within their business or, | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
perhaps, in their normal lives. Businesses can conserve their cash | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
and make exchanges was in the bartered card system building up a | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
form of credit. What are the advantages? It allows | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
you to do things that maybe in this day and age you can't do in the | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
cash economy. One of the first things that goes is training or | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
advertising. If you can use your goods and services to pay for those | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
things then you can make progress when people in the cash economy | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
might be struggling. The idea of creating alternative forms of | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
credit is something some towns and cities are doing like the Midhurst | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
Town. They locals only currency created to stimulate the town's | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
economy. Back in Oxford I found a restaurant | :55:42. | :55:48. | |
where the owner will take customers crockery in exchange for sausages. | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
I realise it is a tricky market. Going out for a meal is a luxury so | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
I have said we need fantastic teapots in the restaurant and I | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
will swap them for sausages. There are you ready to negotiate? I think | :56:01. | :56:07. | |
we are. This chap could be tricky to use in the restaurant. Five | :56:07. | :56:14. | |
sausages, five cupcakes. That is a deal. Good work. | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
Well, we will not doing too badly, but I think it is time to try and | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
trade this lot up for something a bit bigger. | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
That looks ideal. Could you let it go in return for some great produce | :56:28. | :56:36. | |
to take home with you? It's a bit of fun, yes, go on I will go for it. | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
Do we have a deal? Yes, OK. Thank you. | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
While we are unlikely to see bartering replacing financial | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
transactions, in tough economic times it has proved a viable way of | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
businesses trading with one another to gain advantages and for me, I | :56:55. | :57:02. | |
have ended up with this baby. Not a bad day's work. | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
A bicycle is a good thing to have been Oxford. It is going to a good | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
cause in the end. Labour, what if everybody did this? Well, they are | :57:12. | :57:18. | |
not going to, are they? It started of thousands of years ago and we | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
then invented money to get away from doing this. It is time | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
consuming. What I really liked about that was that you saw she was | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
having conversations with people. It was bringing the community | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
together. At the same time, these other schemes stimulate the local | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
economy and there is an environmental side to this. My | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
party has said for a very long time that we like to push re-using and | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
not just recycling. This is more of that idea. I don't think it will | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
replace many though, do you? Probably not because it is a big | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
effort. But for business is struggling, if this is a way of | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
getting rid of extra tables in a restaurant or a few extra haircuts, | :58:04. | :58:13. | |
or is it like a builder taking cash? Is it a bit of a Dodge? | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
a little bit like Del Boy in one respect. How will you monitor what | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
is going on because I believe tax has to be paid? The company barter | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
card are doing the VAT so it is difficult to assess the value of | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
everything received. I cannot see this replacing the traditional | :58:34. | :58:40. | |
method of buying things, but it is great. When tough times hit, | :58:40. | :58:48. | |
bartering becomes much more relevant. Companies have to be a | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
lot more on their toes, haven't they? You must be saying that in | :58:52. | :58:58. | |
Dorset South? Absolutely. People are becoming very enterprising and | :58:58. | :59:03. | |
it is a wonderful thing about the human spirit. That said, when it | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
comes to tax we have to be careful. You don't want to stop the scheme | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
that I think is good for the community. HMRC has bigger fish to | :59:12. | :59:21. | |
prior -- bigger fish to fry. different is it is Starbucks? | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
different! Extraordinarily different. It is a little bit | :59:24. | :59:32. | |
different. One way of bartering, you could do today is in the House | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
of Commons and I could do one day here. I can think of a few changes | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
I would suggest. A were regular round-up of the week | :59:41. | :59:51. | |
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Crowd saucing is the latest way to fund business ideas like this | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
waterproof map. David over 10 fund his backers on the internet. We can | :59:59. | :00:06. | |
be really proud of this invention. A Reading chocolate company has | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
done the same after being rejected by the banks. | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
Also left disappointed, a marine conservation charities criticised | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
government protection zones which included none in the Solent or Isle | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
of Wight. The slow boat from China - shipping | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
companies told captains to take up to a week longer to save fuel. If | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
that brings down supermarket prices, John Denham would gee-up. The Tesco | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
big price drop campaign, for every two items that dropped in price, | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
three went up. The Private Member's Bill he | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
introduced would force supermarkets to release price data so comparison | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
websites can tell us if two for one of us are really any good. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
Buy one get one free. And you get Richard who used to be a reporter | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
but isn't any more. I am not free anymore either. Certainly not. In | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
this economy where people really are struggling, is the answer going | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
to be all about finding new ways of doing things? Crowd sourcing in | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
order to get your business back? I think we can't blame the | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
recession for everything. During a recession we find that people can | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
bring innovation to what they do. I think there are issues with some | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
older style businesses who have yet to come up to speed with a modern | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
world. Is that about resource in? I think there are things the | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
government can do. Making sure they are lending to small businesses. | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
Vince Cable has been pushing back for a long time. Also ensuring | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
there are schemes allowing people to catch up. Also, broadband access. | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
There are parts of this area who have big issues of broadband access. | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
We can't expect small business to use the internet without that. | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
Quickly, we need trim -- traditional communities and | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
traditional shops it be kept going? Of course we do. People have to | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
think way out of their boxes. Some local libraries are now run by | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
local people. This would have been unheard of 10 years ago. We are now | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
having to rethink things. Both of you, thank you for coming | :02:27. | :02:36. | |
in through the snow. Our pleasure. Thank you to both of my guests. | :02:36. | :02:41. |