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Welcome to the Sunday Politics, coming to you live from Edinburgh. | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
Terrorists who use the name Islamic State have carried out | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
their threat to murder the British aid worker, David Haines. | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
They released a video late last night, showing a masked man | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
beheading Mr Haines, who was taken captive in Syria 18 months ago. | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
The jihadist group have already beheaded two American journalists. | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
Now it's threatening the life of a second British hostage. | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil. | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
As we speak he's chairing a meeting of the Cabinet's COBRA | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
President Obama said the US stood shoulder to shoulder | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
Alex Salmond says Scotland "stands on the cusp of history" as | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
he predicts a historic and substantial victory in | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
As the latest polls show the two sides neck and neck, | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
I'll ask Yes campaigner and socialist Tommy Sheridan about his | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
And after last week's last-minute interventions from Gordon Brown | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and big business, I'll ask | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
pro-unionist George Galloway whether it's enough to win over waverers. | :01:46. | :02:00. | |
step closer back to Parliament. Is it a lame-duck administration? | :02:01. | :02:12. | |
Late last night, as most folk were preparing for bed, news broke that | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
Islamic State extremists had carried out their threat to murder the | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
The group released a video, similar to the ones in which two American | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
journalists were decapitated, showing a masked man apparently | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
beheading Mr Haines who was taken captive in Syria last year. | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
The terrorist, who has a southern British accent, | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
also threatened the life of a second hostage from the UK | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
Mr Haines is the third Westerner to be killed | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
His family have paid tribute to his humanitarian work; they say he | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil, and said | :02:42. | :02:48. | |
his heart went out to Mr Haines family, who had shown extraordinary | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
Mr Cameron went on to say, "We will do everything in our power | :02:52. | :03:01. | |
to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
Mr Haines was born in England and brought up in Scotland. | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond condemned the killing on the Marr | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Well, it's an act of unspeakable barbarism that we have seen. | :03:13. | :03:26. | |
Obviously our condolences go to the family members of David Haynes who | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
have borne this with such fortitude in recent months -- David | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
Alex Salmond was also asked whether he supported military action | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
Haines there is no reason to believe whatsoever that China or Russia or | :03:42. | :03:53. | |
any country will see their will to deal with this barbarism. There is a | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
will for effective, international, legal action but it must come in | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
that fashion, and I would urge that to be a consideration to develop a | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
collective response to what is a threat to humanity. | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
Our security correspondent Gordon Corera joins me now | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
Gordon, as we speak, the Cobra emergency meeting is meeting yet | :04:12. | :04:23. | |
again. It meets a lot these days. I would suggest that the options | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
facing this committee and Mr Cameron are pretty limited. That's right. I | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
think they are extremely limited. They have been all along in these | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
hostage situations. We know, for instance, that British government | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
policy is not to pay ransom is to kidnappers. Other Europeans states | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
are thought to have done so to get hostages released, and also not to | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
make substantive policy concessions to the groups, so while there might | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
be contact, there won't be a lot of options left. We know the US in the | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
past has looked at rescue missions and in July on operation to free the | :05:01. | :05:09. | |
hostages, landing at the oil facility in Syria but finding no one | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
there. If you look at the options, they are not great. That is the | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
difficult situation which Cobra will have been discussing the last hour. | :05:17. | :05:25. | |
Does this make it more likely, because it might have the direction | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
the government was going in any way, that we join with the Americans in | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
perhaps the regional allies in air strikes against Islamic State, not | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
just in Iraq, but also in Syria We heard from President Obama outlining | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
his strategy against Islamic State last week when he talked about | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
building a coalition, about authorising air strikes. And | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
training troops. We are still waiting to hear what exact role the | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
UK will play in that. We know it will play a role because it has been | :05:58. | :06:07. | |
arming the fishmonger forces but the question is, will it actually | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
conduct military strikes in Iraq -- arming the passion are there. We | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
have not got a clear answer from government and that is something | :06:18. | :06:28. | |
where they are ours to discuss what was around the table. It's possible | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
we might learn some more today as a result of the Cobra meeting, but I | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
think the government will be wanting to not be seen to suddenly rushed to | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
a completely different policy as a result of one incident, however | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
terrible it is. Whether it hardens their reserve -- resolved to play | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
more active role in the coalition, that's possible, but we have to wait | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
see to get the detail. -- wait and see. What the whole country would | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
like to see would be British and American special forces going in and | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
getting these guys. I think that would unite the nation. But that is | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
very difficult, isn't it? It is As you saw with a rescue mission a few | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
months ago, the problem is getting actionable intelligence on the | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
ground at a particular moment. The theory is that the group of | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
kidnappers are moving the hostages may be even every or few days, so | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
you need intelligence and quickly and then you need to be able to get | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
the team onto the ground into that time frame. That is clearly a | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
possibility and something they will be looking at, but it certainly | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
challenging, particularly when you have a group like this operating | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
within its own state, effectively, and knowing that other people are | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
looking very hard for it and doing everything they can to hide. Gordon, | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
thank you very much. Clegg dropped everything and headed | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
to Scotland when a poll last Sunday gave the YES vote its first ever | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
lead in this prolonged referendum If their reaction looked | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
like panic, that's because it was. Until last weekend, | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
though the polls had been narrowing, the consensus was still that NO | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
would carry the day. The new consensus is that | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
it's too close to call. If we look back at the beginning of | :08:09. | :08:22. | |
the year, public opinion in Scotland was fairly settled. The no campaign | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
had a commanding lead across the opinion polls, excluding the | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
undecided voters. At one point, at the end of last year, an average of | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
63% backed the no campaign and only 37% supported a yes vote. As we move | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
into 2014 and up to this week, you can see a clear trend emerging as | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
the lead for the no campaign gets narrower and narrower and the | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
average of the most recent polls has the contest hanging in the balance. | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
There was a poll a week ago that put the Yes campaign in the lead for the | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
first time, 51% against 49%, but that lead was not reflected in the | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
other polls last week. For polls were published last night, one by | :09:03. | :09:12. | |
Salvation, for the macro-2 campaign -- Better Together campaign, and | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
there was another that gave a one percentage point different. ICM have | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
the yes campaign back in the lead at 54% and the no campaign at 46%, but | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
their sample size was 705 Scottish adults, smaller than usual. Another | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
suggests that the contest remains on a knife edge with 49.4% against | :09:34. | :09:44. | |
50.6%. When fed into the poll of polls the figures average out with | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
yes at 49% and polls -- no at 5 %. But some people think 18% are | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
undecided, and it is how they vote gets -- when they get to the polling | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
booths that could make all the difference. | :09:59. | :09:59. | |
campaigner and Respect Party MP George Galloway. | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Big business, big oil, big banks, the | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
Tories, the Orange order, all against Scottish independence. You | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
sure you are on right side? Yes because the interests of working | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
people are in staying together. This is a troubled moment in a marriage, | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
a very long marriage, in which some good things and bad things have been | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
achieved together. And there is no doubt that the crockery is being | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
thrown around the house of the minute. But I believe that the | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
underlying interests of working people are on working on the | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
relationship rather than divorce. I have been divorced. It's a very | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
messy, acrimonious, bitter affair and it's particularly bad for the | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
children will stop that's why I am here. You talk about working people, | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
and particularly Scottish working people, they seem to have concluded | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
that the social democracy they want to create cannot now be done in a UK | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
context. Why should they not have a shot of going it alone? Because the | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
opposite will happen. Separation will cause a race to the bottom in | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
taxation. Alex Salmond has already announced he will cut the taxes on | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
companies, corporation tax, down to 3% hello whatever it is in the rest | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
of these islands. And business will only be attracted to come here, | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
country of 5 million people on if there is low regulation, low public | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
expenditure, low levels of taxation for them will stop you cannot have | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
Scandinavian social democracy on Texan levels of taxation. The | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
British government, as will be, the rest of the UK, they will race Alex | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
Salmond to the bottom. If he cuts it by three, they will cut it by four. | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
And so on. So whether some people cannot see it clearly yet or not, | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
the interests of the working people on both sides of the border would be | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
gravely damaged by separation. Let's take the interest of the working | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
people. As you know, as well as anyone, the coalition is in | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
fermenting both a series of cuts and reforms in welfare, and labour, | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
Westminster Labour, has only limited plans to reverse any of that. Surely | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
if you want to preserve the welfare state as it is, independence is the | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
way to do it. For the reasons I just explain, I don't believe that. But | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
Ed Miliband will be along in a minute. He will be along in May The | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
polls indicate... They say he is only four or 5%, that is the | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
average. Like the referendum, the next general election could be nip | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
and tuck. I don't, myself, think that the time of David Cameron as | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
Prime Minister is for much longer. I think there will be a Labour | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
government in the spring and the Labour government in London and a | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
stronger Scottish Parliament, super Devo Max, that is now on the table. | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
That is the best arrangement of people in the country. But the | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
people of Scotland surely cannot base a decision on independence on | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
your feeling that Labour might win the next general election. It is my | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
feeling. When the Tories were beaten on the bedroom tax last week in the | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
house, it was written all over the faces of the government side not | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
only that they were headed for defeat, but probably a massive fishy | :13:20. | :13:29. | |
-- Fisher. I think the race to the bottom that I have proper size will | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
mean that the welfare state will be a distant memory quite soon. The | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
cuts and the run on the Scottish economy here in Edinburgh, the | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
financial services industry, that will be gravely damage. The Ministry | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
of Defence jobs in Scotland decimated, probably ended, more or | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
less. It will be a time of cuts and austerity, maybe super austerity in | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
an independent Scotland. You mentioned defence. What about | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
nuclear weapons? The Tories and Labour will keep them. You are | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
against them. Surely the only way to be rid of them in Scotland is by | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
independence. But you are not rid of them by telling them down the river. | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
The danger would be the same -- telling them down the river. The | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
danger would be the same. Nuclear radiation does not respect Alex | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
Salmond's national boundaries. They would be committed to immediately | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
joining NATO, which is bristling with nuclear weapons and is what -- | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
involved in wars across the Atlantic. So anyone looking for a | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
peace option will have to elect a government in Britain as a whole | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
that will get rid of nuclear weapons and get out of military | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
entanglements. We are in one again now. I have been up the whole night, | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
till 5am, dealing with some of the consequences and implications of the | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
grave international matter that you opened the show with. David Haines | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
and the fate of the hostage still in their hands. There are many other | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
hostages as well. And there are many people dying who are neither British | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
nor American. I have, somehow, been drawn into this matter. And it | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
showed me, again, that the world is interdependent. It is absolutely | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
riven with division and hatred, and this is the worst possible time to | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
be opting out of the world to set up a small mini-state on the promises | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
of Alex Salmond of social democracy funded by Texan taxes. Let's, for | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
the sake of the next question, assume that everything you have told | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
us is true. Why is your side squandering a 20 point lead? | :15:53. | :16:03. | |
I will have a great deal to say about that, whatever the result | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
This is very much a Scottish Labour project, is that not a condemnation | :16:12. | :16:18. | |
of Scottish Labour? It is potentially on its deathbed. The | :16:19. | :16:26. | |
country breaking up, the principal responsibility will be on them. And | :16:27. | :16:41. | |
the pitiful, absolutely pitiful job that has been made of defending a | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
300-year-old relationship in this island by the Scottish Labour | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
leadership is really terrible for me to behold, even though I'm no longer | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
one of them. I don't know how they are going to get out of this | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
deathbed. Do you agree that if this referendum is lost by your side it | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
will be because traditional working-class Labour voters, | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
particularly in the west of Scotland, have abundant Labour and | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
decided to vote for independence? Without a doubt, the number of | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
Labour voters intending to vote yes is disturbingly high. Even just | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
months ago during the European Parliament elections, swathes of | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
people who didn't vote SNP will be voting yes on Thursday. That is a | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
grave squandering of a great legacy of Scottish Labour history, which | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
history will decree as unforgivable. If Labour is to get | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
out of its deathbed in Scotland it will have to become Labour again. | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
Real Labour again. I am ready to help them with that. My goodness, | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
they need help with it. I wonder if it isn't just a failure of Labour in | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
Scotland. People all over Britain are increasingly fed up with the | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
Westminster system, but it is only the Scots who currently have the | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
chance to break free from it, so why shouldn't they? That is exactly | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
right. They see a parliament of expenses cheats led by Lord snooty | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
and the Bullingdon club elite, carrying through austerity for many | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
but not for themselves and they are repulsed by it. They need change, | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
but you can go backwards and call it change but it will be worse than the | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
situation you have now. A lot of Scottish people don't buy that. It | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
is a big gamble. If I were poised to put my family's life savings on the | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
roulette table in Las Vegas, my wife would not be scaremongering if she | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
pointed out the potential consequences if I'd lost. She would | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
not be negative by telling me that is my children's money I am risking. | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
If I jumped off this roof it would change my point of view, but it | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
would be worse than the point of view I have now. There is another | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
issue here because the Scots are being asked to gamble on the | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
Westminster parties, which they are already suspicious of, of delivering | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
home rule. Alistair Darling could not even tell me if Ed Balls had | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
signed off on more income tax powers for Scotland, so that is a gamble | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
for the Scots. I feel the British state has had such a shake out of | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
all this that they would be beyond idiots, they would be insane now to | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
risk all of this flaring up again because whatever happens, if we win | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
on Thursday, it is going to be narrowly. It will be a severe | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
fissure in Scotland. A great deal of unpleasantness that we are already | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
aware of. That could turn but we're still. It would be dicing with | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
death, playing with fire, to let Scottish people down after Thursday | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
if we narrowly win. If you narrowly win, and if there are moves to this | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
home rule Mr Brown has been talking about, England hasn't spoken yet on | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
this. Whilst England would probably not want to stop -- stop Scotland | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
getting this, they would say, what about us? It could delay the whole | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
procedure. It is necessary, you are right. England should have home | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
rule, and I screamed at Scottish Labour MPs going into the vote to | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
introduce tuition fees in England. I told them this was a constitutional | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
monstrosity, as well as a crime against young people in England It | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
was risking everything. We are led by idiots. Our leaders are not James | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
Bonds, they are Austin powers. We need to change the leadership, not | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
rip up a 300-year-old marriage. Thank you. | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
It's been one of the longest and hardest fought political campaigns | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
in history, with Alex Salmond firing the starting gun on the referendum | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
Adam's been stitching together the key moments of the campaign | :21:35. | :21:45. | |
It is the other thing drawing people to the Scottish parliament, the new | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
great tapestry of Scotland. It is the story of battles won and lost, | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
Scottish moments, British moments, famous Scots, and not so famous | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
Scots. There is even a panel dedicated to the rise of the SNP. | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
Alex Salmond's majority in the elections in 2011 made the | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
referendum inevitable. It became reality when he and David Cameron | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
did a deal in Edinburgh one year later. The Scottish Government set | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
out its plans for independence in this book, just a wish list to some, | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
a sacred text to others. This White Paper is the most detailed | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
improvements that any people have ever been offered in the world as a | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
basis for becoming an independent country. The no campaign, called | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
Better Together, united the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems under the | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
leadership of Alistair Darling. Then the Scottish people were bombarded | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
with two years of photo opportunities and a lot of | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
campaigning. For the no campaign, Jim Murphy went on tour but took a | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
break when he was egged and his events were often hijacked by yes | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
campaigners who were accused of being intimidating. In turn, they | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
accused the no campaign of using scare tactics. Things heated up when | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
the TV dinner -- during the TV debate. Fever pitch was reached one | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
week ago when one poll suggested the yes campaign was in the lead for the | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
first time. The three main Westminster leaders ditched PMQs to | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
head north. I think people can feel it is like a general election, that | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
you make a decision and five years later you can make another decision | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
if you are fed up with the Tories, give them a kick... This is totally | :23:47. | :23:55. | |
different. And Labour shelved not quite 100 MPs onto the train, Alex | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
Salmond took a helicopter instead. This is about the formation of the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
NHS. A big theme of the yes campaign is that changes to the NHS in Linden | :24:05. | :24:14. | |
-- in England would lead to privatisation in Scotland. Alex | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
Salmond's plan to share the pound was trashed by big names. There were | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
other big question is, what would happen to military hardware like | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
Trident based on the Clyde? Would an independent Scotland be able to join | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
the EU? And how much oil was left underneath the North Sea? | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
This panel is about famous Scots, we have Annie Lennox, Stephen Hendry, | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
Sean Connery. I cannot see Gordon Brown. These are big changes we are | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
proposing to strengthen the Scottish parliament, but at the same time to | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
stay as part of the UK. A regular on the campaign, he was front and | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
centre when things got close, unveiling a timetable for more | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
devolution. People wondered whether Ed Miliband was able to reach the | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
parts of Scotland Labour leader should reach, and at Westminster | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
some Tories pondered whether David Cameron could stay as prime minister | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
if there was a yes vote. This tapestry is nonpartisan so it is a | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
good place to get away from it all but it is crystallising voters' | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
views. Look at what we have contributed to Great Britain, and I | :25:32. | :25:40. | |
am British and I hope to be staying British. This is what people from | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
Scotland have done, taken to the rest of the world in many cases and | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
I think I am going to vote yes. I am so inspired by it. It has certainly | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
inspired me to have a go at stitching. How long do you think it | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
would take to do the whole thing? I would say to put aside maybe 30 | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
hours of stitching. Maybe by the time I am done, we will know more | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
about how the fabric of the nation might be changing. | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
And I've been joined by yes campaigner and convenor | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
of Scotland's Solidarity socialist party, Tommy Sheridan. | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
An economy dependent on oil, the Queen as head of state, membership | :26:15. | :26:26. | |
of the world 's premier nuclear alliance of capitalist nations is | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
that the socialist Scotland you are fighting for? No, that is the SNP's | :26:32. | :26:41. | |
prospectus and they are entitled to put forward their vision, but it is | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
not mine or that of the majority of Scotland. We will find out in two | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
years. On Thursday we are not voting for a political party, we are voting | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
for our freedom as a country. That is why people are going to vote yes | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
on Thursday. A lot of people are voting for what you call freedom | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
because they think it will be more Scotland. You have already got free | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
prescriptions, no tuition fees, free care for the elderly. You might not | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
in future have that if public spending is overdependent on the | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
price of oil, over which you have no control. We don't have to worry | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
about one single resource, we already have 20% of the fishing | :27:27. | :27:33. | |
stock in Europe. We already have 25% of the wind, wave and solar power | :27:34. | :27:43. | |
generation. We, as an independent country, have huge resources, | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
natural resources but also people resources. We have five first-class | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
universities, food and beverages industry which is the envy of the | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
world. We have the ability to produce the resources on the | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
revenues that won't just maintain the health service and education but | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
it will develop health and education. I don't want to stand | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
still, I want to redistribute wealth. But all of the projections | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
of public spending for an independent Scotland show that to | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
keep spending at the current level you need a strong price of oil and | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
you are dependent on this commodity which goes up and down and sideways. | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
That is a gamble. I have got to laugh because I have been told the | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
most pessimistic is that in 40 years the oil is running out, panic | :28:37. | :28:44. | |
stations! If you were told by the BBC you could only guarantee | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
employment for the next 40 years you would be over the moon. I am talking | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
about in the next five. You need 50% of your revenues to come from oil to | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
continue spending and that is not a guarantee. Of course it is, the | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
minimum survival of the oil is 0 years. Please get your viewers to go | :29:04. | :29:14. | |
onto the Internet and look at the website called oilandgas.com. The | :29:15. | :29:26. | |
West Coast has 100 years of oil to be extracted. It hasn't been done | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
because in 1981 Michael Heseltine said we cannot extract the oil | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
because we have Trident going up and down there. Let's get rid of Trident | :29:38. | :29:46. | |
and extract the oil. You are a trot right, why have you failed to learn | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
his famous dictum, socialism in one country is impossible. Revolutions | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
and change are not just single event. What will happen here on | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
Thursday is a democratic revolution. The people are fed up of being | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
patronised and lied to by this mob in Westminster who have used and | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
abused us for far too long. The smaller people now have a voice | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
What about socialism in one country? Mr Trotsky warned you | :30:18. | :30:26. | |
against that. The no campaign represents the past. The yes | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
campaign represents the future. That is the truth of the matter. What we | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
are going to do in an independent Scotland is tackle inequality and a | :30:36. | :30:43. | |
scourge of low pay. If we vote no on Thursday, there will be more low pay | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
on Friday, more poverty and food banks on Friday. I'm not going to be | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
lectured by these big banks, you vote less -- yes and we will leave | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
the country! The food banks will be the ones closing. If you got your | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
way, for the type of Scotland you would like to see, state control of | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
business, nationalisation of the Manx, the roads to Carlisle will be | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
clogged with people Yes, hoping to come into Scotland, | :31:17. | :31:26. | |
because in their hearts, the Scottish people know that England | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
want to see the people having the bottle. The working class people in | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
Liverpool, Newcastle, outside of London, they are saying good on the | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
jocks that are taking on big business. When we are independent | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
and investing in social housing the people of England will say, we can | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
do that as well, and they will rediscover the radical tradition. In | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
wanting to build socialism in one country, it really means you are | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
fighting for the few, rather than the many. You are bailing out of the | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
socialist Battle for Britain. You think it will be easier to make it | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
work. Think globally, act locally and we will build socialism in | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
Scotland but I wanted across the world. I won my brothers and sisters | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
in England and Wales to be encouraged by what we do so they can | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
reject the Westminster consensus as well -- I want. We had the three | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
Stooges coming up to London, three millionaires united on one thing, | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
austerity. Doesn't matter whether Ed Miliband wins the next election he | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
said he would stick to the story spending cuts. Why vote for Ed | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
Miliband? You wouldn't trust him to run a bath, not a country. Let's see | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
if this is realistic, this great socialist vision. At the last | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Scottish election, the Socialist party got 8000 votes. The | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
Conservatives got 30 times more votes. Where is the appetite in | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
Scotland for your Marxist ideology question we might not win it. But do | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
you know what, see in two years time. See when we have the Scottish | :33:01. | :33:16. | |
general election. You won't -- you are saying you might win and you | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
went to the Holyrood election and got 8000 Pope -- votes. The SNP won | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
a democratic election and then won the 2011 election and you know why | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
they won? Because they picked up the clothes that the Labour Party has | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
thrown away. They picked up the close of social democracy and | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
protecting the health service was -- service. There are people in the SNP | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
who believe in public ownership and people in the SNP who believe in the | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
NHS should be written into a constitution as never for sale | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
people in the the SNP that think the Royal mail should return to public | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
ownership. That is there in black and white. Do you agree with George | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
Galloway that this is potentially a crisis for Scottish Labour? Scottish | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
Labour is finished. They are absolutely finished. George is right | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
in that. Scottish Labour is finished. The irony of ironies is, | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
Labour in Scotland has more chance of recovery in an independent | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
Scotland that they have in a no vote. Labour in Scotland in an | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
independent country will have to rediscover the traditions of Keir | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
Hardie, the ideas of Jimmy Maxon, because right now, they are to the | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
right of the SNP as a political party. I understand the socialist | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
vision, but it is where the appetite is. And you look at the independence | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
people in Scotland. One of your colleagues, Brian Souter, a man who | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
fought against the appeal -- repeal of homosexual rights in Scotland. | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
Another of your allies would seem to be Rupert Murdoch, the man who | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
engineered your downfall. You say he engineered your downfall, but I m | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
still here and his newspaper has closed. Whether it Rupert Murdoch, | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
Brian Souter, or any other millionaire supporting independence, | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
I couldn't care less. This boat on Thursday is not about millionaires, | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
it is about the millions. -- this vote. We will not be abused any | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
young -- longer. Would you rather not have their support? I couldn't | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
care about the support. You know who is supporting the union. It is the | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
unions of the big businesses, the BNP, UKIP, they are the ones who | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
support it. You are giving me a stray that has wandered into the | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
campaign and are you seriously going to argue with me that the | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
establishment isn't united to try and save the union? That is what | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
they are trying to be. The BBC, you have been a disgrace in your | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
coverage of the campaign. Not you personally. You don't have editorial | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
control. The BBC coverage, generally, has been a disgrace and | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
the people. Oil and gas, go and look at that, why is that not feature. | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
Why is the idea of 100 years of oil not featured in the campaign. | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
Because the BBC does not want to see it. Are you getting in your excuses | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
if you lose? You better be kidding. Is this the face of somebody looking | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
to lose. We are going to win, 6 /40. Absolutely. There is a momentum that | :36:24. | :36:31. | |
you guys are not seeing on the working-class housing estates. | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
Working class people are fed up being taken for granted fed up with | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
the lives of people dragging us into tax cuts, bedroom tax for the poor. | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
They will have power on Thursday, and they will use it and vote for | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
freedom. Are you happy with the way the BBC has treated you today? So | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
far, yes. I have still not been offered a Coffey, but that might | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
happen. That is an obvious example of our bias. Tommy, we will speak to | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
you later with George Galloway. Welcome to Sunday Politics South ` | :37:03. | :37:19. | |
my name's Peter Henley. On today's show the town th`t's | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
starting to have second thotghts Thame in Oxfordshire voted xes to | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
its neighbourhood plan sixtden months ago, but now that | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
the planning applications are starting to go in, some reshdents | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
are saying they didn't realhse quite First, | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
let's meet the three politicians who'll be with me for the dtration | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
this week ` all of them candidates for their respective parties | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
at next year's general election Judith Bunting is standing | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
for the Liberal Democrats in Newbury, Royston Smith | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
for the Conservatives in Southampton Itchen and Chris Oxlade | :37:54. | :38:01. | |
for the Labour party in Crawley We?re not quite | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
at manifesto time and, after the coalition, promises don't h`ve quite | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
the same sort of feel that they do Can each of you identify ond | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
priority, one USP possibly that you as candidates will be | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
presenting to the electoratd? One thing is standing up | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
for local people. I think you're all going | :38:23. | :38:24. | |
to be doing that. At the moment with the Fire Service | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
there is huge cuts across West Sussex | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
and is it actually standing up for local people and explaining to the | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
county council or those in power Labour is still saying they want to | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
reduce the deficit and a surplus possibly if they were in governmentt | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
and yet you are going to go into the election saying the Fire Service | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
cuts should not have happendd ` we So rather than spending millions | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
of pounds on theatres, it is saving people's lives by increasing | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
the funding to the Fire Service They are going to cut | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
the theatre budget, presumably. If people prioritise and people can | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
find savings and then they can put them into things that they think are | :39:04. | :39:10. | |
important I don't have a problem with that, but what we hear all the | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
time is we understand the atsterity measures in general | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
but we don't accept them But you know I have no problem with | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
someone who says that they think that one thing is more important | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
than another and there are going to take one thing from one budget to | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
another and that is fair enough I Think what this highlights hs a real | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
problem in rural areas, which is that the way that government funding | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
is allocated is biased towards bigger urban areas so the bhg cities | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
get something like 52% more which I will be speaking about at | :39:45. | :39:53. | |
conference and will be camp`igning for in Westminster if I get there, | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
then that would alleviate this kind of problem where you have to | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
make that horrible choice. Is that part of the issue | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
because this funding goes b`ck to when Labour was in power as well, | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
will you be able to say to people as Labour we will spend mord | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
and then be able deliver? Labour is not going to | :40:10. | :40:11. | |
borrow or spend more. It is quite clear, as I said before, | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
it is about priority. It is local priorities | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
that people want. And you don't mind those people | :40:18. | :40:18. | |
go to the theatres in Crawldy.. The only theatre in West Sussex | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
funded by the County Council was ghven ?1.5 | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
million two years ago, the cuts for That?s interesting that you have a | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
concrete example of where you would spend the money differently and you | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
think that might make a difference. There are all unique and thdy are | :40:34. | :40:49. | |
all very good selling Points, but I am concentrating on being local not | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
because I am obsessed with ht, as some people might think I al, but | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
because people in Southampton, which is in my experience and | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
in my years of living here It is not | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
like the big cities elsewhere. Everyone knows everyone and they | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
like the idea of having somdone that they know, that they have grown up | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
with, that they have seen operating They like the idea | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
of having someone local. You will all argue you are local | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
but surely people are looking for someone with a broader vision than | :41:21. | :41:31. | |
just saying I am the local person? One of the things I'm going to be | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
fighting on is education because while we have been | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
in coalition and the Ministdr for Some of the most socially ddmocratic | :41:40. | :41:41. | |
policies Which has put something | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
like 4 billion quid At the same time | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
as getting a good strong economy. We need that money locally | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
because our council, our local authority has had quite | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
a bad performance across thd entire On | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
the doorstep people will sax Liberal Democrats, David Laws in particular, | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
should have sorted that out? Are you going to say | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
the Conservative s stopped xou Standards are not | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
what they should be. West Berkshire's got the worst | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
attainment gap in the entird UK we were picked out, horriblx, | :42:21. | :42:30. | |
by Michael Wilshaw ` head of Ofsted last year for this horrible fact | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
and we need to be working together Do you think | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
the pupil premium is working? Schools in West Sussex, | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
it is hard to find where thdy are It is that honesty ? especi`lly now | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
with the academies and Free Schools ? to find out where that money is | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
going and making sure it is being spent in the right way, but the big | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
problem we have in education across west Sussex is the number of people | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
and number of kids in a class. We had to the Free School closing | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
Crawley to the cost of ?300,000 to West Sussex which was | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
promised to be given back and never appeared and that has now come out | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
of our dedicated schools gr`nt. The Conservative answer | :43:12. | :43:22. | |
seems to be Free Schools? Michael Gove seemed to talk all | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
about that and the curricultm? Free Schools | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
and academies giving people choice. I am happy to campaign on that ` | :43:28. | :43:28. | |
we have got one now in Southampton that is applying to be a Frde School | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
and that will be I am sure There are gaps in the market | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
and they can be identified and a Free School can bridgd those | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
gaps and I think they are rdally, Going back to | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
the pupil premium it is a great example of shroud waving from Labour | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
councillors in Southampton about grant cuts but they don't talk | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
about that huge investment hnto Which has been identified | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
as a Liberal Democrat thing. It is a coalition government and we | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
are implementing those policies I am not worried who comes tp with | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
them, I am worried that thex have the right policies and what I don't | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
like is hearing people shrotd waving about their budget cuts but then on | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
the other hand ignoring that extra I don't know the details | :44:11. | :44:24. | |
in Southampton but... OK but in general it is a | :44:25. | :44:34. | |
difficult line to tread, isn't it? Complaining that the record | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
of the coalition here is not enough but also saying that we would not | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
spend more money. Again it is about priorities and | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
investing that money and spdnding Other county councillors on all | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
sides of the political spectrum have brought up the same issues | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
about priorities and spending. And it is making sure that we | :44:50. | :44:52. | |
actually hit those prioritids which Do you think that your ideas are | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
getting a good response frol people? In each case can you see | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
their eyes light up when you talk about the subject area | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
which you think they care about It is what they care | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
about not what we care about. And you think people really care | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
about the local bit, I didn't dream this up myself, | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
this is people who said that. You will know Peter last tile | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
a 9,500 majority down to 200. There something in that | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
about a local candidate, a strong local candidate, | :45:20. | :45:21. | |
so I am happy to pursue that. I am very glad to proclaim lyself | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
as local as well. I moved into the area two ydars ago | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
and we have a glorious MP who lives It certainly is, | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
and he is local to the constituency It is going to be a competition | :45:32. | :45:43. | |
isn't it? Who is the local`ist, | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
if that is a word. "More people planning and ldss | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
politician planning". That's what Communities Secretary | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
Eric Pickles promised us when he announced the launch of | :45:52. | :45:53. | |
Neighbourhood Plans four ye`rs ago. Since then thousands of towns and | :45:54. | :45:55. | |
villages across the country have started to develop one ` setting out | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
where residents want new hotses Thame in Oxfordshire was ond | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
of the first to complete thdirs and they held a referendum to ddcide yes | :46:02. | :46:14. | |
or no to it ` but 16 months on, not everyone in the town is happy with | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
it, as our Oxfordshire reporter Thame in South Oxfordshire, | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
home to 11,000 people but familiar to millions more | :46:22. | :46:30. | |
around the world as Corston in In real life | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
Thame, the knives are not for each It came into force last Julx | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
but there are already calls to It is all to do with this p`tch | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
of land. We will get to that moment | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
but first a flashback. The people of Thame overwhelmingly | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
voted to adopt their neighbourhood plan and therefore everything | :46:51. | :47:03. | |
in it in a referendum. It was the second place | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
in the country to do it To the letter actually they had | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
their period of informed consultation producing | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
their draft plan and when it hits the formal process and came to the | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
District Council and local planning authority, yes, the examiner when he | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
looked at the plans said th`t their process had been exemplary | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
and their conservation had gone over But in a new plot twist, | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
some residents seem to have changed We stood here at this point in time | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
and as you can see from this plan they are going to build a htge line | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
of terraced houses down the side of the park which is down there and | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
they're going to cuts down that tree over there put | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
a nice big crescent over thdre. A campaign has been launched to see | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
it taken out of the plan altogether after an application was put in | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
for 45 homes here. There are a lot of our petitioners, | :48:01. | :48:02. | |
the people who have signed the petition against this | :48:03. | :48:05. | |
development, a lot of them voted yes They are saying that they dhd not | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
understand exactly the consdquences of the neighbourhood plan | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
when it was being drawn up. Essentially the neighbourhood plan | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
gave planning permission to pieces of land in Thame that are completely | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
unsuitable for development that they So what of those who voted | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
in the referendum ` Maybe it's the right approach but | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
I'm not happy about The Elms one. It is a very good park in the centre | :48:28. | :48:37. | |
of town, they shouldn't build there. Do you mind me asking, | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
because it was in the neighbourhood A lot of people didn't notice it | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
and neither did I. You wouldn't believe that they | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
would build on that area. Nobody can use that land, wd can?t | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
see it and we can?t walk on it and it is just there for the frdsh air | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
and the trees and think it would be a good place to build houses for the | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
elderly because it is near centre. I think it is unfortunate using | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
the green space that we havd. I think especially | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
so close to the school the children I think they need to look | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
into it a bit more, take our opinions into consideration | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
maybe look somewhere else. Now, there is an argument to say | :49:19. | :49:20. | |
if you?re going to go and vote on These plans were online, it does | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
say 45 houses, it is quite clear. They should have made the effort but | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
it is my belief that there should be a cooling`off period between | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
the point at which the town plan is passed and the point at which | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
developing work starts or planning applications are put in and that | :49:37. | :49:38. | |
gives a period of time people can make more informed choices because | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
other things come to light during that period of time and we've seen a | :49:43. | :49:44. | |
lot of the information come to light that was not available | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
during the voting period th`t is now available, to understand wh`t | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
the full consequences Backers of neighbourhood pl`ns say | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
you cannot do it bit by bit, You have to look at the plan | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
as a whole. And the vote has to be whether I | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
support the whole plan or not. You can't piecemeal take it apart | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
because if you take one bit out then it has implications | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
for other parts of the plan. As we are being reminded thhs week | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
above all others, that is Its outcome is about as fin`l | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
as the solutions meted out You are a fan | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
of referendums aren't you? As with Scotland, | :50:20. | :50:28. | |
once the decision is taken `nd once It is a brutal business, a xes or a | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
no and then you're too sick to the decision as a whole, or do xou think | :50:35. | :50:43. | |
you could go back and revisht? There is a problem from the | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
neighbourhood plan from the start. We had one in Crawley which went to | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
a support forums and the forum said we don't want that type | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
of responsibility ? we don?t know exactly what the plans are or how | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
they are going to pan out and it seems to be that usual central | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
government coming out of thd localism act and it is great for | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
local communities, and actu`lly it is more centralisation of rdsources | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
and ideas rather than giving Forcing people to sign up to | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
something then they say we did not We are doing a local plan | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
in Southampton and that is going to process now | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
and that has been several rdsidents association have been involved | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
from the start`they are verx much I would be staggered if, | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
when they come to a referendum, they then voted for it | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
and then they later felt th`t it I would be staggered | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
if that happened but if it does then it is still a process which is open | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
for people to get involved hn. If there was not | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
the neighbourhood plan option they would have what they had before | :51:48. | :51:49. | |
and that would be someone coming along wanting to build some houses | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
in a field and having only the planning process and thdir | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
ability to object at that stage At least they get to ` very early | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
on ` decide how they want their area Because they know | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
that it has got to. But this idea of everybody being | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
in it together? Thame really felt like that | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
when they were voting for it It was the community making | :52:09. | :52:10. | |
the choices. How does having | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
a referendum actually sort the thing out so that everybody then | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
moves forward together? in West Berkshire we have | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
a consultation on development plans over the | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
summer, over the summer when people What we need is consultation that is | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
sensible and that people ard drawn I'm quite shocked that people did | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
not understand what was going on. The public are not councillors, they | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
are not as well`informed and it is for us to explain things to them so | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
they understand what is going on. It is being chaired | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
by a councillor and there are two or And resident groups, | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
you were saying. But you are opposing some of that, | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
the suggestions from West Bdrkshire I did not want to talk | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
about the Scottish referendtm but people say it is just one side | :53:05. | :53:16. | |
shouting at the other side. What we have in Newbury is | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
a huge site which could be developed It has been there forever, dverybody | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
is in favour of something h`ppening there, but somehow our council is | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
not managing to get that to a stage I don't understand what the | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
negotiations have been taking part in so they have put up greenfield | :53:33. | :53:41. | |
sites across the district. In this situation, | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
and there are nearly 3000 yds and less than 1000 no, it felt pretty | :53:45. | :53:46. | |
conclusive ` now people are saying I think everyone has touched on how | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
complicated not just the pl`nning process but anything to involve | :53:51. | :53:59. | |
councils is incredibly complicated. If you haven't got | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
a local plan or if you have got One of Labour's policies | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
is this right to grow. A good thing for Crawley, | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
I tell you. It will stop our neighbouring Tory | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
friends dumping housing projects on the side of Crawley so that we | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
can actually develop Crawlex It sounds like a charter for some | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
councils to come out and fall out If you look at what we're doing in | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
South Hampshire for example, where we are looking at housing ntmbers | :54:29. | :54:35. | |
right across South Hampshird, we know what we need and some of those | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
houses and a good number of those Southampton will take | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
a good number of houses because can build high and ht can | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
take more, same as Portsmouth. We are looking more | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
across the boundaries than trying to It is a yes and a no, but it is | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
also the right people at thd right We Lib Dems believe | :54:56. | :55:03. | |
in the local people and we want to Area | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
by area with proper consult`tion. You're talking about a colldction of | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
different councils, you?re saying Crawley sorting out the isstes with | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
its surrounding neighbours. There are always going | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
to be problems. We've seen that in Thame | :55:23. | :55:24. | |
when they have taken a decision and now they are not entirely sure | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
that is what they wanted. And you're always going to have that | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
because again it is looking at something generally and then | :55:32. | :55:33. | |
when it becomes specific people get a bit worried about it | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
and we see it all the time. I understand it, I fully understand | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
it, but dare I use the word NIMBYs ` We need more houses, | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
we need more affordable homds for people but we need people to be | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
a bit more pragmatic about ht. Now, | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
our regular roundup of the political Amid new royal baby talk, | :55:54. | :55:54. | |
Prince William visited Oxford. He was opening a ?21 million | :55:55. | :56:05. | |
building bringing together The new Energy Minister camd to see | :56:06. | :56:12. | |
a Chinese firm?s solar panels She denies Britain faces | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
an energy crisis. We're not going to have somd sort | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
of crisis I am happy to say. Ukrainian billionaire | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
Alexander Temerko disagrees. He wants to lay new underse` | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
connections to French nucle`r power stations but has been told | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
there is nowhere to plug`in. It is impossible to connect ` | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
a disaster for the country. A shortage of school meals saw some | :56:44. | :56:51. | |
Dorset schools sending out Now urgent talks about how to | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
deliver the free hot school meals. Is this school meals thing | :56:54. | :57:07. | |
properly considered? It seems it happened in a htrry | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
and here in Dorset we've got In West Berkshire | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
our schools are doing reallx well. We've got something | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
like 95% good delivery but ht has There has been a year since | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
the announcement so authorities have A lot of places without kitchens | :57:25. | :57:34. | |
outsourcing stuff, Chris? I think it has gone | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
through really quickly. I wholeheartedly support thd idea | :57:39. | :57:47. | |
but, when you look at West Sussex, they ripped out their kitchdns for | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
hot school meals about ten xears ago and trying to get the kit b`ck in ` | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
even though it is microwave`ble hot meals ? that roll`out for the | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
schools in particular, Some of the headteachers, | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
particularly around my neck of the woods, they have been having | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
trouble making sure the budgets .. In the long run you agree whth | :58:04. | :58:09. | |
the idea? Who can't agree with the idda | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
of kids having hot school dhnners? I grew up on it, | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
we were talking about it earlier, I am laughing Peter because normally | :58:16. | :58:17. | |
when anybody does anything the it is never being | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
done quickly enough. We have now got my colleagud | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
saying it is far too quick. Do schools needed disruption | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
at this moment? Headteachers who have got to deal | :58:29. | :58:30. | |
with new curriculum, they'vd had a fight with all this and you have | :58:31. | :58:32. | |
got to feel sorry for them? It is all in the planning | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
and the preparation. I don't suppose anyone in Dorset, | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
anyone involved, or the companies supplying the school meals hntended | :58:40. | :58:41. | |
for any of these things to happen but there are going to be some | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
teething problems and I would rather have a really good system that has | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
some teething problems than wait for months or years | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
for something to come in. I would rather get | :58:52. | :58:53. | |
on with it actually. If it is a good idea | :58:54. | :58:55. | |
we will embrace it. The announcement was in the summer ` | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
you've got the school holid`ys and I had a meeting at the | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
County Council, back in May it was, to decide about the contract and | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
who was actually going to rtn the Then they haven't been paying | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
attention ` it was announced this If you are in a County Council you | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
will know that the detail dhd not But they were not told how | :59:19. | :59:26. | |
it was going to happen. That is | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
for them to work out isn't ht? In | :59:32. | :59:33. | |
the end do you think it is something that parents will like and will it | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
be seen as a Lib Dem policy or why It was pushed through by thd | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
Lib Dems. It is something I will admit all | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
sides have supported along the way. That's the Sunday Politics | :59:44. | :59:47. | |
in the South, thanks to my guests Judith Bunting, | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
Royston Smith and Chris Oxl`de. Next week we'll be starting | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
our three weeks of party conference coveragd with | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
Labour ` and getting a sensd of what the Scottish referendum restlt, | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
whatever it is, means for us. Don't forget to keep up`to`date with | :00:03. | :00:04. | |
southern politics by reading my blog ` there's the address | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
at the bottom of the screen. The last time a sewer was built in | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
London was 150 years ago, otherwise we would have a dirty River Thames. | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
Andrew, back to you. Can | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
the No campaign still pull it off? And even if they do is the whole | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
of the UK now on the brink I'm joined now by John McTernan | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
former adviser to Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, Alex Bell, | :00:32. | :00:48. | |
former Head of Policy for the SNP and Lindsay McIntosh, the | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
Times Scottish Political Editor And I'm delighted that Tommy | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
and George have stayed too. No fighting has broken out either. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
Where No fighting has broken out either. | :01:00. | :01:08. | |
have three full days to go No fighting has broken out either. | :01:09. | :01:08. | |
polling day. What is the state of play? I think the poll of polls is | :01:09. | :01:16. | |
accurate. 49 and 51%. What is vital is to bring the undecided voters in, | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
and they properly have about 500,000. I think there are a lot of | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
undecided people. I think they know which way they are leaning, but they | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
haven't jumped. The hope of the no campaign is that they will go for | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
the status quo on Thursday. How do you assess the state of the campaign | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
now? The crucial thing is the big swing. The swing has come towards | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
yes, so will the momentum carry it over the line? I will think it does, | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
because it is an antiestablishment swell, and its people responding to | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
standard Western as the politicians and saying that they want a new way | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
-- Westminster politicians. I think that yes will sneak it. A referendum | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
can be more important than a general election, and the Yes campaign have | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
had the momentum. This was the week the momentum stopped. We started the | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
week looking as though yes were going into the lead and then it | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
stopped and most of the recent polls show a distinct lead for the no | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
campaign. A distinct lead? It is one or two points. It is six in one | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
poll, two in another, aiding another. The poll of polls is a good | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
way of measuring, and is it statistically Nick -- nip and tuck? | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
It is the week the momentum stopped. About a fifth of the electorate | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
That will be a quarter of the turnout have voted already, by | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
postal vote, and they are running very strongly towards no, so there | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
is a whole bank of votes there. The postal votes are skewed to the over | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
60s, and that is the demographic that the Yes campaign have had the | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
biggest trouble with. Absolutely, the Yes campaign faced a challenge | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
amongst the 16 and 18-year-olds and always based challenge with the | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
older voters. Trust me, I was the decision the day the civil servants | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
made it possible for the 16 to 18-year-olds to vote, and we said | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
there was a victory for the no campaign in that alone. The young | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
tend to be conservative by nature. I think again that to say that the | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
momentum has stopped when you had a 20 point lead, this is a referendum | :03:29. | :03:36. | |
whether people will speak and they will be heard. Except for the one | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
poll which needs a huge health warning because of the size of the | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
sample, the momentum is unquestionably all the way through | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
August is going in the direction of yes. It hasn't quite continue to get | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
to the 55/45 four yes that Alex Salmond thinks will be the result. I | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
would agree with John. This was the momentum stalled. We saw the three | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
leaders coming up, and that kept Alex Salmond off the front pages on | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
the television and we had a raft of economic warnings which, although | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
they were dismissed as scaremongering, they will have had a | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
lot of traction with voters. What does the no campaign have to do in | :04:16. | :04:23. | |
the final three days? It has to focus on the undecided, | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
relentlessly. It has to do stick to the question of risk and keep | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
pushing back on Alex Salmond to say it doesn't matter if the banks | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
leave, it will all be all right on the night. The huge question amongst | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
the undecided voters is about the economy. It is about jobs and | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
currency, about business. That risk is what will crystallise in the | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
ballot box on Thursday and that has to be the focus. What does the Yes | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
campaign have to do? It has to drive home that the swing to the Yes | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
campaign is motivated by people who want a different politics. They have | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
decided amongst themselves that they want to change Scotland. The | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
unfortunate thing is, even though the no campaign has had the chance | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
to put up after proposals, they have failed. The Scottish people want | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
their powers were a purpose and they say that only the Yes campaign can | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
deliver that. There will be two days of relentless campaigning from | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
today, Monday and Tuesday, then the media, the newspapers, including | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
your own, will come out with the final poll, the ones that will be | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
the closest to the day that the Scots actually go and vote. I think | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
we will see more polling this week, but what is interesting is the | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
extent to which the pollsters are picking up what is going on in the | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
street. We know we have a huge number of voters who have never | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
voted before and are not engage with politics, so what will they do? The | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
third candidate in the election if I can would in this way, are the | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
polls. They might have a lot of questions to answer on Friday | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
morning. We were talking earlier with George and Tommy about the | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
Labour Party's consequences in all of this. Gordon Brown, of course, | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
has had a bit of a second coming as a result of this referendum. I just | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
want to play a clip of Gordon Brown during the campaign and get a | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
reaction. And I say this to Alex Salmond himself. Up until today I am | :06:13. | :06:21. | |
outside front line politics. If he continues to peddle this deception, | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
that the Scottish Parliament under his leadership, and he cannot do | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
anything to improve the health service until he has a separate | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
state, then I will want to join Joe Hanlon want in and securing the | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
return of a Labour government as quickly as possible -- Johann | :06:40. | :06:47. | |
Lamont. That was seen by some people as Gordon Brown implying he might | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
stand for the Scottish Parliament. Whether it is yes or no, is Gordon | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
Brown the saviour of Scottish Labour? I did a double black the | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
other night -- double act with him the other night, and I must say he | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
was a big beast all over again. He crossed the stage Meli dealt with | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
the audience brilliantly. He has a certain presence, Gordon Brown, but | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
he would really have to reinvent himself quite considerably. He is | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
capable of doing, but the man who was the biographer of Jimmy Maxton, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
who pulled together the original red paper on Scotland, he would have to | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
be that Gordon Brown rather than the Gordon Brown of some more melancholy | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
events later. Tommy, you have both been critical of the state of the | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
Scottish Labour Party. Rather than looking to Gordon Brown, which might | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
be an interim solution, doesn't Scottish Labour have to find a new | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
generation of people to reignite it? What George and I are agreed on and | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
you have to remember this question of independence see us disagreeing | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
passionately, and in most other things we find ourselves in | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
agreement, one thing is clear, Scottish Labour is finished. They | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
have lost the heart and soul of Scotland. The fact that we are | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
discussing with four days to go an independence referendum that is neck | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
and neck, Labour have failed miserably, absolutely miserably | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
because they have given up everything they stood for. The SNP | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
has picked it up. They have just taken on the bank -- mantle of a | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
left of centre party and are picking up support. Gordon and the rest in | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
my opinion, they represent the past. The yes vote on the Yes campaign | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
represents the future. What do you say to that? There is nothing | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
socialist about an SNP that wants to cut business tax by 3% in the pan. | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
There is nothing socialist about an SNP destroying further education so | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
they can give middle-class people free education. The Labour Party is | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
alive and kicking. You can see if it is Gordon Brown, or Jim Murphy with | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
the 100 days tour. But I hesitate to use this word, but they are kind of | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
privatised from the Scottish Labour Party. They have rode their own | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
fallow. Jim Murphy was on the stump because official Scottish Labour did | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
not want him leading their campaign. Gordon Brown was, I think, kept off | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
the stage until it became so critical that he had to be brought | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
back. I agree with John, the SNP talks left but acts right. That is | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
before they get state powers. That is what is exciting about the | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
referendum, it's not about the SNP, it's about the people deciding. What | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
we have heard so far in the referendum campaign is that there is | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
a desperate yearning in the electorate for real politics, | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
purposeful politics and for the people to be represented. It is | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
probably to the eternal shame of labour that they gave up that role | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
and other people are now taking it upon themselves. How would you | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
assess the state of the Labour Party? The problem is that it was | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
demolished by the SNP in 2011 and what they should have done since | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
then and in other circumstances is take a real look within themselves | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
and brought forward new talent and policies and watch out what they | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
stood for. They've been unable to do that because they are locked in a | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
constitutional row. It is the plan of the Nationalists to fight the | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
first Scottish general election as an independent nation as a | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
nationalist party with its own programme. You don't all go your own | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
way. Why don't you do that? You have more on your main reason to be, so | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
why not go, left, right and centre question you are presuming you don't | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
go the one-way. I do not see the function of the SNP after the yes | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
vote. I think it is clear that there is an SNP under Nicola Sturgeon an | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
SNP which attracts votes from the left and that is the one for me | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Whether that is called the SNP or something else, I don't know. I | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
think the assumption that we are going into a mirror of old politics | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
in a new world is just fundamentally flawed. That is interesting. Let's | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
just bring in the English dimensional. In many ways, England | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
has not spoken in this referendum campaign. Whether it is yes or no, | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
it will, and to give you a flavour of what some in England might be | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
thinking was saying, here is a clip from John Redwood. We are fed up | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
with this lopsided devolution, this unfair devolution. Scotland gets | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
first-class Devolution, Wales gets second-class devolution and England | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
gets nothing. If Wales wants the same as us, they should have it and | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
then there would be commonality so we could discuss and decide in our | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
own countries, in our own assemblies in Parliament, all those things that | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
are devolved. George, it was clear that if Scotland voted yes for | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
independence it has huge implications for England than the | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
UK, but it's also clear particularly after Gordon Brown's intervention, | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
even if it is no, it has huge applications. You are, I suggest, | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
agreeing with John Redwood that there should be an English boys It | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
would be a step too far for me to agree with him -- English voice I | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
appreciate I might have gone out on a limb. He is the voice of Mars the | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
Balkan from Mars. My own constituents in Bradford are asking, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
what about us? All these things being done, all the extra mile is | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
being travel to Scotland, what about us? Labour would be well advised to | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
adjust quickly on this so that the John Redwood types do not steal the | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
show. England has yes to use -- yet to speak. It's interesting when you | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
hear a Labour backbencher in Scotland talk about a command paper. | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
He is not in government. Gordon Brown is going round Scotland | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
promising things and he has absolutely no chance of delivering | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
them. The MPs in England will say, hey, what are you talking about We | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
have never been discussed with that? We have not agreed with that. The | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
only way people in Scotland will get the powers they deserve is by voting | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
yes. Crystal ball time, Tommy, you think it is 60/40. I will stick with | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
it, because we have an unprecedented election. 97% of Scotland is | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
registered to vote. The working class will vote in numbers never | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
voted before. George? 55/45 for our side. And if there is a rogue poll, | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
the tek Levesley polled -- technically flawed poll, which | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
should not be published because it is so flawed, then we would be | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
stretching towards what I am predicting already. I think in the | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
last few days we will reach that. Come on. If the no campaign can get | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
the silent majority out, they will edge it. You think they will win, | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
but how much? They cannot give up in a second, a moment or a mile. It is | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
that close. It will be won by the passionate view. I will go for a | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
narrow yes victory. I'm the George, 53 or 54% in favour of Joe -- no. -- | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
I am with George. I will leave you to argue about that later. Thank you | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
for being with us on the special Sunday politics from Edinburgh. | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
That's all from us today in Scotland. | :14:11. | :14:11. | |
Don't forget the Daily Politics will have continuing coverage | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
of the referendum campaign all this week on BBC2 at midday. | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
On Thursday night Huw Edwards will be in Glasgow and I will be | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
in London to bring you live coverage of the results on BBC1 from 10. 0 pm | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
on a historic night for Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom. | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
And I'll be back next Sunday when we're live from the Labour | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
Unless, of course, the referendum result is so tumultuous even the | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :14:38. | :14:43. |