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Now on BBC News here's Maxine with The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
With me are former Treasury minister and corporate advisor, | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Angela Knight, and James Rampton, features editor at the Independent. | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
The Sunday Express leads with Storm Desmond and reports it has claimed | :00:24. | :00:33. | |
its first victim in London - a 90-year-old pensioner who reportedly | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
died after the gale force winds blew him into the side of a moving bus. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
The Observer says the Shadow Cabinet is bracing itself | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
for what MPs are calling a "revenge reshuffle", following Labour's | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
The Independent on Sunday also carries the claims, adding plans | :00:45. | :00:54. | |
And the Sunday Telegraph reports on a 'terrorist incident' | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
at Leytonstone Tube station after police tackle a knifeman who injured | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
three people while allegedly screaming 'This is for Syria'. | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
What would you like to start with? The Sunday Express and the killer | :01:09. | :01:22. | |
storm? Firstly, I am so sorry, I feel for that pensioner and his | :01:23. | :01:29. | |
family. Yesterday the winds were strong enough down here, let alone | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
in the North of England. Your conscience being buffeted around, to | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
keep your feet on the ground, if you are a bit frail, so a real tragedy | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
there. Some of the pictures in the newspapers today are pretty | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
impressive. You have water that has risen very quickly opt to the first | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
floor, waves, you know. This Israel Dagg the station staff. For a lot of | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
people it is not the first time as well. Absolutely. And it may come | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
quickly with a lot of wind and rain but it takes a long time for the | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
water to go down, the houses to dry and there is more rain forecast, | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
following on saturated ground so, yes, it is the same people and same | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
part of the country that had it, what, two, four years ago? These | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
awesome pictures again, quite frightening. I was speaking to some | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
people there, residents and shop owners and they said it was bad | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
enough last time but it has risen so fast this time. Since 2000 nine, the | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
last major time in this area -- 2009. But the floods have | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
overwhelmed those defences, so for the residents, they thought they | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
were safe, and now their homes have been destroyed again. Cumbria has | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
put out a call for extra doctors. 32 people have been marooned in a pub. | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
Worst places to be marooned! But not to sound too facetious, because it | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
is serious. And still, a man came on like a modern Bear growls, rescuing | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
people with his landowner, so extraordinary stories of heroism and | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
very frightening incidents in this flawed and it makes you think, with | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
the Paris conference coming on, is this another incident of global | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
warming, and the way that we deal with the world, because this will | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
change this town for ever -- a modern-day Bear Grylls. These | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
pictures here. Look at the size of that wave, it looks like it is | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
somewhere out at sea, rather than... This is Wales, of course. We | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
have been focusing on Cumbria but it has come down the Welsh course as | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
well. Pretty terrible in Ireland, too. Yes, and it was the severity. | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
This was a very severe storm, and certainly the amount of rain that | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
has fallen in such a short out of time. One report said they had had | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
in months's of rain in 24 hours, so this is the extreme conditions you | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
were speaking about, James. And we are in December, we have not even | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
got to spring, and spring tides, thinking of previous years. The | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
other aspect is which way the wind is blowing. It is coming from the | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
far south-west, and double figures there in terms of temperatures, so | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
we certainly have a climate change taking place. I think human spirit | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
is coming through as well? I love the story about this chap, calling | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
himself the modern-day Bear Grylls, rescuing many people from a flooded | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
car park in Carlisle. But you're right about the figures, eight | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
inches in the Cumbria and the monthly average is normally 3.4 so | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
it is no wonder the defences where overtopped with that incredible rush | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
of water coming so quickly, it is bound to overwhelm them. You cannot | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
do anything about it. It looks like we will be breaking the records on | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
this one. We did that three or four years before and it is quite | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
worrying because we do not know where we are going. No more records. | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
Now The Telegraph, this horrible incident at Leytonstone Tube with a | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
man attacking passengers on the platform? Not too far away from | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
where I live and like 6 million people go on the Tube everyday and | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
this is what terrorism is about, it terrorises you. Old people walking | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
past, people going to Christmas parties, people with children, 7pm | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
in the evening on Saturday before Christmas and this man allegedly | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
shouting, this is for Syria, running round slashing at slashing at people | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
at random with a machete, apparently. Very terrifying and the | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
good news is he was extremely quickly silenced by a Taser and he | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
was unable to inflict any more damage. It could have been much | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
worse. And the police who attended where Borough police who were not | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
armed and only had the Taser, so just showing you... The bravery is | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
extraordinary. They did a very good job. Many extraordinary things about | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
this as well. It was filmed, by a passenger, passer-by or whatever. I | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
am amazed someone would stand there filming it but in some respects at | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
least it gives a picture, because you know her so often after the | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
event, the police did this, the police did that, at least we have a | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
record taken at the time. The second thing is the phrase that some man, | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
shouted at the individual doing the shouted at the individual doing the | :06:50. | :07:01. | |
attacks, you ain't no Muslim, Bruv. And I think that tells us exactly | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
what is to be done, and that is that the Muslim community have to show | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
those in their community taking these extreme actions that this is | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
not what their religion, their faith, is all about. Let's look at | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
the Mail because it is also the headline there come on the front | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
page, and some pictures there. And you are right. It is extraordinary | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
when these happen and we see these pictures being taken. It was on | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Twitter within minutes, and some of it was very shocking so I would not | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
recommend people look at it with all the blood and things but the police | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
have also been asking people to send in their footage, so probably there | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
were more people filming it who have not made their footage public, so it | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
is extraordinary, you are right, Angela. It is usually all down to | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
what happened, various incidents, and I think Rodney King was the game | :07:51. | :07:58. | |
changer, filmed by someone from an upstairs window 20 odd years ago and | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
that is when people fought, actually, you know, you cannot get | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
away with things. People will be phoning things -- people thought. | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
With all the brutality in America, and if this man, you know, | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
apparently from this footage, the court him in the act. We even have | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
the picture of the person taking the pictures. A telling story for today. | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
Let's turn to politics. The Independent. Furious, hitting back | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
at Corbyn's smears. Angela? Absolutely. This is quite | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
extraordinary. Isn't it extraordinary all this retribution | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
and infighting is taking place. It does show many of the MPs and others | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
did not accept his leadership in the first instance but, even so, this is | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
pretty strong stuff. Inside the paper it tells us that there is an | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
intention for a 3 pronged purge, as it were. One of the whip's office | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
because they see that as being instrumental in not having been | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
prepared to whip for that vote we had earlier this week on bombing | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
Syria. And the very fact that the Labour whip's office pressed for a | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
free vote. They are also speaking about the organisation, and this is | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
actually pretty interesting stuff, because of course we are heading for | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
that boundary review of constituencies where a number of | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
constituencies, something like 60, I think, will go. Who has the small | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
constituencies ends a predominately the cities is actually Labour so | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
there is a real Lord Bath in there. The third part is about this action | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
plan -- a real bloodbath. The reshuffling of the Shadow Cabinet | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
and I suspect that will come first, frankly. James, what you think tells | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
us? Without sounding too pretentious I think it is disastrous for | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
democracy. What is swirling around inside the Labour Party, the various | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
wings of the party. Rumours are circulating, furiously denied, that | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
Corbyn was unwell, that he passed out stress in his office last month. | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
That is absolutely denied by Corbyn's office but it describes the | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
vitriol swirling around. I speak not as a Conservative supporter but I | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
think it is extremely fortuitous -- fortunate for David Cameron he is | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
confronted with an opposition fighting itself and not the Tories. | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
That is bad for democracy because the opposition should be fighting | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
the Government, not itself. Looking at the Observer, the Corbyn critics | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
fearing what you mentioned, there eventually shuffle. Slightly more | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
damage, then? I think it is inevitable. Some would say Jeremy | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
Corbyn has actually had quite a good week because they had that free vote | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
and then also at the Oldham West while action, that was won. I am not | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
sure I exactly take that view, I have to say, but I would pick up | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
what James said. Every political party will always have its | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
reshuffles, it's different views on issues and it will have a bit of | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
factional eyes Asian. This is extraordinary, though. This is | :11:20. | :11:32. | |
faction fighting -- factional eyes. What you require for a good | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
democracy is proper decent challenge otherwise legislation goes through | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
where the principle may be fine but there are checks and balances in | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
this world and we rely on them coming out through our democratic | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
process. Let's move to the other end of the story, and the bombing raids | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
as a result, hitting the oil fields. James, what do you make of the | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
result of the vote and then leading into the raids taking place, almost, | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
people fought, within minutes? Angela used to be a very highly | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
regarded MP and it was an extremely difficult position for all those | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
memos of Parliament, we spoke about this earlier. The most difficult | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
decision in your political career, to send British people to go and | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
fight and potentially lose their lives for their country so I do not | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
envy those making the decision and nor do I told condone the attacks | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
made on mainly Labour MPs, female Labour MPs, actually. However I | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
think, and I had a big argued with my daughter yesterday about this, I | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
think it is right to go into Syria. IS does not see any distinction. It | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
views its territory as a caliphate to go into Syria. IS does not see | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
any distinction. It views its territory as a caliphate saw in | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
their eyes thought very powerful. If we had been bombed, as Paris was, or | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
attacked, as Paris was, and we had asked for their help and they had | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
said no, that would have been terrible. I think standing shoulder | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
to shoulder with France is the right thing to do however it is very grave | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
and I think it is right Parliament took it so seriously. It was the | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
right thing to do. Two other points to add. The first is that this is | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
about going for the oilfields as well. If you take out the oil, you | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
take out a source of finance. Only one source. Yes, only one source. | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
The other thing to look at in this argument is Libya. We are not | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
dealing with an organisation that is just in one place, in Isis or Daesh | :13:32. | :13:39. | |
or whatever we should call it. It has different parts, different | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
communities and groups associated with it and it can reform and | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
regroup and of course Libya is another place which is not under | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
control and where we can see what we may deal with in Syria reforming in | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
a different way. It is particularly scary because there is this | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
suggestion that possibly two or more of the French terrorists came | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
through Libya, and snuck in the back door, if you like, through Greece, | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
and that is very worrying. If they are seeing a way in to attack Europe | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
that is incredibly scary, terrorism in its true form, terrorising us. It | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
says Tunisia has closed its border to Libya and then the US is warning | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
that the town, and I may pronounce this wrong, Ajdabiya, is under | :14:25. | :14:46. | |
threat... Let's end on a lighter note. Greenhouse gases will fall. | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
Not a lot lighter. There has not been the greatest of continuation of | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
economic recovery. OK in the UK but not in other countries. This article | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
speaks about, this time, greenhouse gases not rising at the same time as | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
economic activity, so that is a critical point. I think it also | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
brings to the fore part of the whole greenhouse gases debate and how we | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
deal with them that we have not properly focused on. Most people, I | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
am sure, do sit very much in the camp saying we do need to do | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
something about our carbon footprint, our emissions and all | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
that stuff. Let's keep our countries, our world, as clean as | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
possible. Secondly, people do not then talk enough, in my view, about | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
all the practicalities and costs of dealing with it. Because we all can | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
have a really good policy, and idea, and emotional belief in something, | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
but unless we have the practicalities we will never get to | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
the right solution and hopefully that is where they are going now. | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
Absolutely, I agree with that. It is also tied in with this fall of coal | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
consumption in China. China produces 30% of these harmful emissions and | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
as their economy is relatively faltering that is the issue. But if | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
we do not press on with other renewable sources of energy we will | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
never solve this problem. I think most people saw the pictures from | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
China over the past week or two with the smog. The error is just | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
terrible. If you have been there, people wearing the masks. That's | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
right and that is why China has no bot into this because their own | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
population is suffering but you cannot put in a renewable without a | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
back-up, usually, because a renewable by its very nature can be | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
infinite soul it is about getting to the practicalities of the | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
engineering issues. That fantastic idea of putting a wind power turbine | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
in the air, in a sort of giant zeppelin thing, but if they could, | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
you know, find that to make it work, to catch the very strong wind at a | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
higher level, a fantastic idea. You have to transmit the power, of | :17:02. | :17:09. | |
course. And then... My chemistry or level is not standing up, perhaps. | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
Physics! I'm sure it would be done through Wi-Fi are something like | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
that. Physics, yes, you're right. I probably should not be in charge of | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
that policy. I will let you go off-mac and work that one out but | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
thank you both of you for coming in to join as on The Papers -- Go Off | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
And Work That One Out. Time for a look at the weather with | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
Phil Avery. A bit of jollity, we will soon put a | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
stop to | :17:54. | :17:54. |